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We really appreciate it and we hope you enjoy The stings And we hope you enjoy this episode of Free W This is free with ads, the podcast that askks the question, why pay Disney plus twelve bucks a month to show your kids a bunch of animated classics when you can go online for free and show them the films of Don Bluth, and then get them a big glass of mister Pib and a handful of Hydrox. I'm Jordan Morris. And I'm Emily Fleming. Today's movie is The Secret of NIim eighties animated classic that features a hunky mouse so sexy he makes that Robinhood fox look like a huge pile of shit. With us as always is the super prodroucer, the he freak, Matt Lee hitting us with those anthropomorphic drops Come inside or go away That was an audio of my wife when we were trying to conceive Well, hey, if you need to finish up, I got a sexy mouse you can think about. heace in this movie. Who's naked sometimes.. Oh you know, I'm talking about the mouse I'm talking about is the like rooyal guard guy. Yeah that mouse Yeah But you're right, that female mouse, Miss Brisby, a little bit of a mill fififfy ass mouse I' like friend. Well like all of these mice have full on clothes on. Yeah. And she just has this little cape and she wakes up new. this naked ass mouse doing. When So she's wearing the cape for most of the movie. and you're right. in the select scenes where she's not wearing the cape, it feels scandalous. It naked Is that her pussy? Can I see her puss? Is our little m? Mountain! Mountaines man. What's wrong with us We watched so many movies with mice, I realized that Don Bluth just does a lot of mice. a mouse, which I'm like I get. I get it.y man because yeah we haven't done like America Tail or Feifl gooes West yet, which I can't wait Yeah. But like if you think about it, okay, we got Um, what was the last one Rock a doodleice chicken. And that one mouse Yeahah, that mouse with the big glasses. She was fuckable. Yeah. and I Oh yeah. I fuck mouse. And then somebelinabelina got a a mouse Yeah. So it's starting to yeah, we're starting to like find some of Don Bluth's theme. Well yeah, he has a kink. This is, you know, this is his Tarantino feet, you know what I mean Yeah Aarantino's got feet, Don Bluth has. does micey mice. Well, I kind of looked up ' these mice did look a lot like America tail mice. I was like, is there like a crossover or an easaster egg? No norossover There is not. Is there a Bleutha verse? I'm sure they did the thing though where they use like the same Like animations like over and over again. That's like Disney used to do that all the time. Yeah, sure. So I'm certain that's maybe. The reason for so many fuckable mice. Sure there's a B YouTuber out there. Oh BlutuberTber BlTuber. YouTube's over I'm I'm all about BlutTube. Yeah Bl It Streaming service, it's got seven movies Well, hey, we're gonna talk more about the secret of NIM, but first, we're gonna talk about something else we saw for free on the internet this week. Other free stuff So in our Predator episode from a few weeks back, we challenged you, our beautiful, wonderful listeners to create your own predator memes for the show. Of course, the Predator meme, which you might not know is from the movie until you see it is popular meme template with the two buff hands clasping in the middle. And you know, one hand says a thing, the other hand says another thing and in the middle is something they can agree on. Yeah. It would be like Tarantino, Don Bluth and then in the middle would say making movies clearly showing their kinks to the world. That's pretty good That is very good My examples that I gave, one hand Free with As, one hand flute teachers and in the middle talking about fingering. Nice nice nice. 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There's, you know, I just I worry about people's mental health, but there are any listen, any anybody and I you know, and I'd say this because I've gone too too far down the hole and made myself bad But there is a great there's a great poster over there on our slash free with adds. This is Dan Mott Man and he is taking every issue of Predator bloodshed and doing And doing all the stings for it. So he's treating it like. And he's doing, you know, the worst hat and the tallest guy and who would play and stuff like that. So thank you to Dan Mottman for checking out those comics. That is very fun and creative. Nice. So you know what? The Red It's good. I take my I take back every b I've said about it It might be the one good community on Reddit. Maybe it is. I don't know. The rest of I mean, it it's also because we haven't reached our critical mass of fans yet. at some point will'll where our podcast will be so popular. that our Reddit fandom will become toxic. will become toxic, which is Oh I hope that. Please destroy us.. Say I used to listen to you back when you were normal. S it.. I did read one and I'm on mood stabilizers, so pretty much nothing can hurt me. wonder. Thank you. It's great But yeah my magic amulet like the mouse from this filom Seriously. But