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Pushin Welcome to the studio, Kelila Holt, producer. Thank you for having me You know, I'm not saying that you should, but it would sometimes be nice to be welcomed into the studio myself. Well, you've always jump right in and I know welcoming. you don't really give me the opportunity Welcome to the studio, Jonathan Oh Gee, I I was taken unawares by that. We're here in the studio because we have something a little different. A special treat? Yeah, it's something that was new for both of us. Kila and I. we were guests on a children's debate podcast. The show's called Smash Boom Best. And it's a favorite of your son Augies, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, very much so, which is how it kind of got onto my radar. I started enjoying listening to it with him and host Molly Bloom is kind of a celeb in our household. So I was a little starstuck. You know, I'm always wary of children's programming because I hate the kind of like over the top smiley baby voice like syrupy. Yeah. but I started listening to the show in advance of doing this and I feel like I really enjoyed the show. They're talking to kids at like a level that respects their intelligence, I would say Yeah, and since we respect you, our listeners intelligenceces, it's why we chose to share this episode. Yeah with you all. We'll be debating phone calls versus texting I don't want to spoil anything. We went pretty toe to toe, got pretty heated during certain moments, but, you know, we're We're here to talk about it. We're still speaking to one another. So the point is it's always better to use your words rather than a knuckle sandwich to the throat of your adversary.ure, thank you for not giving me a knuckle sandwich to the throat. I deliver my knuckle sandwiches with words Sons bu U We had a lot of fun doing it and we hope you'll enjoy listening to it. And that's all coming up. 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Framed on Universe From the brains behind brains on, it's smash, boom bestest. The show for people with big opinions. Hi I'm Molly Bloom and this is Smash Boom Vest. The show where we take two things, smash them together, and ask you to decide which one is best. Today we've got two ways of reaching out. One starts with a ring, the other a ding. It's calling versus texting Whether you like to type or talk, we're sure you'll have a lot to say about this one. Defending the tradition of talking on the phone, it's the host of the heavyweight podcast, Jonathan Goldstein. How do you do? And here to hit send for the Art of the Text. It's Khalila Holt, producer of the heavyweight podcast. Hello, or should I say handwave emoji. And here to judge this clash of the communication styles is none other than Ella from Oregon City. Ella is on the swim team, plays flute and saxophone loves to make art and has lots of bracelets on both of her arms. Welcome, Ella Hi Okay, Ella. since this is a podcast, we cannot see your amazing bracelets. So can you give us a sense of the scope of your bracelets. I have probably like twenty five on right now Wow Have you made all of them? I've probably made half of them. Incredible. what are we talking about? like string, beads, all of the above? All of the above Wow, do you have a favorite one? I recently made one with soda tabs and it's really cool and it's stretchy. That's very impressive. Just soda tabs? Yes. Well, and strring What is the oldest bracelet that you have on? I have one that I got in sixth grade and it says Kindness Ambassador on it And I have worn it for three years That's amazing. So the ones on your arms right now, are they like an everyday you wear each one every day? or do you change it up? Sometimes I change it up, but most of them I keep it on like all the time Cool So you also make other kinds of art besides bracelets. What other kind of media do you use to make art U I love like drawing and painting and stuff, but I also like music Oh, yes, you play saxophone and flutes. So I'm wondering When you're playing flute versus when you're playing saxophone, is there like a vibe shift that you feel? Or is it kind of the same? Definitely different vibes because I play more like jazz music on the saxophone And then I do more like popular songs or like concert music on the flu So when you're playing the saxophone, if you said hello in your like saxophone playing voice, like what would that sound like? Oh, I don't know, it'd probably be like Hello. ice. And how about your flute playing voice? What would that hello sound like Hello Hello. Excellent, excellent Well, will Ellis side with texting or phone calls? Let's see. first the rules of the game Every debate consists of four rounds, the Declaration of Greatness, the micro round, the Sneak attack, and the final six. After each round, our judge Ella will award points to the team that impresses her the most, but she'll keep her decisions top secret until the end of the debate. Listeners, we want you to judge too. Mark down your points as you listen At the end of the show, head to our website smashboom. org and vote for whichever team you think won Aila, Ella, and Jonathan, are you ready? Oh I'm ready. I hope so. I'm ready to. Then it's time for the Declaration of Gness Lack in this round, our debaters will present a well crafted, immersive argument in favor of their side. Then they'll each have thirty seconds to rebut their opponent's statements We flip to coin, and Jonathan, you're up first. Tell us why we should answer the call of talking on the phone What's the sound of being loved A heartbeat No. That's just body plumbing Is it someone saying, I love you I'd argue actions speak louder than words which is why to me The sound of being loved is a phone call It says Hey I like hearing your voice. I like the way you laugh, your awkward pauses It says I want to spend my precious minutes in real time with you. even if I can't