Addressing Islamophobia and Future Coverage

Y yoa Wriors. What is up Hello is on is Zi Van Lan Juni. And it's me Rachelanne Lindseay. Before we get into the show, I wan to ask you a question. Is hip hop fun anymore? I'm gonna assume that you're basing this off of. The Drake conversation I think, okay, so It can be yes But when we litigated it, which we were totally expecting to do, the moment Ice Man came out, we knew we were gonna do this. It takes the fun out of it. You can't just enjoy the music to enjoy it, but also argue that dropping three albums at one time does not make me want to sit back and enjoy the music. It feels like a task. It's too much Sensory O overload. But yeah, like Okay, I'm assuming your answer is no. Well when is the last time you enjoyed hip hop I thought that the beef was fun Beef was fine. Be for his fun Guess what I'm saying is felt like fun at the time But I don't know if it was fun There's something different. then fun when mess is involved It might have been thrilling. Oh, good work. Might have been exciting, but I don't know if fun. Fun used to be like I don't know, Fun was when shit dropped in the twenty ten s when it dropped. Everybody was having fuck. Like when rememember when Fifty and Kanye went against each other? F. That was a fun That was a fun thing. Sicko mode was fun that like that on my t Being everywhere, everybody going crazy, everyone coming together, loving a record, sicko moe was fun. Like Damn was fun, like But the beef was fun. And I'll tell you. I don't know if the beef was fun in fun. I mean I was gonna say and I'll tell you why. I remember being out and about when a new song would drop And the way people would react, I remember I was at somebody's birthday party and we were at a house and it was like Oh my God, he just Kendrick just dropped euphoria And the way people were rushing to turn on the TV and everybody gathered around to just listen, that was fun That was fun And then it was like, will Drake respond? won't he? dissecting everything? like the anniversary of the beef was a few weeks ago. And I kept seeing on social media that all these compilations of people reacting to hearing not like us for the first time And it made me feel again what I felt like two years ago. It was the excitement of oh my gosh, she came out with this so quickly. Oh my gosh, she said this. o my gosh,, it was there and I'll end the pop out. which I am still will always give you credit. Thank you, Van for getting me and Kalika tickets without hesitation. And that was a moment that I will always cherish. And that excitement, there was excitement surrounding that too. So all right I wish I had better words sometimes So I get what you're saying There was a lot of energy There was a lot of excitement They were allowed fine. I guess what I'm talking about when I'm saying fun is this good feeling the music somehow is providing This sonic catharsis. that we are all together in enjoyment of And There used to be feeles like hip hop used to have that more so. does now It feels like now just like everything else Our fun is in the fight Hm And it seems like before our fun used to be in the celebration that this music, the purpose of this music, there's always been competition in hip hop. always been competition. I think the fact that there's so much competition in hip hop is probably a reason why Things have gotten to the way that they are I don't know if hip hop becausecause it's so competitive is conducive to artists having long runs They used to talk about hip hop in the fact that you only got five years, you only got three years. you only got six years I think that was probably healthy It was probably healthy not for the artists individually, but it was probably healthy for hip hop culture. It' probably healthy for rap culture, particularly mainstream rap culture. becausecause It's kind of like the NBA There starts to be diminishing returns if a team is on top for ten years straight It starts to be diminishing returns in football if a team is on top for nine, ten, eleven years straight Now becausecause things are so competitive, That chokes off new blood It changes the media ecosystem rather than having a conversation about music, we're having dick riding competitions or hating competitions. We're not talking about it in good faith anymore. It's like if you wanted a good faith assessment of Drake's album, like where would you go half the people are on is nuts. The other half are outright hating. Who is the last bion of people that just listen to something and go, let me help you contextualize it I feel like all of this is kind of a contagion that's just not making it as much fun as it used to be. Can I ask you this, is it not as fun for you because you're not like a super fan of anybody right now that's putting out could it be that? And the reason I ask you that is because after the whole beef and after the pop out, I Despite the other conversations that we've had recently, am Tyler, the Creator fan And when chromacopia dropped Which was also