I did read one about like whose movie taste you most associate with. Ain't one of them said me Oh Well that's not a lot of hackers fans in that. But you know what? I get it. I think that makes me an individual. those too I think it does too. You don't go with the crowd. That's right. So see when you're on mood stabilizers, you can think about things that are clearly an insult and spin it in a positive way.. I mean this is the perfect time to go on Reddit. L Mel. goodood stuff. Yeah Okay, well hey, let's talk about the secret of NIM. I despite having watched a lot of Buth as a kid, I had never seen this one.all had y'all seen it go into this? No. and I thought I got this confused with Wathip down. I thought that there's another traumatizing kind of movie Rentie Rodent movie I knew this was like the bleakest Don Blh. That's what everybody said So but I knew the necklace, I knew the images and stuff, but and I may have like half ass watched it at some point, but boy I didn't remember An while watching it except for that necklace be ugly. Ohs No heart of the sea, that's for sure. That's exactly right. And it's no yellow diamond necklace from How to Lose a Gy in ten days. Sure. Of course not. I' to rake jewelry for sure. Oh yeah, best best best jewelry in ye. Can there be a stink called jewelry talk Of course there can There going to be aing that doesn anything. It is There's three syllables. Exactly. And even so even if there's not, I could still make it work. You squeeze it in. Yeah. Matt's very czy. I' very good at my job. I know, I had never seen this. I thought maybe I had because it was you know, I just know it so well in terms of like visually And my conclusion because I've been sexually attracted to that mouse. since I was a child. Oh Not in like a weird way, not in the same way I was like sexually attracted to being eaten by an anaconda. But the, you know or like quicksand, right? You know. you know, but when you're young, you don't know what horny is you just are. But anyways the mouse though was always like I don't know, an early base memory I had of like being like, oh, that mouse is kind of hot I think I just saw the VHS cover over and over again, like at friends houses or you know, at video rental stores. and just assume that I had seen it or would see it I have never seen this fucking thing. and I tell you Um I still don't know what it's about. I know. It's like fifteen movies in one movie. Jordan, I don't know how you figured out a summary for this to follow. Yeah I was thinking that too. I was like, you know, maybe this is my ADHD or something. That's what I kept thinking during it. I was like, I hope Jordan is Okay neurotypical because I am not able to follow this. Well no, but I you know, that's interesting. that of I. I I um you know, something that I've noticed kind of rewatching these boothhs as we've done for this show Um is like they're heavy on vibes, but they don't make a ton of sense.ight? Like he's just kind of like He's maybe a little more into just like cool set pieces and how to kind of string it together with a little story and sometimes like it doesn't matter how we get from one area to another. Yeah. I watched this and this is pretty crazy and goes to a lot of weird places, but I was like, I think this makes the most sense out of any Don Blue. Okay Mbe maybe like You you're looking on Lant forord time is pretty clear A to B and, you know, maybe I tend to think that's because like Spielberg and George Lucas were producers on it. so maybe they're like, Hey, Bluth, maybe let's try and keep this a story that kids can follow. Let's keep it simple. Yeah, exactly. Yeah There's probably a mouse in that to begin with. Well There aren't mice. What if it's about ancient mice? All right, Blut. Yeah come on, there's mice. There were mice in the time of the dinosaur. and that's what kids want to see a movie about Ill I'll make Duckie fuckable f. All jokes by the way, for those out there who are going,, that's a minor. I know it's a dinosaur cartoon. I get it. Also they aren't real. Yeah. So they aren't real. Yes Eolution Eolution is not real. Yeah you guys didn't know We all know as my Christian neighbors told me as a kid that dinosaurs were made up to make money for the museum industry. Oh, I love that. That's great those museums raaking in. Horrible right wing conspiracy theory. Yeah. That's the cut oilel big museum. these huge industry Which are like publicly f. I know, yeah. like what fucking cooped like just' d It's fine. doesn't mean there's just just say they'reible. That's what people do now. They just Yeah, they put them on the fuckking arc if you want to. Well guess what? I actually asked Rhett about this because they are, you know, former like expert. well, they're also pretty expert Bible. Rhet re Rhett and Link, goodood mythical morning before they became YouTube guys were like set out to be youth pastors. Yeah, like evangelical entertainers. but u They're also just very they're like scholars of the Bible. I guess there's reference to dragons somewhere in the. And so people thought