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No one wants to be rested, especially your captain and stuff. And it's that upper thing where you give someone else an opportunity. But like you said, someone needs to make that call for him. You watch Fran Renspo play and watch him play for Bristol, he's headfirst in things. You see someone do that , others follow it. And I think at the minute England don't have that presence in the back line that basically gets stuck into things and just others kind of go, if he's doing it, I'll follow him in. We end up with a line out and we sort of looked and thought who's gonna throw in and hunch Marler was like, yeah, I'll throw in because it was normally a loose head anyway throughout it an absolute pie they nick it and end up scoring loose the game we've got question from Kit and this one's mainly for you Robbo. What needs to change at Quinns to make them a force once again? Kit, I'm not sure when they were ever a force. I mean I was the only time they were force when Chris Robstail cheated in the uh We are here in Bilbao at the Samamez Stadium. It is the Investtech Champions Cup final weekend. And we being out here, we thought we'd have to record a pod. We did, yeah. The the road trip to Bill Bilbao, thanks to Jacob has, been absolutely epic. We've arrived with plenty of time to spare and we thought we've got to record an episode with Robbo because we bumped into him. For those who haven't seen the episode yet, we bumped into him uh whilst being in the beach in San Sebastian, didn't we rob? How good was that surfing? Uh the I mean the w aves. Anyone would think, right, that this a funny angle. It is a funny angle. They were massive, right, weren't they? Like a lot of people would have struggled out in that surf, but not us. It's like when we went past little kids in the pat h. Anyway, we're in the Investic uh lounge. Uh this is obviously where they'll be uh for the weekend for what is gonna be two cracking games at the weekend and we thought let's actually speak some rugby. We are long overdue a catch up because we've been on the road, we've been, you know, from here we've well c weame from here from Paris, from Cardiff, but on the road, we've had the final, those episodes were out, so we're pitched side for that after the game, an amazing game it was. So I thought we'd sit down after um the eventful week we've had, we can take a breath, relax, can keep sweating 'cause it's still thirty degrees. But we should do a QA and catch up on some of the news and rugby that's happened. One of one of the big news is that's coming out, there's a lot of chat that Maratogi is likely to miss the summer and he's gonna be rested. Now, when you look at that and you think about Lions tour and on the back of the the load that he's had, not only as an England player, but Saracens and Lions, there'll be a lot of oh, you're losing that experience. But one, it gives other people opportunities. You've got George Martin, who's now fit again, who's missed a bucket load of rugby so he can slot and you've got Oli Chesham who's doing a great job in terms of captaining um Leicester Tigers this season he could potentially come and and I'd love to see him maybe give them the opportunity to captain England but the big thing for me is we're not far out from a Wldor Cup. And' if youre gonna rest Marrow, this is probably the only window that you can do so, right, Robert? Yeah, I agree. And I think the other thing that people probably don't take into account is Marrow, he hasn't only played for these teams, he's captained them. So every team he's gone into, he's always had to be front and centre, he's had to have the energy. He can't you can't really shirk anything, you can't hide it, whether that be Lions with England, of course, unfortunately had the the loss of his mother, which would have taken a lot out of him. And then he goes back to post post-Eglandn stuff, goes back to Source and Monday and captains them. And I remember as when I was Queens and England captain at that stage where like say you've had a good campaign or bad campaign with England and you've been away from the club for a long time, you're one of the senior guys, you're the captain. The coaches expect you to be front and stage straight away. So you've got to be the energy again because obviously you're one of the experiences, the high enders, all that kind of stuff. And it does drain you. It does drain you. And I think for Mara, look, no one wants to be rested, you know. No one wants to be rested, especially if you're your captain and stuff. And it's that other thing where you give someone else an opportunity. But like you said, someone needs to make that call for him and say, you know what, this is the right thing for you, this is the right thing for England. And I personally think it's uh it's a great decision. I'm sure it's very hard. But for him, yeah, have a summer off, then he can have a good pre-season at the club. Like you said, with a World Cup coming up soon, it's just only real time to have a good pre-season. You know what it's like when you've been touring. You only have three or four weeks in pre-season. This he could probably have six or seven weeks. He can slowly get into it. I'm sure in his body he's got some knocks and niggles. But yeah, I think it's a a great decision and it'll be interesting how this summer tour goes with where the games are as well. When you you said there sorry I'm gonna butt in, but um obviously cat you Captain Quinns and England, how hard was it being going from 'cause England is a full on, you're in camp for eight weeks at a time, you're away from the club. har Hdow for you was managing that relationship? Because the club still goes on, there's still games happening, there's still training going on, but like we almost sort of detach yourselves from club. You still to contact the boys, but you try and almost take a step away and then you throw yourself back into it. How hard is that as captain to be able to 'cause obviously stuff goes on at clubs, people have like there's contracts going on, there's games, there's like losses, win losses. How hard was that as a captain to sort of be be there but not be there if you see what I mean? Yeah, it's tough. Um 'cause also like like you guys, you care so much about your clubs. We've all grown up in the clubs we played for and they mean a lot to us. So it whether they're going obviously if they're going well, it's brilliant. However if things are losing not going well, you you're always kind of drawn into it as well. So look, it is hard to separate yourself. But for me, I always found whatever happens, we played last game of a Six Nations in Autumn Campaign, whatever it is, on a Saturday. Hopefully it goes well. If it didn't, um, you have a couple of beers, whatever, Sunday, you get home, England bag goes away and you get your Queen's bag or your Leicester bag ready. And then Monday morning at eight o'clock or whatever, half eight, you're in the gym at your club and it doesn't stop. And I think often from the outside world we see we see players, we think they're robots, we don't see the emotional side, we don't see the drain on them and and almost like the Lencer side, the Irish side as well, they were very slow to this year, um and they're slowly built on the back of the lines and all that kind of stuff. And it does take a bit of time. And I remember as Quinn's captain as well, because of England, you want to give everything so Miss Quinn's as well. But every day's post it, well, I'd speak to some of the other leaders and be like, look, I'm drained. I need you to speak. I need you to lead. And just kind of step into the back a little