Austrian Grand Prix Preview

It's not the same, is it But without your man your man. You know what we should call today's episode Not Mar Not too much. It's really fad Actually, I think we should probably start today's episode explaining that you're responsible for Oma being on this show. We should. shall show a photo. I made it all happen Yeah, that was call him. And he's in bed how many times? I need to show Im gonna show right at this point, if you're listening to this podcast, please find a way to watch this podcast because I want to show you this you see that Yeah. Yeah. What is that a picture of . So just I'm going have to put this on my Instagram as well. How do we we need to explain the story behind that photo? I mean he's got his eyes gotatchy. Whenn' you say he's lost a lot of weight, hasasn't he? He has, yeah, he has. And he shred about that last week M is he say Nothing, he's lost a massive amount of weight. he's gone for it. Good on him. Absolutely. So So how did all three of us get together which for now not because like because Omar is on holiday. Yeah, again Um so we so I did the the serious high performance and sat in that chair there. Yeah. and then are we allowed to say that it's the same studio. I think people probably guess by now because the chairs are the same and basically we've got no money for a set. so it's just anyoneure around? Yeah. And then afterwards you said, Ohh, that was Mega. I want to do a Formul One podcast wouldould you be interested in? And I said you know what? It's not really my cup of tea and because's formula one Yeah. becauseuse I on podcasts and they're a bit bland and a bit dry, but I thought actually we could make this one quite fun and bring our knowledge. And then you said we need a third wheel and I said I know just the man And I give a ring and I said, What do you reckon? U and then he wasn't available. So then you called up M. Yeah, he wasn't available. So and then I called about eight or nine other people and then I finally got to OmA. Well, I bumped into in the pub actually and I was pissed. so I just said, lookook, you want do a podcast No, that's not true. He was our he's a good lad. and so I said, you want to do it? And then U And then he said, yeah, why not? let's chat about it. And then we got on that call and If you remember, Otmar wasn't answering his phone. Om was Otmaar wasn't on the call. so then I called him And I think he was in New York, wasn't he? And we were probably about one two o'clock in the afternoon and then he answered which is not that uncommon? from the bed. Oh hi guys. And he genuinely was. He was lit only by his phone torch or the phone light, the phone screen. and kind of in classing. A slightly sleepy inebriated state agreed in that moment to do a podcast with us. Yeah We haven't really discussed like your relationship with him went When did you first work with him or come across him? No, I did We've never worked together. Y your p's never crossed an F one. Well, they did, but only like knowing each other. Yeah Um So I never worked with him, but I always, you know, he's just one of those people that I always admired for Um, you know, for for what he's achieved But then I always just thought, I mean, we've goingone back like long time now Um you know, when we first got to know each other and I thought he was just always a sound bloke. you know, there there's a lot of There's a lot of people in Formula One who disappear up their own arse very quickly U you know that. you've seen it. and he is one of them. No, he's not. he is's he's just a solid blow, you know, he's had a lot of success u, you know, done very well but always just kept his feet on the ground and understood it for what it was and you know, always able to corral a team around him, which I've always admired Um, I think that is, you know, the number one trait of anybody who's successful in Formula onene They understand it's about the team and not themselves Um you know, and they play a part in all of that. And yeah, so I just we kind of just got to know each other and then we are now. Um semi neighbors. Nice. He was more of a neighbour but then he moved to the Posher end. City he's obviously done particularly well. Well. evenven though we have no armar, we still have All the ingredients, I believe to make a great episode of highigh pererformance. We've got lots of questions actually and a lot of them are for you from your favorite YouTube Yes, get in there. I'm getting it. And and then we're gonna enter another nominee for bullshit Corner Right, Do you have a dad joke for us? you will do by the time we get r to Dad jokes and we're going preview the Austrian Grand Prix which a great weekend for Ferrari Yeah. And that's where we're going to start actually because I've got a question that came in for us U from Dazzler nine thousand. Dazzler nine thousand Yeah get in there. Could Rob please talk us through what he would actually do over a race weekend How full on and busy was it for him? U Well, the irony is if you're doing a really good job, it's not that busy. So it depends what position you're in. So I was in two very different positions in my last two teams Ferrari and U and Williams The key to success in Formula One or the key to suc successfully executing a weekend in Formula O is preparation So if you have if you have done a lot of preparation, both simulation and simulator and done all of your historical preparation of the track and all of what you're going to expect from simulation and setup and paid with the driver and the team And you've got all of those things