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Call one eight hundred five two six seven seven thirty six to learn more. orr visit trmpharadio d. com Hello everyone. Wlcome to another episode of Good Hang. I'm very, very excited about our guest today. It is a superstar And that star is Matt Damon. Matt Damon is joining us, Boston s own, so good at so many things such a professional and in the peak of his career in a huge movie. And we're gonna talk about a lot of things today. We're gonna talk about long lasting professional relationships and how important they are. We're going to talk about Hating pranks Um Loving a little bit of reality TV. We're going to talk about shooting in caves and working with giant puppets. And we're going to talk about the Odyssey, the new film that is out, the giant new film by Christopher Nolan that he is the star of He plays. Odysseus, He's on the journey babe. But before we get to talking to Matt, we are going to talk to somebody who knows our guest, who wants to speak well behind their back and give me a question, ask them. And we have a great get. We've got a little indie filmmaker named Christopher Nolan. He is on the rise. Keep an eye out for this kid. He's doing great work. And Chris Nolan is joining us We are very, very excited to talk to him. and See if we can We can get them on the Zoom. This episode is presented by All State Checking all state first could save you hundreds on car insurance Not checking how long that recipe takes before you start cooking? Well, that's how you learn that simmer for four hours is buried halfway down the page Checking first is a good idea. So check Allstate first for an auto quote. It could save you hundreds You're in good hands with all states Potential savings vary subject to terms, conditions and availability, All state North American insurance company and affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois. It's nice to meet you ice to meet. Hey are you pouring some tea I am do anything without tea. I also am an excessive tea drinker. What's your brand? Oh brand I see. I enjoy a black see who makes your Earl Greay Uh twwinings I see. Have you heard of berries, tea But you don't like? I would say that I wouldn't have upset the Irish contingent. But every country, every nation has their own particular blend. Twinings works for me. Well, thanks for talking today. I'm very, very excited to talk to Matt. Congratulations on Another incredible film. Thank you How do you compete with the imagination of people who have read and studied the Odyssey. I mean is It sounds like you're competing with the idea of the Odyssey in a way. I mean, you can't and I learned this, you know, we all learn this who worked on the Dark Knight trilogy. Like you couldn't compete with people's idea of that amazing character and time seenty five years of history behind it. This is three thousand years people imagine it. Doubing his word So you can't compete with it. what we realized addressing character of Batman. and I brought that very much to the The Odyssey is You have to trust that what people want from you is you will most sincere attempt to do justice to the material to do it with as seriousness and with an appreciation of the original text, but it has to be your own interpretation. Certainly I as a filmer, respond to that and other people. If I go see a movie and I realize that people have loved this and have really try to give you an experience and try to put something at cross in the way that they really believe is great. U I think I think people cut you a lot of slag for that because yes, you cannot compete with people's own imaginings when they read in text. If we are to care that Odysseus makes it home, we need to care about the person trying to make it home. We need to just feel like they even care about home And there's something about Matt as just an actor, I think that's innate in him and able to express that. What made you cast him in this film Well, you know, I'd gone to nine or ten other people by the time I got that end on No, the truth is I actually don't think about actors when I'm writing. I try not to. I try to really just just live through the characters and the writing process it. come out the other side and go, okay How is this going to work? Who are we getting for this? Matt really immediately popped into my head because You're looking for this what you're talking about, that kind of empathetic ability to draw the audience into a character's dilemma And he has that openness He brings the audience with him, but he also can project an iconic frrankly superhero presence. I mean, he' You know, he's the guy from the Marsh and or we bought a zoo and then you know goodoodwill hunting and then he's Jason Born. And to be able to do such disparate things and sort of fuse them into a character. It was exactly what what I needed U I also worked with Matt twice before and I knew that the way we wanted to take the sn and What was really important to us in making that Odyssey was to try and get out there and F find a way to bring the audience with us, put the audience on the deck of his shit climb mountains and go into the Csyclops' cave with him. So, you know, I needed a partner. I needed somebody who would leave from the front and just dive in and do all of this crazy stuff without complaining about it and he's just a He's in such a wonderful place in his life and career. he really appreciates what he gets to do He understands how good he is at it, I think, you know in a really comfortable way in a really great way. and he just leads from the front. He gets everybody inspired with him. And I think without that You know, we would have crashed and burned horribly. She sent from b From a practical point. You can't have an Odysseus complaining that it's cold or it's late or and I mean, you put him through the ringer. Put him through the ringer and what's fun about where he at is You know, he's a great wrider himself. you're going to have really, really specific and detailed conversations about a script and about how we're going about things But he also doesn't he doesn't talk for the sake of it. You know, he doesn't want to just use use asound important he his other ideas to about the character He sort of goes off and figures out who he is And then brings that to the floor, which is Yeah really fun to do with. Well, he has to go rest because he has to work out a thousand, do like five thousand situps a day because you're insisting on making this, let's face it, middle aged man. Yeah, he' exactly the right place in his. his time of life and everything to do it. And I actually had a of A a moment with him at his first wardrobe fitting this We'd been feding all of the supporting cast, all the guided players crew and some younger actors and everything and they all come in and they've all got tattoos, which is a nightmare for a period film. It means hours and chakers. you have to cover all that up and then put the costume on and then rain and wind and you costum you will rub it away at end I you know, and I thought, o, where is and bat, you know, he takes a shot off the fitting and he's got a fucking tattoo. And I was like not you as well I what And it was, you know, a very small tasteful tattoo, you know, N of his children and all that, you know, and he said toly well Ifough to be perfectly honest, I thought my bar bicep days were over I I Fair enough. The truth is I think they're just beginning, but you know So a little extra time in chair. Do you have to physically train to get ready for a film too? I mean, it is exhausting to be directing you like do you do Do you physically train when you're getting ready to go on set? No, I don't, but no, it's actually kind of a natural process of it because what happens before you shoot the film? On a film like this is you start jumping on planes and getting in vans and driving all over the place and you you go off to scout to find these places. And I do that with my design and just the two of us, we go off and gradually we add people to that group and we make multiple trips, but we cover Th thousand thousands of miles and we're just constantly climbing up hills and you know all that and the first couple triils Oh bad, you know, I'm like well, not optimist. Like how you? And