bit. But it is hard because you have been away and the club, the coaches, expect a lot from you. Can can England afford to rest him against the Springboks? Yes. You do think that? I think for the World Cup is yes. Because if you think about it, I think in our deal world, after that Lions tour and how intense it was, a lot of the look at say the Ireland squad. We we said before on the on this pod that like France have won some like sixty percent of their um of the six nations coming after a Lions tour. Like the Irish players have played, they get filtered back into their squad to whereas England boys basically know they're supposed to be resting and stuff but they go in, play week three of the Prem all the way through Europe, you know, some of the autumn, the Lions boys came off the bench and were blended back in, but Marrow never got the opportunity. I think on reflection, you'd have probably rested him in the Six. If you know the Six Nations would have gone the way it went, you'd have rested Marrow and a few of those boys possibly in the Six Nations, because at the start of the tournament, you could see they weren't physically firing. You know what I mean? You could have had a good block of six weeks of just decompressing and giving it giving them time, which you'll get back in a year's time. But I think yeah, in the autumn, you rest and you rely on the squad depth because there's also some decisions in that squad where we talk about having a 33-man or 34-man squad for the World Cup. There's some decisions there you need to know who is your third choice or fourth choice lock, you know what I mean? And those so you're gonna find depth and you're gonna test people and you're gonna find out about them. And and like Holy said, the World Cup is is their goal. That's what they're gonna be judged on. If they lose in Ellis Park, which of course we don't want, but it's gonna be hard, isn't it? We've all been there, it's a tough place to go. It's not the end of the world. As long as it's good performance, they make it competitive, all that kind of stuff, of course you want to win. But the goal is that World Cup. And I think also for Steve and the coaching group, Marrow is the captain. Like he is the leader. He is uh the focal. But who's next on that rank? Like you said, is it Chessham who's brilliant for Leicester every time he looks like a future England captain, all that kind of stuff. But obviously if there's a couple of injuries that squad gets a little bit stressed, who are those voices that are really kind of stepping up and it's a great I mean it's a hostile environment. If ever you want to learn about your players, it's going to Ellis Park. Do you not feel though on the back of um the review, on the back of the Six Nations, there is this element that England need to we saw the France performance, although we didn't get the win, is the summer. If it doesn't go to plan, then that's a long rest or long break until we see them play again. So are you essentially with you know you lose Mara's experience? Let's say uh if if you' youre not're not using Mary, then you might argue there's other positions that you need to find depth. So do you use the summer as a like you've done the review process, the coaching staff's being backed, so the public have to understand actually in the summer they're better off trying to unearth a few players where we're lacking depth, and except the summer might be a different spin, feeling, performance. There are two things. This summer when we get to the autumn. The summer's gonna be really interesting because you hear about the review, you hear about the pressure from the Six Nations, like the coaching staff and all and that was put upon them and that kind of stuff and the squad. And the easy thing to do in some regards is pick your strongest squad, go out there and try and win these games, and it's a short term mentality. If you want to have a long term mentality to win the World Cup, you need your depth, you need people rested, you need people firing. And so the the tough decision probably is to rest players and also it might be give you a little bit of breathing space because you go to Africa or you know you you have a a younger squad and you can put an informants and it writes a bit breathing space if you're gonna lose like everyone seems to lose the box so like it's probably best losing with a younger side than uh your full on test match side but yeah I think that's the decision that's you know the the hard things will be the rest players and but that's the smart choice I think in the long term it's gonna hurt short term you take a hit but if you wanna win a world cup I think you've got to go that route. And I think look we've all been those setups and and every international setup they speak about World Cups campaigns don't know that's the goal. That's what they judge on if they even South Africa before last World Cup, they they weren't great in the middle. They they dropped off a bit and obviously peaked and they went back up and obviously won the World Cup and that's all people remember. So I think it's a real um I think for Borthwick to have the reassurance from the RFU would take a lot of pressure off him. And almost in a way, I think it will make him and the coaching group braver. Yeah. Because they they've got that back in and they can try things whereas I think like you said all of a sudden if they're still under pressure then they take uh their best squad to South Africa then they're traveling all over the place the amount of traveling the summer is going to be a lot for this English group as well and like all the the northern hemisphere sides. So I think for them it's taken that pressure off and said, you know what, let's go and try some things. Our future is the World Cup. And now when we get back into the autumn campaign, this is where we properly build. One player that potentially is touring this summer is uh Bernard Yancy Van Rensburg, the Bristol Centre. Um there's been a lot of talk about him, obviously, in the squad and the sort of girl because he's African born and that kind of stuff, but moving past that, what does he bring as a centre player-wise, trait-wise, that the others might not? How is he different from sort of Yoli Lawrence's, your Jomo's, your Dingwall's, even Freeman who plays in the centers? Like, how's he different and what's he bring and wiring and looking at him? So when when you when I just look at it purely on on the on that question you're asking me there because I've got quite strong views about this and I've I've there's a social clip that went up and and my view and what have you. But just on him as a player as such. He is someone that is extremely physical. He he he but he's he's got more subtleties than that. You look the way the Bristol play, right? They move the ball, they have subtleties, they play a great width, and you can't be a center in the Bristol mould and the way they play and the structure game plan that they do without having great distribution skills which he absolutely has. But the big point of uh that that Bernard also brings is like you look off lineouts, you look off launches, his ability to actually carry through traffic and win momentum and gain lines. He's brilliant off lineouts, especially where you know a lot of teams would have uh you'd have seen teams do it. Uh any listeners out there, it looks like a s a mall for all um shape and purposes, they they get insert comes in, they break away from the mall, and then where Van Rensburg's so good is coming into those seams and being that powerful guy. I think that's something that Freeman was looked at to to doing during the Six Nations. They almost wanted