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Call one eight hundred five two six seven seven thirty six to learn more. orr visit trmpharadio d. com Hello everyone. welcome to another episode of Good Hang. I am very excited. We have a movie star with us today. We have a superstar and that is Tom and Tom Holland, who is in two of the biggest movies to come out this summer, The Odyssey and Spider Man Brand new Day, I think they're coming out in the same month. He's a legend. He's the best. And we talk about so many great things. We talk about your dad roasting your friends We talk about the joy of dancing. We talk about doing American accents. And I tell him that I believe that he is the type of man that will save us from toxic masculinity. So he takes on that responsibility like a good man does. So cannot wait to get started, but before we do We always talk to somebody who knows our guests and we speak to Jacob Batalone today. Jacob, who plays Ned in Spider Man is Tom's really good friend in real life. I mean, they grew up together on set, you guys. So let's get Jacob on the line here and I'm gonna get my headphones. And we'll check in, Jacob, are you there And this episode of Good Hang is presented by Paul Mlive. Family time isn't just the big moments. It's weeknight dinners, sitting around the table, everyone talking at once. So when the plates are empty and the sink is full Use Palmlive Ultra. Palmlive's most powerful formula removes up to ninety nine point nine percent of grease, leaving your dishes sparkling clean. And the new convenient pump makes cleaning even easier. So you can spend less time tackling dirty dishes and more time together Now Palmlive. com Hey Jacob. Hey, hey, what's going on? Mahala God. What's going on? I'm so sorry. my dog is like not leaving me alone. Not at all. let's talk about this dog For people that can't see this dog. What kind of dog we got here? She's a multip poo, sos She's so cute. She's well groomed. Yeah, she's pretty. She just got her haircut and she's I swear to God, she was like not bothering me the whole day. And then as soon she sees me on Zoom, she's like, fucking time to get to get going. L We love dogs on Zoom. dog. What's her? What's her name? Her name is Volpics, like the Pokemon Oh Yeah. amazing Yeah, so there's that. Jacob, it is so nice to talk to you. Oh thank you so much for having me. This is so awesome. I literally need to get the gushing out of the way, pause. literally I love you so much. This is so great. I'm such a big fan of you. Thank you very, very much for saying that. I have two teenage boys and they're kind of blown away that I'm talking to you today. Amazing. Oh, That's really nice. You're very, very famous. and they love your work as do I. and I love I love Like I will just say and I feel it already the work that you do Your spirit comes through. Oh, thank you so much. That means a lot to Amy. Thankk you. Of course. It's really kind. and may I say like it's also just it's very Hawaiian. I appppreciate it. yeah. I mean, hopefully people are still proud of me back home. Well, there is this thing, this like there's something very H to pin down or like explain, it almost like explaining it ruins it about Hawaiian people and culture. But I mean, I just have to say Thank you for your energy and Hawaii and their energy because it means a lot. We're thrilled to talk to you today because you and Tom, Holland are guests who I've never had the pleasure to meet and can't wait to meet are genuinely really good friends. Yeah, yeah, we I mean, I think It's not hyperbole to say that we've literally seen each other grow up And u I'm obviously proud of who he's become and like what he's done with his life and where he's gone his career as well But it's crazy. we You know, att the time, we weren't even allowed to drink alcohol. Yeah. And now we're thirty. I know, I mean in researching for today, the fact that when you guys got the parts, you were eighteen, nineteen. Yeah. Yeah.. we were about And frankly signing, you know a contract that was like, we're going do a lot of movies with you. And it's going to be the next ten years of your life. I mean, that is a big decision to make at that age Boy, you're gambling that the person you're working with like hopefully is not a dick, right? Exactly. Did you guys read together, audition together and read together? Yeah, so I had done like the traditional thing of, well, I think self tapes at the time were still kind of new So did I did a couple of those and then we did a screen test together for the first time. and I think ever since like that time, it Back in like twenty like sixteen, It just I think that the chemistry was pretty apparent and You know, at that time, I rem It remember a lot. I feel like for me, that was like my first ever job. And so that like that kind of big audition and U comoming in, it was all like literally such a blur that I barely remember what we said to each other. I just remember thinking like, God, I really hope I have a job after school. like But it was just like such a great time with him because he was such a Ey going person and he made it so light And at that time, you know, John Watz our, director at the time really really made it a point for us to really bond and It just it was like such a beautiful sort of story of like two friends coming together out of nowhere. Yes. I mean, you can just tell that you two really love and enjoy each other. And the movie hinges a lot on Peter and Ned's like relationship. Yeah Yeah, absolutely. I think, you know, Tom is also very, he's big on like making those relationships feel real. And like that's kind of the backbone of Peter Parker's story So I think he was also a very big proponent proponent of making sure those relationships make make sense and that it works. Yeah. I mean, it goes deeper, you know, to this just this idea of like male friendships and how they're important they are and how. Men really need friends? Absolutely. I don't want to advocate like male loneliness for anything. It's a real thing to have somebody that you know has your back and that also can kind of u Be with you through the tough times? Absolutely In this new movie, I mean, there are some tough times ' you guys all forget that you know each other and you have to kind of you have to learn to figure out what's great about each other again. It's a cool metaphor. Yeah, it's really cool. and hopefull hopefully it works out for him. Uually usually Spider Man's life is not great, so Now are you did you grow up as a big fan of Marvel and comic books and these characters? you know, I gota say I was more of a Power Ranger guy. Power Ranger is definitely my thing. Yes. But I think what did you like about Power Rangers? I think it's just like the colored Leotards it's and just like their cool helmets because Obviously it wasn't them doing the fight scenes, but it was still super cool Um I really I really got into superhero stuff like actually when Tuby McGuire was doing Spiderm Man. and I think a lot of us for people who were like millennials, I think that was like our That was like our guy. Yeah. I remember when I first saw Spiderm Man, I thought like, how did this guy do all of this stuff? Yeah. And then I see Tom doing all this stuff by himself and it's like insane. Like it's actually crazy to be, you know thirty. L like not that thirty's old or anything, but like when he was nineteen, he would get knocked down and come right back up. And now like, you know, he needs a couple of days. Jacob, I want to talk about this with him today because I'd like him to stop I'm telling like is he's doing something just too dangerous for his body. like you know for a reason. Yeah. Okay. This isn't gonna go over well, but I don't even think there should be any stunts at all in any movies He's just like doing like stress taxes. Yeah does his taxes alost. Yeah, exactly. Yes, Peter learns to do his taxes and Ned helps him. And they go get ice cream as a little treat And then they watch a movie and they's that's what I want to see. And then that's how the movie ends up. That would actually be very beautiful. I think it was really And they just put ice on some of their old injuries. Yeah yeah, like especially on their knees, My knees are hurting. Oh my goodness. Yeah, they put some ice on their knees and maybe I don't