and you have very good communication and very good governance to use a big word, you know, how you when you come together and talk about it as a team What you discuss, how you keep those discussions from not being rambling and to the point If you're able to do all of that, then the weekend flows quite quite steadily But I would if I take like Lalally and Williams, I would arrive I was always probably one of the last to arrive because I was doing stuff in the factory as well So it would usually get there. It's a job at Williams. So I basically ran all of the so not the design office, not the aerodynamics, but then everything else So like you name it, like vehicle dynamics, race engineering, software V science like all of that type of stuff Um, Yeah, it was. it was a big job. It was basically corrallaling all of those teams and and it's not it's never about so what is the secret to a successful Formula one team? It's not kind of trying to live in the moment, but it's trying to live You know, three months, six months, twelve months, eighteen months in advance So it's about putting How do you even think about doing that though? Because because because you' got to think more strategically. So when I joined Williams, it was very much, you know, the team was very much trying to live in that moment and trying to extract. lap time and performance for the next race. and it's like, no, let's start to build capability. let's start to build u, you know, strategic programs that don't pay dividends for next weekend but will in three months or six months or nine months. So it was very much about doing stuff like that And also I think You've got you' got to be a leader you're going to kind of lead from the front, you know, lead by example of of u motivating the team and having good culture in the team as well You know, you can't allow bad cultures to creep in. you can't allow it to be about individuals U be that drivers, be that senior engineers, be that senior management, whatever it is. You can't allow any of that nonsense to youve got to keep the team focused and keep the team motivated. What did you find like day one you walk into Williams, having been at Ferrari for a long time What did you find in terms of the key differences between the two U I think the team at that point was very much living, you know with quite an old fashioned mindset. and that's nothing to do with with all the women and men that were there because I think that That was just a cultural thing of and they were a little bit scared, you know. I mean, if you're going to be good in Formula One, if you're going to win in Formula one, you' got to have a bit of grit about you. You got to, you know Um you should never allow allow that to spill over to arrogance, but you got to be confident, right? And you got to build confidence in the team Um, and, you know, I think in that first year in twenty fourteen You could see that the car was like, you know, it was a reasonable car. But the team just wasn't up to delivering it in those in those initial races. and it was just kind of corralling everybody and saying right, let's put process in place. Let's like kind of get a bit of confidence around what we're doing. Let's make sure that we are ultra prepared for everything. Let's chase every single millisecond down during the weekend because that's important as well And let's remember who we are. like we are Williams, right U I think I always used to hear when I was there that Williams described as the British Ferrari, right? which is quite a nice way of, you know, there's such a lot of heritage and history Um So it was that weighing them down a little bit at that time? heritage and the history. No, think I think you use the past to inform and learn for the future. Yeah. You can't allow the past to Tate today and the future. And I think I think that's where Williams were a little bit, you know into twenty thirteen started twenty fourteen U so it's about, yeah, okay, let's we should be proud of all that heritage and history. but actually it's a little bit meaningless right now. Right now, we've got to, you know, face what's in front of us over the next, you know The next race, the next few months, the next few years. and let's build something together We need to talk a bit about Williams actually because they're going to be comeing to Austria this weekend having had anotherother difficult race weekend last time out in Barcelona. So I went to the Williams factactory Um It would be about three years ago. who was the team principal at Williams, the boss at Williams before James Vowels? He wasn't there very long. Ycaapito You agree loy him I really like that Maybe did I read that right? I can tell by your face I shouldn't have done. Okay, so you really liked it. You really liked it. you I don't know him very well. Okay. I said no. That's a diplomatic no, everyone. So went and met Yoscaapito U interviewed him Lked what he had to say Um But I liked him, but I didn't leave thinking, wow, man I need to drive for that guy or work for that guy. What a leader of men and women he is. Wow And then we went back about six or eight months later when James Vales had arrived absolutely left thinking, shit I'd love to work for James' house. Like everything he said made sense. The way that he talked about the past and the history of the team was powerful. The way he talked about the future was exciting, The way that he went into his like decision making processes was compelling. I knew that he'd just come from Mercedes and had been central to like win after win, title after title