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So you know what I thought to myself I'm not coming back. No. Just the opposite. I thought if I gota go work with those guys, I better do a bit of research and have some immersion and, you know, get to know them a bit better. So how am I going to do this? So I bought a book Okay. Ian see you. Yep. just started reading it What's the first thing you've learned? What does it tell you about us But it describe as perfect.n't it It describes like different Cors are for people and I'll let you know what. You should probably announce the title of the book for those listening not watching Oh yeah So it's by Thomas Erksson And it's about the four types of human behavior. How to understand those Who cannot be understood? And the title is Surrounded by idiots.. There we are. That's quite a compliment for us, do it? Yeah, I think so. Yeah I'll take that. Yeah You're quite a hb. I qught a lot worse. We actually had some nice comments. I mean, I'd go with this one first of all, just saying if this podcast were just to have Jake and Rob I'll be happy to watch you guys as an avid fan. Both of you did a splendid job The bond between the two of you is real. I like it. says Osbourne Curry. So There you go. Osbourne Curry P me read some of the other ones. Actually this one says I definitely missed upa for this one But Rob stole the show of the jokes, which will return at the end of this episode didn't have ao. Oh, you stole the show without having a joke. No I did' have a joke Oh you had to go out and get the joke, Do you remember? And it was u D done You obviously got bored and turned the episode? No I didn't. I was on the tube listening to it and we got to a deead spot Th then I didn't go back. It was like the joke. There was only two minutes left or something. And you thought, fuck it. Well he said, I don't have a joke, so I thought I'd fuck it. I don't want to hear Jake's jokes. Can you remember the joke? So what about a pink panther Yeah. I don't, it was good though We'll get it for you another time. All right. It's very good. Spliceer twenty seven. I love how you guys is this is actually funny. What's he called? Spice of twenty seven? Sppliceer twenty seven. See Edwina Curry, I gu But yeah, this place to twenty seven. I love how you guys just rock up to the studio with no plan It even know no scripts No stylist or makeup And you just go for it. Hap hasazard unpolished. E about it shouldn't work but it kind of does We look shit, we sound shit. We don't know what we're talking about. I've got and I bring with me all the time, lens cleaners You do actually. you were cleaning your shirt out there. Yeah Sirt cleaner, lens cleaner? Yeah. So you are polished. I am polished. But my favourite comment of the last week and thank you so much for continuing to share your thoughts with the show. You can do that on YouTube, on Spotify, on Apple. You can just send DMs Robin Omar. loveve people sliding into their DMs U Jay Rez two thousand seven Rob Smedley is infamous in Loughborough Uh. Why is that When I was a poor engineering student at Loughborough, I lived in a large block of flats and I didn't have the internet. However, I access WFi by hacking into routers within the block somethingomething I'm not proud of but needs must. Nonowing my computer name could be seen if owners of the routers checked. I chose a name. cover my tracks. Smedley. I was watching Brazil two thousand eight. And I changed my computer to Rob Smedley An inconspicuous name to hide behind Days and weeks passed, I thought no one had noticed And then When I came home Building Notice port There was a printed notice Common room board. in large letters Rob Smedley, you cheap bastard. Stop stealing our wiFi. Only later did I learn that Rob was in fact, a student at Loughborough also Oh was. So you are now famous for being a Wif Fi thief Well Lasbor. It's yeah, good. Well, you got to be famous for something, right? Well do Not to mention stealing John Todds, but' muchention jumper a jumper. People like that. There's a theme You need to come in one day wearing all stolen paraphernalia is a message we also had. Right. Let's go on with the show. Lots going on today. Please, before we get going, if you can just hit like or hit subscribe, it means we can get even more people watching the show. We can continue to bring you this fun podcast. We would love you to do that. It takes just a couple of moments So on today's show, Otma on his phone once more, you checking stats fact? data? for sure. So George has's proved that you can handle all the pressure after some bad races. We'll talk about what's next for George Russell. Is it now a two horse race or a three horse race? We're going to ask that question Max is back, but could he also be in a McLaren next season? We're going to bring you the first ever very catchy Something only Rob knows, but he's about to tell you, so you know it too Aie Yeah We're going to preview Silverston. Suggestions for bullshit corner, please keep those coming in. There are so many of these, particularly on YouTube. If you've got something that belongs in bullshit corner We want to hear from it. We've got dad jokes, we've got your messages for the guys and so much more Shall we do it Well yeah Welcome to another episode of highigh performance racing. Racing.. Okay, let's get straight to it then. The Mercedes battle is back on. forty points is the gap and suddenly the whole world is telling us that George Russell can win the title Not just me No every it's like it feels like everyone was saying oh, it's Kimmy's and no one else is going to challenge and now everyone's saying No, I don't No not saying only one person in this studio. I'm basically saying other shows and not other podcasts other other forms of media. But let's just be really clear about whether this is a Tw horse or are three horse a race, right? Is Lewis Hamilton in this battle or not? and if he's not, is it just Can we now say it's George or Kimmy for the title? I think it's still too early. Yeah You are holy Ttally And Max know wrong, especially Race space made some time up So he's ninety eight He looks off the lead. Do think he could do it again And he was on a good qualifying run as well when he made a rare mistake and went off. Yeah. I think it was Creamed. It was green but some of his minis were purple ye. Yeah. extly so. It would have been very close. It would have been close. And then George though, stonking qualifying lap Because even with the lift, which costs them a tenth He was on poull by two He would have been on poull by three, three and a half tents without The yellow flag. Yeah So not bad Yeah and definitely, which has not been the case for a while, he was definitely quicker than Kimy and qualifying So even like kim me aboarded because I don't know you got confused about double yellows or whatever until that point. He was still quicker. Yeah, George was like two tense up before Kimmy pulled him. Is there any argument that George was fortunate to keep that thatap We need look at all of the facts surrounding it. No, single single wave yellow. He did exactly what he was meant to do. Ready to change direction, lift, went slower You could show it in the data I mean, the other thing with Kimmy. notot a double waveed yellow. That's experience Yeah, of course. You know, if you've got one hundred and fifty I mean, even next time he does it. he'll start looking for double wavave instead of single and then make the move That's experience. and that's the kind of stuff over the long run. As time goes to infinity or to the end of the season, And it's marginal George will have the advantage from an experience standpoint. Totally Yeah. Now from all out speed standpoint. Kimmy' there Yeah, I think you're right because I think what will happen is we've seen George and we've talked about this, right? George has to do it. right? George has to come back and he has to You know, Kimmy was Hving a great time U T I was having a good time, not quite as good in Austria U or Barcelona, but he has to do it, right? George has to come back and has to like kind of deliver. In Austria he did that. He delivered very, very well No you will have is that all of a sudden Kimmy's gone from zero pressure and have in the time of his life, to then a little bit of pressure will come on him, right? because that lead will start to get eroded. and he's never been in that position before. He's never had a lead, which has got eroded. He's never been put under pressure. So the psychology for him will change as well. And then we'll see that, you know Whether or not he can withstand that pressure? I don't know, but what we can say is it's very, very difficult for a driver as young as him But we also know that George can because been under that pressure this season. Yeah you just went to Barcelona. and I know it didn't get the result he wanted, but He was on Ple in