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Reflecting on the Painting's New Home

From 2026 Update: Frederick J. BrownMay 21, 2026

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Pushin Bi Hello U Today we're going to revisit an episode that I reported It's called Frederick J. Brown. Oh, yeah. Okay. It's about art. It's about a painting. Amazing. I love art. You know that, right? Yeah, you're always talking about how much you love art. Is that true No. Oh, I don't, you know, want to become one of those art bos Wh are we talking about like fine art? Because I thought we were talking about fine art ye. There's all kinds of different art. Well, sure, this is art in a way This conversation we're having right now. Well, let's not get crazy I feel like a real diletante around art, but I do like it. You like it. You wouldn't say you love it I just don't know that I'm knowledgeable enough. You don't have to be. Okay, then I guess I love it. Who do you think loves it more, me or you Probably you. Really Maybe just because this is gonna sound rude, but you're added years of experience. Sure, I've had a lot of time of oggling art. You know, you might be surprised to learn that person like myself, I'm not much of an arts snob in the sense that I believe that everybody possesses artistic and creative ability. Wow, that's beautiful Now I'm off my high horse I'm gonna to get on my low horse, my show pony.. And Oh We go Way we go. Do you know whose catchphrase that was No pilot Jackie Gleason All right, well, the away we go indeed Oh but first A word from our sponsors. This is an IiHart podcast Guaranteed human This message is a paid partnership with Apple Card There's something interesting about how seamlessly certain tools fit into daily life Apple card is one of those things It can be applied for right in the wallet app on iPhone and approval can happen in minutes So it's ready to use immediately with Apple Pay I'm so glad the days of finding my wallet fishing out the credit card, using it, putting it back in my wallet or oops, mayaybe I use cash. 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Additional term and conditions apply for bonus offers, sububject to change or in at any time He Every Friday night during the pandemic, I'd get on a Google hangout with a group of my boyfriend's friends, and we'd all play Mario Kart. hundredic items, no cam, races. These Mario Kart sessions started back in the days when we could barely leave the house due to COVID restrictions So it felt like an escape to log on to carelessly careen in a small car, or cart, if you will, through a gold mine or off a waterfall In those dark days, a few minutes on Mount Warrio was the closest thing I could get to a vacation. Look at me that That being said, I also found these Mario Kart hangouts deeply intimidating because I'm not good at Mario Kart. My gameplay mostly sounds like this. No no or this. No no. Along with the Mario Karting, there was also non Mario chatting. How happy? I saw on Instagram. Hay birthday birthday And tratting of any kind is another thing I'm not good at. Every so often, I'd weigh in with something like prettyre crazy. This was essentially the extent of my engagement Until the night, Maya told us about the painting. Maya found the painting sitting in a pile of trash on the sidewalk, and it grabbed her instantly. It was only later when she took it home that she saw the artist's signature Frederick J. Brown Although Maya works in art, the name was unfamiliar to her, so she Googled him. And what popped up was a lengthy New York Times obituary from twenty twelve. praising Brown's work and citing Willem De Cuning as an early mentor Brown, it turned out, was an acclaimed black artist, known for his portraits of jazz and blues musicians He had work in the Smithsonian As Maya made her way through his biography, she slowly realized that the painting she'd been so instinctively drawn to was actually the work of an important artist And so, Maya was left wondering How did Brown's painting end up in the trash by vehicle building On a cold Friday afternoon, I pay Maya a visit at her Brooklyn apartment building to follow up and learn more And who knows? Maybe my boyfriend's friend can simply become a friend Oh 's very like regal building, I feel like My IRL chatting is truly no better than my Mario Kart chatting. This is. What I couldn't see on the small square of our Mario Kart calls was that every surface of Maya's apartment is covered in art Not only has Maya worked in the art world for many years, at galleries, art publishers Her husband, Wes is also an artist himself. He even proposed to Maya on the steps of the Met There's really only one spot in their apartment that's empty A blank wall above the couch. They've been waiting year after year for the perfect work of art to hang there And now with the discovery of the Frederick J. Brown painting They knew they'd found it Maya says she spotted the painting while heading home from a COVID test It was gigantic, and she still had a mile to walk. She knew it didn't really make sense to take it with her But she couldn't walk away from it either. I could I just Hpt going back to it, I just was D different from all of the other paintings I've seen, it just really kind of grabbed me and I started trying to get it out of the trash Cutching the huge painting to her body, Maya awkwardly waddled the mile home. There's like a little garbage juice at the bottom and a little dust at the top When I was walking, I wouldn't let it sit on the ground I know I hadd probably been on the street all day, but I didn't want to be on the street anymore It is nearly as long as I am tall and I'm by four. Lots of color and patterns. Despite my fondness for the audio medium, it fails to translate the force of Brown's painting. It's not as easily encapsulated as, say, the Mona Lisa, smiling woman, or American Gothic, unsmiling woman and man. It's mostly abstract, but