twenty twenty four. It had been three years since an album. It dropped and then Camp Flognog was right there. That was so exciting if you were a fan. You notot only did you just get this music, now you get to see him perform it. And like there was so much, if you're a fan of that off him, so much excitement around that. And I remember Like I mean, you know, we joked, I was probably like the oldest person to get f on. But I was a fan of it. And I was really, really excited to not just I had just listened to it and now I get to experience it. So I guess that's why I say, is it because maybe there's not somebody that you're so into like that that you're anticipating the album or excited when they drop something by surprise because I I just experienced fun two years ago with that. I mean he dropped another album That just like the turnaround of it from the concert, from the drop to the concert It was a really fun time for me as a fan Also I'm old Let's face it I'm older. are old. I am the first Maybe the second generation of like hip hop fans. So when I start listening to rap It's because I'm on a bus And like the bus, this was a bus that like was going to Ms. Diggs' house in Dallas We lived in Dallas for a little while. Okay. Yes, I remember. And we're going to Ms. Diggs' house in Dallas. M Miss. Diggs used to keep kids. So you would get on, it wasn't really a bus, it was like a van So you would leave P L. Marcellis elementary Sool You went to Marceseles? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. you would leave that place boy The Texas indoctrination was something else, by the way I just remember being a young kid and having to sing and we've talked about this deep in the heart of Texas all the time, having to like do a program. Sorry, I had thatight. And my dad hated that shit. My dad would be like, hey, you're from the Bayu All right I was like, Hey, you brought me here? I'm here. So Tel Marcella so I remember leaving that we get we get on the bus, go to Miss. Digg's house and somebody in the back of the bus N nobody can rap. qu like I can't I take a muscle bone man. I'm like, oh shit, what the fuck is going on. And from then on, rap was in my life. And I was having fun with rap. Rp was fun, man. D't matter who you like and who you didn't like. like MC Hammer was fun Eric B and Rock Kim was fun. Rob Base was fun. Me and my man, Drico used to be around there doing Rob base, you know doing the whole it was all it was fun. It was a lot of fun. And then the West Coast guys came out and it was dangerous, but it was still a lot of fun. There's a lot of joy. a lot of joy in it maybe joy is the term that I'm looking for. Okay. Maybe it's joy And hip hop has been a joyous part of my life U since then, DMX. Even that very Hcore music, everything that was coming out of Yonkers, all of that stuff, it was still animating and I was still There's a lot I was it was like and now it just seems like We get this shit and get it out there and it's a fucking drag man. Ebody mad, Ebody talking they shit, everybody is so wound up. We try to even have Cultural conversations based around it in pinch forth clam. Everybody's like're gagging on the day. gagging on the day. It's like to me It it is to me, it's like thisition is just not And I'm older. so maybe older and it's social media, right? We didn't have all of that. So like you listen to it and you talk about it, you hear it on the radio.. you talk about it with your friends and your friend group, like not as it's not litigated because you're not as connected all the same way But age, I think, has a big thing to do with it Z cororner, Do y'all get excited about music? Well hip hop. Yeah, absolutely I always get excited when. What's the last album you got excited over I mean, I was excited for Iceman Drake, you I'm Drake. Jane, you ripped apart. I did. That' because I was genuinely like down I was let down. I was but I was genuinely excited for it. Okay. Now I'm also a Tyler fan. so Chromacopia was probablycent I was I went to the I went to that listening party that he had at was so fun. It was so fun. I feel like I foke with Tyler. I love Tyler. I think Tyler is legitimately a visionary But I think the visual stylings of all of that stuff. outweigh the musical impact that it has a lot. Oh, he's just not one of us. He's just not a fan you. I mean, I think that I think right now that Tyler the creator has a fifty year career ahead of him. Well he. ty forty whatever. I hope he lives to be one hundred and ninety years old as like a music video director and all of that stuff like that. but like Just about records, just about like songs. I don't know how many like just records and songs are gonna go crazy with Tyler Creator that are gonna to like hold a whole summer down or stuff like that. Is that a thing? Am I wrong? I mean, I do think Chromacopia had that effect for sure. like that think his Yeah. not necessarily, but Honestly, I feel like I still get like genuinely excited about music. It's just, I think now There's less of a purity