Barcelona ' pol in Austrial He had loads of bad luck. He had raceed results that didn't go his way And it's I wonder whether people have almost gone from writing him off this season as the season when he should have delivered for Mercedes to almost being in the total opposite now and it's like actually to have done what he's done the last couple races. shows actually how mentally strong he is and you both know this. When a driver' been through what he's been through at the start of this season, they are a stronger dririve mentally get for that Because he knows he can do it. He has the evidence. sh it with it. for sure For sure And you need that reaffirmation and once you have it, then you perform to that level You know you can do it So I think that Lewis. Um He's not out of it. He can, you know, hit ebs and flows. He's on the car though, right? I mean, he's forty six points behind. Wait he loves Silverstone does does well there. I can see Lewis winning Silverone. wouldn't that be? Lewis winning Silverstone to Ferrari. Yeah And don't count Max out Yeah. I mean he doesn't make the mistake in qualifying. would does he win that race? I think could have won. W have won it Because he was faster in it was faster for quite a long stint of the race. Especially that last stint he kept catching him. Yeah, he kept catching him. Oh ye had slightly fresher tres then, but in the second as he's catching George, he's faster, right So he's faster and he has less degradation They then gets on the back of George And really the point was there. You asked me earlier, Jake Should he have pined I asked yeah on for clarification, you haven't missed part of this episode that was on WhatsApp He couldn't because he would havent gotone into traffic. Right. Okaykay. So when we're watching on Sunday And we had all of our whiz bang race traces in front of us and blah, blah, blah, and watch you know in real time, and you could see that he didn't have the gap as soon as I think U U whoever it was it was the traffic. I think it was Piastri And as soon as he pitted U then George had the gap to pit back into. so he pitted straight away So it's a game of cat and mouse, but As Otmar said, if you'd have been in front with the degradation that he had in the car pace I think you would have want a qu quest. I think you would want it. And I don't know because I don't have all the dark web data that you have. But I think J just from a macro perspective, because Ferari three stopped it Maybe they have higher egg and they need to three stop it. They did You know what I mean? So did they get It was that crap strategy or the only strategy because of tiedgg just briefly Well, I don't know a combination of the two. Yeah it is probably the latter, but Be they make so many mistakes, you can also say craps. So so the so he did have some so so Louis did have some degradation at the end of that first stint. Um, But that's because he was like battling really hard with Max, right? So Max was like fighting really hard. And then I think Lewis' tyres went off and he pitted And at that point, he was the first to pet, right? Yeah,. Yeah pitted very early And at that point, It's kind of like They didn't need they didn't need to be locked in They could have done two longer stints. They didn't need to be locked into that that three stop U So Golden unless of course you have really high dg, right, then you're locked in But the deig was like the deig was a little bit higher. Not a lot. in the in the after that, but it wasn't like crazy Um, so Gordon Um 'm the chief physicist in my business who writes all of these who does all the race strategy He' the clever one. he's the clever one. Yeahah, yeah. he's got YouTube. Yeah, yeah. he's got YouTube. He described it as this He said It's late When you're in a bar Th you try a chat up line and you get lucky with it And then you keep trying it. like the rest of the night doesn't work So they kind of did something and then they just kept doing it go Isn't it like the Nash equilibrium Yes, it is J Joh Nash. She figured that out in the B There you Yeah Princeton because you wanted to chat up the Best looking girl and then he thought, I got no chance, but the second best looking girl I got a chance. And then suddenly the Nash equilibrium, he won a Nobel Prize. That is New York I me No it's in the movie. Yeah, yeah. Well it must really of mind. Yeah Is that right We got to make a point before we jumped in and started talking about Ferrari H I love you te shht there, by the way, talking about strategy. Thank you I bought this for a couple of team owners that I work for Naming no names. And if you're listening, it is a t shirt that says You're right. Let's do it the dumbest way possible I think plenty of people that have pled t that. It great It's a great t shirt. So a few years ago, I got to tell the story because it's Austria I was picked up, We're staying in place called Leobin They're late on a Thursday nearly midnight in groths was like ten thirty at night Frooggy, Do you know, Fogg Yeah, yeah, Foggy picks me up Tucky, great guy. in the sport forever Eually Jordan with me? Yeah. We're driving, we're getting close to Layoben And this was at a time where we had median sponsorship, so Suto was driving for us because Suto was sponsored by Median. What was Mian? Median was a or still is, a German laptop or PC company that also had other electronics and I think it was bought by Lenovo. Ohah. But some of the electronics they had, so this goes way back was do you remember the Tom Tom before we had Waze and Google Maps and all that? Yeah when they got wiped out overnight by Google Maps just had just one app update, rememoved Tom Tom Tom Tom. So there was a Tom Tom like thing by Median. but it wasn't quite as good and it was I think a translation from German into English and So he's got the time time going and there's this English voice that's with a German accent telling them where to go. And a woman and we get close to Leobin and it's like, in three hundred meters take The second exit to your massage barler Tom Tom It's more out of the media And I could see Foggy thinking I can't believe she just said this and then started playing with the with the median thing that was Stuck on the windscreen by him, you know, with a suction cup. Yeah So I pretended I didn't hear it. So this one. We go through the We go through the the u the roundabout And it's in five hundred meters, make a right turn T your massage parlor Thank you So now I can't ignore it anymore. I like foggy Where you been going? he says. She does tell porkies.body. Like the thing's lying or something. She does tell porkies. And he turned it off. And how was the massage pilot I didn't go. It was foggies You didn't go, No, quQite right. We're going to talk very briefly about marginal gains. I mean, it gets spoken a lot about when people discussed Formula One. wasas it really That important? wasas it all that? Formula One invented marginal gains as Formula One became more professional The gains became smaller and smaller. You know, we would put parts on the car that are worth one, two milliseconds. Everybody knows there is no magic bullet in formula one. It's all about marginal gains. 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If you want to try it like I have, like these guys are, then go to eight sleep d. com forward slash racing or use the code racing at the checkout for up to three hundred and fifty pounds off. That was they they were the good old days When we didn't have Google maps and Apple maps and all the rest of it, right? You used to get lost on the way from the airport to the You can buy a map Yeah So frequently used when I was at Ferrari, I used to always make sure that I had my car And I used to follow Because the most dodgy part is getting out the airport, right left or right and like where are you going to go in whatever country you're in? So I used to follow a good mate of mine, He used to be Rubens's engineer, a guy called Gabrielle Di Colli. He used to have his car and I'd follow him And if you got to the end of the road and went right go I'd go the opposite direction. becauseew he was the time wrong. O of is said wrong. I was once in the car with him. this is not quite Austri but. but reasonably close We were once in the car And we landed, I cant remember And we're going to Nurberurg Ring And I fell asleep And I woke up and Ied through him I looked at the sign. And it was circuit off to the right. I said, How long have' been in Sleep Gallery? And he went two hours I enough Okay where's the Grand Prix this weekend Good night Crome freeze in Nburgy. betteret fucking turn aroundound four oours away Honestly. Yeah. it's the wrong wayace. We're in Hockenheim. I woke up and saw the sign Hockenheim ring this way. Well I'm not gonna get dinner It happened to Roland. The fellow who who erects the motor homeome for us And to erect the motor homeome, you've