and I was like, wow And the most the two things that stood out to me was when he said, I've come in here and I've said to the team, brereak everything Yeah, findind the limit of every part of this team. Iound like that's pretty cool And then he said, I don't care about anything until twenty twenty six. He said the new regulation changes around moment. Y And I walked out of that And if I'd have had one hundred grand at that point to put on into a Formula one team to win the title in twenty twenty six, I felt so confident in James Vows and in that team put it on William I' glad you didn' I'm also so glad I didn't What has happened there Well I think you can never predict the future, can you? I think James is a very clever guy, you know, all the accolades to him. He, you know, come from being, you know, I don't know whether he his tootal is number two at Mercedes, but he's certainly very senior there. and, you know, saw the way a top team operates, right? And that's kind of you need that in your armory. If you're going to go to another team and help lift them up, you need to take all that with you. and there's no doubt about it, you know, as handsome I as' and brilliant as I am. that was one of the reasons why Wh they employed me Williams, you know, back in twenty fourteen because I brought a lot of you know, how did Ferrari win so many championships Um, so, you know, that was something that he that was definitely a positive that he brought But then you got to make your own mark, right? You can't like the worst thing you could do is to walk into a team like that and start to say, well, when I was at Ferrari, you used to do it like this. and when you know, you've got to kind of tone that down a little bit and let people guide people into making their own decisions rather than you know, laying it on them. to give them direction. So I think that he's done a very good job in that. He's done a very good job of building process. But the one thing that you can never do in Formula one, you only have control over yourself. Right So They could have done the best job ever up to twenty twenty six with the tools that they have available and the budget that they had available and all the rest of it. But what have the others done right? You're fighting against Mercedes, you're fighting against Ferrari, you're fighting against Bull McLaren, you know, all these teams that are now established top teams. Yeah. So I just think it's it's very hard to predict the future. And I also, you know, I've I've never put myself in a position where I've said, Ohh, you know, give us, you know, next year we'll be winning races or whatever. I think it's I think you got to be Like temper that somehow Um, But, you know, Formula One is a relative sport And they are, you know, not in the best position this year I think that they have good people there, they have good leadership. they have a good technical team Um So it's like we talked about last week when I was talking about Auston Martin case now of like getting together Understanding where your problems are, admitting your problems. That's always, always a massive issue in teams that are not doing very well. they always try and shy away from their problems, right And I'm always one like like even now in my own businesses. You know, I'm like, you' got a problem. Let's fucking talk about it, right? I'm not interested. Someone's done well for themselves Yeah, notot as well as our mate who's not here. Hotmar. Yeah. Well that's why he's not here ' he has to spend all that money he's making. someomehowash Somehow he has to get rid of that cash U Where are they lacking, Williams U Well, I mean, the car doesn't look like it has a great deal of downforce on it. So, you know, they they they went to Um, you know, last race, u It wasn't that great. It doesn't look like it's completely inefficient as a car U, you know, the performance was slightly better in Monaco than it was in in Barcelona. Barcelona is rewards high downforce and I don't think they've got you know, fully on top of these regulations yet There are packages coming. you know, I keep reading that and talking to the guys there. you know, they've got like some reasonable upgrades coming U I think the car was a little bit overweight at the start of the year and they're starting to bring that back now, you know there's lap time in that But it's like I just said, like just just look where your problems are and admit them. addmit when you've taken the wrong direction, addmit if you've got if a team you know, an internal team isn't working very well U, admit that, you know, you've as the senior group where you're not leading or you're not putting enough focus or strategic direction U J be very, very open. it's like Formula one is very much about what I always call positive conflict R? You got to get in a meeting, you got to talk about things and there has to be like you got to be disagreeing with each other. if Williams now are all sat around the table saying, well, aren't we doing well? And it's just like all of these like forces, external forces working against us, that's not the right attitude, you know, or it's all to do with this thing over here, it's all to do with that thing Formula one, Russ Brunn taught me out In Formula One, the magic buullller is that there is no magic buuller Right? There is no silver bullet. There's just there's just hundreds of things that you've got to do really well And that's what the team principal has to do And you know, the senior engineering team, they are the conductors of the orchestra. So you know, couct I love