John Waters and Special Projects

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And I just want to file this one under notot safe for Work or for kids because we do get into some fun and down and dirty topics like well SN Elda and psychoanalysis and Long Island and her insane Wildly original new special Sarah Squirm live and in the flesh on HBO. So listen for Sarah, but before we start, right, we always like to talk to somebody who knows our guest, who has spent time with them and who can speak well and give us a question. And we're going to talk today to Mitra Juhari. Mitra is an amazing writer, producer. you may know her from episodes of the Bear, fromom the show she created Three Busy Deborah. She's a writer on Big mouse And she's just incredible talent, came up with Sarah, her good friend, we're gonna check in with Metra, who is on her lunch break. and get a question from her. So Chon, it's good to see you This episode of Good Hang is presented by Paul Mullive. Family time isn't just the big moments. 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On top of Mitra being incredibly talented, she's also like a real deal activist boots on the ground person thking about during COVID when when you zoomed with my sons to talk to them about the LA unhoused situation and what they could do about it. It was did They were so cute and sweet. I like I loved talking to them. They were so thoughtful and had such good questions and were really making me laugh. Remember that when we were all just like in that COVID bubble of just like, I guess we I guess well this is how we'll learn now. I was living with Patty and we were making some of the most fucked up cocktails imaginable, like actively drinking and being like, this is disgusting. and finishing them Patdy Harrison, another hilarious comedian and actor. Okay. We've got Sarah coming in today That's why another reason why I'm sad I'm not there. I want to be seeing her. I have so many questions for Sarah. Did you watch her special? Yes I have questions for her too H nasty ass H nasty ass special. You have known Sarah for a very long time. When did you two first meet? twenty fifteen, and our mutual friend, Drennan, who knew her from Chicago, she was coming out to New York to do shows. and she guested on this show called Holy Fuck that I was a part of. and he was like There's this freak coming named Sarah Sherman. and I think you guys would really like each other. And then we like hit it off immediately and we went on a tour with this great comedian writer named Jamie Loftis called the Sarah Metron Jamie are Ugly tour And just like she eventually wrote and appeared but naked on Deborah. Yeah, so we worked on a show together, Th busy Deborahas on addult Swim that you wrote and produced and you were the star of, along with other Deborahas That's right. And Sarah was a writer on there, which is where I first heard her. And I was introduced to her as Sarah Squirm, which is the name she was going by at the time, which I remember thinking at the time, it was unusual that a comic actor had like what felt like almost like a rock star name. Yes Wh and it makes so much sense because like she came up in these great music venues and like was like I feel like every time I would come to Chicago and do shows with her at the hideout, It was always like with these really interesting bands that I would like I've never heard of would never have heard of. and she's like such a tr fan of like live music and worked in radio and like just brings all of that. So it like makes sense to me that this person who's working in these DIY spaces, both like in music and stand up in art would have this sort of like rocker character persona. Totally My questions today for her are really like when did that person start? When does that person come out You know Sarah really well And I've gotten to know her from getting to work with her and her persona and her personality are like alike but also very different. Yeah. She's like, I feel like it makes so much sense that she landed in Chicago because she does have this like warmth and like I don't know, familiarity with people that feels very midwestern to me, even though she's not from there, but like she's just very y, Pe feel very comfortable with her, whichich you wouldn't expect from someone whose like material is kind of exclusively about like her flapping labia. Exactly. like for people that are learning about Sarah here, like her stuff on SNL is, you know in the structure of SNL, but Sarah's material is like suuper scatological. She calls it body horror. It's like a ton of like dysmorphia on dysmorphia, shocking, shocking, shocking stuff. And I want to ask herar like the cutaways to her audience D during the special, I'm like, whoo is this audience? I have the same sex. So many men, so many men laughing and being like ritually humiliated. And at the same time, it's amazing. Herers God, my favorite word, my favorite word. Would you say Sarah is your first pervert guest? Oh, absolutely not No, but I love a perfvert I don't like a creep. There's a difference. Big time And it's a fine line I mean, you know, and it's very it happens. don't get me wrong. I'm not saying but rarely are women creeps, but they can definitely be perverts. But if you're a perverted man, you have a high creep susceptibility, obviously. You got to be really careful. You got toa be really. But a fun pervert. I mean, they kind of feel Almost you know, I guess that's another thing that I want to talk to Sarah about is like, The way she is a fun pervert and then turns on her audience and yells at them for liking it. That's so real Well, because it's it's such a relief to have someone obviously in such a heightened way, but like talkal about these all these things that like I also am like horrified by in my own body or I'm like, why does it do that? Why is there hair there? What is that substance? having someone put words to it and show it in like such a n It is so heightened, but it's also like how I feel looking at like these parts of me. And she like she really brings it to life in a way that is like actually very inviting, I feel, where it's like, I'm disgusting. Aren't you disgusting? We're all disgusting. No, you're the disgusting one. perfect way to sum it up And watching her stuff, I'm like On the surface level, it's kind of like grotesque almost performance art stuff. but then underneath it is like this idea of cllaiming the Stuff that gets thrown at us all the time anyway, just kind of claiming it and like doubling down on it. Yes. The horrors of being a woman and having a body.. So I always ask people to give my guest a question. What do you think Sarah would want to talk about? Answer smaller big, An story you want to prompt her to tell or anything you don't know about her yet Okay, I wrote down a few. Oh He' such a writer I really overthaought it. We way arrive. Let's get the room in here and let's just keep pitching. Yeah, I got together about thirty thousand of my favorite writers to put together a few questions for Sarah Okay. u I wanted to force her to talk about her tle musical theater career because she was really She has so many stories about like liberties she took with the characters that she was given. Amazing. Thank you. That's great U two like bigger questions. If you had a zillion dollars to make any disgusting practical creation, what would it be? Whoa, great question. We might have to ask all these questions. These are good. And then what is your biggest bomb and what's your favorite show that you've done? So it's like a, you know, best and worst because I feel like Sarah had some reallyally high highs and some really low lows. So I think either of those I would