him to do that. Then you look at Ollie Lawrence, who's someone else that can do that. I I look at it and think that it's it's more seeing what can he bring is is what Bernard brings is his ceiling higher than what's currently in there? And I think that's kind of what maybe they're looking at. Look, he steps in at ten. Steps in at ten. Like you said, the Brist the Bristol Mold, how they play, they want to I don't know a hundred touches of the ball every week. It doesn't matter what position you are, or even you collar, you would have to touch the ball that much. And I think for it's a size, and we all know the in the international game you need that physicality, don't you? But with England, I think what they've lacked is that kind of second distributor where someone who can step in, they're still trying to work out who is that full back. I think Furbank possibly comes back and he becomes that kind of distributor. But I think with with him stepping in, he's a distributor. But like you said, he runs so hard, his ability I think with Lawrence as well. I think Lawrence is a brilliant player, very like forward. But he's not he's more an offloader. Yeah, he's more than a lot with uh Janse van Rendberg is there is a ruggedness to him and also I think not say a tone setter but Bristol are known as a bit sort of flash wide wide. And I've seen it like there are times when he I remember the semi-final against Bath last year, it's ages ago, but like they're going wide wide and he's screaming. You can see him screaming with one of the balls in his hands to get the balls to the edge. So he can distribute. But there's a certain I think for that Bristol back line, which is a bit not say f I won't say flash, but he has a physical presence and he gives the ball and he gets the ball and gets over the gain line, I think England possibly are looking for a centre that will put the hand up and go, either give me the ball, I'll carry it, or I'll move it. You know, someone that actually sort of not wants the ball, but someone that just doesn't want to exist in the system. Someone wants to actually make a difference. And I do think that he has the ability, especially at 13, to be able to do that, which is a bit more than what others, and with that you'd hope he brings others not into the game but follow that leads to the So I think it's also how how does Steve want to play the game? Yeah. He's one of the first names on the team. But is he is he seeing him as a winger or is he a thirteen? And it's who's he pairing him up . Do you want a thirteen, I know, a bit more like slate, a bit silkier, gets in the outside channels or an old Jonathan Joseph back in the day? You know what? A little bit quicker and stuff like that. Yeah, exactly. Trying to exploit that space. Or do they want to play one directional over the gain line set piece, all that kind of stuff. But I think with with him coming in, he has the ability to do both and I'm not sure the others around the country at the moment have that same ability. That's the thing for me, Robert. If I if I really look at it and again, like I say, if I answer just the question and and I don't go off on a tandem about other things um but if you look at it on the basis of you look at Fraser Dingwall, right, brilliant distribution, what's the the bit of a question mark? Has he physically got it at test match level, right? So he he he he ticks that box, still question marks about that. You look at Maxijoma, can he distribute? Absolutely. Physically, he he's not a big guy in stature and he and he hasn't had a lot of a lot of ghosts. So we don't quite know about him yet. Oli Lawrence, physical, brings all that, had a lot of test experience, but doesn't have the distribution. But you look at Van Rensberg, he he does cover both. He covers you in the sense of a distribution, um, can do all that, but he covers you in terms of like you just said, there's a bit of edge to how he plays. There is that punch above his body weight. He's aggressive. He can carry through traffic. He can mix it in a team like Bristol, where they aren't renowned for having that bit of edge . He actually does bring the edge for them. Right. And I think that's where that's where it comes out to Steve. How does he want to play? And that's probably why he's going, This guy can potentially do the two things that I want from one of my midfielders. Right. We're looking at that bloke. I'm looking at Jalibert, picture Jalibert here. Like we said before in this this pod, like him and Luku, when they run that Bordeaux, um, the Bordeaux team, they fly into things. And we see 9-10 doing that, whatever. You watch Van Rensburg playing and watch him play for Bristol, he's headfirst into things. He's carrying his carry-like he's just when you see a back do that and you need someone in that back line, you see someone do that, others follow it. And I think at the minute England don't have that sort of that'd be horrible, that presence in the back line that basically gets stuck into things and just others kind of go if he's doing it, I follow him in. Well it needs a training. If one person triggers it, then I think others people follow in, but all it but England don't have that trigger, and I think he could potentially do that. Now, he is twenty nine, which but I think for a world couple the next two, three years, you look at it, I think . Short term. Yeah, I wouldn't say short term is in like you don't want it to be too you want it to go on for if you place at least thirty eight, it'd be brilliant. But yeah, he's but I think to bring him in and also if it triggers if it if it gives a not a boot up the arse, but if the other centres go, I need to step my game up and be a bit more do this, this, this, this, this, because there is a threat of someone else coming in, and it gets like, what do they say, iron sharpens iron, those those five blokes or five centers, six centres going at each other, and and you get to World Cup you've got six guys who have competing and wonning it, it can only be good for the squad and the team. And I think also you've got to look at England's recent results. It hasn't gone to plan. I know the France came , but it's still lost. So if you're gonna change, if you're gonna try things, like I said a summer tour where there's less pressure on you going at like I said going away is a great opportunity if they'd been winning every game then you might say oh there's no need to do anything but he's trying to think with that side. The Wldor cup is obviously the goal, so yeah, why not now? We've got a question from Kit, and this one's mainly for you, Robbo. What needs to change at Quinns to make them a force once again? Kit, I'm not sure when they were ever a force. I mean, obviously the only time they're a force when Chris Robson che ated in the uh I'm gonna do do you want me to do I'm gonna get it off my chest. I don't know if we can play the archive. We played Quinns in a final. I'm gonna look right down the barrel at this one. And it was the last play of the game. We're on the right hand It was a little more. It was no, it was a scrum. And Billy Twelftry's carries. And Chris Robshaw, no release. Gets on that ball. It's a clear cut penalty. And he wins it and quins win and we were robbed. That's right, we were robbed. So you were never a force. But how does Quins become a force? You cheating . I mean luckily we started well because if not you were you were clawing us back. No, in all seriousness, like you know, you are quins through and through, like what's going on? Look, it it hurts when you see any c your club in in that kind of position and and especially with the players they have and all that, and look, they've