this question. this has coming to us. How do you think Michael Schumacher would have gotten along in the two thousand seven and two thousand eight Ferrari Do you think he would have swept up Both championships. Yeah deffinitely resoundingly U it was a very good car U and I've never said this publicly before, but two thousand six was the year that Ross Brun retired U and then we were all kind of left in the wilderness for a bit. So two thousand seven and two thousand eight. he was I think peopleople don't underestimate what a what what a force Ross Braun was in that team. I think he's got all the accolades But I think that it was just the little things, you know, he was brilliant No doubt about it m and it was just a little things when he left. I think that, you know, when when I first got there, one of the things that he taught me through osmosis was, you know, I'm always like, you know, like, takeake the moment, like take the win, like take, you know, whatever, like let let's just like, you know Go for it, go for it And he was just slightly more measured I don't want to say conservative, but more measured in his thinking. and sometimes he would take to me, well, hang on a minute. haveave you thought about that? And then, you know, he always was thinking about the long game. And I think we probably reverted in that two thousand seven, two thousand eight without his guidance and steady hand on the pit wall to be a little bit more shoot from the hip and do and that like leads you into mistakes. So we definitely missed him. So I think Michael, yes, like in that car probably would have brought some of that and undoubtedly would have won the world Championships if he was in that car and we would now be looking at a nine times world Champion U but also we shouldn't underestimate the impact that Ross leaving the team had Be I think if he was there, we also would have won two thousand seven. at a Canter And we would have won easily in two thousand eight as well because we just wouldn't have made as many mistakes And a year later in two thousand nine I was obviously then hosting The BBC coverage and that was when Fhilipppe had his accident right up Yes I' Brand P Yeah Budapest for those that don't know apart for of Rubens's Barrllo Brawn bounced around on the track. I mean, it was a bit like this ridiculous moment in Barcelona where a piece of gravel hit the kill switch on Nika Hoggenberg'saudi You right? Did not know that story? I didn't know that? Yes You know that little loop, that little metal loop that comes out the side of the car that the engineer that the marshals can pull and it sets off a fire extinguisher and kills the engineer and justes just makes the car U Liam Lawson ran wide Kicked up a piece of gravel bounced on the track caught the But if Wire on the side of Holenberg's Audi. I had no idea about this. pulled it and turned the car off as he was racing. Oh my god.a how like what a mistake couldbelievable is that? Yeah. Yeah, highly unlucky. I mean, yeah honestly I didn't know anything about that. I haven't read it. It's good to know that you do your full prep before. was like it was literally a week and a half ago. But anyway, that it reminded me of the Philippa masaractident because again, it was like total Fate and flu can chance that it happened. it's also chance that he survived, right because totally close to that totally the case. you're doing about that much to the right and it would be Honestly, yeah, totally. Tally, It would have come in his visor So if you can imagine the aperture of the helmet is here, that's where it h hit half into the aperture. Yeah. Another call it twenty millimeters to the right and it would have come straight through the visor like the weakest part of the helmet And of course, that was then likeike he wasn't going to carry on that season, who was going to replace him And am I right that Michael Schumacher at that point almost made a return to the Ferrari, but had injured his neck in a motorike accident Injred it back. Yeah, his back and neck And I don't think I don't think he was up for it anyway. I mean, Michael s fairly shrewd character, he kind of looked at that car, really Yeah, not sure about that. Did you go and see him or anything or did you Michael? Yeah at that point? No. No, no Well, I mean, he was he was he was there. I mean, he was he injured his body Um, as much as that he couldn't drive a Formula One car bouncing around for two hours on a Sunday afternoon But he was in and out at the factory all the time, right. Uh So yeah, it didn't happen with Michael Um, and then We and then we drafted in Luca, Lua Bwa, who was long timee test driver And then later in the season we drafted in after Sa and before Monza we drafted in Janala Vkeella. Now, one thing that always stood out to me And we were talking about this Um Last week, When we were talking about what is it What do top drivers do for you, right? And how do they transform the team and really Interesting at that point is that we had Kimmy Richken and Phipp Masa two very, very good drivers in a car that was very difficult to drive, right? Not a very good car at all And they were always delivering, right? I mean, we were not near a race win, but they were always inside the top ten And they were always, I think we were nicking podiums every now and again, right Okay, Luas's episode was a little bit shorter and Luca hadn't raced the Grand Priica for about ten years. Um so struggle to get up to speed, but that's pretty normal for, you know, you just draft a guy in and ask him to get on with it U but then Jian