be really excited to hear about.. And then if there's time, where does she stand on the real Housewives of Rhode Island? You know if you're on, you know, if you're like hitting a wall conversationally Okay, perfect. I can't wait to ask her these questions, Really good questions, Vitra. Thanks for talking to us on your lunch break. I loved every second. Okay bye N to meet J, thanks so much By bye honey This episode is brought to you by Allstate, Checking Allstate first could save you hundreds on car insurance notot checking your pockets before putting clothes in the washer Oh Enjoy your freshly cleaned and completely destroyed earbuds. Yeah, checking first is a good plan. So check Allstate first for an auto quote. It could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate Potential savings vary subject to terms, conditions and availability, all state North American insurance compompany and affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois You should have I'm gonna kill my. You should have brought a food for the wall. It's okay you don't need to bring it. I don't want that to be bring food for the wall I didn't want it too to people to feel like they needed to brag. No would I could not to brag. I could have contributed to this. like I can only imagine what you would have contributed to this. It's so amazing I actually before we started, I wore these on behalf of you because I feel like you would like them. I wore a cheeseburger sneaker.ese in a food bar. I put one on the wall. What me It's a cheeseburger sneaker from It's dolls killed. It's doll's killed. And I feel like I'm not gonna lift my foot up 'cause I don't want any pervert Seeing our fe screenshots would sell for a lot of money, y Iice cream. re Oh great.. I feel good now. Okay. I'm not stressed. I was stressed that I didn't bring food, but I came as food. You came as food. I came as food Sarah Sherman is here. Do you feel weird now that you're wearing one shoe? uch a good question. Let me think let me take that in U ye, I'm gonna take the other sh. Yeah. But now perverts are gonna know that I'm barefoot whole time. the feet? No, God, I would never let anyone see my feet. Have you seen For free? No. for free. I look like. Tay at dinitner first, hello. J take me out to a plastic dinner first Have you seen your Wiki feed? Yeah. And what are we talking? I'm happy about it. Okay I you know, I feel like with body parts, no one knows this more than you. Like you have to some you make peace with, some you feel neutral about, some you have big thoughts about I like my feet. I look How about you got I got anxious recently. Well, as you know on the show, we have to wear many different shoes, many different hats, many different shoes, many different boigs. I'm always put in sort of, I think everyone's put doing a practical joke on me by putting me in these big heels to the point where one of the writers, Asha Ward showed. She puts like in the stage direction, like Sarah exits because that's heel shelf and' like,,e, click cl, cl, click cl, clack, 'causeuse can't walk on heel I'm around. And so something happened to my feet where I think one of my toes, I have no medical basis for this. I did not go to a doctor. I did not l this up. interesterest. I think that one of my toes is like Te I love that we werere talking about body stuff right away. I love it. You asked for it. I know I did. I asked for it. I don't know if I should look this up. In my head, one of my toes is just the bones are loose but inside of the toe sack. Well, I have a whole thing about, you know, like, o my go But your feet now we're really giving it for the perbs who love feet. but Your feet health are very important. like now because I'm getting to the age where I'm starting to read like early twenty one You're the age of barely twenty one legal always. That what needs to stay healthy for you to like survive the next feet? And feet is a big one. like meaning you got to be able take care of your feet, have good balance Do you have good balance? Can you balance on one leg I'm saying this like so cockily, I feel like yeah. Yeah, right on. You did it. And I don't have, I'm gonna say something A again, this is more feet thing. I have a huge arch. That's very so do I. It's Chis. And it's good to have it because Not only does it make your feet look nice when you want to eventually sell your feet picks, which of course're all gonna be there. I have tried actually and I have failed Okay, we're gonna get into that. Sarah Sherman is here. She is our first SNL current SNL cast member on the show. I want to scoop Do I roll the scoop? Like, how many years have you been on the show? Not far. five. But you just wrapped SNL, you have a comedy special out It's incredible. I cannot wait to talk about it. It's insane. It's quite insane. It's quite insane Right now you were in that like school's out summertime. like you just finished your last show last week. How are you feeling? How'd your energy level we yet I feel like I had so when you hosted this, that was at the very beginning, right? And not to suck your butt, but everybody goes, who's your favorite host? I go, Everyone goes Amy Polar. Like immediately.. And I had a lot of questions for you. I was like, what? I I would like every it's so funny Cast member You have such an experience. And then when you're a host, you have the experience, which is like you just wish you could immediately do it again. Yes, immediately I was just saying to some of my favorite times are always the in between times. Interesting. I love the like the joking around between scenes I like the like The beginning of the week. like the show is like the event. I tend to remember and like the weird middle times, and I have such a fond memory of me, youw and Bowen I know I sitting on a couch and really like getting to know you in a way that I don't think I had in a fast amount of time. Y. Laughing nonstop. I know, and a lot of giggles. A lot gig me laughing. Thank you for saying that. Okay, so I was your favorite host great. I appreciate that. my favorite Like I wish people saw The table read. Like that is when I am laughing. I'm like and that was my favorite part of your week because wellist, okay, I'm gonna the butt sucking is gonna commence You I'm usually doing that. Okay, good. Well, this is okay. a good hand. I'm gonna try to receive. I you like obvious it's like obviously you're good at SNL. likeike obviously, but Seeing, you know how many sketches are at table read like forty, You have a different funny thing. You were doing like fun new character voices for every sketch out of the forty and it's like, how many of those were cold reads? and you were just like like the doll with the eye? Oh yeah that was sketch. Seth wrote that laughing. He submitted a sketch for us he didn't do it. I try to watch so that I can organically laugh if I'm not in a sketch. I try not to read those sketes ahead of time. Oh, interesteresting. Okay. ye. you watch the whole table read But That's very generous of you because you're actually providing an audience, which people don't usually do. Like you know, everyone's in their own world at those read throughroughs and everyone's tired and everyone's like waiting for their stuff to get on. And so the fact that you could even do that means that you're like trying to actually stay present. Like you're generous person. And well I think it's also a right back take it. We're human centipe ourselves. all the way a rumor c. I mean Come on That's a good trilogy. That's three. I cannot believe that movie was made. The movies. There's three. know there's three. There are three. Okay. You need me to talk about the differences one reason, because I am so agghast at