come out publicly and said, look, the amount of injuries is hard it'd been hard for us, but a lot of clubs have injuries, don't they, at the moment. And I think for me it's it's that kind of and we've all we've always been that club, unfortunately. Consistency has been our hardest thing. As we saw recently, they beat Exeter, they made a 20-point comeback in the second half, and you kind of thinking that out of it. And they have that ability, it's just having that mindset for whatever reason to do it. I think obviously they they need to add a bit of bolster to that forward pack. Um, obviously, if in backs they can come back and get himself fit. But since I mean obviously Joe Marler, a good mate of ours, since his kind of ruggedness and toughness in there, it's been tough to replace. And I think for me, if we're honest, the biggest one we can talk about Quinn's people who have been through the club, and the most irreplaceable guy has been Esther Hazen. Again, we talk we talk about having an ability to get you over the game. For Marcus Smith, get me out of trouble, over you go. I mean, a six foot four, tough South African gonna run over whoever it is, and even if they're looking at him, he's going for them. And I think as a back, it's so nice to have that position. And I think when Marcus was playing with him, he knew that. So he could I don't know, jinx it, try it, put it in the right areas, and if not, whereas now he doesn't quite have that safety net. So for me it's adding that that kind of strength there. Um but then I think yeah look set piece has got to improve but they need to get the champions cup next year. For the club and all clubs, you know we know the benefit as players to play in that. But also financially for the club to have the big boys of Europe come into your home grounds is massive financially. So look, fingers crossed they can they can hang on towards the end of the year. Quinn's have all's been a funny one for me because I look at when Quinn's have been successful. Quinnsville got this reputation of like playboys like Mavericks throwing the b all around, but the two times they won the league, the first time you had a ginormous four pack, it was sort of like you had Marley, you had um James Johnson, you had Orrie Cohn in there, you had a scrum and them all and like a platform. Yeah, yeah. Nikki like and then the second time they won the league, Vilco Low was the tight head, who's like the best tight end in the best scrum at Marla. You had like say Levice and big boys in the second row, like so they had a platform A to play off, but B you had a full pack. The first I think try this goal in the Prem Final was a rolling mall. What do you mean? Like and but and Quinn's get the one with anyone. It's kinda like that reputation of like Quinn's of this Maverick side, but they actually need almost that becomes on the back of a forward pack that beats you up and it's nasty. And it's it's funny how Quins at the minute it's kind of like you know, you want to play, you want to play, but you still have to have the core fundamentals of the game. I don't think at the minute the set piece is strong enough for Quinn to compete and that's where we have to look at and invest. And it's I say it's funny because Quinn sort of you expect them to be these playboys, but actually it's the balance of both. And that's Cody, you're s you're spot on. Um any successful team club internationally has a good set piece. What do you fall back on to? I mean you know it more than you need to have a scrum, you need to have a more you need to have an ability to get over the gain line because then things open up. As soon as you just play on the back foot and you're trying to offload, things don't really happen. And unfortunately they're in that position, their set piece hasn't been strong enough to get them on the front foot. And that'll be a massive tail here internationally, um, obviously the Champions Cup as well. And in the league, you look at the sides who are good I mean Leicester getting back to where they are what's that bit on the tight five the tight five exactly and if you don't have that you're just the other teams are just piggybacking down the pitch yeah so until they can replace that. Look for, me, Fur bank is brilliant. I love Fairbank as a player. I think he's England's fullback. He's he's a great signing for Queens. But do we need a back three? Should we have gone out there and got I don't know some massive secondary from somewhere? Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Something like that, just to bolster that that energy. So fingers crossed they can add to the pack 'cause until they do that, I think they're still gonna try play, but it's on the back foot and it's so much harder. You look at you look at like Toulouse, let's say, you look at a Bordeaux and you get you get and and you get like look at the back line, look how they play and all that. But it all comes back from winning collisions from the forwards. And and that's where Quinn's like it it needs to you you sign George Furback. I agree. I think he's a a brilliant fullback. He's a great addition. He'll suit the way the Quinns play. But it'll only suit him if the Pat gets gets to momentum and forward and winning collisions because it's all very well, but you you can't pull rabbits out of hats uh on the back foot. Now Marcus can the occasion but like there's almost so much on him, bless him, that he's probably thinking, that's I can't there's only so much I can do here. Do you know what I mean? So it's really interesting. I I would say from the outside, and and Robert, you know way more than me, but in terms of quins, I look at it and I always look at them think, has do they actually want the the culture probably needs to change in my view, right? But then I look at it and think a lot of them probably don't want the culture to change. But for the club to kick on, there needs to be almost a mind shift around that because it's always been the way I've perceived it is training's a little bit easy you don't train too much you don't train too hard you do just enough and you rock up the weekend and things happen and you probably got away with it for a while and I think if someone came in, it's a bit it's relaxed. It's relaxed. And then if someone came in to try and change that, I feel like there would be a massive resistance. Be like, no, we've always done it this way. I mean look you look when Paul Gustav came in. We we've worked with Guzzi with England, I get him really well with Guzzi and he had huge success uh with Sarys. He was part of that massive warpack, the re regeneration of I mean Sarys were a mid table team to being the the champions or whatever else they went on to one and how hard it was to to beat them and what they achieved. And he was part of that and he came in and obviously tried that with Quinns and yeah, you're right, there was a bit a bit of resistance I think and it didn't go well. And unfortunately he ended up getting the boot really. Um , but then Quinn's went on and won the league trying to play the other way, and it's it's that kind of thing where I think when any um director, rugby, coach or whatever comes in, they need to know the DN A for sure, but they also need to put their stamp on it as well. And I think it was Jordan Jordan Henderson, the footballer, Liverpool footballer, when Klopp came in, um, he came in and changed everything, changed everything, and he said, you know what, training, we need to train it this time 'cause we're gonna play it this time and all that. And Jordan Henderson was like, you know what it's like, the players like, we don't want to do this, go speak to him, Captain, you know, skip sort of out. And Jordan Henderson went to go see him and said, look, we we don't don't agree with this and he's all this kind of stuff. And Klopt just said, Show me your medals and he had he didn't have a comeback. And obviously then they went on to have like success and all that kind of stuff. 