know, they call like, you know, they they get food delivered and they just chill. Oh my God, you know, my misses this is so random, but she put me on putting like heat pads on my lower back. Oh my. It's not random babe, let's talk about it Heat on your lower back. I mean, I'm lying on a heating pad all day. I could sleep in all day now, but you want you want me to blow your mind. rightight behind me Yeah. I'm going to show you this Yeah Right behind me I amving more g eating I put this in the microwave Oh, yes. w do it right. And you can wrap it on oh, I don't know, your shoulder or your lower back. it seems incredible I am literally, this is how I know like I'm so turned on by that. I genuinely wantan to buy one to.. Oh I'm gonna send you one. Thank you. Before we get to your question for Tom, just, let's talk a little bit more about what's so great about him. What's so great about him? Yeah, you know, I think again, from the first time I met him He's just been so he's been so welcoming and so nice to me and obviously like he had done a few things before I had and he was really willing to be there for me and support me. and There was a lot of times earlier in my career where I didn't really know what I was doing, just in general. You know, I have like a whole team of people to help me through that stuff, but at the same time I think just dealing with like the sort of actorory part of it. I think he was always there to be supportive of me. And I know him like as a person, like I just know he would never talk dirty behind my back. Yeah Yeah he's just an amazing, like good person like that. Um I don't want to flex too hard, but he just bought me this little rollie. I wanted to wear it for him, you know, because that's my boy for life. I hope it doesn't mind that I told everyone that but Well, he's very British, so he'll probably be a little embarrassed. Super embarrassed. But but we can flash it a little bit. W that's a real friend. Not one of my friends has ever bought me a realic. I think I think this is your sign. Amy, You gotta gotta reassemble, you know, you gott to like rebunch them up. It's really making me feel like a do I even have friends That's what that's what I said. Oh you know, I just this is also like another side piece to my story. I just had a had a bachelor party in Vegas and it was so fun. It was the greatest time ever And um It just like I show everyone this watch and they're all like, Ohh, that's a great watch. And I'm like yeah, what am my closest? friends got it for me. so you know. But Oh man, Jacob's so awesome., he's truly just an amazing person and like I can't tell you Like the way he carries himself, I mean, just professionally and and like, you know u in in his personal life He just makes sure that everyone around him is like comfortable, but he also he also doesn't take You know, shit from anybody. He's very he very stands on himself and for his people. and I think I try to carry that with myself in my own personal life because he's really been a great role model to me And this's probably the most I've talked really great about him Yeah. Well because a lot of You probably give each other a lot of shit. You know That's we talk a lot more shit to show than we do like. I do love the death though.ike I know that he only ever shows me love. so. Oh, thank you so much for saying that. And do you have a question? do you think I should ask him today somethingomet he would want to talk about a story or something that you think would be good Oh my gosh if if you would want to, I think you should ask him about the boiling Rck part one Fantastic. I think that'll really that'll put a smile on his face. The boiling rock part one. Part one, Yes, that is definitely some Jacob and Tom inside stuff. Okay, perfect. And maybe he'll say no comment and that will be fine too. Let' see what it is, yeah Perfect. I mean, is this is the kind of scoop we need. Congratulations on your impending marriage. Oh thank you so much. I appreciate you. Thank you. You really are heading into your thirties with like a tight lower back and a fancy watch and a new bride. It's pretty amazing. It's a pretty good way to get in It's been so nice talking to you. so great to meet you. Thank you again for your work. I really mean it that the relationship that you guys have, you know, it's especially for young men men and women who are watching it, it's really important to show those kind of relationships and sound, thank you. Thanks for your work and such a pleasure talking to you. Yeah hope to see you soon. I hope so, Jacob. I hope so. All right. Okay, take care. I speak to you soon. By Bye bye This episode is brought to you by Subaru. 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Thank you very much. And I love your work. Oh, that's very sweet of you. Thankk you. And I'm so happy that you wanted let's drink Let's talk after that Mm But I was so happy that you wanted to come on because you're like a huge part of our family's experience in movies. I have two teenage boys. They are huge fans of your work. and as am I. I think the way you approach your work and the way you approach who you work with and how your work is really very, very special. Thank you. And then compliments done. Done. Yeah. Now criticism. Yes. So you grew up in South. shhort as fuck. Thank you Amy. Well, you know, I'm a shorty, so I never even know how tall anybody is. I think everybody's tall You're a Southwest London boy. Yes And growing up with two artist parents Comedian dad? Yeah, my dad is a standu up. Yeah. My mom is a photographer. Okay So what is your house like? likeike what are you guys laughing at? Because I'm kind of obsessed with the fact that UK and U S, like there are big B, um Things that we love that we don't know about each other's comedy. Right It's interesting. I mean My dad, obviously being a stand up What was so interesting as a kid is that I always thought he was just unemployed because he was always around. Like he would put us to bed. Yeah. and then he would go off and do his job. He was either a comedian or Batman. Like I had no idea what my dad did at night. Yeah. That's great. So it was just a lot of fun and my dad was always really keen for us to all contribute to the family dinner as much as each other. You know there's telling stories, How was your day at school? like good was never a good enough answer. It was always like, tellell me why your day was good or tell me why your day was bad And I think his showmanship really helped us as young kids to become You know social and and I think it's really helped me in my life and my career what I ended up doing The tough thing about having a comedian as a parent, as I'm sure your kids will know, is that no one that you bring to the house is safe. Like any of my mates that come over when we were kids, my dad would just rinse them And it was like it was almost like he was using dinner as like a warm up to go out and do a show that night. Oh, this is this is gonna to hit home. So it was always that we had an amazing childhood and my parents are such wonderful people. I really admire both of them. you know, My mom in the way that she continued working, but was also like the most hands on mom. And then my dad the same. My dad was, like I said He would only work when we were asleep. Yeah. So he was always there. He took us to school, he would take us out after school. There's four boys in your. There four of us, yeah. You're the oldest. I'm the oldest, probablybably not the most Intelligent of the four of us. My brother Harry is pretty. Okay. Sh. Harry Sharp. Is there any of the four that are introverted? I say Patdy is slightly introverted. Okay Patdy is the youngest He's a really talented painter. Yeah. So he's really kind of got into this world of like sitt up in his bedroom and you're like, what's Patdy doing? And then he comes downstairs with his canvas it's amazing. He actually worked on Bottoman four in the art department. Oh, that's cool. I'm curious about birth order because I'm the oldest as well. Okay Be the oldest is like there is a responsibility. Yes It is is an example. One of your brothers was worked on like was your assistant during one of the films? Yeah, Harry was my assistant Yeah for a long time. whichich was actually great, you know, when I hired him I was a little nervous about. Yeah. might