that movie, I get it constantly on my TikTok surge? Yeah, there's like a lot of clips about or like I just keep watch right because I'm horrified by it. Okaykay, sorry, I dig. You are making it happen. I'm gonna use your podcast platform to do something. Tom Six. No If you are Absolutely not. A human cent. No do not We do not need a human cen No I will she won't. She will not I will not allow her go absolutely not. Black and white. Noor b No Absolutely not. We don't need it. Not now the bed. We did it. most important cinema. It's been me. Fucking disgusting. And Tom, you are a freak Okay, but you're on your summer break. Yeah. So you like what do you do for your summer? What are you doing? I'm experimenting with something this summer. I don't understand how anyone can do anything while SNL is happening. Right. I feel like are you doing this? No Well I't said it was all consuming. When Iv even said to you because you did work birth And it was about you being the sketch when your host say about you being pregnant, giving birth to b. R. And I was like, okay, so this actually was your life The fact that you were pregnant there, I can't even work there like if my contact is too dry. I don't know what your life is and if you ever want to carry a child, but pregnancy is wild and funny and fun because you are completely different body and you body stuff And you scare a lot of people by walking around. And it scares me. Yeah, it's sccaary. And I'm like, what do you mean? They're moving my organs around inside me? They have to stay where they are. So sci fi that there's a body inside of you. I' never alone. I can't even imagine, like my body can't even take being at the job regular. Not that pregnant isn't regular New normal N normal. Hey I sw W it. But like if I had like a bad burrito and I'm like bloated, I'm like R. Well this what I mean is like the idea of like everyone knowing when someone has a stomach ache, that's new That is new. That's new. You know what I don't like? And I'll say, I'll stand on my two feet, buckle my shoe and say I don't like it. It's like hot girls with IBS. It's like, I'm not proud of the diarrhea that I have every single day, chronically. And as we're about seven minutes in. we' to diarrhea Yeah. I was hoping we' to the morning I just think that like more and more, There's a oh there's an acceptance that everyone has a different way to work Yeah within the system. Yeah. And I would say that You being on the show is also, I think, another example of like how the show has smartly Remember that it is a variety show with a million different voices and different styles. so There just was, I think, a little bit more it was just like a more homogenous same way to do it. S people writing it, same people on it, and it just keeps changing. I actually think about this a lot because I'm like, this is not even to say itselflf deprecatingly. said that with an accent. I don't think I would have gotten on the show during your era Be yeah, no, that's not controversial. But I would have I would like to be a more talented sketch performer. Okay, I find myself to be quite limited. do you know what I'm saying? Well Okay, Let's lucky stars I was not born you know, I was born when I was born. Okay, Sarah Sherman, let's go back. No, we're going back. We're going back to Long Island. We're going back eighteen years. Oh I'm eighteen now just turn eighteen Okay.ar Car you're twenty negative. So you're in Long Island as a little Yeah, as little. As a little, your mom is a public school teacher? Yeah. so was mine. And your dad runs a children's clothing company f anab. Like Of course these love clothes, off course you dress No, but I'm like addicted. Okay. it is his fault. Yeah. So so he is he's like a garmento. Yeah, he is like old school Jewish Smatta business. It's like everyone saw Uncut Gems was like the Diamond district in Manhantan, It's all those Jewish guys running around. Two blocks over is the garment district and Smat is Yiddish for rags. So it's like all the same kind of Jewish guys running around with clothes. Right. Long Island seems like it has produced some really complicated, interesting characters. Well I saw uncut gems.. And I go, huh, that's about my dad. Just a vibe. Right? So I stalked the writer and I was like, you wrote a movie about my dad. And he goes, Well, this is actually quite interesting because I'm from your neighborhood. I went to a high school near your high school and my dad is in Smata. so yeah, I did I know. Long Island. Okay. What does fifth grade, Sarah look like? annoying. I was like because I was like the clothes thing. Like my dad was in Shmata. I grew up around clothes. So like I was addicted to the nanny, Golden girls. and like my big thing in middle school when I started doing middle school plays, this orange who ran the costume department would let me kind of raid The costume closet. o This makes sense and you're into that. yeah. we always speak to people who know our guests really well. we get a question from them and we talk to Mitra Metra gave us a t. She's the best. What did you do And she gave us a couple really good questions. throughout this interview, I'm gonna pepper them in because off course, Mitra, good girl, giving us so many good questions. I'm sure. I'm sure the list is long. And this Miss Orange reminds me of one of those questions, which is Um You did a lot of musical theater as a kid. did. And you took liberty with some parts. And Njra, you know what you have done Meet her knowose. She's helping out her friend. I just Let me explain myself H' for me defend myself here H always wanted to be a comedian. like I grew up watching Why do you think? Funny family? Funny family. Okay. Really funny family, Fny dad, Fny, like, you know, love expression was like mean bullying. fununny. it. It was addicted to like Seinfeld and SNL. Brothers and sisters. Younger brother, also funny, but I was kind of like a bully, but it was funny. Yeah So you know, that's when bings were funny. I know.. I had a big science room skeleton in my room. My parents were always like Why'd you end up like this? You normal. And I'm like, you got me a giant science room skeleton when I was like You my brother was like three on April. I loved April Fool's Day 'cause that also felt like the comedian's day to shine. It's like clowns Christmas He was like three and I put this giant life size science room skeleton in his bed and he woke up crying, you know, R. So it's like stuff like that. I love A My Bob Mitzfell was on April Fool's Dday. Wh. What was the theme? was April Fools? It was April. And the invitation was snakes in a can that I hand delivered to everyone's house You learn so much about people when they talk about their barn and b. You really do. Like I bare was int here and his was like, I like I like he was running was like he was like running for, you know, president or whatever. You learn so much about what their hopes and dreams are. Okay. Snakes in a cann and.ions on every seat And like, you know, you're on anibiates, but you're like on the BMa, the stage at the synagogue. I had a rapped audience of like eighty year old. Old Ball Jewish guys, I was going. That was my first like I crushed Ib bom I'm like. Do you remember any of your materials?? No? Of course. It's like, 'causeuse it was my first you I was I've been what is it chasing the dragon or whatever everver since, likeike the high. Yeah was I went to a very conservative synagogue. Okay. And it's like the service is like eight hours intense Hebrew. I didn't know a word I was saying And they go like, and now the sisterhood of the temple would like to present you with your gift. And like these two conservative women came up with candlesticks. they