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We're about half a foot deep into Love Island USA season eight, but that doesn't mean We get to abandon digging deeper That' got be someone with knees episodes is a Maybe I'll half a knee half a foot as an name. threeree episodes in is about What are we looking at? O tenth of the overall episode Um Lad. That's maybe an ankle tenth of your body Tenth That's what we do.'t there like fifty episodes. There's thirty some Oh Well, I don't know know, I guess you're right, forty episodes something like that. I don't know Well, we're in it We are in it. But today Yeah, sorry, who hep, hep, hep who hep How are you feeling generally or about law violence of violence. or I guess generally. should do I'm feeling like nothing is real I would say with Love Island though, I'm feeling like it's I don't know. it's still percolating There are some hints that we could be seeing some amazing players doing amazing things in this game We haven't seen that yet And I don't know U last year and the year before. if we had already seen it. I kind of feel like we had. We had seen some things, especially in Rob Rush and especially in Hooda. Well, that was Oh I think we saw kind of immediate greatness And I'm not sure if we're getting that quite yet Like who would you say is the Layia Kateeb of this season I mean, to me Melanie gives strong Lah vibes Um, I don't know like would Leah. I mean, sometimes Leah engaged in some some petty play of callalling Kata Katie, etcetera. Yeah But even that is like, is that you know, the greatness that we're looking for This isn't the great your greatness you're looking for. That was my be no I think I think it's still early. the players are getting their their love their love likes. u But yeah, I'm curious where we're going to go Yeah that's what I'm saying Yes, it's early, benefit of the doubt. Greatness is bubbling Greatness has not yet brewed We are not drinking from the cauldron of greatness yet it's still buubbing That is a little concerning to me, to be honest I don't like, I don't know I don't know. I don't know what we got here in this season. And it's not for lack of It's strange that I'm saying this, I can't believe that I'm saying it but it's for lack of producing. I think the producers have done a really good job here. I think the players are coming up a little short so far. They need to up their their shit What do you think could have been done on the player's behalf. Yeah, like who Who do you think should have done what I mean, I don't know specifically, but generally speaking, overall, there seems to be a kind of There is a trepidation. There is a hesitation to let loose in play. That's what it feels like to me feeleels like we're in this era now where it's like they know who came before them. They know what can happen if you explode out of the show and they are afraid to misstep becausecause also in the past two seasons, we've seen just massive hatred coming from the fourth audience deeath threats and fucks and big swings of like two hundred thousand Instagram followers in a day and all that kind of shit. I'm sure you remember on last season when it was the Mean Girls Club or whatever Wh the hell was in that? It was Aandrea. She was one of the ones who got like a ding for a hundred kids, I think, right? It was Alandria Shelley Hooda. I want No, it was it was directed at Hooda Yeah I mean, there's the people involved Right. Yeah. like The audience is not going to get less intense I I totally understand their trepidation Um So yeah, I'm curious, I'm curious to see. I feel like we've seen that in Bachelor too, where people get so afraid to play But in Bachelor it's primarily because of what the producers are going to do. The fear in Bachelor is a villain edit. The fear in Love Island is the ire of the fourth audience. There's no like I would argue that Love Island At least from what I've watched and I've only seen two seasons, but they were two big seasons They don't Do villain edits per se? It's like It's kind of like the other players determine it though But there was a guy that called Muggy Bike Who called him that? players, the producersers the players The villain edit comes from the second audience in Love Island. That's That's much more rare in Bachelor. But the Ian Sterling as well, like sure, they'll pile on, I guess Um I don't know. I'm just feeling very like, okay, when' the season going to start It has a lot of real nice bells and whistles and it's very slick and it looks beautiful. likeike it has all the things that we really like about love violence Haz a all Except for that standout play. hasn't really happened yet To be clear, we are recording this on Friday, june fifth. We have an episode tonight. So And Sunday and Lues might be eating his words. I think will be. I think he will be eating them. Yeah. I want Yum yum, yum. He'll be choppedop straight up. That delicious word meal I still have faith I do too. I do too. I'm just saying This seems like it's chugging a little bit, whereereas the prior two seasons I've watched, even by this point we werere not chugging. for memory I could be wrong. I know. I'm curious I'm curious when they started chugging in reality. don't know Oh that's said to do some digging here. This is after all digging deeper. Today we got eleven luscious clips for you Some words were going to be eating. We have clipes from a show called The Reality Alert that it gives us some illumination into the end of perfect match, which we completed in our Casag Gor. Last week or the week before, last week I think We have no What's up? Who can know When that was not I I think it was last week. We have a couple of clips from that where we basically are going to be getting backstory on what actually happened in the end of Pfect Match who actually won and how the show was Kind of reorganized to give you a different story We have some clips from what's the reality where we are going to have Hashim on there talking about the ten second blow job, basically, that revelation and how that actually went down. We have some VILs sc some files. And he also is sour grapesing in some of these. so get ready for that. Great. And we have some clips from off the vine where Cayvers was comparing bachelor careers to housewives careers, which could be