asking my brother for a coffee and him being like, fuck off You're a young. like, what are you doing Ging you a coffee When he came around? Yeah, he came around. He was great. He was super professional and him and I now are running a production company together. Oh that's great. And trying to sort of revitalize that mid budget movie and, you know, really try and putut those movies back on the map. What is it like to be in a house with four boys? It's wild I mean, that's more a question for my poor mum I think when Paddy came along There is a video somewhere of his first video and he comes out and his balls are so red. And I think you can hear my dad go, o, for God's sake Also, I mean, your mom probably would deny this to the, you know, to the day she dies. But when you're having a fourth child and you've had three boys Maybe you're like, maybe this one would be a girl. Yeah. I think that was the intention. Yeah and listen, I want to just say that, I love my brother, Paddy's absolutely dead The best can take He cant take it and bless him. as the youngest, he is the butt of every joke I remember once we had this huge argument when we were kids huge argument and we were outside and sometimes our parents were like, go outside and you figure it out. There three of you. Don't fight. But just get it off your chest. And then like a week later I said to my dad, I'd like really got into air rifles for some reason. I like Dad really want an air rifle. And he was like Did you see that argument you had the other day? It was like, No, you can't have an air rifle Yeah But yeah, our house was carnage, pure carnage, but like roken things like broken like there is a feeling when you have a lot of boys where you have to just kind of say goodbye to nice things. I think so. Yeah. What I have come to realize though Now that I have gotten older and moved out and all of my brothers have moved out, that my parents were really keen for us to be tidy. Yeah. but since we've all moved out, we have all realized that we were not the problem It is my parents that were the problem. They were the ones They were the ones. They were the happy ones. Are you still messy? Are you messy Ih this is a bit of a tough one because seeing I live on two sides of the world. Yes. We live in London and we live here in LA. And in London, I am really keen to keep everything really tidy. When you come to America, you just let it all go. I just I feel like I'm a guest when I'm here.. you know what?? We don't appreciate. I know, I know. I should maybe change my ways a little. The thought of you guys working it out in your house makes me feel like as brothers makes me think about you as a young person because we we started to get to know you as a young person Dancing on the West End in Billy Elliot and like the way in which you had freedom to move felt like that just came from your house. Right ye. My parents were always huge fans of dancing. and all of us were sent to this kind of Saturday school. It was called Nifty Feet. It was this kind of Really fun little street dance kind of class and we would do these shows every summer at the ballet school down the road And my parents loved it. Like it was such a fun time. And I remember it's so funny how There are conversations that you have in your life that really shape you as a person. And I remember one dance class or something my parents would come and watch every single time. They were always there watching And I guess maybe I was having a bad day or something and I was marking all the routines. And on the way home, I thought that I had been really cool in the way that I had marked it. It was like, oh, I don't care. I don't need to try that for sure And I remember this conversation I had with my dad where he was talking about doing your best. and even if you're not feeling your best, you need to present as your best. And' a it's so interesting how You know, that simple little conversation I had in the back of his car has been so important to me as an adult and a professional And I think about that conversation a lot It's so interesting you say that because that is like a hard lesson for kids of a certain age to learn that trying is cool. Totally. But it's it's so vulnerable. Yeah. and to look like you care and It is our instinct to just I've did it as an adult too. there were times in my career where I would be nervous. so I would just get kind of like Sleepy and ambalent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.' like I don't care about this. Like, you knowuditioning for the Cohen brother. Iust being like yawning in the middle of it because I was nervous. and it is a hard lesson to learn. but that is what is the difference between I think, like great performances as people show that they care. Totally. And it's that idea that failing it If you tried is better than failing if you didn't try Yeah, for sure. No. then you don't feel bad about it. , at least I did my best just wasn't meant to be little Tom Holland dancing. couldould watch it all day Janet Jackson. Yes. You love. I love Janet Jackson. so, so much. Let's talk about Janet for a second. Oh man. she. Just electric She's so talented. And then we grew up, like Janx grew up with Janet Janet was first on TV as a little young actress on Good Times, doing like very heavy material. And then Janet, of course, Michael, but Janet, we were like, okay, Michael's sister, Janet And then Janet was her own incredible artist who had huge hits and was an incredible dancer To be perfectly honest with you, I really feel like if you asked me to list five people that have been integral in the success of my career, she would be one of them. Have you ever met her? I've never met her, No, but if I didn't Shes hereven. Oh my God. D out. But if I didn't show that I had an understanding of like rhythm. My momum would have never got me into dancing and if I didn't get into dancing, I would never have been spotted to audition for this show. And if I didn't do that show, I wouldn't have got an agent and You know, it was never something that I sought out. I never wanted to be an actor. It was never like I sat down with my parents and I was like, I have this dream of being famous. So if it hadn't been for that song when I was a kid, I probably wouldn't be sat here todayich is kind of crazy. Isn't it craz? I was talking to Billy Eish was here and we were talking about how she was like you know, getting ready to compete and all of her dancing compet this play my got hurt and then her song became. but I do feel like I have a strong loveo and passion for dancing. I feel like dancing is, first of all, it feels like magic when people can do it well, it feels like something spiritual. but also I love it just personally because it's very good for my nervous system. Yeah is this thing where if you can shake it out and move, you can calm yourself whatever. it is this really primal thing that I think opens the door to all different types of creativity. Totally agree. So what is your relationship to dancing right now? How often do you dance? Where do you dance? It comes at a very interesting time because last week I did my first dance rehearsal for the Fred Astair movie we were doing in myxi h It's funny, like I I don't find myself getting that nervous anymore for things, you know Yeah, because you do it so often and it becomes second nature and it feels like another day at the office. but I went to Pineapple Dance Studios, which is where I trained as a kid when we were doing Billy Elliot. I was with the director of the movie and the choreographer of the movie. Wow. and I was rified becausecause I'd been telling this guy, this director, Paul King, I said, Don't worry, bro. Like I can dance Babe. I'm not one of those actors. I am a dancer dancer. I was on the West end,. Right We get there and it's a you know, a bare room with a hardwood floor. I've got tat shoes on first time I've worn tattoes in fifteen years. W. And immediately I'm like wow, my feet feel like sh had in shoes. Yeah. And he kind of was a little bit like Okay, okay, Dar show me what you got. And I went over to the computer and I googled the Billy Elliot music and was like, I'm either going to do something amazing here or I'm really going to shoot myself in the foot Yeah. And I played the song and what was so amazing is how it really does live in you, you