go, great, just what I always wanted in the front going My name is K It's fone for like a second. but I bet. It was kind of like everyone was like, Oh I was killed. Turning to a camera that's not there. Okay, so what liberties did you take as a musical theater kid? How did you interpret the part? Wh you're so ev ro? Is this a non PC story? So I just wanted to be a comedian and I wanted toform. So it's like I would do any play. Like I would do like I couldn't sing or dance, but I'd do the musicals because I just wanted to do it. and I could never get a part because I wasn't good. was in with the costume closet, Ms. Orange would let me like that's I got addicted to like eighties's little like sequin jackets because like Grndma Yetta on then Nanny would wear them and that's she and Miss Orange, let me keep the jacket. I know. the one that looked exactly like Grandma Yetta's sequin jacket And so she let me kind of, I didn't have a part. I was in the chorus and into the woods. Oh yeah. Which was behind a screen. You were in the woods. I was in the woods in silhouette. Sure. So I was just basically a little outline But I was in the costume closet I found a red and black Lace gown with a firm hand muff. Oh yeah. And I went to the director and I said, So, this is my costume. I am my character is the Russian arinna And I'm just I didn't really think I even knew what that was. I didn't have my words, I didn't have an accent, nothing. And so in the play bill It would be like all the leads listed and then like the chorus, a whole list of all the faceless people behind the scrim. and then Sarah Sherman will be playing the Rush. She's the herermmena That's incredible. You create Pon neurood disorder. But it's such a cop. I mean, that is the thing about you, Sarah is and like we'll get to it with S andL, but like there is an innate confidence about you. And I say that because I want you to know to me, that's like the what distinguishes people on us andL right away. Sure. Whether the content doesn't matter. It's like, are we worried about you when watching you? I'm never worried about you. anytime you're phone ever performing. And it's not like cocky 'cause you're super self deprecating all the time. You're very honest, you're very like your feelings are right up front and center But there is a confidence that I feel like you just were born with. this idea of like grabbing things and wanting them. I think I am so used to bombing, even though it sounds like I crushed my first time at bat. I'm so it's like and everything that has every bad thing that could happen to me on stage has already happened kind of thing. So it's like, I don't even know if it's like confidence it's like I'm a fucking us this shit right now. It's like what what more could happen? L even in the Maxon Square Garden, what more could happen? But ambivalence is confidence too. Yeah is like this idea of like, I'm just gonna float a little bit a little dissociation too. Yeah like I're gonna float above this moment so that you're gonna have to come find me. I'm not gonna be like like me, like me, like me. Right. That's the difference But you went to Northwester Yeah. And oh, this is what I find so interesting when you talk about like, I want to have more experience in sketching improv. You Try out for like the sketch group Don't get in. Yeah., which was like is devastating? That's devastating. And I had tried standup, like I dabbled a little bit when I was like sixteen. L I like going doing an open mic at like a bbecue restaurant because you know, I couldn't do a bar yet. Like I dabbled a little. But that was my first big like You know, all I wanted to do was be a comedian and when someone was like, my peers were like, no, I was like, are you kidding me? Yeah. And so I'm full of I could be motivated by spite. But then you start a comedy show in Chicago called Hell Trap Nightmare. Yeah How would you describe that show? Like the first Id like that you rolled the eyes. like how did I even o begin This is the first show This is my friend's basement. of course. It was Chicago has like an amazing DIY electronic noise crazy performance art comedy scene And like, you know, there was like comedy like there's all this improv in Chicago and whatever, but it's like the funniest people to me were these like freaks. Yeah. So like my friend Mike Sugarman was performing as under this noise moniker, Shug And the first heald Trump nightment night nightmment I a stroke. The first hell trarap nightmare was at my friend's basement. The poster was like a woman's face was see through and you could see her teeth and brains. Sure. Be I was like, you know, that's the trigger warning. Yeah And you know, I hosted, I did like ten bad minutes of sand upp. And then my friend Shug came out in a trenchcoat in a wig, sunglasses flashed everyone and he had Chorizo tape to his dick and was, you know, smashing light bulbs, but that was music of course. Yeah. And I think I did a U I don't even know what theseese bits were like it was like a stretch to call it comedy. Like Well, it was like performance art Right. Yeah. but with but with like the intent was to be funny, but ye when I I chugged a can of room temperature clam chowder. I think the joke was literally like, o, you like a woman who's a tall drink of water? I'm a tall can of clam chowder and then chug the whole thing and everyone's like, cool Okay. You know, we don't need to look back on our bits and explain them. They were just like moments. They were moments, bab. you were experimenting. Of course. But were you were like, I mean, I think it's one of the things that you've brought to the show, like just your aesthetic, not only outside, but like your influences, are very, very interested in types of media and art. I am. We talk about in your special, like like Paulaounds own fucked. You also talk about like It really makes sense, by the way. and gave birth to what? Oh! So they just say stuff and I'm like, man that's going on But also Red and stimpy and like peewwe. what were your like, what kind of stuff where you like when you think about All that stuff that jammed in your head when you were younger, what got in there I think like I always u I loved doing art and making stuff. And I also loved performing comedy. And for some reason, I didn't know that you could do both at the same time like when I had started. So it was like twenty fifteen like You know, there's not like the internet and the way it is now or like I didn't realize I could blend art. Like I was doing all the posters for my show Like ' it's like it was very, you know, raunchy blue, like horrific comedy. So I'd make the posters be like, lungs with nipples on it and I'd be like, you know what the show's gonna be, whatever. Right. The letters are like a ampon with pp onon. I wasn't that creative. but I was like, oh, that was like a trigger for you for the. Awesome. My mom, by the way, too my special taping wore my old Helltp nightmare shirt, which was a uterus with ovary eyeballs and a severed finger shoved up into and a smiling like open gashed vagina But all would you guys do insert picture here. Sarah. How did you What do your parents think are? L how do they it is so intense? It's intense. It's intense.. I beesistic because like if it's a man, it's they get a different past, but like your stuff as a parent because your parents love you and they love they love the work. How did they like do they invite their friends to your show? They they're down. It is It's literally like Paul Schrader Hardcore When he has to watch his daughter doing porn. it is that. But But they love it. They love it. They are really supportive and I do think I hate to say it I think that's like what the confidence is a little. Okay, I think that that's true. I didn't want to say it, but like I'm learning about like loving parents' privilege.. If you have parents who are like you are great, that really creates a scaffolding for the rest of your life, obviously when you try things where you're like Well, I guess my parents will still love me. No, there's not a threat of losing my family. Yeah. Maybe this is TMI, but I did a bit, I've done a lot of like updates where I'm in a big animal costume and that is Lauren's idea. Yeah. because I think I'm like, he's like, what am I gonna to do with her? She's crazy. She's like a wild animal. Oh I'll just make her be a wild animal. I know that he pitches B like he was like, you're gonna play a squirrel. and I'm like, okay. Whatever you want? You're my boss. Okay, boss He said like after I did, I think a squirrel or some fucking animal, he said, when you did that, I could tell you were loved as a child. And I was like Cocked. She has very Oh yeah Oh yeah Oh yeah Yeah, he he, as the kids would say, he can read you really fast. Fulfill. 