that U dinosaurs were wereere the dragons so they thought humans did exist. Yeah of the dinosaurs in the garden of Eden. Yeah I feel like I saw in Jesus' camp or one of these like, you know Eangelical Christian documentaries There's something called the Behemoth in the Bible and they're saying that whatever that is is a dinosaur. So maybe that's what the dragon might be what he was saying. I forgot how Red it explained it, but he was like Yeah, it's in the Bible. There was a guy with an acou guitar singing about how the behemoth is a dinosaur. That was like the name of the song, I remember and I was like, okay. so I'm glad they figured out a way to reton the Bible to There's like evangelical museums the enemy of Oh shit. the right wing.. But the Cabazon dinosaurs, which are the big kind of fiberglass dinosaurs you see in Pewe's Big Adventure. that are out here in kind of southern California, that it was just a, you know, roadside stand to advertise a barbecue when they bu But then some evangelical young earth wackas bought it. And so I went to it when it was a young Eth museum and just it's so fucking crazy and all this shit about Noah taking them on the arc and like I love it. You know, cave people doing paintings of dinosaurs and stuff like that Anyway it has since been by right thinking people. No it's a regular dinosstaur museum. But there was a little pocket where it was a young Earth whack aoodle show and I got to visit and it was But I am glad that now it you contains fact. That is crazy. I did not know that at all. I visited them too Oh nice. didid you see it? do you think you went to it when it was and religious or It was just like in twenty twenty. I went. Oh, I think it maybe it had. It was normal again? Yeah, like I didn't see anything that looked kind of Christian forward. normal again now. M or maybe I just wasn't looking hard enough and I just went, ooh, rocks. L I didnt in the gift shop, I was like, a, Rs Anyway, seecret and Nym, it starts It starts out with perhaps the sweetest words in the Free withith Ad language, a Don Bleuth production, The only sweeter words directed by Paul WS. Anderson.. We get a bunch of cryptic lore stuff with a mysterious character writing in a magic No one draws wordy hands better than Johon Blleuth. Yeah. Sorry to interrpt just head there Nope, no, nope, they're great. theseese are some great Don Bluth hands and yeall. this kind of like widardy magic stuff is really, really cool looking. There's a shot where you can kind of see the the you know person or whatever who's writing in the book. you can see the reflection in the amulet and that's like a very cool already shot. But, you know, he's saying a bunch of cryptic stuff. He says, Farewell, my friend to someomeone named Jonathan then We go to a farm where a bunch of Cute, very cute anthropomorphic mice are crawling around on a big, very sinister looking farm machine that's just like covered in random spikes. Whoever designed this farm machine also designed the spaceship from a event horizon. just random spikes. real dangerous This is Mrses. I wrote down Bisbee, but I think it's Frisbee. U I thought it was Brisbee. I thought it it's Yeah, it's Brisbee. I turned on the closed captions for Okay. I think'sris. May in the Maybe I think I Googled the books and it's called Miss Frisbee in the Rats of the game anyyway. That I'm going to call her Frisbee Yeah she sounds like something you take to the beach around. But it's definitelyiss Brisby. It's Miss Brisbe in the movie. version of seecretive. Let's say We'll go with Brisbe. It's Brisb. I mean, it so it is based on a book. I wonder if the book is as fucking crazy No I wonder. Yeah. So yeah, so this is Mrs. Brisbey. She's our main character. She's talking to Mr Mr. Aegis and she's talking about who's another mouse Okay, the mice in this name all have generic people names. They're like Jonathan and Jeremy just name There's a Justin later is Justin. Very weird. Anyway. she taled to mis. Aegis. She says her son, her son is sick, her son little Billy. is sick. So he takes her to a like laboratory. It's also seemed very event horizon to me. I'm like is this guy trying to build a portal to hell? That's a I want to see that movie. There is some portal to hell like supernatural stuff in this a Bluth loves a portal to hell. Bluth lo He loves cartoons in hell.'s I mean, there's there's always a devil that's like a dog devil. was a dog devil. It was a dog devil. Um So yeah, so he so he's building he's building something in there. he makes a little medicine potion for the kid's son. We meet a silly Billy Bird voiced by Dom Deloise who is like so fucking good at like cookie cartoon characs. Well doesnt change his voice, it's just great. He did all dogs go to heaven Itchy, Yeah Was he am I wh am I thinking of? Was he who played the seagull in Little Mermaid U was that not him as well?. It's probably not budy ha bud Budy Hacket. Another fucking just great, great voice. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Yeah. so there's a silly crow who will pop up voiced by Dom Deloise kind of hits on the mouse later. It's a little weird Anyway. so he's making a love nest. He's gathering like strings to make a love nest, but he can't he can't find a bird to settle down with Um We get a warning about a cat, a villainous cat. This is fucking Bleuth also hates cats. I guess if you love and want to fuck mice, you hate cats. m a lot of sander. There are no cs in America right Thank you. That's straight up I think that is a, you know, cruel Dogs go to heaven. All dogs. I know who go to hell Yeah, what the hell is with that Oh, I have to tell you guys the thing. That's Angels. I also just watched the Aristocats and yeah that slughs. But Jenna Purdy friendriend of mine, also mythical good Mythical morning, just got a kitten that she found on the side of the road. And' seeing this little guy on inst stick a ro. I went to visit my sweet nephew Um it's named AB. I can't remember why, but I call him Bubba Fings Oh my God, I can't mayaybe I'll share some pictures on the gam because please do Jesus it's so fucking cute. Love a kiden Kitten Yeah what is the there's the Reddit the cat delivery service or the cat distribution system It' kind of the theory that like cats will just find you and that the you cats will just give you a cat. What happened to her? She was like traveling in So she had to rent a car to drive back from like I can't remember where they were somewhere in the south. but so she drove like a couple of days with this kitten to bring back to LA. Well Don Bluth wrong on wrong on cat, I think we're fans, but his cat position we just cannot support. Right on fuckable mice. wrrong on t. one hundred percent yeah. I mean, it's like Trump. Gy's not right on about everything. Yeah, ex. You can't be right all the time. C' be I mean can't be right. how vulable mice Anyway. So So yeah, there's this mean cat named Dragon who's kind of like lurking around So yeah, so the little the Mrs. Brisbe goes back to her kind of mouse house. She has she talks about their the kids aunt is taking care of them It's a shrew kind of a funny. hated her. Oh, he didn't like her. I didn't like the shrew. Well the kids. She's just one of those, I mean, she's a great character, just like one of those in your business constantly complaining, but has like you know, down a good heart. She wants the little mice kids to be safe, but she also wants them to be little se nut herd. And I think there's a little bit of racism going on at some point Sure. Yes. You mean against mice No, against the crow. Oh yeah, there is a little bit. Yeah. yeah, ye I didn I didn't catch that explicitly Oh yeah. well just certain she is she's bigoted. She's a big. She's very bigoted Yeah. I mean, she's a shrew. What are you gonna to do? And we cannot we cannot support this shre. Noatter how funny her little voice is. Then okay, this is kind of where it starts to get Lucy and that it it becomes a little bit harder to follow what's going on. This is when we cut to the humans in this world. We're basically thirty minutes in and then we're like, okay, and now there's some human characters. I think they're the tallest people in the movie, obviously. Tallest guys Yeah because they They're talking to each other about the National Institute of Mental Health, NIM and they're talking about how the National Institute of Mental Health is calling around about It's about rats acting weird so we get that little thing and then we don't We don't do anything with it for a while, but it's this weird little that they drop confuses you. I missed this. I missed it too. I didn't know what Nim was. I just kind of went I waited for most of thevie. I'm going, what the fuck is Nim Okay, so this thing Yeahah, so NM is is a human organization. They the, you know, it's the National Institute of Mental Health. It's like it's from a fucking Stephen King thing. Yeah The kind of weird genre stuff going on in this I like really, really like anyway, but you get this thing and you're like 's going on? Why are there people? anyway? All right. That that's happen now. That's how I put all the pieces together. Okay. Okaykay Um, So yeah, this is so we go back to Mrs. Brisbey, she wakes up Pussy fully out. straight up. Just soy, so hot. Mouse to. Oh yeah. And she's single. And she's a single momy. need a new daddy and that's me. I'll raise the mice. right. Oh my God, what are we I don't know. What are we? You're just you want a son at all costs. That's right Three mouse children. mouse mus. have son You must have sick Mouse son. Gotta get it. So we find out that there's a ticking clock going on. There is a tractor coming. They live in in a farmer's field, the tractor's coming, but we can't move the kid because he's too sick. He's got pneumonia, which is like I thought maybe he was it was gonna be this specific kind of like sccarlett fever. I don't know kind of thing. I was like pneumonia. likeike come on kid. I think you can hang. but I, you know, it can be bad, but It is kind of ny for It is like it can be bad. I know, but it's just kind of shocking for all this drama of this movie to be a kid with