know, like the music started and then it all started coming back and I could see the lights, I could see the audience And without even having to think of what the first step was, it just happened naturally. Now wow, if I did the dance like I did L week in front of my Bill Elliot choreographers when I was a kid, they probably would have buried me. Yeah because it was hous. They'd have a lot of I'm really upset But it was really it was really exciting. and I've been very nervous about the idea of making that film just because You know, it's going to be a huge undertaking from a prep point of view and yeah it's also a big risk, I think, you know, it's a big we're so ready for it. We're re. I'm really excited. But after that rehearsal Any fears I had or any questions of like, shouldould I be making this movie completely left the room because I think my biggest regret in my career so far is that when I finished that show, I quit dancing Yeah. And I just, you know, would dance in a club or something like that, but wouldn't go and take class. Yeah. And the thing I love most about my job is that You can book a film and learn all of these amazing skills from the best people in the business and to be able to do that again pick up dancing from square one and try to get back into it. I think it's going be so fulfilling. That's so cool. I mean, like You were on the West end at how old? How old were you when you were in Bill Elliot? I started when I was eleven. Wow. And I finished when I was thirteen It was a riot I mean, I've said this to many people who do theater and are, you know on in a long run. like to have the hardest part of your day be at the end of your day is really hard. You know, you're just always prepping for the end of your day. Yeah, totally. Was Do you feel like in many ways that was the hardest you ever worked was doing that show? or because you were young, like what when you go back to that time What do you feel like your energy? D you just have unlimited energy at eleven, twelve and thirteen? Yeah, I think so, really. You know, it was tough, But yeah, no, I think there was also there was four of us. There were four billies at any one time. Yeah. And you would share the role. So you would do Monday night, someone would do Tuesday night. R. You would do standbys, so you would be backstage in case a billy got injured and you would have to rush on I remember one night I had the night off I was playing golf with my dad And we got a phone call saying, oh, Ollie's come off the show. Brad's going on. Can you come in be on standby because it had happened in like the first twenty minutes of the show And then by the time I got to the theater, Brad had then hurt himself.. So I had to go on And someone actually wrote a letter into the theater and was like, wouldouldn't it be easier and less confusing to just use the same kid rather than constantly changing them out and But no, I don't know if it's the hardest I've ever worked I think the Odyssey, the most recent film I did, I mean, that was You know, one of the toughest jobs I've ever had. I cannot wait to talk to you about it. firstirst of all, can't believe I'm not in the Odyssey because everyone else is Christopher Teuckervle, Teuckervill. I mean that, but I cannot Al all I've heard is that how hard it is. and you do hard things in your movies. Okay But before we get to those the two biggest movies of the summer that you are in I just want to talk about the impossible for a second. Okay Because Yes The peopleople that haven't seen it Don't watch it. It's too It's intense. It's so intense and it's so sad. It's so good. It's heartb. You are incredible and I'm keeping. Y performance is incredible. Naomi, you and McGregor, the younger children who play your brothers are incredible. Yeah. It is for anyone who the moment when you reunite is like, you know I know that I'm depressed when that comes up on my TikTok. Like I know that I'm your algorithm is taking you through your world. Sometimes when my kids will look at my algorithm and they'll be like, Mom, what's going on? And they'll be like, Oh I gotta watch this scene again. I started crying, explaining this scene to Jenna this morning. I was like, they fight each other. Calm That movie you. That movie is what was it what do you remember about the experience of making that movie as a young person? I think for me, just an acting masterclass from Naomi Watts and just getting to be on set with her every day and watching a professional at the top of her game deliver, you know, a sort of masterful performance while also taking me under her wing and teaching me everything that I know about cinema. really. You know Was it your first feature that you had done? Yeah, it was my first film. So I had left B. Yeah. I did my first audition for the film while I was in the show. Wow I think I had the summer off after I finished the show and then went straight in to make that film So I had no idea what I was doing. Wow And I can imagine as, you know, an actress that was doing a job that she would might describe as the hardest role she's ever played to have to also teach a young kid how to do it She showed such patience and she was so caring and kind and I would make mistakes because you know what it's like. Yeah. Where do I go? mark Red sausage on the floor, like what was that about She was so sweet and kind, and even if we were in emotional scenes, she could just snap right out of it and say, you're blocking me from you're standing in front of the camera. Incredible. I would move, she would get right back into it. Incredible. So she just was an absolute powerhouse and she had a great work ethic. She was so kind and courteous to the crew. for me Starting my career in this business, it could not have been a better blueprint for how to behave Yeah and how to work. You talked about in all in Spider Man, in Odyssey, in all of the stuff you've done, like you talk about people that you've met who you've learned a lot from, like mentors in some wayays. I think my favorite thing about being an actor is that You are the only person when the camera calls cut who is allowed to be in the middle of the room and do absolutely nothing Right? You can be in the middle of that kind of ecosystem Yeah and you have nothing to do. You're just waiting for everyone to reset So you have the perfect vantage point to just watch people work and see how they do it and see how they do it differently and see how directors communicate with actors or crew, see how actors take notes. I love listening to a director, give an actor a note. Yeah and go I can't wait to see how you interpret that note. And sometimes you're like, wow, I wouldn't have done it like that, but that is actually really interesting. Yeah. So for me It's less about asking people for advice Yeah. and it's more just sitting back and watching them I mean, I think that is the thing is that people are always watching how people behave in the world. Totally. And it what you say means nothing. if it's different than your behavior. Like you just watch how people behave. Exactly. And you know what it's like on a film set, you're there for five months, You're up at four in the morning. L you get to see every shade of a person's personality. Yeah So seeingone like Matt Damon, for example, in the Odyssey, I have never seen anyone work as hard as Matt did on that film. Yeah And he was as kind and gracious as he was at the beginning of the day, at the end of the day and on the toughest days. So just it was awesome for me to see someone as experienced as himself alsoso just be the nicest guy and treat it as if this was his first movie. Yeah, that's awesome This episode is brought to you by PayPal. 