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Sharna Halperurn ran in Pv Olympic, a theater in Chicago now called IO because the Olympics sued and made them chang their name. The Olympics. The Olympics. That's right. And Sharna was the was the The director who in my case just like put me on an improv team, said, Hey, there's a woman named Tina. you're gonna really like her. Thank guys Shar arranged that marriage. And Sharna was in charge of so many of us and like launched so many careers. Oh my God, I didn't know that. So howperurn Sharna got you in front of the Shna Sharna she's always had an eye. That's great because I I just wanted to do comedy. I couldn't get into the fucking college thing u I was like, oh, I'll go do it in Chicago. stuff in Chicago. And I was like kind of a bad fit. and I'm like not again, I feel self conscious about my limited range. It's like you kind of need a little bit of range for improv and I was kind of not a good fit there and I would also wear like They would be like, I'd have to get talking to. It's like, hey, you're wearing a big shirt with the brain on it. A little distracting. I'm like f f. I was like, I'm kind of a bad fit there. Yeah. But she was like, you're gonna do the SNL audition. And at that time, I was like, I was twenty two and I was like, that's a bad idea because I was doing these with thezo penis, whatever. R I was like I just didn it and she She was like, you're gonna do that. She's like, you're going gonna be greatike if you need help with it. And I was like, Well, everyone tells you I didn't know anything and you know, everyone's like, Oh, your five minutes has to be like characters and impressions or whatever So I did that and it was obviously terrible Like it was just like I was trying to do what I thought the assignment was. Sure. And I bombed really badly.. I wore like my I remember what I wore. I wore I know we're actually finding out on'm my clothes addict. All my memories are marked by like my outfit. Well, I would say that you're you like work from the outside in. Yeah. Yeah. actuallyually this is a problem at SN. Right. Well now it's time now for season six. Inside out We inside, It's really hard. I'd love to see you just in a I would love to see you in a neutral dress, a slip dress, hair natural, no makeup. Yes. L slowing Hello children. Your homeworkkss late. Big recurring character Your homeworks late. I think consid to write that down It's amazing. But this is Lauren's big thing with me. He's like, just let's just ye, get it to And I'm like, for s. Okay, it's okay. It's okay. donon't be yourself up. I mean, it's a lot to ask. It's a lot. It's hard. It's hard. It's hard to show any especially when you're It's like playing with it's like practicing with your backhand. L you're really your forehand is really strong and you're like I can score and someone's like, now hit it with your backhand and you're like, now I don't. You try. Yes.. I try like, you know, Ashley Padilla started two years ago and I'm like, oh my God, like character and like Eone every character she has is like an internal world and like the jokes come kind of easy to her because she has like inside She like knows what the character wants and there's like there's a motivation there and I feel like I've been doing it all wrong for like six fucking years because I'm like, what if the wig is weird. And then you have to come Like writing the joke because it's so much harder because you're like forcing it from the other way around. It it's outside in. so it's a little harder. I'm going to say something right now. I think You're not afraid of the failure, I think you're afraid of the success. because I actually think you can do it I actually think you are a good actor and you But you're afraid of being successful at it So Like wants to cast me, I'm not afraid of being an actor. I am free. People say that thing where they're like, o my god, do're stand upp that's so brave. I'm like, it's cowardice. It is true. Yes. It is true cowardice. Like you know, so many things even in my special are like people are like, Ohh my god, you're like loose and riffing You think I would riff ing my ail C. pre planned bit. I'm like, I'm going to find someone in the crowd wearing glasses. And I go, whyy' do you wear glasses to the shows? so you could wear your pre prebeesant I' sorry wrong. That's Okay., we'll add it here we go. I don't take. This is my failure She vulnerable s. But you should make your own blooper vulnerable blooper realel All, showing m in pzwood. Heang guys Why did you wear glasses to the show so you could see my pre puescent body battery pre everyone goes Do think I thought of that on the spots? Eight years ago and I've been saying it every day since Scks. I feel like once you get the confidence of u Knowing that you're not gonna get fired from the show, basically, like which is true. Like you're at that point. Congrats, babe. you're at that point. I was crazy this season a little bit. Well, you might get fired from something you say for sure, but not for lack of like we don't need you. Right. But yes, you might get fired yeah. Yeah yeah. I'd be say. HR did want me to talk to you. Yeah Yeah. I'm sorry for what I did and who I touched. Yeah ye Yeah. I have to say, like what I find so impressive about you is you have managed to maintain yourself, your POV and your sense of what you think is funny. Yeah and you worked within the system. I. e like you coming at Cin an update is a perfect example where you're like sure. Okay, I'm going to use this structure. I'm going to hit Colin who's like the ultimate like Alfa J straight white punching bag, successful punching bag. and he can handle it. Yes. And why it's so satisfying to watch becausecause to me it also And you do this a lot in your comedy, especially in your special whereere you like play around with what I like to call like the millennial threat, L this idea that like someone's going to get something wrong. Yes. But people are very scared to screw up. Yes. And I have. Of course, we all have. Yes. But you are like pressuring the powers that be that they might fuck up. It's very exhilarating to watch becausecause obviously it's also talking about like cancer cls and like misogyny and like patriarch and all that stuff. But it's not it's just funny. Right. And it's like as mean as I'd be to Colin, calling him a pedophile, whatever, whatever. I'm really mean to myself Yeah. So yes, you know, but even that, it's like I got lucky on the show because I had joined the show as a complete I was shocked that I was there. All my friends, like the inside joke was like, okay, Sarah's gonna