you're doing that thing where you're like, I know it's beautiful, but maybe maybe yoube something a little closeer to the hotel. Yeah. Eactly. Well, congratulations. It's just such a triumph and everything you make is so incredible. and just what a career you've had. And And I ask my guest a question from someone I speak to beforehand. and we talk well behind their back and then we ask a question of them. And I want to get to that. But just one last thing before I do, which is Your wife Emma Thomas is so instrumental in the stuff that you make Such a bad ass So incredibly talented. And I don't really have a question other than I just want to remind people of Europe Beautiful union. I'm just thinking right now, I wish I'd also leave the room before I did the interview because she heard all that, s. Ea, Emma if you' there I will never hear the end of it. Emma I mean, just like You're such a bad ass. I's never gonna forgive you for that me I mean, it's so cool how you guys work together and what you do together and how you work together. I have such great respect for Emma and her work Well made to No, that's really a loveary thing to say. That's all. I mean, no question other than how, isn't it great to be married to such a cool lady? It iss very great to be married to such cool lady. It's very great to have such a great producer on the films. I mean, you take something like this it's like it wouldn't It would be really unthinkable without her calm, clear Did they know We'll get through this, we'll find a way sort of sensibility. So thank you for bringing it up. Yeah, of course. So do you have a question you think I should ask, Matt specifically about the project or about him or anything you want to know about him big or small that you don't feel like you know? There is a question I've tried asking for and I've never got. Okay. a clear answer So I think you might have better luck which is So Matt as I'm sure you know, but he's Obviously, he's an amazing actor. wonderful Buey star as well, as we talked about He's also a great writer He's an Academy A awward winning Rsher as he occasionally reminds me when he disagrees with something in the script to And a fantastic producer produced, you know, best piction nomminees or as films he wasn't in, you know everything and pretty curious and I haven't got a straight answer from him about this as to why he hasn't directed. O, great question It's something he could have chosen to do. He's He's so knowledgeable, you know, you get on a set with him. He knows more about everything on set than anyone. Well, almost anyone. I'm going to claim a little bit more knowledge of what I want to do on my set. but He's pretty. he's He's pretty in control of every aspect You know holding in this head It ts of what everybody's doing. which is one of the reasons is a great collaborator is it as an actor because He's not just looking at his pal. He's looking at how what he's doing is advancing story and he's very, very con and respect for all the other things I'm trying to balance in terms of how the scene we're doing interacts with the rest of the narrative. Okay, I'm going to ask him that. and I'm going to say that you said that he would make a great director I don't know if I actually said that. just I was cur justter why doesn a tri. They' nervous something. I think he know he yeah he has such He has such a clear ability to be able to Step into that role if you wanted to. So I'm curious. I mean,bes maybe there's something about him in the thenr. Have you ever acted I have far too much respect for actors D Trump T and try it on their toes. I know we we always say on a set everyone should just do everyone's job just for one take. Yeah. I think nobody's afraid of being the drairector. They will think it'd be a great game. Ebody they have to do it. Yeah. But I think that may that might be the be answer you get from that. It might be that he knows so much about it and he's seen so many people do it that he doesn't he doesn't fancy' sitting in the hot seat. Yeah, awesome, awwesome. Well, thank you so much for your time. Thanks for for your incredible work I'm going to let you get back to your tea. I know it's sitting right under frame. And we all know any good director or they've set up the tea in the beginning, we need to see that tea very soon is going to be a big part of the story. Thank you, Emma, if you're still there. And really nice talking to you. Thanks Chris, pleasure. Iye here. Yeah, you too. Bye. Take care. 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It is such a huge moveie. Yeah, it's by far the biggest thing I've ever been anywhere near. It's gonna to be big and it is big and it's so loud. It's a really loud movevie. Yeah. Get bra IMax is intense. Yeah, yeah. IMAax is intense. Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah the whole experience was like that It was just ye, it was awesome. Mat Damon's here, everybody, sorry. So we're jumping into the Odyssey. But like but I wanted to start there because was lucky enough to get to see it. I've been thinking about it a lot. It's one of those things that sticks with you, of course, because it's like in many ways, probably the most famous story ever told. I watched it and it's been swirling around in my head obviously because of what it represents. but I'm thinking about it as this meditation on aging Okay. I No, no, I hear you and I agree. becausecause it you and I are the same age Yeah. It feels like There's this moment in life now where it's like there's a past and all of the wreckage or whatever joy and love and drama that comes with that and trauma that comes with the past This like real present that like is really hard. And there's like a lot of people you're taking care of parents, kids, and then this version of how people think we are or Are we still the version that people think we are? It's a very cool. I've been thinking about it a lot because it just's really hitting me at this age. Do that does that resonate? It definitely does. And that's what I love about this movie and about the script. like he is He's a really underrated writer, I think Chris because he's such a brilliant director that kind of overshadows his his writing is I've read three of his scripts now because this is the third movie I've done with him. and They they're They're just so well written and thematically this touches on so much Yeah. And what I love why I love hearing that is because becausecause to different people, it's going to mean completely different things.. And where you are in your life, where we both are in our lives, like that piece will resonate with us. But for instance, there was a guy who worked on the film named Duff who's a Navy SEAL. And We were on the boat one day out in the middle of, you know, the ocean and sailing back and he just turned turned to me and said and we started talking about the screenplay. And you know, this is without having seen the movie. And he said, I think this is the most, you know, the best movie about PTSD Yeah that I've ever read or seen. you know, And it's like so I think it depends on where you are and where you've been. and that's what's so great about the Odyssey is I think that's why it's survived for, you know three thousand years is because it works for every, you know, everybody who encounters it encounters it at a different place in their life and this's got some resonance for them I ask this to people my age because I've found that this life is getting better and it certainly feels, I mean, from the outside, not knowing your life, it feels like you've been able to just keep making more stuff that you enjoy and like just growing as an artist all this stuff. What is great about being our age honestly, I think that I think that that Look for the business we're in is tough. And I think, you know The first time we met and worked together, we were probably in our late twenties, early thirties You don't know how things are going to work out. You don't, you know, there's so much up in the air and u And there's a lot of pressure and you know there's a lot you want to do. There's a lot you feel like you have to say Every feels ahead of you. That's right. Yeah. And then I think The place we're at now or at least speaking for myself is a place there's a