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Like it's heavy and exciting all at the same time It's It was a really weird day the day that I found out that I got the part because it's all I had ever wanted I remember watching Andrew's movies in the cinema. Yeah. Andm just thinking to myself like, oh wow, like imagine if I got an opportunity like that to play that character like That would be. But even then you were like, I could do that. It believe you It knew that I could do it. It was more just this like hunger of I would love to play that role one day I then spent the next like five years thinking about it, thinking about it. I found out that they were they were auditioning for it. I got myself in there. and I spent about six, seven months auditioning for the film All I could think about was getting that job. Yeah. And then the day that I got it and I found out, it was like through the roof excitement and then immediate Oh, but now I have to actually do a nightmare, Dread. don Why did I want this? Like this is a night.ike you're holding the hot potato and you're like Yeah Who can I give this to? Totally. And like what's been crazy is doing this fourth film now, Spider Man Brand new day I felt very similar to the way I did on my first film, which was Excitement, fear you know, trying to find this sense of confidence that I could do this because the third movie was so successful and shharing the screen with Toby and Andrew felt like the perfect sendo. Yes for all of us. So when I walked on set for the first time, there was a feeling of like, is this the right thing for us to be doing right now? Like should we be making this movie? And then when Destin came into the fold and start the director It all of a sudden felt like, oh, this is exactly what we've been missing and I am so excited for this next chapter of the franchise because it feels different. It feels new and unique, It feels more mature Um and You know, I love John Watts, the guy that directed the first three. And I think Tonallyally he did such a good job with making these films feel like experience of a teenager. Yeah. well, I love what you guys are getting into, which is this idea of if I had to re leararn why I love people that thing of if had to if I had to like do it all over again, would I choose the people in my life? Like it's a deep cool metaphor for what it's like to get older, like to grow up, to look at your life. like it's very cool. And also like what is memory? Like what are you supposed to remember? What are we supposed to let go of? Like it's very, very cool territory. Yeah, I think my proudest thing about this new movie is the message., you know, it's a superhero movie at the end of the day. Tom Rossman, the studio headad kind of describes it as a superhuman movie. because I think the message is so important for young people in this digital age, it's so easy to sit at home of an evening and just scroll through your phone And just turn your mind to mush and to forget about how important socializing is. My phone is my best friend, so about. Tell me about it. I had like a whole bun of your mouth. b your mouth when you talked my ph yesterday Growing up, did you care about Spiderwit? Be You and dressed up as Sideran? Yeah. Yeah, because I have boys who loved Spiderm Man too and they and it's really fascinating to watch how that character gets into the psyche of Girls and boys, why do you think they look? Why did you as a young kid? I think it's because he's always asking himself that question of who am I? Yeah, you know, because he doesn't know who he is. this young experience of failing or trying to talk to the crush that you have at school and it doesn't go well or being behind on homework and It's just that youthful experience of finding out who you are as a person. Yeah and And what I love about this film is that the whole premise of the movie is that he's neglecting who he is. He is kind of trying his best to suppress his trauma and just focus on being a hero while failing to realize that person he is makes him the hero that we love. So it's a really nice little balancing act and And I also think if you ask any young kid what their favorite color is, it's gonna be red or blue And he has both of those. He's got them both. He has both of. He' got both, babe. Yeah. And he also does that thing where he shoots from his fingers. but it's not this kind of shoot. That is very important becausecause it is a totally different distinction. I'm probably doing it wrong That's close enough.. Yeah. And that for little young people feels like a way to like like expel energy. Yeah. And the other thing I'll just say is that of course because you're a dancer, the way you moved as that character because Spiderm Man moves so When you and you've talked about this, which I love is like you like to get into characters physically first. Like that's how you kind of walk around the space with them I just want to before we move off of the dancing part, I just want to say that I think there's a deeper reason why your viral moment dancing to umbrella was so successful I have to bring it up. I'm sorry I've watched it five thousand times. I get more compliments for that dance than any piece of work I have ever done. Yeah, I've probably watched it more than most movies Not only because of the talent, not only because it's just so funny and fun and great. And like you guys are having such a good time together It's a person who is, dare I say comfortable with their femine side. Oh yeah, it's totolutely yeah. Well, oh yeah, totally yeah. But that's not always the case with men in general And I mean, you've talked about it, like being a young boy doing ballet, being like a person who's had to like figure out like what is what is typically male? What is typically female? L what comes from all that? When you come out confidently in that A that out of fit and crush it. It was like exploded everybody's ideas of everything in the best way Now, I'm not so like I know that wasn't your intention maybe, but I just hope you know that it opened up a lot of feelings for us I will say that at one point in the dress rehearsal, the lady was like, do you think we could cut the shorts a little bit short? I was like, no. you were like, okay, I'm doing enough. I'm doing enough for the cause stillill years ahead of its time. I said. And that moment what is your memory of that moment doing it? Because did you feel the time like this is really fun and funny and goofy? or and then has the response been confusing to you Did you what's your memory of doing that was I was really excited about it. Yeah. I was nervous the prospect of doing a live show?ure and doing the dance and messing up the choreography or something like that But it's funny, it never really crossed my mind how it would be received. I just thought Oh what a fun idea. Like we'll do this kind of singing in the rain thing. And you felt the energy in the room literally deflate. Like I started doing the thing in the suit and there's like, you know, everyone in that audience is like nineteen years old. Sure and they's okay What on earth is he doing? Right. And I just knew in my body I was like, when I take this suit off, you gonna go nuts. And I remember like I had to put lipstick on behind the dancers and stuff. exciting And I had to rip the suit off behind them, which I'm always sad I didn't do that on camera becausecause it was so fun just having a rip awayay t They probably were they wanted to like cover just in case you didn't get it right. Just in case, you know, there was Little did they know they were working with a professional. Exactly. Yeah. a professional. professional. And that that dance is a great example of what your dad said in the car, which is like Go for it, Yeah. If you're gonna do it, give it a hundred percent. Yes. ye It's such a thrilling performance. Thank you so much. Thank you. It is. amm I wrong That's why I'm so excited about this Fred of stair thing because of how kind of scary it is. and how much If I don't Commit to it one hundred percent, it won't work And I kind of the ideas of that. There's like a million different ways in which you can put your art out into the world, right? Everybody gets to put it out however they want you know, there's just there's There's few representations of men that feel like they're like been to experiences in that way. A I making any sense? No, totally. yeah. Okay, so save us. Yeah. I will do my best. Tom, please. But I want to ask you one question. don't Or I wanna ask a favor of you. Don't do any more stunts Dude. Oh my words. No more stuance. I know That work In movies Curiot Yeah. but I do feel like stunts are they're well, I mean, you just have to be what When you're doing a stunt what do you do with your body? Like what what are some tricks? Just let it happen. like just grip it and rip it, you know? L more often than not, you're on a wire and there's another guy on the end with a button And you always wna make sure you