got to rent a massive crane because it comes on like twenty two to twenty four lorries and they're all pods that you then put together. You take them off and to take them off, the lorry needed a crane. Which team is this Al teams, but he he Iia He worked for me at Force India and now he still does it for Aon. But same thing he ordered a crane for Emila The race was at Monza But he was at Munza. right? So he's talking to the crane guy because he went early. You know, the crane's gott to be there on a Mondayrect. are Yeah, where are you? He said, I'm here, Wh, near the entrance. I'm near the entrance, where? It took him a half hour to figure out that he's at Munza and the crane's at Imola. Oh my ear Host stag do. I went to Brighton and arranged a whole day of paintball and Ga. All the things that you do on a clicheade stag do, right Get one up in the morning, have breakfast Come on, I've got to get on the coach standing there on the roadside, waiting for the coach, waiting for the coach, waiting for the coach W you order too I'm like G go carting is like In half an hour, we're going to get there. I ring the coach company. I said, haveave you got a booking? I said, Yeah I said, Okaykay, for Jake Confrey, I said, Yeah I said from Brighton to the Go Gart center. they said, Yeah yeah, I got that I said, well where is the coach And they said, Oh, well it's booked for the eleventh of August. I booked it for the wedding day. So rang my wife who was a production manager, worked in Telly. I said, I need a coach in Brighton in half an hour. She did it. Did she did it? Harriet delivered. Great. Eag go. Great. We made it to go Garting And you didn't did you use the one that you had booked on your wedding day Lets go go go Sorry H.ight, I want to talk about Max Verstappen. I mean, all the talk this week is Max Verstappen and McLaren. So if you haven't been across this, I'm sure everyone listen to this, knows this by now The story or the reports are that it was Max's management that reached out to McLaren. Obviously, Zach Brown's job is to meet anyone that wants to meet him and might be a multiple world champions. so they had that meeting It's more intriguing though, the more you think about this story Because there is a clause apparently in Max's contract that if he's not in the top two in the driververss Championship He's free to speak to other teams. I mean, he's not going to be in the top two by the summer break, right? fak to leave. just speak to the team. I don't know free to. And then apparently also doesn't have to tell the team until October which is an interesting one, evenven if he's made a decision to go, I mean, it would just leak out anyway But we were looking Katherine works on the podcast was looking at the drivers out of contract. Like fifteen drivers could be out of contract at the end of this season. So you could have some movement. It could be the start of a really interesting time. So we'll talk about what might happen this winter But let's just talk about the sort of every time Max talks to anyone it makes into the papers Is this just games? Is this like a genuine attempt for him and his team to go to McLaren? what do we think? So here's what I think Say you're right and that clause exists, which I believe it does Why wouldn't you talk to people? And now's the time Now's the time Talking doesn't mean you're going to do anything It's just, you got to weigh up your options. You need good information to make a good decision. And as far as McLaren goes I mean, what they won the championship two times in a row. I mean, they don't look as stellar this year. U, however Pedramo's there the reed bowl Rob Marshall Marshall from Red Bull. Y. U GP Is going Yeah. Who's Max's race engineer's Yeah and they, you know, they get on well. He's going I don't know who else is there from Red Bull, but Ls of people. Yeah. So and those who like they all would talk, right? They'd all be still talking to Max, I guess, or he would pick up the phone and ask some questions. Well they would say, how good is it? What are you going to do in the future? and they're going to tell them And now I hear petalsles is leaving. I didn't see him all weekend. I don't think he's going to McLaren, but Yeah Where did you know he's going? I heard Cadillac, but I yeah I wanted to talk to him That's Pete Monahan you're talking about. Yeah He's been a reed buull like forever Paul Monahan, Pete's brother. Sorry He's been there forever, thenough? a long time. Well, so left start leftft j on its own. Yeah Benneton and then he was Jordan. Oh no That's where he got or maybe not I heard that's where he got the name pedals because he used to always design the pedals Mbe, uh I mean when I first I talked to if I wanted to ever met Aston We're close I remember helelmet Mco went up to him and said You're not gonna to look good and green. Stay here Convincing. Yeah. I wonder if that did it or the Double his wage Probably the green count. Yeah, the defin definitely the green. So that's what I would likein and McLaren What do you think without my theyre gonna they're going to talk to everyone, right? It is there like That's their duty. Yeah as a manager. Exactly. their absolute duty. So they're going to talk I wouldn't not everybody that's an exaggeration, but they're going to talk to all the top teams. Yeah Anden they're going to see what's out there and what the best option is. And you're trying to predict the future. Who's going to be good in the future? That's what you're trying to do. N who's good today. Yeah, which is which is fraught with difficulty, you know We've got plenty of world champions who've gone too The wrong team and then careers took a downward turn, right? So Max needs to be in he doesn't like I believe Max doesn't need to be in the best car he needs to be in a good car a competitive car where he can win where he can win. It was only last year everyone was saying he's going to replace Lewis. Yep. remember all that? Yeah, yeah yeah. So there now Lewis has a resurgence, all that talks out. Yeah. This could start a real game of dominoes though, because the to drivers out of contract We think it's Kimyaninell, George Russell Ferand V Alonsoo, Lance Stroll, Alex Alban, Carlter Signs Isaac Kajah I mean and others. Leclur, Hamilton,oris, Piastri are the ones with contracts going forwards So it's interesting becausecause both the McLlan drivers are under contract, I think, after this season. So that something would have to happen there, but obviously it can I mean, I don't know, man. Isn't the most likely scenario there with the driver's out of contract Mercedes which has been the rumor for a long time. Yeah. I I think I don't know, didnidn't hear anything specific about this McLaren thing. I didn't hear any I read about it. I didn't hear anything specific It feels like a bit of a feels like people have L like we said, he will be talking to all of the top teams he has to. But then H Race engineer and longtim mate Jampierro Lambiazz is going there in Wednesday Piga Rck up in McLaren twenty eight. I think so. I think it's due all next year in Red Bull So then it kind of like gains a bit of You know, two and two Yeah two and two equals five. Yeah. pllus then you look at it and you say,, you know, but I'm sure you knew Rob Marshall and he's there and all of that. Yeah All that. And then if you're a journalist, you think there's some logic to it Yeah. And if that's true, let me break the story. And then it's out there I think Zach was asked. about it We're on the grid He said basically, our two drivers are contracted. We're happy with them. We got a great driver line up You know, but if u One of them were to get out of the bath and slip on a Banana peel We would be silly not to talk to Max How many what he said? Yeah, how many people eat bananas in the bathroom . Obviously Zach Brown. I saw also I'm sure you did say that. I'm sure. If you got out of the bath ands happened to slip on a banana peel. myself Maybe just has a messy house that leaves banana skins and fruit peelings around now. Also, I think it's actually a myth that banana skins are that slipper. I've stood on a couple and they haven't I haven't When you got out of the bath, you're aw. No, I was in the beach and I had dry feet and feet fully closed. Yeah. with chew. You ha' done No, you haven't done the experiment, right?'t done the brown experiment How about this one then I've got a nice stat for you too forty six point deficit to Louis Hamilton. Double Chaul Leclerc's largest points deficit to his teammate in his F one career so far We can talk about what' happening with Charl Llare in a second if you want because it was another disappointing weekend for him. C me on're allifying so much Kimmy Antonlli Italian driver Leaving the worldor Championship World Champion this season. out of contract Mercedes at the end of the season, we believe Ferrari Why wouldn't Ferrari go and get him