greater sense of calm, I think. and really like when Ben and I started a company together a few years ago, it was partly because we were like, what are we doing? Like this is the most joyful thing like our dream like that we had when we were kids, literally children together you know, teenagers. What you met what ten and eight or something? ten and eight, but then we really were bizarre kids who were serious about acting and we were in the union., you know, and at sixteen and fourteen years old, we were going to New York together to audition for stuff. and our friendship was you know, founded on quite a bit of common experience, but that was central to it and very unique to the two of us. And and And here we are forty years later. and it's like We should make every single movie we can together you know what I mean? Be' It's an unusual you said this before that you're really good at partnerships, like and feels like Chris is another one like you know, that where you're like, I'm really good at picking people who can be partners in my life. And the fact that you guys still work together this many years later and that you love working together, it's unusual. It's Y. It's like, what do you like about working with them? I think for us, We've experienced so much of life Yeah together You know, it's not a it's not a friendship that could ever be ated just because we grew up together and which meant we were together all the time. you know, we you know, writing a screenplay together And I think working together is one of the great things about writing with him was always The fact that there was a deep abiding love and respect underneath everything that was never in question.. It was very helpful. Yeah And when you're working creatively something because you're not worried about their feelings. And I mean, I imagine you guys have a pretty quick shorthand about what works is nothing nothing is ten that personally when you're creating something's just it's just the allegiiances to the thing that we're making Yeah. And we're trying to get there as quickly as we can and as efficiently as we can. And And there's a deep trust. If like you can get hung up on an idea, sometimes you know as a writer. and dig in and sometimes you can be wrong. And if you have somebody that you trust that much Um they'll also hear you out. Yeah. they're humble enough to know they might be wrong too So it's just a very easy experience And it also ends up being just really fun because you're doing it with, you know, of for me, it's like you know, my closest friend for forty years, forty five years, it's like who else would I want to hang out with indeude? Yeah. Tina and I went on tour this year. We've been friends now for like over thirty years and we have a similar dynamic which is we just work so well together. we't We don't care about the same thing. Like we don't like We have similar things that we don't stress about And then things that were like, this is really important. We have to get this right. R There's a theory that the age you meet people, like you were ten, Ben's eight. I'll compare. I'm going to compare you guys to the beatle, so get ready It's coming from you, not me. Paul McCartney, No of you said I had to. Paul Mcy You you squeezed my arm when you came in and you said I had one note that came before me. Yeah I got slipped a note and he said, you call me Paul McCartney before this' over. But no, but it was like Paul Cartney is a couple of years older than George Harrison and they always had an older brother, younger brother dynamic just because they were two years apart Do you guys have an older brother, younger brother dynamic? No.it like same age dynamic. No, and in fact, Ben is an older brother and I'm a younger brother. evenven though I'm older than him. so I'm sure f and I've noticed that you know my wife is also an older sibling. Yeah. And there's something about that I think that makes it easy. you naturally fall into your into your role. Like as a younger sibling, I had, you know my big brother and he was like a god and it was just like I just had to follow him around.. My mom, you know, she worked, she was like, my brother joined the YWCA swim team because his girlfriend was on the Y WCA swim team. So I had to join the YWA WhWCA swim team, you know, Do doesnn't matter likeike I could swim okay. it didn't love it. But, you know, I was on the swim team. Yeah. And and so I think so but it never ccurred to me that I could protest. Right. You know what I mean? Whereas an older sibling is questioning everything because they're the ones who are kind of trailblazing and they're kind of responsible Yeah You can tell an older sibling right away. Yeah, for sure. You really can. And they're also like translating life their other siblings, even though they're They could be like twelve months older than you and they're like, here's how it goes. Yeah, yeah ye. Here's the thing about this. But you brought up your mom. My mom is a te bothoth my parents were teachers growing up. Your mom is an educator, author, like academic. You guys grew up in Boston, as we know famously. I also did sometometimes you do feel like you got out Yeah And people are like, good for you if forre getting out, you know, and sometimes they're like, I I'm I'm still, you know and you're like, that's great. I have no judgment about that. That's fantastic. Y life is great. and sometimes they have a feeling about it. Well, Krinski has this great character called Bter Boston guy. M be nice. And And he leaves occasionally voicemails. and they are just but it's like, no, good for you. Yeahah.. goodood for you. I know I'm sure you're real busy, Amy, you know, with your big life and everything. From what I understand, you're bicoastal now. I mean, not to Boston, but to New York and I get it, you know. it's And it's one of those and they go it goes on and on for like five minutes and I'm just crying by the end of these things. You know, I said to myself, if I go up there and talk to her, she's not going to talk to me. She probably won't remember me. She won't remember me. but I remember you. I remember you and good for you. And then lastly, on behalf of all Bostonians, I'm sure you've talked about this a lot too, but I don't think I know On behalf of all of us, where were you when We won in two thousand four on the Red Sox won. I was So I was making a movie called Sirana and that was shooting at the time in Dubai And and I was watching all the Yankee games Yeah In fact, I was in Geneva during Wow. d when we clinched against the Yankees, and I was supposed to work the following week in Dubai. and George Clooney, thank God, was a producer on the movie And I called him immediately and he said, I already redid the entire schedule. You can go home. No way. So I came back. I landed at JFK. I was living in New York. I landed at JFK. The game was just starting. I made it to my apartment by like the second or third inning And we won that game. Y You know, obviously we won all four, but once we won that game, I knew that I had to watch every single moment on that couch by myself because that was the. You watch it by yourself? Absolutely. I was just like, whoa, I didn't want to jinx any anything Yeah. Yeah. We used to scream at my mom to leave the room. she watching in the room. She couldn't She was holding laundry. She had to hold it the whole time. Totally. Yeah. And I do feel like something psychically changed for all of us when that happened I know it did for my family. My my dad like was it felt like a release of a A long awaited su. It felt like the Odyssey. This can't be true, but it is. Wait a minute, is the Odyssey about that? Wait a minute What did your mom think about you not finishing Harvard U B by then, I mean, I was working. they were We were really close to finishing. I was I was. In fact, I probably I probably did five years of classes there because I would go. and then there was one semester, the last semester I left, I was two weeks away. from the end of the semester. So I'd done everything. All I had to do was take the finals. But the rule was at the time, at least, you had to take your finals at the exact moment they were offered in Cambridge. And I was like, I'm number five on the call sheet. You think I'm going shut a movie down for