say hello to him and keep him sweet becausecause you don't want him to dial it up and just fire you off into oblivion But truth to be told I have an amazing team of stunt. ers that I work with and you know, the luxury of the Spiderm Man Souit is that when one of us is in it, we're very interchangeable. and as it is a character that requires like a really elite level of physicality Those guys are, you know, ex Cerc de Cleay performers, ex British gymnasts, you know, world champions and stuff like that. So As the movies have gone on, my appetite to do everything has definitely dwindled because they do a better job Yeah. Like I can do a backflip But Luke can do a double backflip. Yeah. So it's like if you want it to be really special, sometimes you have to Take your ego out of the room and just let them handle the tough stuff. And you got toa protect the moneymaker. Youve gotta protect the moneymaker. Eactly mean. We can't, we can't mess with that face. No. But I do love it and it is fun. The rush is really great when you do something That is really scary and it goes really well. Yeah. It is a great feeling. I bet. And it does feel like the closest to being an athlete. Yeah, totally. Yeah Yeah. absolutely. And the teams you did it. Yeah. Well done let go. Yeah. becausecause sometimes acting doesn't feel that way. Yeah. it's not, especially on set because there's, you know, whenever if the crew give you a round of applause, it feels so like They're just like, we want to go home. Like get on with it. Yeah, well done. You did some acting But yeah, if you do a stow, you do feel like a badass The last thing I'll say was Spider Man is Jacob, your relationship with Jacob is really, really cool. Yeah, he's. And I mean, I love that you guys are, you know, real friends in real life and met at a young age and kind of grew up together doing the films together. and also it just like shows Like Ned and Peter's relationship, I think, is an example of like great male friendship. And We spoke to him before this podcast No way. Oh no. Yes. We got we spoke he talked a little bit about you and also he gave us a question to ask and he was a total delight. He flashed his rox. Oh, really? he showed you nice, nice But he wanted me to ask you a question. He wants me and you Feel free to pass if you want, because I don't know what this is about. So I don't know. He wants me to ask you about the boiling Rock partart one Oh wow, the boy in ro Is this worth talking about And you can tell uss off the air I think I should probably tell you off. I knew it But now it's gonna sound like we're smoking crack or something. No, it's such a typical boy thing. I was like give me a question that you would wantanna talk about. He was like the boiling rock part when I was like, he's not gonna wantna talk about. Oh man You don't know, we'll chat about. Okay We'll chat about that later. But tell me what you love about Jacob. I just love his man, I'm taking that Rlex back. I just love I love who he is as a person. Yeah. I love his soul. I love his energy, I love H his enthusiasm, he, you know what's been so amazing for the two of us is that Our lives changed on the same day. together Yeah. And we've been through this whole journey together. and I've loved every minute of it. All of John's movies, making those and now working with Destin. And sharing that with someone that has been there since the beginning is really special. Yeah He's also just one of my best mates. Like if I haven't seen him for six months, when I link up with him, it's as if no time has passed. Yeah. And he's an amazing actor and I think that no one could play Ned the way that Jacob does. think He is the only person that could get those kinds of laughs. And especially in this movie, I think He's really dialed up the humor in an excellent way. And I just I feels like he feels like he he's like that character is like a A stand in for the fan alost, you know, like the audience. And I think that was John Watts's goal was to create a movie that felt like all of us were experiencing what it's like to be Spider Man. But me and him, we just did an escape room together And everyone's just like, climb the wall dead. We were in LA and I text him and I was like, Are you here? And he said, yes? And I was like So I book this escape room, bro, if you want to come We went one of the producers from the movie came and him and I were useless. Really? Uless, but we're both leaders, which is a recipe for disaster. That's right. So there was a lot of like, Jacob, let me do it. let me do it. Yeah we're doing him. And then the time is ticking down. Yeah. Yeah. it was no good. But I love him to death. and I really he will be a friend for life He is such a wonderful person and I couldn't be more grateful to have done this with him. Yeah,, he says the same about you. And the other big gigantic movie coming out this summer that you're going to start talking about and probably be doing press now for the next five thousand years. Y is The Odyssey. Which it looks incredible. Who do you play in it I play Telemachus. Okay. When I first sat down with Chris, I said, I'm so excited to play Telemachus. Yeah sure. I'm heavily dyslexic Which is one of the reasons why and I'd love to talk to you today about it actually is why I've never done SNL Because of the cue card. I'm just so petrified at the concept of like trying to read something. And they changed I'm sure they have had many dyslexics hosts. Totally. It's just that like for me I can read fine. Yeah. but when I have to read out loud, it just becomes like a kind of It's like a mental block and I can freeze. So for me, my worst day at work is the read through Like at the read through, I will really try and highlight everything and learn my lines ahead of time. Yes. so that I'm more kind of skimming it than I am. You're kind of remembering it visually, but you know it Yeah, so I've been, you know, I've been really lucky that they've asked me a few times to do it. And the truth is is that I'm actually just really scared at the prospect of. I love the show and I love the idea of Hving fun and making a fool of yourself in such a fun, creative way. It's just that thing of the cQ card. You have to remember, there have been people that have hosted that have been fully on drugs. Yeah, that is true. That is true. I think you can do it. And ro is. I'll tell you you can tell. you telling you a toiling rock, I'll tell you. is but that's so I love you talking about that Tom because it is true. like the way we learn, how everybody learns is very different. And of course thenen what that does is it makes you like be a physical tactile person. Right Like that's of course, that's how you become that's how you express yourself. Yeah So okay, this is interesting to me because to me, like a nightmare would be being in a Christopher Nolan movie and like not knowing my lines or like that's a night. But that would be bad. Okay so your character is How would you explain your character? My character is a young M. Wh is kind of feeling this incredible sense of protection towards his mum She's under an immense amount of pressure from these very vulgar men who all want to marry her and become the king of Ithaca And Odysseus, my dad, he is the king of Ithaca, but no one knows whether he is alive or not. Who's playing Odysseus? That is Matt Damon. And the story is about A dad trying to come home and a young boy trying to find his dad And there is obviously a wonderful scene when that kind of story comes full circle. Yeah and You know, for me, it was a dream, come true job, working with Chris. What's it like working with him? Just a dream Absolute dream. He is He is so fun to work for. F. Working for Chris is just' a delight. I absolutely love working for him. I admire him beyond belief. His crew is without a doubt the best that I have ever worked with. Is it a quiet place? Like I picture everyone in suits being very good at their job. I would say it's a very focused place F. It's definitely fun. Yeah. you know, like I laughed a lot when I was there. Yeah. And we had a really good time. But it's definitely we are there to do a job. We are there to try and You know, create something that has never been done before. We were filming everything on IMAax. What is I've heard this now, but what does that mean for you? How does it make