when they can get him? Like now iss the moment Be his manager also owns a third of Mercedes is to to his manager By Good ass Well, you brought him up So yes, then, don't know. So look I mean it's good to Yeah, but like you twobe' been around the block long enough. What if what if you sell c G me to Ferrari and put Max in You got Mac Yeah, But that's exactly it, right? So Toto would would want to do that, wouldn't he? You wouldd want to say, I've got a better option. That's the only way that one of those two drivers are out of contract or Kimmy's out of contract that he manages or George that he manages, right So he's going to Like. You go to Fred and say, Fred I'll sell you kimmy give me enough money where Max is now free or Max and George Arey So it's got to make sense. The only way that Either of those two drivers, I think the only way that either of the two Mercedes drivers would end up anywhere else G Toto holds all the cards here. he gives them their contract plus he also looks for other opportunities for them So the only way is if he has a better option And the only better option, guaranteed better option right now and the two that he's gone. Guaranteed So we also know that he does that because he spoke to Max last season And there was a long conversation, which and he made it clear He made it clear that he wants Max. Yeah No Timmy has Kimmy's in his second year Kimmy is doing what he should do with a natural talent leg L what he's got which is he's having a better second year It's changed probably Toto's mindset a little bit on Kimmy U that you know, he was right all along and he is the real deal Um So I think that you let Kim me go for three years? haveave a call option to get him back C you tell us how those contracts would work actually? L you would have done a lot of driver contracts over the years, right? Yeah, you can do all sorts of stuff.re allowed ' in football, you know, I'd tap a playerub right? If a player is under contract at Man City or manan United, you can't just call them. Is it like that in F one? No, you don't have those rules. I mean, there's general law that says you can't induce a breach of contract. But you're not talking about a breach. you're talking about when he's out of contract. So it's not a breach. Yeah So yeah, talk all you want There this isn't football. So you choose who you want to talk to, you have a conversation with them and it gets to the point of Do a deal to a deal What sort of deal would have appeal to you as the boss of an F one team. How would you like to structure those So I would always have at least two years and generally not three Well because it's hard to predict the future. And you don't know in a couple of years if there's a better driver available, especially the teams I manage We're always in the midfield. Um, you know, fourth Ish you know, always in that region. So not a top three team So we tryed to get the two best drivers we could And if you if you, um, contract them for too long of a period and somebody else appears that's app peeling, your're stuck.. So I always had a two plus one and the plus one was always on my side. On your side to decide if you want to keep them for another year Eactly to see who's available who's coming up Who's quick and When it comes to the financials, how often were the drivers that you were employing? having to bring money to the team for their seat. So We had a philosophy at Force India u where we didn't have all the money in the world. that we always wanted to get the best drivers we could. independent of the money that they brought And I remember when we signed Sergio, Um There was Moldanado available with forty million. Yeah And Bob Ferny really wanted Moldonado because of the money And you could do a lot with that. I mean, our development budget was small There's such a big lift to the team when you get the best drivers that you can, right? That's sometimes more valuable than an extra twenty thirty million. And how much did S Jr Sergio brought at the time aroundround ten That sponsorship that he had from Claro and Tal Sal and you know what I mean? C. So a lot less But Sergio at that time when we hired him and I really pushed for Sergio and Bob wanted Moldonado. luckily, I won out But Sergio was given Button a hard time at McLaren the year before we signed him, especially the second half of the year He was as quick as button. and button was you know, just Past his worldorld championship. Yeah So was no slouch And Sergio was up there with him So I remember pushing VJ, saying VJ, we need to get So I thought VigJ would have gone to look forty million quid.'s yeah, but that helps me run this team. ViJ at the time. didn't look at it that way evenven though we were starved of money And we went with Sergio and I think that was, I mean, it's never a controlled experiment, but I think I'm one hundred percent sure that was right. I am one hundred percent behind you. The midfield teams I worked in. I think when you go for money, It's a total false economy It never ever works, right? Why because What you just said up, Mark When you when you get the best drivers that you can get, even at the deficit. the whole teams find you. Oh ye, exactly. they all get you behind you on that decision. If you say, well, you can have some like I'll give you some mi yoga but I've got another net net twenty million or whatever Mike It's just a false economy. You never turn that twenty million do into performance. And there are some people at the team that don't give a crap about that extra twenty million do. Yeah yeah. rightight. So you got your seniors that understand it And, you know, they a at annamesis and everything. that's pushing even race engineers. Yeah The whole thing. But because because because most of the people are in the team Don't really get what you could do with that twenty million And then they see that you're asking them to push ten ths. You're asking everybody in the team to give one hundred and ten percent all the time rightight? And then but the world like driving. Yeah That the whole world sees But the whole world sees and has to deliver for two hours pretty much on their own, right ninety percent of what goes on on the track on a Sunday afternoon for those two hours is pretty much the driver. There's ten percent of the team backing them up, right? But they have to deliver whatever's been given to them And then so you ask the team to give one hundred and ten percent But when it comes to that, the really important bitat You don't have best of the best, doesn't work. Everybody just loses faith. It's like kind of saying, well, I can get myself Like a team princippleal or a chief engineer or a chief designer And, you know, right they're not very talented. They're not going to like make his a vas car or do his good deals or like engineer like the car very well But they're going to bring like an extra couple of million quid. Yeah or create a racing culture that you need. Yeah. but he comes with a bit of sponsorship money. Yeah, It doesn't work And did you ever make the mistake of going after money in drivers The trick was to get a guy like Sergio that actually also came with a bit of money. Yeah. But that was would a return from the money? Like wouldould he bring you ten and you said, well, you keep two for yourself or or say brouff and we say you keep four for yourself. Right. So they you do. They kind of pay themselves out of their own sponsorship money. So it doesn't name there's no wages to go out either really. I remember Est about Okon. We paid him nothing the first year. U and Toto was really pushing me to take Verline. Yeah, yeah I been really pushing me. probablyroably because he thought Verlin was good. He was German he couldn't cut his teeth through Forest India and we tested both of them and Estean was quicker He A and B, he listened and see He listened to us and made the changes to improve. So we thought that's what we wanted. Yeah. And I hired Estubon for nothing And he brought no money brought no money, but because he brought no money, he got nothing And he came into my office and he said, I can't remember what other rookie came in at the time He said whoever it was, is earning twice what I'm earning Mark I just feel like you're not paying me enough I had no money. We had no money I said Estaban You're right Yeah, you're right. You're right. haven't good it. No, and I paid him more. I figured out how to pay him more. Did you? Yeah Fair play. I paid him more. Good on you. M, this is the guy who paid the wages of all the staff and money. He was only paying him twenty five grand a year. I doubled it to fifty. What were you paying? When you say nothing? likeike what is nothing in F one terms? I don't know if I should say, but I think that contract is coming and gone. It was under a million Would anyone be only that that on the guy on there And he wanted more money. He wanted to He wanted to get up to and