three hours, four different times. like I just had to eat the semester Do you ever have a fantasy about going back? I think I used to, like there was but I also, you know, I was an English major and in fact, I started writing Goodwill hunting for a class I just had wonderful professors and that professor really encouraged me to keep going with it. And I didn't know what it I'd never tried to do that and And in fact, I wrote we were supposed to write a one act play and I wrote I wrote the first act of a three act movie. But at that point, I'd already been leaving and going, you know, I mean, I was kind of out in the world working. So I wasn't like sweating grades the way I was kind of in the I was kind of out of the pipeline. Yeah. And I was really in school for myself at that point. And I went to to the guy and I said, I think I failed your class This is the first act of a movie and he read it and he gave me a straight A and he just said, donon't stop. keepep going. Like he gave me all this encouragement. And that was when I just took it out and showed it to Ben It's so cool because you can also tell that perspective for teachers in the film, like it's in good with Hunting. and We grew up around educators and like we're saying the obvious, but it is still wild how people can remember the teacher. Oh my God. The three teachers. I had multiple teachers. Me too that were like Doing good, hang in there, that just that those like positive reinforcements about anything you were doing. Yeah. So okay, you guys moved to Hollywood. Conggratulations. You win an Academy Award. You do goodoodwell hunting, everyverybody's favorite movie, give the best speech ever. you bring your moms It's incredible and We didn't have a choice. But from that moment, like where, you know, you've been working to your what you werere saying, you've been working for a long time. We know you then. We meet you then, and I'm the same age as you. I'm watching you like be my age like entering into some system and you're from Boston and it's like Oh, okay, we don't have to live near the game to be in the game, basically What is your relationship to work now Because when you're young, we've talked about, you're like, I want to do this and this. and then you start getting these things. Then like so then what is your relationship arere you tired? That' a long question asking I'm personally asking for myself. Sometimes. I yeah, but but I think that's that's where this I feel like And for both in me that we at the same time kind of stepped into this new phase of life and really felt it. Yeah, What is that new phase? That we just want to work ons about it's about really the pursuit of joy in our lives and in our work. And And like this movie, I never would have I think twenty years ago I would have bitched a lot about, you know, I don't think That actually hits home. like The physical discomfort in making this movie that everybody, everybody had to go through, the entire crew So The experience of doing this movie, though it was the hardest movie that I've ever done by far was so joyful. Yeah. It really That's amazing. and also it felt more like an expedition than a movie because of how we made it and to know that every single person around you was was weathering those same difficulties and pushing themselves. likeike it's just this feeling of you know, of being a part of that team of people was just It was it just it was it was one of the best feelings I've ever had. That's very cool. I mean, you're making me think of that like Sanskrit idea that life is what you say it is, basically. Right. So you can be like, this is the worst This is the hardest thing and this is where you be like this is the most incredible opportunity I'm getting to do. Yeah. and I definitely from the moment Chris gave me the part, I felt. I felt that because First of all, he First of us, it's one of the great roles of all time. Yeah. and He was going to make this thing at the scale that it deserved to be made. And not and like pretty practical, right? Like practical. Like that's not like you' going to make it the way David Lean would have made it. R the way somebody would made it eighty years ago. It's for people that are going to see it and you guys can tell us if it's too spoily and we'll cut it. But like there's scenes where cyclops is You're meeting Cyclops, who by the way I was proud of myself I was like Is that Bill Irwin? You got him right away. Yes. ye. He's amazing. He's amazing. Rachel getting married. amazing. U and I was like, That I find out is a giant puppet. Yeah. What the fuck? That is wild. Itsild It's really wild when you realize we shot it in an actual cave. And so there's no sound stage. That's wild. So we would hike to this cave and it was called Zeus's cave. they say it's where Zeus was born and we would hike up to this cave And the rigging that the guys did in this cave, they basically turned it into a sound stage, almost,, Like there were there were, I mean, it was just the amount of The amount of work that went into doing this was like And I bet you shot at places that no one had ever been allowed in and like nobody would be crazy enough to try to shoot in was way it really was. Like honestly, would every time I I would show up and I would start laughing. I would be kidding me. like're up there? Yeah That's where Yeah.ike so what are shooting? Well, we're not shooting anything u til we get up there because that's where everything is. that's wild. So that part of it was that's what I mean about an expedition. and it and we were all in it together. We hike up the mountain And and in that cave that was, you know, Chris was like, No, a sixty foot puppet. 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At Burlington's prices, you can just get it all Much like I compared you to Pa McCartney, I'm going to compare the Odyssey to SNL SNL is like SNL. That's another thing that that I told you, know But but similarly There's few places left that's like, we have a show tonight And you know, because you've done it hosted many times and you're like, everyone's just it's like a comedy emergency room Everyone's doing the best version that they can do in a time that they have. and therefore everything feels really human. Yeah. It's very cool that way. L things feel practical and tactile and stuff and You've done the show a bunch of times. I don't know if you remember the first time you hosted I think, it was like two thousand two. I was like my second year there I have a great picture of us, me and Drach, and you have your arms around us. We look like pen babies. S babies. And we're all like the whole world. But it was I remember just starting when you came. And I remember that exact feeling of like, holy shit, look at all these talented people trying to make something like real and human basically. What was it like to what is it like to do that show? Do you like doing? I still remember Yeah I love doing it. Yeah. And that first time, the reason I did it, Patrick, my agent called me and said, you're hosting Saturday Night Live. and I said, Oh, okay. But I don't have anything coming out and he goes, No, Bruce Sprsteen's the musical guest. We're going to get to hear two songs from Bruce. So I was like, oh yeah, we're huge fans of Bruce Springsteeen. So so that was really why I did it And and I remember going on on the Monday night for the you know, the little pitch in Lauren's office and everybody pitches these ideas. And then everybody went, let's go to a bar. And I was like Guys, we have ninety minutes to do by Saturday. like how are you people so calm? Like I could't There's like there's like a push like where people have to like force Force panic almost to get anything creatively done. I was fully panicked on Monday. Yeah, but then Tuesday night was the night everyone and I stayed up They were like, you're welome to stay as you want. I stay up overnight to like five in the morning, popping into different rooms and writing with people and you know and love that part of it. then And then from the read through on Wednesday, it's just you're just shot out of a canon. Yeah it's done in five minutes. Yeah. Yeah. And the minute you're done, you're like, okay, I got it. Let's do it again. The rush that you get is incredible Yeah, yeah, yeah I