show up as a waiter anding go want some water, maam, and they got fired. You know, that was a big joke with all my friends who are apparently like love me and are nice to me oratever But it like so I was just happy to be there Yeah. And I wasn't expecting anything to happen. Like I was writing sketches, but I didn't really know. I didn't even have final draft until midnight on writing night. Like I didn't know about any of this. And then so I wasn't getting any sketches on the show, but I didn't really care But then Colin was like, why don't you come on update and do like yourself and I didn't even know that you could do that There is some version of getting known on the show and it doesn't stamp you forever, but like where people see you as a face But I wouldn't have done that if he didn't say so ' it felt like presumptuous or something. Right I really was there to be like a good sport and just do whatever the job was. Okay, but I just w to gently say to you that you should just take credit for that success because even though it wasn't your original idea, perhaps, we all know the will collaborateate We' collaborating, working together, but you have to deliver. One other thing I want to ask you about and then we'll jump off of SNL, but Louis Let's talk about Louis's aarion. What is there to say? Louis runs the makeup department T He is Incredible. It's crazy. Like let's talk about him for a second and what he's made for you. What hasn't he? He does Prosthetics and makeup takes time Yeah. And like I think I've seen people describe the SNL makeup experience as a pit crew. There's like eight people putting on a bald cap at once. I've moderated Comicon panels for him where it's like it'll be a guy in a Grogu suit or whatever being like, sir, what's your fastest bald cap application? And he goes, two minutes and you hear the crowd go Yeah. You see like every X men character in like a blue m make they should make a TV show like the pit. Yes. And they should make it in the makeup room of Louis's room because the way the in like in the pit, the way they like save people by like stabbing them in the heart and like,, like that's how Louis has to do makeup. Yeah, he's ripping a bird beak off and putting googly eyes on my eyes and he's get out there She's having so much fun, like ye He never says no. He's having so much fun. He films the whole thing and it's like, we could have like forty five seconds to get me looking from Jessica Rabbit into like Ms Grinch or whatever. And he still has like one selfie. And it's like hilarious. He like gets off on the thrill of it.. Like my favorite, we did a thing where it was like, it was supposed to look like me and Michael B. Jordan got stuck on a roller coaster and it like it blew our like hair and mouth open. And I was like I was like, can you make it look like I have a speculum in my mouth like blowing my mouth out, but you don't see any plat? Like it just has to look like it's naturally like that. And he doesn't say no. Right Well, that's what an emergency room doctor is like, we'll see what we can do. Yeah. let the baby die? I think so. Yeah Eact same stakes. for our comedy show. It's the same stakes. It's the same stakes. And that's if there's any takeaway, is that what you do is as important as people that work in the. No one bang their pots and pans for me Mos. This is another mjor question. If you had unlimited funds Oh and you could make any disgusting creation, what would it be? I don't know if I want to ask you this question. Yeah, maybe let's say on SNL so we have to say that it passes like you have like Because there have been That isn't this is another reason why working outside in. I love that. taking that. I write my book about that.. So you have fun with your book. I'm taking outside in. It's like It's such it can be such a hindrance because like me and Danbola had like this idea for like maybe a sketch that's like at like a facial spa or something. And when they take our sheet masks off, it just pulls the whole front of our face off For years, me and Louis have been like, well how are we gonna do that 'causeuse like when I first started the show, I was in like one schedule every six and a half months. so was But now it's like mayaybe I'll be playing Trump right beforeh hands. Wh knows, James? I'm coming for your breakfast machos So it's like if I had unlimited funds It would be like I would be able to do something like that really fast with L like I just w to take my whole face off. Why do you want to? I don't know. It's really weird. And it's not normal. It is Like when you say that, my brain pictures it and I'm like, Oh, Sarah Sarah, you just made your life so much harder. But I know I'm but that is just It also is like there is a There's such an incredible performance art artist. like you have a Cindy Sherman bi You have a like you have a you have like a dance with the grotesque that's super interesting. And it's always like what level is like gross? what grosses you does anything gross you out? The other day Literally, I like, you know how people like chew on their like sleeves or like Oh yeah, like wet? What fabric on my teeth? L I got grae on the train on the tooth with my own sleeve and it like gave you a chill. That's like my nails on a chalkboard. is like stuff like that. Okay, but any kind of like your face peeling off, you're down. All good. all good. Oh good. and then My last question in the SNL space is ' we all have them, what does your SNL stress dreams look like? I actually wrote a sketch about this. Okay, incredible is, oh my go, I wish I could remember the sketch because it was like, you know when you say up all night, you're like I'm getting a Nobel Peace Prize. I just wrote Classic sketch. Classic sketch. Yeah. They always win the Nobel Peace Prize. I'm like if read it wrote it two years ago, I'm sure if I read it today, I'd be like, what? You know what I mean? when you' Yes. My stressed gream is always writing night. Okay And it's always I get to I'm at writing night And the clock says it's like midnight or one in the morning and I don't have anything yet. And I'm going from room to room with like my tin can being like, you with me? And everyone's like, no, I'm already busy, I already have my thing for the week. And I'm going door to door down the hallway. the hallway gets longer. Barry, Okay, Christopherolan, don't steal this Odyssey two. Oh. Odyssey two Yeah, the human scent to be. Don't tent me with a good time, Mbe Polar. And the hallway just gets longer and longer and I'm like, Do anyone want to write with me? And that's like that's what I'm the most anxious about all the time. It's like bombing on live TV is one thing. Bombing, trying to get someone to write a sketch with you is a fate worse than death I have one more stress dream. That was my first year. Okay, which was there is a prop toilet on the floor of eight H This I have this dream two times. There's a propt tw onn the floor of eight H. I know it's not hooked up to any pipes. I know it's a prop And I shit in it anyway and everybody's looking at me like the last shot in murder on the Orient Express, there's like a shower where they're like all looking down at this dead body and you see the POV of the dead body looking back at everyone. And I see everyone looking at me going The tooilet's not h'm, whyy didd you do that? And I'm going, I know, I have no idea what happened And my Yng Y and dream analyst at the time said that When you poop in a dream, Gross It's it's like you're putting work out there and you're embarrassed I were tal ye. And also, do you have a youngian dreams anal. Do you do a lot of therapy? I do manyany times a week Oh, fun. Doesn't seem to be working Online or in purse. I'm