Clo came in And here here's a really interesting stat for you Without a bit of help from the Ks where Kimmy won the Kim me one two thousand nine Belgian grand Prix in that Ferrari Um But Jang Caro was second Right? And they had a faster car in the Force India So and And he really should have won that race from Kimmy We put him in the Ferrari Um, Kimy had won the race the year before the weekend before him and Philippo were always like I said in the top ten usually like towards the top three put John Caro in that car in Monza and he couldn't get out of Q three in it. So that to me I mean, okay, he wasn't used to the car and all the rest of it, but that to me showed us that you know we had two very, very good drivers driving that car and getting that car up towards the front of the grid every single weekend Um, and I think when you got to and they were pushing each other as well because I think they were fairly evenly matched fully paying Kimmy You know, um D differenterent driving styles but fairly evenly matched, but they were pushing each other hard And they were and they really elevated the team. We with that car in two thousand nine, I've said it before it didn't deserve to be getting the results that we were getting. and those boys were bringing it home every single weekend Another driver that people have asked a lot of questions about is Jean Lacy. Oh, Jean. We must have had twenty or thirty people message saying, please tell us what it was like engineering, John O Lacy. If there was one good fun. J O fun. I say If there was one John O' Lacy story that you'd want to share with us, what would it be? There's probably too many to choose from Well, I always tell this. so John and I do like when we're on stage together doing events or whatever, I always tell his stories. So you availible for hire So available higher. I mean, the rates are quite state, but you know, give it a sh. So so So he came. So we had a swap between him and so Jean came to Jordan And Hinz who was in the Jordan, this is in the middle of the season went to Prost Rst, I think. Right, Yeahah, S like that So they swapped in the middle of the season And so I'd like heard like all of these like stories about Jn and how he was really hard on the engineers and everything. But we just got on. He was like great fun From the outset. And I think he kind of was at that stage in his career where he knew that it was, you know, this was his last year or two And he was just enjoying himself Yeah. And if I remember rightly, Yano truly was in the other car, Yano, who is one of over a single lat, one of the fastest Formula One drivers ever Um as John couldn't get near him on a single lap, but but always managed to, you know, do do reasonably well in the race We swapped. And it was Budapest. U and this is when so termin in Budapest now is quite a tight corner Back in the day, it was a bit further back towards the pit buildings and it was more of a sweeping right hand corner. Its still like a hair pin Till one hundred and eighty degree corner, but a much wider one and Ah. So John goes out on his first run And one of the things as engineers, you're always looking at the steering trace You're looking at the throttle and the steering trace and usually, you know, you're looking for almost imperceptible movements in the steering trace And from that, you can tell how finely tuned the balance of the car is. So you can tell whether it's over steer or understeer. When you get the steering trace moving around a lot, so you're kind of like this, the driver is sawing at the wheel You always think to yourself like that that demonstrates that the car's got like a massive amount of oversteer because the driver's constantly catching it as he's going around the corner. So he does his first run And I was kind of like looking at the data and I'm thinking, Fuck, this car' a pig. like, you know, we've set it up all wrong for him and he got it kind of got to see him afterwards Ive sh him the trace And I said like, yeah, the car looks like massimly obvious No, no, the guy is a lot of under steer. L like, okay, we're going to have to recalibrate ourselves. And then he was just like good fun. He was just like He he was just we just had a I think he that was the end of was it two thousand one season? Right. And I wasn't long before I went to Ferrari. And he was just he was just good and I still get on with him now. I see him all time ask you about Ferrari before you joined on not No. No, no, I don't think so. I don't think so. I think I had a lot of like people giving me advice on What I should do and what I shouldn't do and none of it really turned out to be that accurate. I just did my own thing when I got there I remember in Aers Abbey one time H I went it was me and some another FF one presenter or journalist or one of the reporters on the BBC, maybe Lee MackKenzie. Yeah with Johnny Herbert and John Lacy. Yeah driving like a couple of like Vauxwall Novas or something like just fun little amate. him and Johnny were like swing there were swapping places. There was so much going on in this car. I didn't even know where to look. We were sideways, almost backwards,. And Aberdabi had loads of those like red and white posts all the way around the track. Yeah ye. And his fun thing was to let the back end step out and knock each of them off. And I was thinking like someone has to By more I mean I'm not sure they weren't short of a bobble to in Aber Dhabi. But he was just like a party animal at that point because he was still knocking around F one and having fun. Yeah And then it's like