interesting. We have a clip From Not Married to this, two clips actually from not married to this Reclipse actually from not married to this with charity and Doton. talking about various things related to their wedding and the bachelor Are you ready for this first clip Let's go. So this is from this podcast Reality alert from june first. in it Mcenzie is pulling back the curtain revealing that there was unaired an unaired tie O perfect match. hereere we go Dave and Sophie, I know you liked them. Did you vote for them to win There was a tie brereaker at first. So we all voted for somebody first and then I think it was between Maybe it was it Yayman and thatat and Dav and Sof and that was a tie brereaker. so then we had to vote one way or the other. So I did end up voting for them in the second one, but the first one I was Marissa De Marie But I love them together. They like came in exactly the same way. Like I just came from a show that was very serious and now I just want to fuck shit up and have fun. And they have a similar sense of humor So yeah, I loveved them. Right when Sophie walked in, I'm like, oh my gosh, I don't think they know this yet, but they're gonna get together There was a tiebreaker and they didn't show us, that would have made things more interesting. Why do you think they didn't show it just because Do I like am I allowed to break the movie magic situation? Because the board probablyably not. It's like a separate Oh I'm alled to say that, Max. but it takes time to get to the boardroom So you don't vote for real. like you write it down on a piece of paper and vote And that you know they showed you guys in the boardroom Yeah, after Oh. Okaykay You're gonna get sued fuck. Yeah, you're gonna get su you're gonna millions of people are gonna watch this. Interesting. Okay Wow. Oh my lot of behind the scenes tea there being spilled. So one, the boardroom happens way after they actually do the final vote You don't get the little scene where they go to make their votes. Yeah, just to give you something to watch. So that's completely false. a lie and you get here that there was a tie brereaker that they had to do So basically she's saying the reason they didn't show you the tiebreaker is because when they're all sitting there in that group together passing out noteepads being like, write down your vote will tally the votes. Survivor style, I guess And they they didn't have the wherewithal to be like, oh, we should just shoot the tie in the boardroom and the next vote It's I don't get it. I'm like You could have recreated the tiebreaker also in the boardroom I wonder if they wanted it to be a cleaner vote. I'm all shocked that Mcenzie didn't vote for S and Dave. in the first one after she cried about how forty RR they were in the final ceremony Um, I love this love this reveal though Yeah, att least I guess the vote is real. Yeah, I mean, I think we knew it was real when we had the mutiny of bombshells orselves gave them that win But it's just like, I don't know, this revelation is just like, God, that show is so shitty. produed this is just, in my opinion, more evidence that the show is produced very poorly. They don't get it I agree with what this dude is saying a ty seeing the tiebreaker, seeing T couples Oh shit, it raises the drama of it one hundred percent. Why wouldn't you put that in there It's just because they're like, Well, we've only got one day of shooting left and crram it in, fuck it, make a revote, pass out the noteepads. They surely had the time They. Yeah. I don't. I mean in the edit I agree, someome rituals start with a candle others with a deep breath. 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That's revolve d. com slash roses You can shop our faves and get fifteen percent off your first order offer available for a limited time, so don't miss out Moving on We've got another clip from the same podcast. In this one, McKenzie is talking about a conversation with Chris where he asked her to be in an alliance for more screen time There's been talks about packs on dating shows in the past, and that was a conversation that he tried to have with me the wallet situation. So that was really what sealed it for me. I'm like, uhh, I can't I can't do this. likeike what if I don't like you? What if I like somebody else? I don't want to be matched anymore. So it was like all around odd, comfortable. So he wanted to like form an alliance so that you wouldn't match with other people so you'd have more camera time pretty much Were there other couples that you suspect did this? Oh, I'm sure. but I didn't ever hear anybody else having conversations about it. And honestly, like us girls, we had girl chats all the time. I do feel like it would have come out If it had happened between anybody else? What it? Yeah. Nope, She ain't right on that one. The number one rule of screen time packs, you don't talk about screen time packs. That's my boomering strategy You come in. I mean, if you can make ay eyelish for Yeah, it's my Billy eyelish, you' boom more ext I gott to get Billy Eilish off the show to talk about how she stole my booomerang strategy. Billy Elish I trademark boomerang. She's like, the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, exactly. She's like,? who is this? Who is this? actually get this number. My team just told me I had to come on a podcast Um The idea that First of all Chris is coming to her saying like, let's do a boomerang. And she's kind of shitting on it likeike, Well, what if I didn't like it? Whatatever It's like, come on. She played Squid games. She doesn't get this. This is all fake U U No sure The other players were in these packs and she would have known about it because oh well, all the women got together. We all talk to each other all the time. It's like, motherfucker This season probably. People who made these packs before the camera started rolling Especially people who are already in the Netflix reality universe and have been to parties together and know each other to some degree and are in the DMs. As soon as you get the call, we're going, I'm going to be on perfect match You're deming whoever you think might also be going into perfect match. Are you going on the show? or you going on the show? and you're trying to make that preseason alliance. That's how you literally