on the You're on the couch,ia. I'm lying down in the couch and B all time What I'm doing like analysis. I'm call I'm doing analys. That's old school. Yeah. And u just I just noticed recently because I don't look at my therapist. and sometimes I'll like, blah or female therapist Wish it's a man It's not fixed. It's a man. It's not working A woman would fix it rest I said something and I heard his laugh behind me and I went It forgot it was there. Yeah, And I was like, stop. I don't know why. That was so immediately I was like I never looked at him. I was like, Oh my get it together. You're making me think about like my stress dreams for SNL were less about like will you guys, you know, like where where can I get in here and write with people or like, oh no, my my The shit in my toilet you guys don't like, which is your work, your work. But mine was disappointing Mine was about disappointing like powerful figures. It's a very Jen Xy stress dream. So mine was Always mine was always about I would often have it, which is I'd hear Jenna Rasitano as we talked about the Great AD calling me. and I would realize, oh my God, I'm not on stage. Like I'm missing my my Q. Yeah. And I had it more than once where I'd be running down from nine to eight and I'd pass everybody whose opinion I cared about. And they look at you And they would go like this and it was everyone you could imagine. it was people from my past, It was people working on the show. It was always, of course, Luren. And everyone was just like, wow, like you really let us down It's like, Amy Poolar, you are late for hot doog Bart Mmentzma. Here your prosthetic butt. Your funny wig It's so crazy. what gives us literal anxiety trauma is like you running to go do like mister butt and the hot doog hospital How are going You're a disappointment to your father. Like, Wait. I have to go be Captain Circh Iusic. So stupid. So stupid. So stupid. Okay. And the last question that Mitra wanted me to ask you she had so many good ones was like the and you're talking, you've talked about it a little bit, but like the biggest bomb and the best and the favorite show you've ever done because we talk about you must have bombed big time and I'm kind of fascinated about your time opening with Adam Sandler. who talk about what a I mean like terrific lovely person and Nicest person probably to be around and open for, but the audience might not have been that ready for you. He is is a good way to say it Bank and thank you. I'll take it away from here. Okayact say. It is okay, butt sucking initiation. a computer enhanced butt sucking right now. You and Adam There have been other cat like Fred you guys are so mchy that it's like I'm thinking of people who have like Howould anyone do SNL without the menches?? L I have Adam being like, you're doing great kid. Like I would have blown my brains out from here to the Western Seaboard if I didn't have him being like, you got it, dude. Yeah. He's so every time you see him, how's your mother? How's your father? How's Hanukah? What's going on? I love you. W, how are you? So mentchy And like For him, I have bombed a lot Yeah because people have paid good money to be there. They have hired babysitters. They drove all the way from haack and sack. They are six drinks in. they are there to see Adam Sandler, not Long Island presidents, Sarah Sherman, someone they don't know who's sweating up there. They have paid good money to see the wedding singer. Well, honestly, when I was watching your special, I was fascinated by the audience Be I was like this audience So your special Sarah squm, live in the flesh Live and in the flesh, live plus in a flesh.. That was That was a big thing. Live plus, Lve plus in the flesh And and first of all, why is it tair squirm That was how I like when I was doing these basement shows the tre one stuff, it was just like the poster was like, you know, I wrote written in guts. It was like Also I was like performed with bands like piss piss piss moan, mo moan. R in peace, Alejandro, he has passed this crazy thing to say It was I was like, I don't want to just be like An Sarah. And then there's Sarah. So like I was kind of like it was like it was like your punk persona. It was like it was like X ray specs or like Alice Cooper or something. Yeah. And I like it's very music. It's very music like the show that's it was the shows that I was doing because I was like, I just, you know, it was it was the vibe. Yeah Did you get pressuure to Oh like, did people say it should be Sarah Sherman? So then when I got so so like I audition for when I audition for SN I'll do, you know Oh no, I was doing I was just performing Sarah Squormm at the time and I wasn't really like thinking about it. And then when I got, so that that's on all of my SNL paperwork is just they found me at a show as Sarah Squirorm. So that's stillerwk. you've never been paid. I've never paid I don't work there My alter ego works there I point to another ghost over here. I alter ego works there And Lauren, when I got the job, Lauren called me and was like, you know, they were like, Ohh, Sarah, L Lauren's calling you and I was like, he And he's like, we think squirm is a little distracting. And I go Say no more Have you know who liked that? Y parent. Yeah My mom is still still this day. It's like people be like, H this a squir, and she's like, no Yeah don't call me that. Yeah. They want to hear Sheran. They want to hear Sherman. Yeah. And so when I was doing the special, like not, you know, people don't know me from standup really because I know the ticket sales show. Pittsburgh.! They're like you know everyone's like, it should be like Sarah Sher en liven in the flesash, but I'm like, but that's not the character. Yeah, I get it. And it really helps set like the table. L you said, like you set the table really fast. In fact, the table is set. It's set because it's got the fl The special starts with something I've never seen in a comedy special, which is like it's like There's like a warning of graphic violence. There It's like there's a warning of graphic like there's so many warnings. There is No know You also start with John Waters. I know, which is the ultimate trigger warning. Yes, you're're so right. If he's like put to kind of put a stamp on something. You know that like there's gonna to be so much poop. talked about for sure. And also just like he's like this this, I mean, he's What does he mean to you, John Waters? L. How did you get him? How did you he? You wrote him a letter. I wrote him a letter that was like, I drew like Everything what's so helpful with visual art or like all this it's like you can provide your own trigger warning Always. So I wrote Oh like for the posters for Hell trarap, it's like, there's a butth hole, that's bleeding with an eyeball. L you know what you're getting into Oh my God. Sarah, Eough Okay So I wrote him a letter and there was like intestines all over it and I was like, do you w to like you know's this, do you want to play the stage manager in my standup special? And I was like, yourour scene partner will be this. And then I drew a little picture of me as like the bones and guts on the floor. And I'm like, this who you're gonna to be talking to. And then I put my number at the bottom of the letter, and I was like, if you're interesteding call me or whatever, And then I was gonna end of therapy on a particularly devastating read of a day I had just bought a loaf of sourdough bread and I was literally walking down my block, ripping off pieces of bread and eating it like an animal or a raccoon. Good job, Ln, you kn And I got a call from an unknown number Baltimore arerea code. Hey Sarah, it's John Waters. I'll see you on set What Yeah I I said