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Estequatro de Julio Eloos, Aura stacquareinco Porciento and Electro domestico selectos. Aemas, Auroenta Dolres anduna Parriiaa selecta Char Royo performance series, Aura Dentos Domente Medolares. Nestraor selection Eaki and Los. Loos Notrosuamos T Auras Mitosostacato Eistenceia selectionariaolo Gares and Los com Visita to Loos, Mascano, Antono Avenue and North Bergen Welcome back to Gabbing with Kib I'm your host, Giipbs and Johns and today on the show we have Louis Pitzman back on the show. He is a writer, a podcast host And she is helped me break down the latest from in the city, the Valley and nextxt Gen NYC. Those are our younger shows that are airing right now and I haven't talked in depth about them in a minute. So I wanted to catch up on some of the stuff that we've missed in the latest episodes. You know, we're talking about these, you know, obviously as the summer house Scandal and interest dies down a little bit. I don't think it's going completely die down, but you know, it's dying down as interest in filming for seeason eleven of course has never been higher because usually The show starts filming fourourth of July weekend. That's what they've been doing I don't know if it they've been doing that the whole time or just for like the past like, you know, seven years or so, but that's been the schedule Fourth of July to basically Labor Day And this is the first year in a really long time. they did not start filming on the fourth of July weekend You saw a bunch of summerhouse people out in the Hamptons this weekend Jesse, Carl, Kyle. I think KJ was out there. Bailey and Levi were out there. but that was not for filming. They have not started filming the season yet or at least in a big way. they have not They have not gone to the house yet. They were not staying at the house. They did not have their first party You would have seen more evidence of that. And I think that some of that Some of the sleuthing people have done is probably correct in terms of insinuating who is going to be back on the show, but it's not fully correct But I expect filming to start this weekend. I expect a lot of people to be out at the house to have a first big party So that will be That'll be interesting to see. But you know, I think that you know, when Sierra, for example, was announced as the Aftersun host, people figured that was going to get in the way of the summerhouse schedule because they usually start july fourth. Well, they didn't start july fourth this year. and Aftersun, I think is officially done. I don't think there are any more episodes of Aftersun for Love Island. So Sierra could theoretically be back in time for this weekend We don't know her travel schedule. I'm not going to get that in depth. But you know, Mia also was not out there this past weekend. and Lindsey was with Gemma and Eron Lashy from Rony with some kids and other moms elsewhere in the Hamptons. So I think this weekend will be the big the big kickoff from what I understand but it was kind of thrilling to see so many of them out there. And you know, they were also palling around with like other people from other Reity shows, Southern Hospitality people Ava from Nextet NYC, who I feel like all signs point to her and Kyle at least like sort of maybe hooking up or seeing each other. I don't know, but they hang out a lot. Jesse was with them, Carl's with them Kyle was also spotted canoodling with Sally Carson and she confirmed it was that weekend. I think there was a big nylon event at the sururf Lodge and that's why a lot of those people were out there for that event So yeah, this is just a rambly get excited for summerereouse filming content, I guess to come through. But also remember, like a lot of the cast, like they hold a lot of their content um to post while the season' airing as those, you know, with their weekly dumps And I'm guessing that's sort of like a production ask or a network askks like not post too much from from filming at the parties. I'm sure you'll see stuff from other people who attend the parties and when they go out to dinners and go out at night. but Don't expect we'll see from the house, which isn going to be a new house. That's why Kyle posted that sort of end of an era post on Instagram a couple of weeks ago that maybe that made people think he was leaving the show. He's not leaving the show but that was sort of to commemorate the long run they had in that house. So I don't know the exact group's going to be there. I know some people, I know there are gonna to be some new people, but I don't know the full list and there ares some people who I still don't really know what their status are. and that's kind of intriguing and compelling and I'm kind of excited to to see what happens. And I hope we get Sierra back from Viji ASAP But yeah, that's its that's about it from about Summer House up top You know, they have to turn this around pretty quickly every year and I'm always impressed by it You know, I feel like, especially because of the interest in this season of Summer House was so high They're still sort of like winding that down and I don't know if it will completely wind down before seeason eleven starts filming, which is unusual Um, Yeah, it's going to bleed into each other, I think with Summer House right now, and especially you know, within the city existing too Anyway, this is a very rambly intro, I'm very sorry. but Keep listening for my chat with Lewis Pitman, all about in the city, the Valley and next Gen NYC Check out his podcast supportpporting Aresses wherever you get your podcasts, and please make sure to rate review and subscribe to Gabbing with Gib. We'rever listening to this right now We'll be back a couple more times to speak I want to gab All right, today we're gabbing with Lewis Pitzman. He's a return guest to the pod. He is a writer, he recaps various shows for vulture throughout the year and he's back on the show to talk in the City, the Valley and Nextton NYC. Lewis, thanks for being here. How are you Thanks for having me. I'm great. We discuss off Mic. It's a little bit hot. We're surviving. We are we're survivors, I would say. It's a hundred degrees. and as if I don't know if listeners know that like Most podcasters, I think, have to turn their AC off when they record in their homes because of the background noise, which I have to do. So I'm like, I'll be sweating by the end of this.'ll I'll be shiny This is why podcastasters are braver than the Marines. L peoplee don't realize how much goes into it We put up with a lot to do our jobs. So let's start within the city. I feel like this was by far the best episode of the season so far, I feel like it was sort of activated things and it kind of reminded me of like the the Dallas trip on Real Houses of Atlanta this past this current season because it's sort of like there's so much happening and it I feel like it's going to fuel the rest of this season. I don't know how much longer it's going to be, but like good It felt like they were they were figuring it out you know. Yeah. I feel like it was the first episode where I was like, okay, maybe this show has legs. like I mean, I have enjoyed parts of it previously, but I think that it's just It's been tough. like I amm so tired of anything Kyle and Amanda that I'm just like very turned off by that. I just like can't take it anymore. and then I think It's a really big cast. Its the cast is maybe too big and I feel this might about next genrend, which I know we're also going to talk about, but I was just like I needed to see a group scene where everything kind of came together in a in a like a interesteresting way, which I feel like we finally got And where it was it only Kyle Amanda Lindsey Danielle like really carrying it. Like they still carried this scene, but like everyone else chimed in in ways that were I was like, okay Like people are learning Well everyone chimed in except maybe notrea but more. Andrea lies say anything because I feel like they were just sitting there. I'm not sure. I'm not sure about if they really contributed much We'll get to the valley in a second, but like do you feel like the valley cast is too big or do you not feel that way about them I don't know that the Valley cast is too big, but they are they're very fractured obviously. It's a kind of a different problem I