to hip hop. I think that there was before and a more like Rotedness. I don't even know how to explain it, but I do think social media plays a big part in that, you know? I will directly critique O U, talalking point that has come out in the last F or six years Oh The idea that the party had to stop, that the party had to die Right You've heard that like, hey, the party got to end no more parties in LA. all of that stuff like that. Man, hip hop needs the party Like we need the party Hey the vibes are down right now. The vibes are down right now. This summer We need to keep our eyes on what's happening all over this world and in this country This summer, these sisters need to be out here and they need to be able to shake some ass and have some fun and release the trauma that's in their hips And I need to be able to drink these new flavors of hinnessy that are coming out that have me very excited for the summer by the. That's how old I am. I'm very excited for peach tea fucking Hinnessy. And I need to be out in places where I can re. This is what we're doing. people and watch people have a good. I really think that's already happening. This is what we're doing. I was at everyday people was just I just say Everyday people fourteenth June fourteenth is the next everyveryday people. It was so fun. I say we get a higher learning sponsor table. When I went last time, I had a blast. We get a sponsored table and you will get every single thing you just said you wanted at everyday interv We're going We're going Van's gonna buy us a table. I gota go. I'm very excited June fourteenth. And this is why I shout out to come in Monday. shhout out to M over. Shout out to shhout out to M Jones because he does trap karaoke. So people are out there having a good time. I want people to know that that that's very important that we say that. that people are out there having a good time. A lot of these conversations that we're having around the music, we've always had them M The same conversation that people are having about Ice Man As it relates to Drake When Blueprint two came out, I remember Like arguing with my friends, we didn't have a lot of the same language that we use now. We weren't calling things cope and whatever. But Jay came out like, canan't you see these fake, the rapper version the TD Jes prophesizing and all these C these and tapes? Jay was talking about how I put dollars on mine, As Columbine when the twwin towers dropped, who was the first in line? And we were listening to that. we were like Is JayZ like trying to convince us that he's a good guy because Nas st apart on Eether and said he was a fake but like it' JayZ Is these are these therapy bars Is this Is this what happens? like like what's going on? But Blueprint two had so much other stuff on it. They like we said that for a second And then we moved on to the shit that we liked about the motherfuckin album. And now it seems like we are just completely stuck And these many culture wars, intra community culture wars around this stuff that at the end of the day is supposed to make us feel good. I'm not saying that any of these Narratives I know every conversation is the most fucking important conversation that we gott to talk about cultural authenticity and purity and I'm one of the worst offenders of that. I understand it. But God damn it man If I don't just want to listen to some shit and chill Yeah All right. I'm going to be listen to the High boys G get it how you live for the rest of my life don't change it up. I I don't know. I just thought about it man. like For somehow me and one of my homeboys just were talking about the summer of twenty fifteen in LA. and it just made us sad because like we were was going crazy whatever Yeah I wasn't here now it's like Everybody Every day. different people. Nobody is really giving it. No one is up that commercial came out The Drake. I don't watch drrand commercial. I watched the commercial That's funny It's funny too This's a funny commercial But like I have a lot of people in my life that are staunchly on different sides of this. Its like,, this is the problem with everything. It's a fucking joke The joke is that this is the way people are and this is the way things are. and like normalizing glazing is crazy because glazing means Basically to nut in your face like that is that's a choice, but I'm just thought this shit was fun. This summer, Fanoo is the best place to bet on goals. Including equalizers. Uh Voies? Y, headters. Every goal is worth more on fanoo. 