to my producers becausecause I had written the stage manager character. way to say it. I'll see you on. I was like, That's an old school fun way to say it. I see you on. And I was like, do you want me to is there anything you wantan to say? And he was like, I'm not writing it. You wrote it. And I'm saying way you wrote. And I go, that's professional. Yeah, yeah. He doesn't have fununch upob. He's like, I'll be. I bet he had about like a two hour door to door, right? Like he was like you get a heart out. I'm gonna be out here in an hour and a half He was being hilarious and he was pitching jokes because could he could have And guess what? They made it in. Yes. Okay You want some visine? because my eyeball's out? That was a John Motter's original refiff See here Like I'm the luckiest girl in the world. That's the crazy thing. I keep going back toestingal, but you're bringing it out of me, girl I didn't have SNL. I would be a random crazy person. I to say something, I don't find you crazy. I don't think you're crazy. That's why you're interesting. because if you were truly detached in like in a way, and not to name names, but like other sometimes like performers who are kind of in your milia or vibe are, then it's hard then it's kind of hard to attach. Sure. It is hard. Okay, they're in their own like creative world, but like I don't know. we're just gonna kind of watch it from afar, but you aren't So it it's very interesting because command of what you're doing in a way that's Right. There is but I'm like without SNL, would I have been able to do this crazy comedy special there's like a clay butt that starts out gost Would John Waters have agreed? Like I don't know probably Thank God. And for people that have listened all the way to the end, I mean there is a clay butt that happens right in the beginning. you don't like it. turnurn it off. Y. Turn it. Speaking of comedy as we end, what you who are you listening to laughing? 'causeuse you know, you do comedy all day for a job. what do you watch? Yes to laugh. Like what is your checkout? like is it a video? Is it Are you watching old movies? Are like what's making you laugh? Most recent, always realal Housewives The last question Meetra had for you is, are you enjoying Real Housewives, Rhode Island Listeners, Sarah is just like she's just she's aghast at the obvious yes. Did you grow up watching soaps? Yeah, I want you to out hospital whichich was my Favorite show a time. Were' you on a so? I begged to be on a general hospital so I could bring my mom And we met so many C currntthos and sobbed for days Okay, I just talked to Paulappell, who also loves soaps and has not been on one and I feel like Paul should definitely be Oh. I think you were like are you kidding? and I was like, no. Who did you play on the soap? A woman Russian, the Russians are. The Russians are know No. U I I love talking about what makes me laugh. I was watching home movies the other day. Hysterical laughing off your family. No, I wish actually that would be nicer the cartoon. Oh yeah. ye. Okay, I don't know home moovies. It's fucking funny. And it's very crude animation. have. Yeah. It's so funny. Dying laughing. Oh we've got some friends in there. friends there. Ahean Benjamin. Okay, got it. so laughing And it's Animated toome created by Brendon Small and Laura Buschard who made Bob's Burgers's got it, got it got it home laughing. So are you a big animation girl You're not. No. 'ause I bet people are like, you're like animation. What You look like a cartoon, you fucking bug eyed bitch, do Jesus Aolog you said it to your so No. Apologize. my friend Sarah. Pad. pad in myself.'re but you're not a cartoon person. No, 'cause they like it they can't emote or anything. L I love Rd and stimpy. I'm not like laughing out loud. Yeah. So I don't know why. They're loving it. Get my. Yeah, that's good And then that's really funny. I just did do you know Hollywood Handbook? the podcast. I love Hollywood Handbook. I was Okay, I sa shout out to Hollywood Handbook. Those guys are hysterical. I saw them recently in a restaurant and asked if I could be on their pod. And I watched And they were like no. they were like, where you' booked. And also I watched you in Hollywood Handbook and that bit went on forever. So it was forty five minutes. Yeah, it's just one long bit. Just one long fat joke And it they it was so I love a bit that goes on that long. I love it. And they were like acting like they hated it. I love it. They say like Sean will say one I can't, like I was laughing like a baby last. Like I was going like laughing so hard, sweating through my pants So I need through my hat and my pant. I know, I think there's some delight And it's kind of it's I'm goingm I'm going to bring us back. There is some kind of delight that you have that I share which is If you get to be around like like minded and safe people and you guys are like playing like and going like just on the corner and edges of things, but it's with people that are like not just like nice people that you like basically. There's no greater joy because it feels like you're actually like, I guess I imagine it would be like Entering dangerous terrain with people who are really skilled that will take care of you.. That's the closest. I mean, we're not actually just relaxed. the I love that too. love I love a family that teases each other. That to me is a sign of intimacy. And it's a sign of safety. If you're with it obviously has to be the right people in the right way. But like when that happens, it feels like like a special kind of magic. Yeah. And like, yeah, we're making fat jokes. Is that amazing? No, but it's safe. You can like be a little scary when it's like safe. Yes Oh You're so right Well, congratulations on being a vet. Was that an abrupt goodbye What should we do? I'm going to put my shoe back on. Oh Oh thanks for good I belie that I've had my shoes off the entire time. D How did it feel? Did you feel grounded? It didn't feel bad. I don't mind it. It didn't feel like b It didn't feel b. didn't Yeah, I know what you mean. Like was I grounding during that time? Like, did you b were the whole time, you were talking to me? Were you like Are you a shoes off person in your house? Pople have my shoes on and I like Frankenstein boots all day. Yeah. I'm not even wearing them right now. so you think I'm a fucking liar.. I'm wearing for cuties though. But that's not shown for free. Yeah, that's not shown forree, man. pay for that. Yeah That's correct. A lot becausecause we're on TV. Yeah. andI's gonna take everybody's jobs. So we're gonna the only thing robots don't have human feet. And when they show them, they have an extra toe. and that's kind of interesting. And if you were listening at the very beginning, Sarah has a weird condition where her big toe is just a sack of bones.. So if that's your kink And you gotta go to her toe channel. And And if you are only listening to the end of this podcast, weird, why didn't you listen to the beginning? D just like scrub. And if that's your cink we're k chaming you, but you might want to think about listening a podcast entire way through because it also might be satisfying I like to kink shape. I think it's weird. when people like stuff that's weird. orry. Sarah, thank you for doing Thank for. for Thank you so much, Sarah Squirm, Sarah Sherman It was so fun to talk to you and you're so fast and funny and What a delight. And u You know, Sarah and I talked about a lot of people that we've had the pleasure to work with, but I just want to give a little shout out again to a woman in my life who really shaped my career. and I know a lot of people in Chicago could say the same, and that is Sharna Halperurn Sharna. U was the