be there in real life That text just says, shoot. I just remembered you asked me a question yesterday and I'm going to write you back while I finish up on the toilet Phone calls are efficient, Oh, sure, textters will say a text is quick to which I say What are you rushing for More scrolling to get to But also Text can be slow How many times have you sent a question, then had to wait for a reply? like, say you're planning a picnic Hey Chad, where should we meet Come on, right back You could be waiting minutes or hours. You have no idea Finally, it's been three hours. Okay Chad says meet at Mini Haa Falls Sure, but what time Come on, just answer me. Meanwhile, the whole thing could have been settled in fifteen seconds with a call Hello. Hey Chad, where should we picnic? How about Mini Haa Falls? When? Six. Bring cheese and crackers? Nah, fruit and pizza. Okay, see ya. Later That's efficient Phone calls avoid confusion. You can hear someone's tone, whether it's playful, angry, grumpy, or snarky Texts are so easy to get wrong Is Chad being sarcastic or a jerk? Oh, he sent an emoji to clarify Cool guy with shades? What does that even mean? Plus, what emotacon can replace the sound of human laughter, or that special silence that you know is a smile on the other end of the line? You can feel real feelings through a call I've seen someone stand right next to me and text someone R F O L And let me tell you, they were not rolling on the floor laughing I'm not going to say texting is dishonest But it does make it easy to lie There's a famous story about the first phone call In eighteen seventy six, Alexander Graham Bell was inventing the phone So far, he'd only managed to send snippets of speech But then, he spillt some acid on his hand in the lab.. Mr. Watson, come here, I want you He used the phone without realizing it to call his assistant. And it worked Mised this ard every word you said distinctly. Is there even a story of the first text message That's rhetorical. I don't care because it's definitely not as good Phone calls are memorable, like a cousin telling you about a new baby joining the family, or a friend comforting you after a breakup And no wonder Humans have been talking and listening to each other's voices for over a hundred thousand years way longer than writing We evolve to talk and listen I'd argue it's one of the greatest pleasures of being a human So the call is coming The call to enjoy a conversation Not just get to it next time you're on the toilet. The call to revel in human voices. The call to say, I love you N with words But with actions The call. to make a call Are you going answer it Well said Well, how'd you do? That was a heartwarming declaration of greatness there. Hella, what's out to you about Jonathan's arguments? The actions do speak louder than words. Very nice. Okay, Kalila, you have thirty seconds to send Jonathan straight to voicemail and your thirty seconds starts right now. Okay, man, I don't know if thirty seconds is gonna be enough. First of all, I think that being loved is about, you know, showing the other person that you understand what they want. And sometimes that's not always a phone call A lot of people don't like being called. The time thing, I just think that it's not true that calls are faster. So many times I've been in a situation where I'm calling, leaving a message, they don't answer. They call me back. I'm in the middle of something. I can't answer. They leave a message. And you know what we always do? We always switch to texting. And time I found that surprisingly hurtful. This is just going to, you know be about the topics, but that feels somehow ad homage. I'm sorry, I hurt your feelings. You're welcome. How did you say it With your mouth Yeah Oh my goodness. All right, we have a lot more to hear coming up. 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What is the purpose of this call I was just thinking about you. have to go I don't know if she'll ever talk to me again That's the risk I took, calling someone out of the blue, violating the peace of her day Let's try again Nxt Pal, thinking of you She wrote back U It says, miss you too Now we're both smiling and no days were ruined I'm a reporter. Making phone calls is part of my job Cold calls, as in a call where the person isn't expecting you, are not fun. S person answers the phone, already feeling annoyed, and you have to explain who you are and why you're calling as quickly as possible before they hang up. A few times I've even been yelled at on the phone. It's my least favorite part of the job, and I usually cry Phone is an incredible invention Sure, so is the horse drawn carriage, but we have cars now. We change with the times Ugh, not me. I still love my horse and carriage And my phone calls. Well, great for you, mrter Retro Chic, but for the rest of us, a phone call causes panic. Maybe twenty years ago, a ringing phone meant something like Marjorie down the street is inviting you over for homemade casserole. How charming These days though The call is either spam, your college that cost you two hundred thousand dollars asking if you'd like to give them more money or someone delivering bad news Sometimes it's also a butt dial. Those are fun, right? Are they? fiveive minutes of wrestling Okay, plus, have you ever tried to get off the phone with someone and they keep dragging it out? It's a whole song and dance of going, okay in a way that's supposed to sound final, while the other person completely ignores the hint and launches into a detailed anecdote about new cereals on offer at their grocery store. text on the other hand, and whenever you want them to You just stop responding Beautiful. And you don't have to play phone tag trying to get an answer J send your question and the other person response when they can Ideal There's also the matter of being in public Someone calls to chat and any random stranger can listen in on my conversation I