actually we were looking up some stuff because I was like, what did I do with Matt? And there's a sketch that I do not remember. was it There wass a better chance I'll remember it because I could rem I have zero memory of it. You played a doctor? I saw it and I was like, no idea what the joke is Sorry, I can't I got toa get my commercials out on YouTube. Is this the one where Carneel where where we're we're it where it's everybody's name, Matt Damon. Is that the, Maybe that's it. It sounds like that's it All I know is, okay, here we go. Excuse me Pny, the Ice man. The Iice man Okay, so he's the doctor. That's the whole joke. It's. Its have no idea what it's like for me That's not true. didentity is not by your name, man, it's about who you are, what you do., That's easy for you to say. Matt Damon. Oh my God. Are you Matt Damon? Yeah, I about you. This is so weird. My name is Pat Dam. Okay, now we're hightening. We're two minutes in mar now we're Do remember this. That stupid Oh my God and it's just it's totally ridiculous. I haven't seen. That's really funny. I did not remember I mean it is I remember because I I think I've hosted the show three times and I've come on and done guestpots, but that means I've probably done less than twenty sketches in my life. So I think I probably remember all of them. You would think you will I mean It's so. And then at the end I think someone comes out and is Dror Julia serving. I think that's the part. I think that's I. I forget how it happens, but it's like Madt Dam and Mad Dam, Pattam and Madtamid, Pattam and Mad Dam and Ben Affleck and doctor Julia serving. I don't think it played that well. I thought it was funny. I know. But it's a good example of like, you know, there are hosts who you know Especially in your first time, you don't really know the power you have. you know, no one really tells you the power that you have where you can be like, I don't want to do that. There are hosts that are like, I like to pick the funny stuff, and then there are hosts that are like, I want to pick the stuff that I'm in a lot or that, you know, like And that's a real ensemblely sketch. You don't get to do much in that. But I said but I always say to Lauren, like just I want the best show. L I just you know, this last one, I think we cut five sketches after dress, you know, that I was like in heavily and I was like, whatever makes it You know, you're also you've got a younger cast and it's like they're trying to like establish themselves and like, all right, if you've got something for them to do that you know what I mean? like you all have to do this next week, you know? Yeah But a lot of people don't really take that in. L and I don't even necessarily mean it's a bad thing. They're just like focusing on other like things. like you have this ability, you always have, I think, to pay attention to like the environment that you're in, what other people need. I mean, I think it's what makes you such a good producer. I think it's what makes you such a good collaborator, like That isn't always people's process. They just don't know how to take all that in Yeah, I guess I always just defaulted to the The better the thing is you're making, the better for everybody. Yeah.. And I really do think that way about movies too. I don't always take the best role. You know what I mean? I want to be in a good movie. You've been in so many good movies. God damn. I mean That's interesting you say that because Even in Interstellar, that role that you take is a really surprising role to take with Yeah, Chris underssold it to me actually. because Chris I was really happy to get the call from him And he and he I guess like trying to managed my expectations said, you know how they say there are no small parts, only small actors? And I said, ye, I this is a small part. So I was like, okay. But I read it. I was like, No, this is a terrific park.ike It's a really great. I mean it's not big, but it's a really good park. Really. And so yeah, it's always about if there's something I feel like, you know worth doing It doesn't have to be the biggest thing. Yeah. I mean, you gotten to work with so many amazing people. If it's okay, I want to just ask you about a few because some of them we talk about here a lot and some I had the pleasure to either meet or work with, and I love talking about them. And you've talked about him a lot, but can Can we just talk about Robin for a second? Be I had the experience that, as I'm sure you did, of like feeling like I got to watch him Um Use his gift. to make young people feel like they had some kind of future and whatever they were doing. That was basically he would come, Robin Williams would come. and improvise at UCB. and like jump in. the theater improv theater that I was a part of and he would just show up. I mean, people would lose their minds. He would show up and he'd talk to twenty all of us twenty year olds like we were like smart and funny and like change our lives What was he like What was it like to work with him when you were so young? Yeah, he was like that generous. Yeah. That was just his just who he was. Yeah just like overflowing with generosity. Yeah. likeike as a as a as a creative partner to work with to do scenes with. And obviously, this was something that we'd written. We'd been holding onto this thing for five years. and how seriously he took it, how prepared he was interesterestingly, he was very, he did a lot of takes at his did he feel like he didn't have it? Like would he want more because he wasn't quite sure And I remember Terry Gilliam telling me, like Terry Gilliam gave him after they did The Fisher King and Robin's brilliant in that movie. Amazing. And Terry gave him a report card at the end. and it was and it had all these different things like creativity, you know, energy, all this stuff and you know, A, A, A, late night phone calls, F Be Robin would get home and he would call he was a ruminator. He was a ruminator. and there were things. we went back and did another pickup of thing and we shot it fifteen times already. Yeah. and Ben and I knew we had it. Gus knew we had it. Yeah And he just and I think that's might be the comedy background where it's like, I'm going to refine this joke. Yeah. there's always a joke There's always something in that I can grab in there. Yeah. And he and he had this this like you know, and he was like indfatigable, like the guy just had so much energy that And so we went over budget in film I remember every day at lunch we would send out to Kodak, they'd come back with more film because we were burning through A lot of film reallyally just for him to feel Yeah likeike we got it. Yeah. you know Ben and I knew like I mean, even like the last line of the movie. was not written. He was just supposed to come out and read a letter and it was supposed the camera was supposed to sit on him for as long as he wanted, as he thought about this boy driving out of town and he's on his way You know, he's going to go see about the girl and and Robin, we left the camera rolling and we were shooting up at him and and I was I was right next to the camera because every time he came out when he when he when he opened up the letter I said it so that he could hear my voice. And so Gus and I the director was You were standing by camera today by camera And he wasn't meant to look at me, but just so he could hear me And And he must have done fifteen. takes and he'd put the envelope back and hed put it back in the mailbox and he'd go in, and we'd still be rolling and then he'd come back out And he did, you know a few without saying anything. And then he just started impmrovising lines And unlike the ninth line He opened the door and he looked and he read the letter and he said, Son of a bitch, you stole my line And I grabbed Gus. Like I mean, it's like, you know, when you a piece of dialogue falls from heaven and you know, and you just know Yeah. And but Robin went back in and he did it five, six more times. He came back And I remember Ben wasn't on set that day for some reason or maybe he couldn't fit up where we were. And so he was back. And I just couldn't couldn't get to him fast enough to tell him, You're not going to fucking believe what he said. Listen and Ben the second he heard it. like that's it.. L