this was the second second year, right? So you wanted to get up to the rookie level. I said, tellell me how much that is and I figured out how to do it and I did it for him. And I think when you do that kind of stuff They just push I mean, they push hard anyway. I think you would just from him exactly. And if that if a million Gid makes the difference between everything not quite and I think not wearing the right driver There's something subconscious that happens to the team. Everyonees anyway. It's just some subconscious that you don't control where you're just not Yeah at one hundred percent. You're at ninety eight and and you can't control it, right? Because even like if you stand up as team principal and start to like, you know Like I'm sure you used to give like a Monday morning. talk to the factory or whatever. Yeah I used to our talks were E three races. Okay And we used to do lazy No. efficient No, I think it's right actually, because if you do it if you do it, if you do it every repetitive. Well, if you do it every race, remember You get We st have four hundred people. It's a thousand now So you get a thousand people that leave their desk ten minutes to get in the right spot to listen You got thirty minutes of talking Another ten minutes to go back. It's an hour thousand hours a thousand hours you lose every week. Yeah. If you do it every third race, You lose a thousand hours every three weeks. E four whatever. Thd grade. four or five weeks, right? notot after every race. And that's the reason I did it And then we'd have a Backwards look at the last three races Tell everyone the upgrades that are coming. and what they can anticipate for the next three and I used to always say because I'd have the chief engineer talk And I would talk. Yeah. And so the chief engineer would have the backwards look. The technical director of Chief technical Officer would have the forward vision And then I would say a few words. and just to keep everyone motivated. And I used to always tell them make sure we tell the factory what they don't already know. Yeah. because if you tell them what they already know what they saw on TV It's a waste of their time. Yeah cool So that's how I used to do it. And I think it worked well. So I used to do pretty much we used to do pretty much the same thing and I used to give backward look and Um What I was going to the point I wanted to make is You can stand up in front of people, right You know, your thousand women and men and you can motivate, you know, you can you can use a lot of words to motivate them, right? Tell them some they don't know. because that was the other thing that I learn from Ross brawn in those speeches is There's a lot of privileged information that you can pass there and you get people to feel part of it. Yeah. But if if if you're trying to motivate them with words, but your actions are I've actually employed some fairly mediocre people over here. pedal of the car then actually the words that you're saying don't match up to how you're trying to motivate them. So you're right, there's a subconscious. there's just something that they're kind of they're listening and they feel part of it and they feel great, but they're probably looking and thinking Yeah, but why have we got like mediocrity in like parts of the business when we shouldn't have it And they just, you know, people, it is a subconscious thing. They don't think I'm not going to try as hard They just don't I used to think when I was up there You know, most of these people are smarter than I am. They're better at the jobs that I am. They know more about racing than I do So you really got to work at telling them something that they don't know That's what we used to do. And I think they enjoyed it. They enjoyed those business. Business can learn so much from how sports teams run themselves, you know So like here they should probably use a good example. Maybe hire me for. Yeah, maybe a talk or two. Oh, are you for hire up Ma? Are you Well, we should start doing partnerships now but. Yeah let's do that. because one and one makes f I recckon in terms of like Well we can charge. Well One plus one plus one Yeah, ten. Do it Or Double digits. Is six or ten?ever higher. I remember when we first did a Gnd pretty my first ever race two thousand nine in Australia and we We had our debrief the next morning, the race the morning of the race, we looked at what happened in qualifying. And television is very like is soft compared to the world that you're from You know, it everyone just wants to make everyone else happy and you don't want to pee anyone off and it's all very nice, nice And so we did a review of the Saturday And our brilliant producer at the time was like called Mark Wilks. Do you remember Mark Wilkin? Yeah rememberilk Do You remember? he was a big fan of yours. You must remember like really well spoken tall guy. Yeah, tall guy and he was the he was the producer BBC coverage when it was James Hntter and Murray Walk And he came back to the BBC to produce our coverage. He was in there when He used to have to stop them from fighting each other Let's letgesree stuff. Yeah, like You know, James Hunt would like being in there with his feet up on the desk and Murray' being all professional. Mark would happen to be like a separator when it all kicked off. I remember one time, haveave you ever seen a bit of commentary when they were talking about a French driver, LaRouse or something And he was Murray was doing his like really professional job going. and he tells me that the reason why that car's slow at the moment is because the turbo isn't giving the power he expected here at Monaco and James Hunt takes had one microphone and they used have to share one microphone So they'd all get annoyed if the other one was hogging it, which is what Mark was there for So Murray Walker says all this about this French driver and then James Hunt just takes the mic. Bearing in mind, this is like in the nineteen eighties and goes Well, I'd say to that, Muri Bull shit corner live on the PVC. It's like, yes. I it doesn't happen that. But no, we did our like debrief after the two thousand nine Australian qualifying show Marka told us everything that was great as you do in television And David Cultha just went guys I'd never ever want to have a meeting like this. ever again. and everyone was like This is our first weekend working with Did. we were like, whoa. and he goes, listen We want to be as you all from your world alike. He's like we will to be the very, very best. best coverage on the best channel in the world. There's no benefit to any of us If you're going to sit and tell me what was good Tell me everything that was bad. Tell me where we got it wrong. Tell me where we slipped up, tellell me where we faaltered, tellell me where we were below par That's the information I need to be better at windy And you know what? it was fasc was got coverage. He got that from how you run for me on team. abbsolutely came directly from F one. We would have after every grumpery and it still happens today, a false meeting. Yeah You have a faalse list Every fault went on there. everyvery fault, not just mechanical errors or engineering, every fault went on there We have to remember to praise as well though You do It somet got but not in that meeting. The points do though Not in that meeting prraise at the end. right? That meeting is a false meeting. You talk about faults. you talk about fixes, immediate fixes and then you talk about root cause fixes And it stays on there until you fix the root cause And I'm sure that's where Cooltar got that from. Yeah. And you need to do it. I think I think you just got to be like absolutely right, like it the same in all the teams I work for. You just got to you just hyper crritical. I think I think it's a it's a it's a mindset. I always get told now. that exactly to your point there say, o, you don't celebrate wins. And I think in the outside world Right? outside outside of outside of Formul one. Like everybody's, you know, it's on a back slap and' like, we did this great. And I think in Formul one, you just, you just don't care. Like you just want to it's continuous improvement. like let's look at that off L not to be like, you know, you don't want to Batter everyone on a Monday after the race But everybody's kind of like they're just motivated by the result of the race.. You don't need to motivate them. And then you just didn, okay, but what did we do bad and what can we fix? And you're right, like mechanical faults or whatever they are, like car faults and then operational faults. There's operational faults We put everything on now. Yeah. Three minutes late for a meeting or Like, What feels like tiny pinickety stuff But when you're trying to attain Absolute excellence which your forormul onene team is, you have to look in that level of deed and I'll be that with the marketing stuff You put a sponsor on the