would like to be able to tell my mom about how I cried over accidentally ordering the wrong breakfast burrito without broadcasting it to the world It is simply not the world's business. And speaking of being in public We've all been trapped near someone on a loud phone call It's a nightmare. Texting is silent. It is the considerate choice And here's something phone calls can never give you, a written record. I can search my text, find that address someone sent me three months ago, and double check what time we said we'd meet. A phone call just evaporates into thin air. And finally, texting isn't just words. It's photos, links, voice memos, emojis, a whole multimedia experience Texting is even changing language itself Now we're all using new abbreviations and fun emojis to express ourselves. It's like each one of us is a modern day Shakespeare, inventing new ways to say things. So, in conclusion Texting is convenient. consonsider it less panicky and frankly, more creative. Oh, it's my childhood friend again. She says than that text brightened my day. And she sent me a picture of some sandwiches she made. Let me t this back a drool emoji and a heart one too Very nicely done. I'm sending you gifts of lots of people giving high fives go Ell what's it out to you about Kaalila's decelaration of greatness? That like she was saying how calls have to be at a good time and how like your texts are private and like kept You can keep them to yourself. Okay, Jonathan, it's time for your rebuttal. You've got thirty seconds to leave Kaalila on reed and your time starts now. Okay, You mentioned Shakespeare. I'm trying to remember which play or sonnet, the smiley face was in. you say the thing about the how phone calls evaporate into air, but frankly, like I mean, all the best things in life do, you know, like laughter and tears and our own human experiences themselves. So I don't think, you know that discounts them. I we're I think a lot of what you're saying I feel very parental. it speaks to our isolation I mean,' not sure if you want to talk about the nature of mortality and death, but I just like to sort of be able to look back at a nice text later, you know? I mean, I don't know. We're just jumping too too far ahead. I mean like why y do anything? you know, like why sail a paper boat on a pond? Why would you do that See that's the problem right there in two different languages. I come from a generation where you know you beat a hoop down the street with a stick U You know, and you've your generation has got AI solving all of that. So I don't know about AI, but I don't think it's a bad thing that we've, you know, evolved beyond hoops. We have better things to play with now than hoops on streets. Okay. Okay, Ella, it is time to award some points. Please give one point to the Declaration of greatness that you liked best and one point to the rebuttal that won you over You get to decide what makes them winning an argument? Did one team argue more passionately? Did another team have better logic And worard your points, but don't tell us who they're going to Have you made your decision? Yes Excellent Cleand, Jonathan, how are you two feeling so far? Feeling confident, I guess. It's a weird. I'm usually so conflict avoided that it's a weird mode for me to be in. And I feel like ready to throw in the towel. I'm like Maybe she's right. Maybe phones are for phoning. What do want All right, well it's time for a quick break. cheheck your messages and charge your phone. And we'll be right back with more smash boom bestest. You're listening to state of debate, home to rage and rhetoric and awe inspiring argumentation. Mow. That's Kat for Hello. I'm Taylor Lincoln Debate Maven and cat person. Woof, Woof. That's dog for feeed Me. And I'm Todd Douglas, the dog dude and deebate powerhouse. And we're here at our local animal shelter to cuddle some canines and kitty cuties. And catch some logical fallacies with our claws and paws. Logical fallacies are uncool debate techniques that help you lose your debates. and I just snagged a nasty one. Wanna hear it? That's doog for, of course. Let's listen in and see what the cat trgged in Oh, look at these little kittens in need of a home Oh what do you think, Amos Should I adopt one M. Arenn't they adorable? Listen to their little meows. I don't really like cats. Wait, what Why And why didn't you put that on your dating profile? I don't know, thinkink that they're mean How so? 'causeuse they can scratch and bite Dogs can also scratch and bite This little furball seems to love the way I'm petting him They're mean because they're just not nice of people Cats are mean because they're not nice to people And they're not nice to people because they're me Our friend just said the same thing twice. That argument didn't take us anywhere. And that's because it was a circular argument fallacy. That's when a debatater ends their point with the argument they started with It's an argument that goes around in circles, Like a dog chasing its tail Our friend Amos needs to come up with some fresh ideas about why cats are mean Which is a losing argument anyway I don't know, Taylor, I've had a few gnarly run ins with my neighbor's cat Salsolito. Watch it, Todd. My claws are coming out. To quote the great Scooby Doo Rye We'll see you next time on S of day M If you're listening to Smash Boom Bust, I'm your host Molly Bloom, and I'm your judge Ella. And we love getting debate suggestions from our listeners like this one. Hi, My name is Wyatt. I'm from Hamford, California. My debate suggestion is Monopoly versus Janga A game night debate Wy it's not playing with this one. We'll hear who Wyatt thinks should win at the end of the show. And now, back to this debate, calling versus texting And now it's time for round two, the pro round It's time for a fact off. Kalila and Jonathan will each get three chances to make a micro argument backed by a cool fact or idea Jonathan