he knew like that's the but Robin mustust have known because it came out of him But like when that line comes out of me, if ever I'm lucky enough to come up with something on the spot that just comes out in the moment and it works, I know it. and now now I'm a dog with a bone. You know what I mean? I'm not going to go start trying. That is the thing I love about impmprov. I have to say is it's like so many ideas are flung around and a lot of them are jewels and they're just thrown for free Like it's like, here's ten more. Yeah. And you're like, whoa, who, these are like let me pick these up. like each one could be interesting But like when you're with like an incredible improvisorer, it's like, I have a million of these. Right. Like are these are never gonna to go away. That's what see, when wrote I wrote not many people saw called Promisedand with John Krasinsky And John and I joke about it because John's like Ben, he's got a supercomputer on board. He goes really fast And I'm much more, I don't know. I I got a Commodore fifty six or whatever. So my processing chipn' isn't quite as fast. And so John would would would throw a line of dialogue, we'd be sitting in the kitchen writing and he'drow out a line of dialogue and My face would do something like this And John would read that as he hates it. And then he'd give me another one and then another. And then now he's giving me five lines of dialogue. And'm and I just go I'm like, stop.ike I'm still on the first one, John. I think the first one's really good Now I got to think about all these other ones because I think they're really good too. J see, you know, give me a minute. and I think you know, yeah, you're right. They're like jewels that are falling on the ground. And I'm like somebody who wants to pick up each one and go like let's we're going we're going to put this thing together like a Swiss watch. And that's why I think sometimes it's always like, I mean it's interesting to watch people Be able to be okay with that speed and stillness. It's what like film actors do so well is they allow things to just stay And when you're coming up in like from a comedy perspective, like speed is or you get your self esteem to everything. and you just have to sometimes just like gu have to just With that in mind, what was it like to work with Phil Hoffman, who Like what an incredible actor What was it like to be because your character is really, you have to square off with him in this way that is I mean he's so intimidating He's so good in that movie. He's just he's good he was good He was he was right in everything, but holy shit Tal about a role where you come in and I mean he That scene, the scene where he comes back where I kill him in the towns of Mr. Ripley spoiler alert.il It another Odyssey, it's a long trip. He I loved him because he You know, we'd we'd rehearse. there was a whole month of rehearsal and we got to know each other and u and, uh But I hated him so much that day Yeah. you know what I mean? And but because that's how he really it's like He like buuilt the energy for that scene. It was like like a fucking Marvel superhero coming out of him and sucked me right into it And we had this day of working where and we liked each other. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. But that was not And that wasn't in the room. Yeah. And And I just remember It's that I've said I say it all the time because it really is the truth. when when you're working with a great actor, they're great enough for both of you. And it's like it's like just Just paddle into the wave stand up And that's it. and you just get transported and that was what he was, I mean, he was just 's phenomenal phenomen. Yeah. he's incredible. And his theater company was great. I used to go and see them. Did you ever do anything like did you do see a lot of theater in New York when you were No No I was working already and at the last play I didn't. In fact, Phil was there. we did. I think he was doing Jesus Hopp the A train or he was directing it. I can't remember, but we were all over and then Gwyneth was doing proof. and Kasey Affleck and I were in summer We're doing this is our youth. And we were all in the West endnd in the same summer. none of us saw each other's plays because we were on the same schedule. but we were all it was like the Ripley reunion kind of right. And I think Jude was like doing something that summer too, but we were all. Do you ever get a I'm sure you get offered all the time. Do you ever want to do something on Broadway? I've thought a lot about it. It's the schedule that until My youngest is a freshman and once she's out of the nest,, I would definitely do it It's just it's just not a great schedule for parenting. Crazy schedule. All the SNL ladies are on Broadway this summer. like they're all dches in Rocky Haror and Anna is in Shimead doun. andmayah is doing go Marary right now. I'm like watching them all do it. And I we've had a bunch of Broadway actors on here having the hardest part of your day be the end of your day every day S sometimes twice a day. Yeah, so hard. And I remember even if this is twenty something years ago doing that play and I love that play and I love Kenny Lonan Um, this elation coming off stage, when things went went when it was like, oh my go, that was something. And then that would last like five minutes and then I'd go, I have to do this twice tomorrow And I remember thinking, why didn't someone just film that? You guys are making this so unnecessarily difficult We could be in the camp, we can be done. We can be in Toronto, We can showare it in Toronto. the festival. What's happening U Yeah, but but yeah, I mean, you know, Cheetles's doing iss doing proof right?. Yeah, that's right. I saw that and he's fantastic. but how fun were those Oceans movies, by the way. Speaking of Cheetle? That looks like, I mean, what a Boond doog for Steven Soderberg. Yeah, he was want to make that. actually And you guys were like having cappuccino and he was exactly get me wrong I mean, God, they look so fun. They look. They were really fun. and it was just a wonderful group of people. And we and the group changed, you know, it's like as the movies went along, you know, then suddenly, you know, people were married, peopleople had babies, you know, we were loaning diapers to each other. You know what I mean? It was just a nice kind of run of of life for us. you mentioned Clooney. We have a fun thing with I don't know if you remember us and Clooney and you because what what a Hollywood thing. I just we have a fun thing. me you and Clooney. I know, but when we when we poked fun at him at the Golden Globes he's got a great as do you great sense of humor about himself Um do you know this that he madeade stationary. Yeah. Okay. so Not the first time he's done this. And by the way, and I've told, I've said this to his face. I'm not talking behind his back. I don't like pranks. I don't fuck. I'm not a prank guy. I. I don't It makes me stressed. He loves them enough for all of us. He does. Yeah. He loves them And I'm like, don't do your weird pranks on me. And he's like,, okay. And anyway, CN and I hosted the Golden Globes, we made a joke that now that you were in TV, you're basically a garbage person because just TV.. You weren't in the movie section anymore. And you of course laughed and played along with it. George Clooney made stationary pretending he was you and sent us like a strongly worded letter saying that really hurt our Really, really hurt my feelings. No, did he tell you he was gonna to do it? Okay, God. No, the way I found out. and by the way, the only the only reason I found out was because you guys sent me some like fruit basket or something And I was like I was so beildered. We were like, we think this is a prank But That's right. Yeah, you were under covering our bases. Just in case it's not. Just case it's a real fit basket But And then I called one, I think I called Tina, I was like, what the fuck? Be she lived right down the street for me at that time. We were I was on the upper West side And uh And then we, you know, we put it together pretty quickly. Yeah. It was Clooney's doings. But but but yeah, I guess Sodaberg is the one that has to make the other such a well crafted movie movies That's him. I mean