on the shirt that was beer sponsor or alcohol sponsor at a race where you couldn't have alcohol sponsorship. and then you got a piece of black tape that looks horrible. Yeah. You know, those things went on the fault list I remember VJ once getting us together when our reliability was not what it should be And we had horrible reliability one year. And he came into the faults meeting and said Let's all come back tomorrow after we've had an introspective view on how we can do things better And I will do the same And I want to have the same meaning tomorrow notot going through the faults from a big picture perspective, how we can do things differently So We don't have the reliability issues that we have And that was VJ's way of us if that's the right thing. I know I'm American. but it was such a ellequent way to do it. and he included himself in the process which is K You'll managing Alen Mallay said You know who he is was CEO of Boeing and then CEO of Ford And a good friend of mine, Raj Nair, who is Chief teechnical Officer at Ford is now the CEO of singer. Singer Car is a fancy porsche.. He used to work for Allland and he told me All in a while he would say things If you have a problem, The first thing you got to do is face it Second you realize you have the problem it was. Do not Pcrastate right? Yeah. number one And number two, advice your team. Always a solution Never the problem. Yeah. I love that. That's empowering But it's true. Yeah yeah. So you as a CEO team principal or whatever, going are you going fix that? No, you can't do it. Y team has to. he must. And now Are you going to buulook them And then ask them to fix a problem. Yeah. Or are you going to say, you guys have the solution. Yeah. And that's the reason I'm telling you this, that's what BJ did I need some of that at Cadillac at the moment. I think if you take any successful team, they work on that. They work on that. I normally do. work on that basis. We worked on it in Ferrari. You know, even though there was a lot of pressure from you know high high up in the let's call it the family, the organization or whatever. we just never got that He's allowed to get on with it. and every Monday morning Nine o'clock. regardless of where we've been We would sit around the big leather table in Salaess Ross at the top of the table with Jean next to him And all of the let's call them like the chief engineers. And we would just sit aroundound and go through all of the faults and we would go through the faults list and then we would say, okay Yeah take some great up. Yeah Go fix.' you're the solution. You're not the problem. Love that D I also love is when you talk about Ferrari, You slip into the way that you used to talk when you were at Ferrari, which is like half English, half. do I? Yeahah, yeah E with this with my even even By the way, I think there'll be a lot of love for that sore that for people that are listening to this. Jon, what somebody said to me earlier when I had to look this up, You sound like Burl Ives bades. He was an actor like in the fifties or so thought was like a Lean into the microphone really close and say very slowly in a world where there are no rules One man knows the truth. gone Was that Berry white J's just like a movie trailer. let's hear it What is it in a world where there are no rules There's no truth. In a world where there are no Rules. One man knows the truth S' coming so in a theater near you. But Parl and Dan advert d d So that was something It was actually gener very sex wasas it? Yeah didid you like it? Yeah, that worked for me. I was reading a book I got a finished called surrounded by ? No, No, that's for you guys. No, this is for something else Um, Never split the difference. A veryery good book Have you read it Yeah, we've had the author has been on high performance show off. Christopos makes for Christopos probably what's up him now if I wanted. There's a bit in there where he says that You've got to use the late night radio voice when you're when go go to terrorists. Do you remember? Yeah yeah yeah. So that's what that reminds me of. So you could when you negotiating with a terrorist. He was a hostage negotior. He was a hostage for the FBI. Right. But he teaches you some techniques like mirroring as one and the late night. When you first joined and we were having our negotiations over the commercial rights for, you just literally sent me a picture of the copy of the book never split the difference. Yeah, let's do it Oh I out So the pick just we haven't talked about Austria Yeah, we've talked loads about Austria. we talking about? Is there stuff you want? Be well we spoke about the result and we spoke about was it F flag So we're on pole and F three. all you want to talk about? Get in Vanamm'ault. Well, you know, but like there's all sorts of stuff in Austria Um Alonzso first time ever was lapped by the entire field. We didn't mention that. Did you see what Alonzso said? Was that the first time it ever happened I think he was lacked by the entire field Parison. And he said afterwards there was a qu I found on We are the race. They said, Fernando is surprised by the amount of upgrades and they've given this as a direct quote from him Apparently there is no money to bring upgrades unlimited upgrades like the other teams do. It's surprising to to see the FIA the FIA page on a Friday, every race because maybe they have the money machine in the factory We We should talk about that I don't know if that's a digg at. The other teams are a digg. He told had to dig Feray, didn't he that they were you doesn't know they're bringing so many upgrades So theseese guys M. Aston made a conscious effort and put it out in the media we were not going to bring smallall upgrades. You're going to save all up for one. And now you're saying this Well, you're saving it all up for powerour Or u or u but hungry butast. Yeah, yeah, yeah And in fact, Lance did talk about that in I saw some interview with him earlier in the weekend U where they were talking about the extortion at price of go carts and go cart in for young drivers So F cing? Fat carting League is the solution. It is the solution and I saw Norbert. Hog Vetel. Oh Sad who I love Subbsad. Yeah. he's such a Gen guy So next year we're going to the five hundred together he wants to go with me. How are you? And I told you you should come. Yeah,ah def. And I told him, I'm going to take him to the Alabang as well. And you can come. Unbelievable You got other stuff to do. Yeah, that's true. L high performance this and performance running this show for you and running this show Vetel was telling me when Sebastian started carting A year of whatever cadet carts that he was in was four thousand Deutsche which at the time was like two thousand dollars a year. Yeah. And he says now Same thing is forty thousand a year second Ey Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. And he was saying Just like you. he was saying and because of it get the best how. Of course you don't. Rich gets coming through only, but not when now Fat Carting League is on the scene. Yeah, go and have a look. Fat Carting League.. co d UK. co You'd have no idea to. You have literally no idea where anyone can get information about the carting League that you run. Fat Carting League, YouTube. So let's just talk about this for a moment thenong so was plus three laps. The entire field was plus two laps all over better So you could you could make a case that was the worst weekend for us for us to mart in this season because everyone lap them. Apart from a lots of his lpped by a whole field Where are these upgrades? Why they're not working? How are they still behind Cadillac? What is happening Why they not turn it around? So I don't think they bght upgrades.'s No they didn't still. But strategically they said to the press whichich races have they brought them so far? None, none They said to the press they're going to have a massive upgrade and I heard eighty percent Either spa. It was meant to be spa, but I think they're late. I think it's coming in Hungary. Yeah. new Chassis and eighty percent of all the components are new. So it's a new car We at Force India did this once at Silverstone, we had a B spec car And it did transform the car But our B spec car was because we didn't have the money to pay AP racing for the brakes And therefore we had to use last year's front of the car with this year's back of the car that never saw the tunnel And then suddenly we got a bit of money from some sponsors. We bought the brakes. and had our proper card in Silverstone transformed it. Really? So hopefully they can do the same whole new car including newew Chessis and it's rare. It's very, very rare to have a new tub. Never happens. It's very ra midseason. You have neveroted. Lake. Look at the gap where they are in Qualality. Look where they are. I mean, that's got to be a fucking big upgrade. Yeah. Just to even even