feel like in the city, I sort of, I mean, Summerhouse has a similar thing where they sort of overcast the show and then as the seasason going, you see who emerges as a main character. So you have like someone like Bailey who was not Bailey, Levi I already forgot Levi's name Like last last season where it's like is is like there and like technically a full time cast member, but like basically ended up not on the show. It just happened to like most men who've been cast on Summerhouse. L I think it just sort of naturally develops and I feel like within the city They cast, it's a really big cast people like Sorry, Andrea and Lexi are just sort of fading to the background. And Katie Dua is like, I guess on the show, but She's a friend of and she's literally only there to give Amanda a friend, I think. but like I do think that one of the things in the city you will have to figure out is like they clearly and I know this, like they for a lot of the casting, like they wanted couples. They wanted people that were basically like a two for one. and like, Sometimes that's great because sometimes you find a couple where both sides of the couple are This And ye, I think in the city case A few of the couples like one of the people in the couples like really works and the other one feels like they're just kind of there And so I don't know how they figure that out. But Ily don't need to make both people full time cast members. I think that the value of having like a full couple for every cast member is kind of like overred Yeah, I mean, like obviously if you're in a relationship, we're going to be seeing both of those people at like group events, but like, I don't know, like I don't know that Yvonne's husband is someone that like I need to see much more of I mean, Evon is a separate issue, but like there's a bunch of people on the show where I'm just like I don't really know what they're doing there. And I feel like it's I don't know. like I think Kenny is, despite my feelings about him early on, like working out as a cast member veryery much. I don't know if I don't know if Whitney has star quality. It's not it's not really working for me. Yeah just because you were you got out early on the bachelor several years ago doesn't mean that you're going to be a great Bravo star Yeah, I don't mind her being there. I just. I don't really need like solo scenes with Whitney. Yeah, totally. I agree. I There's a way to do it where they can be around, but they don't necessarily need to be full time cast members whose stories were really following Obviously we'll get to the dinner party, but like there were there were a couple sort of scene setting moments that happened before that. The boys meet up with Lindsey at the Garret And it's funny because at first with the Garrett I was like, okay, why are we always fucking filming at this bar? I know it's Gavin's. But but then I sort of I'm reframing because I'm like it's actually kind of fun if they can make it like a watering hole type place where like they all kind of come to hang out as a grou But essentially it's like they need Lindsy to come in to like Do the Googling on Owen, Danielle's boyfriend And um I guess it's to get to the bottom of like the timeline on the divorce or the or when he got with Danielle. but you can see where sort of where this is going where like of I' just going to get back get back to Danielle that the Googling was happening Well, if Messy Gavin is there, it's always going to get back to whoever's involved. But I just I don't know. like I feel like I don't understand the obsession with the timeline. I'm also triggered by the word timeline in a post summerhouse situation. like don't want to hear about a timeline ever again, but I I don't know like I just I just feel like this should be a sort of an easy thing to answer and I feel like they did answer it in this episode. So I don't know. it just feels like a weird There's like a lot of unspoken stuff happening. likeike how much was Owen being evasive about before I wasn't entirely clear on like how much he was withholding and how much information wasn't available. And like do you think that like, are they trying to they're trying to find out like if he was with someone else when he got with Danielle. Yeah. And that should be easy enough to solve, I think But I don't but but I think that Danielle and Owen are doing themselves any favors by not just saying, okay, we went on our first day or we first hooked up on this day and Owen called off his marriage or they separated on this day. You know, it's just I agree. it shouldt be that complicated, but It's funny because this becomes a whole thing obviously at the dinner. and like Danielles upset, everyone's digging into him. But Danielle's the first person to bring this whole thing up on camera, which was like there was a blind item or something on Brav and cocktails about this whole situation And she's the one that brought up how upset she was by it. And so get sort of the follow up from kind of the rest of the table, which is like, okay, if you're so upset by it, just shut it down. Like as you said, give us the easy answer. because also like if you're going be on this show You gott to like be open about parts about all parts of your life, especially parts that you're bringing up yourself on camera Yeah. I mean, I o and as someone else who does not need to be a full time cast member on this show. I I I I do get all that. And I think also like I don't know. I just I just feel like this this whole thing with Danielle, there's something unspoken here where it does seem like Lindseay is annoyed about her being on the show at all, which sort of came up in the fight. and so like The other part of it where Danlle is like, we don't have to share this with you and like, we don't sort ofue this and then Danielle Defenders online being like They don't oe anything. I find to be such a weird perspective on reality stars in general because like of course, like no one in real life, no one owes you this information about themselves, but if they're choosing to go on a show, then of course like that is part of the agreement. that is like part of the bargain. You You get the fame of being on reality TV, but you aren't allowed to be like none of your business 'ause that's just like not an answer. especially Y other cast members, Kyle demand are basically sharing every single detail about the dissolution of their marriage. Lindy's talking about how her and Turner didn't work out. You know,, even Kenny and Whitney are talking about their relationship a lot. like If everybody else is also doing it, it makes it kind of highlights the contrast and sort of highlights you not doing that and you not going there being that much more kind of unwelcome You know Yeah, I do wonder though about someone like Gavin because I have seen people online being like I don't know about his personal life. Like why is he on the show like being messy and not telling us about himself And I do understand that perspective, but also like I enjoy a chaos agent. like I enjoy someone who's really just there to like be a bone collector and cause your traama So like Yes, he seems like a really shitty friend. Like he seems like he's not someone I would want to like share my secrets with I'm enjoying him. like I think he's fun Yeah, no, I think that I was not sure about Gavin either. too me, Gavin and Georgina are a little bit more like friend of vibes where like maybe we get hints of their of their personalized, but like I don't I'm with you. I don't need that from Gavin. I think that Gavin like He got things popping with Kenny and Whitney. He's getting things popping at this dinner table where he brings up the Kyle and Amanda argument over like Kyle's drinking a worse factor for their marriage than Amanda's smoking pot And like that was sort of and he brought that up. And like That's partially why this episode was so good. That's partially why Ivana Nicks third wedding dinner party Thd Wedding resulted in such chaos. like it's You know, you have to appreciate that You you really do. It wouldn't have happened. he's He has like really good producer instincts. tootally He' like making sure he's like constantly kind of like saying out loud what the crux of an argument is, like what the conflict is and then being like, how do you feel about that? Like he's basically like, I