it different for you to film on IMAax? The camera is like as big as this table. I see. okay. So the camera's huge. Yeah It's humungous. and they had this thing that Heita had designed, the cinematographer, which we called the Blimp And it was essentially. rememember those old boxes the stills photographers would have Yeah that would dampen out the sound. Yeah It's essentially that, but for the camera. Wa. So when they put the camera in there You can't hear anything But if they're having it handheld, It goes like that It's like super loud. Wha. So if you're doing scenes like that, it is really difficult to focus. And I struggle focusing sometimes. And I remember, again, like talking about lessons and watching actors work. I remember a scene between Matt and Anne Hathaway It's about a nine minute scene. And the camera can only run for three minutes at a time becausecause it runs out of film. Wow. So they would run it, they would take it out the blimp, reload it, put it back in, and then the two actors would just carry on from where they left off And this is like the most emotional scene in the movie. And it's like, It's so fantastic And to see both of them Be obviously they I think they shot Mat's side first and then they shot Anne side. So that took almost an entire afternoon and to see them stay in character and stay in that emotion and never waver and never come out of it and They would call cut, they would reload the camera Man Anne just stayed there in the moment for three minutes maybe before the camera would roll again. Wow. It was just a masterclass in patience, professionalism and like confidence in themselves. Yeah. It was awesome. And I think Chris Chris really gives you a lot of confidence. Yeah. like there's something about Do a take and him coming up to you and giving you a pat on the back and sort of saying, great, let's move on. Oh that just feels like whoa. like a nail back. is he's so incredible. His work is so incredible. And you're right, When you work with people who are in like that elevated space, like really in the top of their game, you just like a rising tide rises all raises all bo. That's exactly I can't That's my favorite saying. That's my favorite saying Also I want to say that You get to work again with your partner in life, Zendea, who is an incredible actress. What do you learn from her as an actress, as an artist? What do you like working with her? you work with her in Spiderm Man, you work with her in this, you work with her in life What do you What have you learned from her? I think what I love about watching her work As an actress is she's just fearless. Yeah She's just like absolutely ten toes down. like I'm going to give this everything. And I think when you watch her as Rue Yeah in that show. She could not be more different to who she is in real life And then if you see her as Emma in the drama Its It's just such a different performance, but with no less intent or passion or drive. Yeah And I think she's I think she's the best actor going. I really think she has like something special. Whenever you're in a relationship where you're just doing the same thing That can be super helpful because you understand what the other person is going through. You understand. It's a wild world being in this industry. Yeah And you know, there are ups and downs and you know, you go from shooting a movie, which is when we're all at our most comfortable and then you do a press tour, which feels like you're kind of standing out on the stage. Yeah. And it's so nice to have someone understands that in such a personal way. Yeah. so that you can talk each other down or you can beig each other up and And it's a lifeline. It really is. I couldn't imagine doing what I do without her Please don't ever. We love you two together. And also I know it's we don't know you, or is we're projecting. But and I don't know Zendaya, but I am such a huge fan of her work. what I feel like she and you both prove is like the more talented you are the easier you are to work with. Like you guys come into, I've heard just the most amazing things about her and how she works and U You guys just delivered this version of how to work is really, really amazing And I can see why you respect that in each other. Yeah We had an amazing moment on Spider Man Brand new dayay And it's only because of our relationship that this happened where we were shooting in this scene and we'd shot my coverage We then turned around on Zendaya, we're doing her coverage. and I would never ever dream of saying this to an actress that I wasn't Whiz, right? And I said to, I said Do you think that this scene is working? Yeah And she was like, no I don't think this scene is working at all So I then went to the producers and asked like, do you think the scene is working? And they said no? And I was like, Yeahah, me and Z are like really not feeling it. I then went and sat down with Destin and said, Hey, man, listen, I know we've been shooting for hours I hate to tell you this, but I just I don't think that this scene is working. Z and I Like what we're supposed to feel, we're not feeling it in the moment And what I love about Destin is He's so calm. There's nothing that could throw him off. And he just kind of he listened and he sat down. and he was like, well, what is it that you're trying to feel? And I told him And he went, Yeahah, you're right, That's exactly what we need to be feeling. So he just He said to the crew, everyone can go home. Credible. We're going to sit down and we're going to rewrite this scene with the writer, Justin. who was such a talent and We came in the next day, we reshot the scene and I'm so glad that we did because it sings in the movie. Yeah does But it's just It's it was just so funny. like I was thinking about like if this wasn't that I was sitting across from Amwhere Imagine on someone else's coverage being like, do you think this is wor King? Well, I have done that And now here to say it does not go overwhelming. No it does not. Yeah, because it's like, is this Are you gonna to do it like that Are doing a good job? and they're like, arere you talking to me?? This is gonna my best. No work. Nope, I'm talking to myself. Yeah Yes, you're so right. I mean, there's an intimacy that matters when you're doing work like that and also you know, in the reverse, when you're working with someone you know very well, sometimes you forget like Oh, we have to kind of just like show up and be scene partners here we have to not like ross those boundaries of it. ye. yeah, I mean, it's exactly what I'm talking about is like I feel like you guys are always striving challenging each other and challenging, you know, and being partners in life and in work, it's really, really cool to see. Thank you. I do want to the one thing about the Odyssey is and in Spider Man, you have to do an American accent. Yes which actually weirdly feels more comfortable for me as an actor. It just feels like there's an immediate degree of separation from who I am as a person. And, you know, doing different American accents is difficult, you know On the Odyssey, I think there was a few times where I went full like New York Queens. L Odysseus, you're home , you know, It's like what's So I think that are there words that help you get into an American accent? Ironically. The words that I struggle to say the most is Spider Man. It's so weird You know what, while you drink, I'll share that my Boston accent, my East Cast Boston accent. When I was playing Leslie Nope, the one word that I had a hard time saying was, I still have a hard time saying is Gvernment Government Which I had to say so much. Yeah, playing a government employee, but there's something about the word Governver Government. becausecause we would say government, like government. We'd say government in Aon. Yeah, like you get rid of the R. Okay. like yeah, I I have to deal with the government But government. Government.Cause also there's an n in there that is's a government. Government. Yeah So because you'd want to say Spiderm Man? No, because I would want to say Spiderm Man is what for some reason you just added so much more And I'm like, that's kind of New York, isn't it? And he's like, No, that is the deep south U But are you were like, y'all, I'm spatter They are. Yeah, I don't know. I just for some reason I'm very good at it. I