then there are these tiny spots with recognizable figures. You can see faces. And there's these horizontal bands that sort of organize the composition. Admiring the painting with Maya makes me feel like I'm at a fancy party Enjoying hors douv, but also panicked that I have nothing intelligent to say. It kind of looks like a seven The painting feels like a stained glass cabinet full of curios. It feels like a quilt. If a quilt weren't made of fabric, but of fields and buildings and people rushing to work It feels like a packed room where everybody's dancing. I ask Maya to show me where she first found the painting, and so we hit the streets to return to the scene of the trash. Shall we walk? Yeah, let's walk. We take a walk As friends often do. Maya tells me the painting was in the trash with a bunch of other miscellaneous stuff. A TJ Max planter, a stained toy chest Whoever disposed of it was probably moving Maybe a neighbor can tell us who might have moved in the last couple months But whereas I was picturing a small building with just a few buzzers stirring It turns out the trash heap was actually in front of a public housing complex Fourteen stories high Taking up a whole block We loiter by the building's entrance and I try to catch people as they're going in or out. Can I ask you something weird? Can I ask you a weird quest? Do anyone who moved out, like in D? It's just about a painting that was left outside a painting. My friend found a painting and she's trying to figure out like what the deal is Nobody knows anything. No. All right, thank you. No, thank you. No. All right, thank you There's a lot I don't understand about art. Like, why are frames so expensive But I can tell you this Paintings They have two sides There's a side with all the paint on it that people are always tripping over each other to talk about But then there's the other side the second or back side, if you will. or anything? water would be great. And back at Maya's apartment, she explains that on this back side, or derier side There's another clue She and Wes were cleaning the painting off, getting it ready to hang on the wall when they saw it lightightly scrawled on the back of the canvas. wasn an inscription Painted nineteen seventy nine, December Title Genesis two Love happappy birthday from Frederick to Lowerry Sims, and then he signed it and dated it in nineteen seventy nine Maya may not have known the name Frederick Brown. But she knew the name Larry Sims quite well Larry was the president of the studio Museum in Harlem And before that, she'd been the first black curator at the Metropolitan Museum of Art She's now in her seventies and has had decades of impact on the art world. She's reached liiving Legend status. You can't help but be like, o Okay, yeah, should I have not used a paper towel to clean this. The way Maya sees it, if you find something with someone else's name on it whether that's a wallet, a cat, or a painting. You try to give it back to them. And so, she wants to return the painting to its rightful owner, Larry Sims And once we find her Maybe Lowry can help piece together how the painting ended up in the garbage I would like love to help try and Get in touch with this person. Yes, please. Okay My garbage hunting an object failure But my people hunting That's going to be an abject success. Can't find an email address for Lowry. So I do what we all do when we want to pester someone more important than we are I send a message on LinkedIn I explain that I have a painting I think belongs to her. Perhaps fearing I'm running some sort of con where I trade paintings for social security numbers. Larry doesn't respond Hi, how are you I need some sort of inroad. So I contact an artist named Chloe Bass, who's worked with Laowerry I don't know why she would even need LinkedIn. L how like her career is very well established Chloe's also confused by how the painting ended up in the trash She says Lowry can't have been the one to throw it away because Lowry doesn't live in Brooklyn and never has Chloe agrees to reach out to her on my behalf And now that the request isn't coming from Oirando on LinkedIn, but Oraando, who knows Chloe Bass Larry responds We have a few back and forths over email I'm hoping to schedule a time for us to talk on the phone, but Lowry is reluctant She tells me she doesn't want to talk unless she can see a photo of the painting first So I send her a photo, saying I'd be curious if she recognizes Genesis two, and equally curious if she doesn't Who knows? Maybe Brown's gift of the painting never even reached her The next morning Larry writes back Qote intriguing pereriod is the extent of her email. And after that, our correspondence comes to a halt. This show is brought to you by BetterHelp. 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Savings and Apple Card by Goldman Sachs Bank USA, Salt Lake City Branch, member FDIC, terms and more at AppleCard d. com intriguing period What did Lowerry Sims' email mean? It's not the response you'd expect of someone recognizing a beloved long lost painting I start to wonder if maybe the painting is a fake Genesis two doesn't look like any of the other Frederick Brown paintings I've seen online Maybe Lowry's intriguing means an intriguing forgery So I contact Frederick Brown's Tust. I figure they'll know best if the painting's really his And five days later, I get confirmation that the painting is legit. I receive a call from a man named Bentley, who teaches at Fordham and is a PhD candidate at the NYU Institute of Fine Arts. Bentley is also, it turns out, Frederick J Brown, son So here's the backstory. Yeah Painting is part of a larger painting called Genesis. that's in the collection of the Met Oh whoa, I didn't know that. So my dad became the youngest artist to be in the collection of the Met at that time. Like at thirty three. Let's see, let me think about that. A thirty four. Okay. And like on top of that, right as a black artist as well, right? So this is a big feel Part one is at the Met Part one in the Metropolitan Museum of Art Tw, in a trash heap on a Brooklyn sidewalk Bentley can't wait to see his father's painting in person So he makes the drive from the Bronx to Maya's apartment in Brooklyn. Hi. I'm Maya. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you the. Nice to meet you in person. And I'm hoping maybe Bentley will have insight into how his dad's painting ended up in the trash. Sh Should we look at this painting and then maybe we can talk? I'd love. We all file into the living room, where Maya and her husband Wes have propped the painting up against a wall for Bentley to look at Benty takes it in. This is amazing It's just like this makes me so happy. Have is this your first time seeing this might? Yeah, I've never seen this. Familyies dedicated years of his life to his father's work But he can't tell me how the painting ended up in the trash before I reached out He hadn't even known Genesis two existed He bends down to get a closer look You didn't just stumble upon any piece Within his catalogue, he stumbled upon a extremely important piece It turns out that Genesis two was painted at the moment when Brown was making a transition That's why it looks so different than anything else I'd seen online Brown was moving away from abstraction and towards more figurative work So among the shapes and lines, you see faces, an airplane, and the fox figure. And it's like a self portrait Do you know why your dad chose fox as a symbol of representation? That's a good question You have to be a fox to survive in the art world as a black man have to be. Everybody looks at the foxes and like Like a nefarious sort of character, right? But my dad kind of looked at as like, nah, that's just like that's just a cat who has to do whatever it has to do to survive Bentley tells us about his dad's life Ab Frederick Brown's childhood on the south sideide of Chicago, how Brown's dad managed a juke joint, hanging around blues musicians like Muddy Waters. Early on, color made a strong impression on brown He grew up mixing paint for the luxury cars his uncle worked on later, Brown found work in the steel mills, the colors of the hot metal burning their way into his mind. BeCause he'd always talk about how like bright orange the ingots were. You can see the bright orange in there Brown attended college in Illinois and eventually moved to New York where he set up shop in a huge loft on Worcester Street in Soho Other artists and musicians were always stopping by Fr Mor Bearden, BB King. John Lennon and Yoko Ono The Worcester Street loft is where Brown and painted Genesis. So then after that, he signed with Marbo Gallery And so that was a big deal because Marbow Gallery was the hottest gallery at that time. We talk about like Basquiat being the first black artist to sort of make that break But it was really my dad, likeike I'm not gonna to hold you. Like Im not I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, you know But while Boskia went on to become a household name, selling paintings for millions of dollars, Frederick J. Brown did not. So what happened It turns out that even after signing with Marlborough, Brown wasn't being shown in the way he thought he should be My dad kept trying to get like a retrospective and couldn't get a risrospective anywhere So Brown took matters into his own hands when a Taiwanese artist named Xi Ja Yao invited him to come to China It was nineteen eighty eight and communist China was just starting to culturally open up Only one other American artist, Robert Rauschenberg and shown work in the country But together, Brown and Yo decided Let's do a Frederick J. Brown retrospective. in China And they decided to do it. in the national Museum of China, which like is on T Eaman Square And it's like an insanely huge building The museum had been filled with relics of Chairman Mao and the Communist Revolution But all that was cleared out to make room for one hundred Frederick J Brown paintings And he had a lot, I mean, he had sixty thousand people a day. for like thirty days He had to go to China to have a re he had to go to China to be seen as an American artist Because in America, Brown was seen as a black artist. And despite what he accomplished in China, When he returned to the states, he hadn't earned any additional prestige inststead, Marborough was pissed that he did the show. because they did it without his without their consent He took out a loan to do it himself. half a million dollars He had no way of paying it back So that was like the beginning of I don't want to say the end, but it was the beginning of like a real hardship Marlborough dropped him The bank was trying to take all his work, which he'd put up as collateral He was only able to save some paintings by erasing his name entirely, so the bank would think they weren't his O paintings he hid in the walls of his Worcester Street loft Brown continued to paint for the rest of his life But he never regained that blue trip cache from his early career He didn't become a name that a non art person like me, or even an art person like Maya would immediately recognize Brown died of cancer in twenty twelve And ten years later Bentley's frustrated that his father still doesn't have his rightful place in the canon You go after these people that are gatekeepers And you plead your case Most people are just like, e, whatever. There's not a market for it right now. right? And it's like it's like Man, fuck you It's the same story for a lot of black artists ure these gatekeepers want black art, Bentley says but they want a particular kind of black art They want art they can look at and go,h, yes, I get it This is about the politics of being black in America When we think about black art or black artists, right? We were very quick to add like a political tag to the thing I mean, I guess you could argue that blackness in and of itself is a