pneumonia. But ye, I know I know pneumonia kills and it's bad. But also the The fact that the tractorors coming and everything, I felt a little bad because you guys know I worked at this The bone store. Y It was called Necromance and it was a natural history slash oddities store. And we made earrings and jewelry out of prairie dog feet So and they would come to us in a big package from a farmer who like once a year had to ow up the prairie dogs because they make holes in the, you know in the ground and then the cows will break their ankles and stuff And it's bad. So they once a year they cull All the prairie dogs, which are like they're rodent, so I'm kind of, and then I get all these feet in the mail and I'd have to match them up by size to put them on ear. what a job. I know. I was feelings to man in LA It like a Tim Burton character. Yeah straight up. And I mean well, I've told you the bat story how I got high on formaldehyde, but like it was but yeah, so I felt kind of bad. I was like, oh no, these are the little things I made I made jewelry out of. Exactly, exactly. You know who would be mad at you Harry from Harry in the Henderson. Oh, I know. He would be very mad. Yes that's true. Yeah crush your head like a melon. That be a funny like if there whoever makes those like R rated Winnie the Pooh movies, they should do an R rated Harry in the Hendersons when he enters the public domain. Yeah just notices the family has a bunch of taxidermy and then just rips all their faces on kills him or do the movie exactly shot for shot, beat for beat the exact same way then in the scene where Lithgow is like get out of here. He just kills him. Yeah. He just kills John Lithgow and the whole family because he, you know, he hits him Sure. Oh yeah, he just rips them in half. Yeah just rips them in half and it's like, oh shit, I should have like an adolescent chimp Yeah turns on its own. Exactly. Yeah. min he's all zannied out. Anyways, Secret in. what happen? C us, Hollywood. Yes, call, We got ideas. We have so many great ideas They' ideas They are. They're ideas. So so we have to like figure out how to move the family So they say to go there's like a wise old owl who lives in a creepy tree. This is this section of the movie is pretty much like never ending stories. just go see this guy, go see this guy's this guy. So they go see an owl who's like Very cool looking. He's got a cool looking creepy tree He doesn't really do anything other than tell her to go see someone else. go see the rats of the rats who live in the rose bush Yeah I just have I have one clip from the Owl in which she just says Why have you come? because I saw a fuckable mouse. Yeah That's me answering that question. Owl. Well one thing the Owl does do is let us know about Jonathan, her dead husband. I assume that they're dead So he gives a little, you know, he's like, oh, you're the wife of Jonathan. Well, okay,ll I'll help you kind of thing. So you're like, who the fuck is Jonathan? And we will find out Yeah. so they yeah, everybody she meets like at some point mentions Jonathan Yeah, it's another just normal ass guy name that they give to this mouse. Um So yeah, they go in the rose bush and they say ask for Nicodemus and I'm like finally a fantasy name for this name. I'm like good, it's not he's not just Charles or something like that. It's G Yeah Greg, the wizard mouse. Doug will show you the way. Do you think it's kind of based on the name Nostradamus, like or something I thought I was thinking I was thinking Nicaderm You know that's pack was on your mind. Yeah I need a Nicad Old Testament Bible name, Nicodemus.ed his wife into assaalult or something. Oh all right. I know a lot. By the worirdos? So yeah, they go into the bush. It's also really creepy and cool looking. They get chased by this kind of rat guard who has this kind of crazy electrical fantasy weapon. That's really neat. That's like a fun chase scene that doesn't have much to do with the story overall, but is very cool Um And so yeah, so that's and so the guy the whatever this dude's name is mr. Aegis is in there and he shows her around the bush and that's when he kind of meets Justin. The guard mouse who is very Disney Robinhood. Oh yeah. and a good voice too. His voice Oh y greatreat voice. Yeah, whoever's doing this VO performance, it's fucking perfect. VO performances are like Don Bluth in general, I think has some of my favorite VO performances. Yeah they're great. He's great with actors becausecause they're not over the top like even, you know, Dom Deluise in this, he's got the silliest character and he's not going over the top with it ye, but everyone else pretty much has like this I don't know, it's like Cadence is very human And it's and it's everyone's kind of softer spoken. Yeah There's something about it that's like it's like an ASMR thing. It is, but this is also I think probably the most serious like Don Blue sure. otherther than Land before Time. But I'd say this is even more serious like Yeah, yeah. But this is, I mean, it's got a lot. Yeah. I mean, this one this is a good portion