I've done I think ten movies. He worked with Yeah. ye. I will do the phone book with Stehven Soderberg. I absolutely love working with him. and what do you love about working with him? Well, he's just He's he's It's like he sees the Matrix. Yeah. L really. I mean, by the time so When we did behind the candleabber in twenty Well So good. But the Stephen Wood I get to work. we'd shoot a scene go home at like five o'clock. because Stepven operates the camera is the editor is the cinematographer and the director and I'd go home and the kids were little and you know, we'd bathe them, we'd give them dinner, read ' them a story, put ' them to sleep. I'd come downstairs by like eight, seven thirty or eight o'clock. And on my iPad there was a new delivery And I'd open it up and it was the scene we shot that day fully scored as it was going to appear in the movie when it came out nine months later. Holy shit. Yeah. So for Michael and me. Oh wow, to you know, you're playing this relationship, which is this kind of dysfunctional relationship, a kind of descent end up like drugs. you know and it unfolds over time. So to calibrate the performance is difficult but not when you can watch Yeah. heres next Here's the scene that's gonna to happen after this and here's the scene that just happened before this. I know, and then Stehven's like, all right, I'm starting on Michael's face and we' you know exactly where you are at all times. Oh God, that feels really comforting. It's unbelievable. It's like, and I always say the only excuse an actor has, and it's a legitimate excuse if you suck in a movie is I didn't know what movie I was in Yeah. That's a totally fair. like if the director just couldn't communicate the tone and didn't, you know couldn't it's very easy to to be in the wrong movie. here's another Soderberg story. like I did this movie with him, the informant.reat mo. And yeah, I love that one. And we shot a scene where my character had to apologize to the entire town. Basically, stood up in court. and we had we had the Am transcript of what he said, and those were my lines And so we're in Illinois, I think it' Springfield, Illinois, in the courthouse he was actually in and the entire cast is there because they're all sitting in the gallery They're the people that I need to apologize to And so I stand up And I start this apology and I get I get legitimately up I don't mean to. I'm trying not to And and I get through it And Stevens's kind of shooting a wide shot on the other side. And I hear cut. And he walks over and I'm sitting at the defense table and he kind of he comes up and he goes, No I'm like no So fuck you know. I go, That shit just happened, man. that That was real.ike, what he goes he goes, Yeahah, yeah, no, you're the wrong mov And I went, oh, okay, get me in the right movie And he sits there and he thinks for a second and he goes Do it like an awards acceptance speech. Oh, inccredible direction No because it was like, yeah, this guy this was this guy's moie. It wasn't I'm admitting it was everyone's here for me. Yes, that's. This is incred is This is like, wow. Yeah, right? And I think that's what I said. like wow Yeah And it's like so interesting. Now both scenes in a vacuum. Also like, you know, it it makes sense that like I had a real emotion. like I really felt that something isn't that what I'm supposed to be doing. It connected to the part of me. This is that's how this is supposed to go. Oh yeah. Not if you're in the wrong movie. Okay. And so Christopher Nolan The Odysy, we're talking about it. You're back with him. again. You've made three films with him So we do this thing where we talk to somebody before our guest comes in and talk well behind their back. And I I got to talk to Christopher. Iimid I was a little intimidated to be honest. He's very intimidating. U warsuit drrank tea Um and is so good at directing and just such an formidable artist and like really such a like director of this decade in so many ways, and you know this because you've worked with him so many times. But he's asking a lot of you, and you just said earlier, like that's the part that you're realizing, oh, I'm not going to complain about this. I'm actually going I'm going to decide that this is going to be the most like fulfilling incredible experience. But it is still a physical experience. L it still means that you have to get probablyrobably the best shape of your life. Yeah And as a person of similar age, it's Like it's one thing running and punching and in born in your thirties, it's way different T be getting jacked in your fifties. It's really hard It was a it's just a complete, complete lifestyle change. Right. So everything goes away. There' no planning. Like any other time I tried to do something like that, it was always like, well, of my time, my workouts and my thing And this was like, no,, just everything Just put your feet on put foot on the gas and that's it. And that's the only way to do it. eat a little less But no like no gluten. No, no gluten, which changed my life Are you still no glute? Still no gl You don't have any desire for it anymore? Because the because because of what it does to me. Yeah. Like I didn't realize le too I didn't know. Well it's funny you say that because I feel like our generation, like a lot of food allergies and stuff or whatever or sensitivities We didn't really have that Like we didn't talk about that. We didn't talk about it and I didn't realize the level to which it was affecting me and affecting my life like it's completely changed my life these last couple years of not of not eating it. And so that's made it like it's a bummer. Yeah. Like I'm a big fan of bread but and beer.. You know what I mean? Like So you know, pasta and pizza and all that stuff Yeah. How I feel is just so much better. Yeah inccredible. Okay. And then Uh sleep? what's your sleep situation? Do Do you sleep? Yeah. I mean Do you love to sleep? I do. teenagers in the house. But you know, like once you had kids, did you ever sleep well again No. like all the way like it wasn't until they got older, like it was this huge stretch where I didn't sleep for I felt like for like ten years. Yeah. I feel like like I've been a lighter sleeper, but this on this movie, there was we like me and the PAs, we had this kind of joke called the Odyssey five. If you could get five hours, like you were thrilled Um That's tough. Yeah, that's not a lot of sleep. It's not a lot of sleep. but it was enough Yeah, it was enough. I get it. But I did realize that five is the cutoff 'cause there were some four nights, there were some no nights. I had two nights where I did not sleep Because you were working? No, because I got home and I was like overly tired. Yeah you used do that thing I was just sitting there and I missed the window Now I'm panicking because And you're like, tomorrow, I literally have to like lift a rock through the mud. Yeah. like every day I have to do spring tomorrow all day. Yeah ye. It seems like so It was hard, it was hard for everybody though. That's why it made it. That's why it made it. Wonderful. It's funny, you talk about other departments because Chris's question for you. had a question for you, which is basically like Why haven't you directed He said Um, and I quote Um You would be an amazing director. You'd probably be better than me He lies in interviews. that's Thats lovely thing to say. That's not true, but a very lovely thing to say. I almost directed a couple things. I almost directed that movie Promised Land in twenty twelve, but I ran longong on another movie And and I would have had to come down home, put my bags down and leave again. Yeah. And so I I I bowed out and then called Gus Vanant, who then stepped in and directed it. So So as a producer, I made the movie better.. And then another movie that John Krzinski and I commissioned Kenny to write Manchester byy the Sea, and I was going to direct it. And then as the script, as it started to come in, I was like, Kenny, this you got to do it. And I was going to play the part And we were about to start shooting, but like we were behind. we couldn't get the production office open. We were like five weeks out and I called Kenny and I was like, I'm putting you in a position to fail here. Let's take a breath and I didn't