win the show You're telling me Yeayan and Natalie didn't at least implicitly have this conversation. one hundred percent Yes. Okay. And then the implication of this host, this guy, I don't know what this what this show is, but I'm into it. I mean, I' start watching this guy. But the implication that's like, so wait a minute, he was just asking you to do this for screen time. It's like What else do you do anything for in reality television? That's the game God, she could have gotten that fancy wallet and more screen time I know. E the season Drop the ball But it is interesting to go back and now we're a week out, I believe, again, there's some dispute about when we actually concluded pererfect match Season four, but I'll never know It's interesting to go back and watch it and as much as I'm saying like, o, Love Island just it isn't bringing it yet to watch Mcenzie never got this shit. I'm just like, never mind. Well vol another love. Look at how spoiled you are clues. Good, L Lord. We just have liive this Trinity do it Daylight savings defense. We have the Holy Trinity. we have. Um Well, you did have claws on perfect match. That was my favorite. just. Holy Trinity so far though I think is the moment to be on the camp season of Love Island We'll see if it happens. All right, let's move on We've got another clip here AKA, the third clip This comes from the official Netflix reality universe podcast known as What's the Reality? In this clip, we have Ally getting into Hashem's revelation about how they They never talked about it and expressed frustration that he apologized to Jimmy, but not her. Here we go I don't know. I'm trying to make it haveave you talked to him about like what the hell? why'd you do that No huh No. And just he knew I was really upset too. I think So there was no conversation after he dropped that Well we talk. We're good. We just never talked about that. Yeah. It took me a while. I was really upset that night. Looking back, I would have done things differently, but Yeah, I didn't like that he brought that up. I like Damn We adjust Do you think you'll have a conversation with him about that? or you just kind of letting? Yeah, I kind of wish I do. Sometimes I choose to just be like forgive and, forget and be passive about things and like whatever and just like move on. you know, if ever the chance was there, I would ask like, why did you do that? But I do think also at the end of the day, like it's a show And Yeah, it's a show, but you are also was like really pursed a level of discretion. Yeah. lady. like Thank you. Okay's not like you didn't, you weren't sprawled out in the living room for everyone to see. L your personal business is your personal business. R. And I do think you are owed that level of privacy and donon't let anybody you. Thank you Yeah I did feel very like there's like there's a line I feel like on these shows where people kind of cross And it like it's a thin line. Right. But I think people get caught up kind of like caught up want maybe a moment. I'm not saying he did, but I think it was Or maybe per't I don't. We don't know. why I don't know. And I think maybe if you feel the needs to just kind of be like, why the f did you do? Why did you do that And also like to never apologize Give ourdes to Jimmy. the fact like sh it out of me. I was done. I was so done. It's your business. Yeah, yeah yeah. Sorry The fuck are they talking about You're owed privacy. She did it on camera. We saw it Under the duvet Wh cares? What do you assume? There's not cameras under the duvet We saw her go under the fucking. We saw her do it. They showed us the foot. we didn't. I'm sorry. This too me, this is pro wrestling When you're like, you're owed privacy and no, no, no, no no, you're on a fucking reality show everything is shock. I disagree hours a day. Disagree. We don't see them pissing shit. We don't see what's under the duvet. There's a line. We don't see them pissing shit I've seen Asley Kany piss. I heard them talk about her creamy Caesar Farts in the boom boom room. That's close enough. We saw Chad Johnson shit his pants. Maybe he didt, maybe didn't, but we saw it He said he didn't Okay, we saw a Christian on sururvivor shitist pants. We do see those things. We see everyone dred that Okay. Be so that's dirt Uh I am saying Sleucian I'm invoking Suciian protocol When you sign on the line just dotted to come on these shows, It literally in the contract says, you forfeit all privacy. They can use any way they want get to say what happened under the duvet. The duvet is the C of silence I disagree There can be an implication. I disagree Jimmy could be like it seems like something intimate happened there. Yeah I think that's fair. But I disagree. Revealing What happens under The invisibility duvet is or TWR Totally agree with Alli on this one Did you know she was about to say production in that one sentence? Yep. Maybe U I don't know what influenced Asim. Yeah exactly. I mean I'm sure. I'm sure producers like you got to drop this bomb. If you want to come back for season five, you got to go out there and say See you What did she how did she put it I seck as Dick for like ten seconds? She then offered the information herself. In the moment he was pulling it out of her I don't even remember the exact conversation at this point. It was like we were intimate. you need to talk to her about that. I think that's a fair point. She was the one who said I secked Dick for ten seconds. She could have been like, we can talk about it later or anything else. we don't know what base he made when he did that. that have been I he made the gave the board onion with C in chief. He just gave the eyes that said You know. Mbe. look I will die on this fucking hill. When you go into that arena You will play the game And that's the game Anything that happens in the arena is part of the game Only the two people who are involved in the ten second load job belelowa duve get to say whether there was a second be day under the duvet I agree and they both did He kind of forced it out of her. He made a play. She made a counterplay and divulged it by saying ten second Pob. He said we were intimate. That could mean anything That's what we saw on camera. who knows I'm just saying to this idea that you have privacy on a fucking reality show,