of this movie is just people going, Oh, hi, Miss Brisbane, sorry about your dead husband. Right. There's a lot of like your husband who is dead Thatatch one the dead one is very sad But yeah, the voice is just very soothing Even the hlees. That's just in the mouse. Oh also the Dom Deluise crow is named Jeremy. No. What is with the J names? Sky ass name Um Anyway. so we also then we also just get this Weird little lore drop that we didn't know about until now that there is a rat named Jenner who is consumed by a lust for power. So we have just, okay, Jenn's out there somewhere who you've not met yet. At this point, have they done the exposition about what is going on Oh. Okay. All right. ye.re We're almost there. We're almost to kind of to the what's going on like and we're into this kids movie. Right R. Yeah, so we meet the rat cououncil. There's one of them that's wearing a powdered wig that's really funny, but I think it probably qualifies as the worst. Yeah worst Very nice. We learned from the Rat Council that the NIM rats have been stealing electricity from the farmers and that's kind of like the big issue in their society is do we steal electricity or do we become independent? Again, this is dropped on us very late in the movie, but apparently it's like tearing the rat society apart. andner is the big like, let's steal electricity guy and all the other rats are like we can't steal Um Anyway, that doesn't really go anywhere matter that there's a a fight going on within. I mean I guess that it's supposed to be like these rats are moral and good, I guess, is it Right Yeah. and I think I think, you know, Jenner is very much a Carl Weathers from Predator. He's like a succeed at any cost. It doesn't matter, like you just have to survive. And then, you know, the other rats are kind of like we have to look out for each other. So you know, these are big universal themes. Meanwhile, I'm watching this going Miss. Brisbee's son needs medicine. Can we? Yeah, I know Can we just look after the sun for a bit? Yeah, and we figure out get this far. Didn't she just need medicine You know They need to move him though. They need to find a way to move him without him being exposed to the open air because open air will kill him I guess I thought that when you're sick, a little bit of air is a good thing, but maybe half of your mouth. different from mice might be different from mice. Yeah. We meet Nicodemus, he's the sorcerer from the beginning who's saying all the cryptic stuff. We learned that Jonathan Brb misses Brisby's husband, so Jonathan Brisbey just to mouse with the first and last name. She doesn't even have a first name Yeahah, I think they just call Mrs.rispy the whole Interesting. So We learned that he died while trying to drug the farmer's cat. Again, our hero was trying to kill a cat. so that makes him a hero But he also like kind of helps a bunch of rats escape something and mice because they there's the messed up, I know that this was like a traumatizing movie for some. and the most traumatizing part is the NIM like that Initute Yeah. was it we get experenting. So we get the reveal of like why anything is happening. So we get this big huge lore dump from the from Nicodemus. So NIM is a experiment facility. I think it's going under the National Institute of Mental Health. and they were it's a crazy animal lab, rats, mice, we got some monkeys in there. We got some dogs, very, very cute animals that they're doing experiments on. and the rats of NIM mutated and became super smart and then could read and I'm like, we have all this sci fi shit they're dumping on us now. Yeah. This is awesome. Yeah. That's when I'm like, Ohh, I love and it's yeah, I mean, it's like the Stephen King fire starter shit. They experimented on these rats, they're out and now they're looking for them. They don't get into that at But apparently the NIM organization knows that there's superpowered shit out there and they're trying to get it. I'm like, do I need to read all these books? Oh there is there a bunch? is it a series? because there's I'm like I kind of want to yeah, it being so weird and unexpected like this really like kicked it up for me. I like start paying attention more. Yeah, but the other thing is like is it was the experiments the reason why they have One with magical powers and a magical amulet? they asse so? Yeah. smmart that they are able to use magic. like Right. Or is the magic science? Like or are they you know, I kind of like that element to it too. They think it's magic, but maybe like they're giving them X men powers. They the amulet is just crack, like Yeah. Yeah. They're just really high Yeah. Yeah, they're all just like twitching in their cages while the story is going on. What I in their heads. What I found interesting about this part and I wasn't sure how to feel about it. I was like on the one hand, I feel you, Jordan. there's something exciting about like, oh, that's a cool origin story about like these mice are super intelligent. On the other hand, I'm watching you know, one of You know, hundreds of tounons in which