really found Spider Man a difficult word to say for some reason. Isn't it funny? I mean I'm sure a lot of people don't know that you're British. I do still get that actually a lot getting recognised on the street and people who are like H What is going on with your accent? You know, the Brits are not always the best at American accents. That is true. The Irish are a little better. Australians are the best. You think so? I do Yeah Like Naomi. She's fantastic. There's a lot of very good like Australians that crush it. I think the Brits tend to be the worst. That is an interesting observation. Now, I'm just gonna to say I cannot do a British accent, so I would never even try. A British accent is tough. There's so many of them. There's just too many of them. I know And you have to commit to one. You do And it's it's hard. SZundaya has become amazing at British accents. It's actually kind of crazy It's crazy. But yeah, I think and also it's very difficult to do a British accent and not make it become a caricature. Tot accent. Yeah. I mean, I think conversely like with Brits when they do American accents, the one thing that they do is they they kind of always turn into This kind of talking, right Like it's just very Bea they want to make sure that they're rounding out their contous. There's lots of long ars. Yeah. One of the things I find really difficult is a lot of Americans, New Yorkers, especially When they're ordering food, it's very different to how we order food. In England, it says, Please may I have the burger with number two. Thank you so much. please. That'd be thank you. Thankk you Thankk you. And in America, it's totally fine to be like, I'll have the number two Yeah just leave it, especially in the east Cast. Totally. Yeah. And I would be doing scenes and my dialect coach would come in and be like, stop saying please. Oh like yeah. A kid from New York's not gonna to say, please. if you're askking for a burger So I You can see it, there's a moment in this movie where someone asks me for a coffee and I just go, sure. And even through the suit, you can see like, I'm like, my dad is gonna be so disappointed in me Y I mean, in New York, it's gotten to the point where it's like, let me get. Yeah, yeah, yeah, to, But that is so I mean I'm still shocked when people get they're like, let me get a egg and cheese. It's like, let me get. My dad always aning and he goes no sound. You can't go and get it They'll bring it to you, but you can't go and get it. You can have it. Let me get But you can't go and get it. They'll stop you getting it. too. I mean, I The other last thing I'll say is that it took me a long time to realize that quite meant something different for Americans than it did for Brits. So Wait For you means pretty good. So like, yeah How was it was quite good Yeah. That means it was pretty good But we don't understand that as Americans. We use quite as like it was very good. So like it was quite good Like we say. Quite a show. You know. So for a long time, Brits would be telling me that they kind of didn't like things that much. And I'd be like like, they like it. He said it was quite good And I don't think enough fids know this. We don't always understand that quite means pretty It's fine but we are like He loved it. Which is also very American. We've talked about your films. beforefore we go, I just want to talk about your beer. Oh yes. Y non alcoholic beer. Yes. Beru. B. Your brand Congratulations, on. Thank you so much. We've been drinking it from these cups the entire time. Delicious. Why did you start a brand and why non alcoholic? So I quit drinking Yeah because I I had a problem and I just couldn't put it down. And it was affecting my professional life, it was affecting my personal life and my health So I decided to pack it in And I got through that first year, which I think was the toughest challenge that I've ever been on And during that first year, I noticed that there was limited options for people like me that were looking for something that would scratch that itch that would help you Live or go to the bar and be a part of the social experience but not feel like the only person with a lemonade? Yeah. The truth behind the Sandies, which we're bringing out this summer, is that? Z has never drank. She's never been a drinker. She's incredible She's the best. She's like's the best. She's never I on her game. I know such. Which means she never found the taste for beer. Yeah. And everyone remembers their first beer. It's a little bit like,, that kind of Yeah. It is Why does my dad drink this all the time? And then you get drunk and you're like, Oh. I'm not here, but I'm here. Right So she just she's incredibly proud of Birro. It's just there is a missing link of like she doesn't enjoy the stuff that I'm trying to sell So my mom actually came up with the idea and she said, you know, what if you did a shandy which is it's essentially half a beer and then half a lemonade. O. And we have a Grapefruit flavor, there's lemon lime, there's bllackberry Yuzu, there's elderflour. And it was a ploy to create something at the company that she could enjoy. Yeah. So when this comes out, you will have turned thirty. What is something you're looking forward to about? Turning thirty? What's exciting about it I am I'm incredibly proud of my twenties. Like I look back at the things that have happened in my life personally and then professionally And I look back on them really, really fondly. So I'm kind of sad to say goodbye to my twenties. equally excited to walk into my thirties. I think as a kid growing up in this industry, I've always just been a kid at work. Yeah, you know, And I'm really excited to sort of, and I think that's probably an internal thing, Not that people treat me like a kid. It's just I've always felt like, oh, I'm just kind of the young one here Yeah. And I'm really excited to be you know, a young man on set and experience what that's like. and I have some really exciting projects in the pipeline and ye and yeah, I'm excited. That's awesome. I mean, I feel like just much like Spider Man. L there's so much ahead for you, but there is a It feels like from a very young age, you've had a very strong sense of yourself, that is kind of like something that you just kind of have. It's a thing often you're born with, and I think people feel it from you. I know I count myself as one of the many people who can't like wait to see whatever you're doing next is really awesome. And so we always finish our interviews by asking our guests like, you know, in these like often complicated and troubled times, what they're doing to laugh. Right Who makes them laugh? you come from a funny family. What are you watching, listening to, reading? What video do you watch over and over again? What is your like comfort comfort movie. what is your like comedy go to that makes Tom laugh. And then I wantanna show you a TikTok dance and see if you can teach me But don't worry not now. I Now that we're friends, we're gonna hang out. My favorite night out is to go to the comedy club. O. I love all stand up. I think it is the bravest form of art. in our world because it's like, I remember being backstage with my dad. I've always been so impressed by my dad Like he is like my hero because he he never brought the bad gigs home. hero does he it? He never brought bad gigs home He's always been someone that's incredibly positive. He's super ambitious, He's really tenacious. And I remember one night, he took me to the comedy store And we went together to watch, and we went backstage and we saw all the comics kind of getting ready for their set. Yeah. And I was so impressed by when I go to work I get picked up Someone makes my breakfast.. Someone hands me the words that I'm supposed to say, someone will tell me where I'm supposed to say, someone dresses me And I'm considered an artist, but so much of that work is done for me. But then backstage, you see them taking their anerac off, putting their pack lunch on the side They go out, they nail it, they come in and they head off to the next club And I know some of them have writers and all that sort of stuff, but to see the singular effort that it takes. I was always so impressed by that and And I love that my dad took me to see that because it was really eye opening to me. That's cool. That's very cool. How Holland