feel like he's in a confessional with someone. He's like ask him the producer. Yeah exactly. I feel like he really gets it. But yeah, Geggina, I totally forgot about until you brought her up, which is not a great sign. I do feel like with her, I don't think she's dating. So I don't think she's like holding back anything. I think she just doesn't have that to share. And I think this is also a problem that happens on the Valley where it's like How much of these shows want to be about like My kid is a dirty, dirty diaper or like, you know parenting stuff. They're trying to kind of hit that demographic of like of younger parents but also they want to be about messy dating stuff. So I think it has this like there's this sort of central conflict within shows like in a city in the Valley Yeah, I think so too. And again, I'm I like Georgina's little parenting funny stories, L they kind of actually stand out to me on the show I think that's a really kind of good role for her to play and I don't like if she's not dating, then great. like let's just keep it sort of at that When you're a maintenance engineer in a beverage manufacturing plant You keep production lines moving and quality on track because there is no room for slowdowns With Granger's vast selection of high quality motors, sensors, belts, and hard to find parts, you can get what you need fast and all in one place, so nothing gets in the way of getting the job done Call one eight hundred Ganger, click ranger. com or just stop by Ranger for the ones who get it done. Lindseay and Kenny met up before this dinner and like I thought it was a really great scene. they talked about their relationships with their parents and they'd previously really been like really adversarial with each other. but I kind of view them as like Obviously Lindy' an incredible reality star. I think Kenny has the makings of a really good reality star. I think he also has like He pops on camera and he's messy and he isn't afraid of conflict. And he's also open about his life and like I could see them having a really sort of straight back and forth like love hate situation, like over several seasons basically. I that that could be a really compelling set upp for the show. Yeah, my unpopular opinion about the Kenny findighting his dad thing, peopleople were like, oh, it was for the show and it was like, you know, he was doing a storyline and I was kind of like, I mean, he has good instincts then. likeike he He created a compelling storyline that made that made people who were so anti Kenny be like, oh, I suddenly feel for him.. They're having to sit down with Lindseay and talking about it. Like Lindsey has always been really good at you know, at key moments showing her vulnerable side because she does seem, you know, she can be really harsh and she can be really cutting. And then she like lets you in a way where you're like, oh, she's a real person. She did that. So she's like doing that with Kenny, but also with the audience to remind us like that she is a, you know, a three dimensional person and not just a reality icon. Right. But also then you, I think did you post this on threads where you're like, she does that. And then she also like kind of makes a statement about Carl that like a lot of people probably wouldn't agree with or something where was like I don't know if that was me, but I mean, I've certainly agreed withbody I said basically like Lindsey is really compelling because she can have this like, really incredible moment where she talks about, you know, her mother abandoning them as kids and like kind of how that impacts her as a mother And then also she'll say like, and Carl also abandoned me And like it it's a comment that I'm sure a lot of people would agree with, but also a lot of people would not agree with that. I that's kind of like why Lindsey and Kenny are both great, which is because like They can also like be like these lightning rods that people do not agree with But then like the next episode, like you said, she'll have this really emotional moment that reminds you of like why you do love her I mean, Bravo bandans have gotten too soft. I think. I agree in terms of you and I in terms of like You don't have to always like or agree with what someone is doing on a reality show. I say that while acknowledging that like I'm not enjoying amanta at all right now. L I just think that like whatever enjoyemment I got out of Amanda in the past, like that ship has sailed. So like there's a point at which someone she's like a fun villain to me I don't want to see her somewhere else I'm glad she won't back. But I feel like with Lindsey, like I often disagree with Lindseay and that's fine. Like that shes she's great TV. She's always great TV. Yeah. And I like her even if I don't agree with her and that's that's plenty for me. I don't need her to be Perfect When it comes to the Amanda thing and not enjoying her Do you think it's just like a post West Wilson scandal mindset that we all have, do you think it's because like we're not getting the things on Summer House that we would get, which is like her in bed with Sierra and Paige and Mia or like you know, occasional actual fun moments with Kyle where they're like at a party together and like giving each other shit. likeike what do you attribute that to, do you think I mean, it's definitely just I think a lot of it's fatigue from the scale and how overcovered it was. It was like it just was too much. I think that and also just like She's just kind of miserable. Like I just feel like, you know, her and Kyle, like when they're when they're arguing like at the the the dinner the wedding party, the third wedding. Like they're both wrong, you know, like they's I'm watching this and I'm like I just think you it's so clear that they were never going to get back together that there was no saving this marriage. And so we're just kind of watching it fall apart in a way that it's not like to me. I can deal with like explosive drama. I just feel like they're both so unhappy in ways that I find off putting. Like what is the storyline? is just been watching Right, There's no levity and there's no resolution. And so we're just watching them fight and fight and fight until someone finally pulls the plug Right Yvonne and Danielle Rress conversation. Yes, Yes. whereere did you land after the episode Okay. think The photo that Danielle sent was misleading. I think that photo was very mlead. was oversaturated, right? It was oversaturated. green in the background green. The tell the play in the background. And also if you're texting a bride to be like, is my dress okay? Your dress is not okay Unfortunately for Ivon, like once you say love, like it's sort of you can't complain about it. likeike yes It was Daniee sort of like pulled a fast one on her, but she gave the go ahead. so I think she can't complain about it. I'm really intrigued by avon because I actually I like her. like I enjoy her presence. She seems fun. She seems of person that I would like want to hang out. dry humor. Yeahah But I think it's tough on a show like this when you have personality like Lindsey like Kenny who's emerging that way. like Kyle, who' so big. And there's such a big cast. like I do feel like Yvonne's getting lost. And so when she's trying to kind of like reclaim her wedding party, it was like a little bit sad to me because I was like, yeah, but we enjoyed this more because it wasn't about you I think that with Yvonne, there're is there's more t that she needs to show on the show. And I think that like Clearly, a lot of this cast has needed sort of like a slow build to figure out sort of like how to be on camera. and I'm hoping that like from this point forward we see like the fruits of that waiting period basically. But I agree. like I even think that like her like kind of bring it all back to herself like is not even didn't really feel like her it sort of felt like maybe like the producers wanting her to do that. You know what I mean? Yeah. and like her having this conflict with Lindsey, like I don't, I just don't entirely believe it. Like Im I just feel like if you're that close to like Lindsey Hubbard, like you've probably had other moments where she pulled focus and that's like part of the package deal to me. likeike that's that's why that's why have a friend who's that like dynamic and, you know She's a