feelld even three seconds around Austria gets you to twelfth mayaybe tenth Gs you three seconds gets you Midfield out And here's the other thing, three second upgrade, you got to have good correlation. Even if you have seventy eighty points If it doesn't correlate You don know exactly. They had eighty points in that in their new tunnel did in the water. So like like John Button used to say. Man, I wish we were racing tunnels. Let's talk. Let's talk Silverston. I saw a quote saying that Sebastian Bettle drove the simulator for Silveren laughed out loud. Not because the car was so fast we felt so good because of the impact on the importance of the battery around this circuit Is there an argument or a fear that this is going to be a really bad place for the design of these new engines and actually it doesn't suit Silverstone at all But if it doesn't suit Silverstone, are there other tracks that are coming up spa similar I think anyway, with' like long like high speed corners and was was That's zuooka like Suzuka was u Yeah, they had a lot of like Yeah, they did official overtaking forment, right? But then they had like all the harvesting at the hepin, right? Yeah. So not the hep at the last year Yeah And you don't get that And you don't get that because like so if you take like Silverston Um So you'll do a lot of harvesting into s around turn one, nothing turn two Like five, what is it down onto the Wellington straight You'll deplete the battery down there so you'll harvest the five You won't have as much all the way back around to like old club corner Monza So they're going to have to clip it on the straight. Let's see. I mean, it's what he said. He said Silverston. I love the track, but yeah, I did a few ups on the simulator. I just started laughing It felt like a different track, to be honest. You barely have battery around the lap. It's just constantly flat. So it's going to feel very different compared to what we're used to around Silverston because of the layout of the track. here you have long straights, then big braaking zones So you can charge the battery there, long straight, then a fast corner, for example. So you can't charge the battery So in the next rate, you don't have a lot to spend. It's going to be a really tough one. It could be a I mean I don't know, it might make it a spectacle, but the question is whether it's a spectacle that we want in this sport You know beauty of it is. in a few days, we'll all know. Yeah And right now We don't. We don't have to guess. Let's wait. Shall we enter bullshit corner? And what are the three of us No. Oh There are some people Bam corner that watch this or listen to this and would love to put the three of us in bullsit corner. I'm sure. But like I would say to people when they moan at me about any podcast I do. It's like they're optional. You don't have to listen to this if you don't like it. It's an open prison. You don't say that. We're trying to get listeners Oh yeah Forget all that. Even if you like the show, please listen please listen and subscribe and what else? Like and subscribe. Like and subscribe and say like and subscribe. it really helps to grow the show and we'd really appreciate it. Dra it down that camera. We'd really appreciate it if you would like and subscribe because it does help grow the show And if it grows And then you can turn off if you don't like it because we'll have other people watching and listening I think you've won them over. Yeah Okay. so Tommy Ky twelve said on YouTube. I mean Tommy's been harboring this for a while My bullshit corner is Lewis Hamilton's twenty five second penalty at the two thousand eight Belgian Grand Prix No offense to Rob, but no one remembers Felipee won it. More so everyone remembers the laugh battle, not offended Kimy versus Lewis Epic. Yeah So You know about this far more than any of us. shouldould Louis Hamilton's twenty five second penalty at the two thousand eight Belgian Grand Prix be entered into bullshit corner C had the shit It was fucking ridiculous. Now it's brilliant third b. And I was actually in I would. Well you were going to make a really strong case. No. So I was in Felipe's room And I can't remember what was happening, but we were doing something. and we were getting organised because I think we were going somewhere that next week because it was going into the break, wasn't it And we were doing something and I was with him And then someone come in and said Um, someone I can't remember it was. It might have been Gina or was that who went Anenyw went, you guys have won And it was like , he started going through. and I was like Man it's fucking embarrassing. We were shit. We should not have won this race. takeake a one So are we entering that into bullshit corner? Yeah, massively. Yeah Come on. It's in. Congratulations. Tommy, you have an entry into bullshit corner. twenty five second penalty for Lis Hamton from two thousand eight. Andrew Robertson, six hundred one two says a suggestion for BS he's polite BS corner. Well that's good. Well then Andrew. The fans have been suggesting Lance Stroll doesn't belong in Formula One for a long time now. His teammate disagrees, who we all agree is a legend. so should everyone back off Lance Stroll. So Andrew is recommending for bullshit C corner crriticism. of Lanceroll I was Lance's team principal and I can say when he had a car capable of winning. He won in the junior Fmulas. He won Beet some good people and Lance's criticism was always Give me a car that's capable of winning and I'll show you I can win. So I say Keep lants until they have that car Yeah, and I think also like criticism of Lance U and I know everybody is is more than allowed their opinion But like G walk a few days in his shoes. Yeah R? Like, you know, he was on Poland hung in Turkey with us. Yeah. Okay And he gets a lot good in the rain and he's got a lot of kics since he come into formid. Yeah. you can't be You can't have poor car control and be quick in the rain. He was always in like when so when Uh He was in Formula three And it rained He used was. He used to beat the field by like a minute. Yeah. There was like two three races that season and he used to beat the field by a full minute I think it's definitely over the top and unfair. I think It's also so easy. Like Is isn't it easy to have a go one of the billionaire team own who's up against you know, ask him Fander Alonso in in an Aon Martin I think Maybe at times some of his The way he is sometimes with the media, he hasn't helped himself And you know, like about a year ago I actually was exactly a year ago, just for the British Grand Prix, I went to the Aster Martin Factory and intu it in for one of their sponsors abbsolutely loved the guy. like he was interesting, he was deep, he was a deep thinker and I felt like was I was speaking to him. And I was hearing things that he never gets the opportunity to talk about or to share like a whole side of himself that never gets to come out because of the straight jacket that Formula One applies to these drivers And I said to this again, a great guy guy called Steve who he's close with and he works with. I said, Well, come on high performance You know we came and recorded an episode with us? I didn't know onene of the best conversations I've ever had. And I maintain. Hey, I recorded with you. One of the best. I said one of the best. One ser of you. O of good the best. Okay It was like it was fascinating, it was emotional, it was genuine I honestly think if that episode had ever been released, it would have transformed people's opinions of Lance Droong They would have understood the real person behind uh team and all of the things that have like gone on in his Iel the recovery from that accident that he had when when rem when he crashed off his bike Yeah. And like basically broke all the bones in his wrist to over and then went and rel the conversation was incredible Srutiny was under when he first came in, we spoke about it was so good. For whatever reason there were people on his side that didn't want the episode to go to They watched it and decided that it shouldn't get transmitted, which does happen sometimes You still have it? We still have it. It's the big For me, it's the biggest miss of my time hosting F one, of hosting high performance that episode didn't go to air. M and st Convince him We tried, we tried. Like Liam Lawson the other week, you know, people have People are so hard on Liam Lawson, I think. we put him on high performance He's had hundreds of thousands of views on YouTube and overwhelmingly ninety nine percent people going, God, I didn't realize actually what's involved in getting to the top in formula on YouTu of the sacrifices a lot of these guys make. and they're such easy targets So I personally would absolutely put criticism of Lance Stroll in bullsh in Bullshit corner unless either of you want to. So we've had two strong entries. Two strong