have anything for two years O I'm sorry, I had worked for two years and Kenny was ready to go. And I was like, all right, the only person I'm giving this role to is Casey because we'd all done the play together in London and we're all friends Uh and and I'm like this is this is the best role that I've seen Yeah in a long time. and u But were we were able to get it financed with Casey And he stole that Oscar from you. That's how he returned the favor. He took your. Let's say I gave it to him. I'm sure he wouldn't mind that Yeah, not at that. after ripping his heart open in that performance. I allowed you to have it. allowed you Okay, lightightning round as we end. You have four girls You have you've talked so much about how great it is. Like you know do you know the fact the research shows that like the more daughters you have, the longer you live? Did you know that? I believe it. I've never heard that before. Yeah there's a Research that says like you get like a year or something added to your life with each daughter. That's. And mothers lose a year for each childle they have. so cononggrats Yes, of course. or girls. The dads get Yes, doesn't matter. The dads get all the yearsars.ight And the mothers wither away. That sounds totally fair. No, but Having having all these women in your life in your house like and all like'm What's the biggest joy? spepeaking about joy. What's the biggest joy about watching them get older and grow up and become real people in the world. wow. I mean, they're just incredible. I mean they're they're so different Um And so different from one another. and Are they like launching into the world now in different ways? like they Yeah you know, I've got one about to turn twenty eight, one who just turned twenty And then we still have two in the next seventeen, almost eighteen and fifteen. Yeah. They're just they're just amazing. They're my favorite people. Yeah you know. Yeah. And I feel very lucky that that, you know, I grew up with just a brother and It was just a side of the the human experience that I just didn't have access to and and and I got that in in, you know, that next chapter of my life and it it's just been beautiful. Okay. and your comfort watch. what what are you like what, you know, I was thinking about I was like, wow, when Matt's like changing the channels and watching movies, there must be a lot of times where you're like, I was in that, I work with that person, you know, like I almost got that part. There's a lot of movies that you've been in and a lot of movies that you know a lot about or that you've produced or that So what is a comfort watch, one that you can watch where you can check out and be like, if it's on I'm watching it. Usually Will Ferrell's movies you know, like, in our house you kind of can't go wrong with him, likeike he 've we've watched, you know, step brrothers and Talodega Kights and, you know again and again and again. Yeah. Blades of glory too. Oh my go. you know, and Will Speck is a great friend of ours. Y. That's right. Will' great. That is one of the that's definitely in the Pantheona. Oh my God, that movie, how fun and dumb that movie is. It's so genius. Okay. and water, how do we fix it? Oh my gosh, Wh And this is a speed round But I mean, I've been reading the work you're doing. It's incredible. What should we be doing? What can we do? You could go check out water dot org and you can donate directly or there's this new we have get Blue, which we launched this summer, which is if you see anything that says get blue on it, if it's or if, you know there's there's hoodies and t shirts at the gap. Let's say get blue. there are you can go to Starbucks and get a blue matcha or a coconut refresher and proceeds from that will go to water. orga to do the work we're doing. And we've reached ninety two million people so far, you know, which is really something because had we do it through micro fininance through these small micro loans. and had we stayed with drilling wells, it would have taken us six hundred years to get to where we are. Right now. So it's scaling, it's a sustainable solution and there's a lot more to be done.' amazing. talkk about the Odyssey, man. Yeah, that's a big one. S six hundred years too long Okay, so Last question I ask everybody, anything you're watching right now that's making you laugh. video a scene from a show. I literally last night. Okay, great. So my kids are watching this thing. It's called Love Island. Oh yeah. The teens are obsessed. I couldn't do it. I can't do. I get too much embarrassed. Yeahn't Bad before we literally sat down, we had some friends visiting. Th they have a teenage daughter and they're staying with us. And so the kids at dinner were like, we're going to watch this thing So we sat down and it didn't come onntil nine. And so we're flicking and there's something called Temptation Island Oh yeah. And so that And so I so we look at the little thing and I'm like, you guys want to give this a shot for an hour before Love Island comes on. And I mean, it was it did not disappoint. Am I wrong that Temptation Island is if you make out or have sex, you're out No, from what I could understand. Okay that's That's called too hot to something. I watch I watched episode one of season two last night And it was they introduced these four couples. coues. Yeah. four unmarried couples. Travel to a tropical island to have their fidelity tested Wait, so they bring in people. They bring in hot singles It was so funny. So they bring in these, you know, the hot singles and all the guys come in and like rip their shirts off and they're like, you made a mistake bringing her here, bro of what. I don't know how long it last. We did make it through an episode, but it was really funny. Oh It was great. my friend, she's visiting with her daughter We were howling. But but it's these four couples and you're like and you know, and the kids are like trying to they're taking bets on which couples are going to make it. Yeah I'm like, you know, guys, I doubt if they all just We're faithful to each other. There wouldn't be much of a show. so I have a feeling. I feel like someone's gonna bu see some cracks in the veneer. Also, the acting exercise of having to come in and be so confident It's unbelievable. I'm breaking you guys up. I know. I know, it's unbelievable. The women and the men, they're just you've never seen more confident people. Couples get all you know, they do these in depth interviews and you know where they're Where it's just like, you know, he's had a problem with fidelity in the past His time is cy time. He's going to prove it. by going to Temptation Island, And like, you see these guys Like they get split up into seeps. so the four guys who are in the couples, they get split up from their partner and they go into a house with these you know, ten gorgeous women. Yeah, some honey pots over there You see that these guys start to crack within thirty seconds Well, I mean, I didn't know it was gonna be like this. I mean, what is a man supposed to do? Eact. And it's also the they're like they're all in their twenties. And they're all like, you know,, you know, I mean this I mean, she really means a lot to me. We've been together for fifteen months It' like I mean, after six months, I mean, I had my lauaps and I was unfaithful to her. But since then, I've been and you're just like, this is a fucking disaster. I don't know if I'll hang in there. I made it through one episode. We had some lauaps. I love that the your kids were like, I don't know. They seem pretty in love and you're like, I'm feeling someone's gonna fall. Just from a writing perspective, I can tell you, we're going need a little more conflict. I would be so sad too for that casting and they're like, good news is you got Temptation Island. Oh God, exciting bad news is you're not coming in to tempt any of the people. We just thought it wouldd be better if you were the lady that worked at the island Well, Matt, thank you so much for coming and doing. this was such a blast. Congrats on this incredible movie and all the work you do and Thanks so much for being here. I appreciate it. Thanks, guys Well, thank you so much, Matt Damon, hometown hero of mine, Boston boy, done good. Thank you for coming. and what a pleasure to talk to you.