there are anthropomorphic animals who talk. I'm expecting animals to talk in cartoons. The fact that they now go, o, this is why they can talk is very very strange to me. because I'd never seen I think a cartoon where they needed a reason. like why here's why Mickey Mouse says hi and works a job on a steamboat. It's like it's usually just like, I don't know, It's a cartoon. It's cartoon. Yeah. can they read? Well, right. I guess that's the thing is they're reading, but also they're putting on clothes now. There is something like, you know, as soon as they're able to read, they're like, oh, cover up those mouse tits.ure. They can read the Bible and learn shame But leave the mouse pussy out. Yeah Okay so yeah, we're kind of like We're almost at like kind of act three here. We get this big reveal. Why don't we take a break and then come back for some more Hey Max fun listeners. 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I don't know She got it rubbed off on her with her Husbands come That's right. You can get superpowers ye yeah yeah everyveryone knows that you get superpowers. Oh come. I must be I must have superpowers more than anyone else. E looking can fly turning business Pportal speed and strength of a spider?gene Greay is the Phoenix. Oh o this is, this is where you Phoenix Forst. Yeah Um So okay, so the thing that's going to happen is that they're going to move the Bisbee' entire Ah So that's the plan. All the mites are going to do it and then Jenner is going to do his evil plan where he is going to sabotage the house move. and use it to kill Nicodemus So anyway. And the house is in a cinder block. Yeah, they live in a cinder block. so they have to like move this cinder block. So mres Brisbee goes to like do the job that her husband couldn't, the job that killed her husband. She goes to like oison the cat, which again, I can't get on board with.s Which did it seem like they did they needed to because the cat was lazy as fuck. Like And the cat wanted to go in. the cat wanted to going inside Yeah They're gonna kill in its house. It's in the house. You don't need to kill any. I agree. I think that fuc brood. The rats of Nim are the villains of this movie. Yes Dragon, the one eyed cat is a hero We have no choice but to stand is that. stand So so she's kind of doing this thing where the little kid puts her in a cage and she's trying to get out and kill the cat while the other rats of Nim are like hoisting the house with a pulley system Jenner has this little lagoon who comes with him who ends up being very important to the story who's like, no, don't do it, don't do it. Jenner cuts the ropes, It squashes Nicodemus little sword fight with Justin Hot Hotot I mean good He can work the sword. Oh my gosh then you know, we think we think that it's over for them, but then the the buddy is like Jenner's random buddy gets aconscious and throws a knife and kills him. Yeah. But there's Nicodemus high body count for the end of this thing No kidding. I trying to remember if any other Don Bluth Movies have someone getting murdered I mean, I guess All dogs go to heaven. Yeah. The mafia dog gets eaten by the alligator. No, that's it's the mafia dog gets eaten by the alligator. looose. There is some murder in these. A T rex kills you know, little foot. Oh ye. Mots mom. That's true, but that's just animal instincts that That's true. I guess is that murder or is that just the circle of life? Yeah, this is this is rat on rat crime. That's true Yeah, it's fucked up for food 's doing it because the love of the love of blood That's right So then we get this kind of big sequence where the The house has crashed but it's going underwater. and so all the kids are kind of trying to swim out. This is fucking great Bluth here. It's so cool. He does such a great chase sequence. He does a great race against time and then the thing that we all expected to happen amulet that Jonathan told Nicodemas to give to Mrs. Brisby gives her the force. you know. And then she uses Force powers or Poenix powers to lift the house out of the water and it the thing and they't really talk about what happened or why or what the amulet was or why anything happened. It's aice nice little hurry it up moment for kidding. D you say that's a DusX Machina sure it is.X necklaceon. Yeah. Yeah. I mean Yeah. And then it makes you go, why weren't we using this all the time And yeah, Jonathan, if you know that the necklace has the force, he just wrote a little riddle on the back like the key to unlock the just door. What are we doing? Say it has the force. Yeah, say it has the force. Kill. I don't know if you want to kill the I don't want them to kill the cat. if you need to, you can just force crush it, I guess. Yeah Yeah. Yeah. feelels like a bonehead move by a dead husband Classic dead husband So, you know, they move the house, the Dom Deloise Crow meets the real sexy lady Crow and they like go off That was cute. off with the little with the little rope together. I'm wondering if that is actually how Cows Well, they like do this thing where they fly like in little