political thing But My dad was kind of much more of the camp of like just like make art for art's sake but purely aesthetic work by a black artist That's what ends up in the garbage It's such a painful feeling. It's such a Yeah, painful is the word and such a painful feeling when you know that like you have such a special world people Don't G a it What is? I mean, like if you have to describe like what what that special world was, like what how would you explain it Bentley points at the painting, still leaning against the wall What' that right there so much color So much emotion. So much beauty And you you too recognize it The painting definitely called to me Yeah I mean, you rescued it, right? Like it's like a piece of my dad It's like his energy, his spirit is him, you know? That was my dad calling out to you. That's what that was. be like, Yp. Don't let me go in the trash, y'o. My son lives not too far away. Don't let me go in the trash. When it comes to looking your best, Beachbum tanning does it better. Beachbum delivers advanced sun and spray tanning, luxury skincare, and an elevated salon experience designed around you. It's why so many guests trust Beachbum for flawless color and real confidence. And now Beachbum is expanding wellness services to many locations, with red light therapy and infrared sauna, with more on the way. 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And the next morning, Bentley calls to tell me that Lowry is willing to talk There's just one caveat She doesn't want to discuss how the painting wound up in the garbage It's hard for me to figure out why, and I don't really know how to do an interview about a painting that ended up in the trash without asking how the painting ended up in the trash So I cross my fingers so that something might shift once we're on the phone. Larry takes my call from her condo in Baltimore She tells me that she met Frederick Brown when she was around thirty, a newly minted curator at the Met As a curator, Lowry's mission was to champion the work of overlooked artists Larry herself knew what it was like to be overlooked I mean, I was in, you know, as was a black girls from Queens I have a career nobody would have expected at that time I was in places where nobody expected at the time. I mean, I used to tell people O of the most amusing things for me was to go to a Avenue in the seventies and get to the front door, and the doormman would try to sort of me around to the service entrance because they assumed but the housekeeper is something, you know, new. I'm, you know, fs from the Metropolitan Museum. You sort of see the face change, you know, they go, Oh, you know It was a struggle to get past the ignorance about black artists Like once in the seventies, Larry organized an exhibit of black art from the Metz collollection And when we got the exhibition up, I was approached by a journalist who said, I didn't even know there were black artists. Now this is like nineteen seventy nine. come on. Geez yeah. Yeah. ye So I said, well, we've been around since the late eighteen hundreds Hearing this story, it starts to make sense why Lowry might have been reluctant to speak with me a white looking journalist she's never met. In fact, when I spoke with Bentley, he said Lowry had wanted him to suss me out to make sure that I was okay before she agreed to talk to me Like his dad Bentley said Larry too has had to be a fox Lowerry and Brown's friendship endured for decades, starting in that Worcester Street loft and lasting until Brown's death And even after he died, Larry continued to engage with Brown's work Just last summer, she helped put together a big posthumous show of his art at the Barry Campbell Gallery in Manhattan Bentley She wants Sprown to finally get his stew some original work you know, it's strong work and hopeful that, you know, Frederick written into the art leexicon in the way that he needs to be When I ask Laie why this hasn't happened yet Incidentally, she cites the aftermath of the China trip But she also offers this sort of left New York at a crucial period in his career. And he put the concerns of his family first And it's true In the nineties, Brown left New York for a town called Carefree, Arizona A big factor in that decision was his daughter's asthma Brown knew the dry desert heat would be good for her And although money was still tight The family was happy out in Arizona. Bpentley recalls his dad attending his flag football games in his signature white Brooks brother' suit. sweating in the Arizona sun and dabbing his forehead with napkins. While some children of famous artists remember locked studio doors, Bentley remembers his dad's welcoming studio couch, where he'd flop down after school and talk about his day while his father painted. All of which is to say Bentley remembers Brown as a good dad Flowerry and I talk. I do my best to avoid the whole painting in the trash thing. So we discuss her time at The Met, Brown's jazz portraits, the similarities between Genesis one and two Then without prompting Lowry volunteers this. I mean, I sort of like you kind of figured out that I probably gazed the painting someone who admired it, you know, I can't remember who because you know because it was certainly too big for my lo apartment As it turns out Brown had painted Lary Genesis two as a thank you gift because she'd been the curator who bought Genesis One for the Mets collollection But the painting was huge, and Lary ran into the problem that so many New Yorkers do Living in a cramped apartment on the upperast side She just hadn't had space for it For Lowry, there was no blank wall above the couch, just waiting for something to be hung So instead, she found Genesis II a good home with a friend who loved it I think I told forred, you know, like about that. Yeah how it ended up with Maya finded? I don't know I just can't remember who I might have given it to

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