star. like you have a person like that in your life. You understand that sometimes she's going to pull focus. So like Yvonne being like, why why did you like make this not about me? It just feels a little bit like I don't I don't totally buy that she's not upset about it. Right, right, or right. The dress thing, it's hard because I wish Yvonne had not responded. love, like go for it. But also like the picture does seem way pinker. L the you don't want to light on camera. I know, I do sort of want like at the reunion some like I want like some sort of forensic analysis of that photo to prove that didn change the color because I don't believe that it was I think that the picture that she texted, I don't I kind of think that none of them realized that the saturation was up until viewers spotted the play the background. Yeah. So I think that that might be have to play out on social media or something or a watch happens live appearance. Yeah, I feel like that's most of the in the city. I do think that Lindseay sort of breaking the fourth wall and being like, then why are you here to yell like that I'm so glad they kept that in. I think that that is as your colleague Brian Wilan always says, S fights are about the show and it does inform so much of what we've seen so far this season when it comes to Daniell Lindzy Yeah. I mean, I think that early on like I know the shows hasn't been on that long, but in the first like two episodes with Lindsey's reluctance to like sit down with Danielle, to me it was like, I don't want her on the show. I don't want I don't want to like, it's less about like it's less about like the friendship and more about like, I don't want to invite her back into this world. And I think that like I don't I like Danieelle sometimes. other times not so much. I think she's good on TV. She is a personality that I enjoy. but like I also think that Lindsseay has very valid reasons for not wanting to keep doing the dance with Danlle that she always does. L it's the same thing over There's a lot there. There's a lot there. I don't know how much will come up, but there's a lot there. and I think that like is a thing with Danielle where it's like especially in a huge cast full of people who don't have experience on reality TV like Danielle does stand out because I mean, she was a she was the point of a lot of that conflict at that dinner. Again, one of the best episode, the best episode we got this season. And like points to there being valid reasons for to be there just for entertainment purposes alone. And so That's how I'veat. And my last question for you. do you agree with Danielle that Lindsy only wants her as a friend when she's when she is like wants to be basically be her lapdg and like support her and not not criticize her Um, I don't know because I feel like Lindssey deals with like I feel like Yvon comes for Lindsey in like smaller ways or like why are you dating this guy? you know, what are you actually looking for? L, I do feel like a real friend Lindseay will take it from. I think Dan Yo alwaysways takes it too far. She's her own wor seentim me. She's had like like Danielle and Winterhouse should be studied for like one of the most embarrassing performances. One of the wor seas onene of the worst Bravo seasons in the last five years for sure. Totally. That was a true nightmare. I think that there's maybe some truth to it in that like Danielle for a while was just like there to support Lindseay and not say anything really. And that was how she stuck around for so long, but I don't think that's like Lindsey's main problem I think Jy all like sabotages herself and also like Lindsey when she gets bored or when she's like in crisis, which happens often enough. It's also like if you aren't close off camera and then like every time you do come on camera, you're coming for somebody, then it's like, okay, like you can't like say that I'm your best friend, but then also come for me and not talk and like we don't really hang out outs of filming. So like that's sort of what I take from it. But yeah, I'm hopeful for the rest of the season of in the city. It's a short season, right? And there's not any I'm pretty sure it's like nine or ten, I want to say, I want to say. that I think it's a one or two part reunion You know, the show will get a second season. There's no question in my mind. likeike it's it's The summerhouse effect and I'm glad they're going to get time to figure it out because like A show about people in New York. in their thirties and forties, like I want to watch that show and I just think that they can They can figure out the cast in a way that works, I think going forward. would I would just say that it should be not additive. Like don't add more people just cut the dead weight. I think that they have a habit of trying to do. they always want to add for a new season and like If someone naturally joins, whatever, but I just think like there's too many people. you can get rid of, I'm so sorry, Andreane Lexi. you can probably demote Georgina and Gavida Fs up. Like there's ways to just cut this down The last question about that for you Be I kind of feel like Brav's bitiding their time. for someere house to film, see what the temperature is like around the show and the scandal in a couple of months If West and Amanda are still dating at the end of August Yeah. and in the city' gearing up to start filming. Would you want to see them on there together Do you think that's going to happen. What's your read on that U goodood question. I don't personally want to see it. I think The problem with West is that like he has no credibility left. like It's not even like he's shitty to women, like he is, but like the problem is that like I don't trust anything he says. L he has lost all credibility. We're like Yeah, totally. What kind of arc can we get from him at this point that we wouldn't just assume as bullshit? And so I think that it's very hard to kind of see him on a show again and care about him at all And he's not even like someone who is a good villain because he just like shrinks down and shuts up when he's in conflict. Yeah So like I don't really, I mean, I think that it would be probably smart for them to keep Amanda around in some way, especially if she is in a better place when they film again. like if she's not She was just such a mess. such a shell. Yeah. Yeah, it it's not and like that's not fun to watch. like If she's in a different place and like she and Kyle have real shit to work through as like people getting a divorce, then like I'm not totally opposed to it. Me neither. But like we can't I don't know. I just feel like's hard. It's hard. It's hard. likeike I just like what is there That storyline is so dead. It's really tough because as Bravo, you know, as our production, in this case, like of course you see the ratings and you're like, how do we extend this And Vanderh Rules learned the hard way that like you don't. You just like can't, there's no more story there. There was no Moving forward for Arianna and Sandoval But like, I don't know, like Pya and Amanda have a real relationship that will continue But like is there more with Amanda and Wes? I don't think so Yeah And it's like, that's why I'm like, do not put Mha in summer house. Like I don't like we don't want to be defined. I don't want this whole show and ecosystem to be defined by this scandal. And like I also it's hard to imagine. West kept calling I think in two different places he's said like it's like a time out. Yeah for him It's just hard to imagine that like Bravo is also not just like pissed at him and production is not pissed at him. I'm sure for going to do the doing the whiteboard thing, talking on his podcast He's shutting down on camera. Like at the end of the day, it's just sort of like he's also pissed off so many people that really, really matter and make those decisions. I think that's true, but like I do think Bravo doesn't ever fire anyone forever. And like you have to really like you can sue the network and still come back. L I just feel like there's I agree, but it's been it would have been three months just the summer. Totally Oh yeah. no, I mean, him getting yes, him getting fired from Smmerhouse for the season like absolutely makes sense. I think that it's unlikely he will be on in the city next season But I I mean, never say never. I do think