a go out in the like Do you remember that Aberdhabi Grand Prix branded up like a GP two car or something. But not even not even that because I wouldn't be able to drive that, but it was like a reduced speed version And I got in it and drove around and he was in it and stuff. On got back into the garage after like five laps on Aberdabi I couldn't get out of the car. I'd basically swellll them up in the heat. Really? Yeah They will filled the name. I couldn't get out. I was like literally stuck in the car it was I mean on six foot four, So it was a tight squeeze to get into this little car anyway. And how did they get out with one of them barryatriry We just we just left me in the garage, right? too cool down because the garage is all air conditioned. I remember they had those like really powerful blowers so that as you walked in, even though the garage door was open you walked through the garage door And it would just be freezing cold. I just had to sit there for twenty minutes like cooling down. when I moved her out and I was getting like nervous and claustrophobia.' J driver Yeahah, he did yeah. veryery fast Yeah He's a very fast driver. I mean, look at like his's u When he first came into Formula One in the Tyrell, he was he was super talented. Yeah, yeah, yeah very, very talented Very, very tightred. like a lot of raw like a huge amount of natural ability But good fun with it. Iate, John.. Thank you for all your questions. Please keep them coming in. If you're watching on YouTube or you're listening, whver you get your podcasts, please just ping us a message. And by the way, most people that enjoy our show are not subscribers that don't follow. We would love you to do just that. It takes a couple of seconds It means you can support the show. We can finally then get some sponsors and finally start paying Rob for his time which is L that important, isn't it? I mean you're on the verge giving up now, I' imagine I'm on the verge of bankruptcy. ye, I'm on the bread line. Well, that's ' you haven't been sensible with your money. This is a good moment for a bank or something to sponsor us on. Golden Sachs. Yeah. Wealth management. You know people there. It's time to enter this week's Bullshit corner. May I make a nomination? Yes. And so you're gonna to do it. I am going to say whether it goes in or no. Yeah. You either can agree with me or you can I'm the arbitrator. Yeah. My bullshit corner. is the u reneging by the FIA. on the penalty S Pier Gazley in N Monica Grbry in Monte Carlo. Yeah. And the reason why is obviously He didn't serve his penalty during the race, therefore it was retrospectively applied and he dropped from a podium position down to a seventh or something at the end of the Grand Prix. They then complained about the speed traps. We know all this story now that it was actually a problem in the pit lane. It wasn't that the cars were speeding, but loads of the cars got caught out by the same thing including, for example, George Russell, who quite rightly served his penalty during the race. And it wasn't really a penalty. It was like a double, even triple penalty because by not serving your penalty Yeah In the case of Pier Gazli, you were then able to argue your case and get it overturned. My reason why I want to put that into bullshit corner is because I think it opens up an absolute can of worms in forormula One. that anytime you've got a penalty with a few laps to go. You could say We could serve it and do the right thing and have the race result decided on the track. but We know what happened to Gazlly in Monaco last season or this season or even in two or three years three or four years ago So let's not bother. let's just Wait it out, see the result of the race and then try and appeal it And I just think it's not a good look for Formula onene I hate the fact that in Bernie's time, do you remember when We used to come to the end of the season. And you'd have a driver would win the world title And at no point Could you even say on the Teddy they're the worldld champion becausecause there was no trophy There was no celebration. Like if you won the world title in like Brazil in two thousand nine, and you weren't on the podium Nothing happened. You would just like go back to your driver room and have a shower And go to the airport and you might get interviewed about the fact you're the world champion, but there was no celebration, there was no podium, there was no award, there was no confetti, there was no trophy It was just what all because they wanted to check the race results and then hand out the driver's award at the FAA Gala a few months time, which is not a spectacle for television. My fear after what happened in Monaco is that we end up in a position similar to ten, fifteen, twenty years ago where we say this is the race result, but we don't really know for another couple of hours until they've looked at all the penalties Well, I think that I think I think so so first of all, I agree that the overturning of Pierre's penalty should live in bullshit corner Um And think and I think there's nuances to it as well because So if Pierre was reinstate is his points reinstated, then why wasn't everybody else? Everybody else I guess because they serve their penalty during the race and then how do you unpick all of that? How do you How do you work out what What would give ofege friend? What about George? Yeah, exactly right though. I don't know how you unpicked that because he pitted and therefore ended up miles back. Do you just like what's the answer to that Well, he didn't serve his penalty when