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Oh yeah But we um you know what's like you you play in a new stadium or away in uh champions cup or something, you go to the ground the day before generally, have a little run around. And we'd uh we' thed have a coach at time who would actually make us do made-up line outs. Yeah. So we'd have to learn it's made up lineouts just in case someone was in the stats spying. No doubt there's been people who inspired. I I don't know anything about it. I haven't been there. Yeah. Um it'd be very 'cause that's what's as you say, very easy for uh you go to a wave stadium because there was that paranoia where especially played internationally or in knockout stage of Europe that somewhere along the lines they just when we' atre Murrayfield or we when're at Cardiff, the two says we're doing our capital. There'd be a camera in a box somewhere that's just overlooking the pitch and like you could see it, which is why again towards the end of our careers, you basically turned up and like threw the ball around, just got loose, had a look at the stadium, had a look at the environment, you didn't do any rugby, you didn't do any moves. You just literally had a look and said, Oh, what's going on? So yeah, there's all that paranoia. I'm trying to train you for Zav. I know Eddie K came out in 2019 World Cup and said that basically the all blacks were spying on us during the semi-final because thereause big block of flats behind it and there's just some someone happened to hang out the or Washington . So they just start this media storm of the all blacks are the all blacks are spying on us, mate. That was a genius move just to get again take the pressure away from the England team and take the pressure off the players and make it a this media side so about like spying all this kind of stuff and that's all going on. We just went about our business like training and playing but that was all going on. So but yeah Do you do you think if you don't know enough about a team two days before do you I think you're in trouble? If you need to spy on them 24 hours before the game, you haven't prepared your team well. You're also putting the fear of God into the team that you coach because you're like, I've had to spy on them last, I'm that worried about it, like the paranoia. Um Hondre Pollard's of course been on the uh podcast a number of times and he mentioned on one occasion, uh on one of the episodes that uh Razzie used to leave like these fake playbooks around when he I think he was at the Cheaters at the time, coaching there and used to leave these fake playbooks. So the stuff like that does happen. I think there was a there's one on the Lions tour, I think, with um uh one of the Aussie coaches in 2001. I think there was an open session, and basically one of the the the the the assistant coaches basically just stood there and watched the entire Lions session. I think that happened as well. So yeah, anyway . We've got questions from Harry. Leicester have already qualified for the playoffs with three games to go and hammered Saints uh earlier this month. Can they win the league? They can win the league. They can Harry. They can win the league, Harry. I th I one thing I'd say about this year's Prem is it feels like there's five very good teams and five not so good have underperformed and got the odd win. But you But even in those five very this is the most confusing. Which is it's it's just it's crazy. But Saints got hammered by Leicester. Yes. Uh it's like it's literally like this year is so confused in my head about the Prem 'cause I'm trying to work out if it's like how good slash bad the rugby is. Is it a good attack or render still? It's like trying to do it. But but like I've never seen such a what used to be a hammering uh a few years ago was thirty, forty points. Now it's eighty or ninety. And it's I don't know if it's people just giving up whether it's 'cause it's like you score, we score, like but the Prem has been one of the Bath have been consistently good, Northampton have been sort of good, but they've had ups and downs a lot l Leessicester a lot. I think Leicester season's gradually they've just been consistently Laval's got a set piece of fullback on with Sir Hazy Nicky Smith to win penalties which can field position. They've got back three and was teed up great with sort of Radwan, Oli Hassel Collins, look and run it back and score. Ham Webb's come in there. Like so yeah, they've had a a good season, but it it's the other teams well, like Bristol have been hammered and they've won games and i it's you know, it's been a weird season in terms of like the Prem and how good teams are and Sale, who you think would what at the beginning of the season might have competed for Silver . They took 80 by Saris, didn't they? It's just a straight it's a getting a getting a home semi-final though is key. And that that is really important at Robbo. We've all played in those games. I mean the percentage of home semis that win is I mean it's massive isn't it? And I think for for me, i I think Leicester, I mean like you said they've quietly gone about their business, players are getting fit. And I almost think they would fancy beating Saints away, but I think Bath away would be a different challenge for them. So I think just the way they play in terms of I think Bath forwards have a little bit more in terms of the set piece stuff. We we've seen we've seen Saints obviously the attack in rugby they play is is phenomenal, but then SPs can come under pressure. So I think for for me, yeah, it depends on who they play. That that three is a step above whoever finishes four, I think. Yeah, and I look at it like Northampton is the way they play, I love the way they play. But you want to bring them into a physical contest, right? That's your edge against that. You look at Bath, right? That's where they're a bit more of an all court game because they're difficult to bring into that physical contest because they they probably outmuscle you in the end. Their set piece is extremely strong. They got great line out and we've seen they almost remind . That's the thing. Well actually they know it well it went to see in the bigger games. You're right, it did. So I t I I retract that. But what I would say is once they get in your twenty two, they sort of remind me of X sort of four or five years ago where they're just relentlessly pick and go and they're just trying to eke out penalties to then get another tap and have another shot at you. They're extremely efficient once they're in there without doing loads. I'm not saying anything with them, but you know what I mean it's just like they just bludgeon their way. But then they have the game breakers in the when the game if it gets loose, you have your Russell's Lawrence. Joey Moto Carreras. I think that that that was it quarterfinal last sixteen, the game between Bath and Saints was incredible. Oh the attacking rug beyond that. But it's interesting for me what Dalson said and hit the nail on the head. Saints were what did they 20 points up, but they never look comfortable. Yeah. Which is the biggest thing. How can a team that wants to be there? We were If Souris went five points ahead of you, you're not really coming back, are you? Yeah. And it's having that control. And it's sixteen. Shakespeare and insect and then the defence gets your that for