went first last round, so Kaila, please start us off Texting saved a life In two thousand eight, British surgeon David Knott was volunteering in the Congo and performed a lifeif saving operation, receiving step by step surgical instructions via text message. The operation was a success So wait, I just have a follow up question about that little fun factoid So he put down the scalpel in order to like be texting away. I don't have information about the logistics of if maybe someone was reading them out loud Okay U All right, I do tend to think that if it was just done on a phone, you could you can get rid of the middleman and you wouldn't have to have someone reading the text out. But anyway. Um Did you know that phone calls are good for your mental health And I've got some studies to prove it. One study tested how people felt after calling an old friend or just typing to them and get this. evenven though people were worried that the call would be awkward, it wasn't And it brought them closer to their friend And another study found that regular phone calls make people feel less lonely That's nice. It's not quite as good as like saving someone's life, but You know, earlier, you said there's no story about the first text message. In fact, there is, the first text message was Merry Christmas. and it was sent from a computer, not a phone on december third, nineteen ninety two, a great year. A twenty two year old software programmer named Neil Papworth, a fun name, sent the very first text message. It was sent from a computer because mobile devices weren't yet capable of sending texts at the time The recipient got a very festive surprise on his phone That sounds really jolly Yeah, it is Trolly. Wait that they just they they they looked at their cell phone And they saw Merry Christmas There's nothing jolly about that. There's nothing about just reading the words Mary. It was like in new courier font, all caps? I don't know that we had that capability at the time. It was a new technology Hm, I don't know. What's a Christmas card? It's writing Yeah, I know, but it's colorful and it's got little pictures and Santa Clauses and reindeer. I don't know It does occur to me though, that, you know, if there weren't, Any phones? There would be any phone lines And where would birds s I know that's a non seequitor, but Thank you Is that something that you've ever considered We're really gonna sit in trees, get splinters. I think their feet are built for that. I don't know that they get splinters. All right, fair enough. Was that your facts or No that was o. maybe that count is a fact. I guess it is a fact. Okay, here's a question for you. What are you doing on april twenty fifth? Because I am celebrating National Telephone Day. It started in nineteen sixty seven in honor of the one hundred million telephone line being installed in the US To celebrate they had governors and dignitaries all get on a party line together and they got gold phones I think we need to bring this back because I want to get on a party line and get a cold phone. Gold phones is pretty cool, but sitting on a conference call with a bunch of governors sounds actually like a nightmare to me All right, well, here's my last fact. In two thousand three, AT and T helped American Idol set up a voting system that relied on text messages rather than voice calls At the time, text messaging was still new and some twenty two percent of respondents to a later poll so they learned to text specifically in order to vote on the show A reality singing competition accidentally became one of the biggest drivers of texting adoption in American history U Now now you're talking about American Idol, right? And the what is the that's a competition where people sing, Yes, where people make use of the greatest instrument of all With deference to Ella, I'm trying to butter up the judge here. flute and the saxophone great. But what better instrument than the human voice Do you see where I'm going with this? I see where you're going for a professional singer, but not for any Smo who's like saying they like a certain singer better than another singer. I don't think that that needs to be spoken could just as easily be typed I got a little mini fact. I mean, what do we call those things that we keep in our pockets? We don't call them Phones. call or rather we do call themones. We don't call texting machines. Right? That's the, um That is are these facts? I don't know, are they or are they low blows? is I don't know. I mean, even like when you think about the friendships that you have, the friends, there's kind of a hierarchy. like there's the friends that you feel like you could pick up the phone and call, right? And those are usually your closest friends That's a soft fact.'s fact of the heart. much of a fact, buts a fact of the heart. All right. What's out to you from this mic around? they each had like their strengths like in texting, you might like do it more often or like with everyone and then like going definitely with like specific people to show you care about them.. All right Those are a lot of good facts, a lot of good points, but only one team can get a point for this round. So Ella please award a point for this micro round The decision is completely subjective and completely up to you Have you made your decision? I have Perfect, keepeep it secret and we'll be right back When it comes to looking your best, Beachbum Tanning does it better. Beachbum delivers advanced sun and spray tanning, luxury skincare, and an elevated salon experience designed around you. It's why so many guests trust Beachbum for flawless color and real confidence. And now Beachbum is expanding wellness services to many locations, with red light therapy and infrared sauna, with more on the way. Rcharge your body, refresh your skin, reset your day. Beachbum isn't just tanning, it's full spectrum wellness. 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