I like Bravo putting some pause is annoying because it's usually just, you know, a BS way of saying cancellled, but like they do bring stuff back, they bring cast members back. They really just kind of see the temperature. And I think if they feel like enough time has passed, And people want to see West again, they'll bring him back. Right. It's like I can imagine a world in which You know, they have this season, they have this season of Summer House where they have some of the OGs coming back, Sierra make appearances. them all permanently in the city the next go round I could see them putting an Amanda and West drop in summer House for season twelve That's sort of what I have my It could it could happen. I mean, I I also am just like, yeah, summer House is a real question mark for me. but I agree with you. please don't add me. I am so I saw a post today where it was like she lost her job. They should add her to the summer house. and it's like That's not pity invites to reality. I don't get my job. She wants it too much. like And Sierra won't be there enough, it seems for her to have a connection. And also their connection is based on also it's all they do is be talking about West. L I talking about West. and it's like they were talking about how they really wanted to hang out, but it was all about like ab spite, which is just like they both need to like move on from West. And we need to move on from West. Yes. All right, let's move on ourselves to N Alley back up, we're in Port of Viarga and Well you and I are both usually like sort of Janet apologist. Like we kind of we see her reasoning in a lot of situations. And so I know that's going to really piss off a lot of people listening and And's and I'm okay with fes I think the one thing I will say that I'm having trouble with Janet She does need to stop running away from conversations and scenes And the other thing is her texting Britneany in real time about what they were saying That's where she doesn't really do herself any favors. because I'm like totally, she should have just waited til I got back to the hotel She keed with Brittanyy in her room and then told her she didn't need to like send the warning text basically. The warning that was like, it's so bad, you guys. R exactly. That's where it's like Janet like or yeah the other thing comes to mind is at the Vegas party at Schwartz' when she was like, the Charles Manson comment that she made. was like, that's just like the wrong example, you know? Exactly. but I also like when I saw that in the preview for that episode, I was like I can't help but love that she is her own worst enemy. L the she always all the time But like I it's not that I always agree her. I don't have to like always agree with with the reality star. I think what frustrates me is that Janet is not the one perpetuating Dany thing at this point. Danny's behavior is what's perpetuating this conversation. Janet and Janet's also right that like and Michelle pointed this out that like everyone has a problem with Danny, but no one's saying it. Brittany also does not like Nia or Danny and won't just say that. And so like I think Jenna gets a lot of the blame, but like there's Lala does not Lala is not into these people Michelle is assigned to these people Brittneany is definitely into these people and talks a lot of shit about them. And like that's totally fair. And I also thought that like It was right for Janet to tattle about that because like it was really messed up for Kristen to be like,, these people all have drinking problems. However, the editors really were like It was a really big like fuck you to Britneany to make sure they included how wasted she was Because like she's like crying about Kristen calling her drunk and she is like incoherent at that bar, which was abolutely a beautiful touch Um But yeah, I mean, the Christen thing is weird too because I think the unspoken thing, while that's spoken, Jasmine and being like, Christen is not friends with these people. She's like rid or dy for the people she never sees outside of filming So what's the deal? Is it just that much anti Janet sentiment? Like why do you think that Kristen is quadruboling down on this hill. likeike even in the after show, she's going for it. It's like really wild. Yeah to throw Britany and Zach and Jasmine all under the bus to save face for Danny. is pretty wild I do think there's like some deeper psychological stuff going on here. I think Kristen feels very linked to Nia because when they had their kids that like there's some sort of like loyalty happening there. I also think that Kristen has a persecution complex because shet she was so ostracized on Bnder pump rules. Like I just think about like her and Stusy and Katie and how she would get kind of pushed out of that trio and how she was often just like treated like she was crazy and like because she was acting crazy, but she was also right about like everything or she was wr about a lot of things at least. She was right about Sandafal and Miami girls. She was right about Santaal and Ariana, like and she was treated like she was crazy. And so I think that she just like gets it in her head like there's there's a witch hut happening In this case about Danny and she has to be the one to like defend them But like Danny's a nightmare and I think that everyone can see that. I kept thinking about on the party bus when he was being a toddler and like, you know, just the worst in that party bus, like Lacey and Jessse are sitting right there. likeike they hear all of this. like they hear how insane he's being. The pretense that like that they have to defend him that he's worthy of defense is ridiculous And Nia, I think winds him up on purpose, which is like another that I think is not being talked about that she for whatever reason like turns him into that by being like And thats def that's that's to defend how he talks to her. but I mean how he talks to everyone else, her being like, you can't dance because people are uncomfortable was igned to trigger. It's the same thing she kind of the same gene that she has when they were at in Santaa San Diego Santa Barbara, where they were at the roller coat at the amusement park. And she was like, hold my hand, like let's have fun. And like she's so obsessed with how things come across. She's so obsessed with image. And like her saying these things to him when he's been drinking it. That is just not a good combination and like she does know he's not going to react a well of that, but she also can't help herself because she's so obsessed with the image. it's the pageant queen coming out. And like Iory he treated her like shit in the back of that van and it's just It also just goes to show. it's not about him drinking one. It's about how hes when he drinks. And it's also not only like how he treats other people, it's how he treats Nia. It's like it's I know. It's like it's not just like overstepping in terms of like maybe like being too sexual and like maybe touching people unwantedly, but like it's also it' like how he treats his wife every single fucking time he drinks It's happened almost every episode at this point. It's like totally shocking Yeah, I think like It's weird how Nia is making it and her professionals about, you know, when she was like, well, Jesse was really sexual with Jason and like that was inappropriate and no one said anything. And it was like, if Danny like Danny's Sheep's us usingually the word uncomfortable to refer to yeah, sexual discression, which obviously What he did at Jasmine and Malisa was like, completely inappropriate. and yes, we talked about that, but like Lala was uncomfortable because of how he was talking to Nia. That was what made Lala step in. It was not about any that he was being too flirty or handsy. It was entirely about he was being verbally abusive to his wife and he does that all the time. Like that is where the discomfort comes in. So I feel like Ne and Danny are like making it all about the drinking it all about like the bad touching. and it's clearly about his anger and how inappropriate he is. And in that way. and even Janet was like, drink drink all you want just like, don't be weird It's like he's really weird. He's really unpleasant drunk him making comments about Michelle's dancing Because Nia told him that he shouldn't be shaking his hands like It's just