me is where Saints need to get to. Yes. I think they they can score, they play amazing rugby, they're they're happy, they're forward, their defence has got a bit better, but they need to have that ability to close stuff out. And I think like we said, when they went to Leicester the other week, where they just fell off a little bit, I think that is the level they need to step up to. And I think that's the only thing missing from their game at the moment. Uh we've got a question from Mick. We've seen Farrell and Pollock throw into uh lineouts recent I mean, it was one where it used to always be the loose head because you'd do like simbian scenarios where the hookers being sent off, like who's going to step up and throw, and it was always a loose head. Sometimes a seven would do it. It was loose head if I was playing yes, Chris. It was. Well, I remember Marla, right? We played Scotland away. We played Scotland away. And I can't remember if Faz was playing in this game. Because if he was, next time I see Faust, I'll be like, why on earth did you let Marla throw that ball in? Luke Cow and Dicky got yellow carded. He sort of volleyed the ball at they did crossfield to crossfield. Remember, Dickie came up and he like basically just like like the hand of God like married on just like pie it in. He got yellow carded um yellow card penalty tri yellow card penalty trice we had a hooker off anyway they marched their way up the field again we ended up with a lineup and we sort of looked and thought who's gonna throw in and hunch Marla was like yeah I'll throw in because it was normally a loose head anyway frows in an absolute pie they nick it and end up scoring we lose the game so far was playing in that game the whole asking why did Faz not throw up throw in but I'm not sure he was playing I can't remember but how is how has Faz got to that position I mean no it's friends were amazing. Marco got your shoulders above his head anyway. But there's love like it wasn't just normally you're throwing straight to the front eye. Yeah. He's done a little lob on the five. Well normally so they are. Man of all man of all uh we could do it all. We did actually use to practice a yes say Simbin scenario where Hooker got sent off and you'd almost have a special call where you do like a a slip to the so someone would end up at the front of the line and basically could take it on the five, or he could hopefully distract someone throw it in. But I remember we had um French uh French nines, uh it was Julian Dupree at Leicester, basically. He like he'd literally just step up and be like, Yeah and he'd like loft it over the pod and like it was hundred percent. It was unbelievable like but he'd literally dub his cigarette out at the same time. No worries He didn't have a lineup, you know, he didn't ever do the lineup, didn't practice it. But it was like literally if this happened, like we're just gonna take a three-step lobby and just throw it up there and fair play, it worked. But yeah, it is you sometimes can see, can't you, where teams have like it was all those scenarios which you never want to have to train, but at some point they're gonna bite you in the arse if you don't get them right. So you have to go out there and train 'em and even if it's just like what can you like say if you're doing what can you throw? It might be you throw it to the tail, right? We'll just have to do something where you know what I mean? 'cause we're gonna if I was defending you, the hookers off would be like, mark up the front, take away the five metre channel, make them throw it and Collie, would you back yourself seven metres little lob to throw that hit out? Someone's gonna have to be no, but when the hookers off you need a massive front lift at the line out, so that's my job, mate. That's uh the um I remember I played a Melroad Sevens, Melrose Sevens way back in the day, and I had to throw in an all tournament. I I don't think I got one straight. I I re I literally maybe because it was Scottish referees to be fair, I'll probably why but I messed up every single time. It was a hard skill. Um, right, we've got a question from Lucy. Which team did you hate the most as a player? Club and country? Oh . Hate hate's a strong word. I don't hate Northampton, but I always look forward to that derby game. That was a really good game. So yeah, hate survival. Yeah, I I I really appreciated that fixture. I loved it. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it because I knew how much it meant to Leicester and the and and the city and the and the county and the fans and I also I respected how much it meant to the Saints fans, players and you know, their county. So yeah, I I really love that fixture. I think that will always be the one that I I tune into and and wat watchch enjoying in terms of country I think you you work out very quickly when you play for England don't you that um you're very unpopular and no matter who you play. So I didn't have no one was worse than the other. It's just like every game was you were up for it. Um but in terms of the fixtures at Leicester, I've really enjoyed the Northampton rivalry. Um and long may that one continue. Yeah, for me I think it's those Darwys with Sarys. For me, and they were s they were so good and every now and then we'd we'd managed to get one over them. But it would just sh sharpen everyone, sharpen everyone's mind. The crit ours end up enjoying it. There's a bit of pantomime around it and all that kind of stuff. So for me those and you look at the players they had, and also they had a lot of your mates from England, and you always wanted to get one over on your mates, didn't you? When you played against each other. So for me, playing them was good. Internationally, yeah, like you said, for us and when I played, the Welsh were good. Always wanted to get one over. It just sharpened everyone's mind. You and also going down to Cardiff, the intensity of going down there and you guys have spoken about the atmosphere and all that kind of stuff. It's a brilliant place to go and play. Um so probably then especially when you have a stand uh standoff in the tunnel that's kind of in the tunnel just adds the drama. Standoff in the tunnel, roof closed, has running into the post protector, but getting the wind. What a perfect Friday night. Yeah, that's not to be shared. Quinn's of course play uh Saracens on Saturday. Yep, big game, big game. Both need to win. Saris need top four, Quinn's need unfortunately, top eight. It would be so Quinn's too and they they they would love it. They would love it and they would enjoy it. And and actually last year they they beat them. It's not their big game, I think it's at the Stonex. Um yeah, look, they would love it and they'll be relishing this out of cheese. What's that clip of the who's the Newcastle manager? Well I love it. Kevin Keegan, that's quins this weekend . I'd love it if we beat them. Um well Chris, you have to shoot and get some uh lunch and your busy schedule. Thank you for uh your time today. We're actu gallyonna stick around and uh we're gonna pick our Prem awards. But Chris, uh, you can feel free to go and enjoy Bill Bell. Cheers, Robert. No, thank you . This episode is brought to you by Thriver. Now that we've moved from professional rugby players to professional podcasters, we've partnered with Thriver to monitor our long-term health. Thriver is a simple, painless at home blood test that cuts through the guesswork and gives personalised science-led insight we can actually act on. And they've got a new health span dashboard. Isn't right, Colin? That's correct. It lets you track and break down the most important metrics across different health areas