he pitted, right? They touched the car and he didn't serve his penalty and then he get a drive Th then he gets the drive through added at the end which we know is, you know, theres there's all the appeals going on and all the rest of it Um, or they they they they have been going on Um And I just think like there's it's just it's just a can of worms when you open these things up And Yeah, I think I think that there's always been, you know, the result has always been provisional at the end of the race and then penalties, you know, we need to like talk to the driver stewards and like work in the mnera or does it? provisional result is It doesn't. But then how do you serve how do you you have to have some way of of of analyzing the penalties because because it's the worst thing for me is this that things get will be investigated after the race. I think there's a lot of stuff that goes on Um that where that we should be able to look at and decide upon during the race. And I think that and everybody talks about this, you know, forever like consistent ste in from from race to race So a Chief Steward that goes around and then you get a consistent view on a certain type of infringement. you know, sometimes we see something that looks like a racing incident and it's declared a racing incident. And then other times it's a racing incident, even more of a racing incident, let's say, and a driving gets a penalty. So I think there has to be consistency around that an age old thing in Formula one. that we still haven't got on top of, but definitely I think the whole thing, you know, start from Start from the source problem, which was this the pit lane timing loops and then all of the cook The fful I've used that before. It's a great word. and it's under used in podcasting generally. It is, it is. I'm gonna this should be Kfuffle racing. Kufuffle corner. Kufuffle cororner. Oh ye you go And I just think that it could have it yeah, the whole thing was just a bit of a mess so it deserves to go in bullshit corner. Great. we are now going to Take a look ahead at this weekend's race. I'm just seeing whether I can get Otmar on the line to get his prediction. So While I trunk, Okaykay, here he is. I don't whereere is he anyway It's still traveveling around the states. but it's ringgging like a UK number. Apmar, how are you All right. I'm with Rob. We're recording this week's episode. We're hardard at work in the studio where you're not sweating, earning a crust. Where the hell are you? Oh boy, I've been doing nothing but thinking about how you two are gonna fuck it all up without me. No, actually genuinely we miss you I'll be back, don'orry. I hope so. We're just about to preview the Austrian Grand Prix. Is there anything that you want to add to the conversation Uh yes. home r a red Bull Yep.ot many corners. Okay, anythingthing insightful our audience? No, not already. you want me to G it is start changing now? No, no, not at all. I was hoping for a bit more than just a description of the track though. Yeah It's in Austria? Yeah, it's in Austria. It's a bit of a Not many corners, a bit of an upill run. I don't know what the power sensitivity's like there, but probably higher. And I think it'll be it'll be a test for Ferrari to see how they can do there Brilliant, amazing and insightful as ever Yes very much. Yeah, Thankks Mate. and it'll be a test for Leclerc to see if he can Hamilton you wait It's not over. I've got him my mute. I can see now. Okay, Yeah anything else You can see now how engineers like you made people like him look good for you. D't you think though? Yeahike you guys do all the work. Yeah and then send him out front of the camera so he looks great. He' still talking. some fucking wood going on. I don't know, have been hble afternoon He's got nothing to say. He's had nothing to say since we started ame I think he And I still think George has got the highest probability of beating Kimy to the title I love that you've nailed your flag to the George Russell Mast. M, how much did you bet on George at the start of the year? because this is like this is now getting by a little bit partisan. Yeah, it's independent of that opinions aren't gonna to affect what happens apart from If George listens to this and you know, gets a bit of a psychological boost from the fact that he knows Omar is supporting him. Yes, go Omar. Have you got a joke for us before where you let you go? Uh, yes Two fish. sitting in the tank Yeah. and one turns to the other and says You know how to drive this thing? relevant because it's car related as well O Mar, thank you very much. We'll see you back in the studio after the Austrian Grand Prix for our recap of the race. I hope All right, thanks, Mate, have a great rest of your day..e. I don't hope really Oh we still there. Brilliant. giveive us a preview of the offustring Rom not many corners. Yeah. Red Bull. Mome of Red Bull. It's in Austria which is close to Germany. So now we do our analytical preview to this race weekend based on what you know so far who should be fastest around that circuit High down for circuit. but also will reward strong enngine. deffinitely. And I think that Clearly that Ferrari powerower unit is very strong. Clearly the Mercedes powerower unit is very strong. I just wonder Given how strong Mercedes were in Barcelona Ah whether or not they will be able to carry that forward to Austria as well. There's no reason why they shouldn't Um, circuit sensitivities are quite similar U and I think that Louis has got the bit between his teeth, but the as is Charles, but the Mercedes will