gross. like it's just the way that he like deflects at every fucking turn and the way that Nia deflects on his behalf. and the way that Kristen is deflected on their backf, it's really just it kind of like really grosses me out at us. like I don't know. I just really, really don't like it. And like now there'ss and now there's this whole thing emerging in the past several episodes about You know, Jesie and Danny think that Brittney was part of like a planned Danny takedown that Jack's planned. And it's like, This is just such a stretch to me, I feel It is a stretch However, I don't think Brittney is entirely innocent. I don't think I think Jax is an unreliable narrator so like don't take what Jax says, but I do think that like there has been the subtext of like Britneany does not like the book goes and for whatever reason She doesn't want she wants to be everyone's friend. She's not going to actually say it, but like she has never liked Nia. She has never liked Dammi. And so I feel like Even if she wasn't part of a plot to take them down I don't think she was doing anything to stop Jax from doing that. I think that she was happy to have Jax expose them for being you know, That's a good read off. Kind of awful. So I Ially ignorant. Yes, we' fully ignorant. I don't know. I just like I think that like that them trying to make Brittneany like the villain here is kind of silly, but also Brity does sk. But Britney does skate by a lot She does sk by She doesn't but I think the way to get. I think if you really want to put Brittany in the hot seat I think the way to do it is her not not taking a side on Janna and Kristen more often or not at least like like speaking her mind. And also as you said earlier, just not like saying, I don't like Mia and Danny, just just admitting that Yeah like that's I mean's I want to that's where you want to put her on the hot seat for me. and I understand like She doesn't want to get in between you know, that whatever because she doesn't like be she likes to kind of ride the fence, which I understand as a Libra, I get it. But I think like I do like sometimes want to ask the rest of them like, what is your issue with Janet? Because I think like Jannet being annoying is one thing? Like sure, Janet can be very annoying But like are we really just fixated on her using the term sexual assault? which she has apologized for that. She'spiz apologized for the fact that she, you know, sort of used Jasmine and Melissa's trauma for her own aims. She apologized that she wasn't doing it for the right reasons. like All of she's saying that she was lashing out. she was triggered. She lashed out in a way. she shouldn't have like She has apologiz for all of that. So at this point, I'm not really sure what they're looking for from her. I guess to not say things like the Charles Banson thing. But like that to me is more just like her being kind of dramatic and not like a serious infraction I think that they're looking for her to leave the show That's sure want her to do. Right, Right. But like like I it's funny, you mentioned Kristen's persecution complex, which I agree with But like what's been happening to Janet for the past three seasons? I don't know. And Christin has no problem with it. So It's they want her off the show, but she is such a lightning rod that she shouldn't be going anywhere I think that Danni and Nia will be off the show next season. They should. And I think I think that that will happen before Janet will be off the show. Janet like is she's a very, very divisive person It's been fun online like to watch people. be more fanits the season where they're like we, you know, that that they're like, she's there for a reason. We like her, whatever I don't have to like her all the time. I think she's good for the show. And I think that like As annoying as it is to say this, I do think that Janet does have a moral compass in a way that not all these cast members do where I feel like, you know, in terms of her her politics and her overall opinions on things, I just feel like she has a good head on her shoulders and like her being really annoying does not take away from that For me, I appreciate her being there. Actually that moral compass like gets in her way sometimes. L it' almost like that's like why she is way she is and like why she can't help herself 'cause sometimes that is sometimes I w want to be like Janet just like I know you totally laugh. just Yeah shit I just can't move on herself. It's hard because when she was like, I can't apologize to Danny, I'm like, I get you have to. like you just have to kind of do it and move on. But I also understand like if I his behavior in this episode was so repulsive to me like you were saying with like him sort of like, Us that language of disl and like dis sluge shaming, but also in a way where he was like, oh, I'm so uncomfortable to make fun of people who aren uncomfortable about the things that he's done to kind of like constantly use that the trigger thing with La. it's like, you can think those terms are overused, but like they're coming from a real place of like you're being disgusting and like a repulsive man. And there's a reason why people are reacting to you this way I just like can'tagine looking at that man and wanting to say sorry for anything I mean, the way that you described it, it's very trumpy. So like it's it's very that. I say that. It's it is very trumpy. I think that like Yeah, I really don't know. I can't imagine that like Danny and Neia watched this season. I think the show is good for them. But also know like to watch happens live I know, I know, but then I'm also like, where is their income coming from? His acting gig?Question. That' that is the catch twenty two of being on reality TV. I know and I think about this a lot in terms of these shows with like big casts, all these newer reality shows where I'm like, These people are not famous enough to make liivings as influencers forever. Like they could get some deals for a while, but like if you have that many kids and you like even even in Santa Clarita which don't get started on that as I'm from SoCal and I have a lot of thoughts about meving in South Kara. Beyond that, like I just feel like they need the show because what are they gonna to do I agree. He can't be doing that many acting jobs even though Allegedly, one job is what forced him to pull out of Walra Haens Live. I really hope that Andy Andy will ask him about that. I'm sure at the reason. I really hope. so but Andy also like backed it up the next episode of Walra Happens Live. He was like, he had a job. And it's like, yeah, he probably told everybody he had a job. That was such convenient timing. that's ridiculous The other thing that's part of this episode sort of this couple pronged thing of like Michelle having an issue with Jesse showing affection with Lacey because he never showed her affection I'm actually really on Jessie and Lacey's side of this because I'm like interesteresting Michelle had her boyfriend around all last season Yeah we were aectionate I kind of I kind of think she can't really speak to that. I understand the feeling Absolutely. But I think that her bringing up as like another issue with Jesse after like they they keep on getting to like a good place and then one of them brings something up about the other Yeah in a good place. They're be able to travel together. Lacey's there who I kind of love like lets love Ly I love I love Lacey, but I do think she is That was innent she see like she's always seems like she's like really chill and she's like willing to move on move on with everyone but then in the conffessional she's like admitting that she that she like actually agrees with Jessie about all the bad shit is saying. So I think she's I like her though a lot. I think she should like ing going she's like so the thing is like I love when she checks him, but it happens so often and like she's so often like the quote unquote right side of history in the scenes and I'm like Yeah, yeah. She's playing to the camera and the audience. Totally She goes They go back they go back to the room and she's like, by the way, I love when you like said this nasty shit to Michelle or whatever. But that then she's also like getet off the Brittney train. and it's like that's correct. That's the correct advice. Yeah. No, I I think she's very she's very