entries. Yeah, ye. There go But we are open to not putting things in bullshit corner if your entries aren't good enough. So There wees We're just about out of time for today's show. We Do you feel that we have done enough In terms of the technical data from the Austrian Grand Prix I still feel like people would have tuned in thinking I want to know something that Rob knows that I don't know, but I'm about to know because Rob's about to tell me I mean, weve we've been through it already. I think we think we've given a good appraisal of what happened in the race and who was fast where they were and like because everybody's always like, A, Kimmy could have been on Pul, notot true. He pitted. he was already too tense to behind. George George was fastest. George was pretty fast all through the race Maybe actually something that we haven't talked about is Kimi was slightly faster through the race. W he a little bit? Yeah, he was. but that's interesting. He was a lot of people thinking that George was faster than him during the race. No, no, no, he caught up. Kimmy pitted one lap later, you w would have won that race? You reckon. Yeah, yeah What a good ide to the safety car came out, or virtual safety c came out. He would have said what the Pit loss there is around eighteen to twenty seconds depending how quick you're And what do you say? I'll get frustrated with those about Those things frustrate me What's that when we say if the safety car come out of a lap later or they pit Like there was what was it? there was someone in this race who in Austria where the timing was like really unfortunate. It was very close to to the VSC Kimy. Was it Kiby? Yeah. But I'm like if that happens five laps later, we wouldn't say oh, if only that happened. No, no, but it could only happened so close on a Stay out, stay out T timee for Dad Jokes. I got a dead story Amazing. give you some time to Think of one. give you about fifteen minutes judging my Omar story. so youloads. I did read some people, not all, say, o, they're too short, only fifty one minutes So I got a really long ave you got a long one up ask story Thanks for asking you, Rph childish. So before I left for Austria Rebecca's in Cornwall Sat I go do the shop and I went to Marks and Spencer's late And have you ever been to you been? I mean, live right there. Yeah,. You go late and it like the shelves are empty and u They're restocking. At the end, they restock. all the cheap stuff as well. I har the yellow labels. So I'm looking for organic pears for my smoothie because you know, now I'm trying to Yeahah and buring. They need to be organic Well, the pears I like to be organic, the other stuff, I actually take vinegar and I wash them in one third vinegar, two thirds water and it gets rid of the pesticides apparently What Oh, the bries. so I don't buy organic berries, but the pears because the The difference in price isn't very much on the pears. Love it Anyway, so there's a guy up on a ladder stackking in ne grapes not then taste of vinegar I don't eat grap Well the stuff that you the berries the beres that you wash So you wash them in vinegar and then and then you you let the water run for a while And you put them in a smoothie anyway, so Anyway, so he's putting new apples up and This lady came up and said, excuse me. I can't find the broccoli Can you tell me where the broccoli is? And he said, Ma'am, if you can't find the broccoli, it's probably because we're out. and come back tomorrow and I'm sure we'll have some. So he's almost done with the apples and'm I overheard it and I'm looking at the berries and the dates like I do so they last and She came back said, excuse me Can you please pinpoint where the broccoli is because I can't seem to find it. And he said, Madam You can't find it. It doesnn't help that I pinpoint it because we don't have any. Come back tomorrow. I'm putting this stuff up now and the store's almost closing So I get all my stuff I'm in the basket and I'm about to walk out and she came back again. He said, she said to him Excuse me, please can you come off your ladder? and walk me to the broccoli Dell he was frustrated. So he said madam do me a fav. Anything said spell cat for me like in catastrophic So should CAT. It's a good fell dog for me and dogmatic TOG He said good Now spell for me like in broccoli. And she said There is no fucking broccoli. That's what I've been trying to tell you U the other day I was walking along and Someone threw some cheese at me Not a banana skin And I thought to myself That's not very mature A few moments later They threw some milk over my head. And I thought How dary I love it Yeah veryer good. So we talked we've already talked about My dog ammber that I got from the Blacksmith, right? Yes We made a bolat for the door. Yeah. When Claire was set. and I said, and I got home from the blacksmith. and she made a bolt for the door. and Claire went, Oh, really?. No Claire, that's the fucking joke By the way, there was so much love for Claire in that chair. There was two got qu got to fill some big shoes now Yeah yeah 'cause she' it yeah. She's about a size size ten shoot s size eleven sh. That might be one of our most pularular episode at this point on YouTube S again. Anyway, so going back to Amber So ye, I got to from the blacksmith. She made a boolat for the door. But she's a bit of a tearway. She's very quiited She you like a guard dog And Please come around the other night up, I was in my pajamas, rehearsing for the show I was kind of, you know, at the kitchen table doing all the rehearsing fish going through my lives. As we know, we're an unplanned, unscripted makeup free. Yeah Yeah o up ten minutes before. Yeah And anyways please knocked on the door And they said U I'm ever sorry s to disturb me at this time of night. But your dog's just been chasing boy on a bike And I said But I know my doke She can't ride a bike Very good. I like that one. Dad jokes are great, aren't? That's Joke'sg Sergio, Perez lives in Guadaljara And uh He woke up one night Sfe and he confronted him. No way? stealing cheese out of the refrigerator You know what he said? It's nacho cheese You've got so many. All right, we're done We are done for today's show. Mind you sad news. have you seen the news C news actually, the man who invented the auto text has passed away Yeah. Oh no. Yeahah His funund affair be held next Sunday at two PM And on that note, we come to the end of today's episode of High Performance Racing. Thank you very much. If you stayed till the end, I mean that is quite an achievement if anyone is well done You must really have nothing better than. We really enjoy this show. We love it. It can only stay though if you continue to subscribe and like and share it and tell your friends and leave comments and all the other things to help us to grow the show because we really enjoy it. Do we enjoy it? Yeah. ye. and it's grown by word of mouth, so please help. It's true. No marketing spend. No because we don't have any. No social media spend. No chairs. No new chairs. No new chairs. No new set. No No makeup artist. no fee. No fashion What else what did what did the fellow say at the start? We're scruffy un prerepared. He said makeake upp. I love how you rock up with no plan, no script, no stylist, no makeup and just go for it this. Hapazard, no style. pol No style. Everything about it shouldn't work and maybe it hasn't. And on that note, thank you very much for joining us for this week's Performance, Racing Do we all have to say racing? I thought yes. you said racing I think we could all say it. It's better if we all say it. All right So we don't forget racing. No no We're editor in no all no Race racing Racing. He didn't know it was on three though I didn't know because sometimes it's three and then it's the gap after. I'll put my if I put that down there, you'll know that was that moment no one at home will ever know, Ready Racing. Oh I got. give us a bit of a fucking cue that you need to do Racing Big news, people. We are going to be lot we're going to be recording our first ever high performance rating live. at Silverston Sunday night. Sunday night six PM. Bring your umbrellas Six PM. What's wrong with? I don't know. What timees of the race finish? Probably. Probably about four That's two hours of hanging around Okay, so Otmar and I are doing the first ever episode of highigh pererformance racing. Come and watch the show six PM Sunday evening after the Britch Grande without Mar and Jake. Beuse Rob can't be fucked hanging around for two hours two hours. He loves the show that much Racing. That's a big hand. Where are I going gonna do it We've got a we've no, we've got our own podcast studio Portable. Yeah. It's all been worked out. It's going to be amazing Wh's done all this legitate of you doing this one? Well Have you The wind beneath our wings. We will see you there. Thanks for watching this episode of High pererformance Racing