so you know where to focus. If you'd like to make informed choice about your lifestyle, give Thriver a go. You can use the link in our episode description and use the code LOVERRUGBE to get 20% off your first blood test. That's Love of Rugby for 20% off your first blood test . The Prem Award shortlist is out for all several different categories, and we're gonna pick our winners from the nominees. First one is player of the season. The shortlist is Tommy Freeman, Billy Searle, Ben Spencer, and Tommy You're a Leicester, of course, um, beginning the season. I d I don't know Billy, but what is it what is your insight of him? Well he's been well, he's been an incredible player this season for Leicester. Uh I say to signed came in as sort of a second slash third choice. There was um O'Connor, Orlando Bailey came in sort of as a ten, um, and then Billy Searle who'd been in playing in in France and he's sort of uh he's been a bit of a journeyman, but he's found his feet Leicester and he I think early doors he backs himself. There's a certain confidence about the man um and credit to him, I think, in that Leicester team, he's um grabbed it's quite a young backline, and I think he's grabbed that sort of back line and sort of directed it and you've seen him playing games against Lent or something like that. He he sort of threw himself in physically hitting things. So yeah, he's been um getting he's to be fair, you know, you're playing a back line like you had Soul cutter outside him at the beginning of the season who you dump the ball off to him, he can make yards. Um you got Radwan and Hassel Collins, it's like just get the ball in their hands and he's been able to do that this year. So it's for you can think of several lovely long passes he's thrown to get those boys going, but he's also been able to play get Lester's pack on the front foot. So um yeah he's slotted and seamlessly and also he's come out of nowhere really. Like I think the expectation around him at the beginning of the year was and maybe that's probably some of his own performances you kind of think are because I know there's been talk around him being around the England squad and from what I've seen he 's been good but I don't know if he's George Ford, Marcus Smith, Finn Smith good. But part of that I think is because he's come and no one really known about him. Like he wasn't w wasp and wasp before, but like no one's really known about him. It's kinda like, oh my god, he's ultra good and then it's actually probably the truth lies somewhere in between if you see what I mean. Yeah, I'm not putting him in the same category as Mark Smith, Finn Smith or George Ford. But he has had a fantastic season and you say that he's actually been the signing of the season 'cause he has played some amazing football. And I think that's probably the the the bit, isn't it? It's like what was the what was everyone's expectation? And and I didn't know a huge amount about Billy. And I've seen I think he's been terrific. I think you know, less to get on the first. had any knowledge of how good he'd be is himself. Yes. Is it like you know what I mean like you back yourself as a player and like you do that. So I think everyone else it's probably been a bit of a a revelation, but I think Billy has that confidence in himself to be able to like, this is I can do you know what I mean? I'll prove people wrong and do it. So and he has. Tommy Freeman has obviously been around for a while, so you can sometimes take these guys for granted, but he is a phenomenal player. He's had another great season you would say this year, right, Tommy Freeman's had a down year compared to say last year. But then you look at the stats and he's got second most tries, second most amount of meters, and most clean breaks. Turns out he's had a phenomenal year. The perception of Billy Searle's here and he's performing here is like the perception of Freeman is he's here, and because he's not like running in from 100 meters every week, you're like, oh he's not been as good, but actually he's been really good. No, he has. He has. And then Ben Spencer, we've always said this about you know, Finn Russell gets a huge amount of applauders the way he plays. But it's a bit like the Jalabert Luku debate, right? Jalabert has had an incredible season in the Investig Champions Cup. But that's because of what Luku brings and the stability he brings, the consistency he brings, the control he brings, and that is Ben Spencer in Finn Russell. Like Ben Spencer is so pivotal to Bath that I would say that losing Ben Spencer is a bigger loss for Bath than it would be losing Finn Russell for the run into the end of the season. It really is. That is how important he is to that team. We mentioned those three guys and they've had phenomenal seasons, but it's the four final list, Tom Willis of Saracens, who is my for love rugby Prem player of the season. Um I look at his stats, he has the seventh most tackles in the league. He has won the third most amount of turnovers. And the stat that really stands out is he has beaten 109 defenders this year, which is incredibly impressive. But the second place man, Revu Vu of Bristol , has only beaten 78. So you think of Tom Willis, he's beaten what's that, 3 1 more defenders than the next burst player. He's a third, almost like a third h igher. He is on a if you had a little chart, he'd be out there by himself as the outlier in terms of defenders beat. And you think about who he's beating, he's not running on the edge. He is running off the back of a scrum, off the back of a line-out. He's beating defenders through basically physicality, footwork, bouncing them. Like and Surisons have been up and down the ship. He's been one consistent player that they've relied upon every week, and he's been phenomenal. He's been incredible . As you say, I think he's a huge loss for Saracens. He's a huge gain for Bordeaux. He's been a big loss for England. They've definitely missed him without doubt. We said that from Day Dot when they announced that he was leaving and going to top 14. And you just summed up for me there, Coley. The amount of defenders beaten, and you look at where he's carrying the ball. He's carrying it in and around the ruck through channels where people are lining up, trying to hit, trying to do two-man tackles, and he's still making meters. He's still doing the most carries, he's still doing the most defenders beaten. Like he has had a remarkable season. He's he Tom Willis is an outstanding player and he's had another outstanding season. And I agree with you. He is the for lover rugby's player of the season. Prem breakthrough player of the season. The short list is Noah Claury of Saracens, you have Archie McPahlant and Eduardo Tod aro of Northampton Saints, and then you have Kepo Tupelotto of Bath. Archie, I I really like him as a nine. I think he's someone that's gonna come through and I'm I'm gonna keep an eye on him. I I really like he has, he has and I I I look at him and I think he's got a really great potential and future. So excited by him. Seems to be a real crop of nines coming through. You look at Lucas Friday at Quinns, there's another one. Like there's a nice little crop working, but I think Archie's been super impressive. And it will also get the best out of Alex Mitchell, which is great. So it's a good, good problem to have at Northampton and a great problem for England to have. Then I think for me you can't look past Toler had a brilliant start to season. Um but I just don't see how you can look past Nurkal ory. I think he has had an exceptional season. He is bursting the scene. I think when he just rang rings around sale and the impact he had on that game