as well So not trying to sit on the fence, but it will be it will be good to see the battle between them too. I think Max will get an extra boost as well. I believe that they're probably bring in some new bits to Red Bull Sorry to J' to a red bull bring. there go. And, you know, he is always very strong around there, always very strong. So it'd be interesting to see what he can do Pick a win you know what? I'm going to say Louis Hamilton I'm going to say exactly the same thing. If Lewis wins this race How long until betweenween us obviously You can turn with a truck here. Yep. How long until Ferari say We need to backlis for the title U I mean, you wouldn't Ferar', Ferarri's there's a dichotomy They always back a driver, Rob There's a dichotomy between the driver's World Championship and the constructor's worldld Championship. But they always have a number one driveving that team. Yeah ye, Yes. usually, Yes Um, but you can't like but but why why do you need to backl is it at the minute? likeike what what are you say The point is like you like Novery point matters So if you get an opportunity on track to pit Louis first to give him a race win at this point. But it has to be he has to be in front of or Charles has to be in front of him at that point, right? Yeah Okay, there's every chance that could happen. It could happen It could happen. I think it's too early. I think if you stop to back a driver now at this stage of se how many races in are we Seven? Yeah, we've lost a couple Yeah seeven. So this will be the eighth A two we do need to talk about next time or very soon. If it is how how long is it until Ferrari decide to go and get Kimiananlli and put an Italian driver in the Italian team. Uh Yeah, I don't think Kimmy will be available. I think Toto will make sure of that U comeome on, you go to Kimy Aonlli and say, listen He could be a world champion if he's a world champion at nineteen, twenty years of age, in Ferrari go and give him all the money that he needs and he's an Italian kid Could happen? couldould happen. You heard here first. You did You heard it here first on high performance racing. Before we go, Did you hear about the scarecrow that won a Nobel Peace Prize? No, He was outstanding in his field I also made my own joke for the Austrian Grandrix. C then, did you hear about the Austrian baker who everyone loved his cakes? No, They said they were Vienna kindind. in aike one of a kind. Yeah, it doesn't work. That's really bad I shouldn't write my own jokes. I should be like James Cordon get other people to write them for me Yeah, I haven't got any jokes I'm very sorry Well can you cuts out and go get one I go G anywhere So he thinks we've cut at this point and we actually haven't. And he now goes and gets his phone out the green room, goes on to Google, types giveive me a joke and gets a joke. While Rob' gone, let me just tell you that's the end pretty much all most of today's episode. Stay with us for Rob's amazing joke, but please keep on share in this show. please leave us comments, please like and subscribe. We want you to get in touch if you've got any dad jokes that you think we need to hear We want to get in touch with any questions for Rob, for Oma suuggestions for guests, like we loved having Clare on a couple of weeks ago and we'd love to get more guests on the show. But of course What should be entered into Bullshit Corner. We've all shared on the show things we'd like to put into that corner, but you are the people that matter. you're the forormula One fans. so please give us your suggestions as well for bullshit corner. It's getting to the point where I'm running out of things to say. So there might be an edit and suddenly without you even knowing it, Rob will be back in the chair. And if he is, then you'll know that I runan out of things to say. But please like, subscribe, share the show We'll see you next time on highigh performance racing and here he is back in the room. G gof. Oh my God What do you mean? you can't find it? Where was it No because I Some of them have been getting off the Inface, Face Gramma or whatever it's called I didn't know Well, there you go. lookook, I'm following. I'm only following sixty seven people Thank you, Molly for sorting all this out Um Okay, I think we're gonna wrap it Elbarito mononster I'm following them Martin Don, following that? What does this turned into? You're just telling us the people you're following on Instagram. Who's Martin Don? He was he's a very, very famous writer from Obviously fromom loaded in the nineties. Oh yeah So him and James Brown put loaded together in a bunch of other reprobates So he's just started doing a podcast which is which is really good. Is it as good as this one No,' nothing. I was walking I was walking past the farm and I saw a sign that said Duck eggs. Dark eggs. I thought it was an unnecessary comma You get it Duck Eggs. ye yeah That's a really, really bad ending. To this week's episode of what dating apps do cannibals use Tinder. B What? Does that make sense now I don't know I don't get that at all. Maybe What did the pink Panther say? I don't know When he stepped on the ant. What Dead andnt Dead an deead annt Oh ye that. I'm reading it.ange your own. So now, say it one more time we'll edit it in. it'll be unbelievable it' be seamless. So Robber, have you' got joke for this week's episode? Yeah What did the what did Pink Panther say when he stepped on ant? to know Dad Dad Dad. Thank you for joining us for this week's episode of Hi, performance Rittzing. 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