savvy. I hear you on the Michelle thing and I do I do not miss the honey man Like she's having a great season. I'll like give her that it's not it's like not an entirely rational response. Like I don't think that she was making it a huge deal. I feel like she like she was at the when she was at the the gay bar later, she wasn't, she was upset about it, but she wasn't like talking to Jessie about it. You know, she was benting to Schwartz about it, which I think was totally fine. And also was I loved her being like, how do you feel if Katie was like You know, making out somebody in front of you and Swartz was like, I would love it. because it's just like, I think Schwartz and Katie were roommates for like a decade basically. So I don't think it was actually an issue. But yeah, I mean, I I don't I think that she Jessie is sort of right about that, but I also feel like it's it's she's not making a big enough deal about it for it to bother me. Yeah, that's totally fair Last show to talk about Ne NIC were two episodes in. For some reason, they've both been superersized, which I think is because there's thirty cast members and they have to service all of them. That I been watching the after show of Next and NIC yet. I'm not there yet. I have wean off some other stuff first That's a huge time commitment. That's I mean they're like thirty minutes though. I like thirty minutes, but plus an hour of an episode's I say Yeah An another episode of a show. I'm like, I can't I have not done the actctor show.. Okay I really like the show. I've enjoying this season so far My one production note They use the texting a lot and like It's a lot of reading that you have to do kind of quickly. Like things will pop up and I'm like wait, who's talking to each other right now? you know? It's like, yeah, I'm still getting my bearings like the new group dynamic. And so to have these texts pop up that are supposed to be indicative of that dynamic. It's a lot and I think that it's too much What I agree Yeah No, I totally agree. I mean, after the first episode came out, I heard a lot of people saying that it was too frenetic for them. the pacing was just too much and And I was like it's fat. I don't know if I don't know if I felt that way because I was so excited to be back with these cast members. like I lo the first season. So I was just like happy they were back. But then watching the second epode, I was like, okay, you're onto something. There's too much going on here. It's too fast. There's too many texts And I think that I think that again, the problem is that the cast is too big. I really feel like that is a problem that ends up kind of affecting these production choices because they're trying to cover too much at the same time. It's also a show where like Cast members bring their their people they're dating, they bring their friends to things like George's gayfriend has been with her the entire time and then also her boyfriend and I'm just like That's a lot of extra people there all the time. and I don't know that we that plus they added more cast members to a show that was already pretty overstuffed. And Liam sat down with two other friends that and one of them is Spike Lee's son t I mean, this is like' based on in aiipedia, so like, don't take my word for it. But like I believe that Kendall is a friend of and I don't think that Spike Lee's son is. Oh, interesteresting, but he was doing the talking in that He was explained more in that scene, I feel like. He was, but I think he's not going to get confession. I could I could be wrong, but I mean, what it's really giving is that like at the beginning of this season, they were trying out a bunch of new people to who like going to stick. Clearly Rowan six, who we arened to Brooks Shield's daughter, actually like her vibe I think she's again Yeah another big new person. so I'm it's just another person to learn, but like I was kind of into her, I guess. Like I'll see where it goes I'm kind of obsessed with Ava and Gia. We kind of kicked back off with their little fight at the Jamira's birthday party. For all Also two the first two big events are both Amira event. just like she kind of giving main character on this season, honestly. She was underus last season. She now they're really leaning at her. But I kind of love how Ava and Gia are fighting over whether or not Tsa actually followed and then unfollowed Ava, whichich like she obviously did. She obviously did. and she does know how to use her phone, but like sheia' like who has screenshots of this kind of stuff? And it's like, well I don't know, Like somebody who's on a reality show who wants to make a little point of contention who doesn't like you. Like I kind of like how locked in Ava is considering how like out she was the first season I still feel like Av would think she's above the show. She She has a little bit of an air of superiority. I think like La' got to be a villain. I like it. I like it L I think that she should should really like tap into that side of herself. I think that Gia's problem has always been that she wants to be the hero and like she, you know, she and Tsa both feel like they're always right and like It's more fun to be the villain sometimes. I feel like Gia and Ava could both play villain in these moments and it would be very entertaining. Like I'm actually fine with that And I don't dislike Gia by any means, but when she showed a lot of Teresa que qualities, I do have a hard time sometimes. you know, Tally. Yeah I also believe that like like even just like her and Ariana having like the post party sit down in the morning in her apartment. I was like, she seems like actually she's a good friend. Like if she really wants to be a good friend, Gia does seem like you know, good person. It's funny because now we have like I want to say four people vying for Ariana's affection right now. Yeah. Hudson wants to get her back Liam's into her Charlie's like peripherally into her as well. Yeah Shy is into her She's she's the reason for the season. Like she's the girl and they all w. I know then And then Brielle was there and I was like, are we like adding another Brielle' just trying to get any screen timee. She She's sad she didn't get her own show.' beautiful though. I was just like, oh, Brielle. I mean good for her. I she' she's the I mean, she was sort of the breakout star though of last season, right? Like she was the She was the one who was like, I feel like She made the show But yeah, by the end, we sort of got more into Georgeia, I think was sort of a breakout and then Charlie just being so awful was like people loved how he was just like an unrepentant villain. But I feel like Ariana was the biggest surprise because everyone was like, what who is this person? like peopleople have such a bad opinion of Kim, you know, of like that marriage it's just like it's so don't want to touch it with any, you know, whatever. it's it's bad. But then like Ariana was this like ray of light and like was a perfect entry point for the show in that she moved to New York and she was like a good, you know, She's sort of what they were trying with like Ashley on Rhode Island, but like didn't entirely work of like a true outsider coming into this world as an audience surrogate Totally. And like she's yeah, there's like nothing I don't like about Ariana to be honest. and like ye. I mean, rent free is the is her reveal and like the first episode I think of last season that Kim was stealing her money. Like is that will I will never forget that for as long as I live Do you think, as some of the cast thinks Her breakup with Hudson is for the show I actually don't. I think that like I mean I think that she could pull it off. I don't think he could pull it off I don't think he has the acting ability He seems genuinely upset. I don't think he has the kind of like reality background where I believe he could do a storyline like that. I do have faith that she could. But I think with him, it's like he's upset. And I also feel like It seemed like it was, I mean, they they're together now, it seems. So like it felt like more of a break from like a real breakup. Right. But it's like she moved out of the apartment. likeike that's pretty intense like that's You don't do that either. If I were but if I were an influencer and could have like people like white glove service paid for, then I would also