on on a debut. Uh amazing player, aerial skills. And he, of course, had him on the podcast and he spoke really openly, really well about his ambitions, his goals, very open about it, and I love it. And he's certainly ticking them off pretty fast. Um, he has, of course, scored uh 18 tries, five tries each in both games against Sale, which is bonkers. Yeah. Um so for me, look , everyone in that list has had a great season, but me, if you're looking at breakthrough players, Nurka Laurie all day. Premier director rugby of the season, you have Rob Baxter of Exeter, Phil Dowson of Northampton, Jeff Parling of Leicester Tigers and Jaren Van Groan of Bath. I'm not going to hang around here. For me, Rob Baxter. You look at where Exter were last year, twelve months ago. They finished ninth? They finished ninth. They were in a bit of a hole. They had coach ing change. Rob Baxter had sort of stepped back a little bit and now he sort of basically said, No, I'll be stepping in and getting hold of it again. And my gosh, as he got hold of it. Now you could say that X to have struggled a little bit like towards the run-in. Maybe that was inevitable because they're still sort of building well rebuilding under Rob. They've obvious got new investment. Like extra are building and the new investment. It's exciting time for Chiefs. It really is. But 12 months ago, you look at them, you're thinking, I'm not sure where they're heading, like it looks a bit messy. Rob Baxter has shown his absolute class. He's grabbed hold of that club again, a club that he's been associated for years. And mate, I look at him and I think, yeah, you've got to give it to him on the back of a similar squad. Yesterday they had a couple of Aussie editions, but really a similar squad and he's got hold of them and he's turned around this season. I do look at Van Gran and Dowson. They probably they had good seasons, but they were good last year and it's a bit more of the same. I look at Jeff Pauling and you think for his first season it's been really good, but I do look at that Leicester team and it finished second in the league last year. So it's not like it was a crap team that should be good in it. It should be good. So it's bit more of the same whereas yeah I think Rob Axter extra um you know, and i the stability in some regards, it does show you because a lot of clubs chop and change, but say that and across sport aren't they, but the stability of actually you've had a bad season, instead of throwing the baby out of the bathwater, you kinda go give the it time, you reshuffle things and you go from ninth to you know top five in the league. It it's a decent turnaround. Take composure and a self awareness to back yourself and understand rather than panic, and he certainly hasn't done that. One person I do want to mention is Mark McCool. I want to say to about Mark McCool is the impact he's had on Saratons and in the Prem as a whole and in Investor Champions Cup has been remarkable. And he's not on the list, but I didn't he should get a special award. I didn't yeah, exactly. Hopefully he does get a special award. Um I think he's been an amazing servant, not only to Saracens, but also to the Prem in general. So congratulations to him. Of course, he's m moving on at the end of the season or moving up or stepping back. I don't quite know where he's heading, but he's staying involved with Saracens in some way, shape, or form. Um but yeah, Rob Baxter for us. England women's player of the season. The shortless is Amy Kickane, Zoe Harrison, Sadie Kabaya, and Meg Jones. So Zoe Harrison ob,viously goal kicking, has been phenomenal. I look at um Sadia Cabea, and of course, we've had Sadia on the on the podcast Love Rugby many, many times. Um she is a a beast in the best way. She's a machine, right? She's a beast. Like just goes around smashing things jacking play the match world cup uh final like she's had a remarkable season um amy of course uh cocaine has had a again like Amy Kakane like you look at England and the Red Roses, how they maul their scrum, their line out, like the hookers right in the middle of that. And she massive. And then Meg Jones. You you'd say that Meg is everyone says about Ellie Kill Dunn being the best player in the world. Is she I'm not sure she's that much better than Meg Jones. Like for me, like Meg Jones is in terms of all round footballing ability, I would say Meg Jones is better than yeah than a sort of catch pass tackle, that kind of like and yeah, so and distribution skills, I'd say footballing skills that Meg Jones is is better and say also got leadership role captures the team now. So Yeah, and and I think that sometimes um you know when again be well, you know when people just churn out brilliant performances week in, week out. They almost get taken for granted or they, you know, you you forget about how important they are. I would say if you removed Meg Jones from that Road Roses team, I dare say they don't function at the same level. It's a bencer. You remove Meg Jones from the Red Roses, they don't function as well. So for me, I'd like to see Meg Jones uh on the for Love of Rugby player of the season. Final award, England men's player of the season. We have Ollie Chesham, we have Ben Earl, we have Tommy Freeman, and we have Joe Hayes . Great, great forehead. This is a great short list. Great short list. I think Tommy Freeman I'm right, I'm naturally inclined to tighten it to go for Joe Hayes as he's started every game and been phenomenal in those performances, and England Scrum has been the one area that's performed. So there's my pitch there. But Joe Hayes has had a trying brilliant season. Convert me out of that. Ben Earl. Oli Chesham got injured during the autumn. So when I look at that, he hasn't played as many minutes as the other guys. So I think Big Red's had a great he had a great tournament back end of the Six Nations, but he missed a lot of the Autumn games. He he missed um he was on the bench for a couple of the games during the Six Nations. So I'm going to rule Big Red out. Love Big Red, but I'm ruling him out. Right? Tommy Freeman, they had a bit of winger 13, trial, error, and everything like that. So I'm going to rule him out. Yep. So you're gone Joe Ace, but I'm going to say Ben Earl. Ben Earl, once again, and I said about Tom Willis and how much he'll be missed, and I still believe he is missed, but my gosh, Ben Earl, his ability to be so consistent with his level of performance is remarkable. His carry, his uh post-contact meters, his involvements are through the roof. Almost like Willis does for Saracens week and week out. Earl does for England. Great point week out. It is. That's exactly right. What Willis brings to Saracens week and week out is what Earl brings to England. I think Ben Earl's had a remarkable season. And like Lions tour as well. Like he's had to do it on the back of that. Joe Hayes has has almost Will Stuart got injured. It kind of opened up the door for him and he's grabbed it with both hands and and being brilliant. But I look at Ben Hell and the consistency that he brings in that England share on the back of a mammoth season. You almost go back to back with Lions tours in terms of the season feels. So I'm going to say Ben Hull. I'm picking Hazy , you're picking Ben Earl. There's only one way to decide this. We're gonna have to go to the people. We're gonna make it the full of rugby, THB's Inglesman's player of the season, and we'll put it to a vote on socials. We will. Let's do it that way. Perfect. Tell you what, Carly, what an unbelievable trip we've had. The road to Bill Barr and the JCU. Get in here, amazing weekend. 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