loops where they like cross each other. Oh really? I think that might actually be how they kind of I love that if kind of a m a ming dance. I love crows Cros, ravens shit. thoseose are those are my those are myor things guys. Yeah smart smart, they talk They're awesome yeah, that is the end of the secret of NIM. no. Now it's time. I mean, this whole episode's kind of been the hunk watchatch will officially do the hunk watchatch. Yeah. It's Hunk Watch. ye. An any I mean, you know obviously. It's Justin for meune Anybody else still worth talking about? It'siss It's Miss Brisbee. Miss Brisbey. I mean, like I said, this is a core childhood memory, fuckable mouse. I've been attracted to those that type of proportion, you know, ever since. And sexy cape like Sexy cape? Yeah, sometometimes naked Yeah, You know, just just everything about it is Justin and her didn't even kiss at the end. I was like, they're clearly equally attractive. They should be kissing, but same chemistry. Yeah, single mom, come on. Ws too hard. doesn't want to be a stepdad. she really is Well might be a fuck boy. might be a fuck b That's true. But this really is like that Reba song goes in there. I which Riba saw? A single mom who works too hard and loves her kids and never stops. Oh yeah. I don't know much about Reba, but that sounds about right. Yeah Who do you want to talk, Jeordge? ye Well, like okay, is there anybody other than Justin that it's worth talking about? Maybe not. No, that's yours. Okay That's Yeah Cartoon Mom was kind of hot Yeah for a couple minutes, cartu mom pretty when she's yelling at the cat about how lazy lazy. Okay So that's true. would not work out between me and cartu. I don't think you know. I mean, the crow is like not hot, which explains why it took him so long to find I know.'ly. It was hot for a crow, maybe like crow by crow standard. Bicow standy. might be pretty good the old what do you call it? owl? He's pretty hot too and like a Yeah in a d way. Yeah kind scary, crackling with strange energy kind of Yeah. just imagine him domming you saying things like Wh have you come? You know when you He hasn't given you permission yet. Don Bluth or Dom Bluth, right Dom Delise Say something about that, I guess. Tell your kids about this podcast. Yeah, yeah, fun podcast to listen to to get ideas for movies to watch with kids.. All right, well that's the hunk watchatch. 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Yeah Now I'm a minions guy. I like their weird little fake Spanish language. But no, I mean, you know, it was for me, I for some reason, maybe it was the way I was watching it or something, but it was the Don Both that was the hardest to follow for me. So Um, I would not um relish watching it again, but I would say that it had it had its moments, especially etically that I found really amazing and kind of wish I'd been able to llow it a little bit better, but yeah, I love the voice acting. I love the way the animals look I'm giving her a solid five Yeah, right. Emily, what do you think? I agree with Matt that the voice acting is Absolutely superb. And all of Don Bluth's animation always looks beautiful. And I find that like the physicality of the characters just looks more it looks prettier than a Disney movie. They Yeah, he's so great with like motion. I think that's why those chase sequences are so good. Oh yeah. Yeah. So you can tell like the stuff he cares about. Yeah. it's the bleakest Don Bluth I've seen so far Um didnid't find it to be a fun watch because it's kind of like scary and sad. but Yeah, its I'm going to give it a six just because of the craftsmanship, master craftsmanship of making this movie is so gorgeous, but I don't want to watch it again U mayaybe I'll I'll come out the I think maybe I like this the most. I think I'm going to go seven. I think if I like The Land Before Time is the Both we watch the most as kids. so that one to me will always be Both Goat. But I think this is a better movie. Wow. Yeah, I kind of like all the weirdo sci fi stuff in it and yeah it's so fun to look at. Yeah, I think, you know, if you're An adult with no kids in the room. it's maybe not not something to run to. But I think this would be a fun watch with with kids, you know, if they have a high tolerance for terror and sadness. L like the millennials where when we were kids, they just made us scared of shit all the time Yeah, makeake your kids in the little millennials. makeake them in the little girl bosses by freaking them out with a cartoon Um Yeah, I like this a lot. I think it will be interesting maybe when we've done all of these to do Blutoth power rankings This might be my favorite Bleoth. I don't know Um All right, let's do a little plugin. Anybody got anything? I'm about to launch my own YouTube channel. Hey, okay. This is news. tellell us more. Yeah, it's gonna be called the Anticraft and it is some like fun arts and crafts things that I don't know how to do, but you will watch me struggle through it. And maybe we'll learn something together or maybe we'll just see me get very frustrated. I don't know