move more. So That's true.. That is true. that touche. We also she reveals that Charlie asked Hudson, whose dad is a billionaire for one million dollar investment in his new club bar idea, which he is working on with Omar, Georgia's ex, and it's actually originally Georgia's idea We have to follow One billion dollars I mean, it's Chump changeed to Hudsand's dad. Like ye, yeah, I mean, but who believes in Charlie as an entrepreneur, I'm sorry. Well, no one. And I just like I Charlie would have left the show if he could have afforded to leave the show because like nothing good is coming for notothing good is coming to Charlie from the show beyond the paycheck. Like reputation wise, the show is not good for him. byy it Yeah, what sp I didn't Okay, so last summer there was a direct TV party. that was like all these Bravo stars were there and The either had just been renewed for a second season or like It was clearly going to, but it hadn't they had not started filming or anything And Georgia was there. She was leaving she must have been with her gay best friend, honestly. Like that's probably who she was with And I was like, Georgia loved the first season You need to make sure Charlie comes back to the show because you guys need the villain. I know we don't like him, but you kind of you guys need him. You know, I I said this to her. I had no idea. like hanging out with her ex. Yeah they hadess bad blood But um There's just something about Charlie that I'm like, I'm glad he's there because he's such like an enigma, like such an easy person to like just like not like but like still have be there and kind of be the punching bag. But I kind of also sense that he's sort of making He's going to make inroads with this group again You know, and Aana and Ariana iss that that sort of olive branch, it seems, which is kind of random It helps that they have that they all not all of them, but many of them come from this reality TV pedigree where like they know how to like move story along and they know how to along to get you just you sort of just like get along to go along. You like make up what people said the show keep keep moving. And I think that like, They mostly get that like like, you know, G and Ava could have stretched this out, but they're they're fine by episode. I mean they don't like each other, but they're fineed by episode too. likeike they just like move on, you know, So I think like They're going to like they can be mad at Charlie, but they're going to keep filming with him. So like they have to kind of get over it. I hope that Charlie's right that Brooks is like finding his voice a little bit more on the show in terms of like actually speaking up because you know, he was also kind of one of like the the central characters on the on the show the first season doesn't really mean he kind of is this season, but not as much, I don't think.. And part of that to me is that like For as long as he's been around reality TV and via his mom. like does kind of shy away in the in the heat of the moment in the group scenes, like even at the end, he like couldn't really speak about Ariana and Charlie Yeah conversating, like So I kind of hope that you can step in a little more because I think that like He should Yeah, I did I have to say like like last season, I did enjoy the way that he was I related to his like inability to handle conflict. So like it was funny to it was funny to watch get scenes like totally just like Wilt and like hide, but yet it doesn't make a good reality star long term. You have to be able to kind of like to hang. And I think like again to mention actuallyhle on Rhode Island, like you have to be able to like you could have a season of that, but you have to have to like step up and like be part of the conflict and like part of the drama orr production to seem to sort of reposition you in the group. You know what I mean? Like if you're going to be the leader of a group then you really can't be that way sort of thing. But like if you want to sort of be a connector and like somebody who's there for sort of the fun funny side comments and I'm totally there for that. but I think that like Yeah, that's sort of my perspective on that, I feel like Yeah. And I mean, like overall, I've said the show is too big. The cast is too big, but there's no one that I like want to get rid of necessarily. I'm just sort of like There's a lot of people there's a lot of peripheral characters who are not members. It's just a lot, it's like a lot to keep track of. And I think like then you have people who are like, you know, Reiley not even being there for the first episode was tough where I'm like, you know, Gia being in Jersey. Like there's a lot of like elements where I'm like You have to kind of like be an actual cohesive group and that's hard with this many people Regardless of like their inter personersal conflicts, it's just like It's too many people to juggle. And I think it's interesting thinking about like in the city and next at NYC and like how they both are coexisting in the Bravo verse in New York City different age groups. Yeah, like not that different. you know, It's like it's interesting and they're both kind of facing similar issues, I guess, but I do think that Actually the next GYC is like a deeper has like a deeper stable of people are promising reality stars, but I do agree there's still too many people there. And I also wonder like how much because it feels like now that theyre they're sort of established outside of their famous parents, although Brooke Shield, I'm sure, you know Andy wants to Brooke Shields on as possible. I know he's not like running show, but that's very Andsy to be like, Oh my god, Broo Sields daught. But like I think that I'm curious to see how much they go back to the well of parent stuff. Like, are we ever gonna get a Kim and Candy sit down on nextxt genen? You know what I mean? Like Are they but like do they have enough faith in these cast members they don't want to Go there likeike yet, or are they going to kind of coming back to that because I feel like, you know, for a while this was the only thing we the only Tsa we got was through N Jen, you know now we're getting Jersey back I just wonder if that's going to be more of a thing or if we've sort of moved on from who their parents are For me personally, I would like to keep that as an element of the show. I feel like It really it It's still a reason why we're watching them Yeah and I also just think that there's anytime you can like accentuate a crossover moment for like a newer show It help it's helpful. Yeah I I mean, I really loved candy last season. like I miss candy so much on Atlanta. and I just feel like M And time I can get candy, like also I'm in favor of that. It just adds another element of like this Bg of show plus the plus we have the parents to think about. I don't think define it, but it's like, I don't think we need like, Seth Mark sitting down with Whever hey sit down with Charlie, whver Chie like, we don't need that to happen. is kind of hitting on Charlie but really really want to like have like like a mother daughter lunch once a season or like you know, go to Mar this apartment or whatever and shoot the shit. like I'm good with that. But I I hear I hear you I do wonder if Damon Dash will be on the show again after Ava called him out. We're not paying his rent I mean, he's the I remember when when the bankruptcy thing popped up, I was like, they'd better if fucking talk about that on the show. firstirst episode. I was like, good for you, talk about it. I think that I think her mom Rajor Roy' is going to be on it Becky with the good hair Now get rumored to be back with Yeah alleged allegedly. Yeah, yeah.. Well Lewis has been great. Thanks for him pop around the Bravaverse with me today. we're pleasure. and Yeah, I always like checking for your opinion because it keeps me sane, I think. Thank you. I try. Yeah Are you currently recapping anything for vulture, anything you want to plug before we sign off I'm not currently recapping unless Brian lets me and he's off. I do have a podcast called Supporting Actresses where we're covering season in the films of Gwyneth Paltrro. So I to check that That's going on now. Yeah,'s it's been a lot of fun. So we're doing that And she's always. She's always doing something dumb that we have to talk about. so listen ye