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I'm interested this is who Bon says about this actually. Anyway, it is all live from Citizens Bank Parks. In Philly, watch the T moobile Home rununs be liive on Netflix Monday, july thirteenth at eight PM Eastern five PM Pacific Hey man, I don't know. I'm just But now we have to get to real shit. This is the shit that we should be arguing about. not in my fucking hip hop records. Okay. Now this is shit that we should be arguing about Donny Primaries. Let's talk about them. Trump got more wins in Republican primaries on Tuesday, most notably Kentucky, where Representative Tom Massey was defeated by Trump endorsed candidate L. Galloran. Six states voted with results looking skewed to the Republican Party. voters in Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Kentucky, Oregon and Pennsylvania chose their party nominees Sting the stage for November matchups for Senate governor in key House seats where you guys as takeaways from this week's primaries Did you think it was going to be any different? I think let me say this. I think because We're constantly, you watch Ns, politics, all that And they're constantly talking about how low Trump's approval rating is So I think that there were some people who might have thought that the primaries may have gone a little different Th those approval ratings include everybody. Right? So the Republicans are still high on Trump And that's evident in these primaries. I don't think that this speaks to how the midterms are necessarily going to go because you don't know how independent voters and swing voters are going to be The Republicans are still down for Trump. They're still loyal to Trump, no matter What has happened, how much of a deficit the country's in how long we've been in this war that seems to not have any end in sight. The economy going shit inflation up. It doesn't matter. Republicans are still down for Trump. Thats That's all the primaries really said to me. And if you go against him People will vote against you That's really what it showed to me What's Trump's number his approval rating right now. It's like, a thirty something? thirty seven percent. Yeah. It's all time low thirty seven percent. That's combining everybody Here's a deal though Let's look at it, let's broaden it widen the aperture Mhum U So when you look at that thirty seven percent for things to be as dysfunctional as they are right now, because you're looking at basically three phases of dysfunction You're looking at political dysfunction in DC, you're looking at foreign policy dysfunction, and you're looking at economic dysfunction So in no way right now are we functional. Every part of the government has scandal and corruption, be it flying in planes slus funds All of this stuff that we're going to get into. And then you have a major foreign policy blunder in the Iran war right now that is seeks to or seeks to threatens to make Iran viable world power with their ability to choke off twenty percent of the world's energy or whatever. All of that. The thirty seven percent that still approve with Trump, they're ironcad Ironcad They're cemitted. That's stone I wonder how much lower that could possibly go when we say what percentage of MAGA ain't changing their minds? And we wonder whether or not it's fifty percent of the country. we say we say all the time it's fifty percent of the country. We say half the country. We're actually wrong about that It's probably more like thirty five percent because there can be some erosion inside of the Republican intelligencecy as well. So that thirty five to thirty seven percent are represented in their approval rating. That's who we're talking about. Okay. then in a primary What type of person is going to be motivated to vote And if you're Thomas Masy particularly You were having that debate his political future oriented around the question Could he raise rebellion in the Republican partarty the people who are not only not going to turn their backs on Trump but are going to show up for him whenever he asks are going to buy a phone, never get the fucking phone. are going to invest like all of that stuff, invest their money into stuff, never get their money. They have a religious belief in the president and will respond to his call. In a primary That's still going win. That is still going to win. So what Masy was up against was that Not only that a ridiculous funding push from APC in Israel lobby, rightight? Right. So he was but I don't even know If that is more important than the fact is this percentage of people That's it. they're Their guy, what he says goes They believe that A Their version of America, like who they are, what they are is tied up in the ascension of Donald Trump. Yeah. and they will never not believe that. Yeah. I mean, the man who beat U Ed Whatever his lim is who beat Massey literally said, I am there to serve Trump and I will do whatever Trump needs me to do. pereriod. That got him in, which is crazy because Massey is still super conservative. and there's like two, three things that he's pushed back on and that doesn't matter because all or nothing when it comes to that percentage of people and that base when it comes to voting for people who are wanting to serve Trump That's it Masy did not serve him one hundred percent. He served him ninety percent. He also had some really big breaks and some of the really big breaks were obviously the Epstein stuff and then Epstein war deficit. Right. But those breaks are probably fundamental to Trump. like ye fundamental that they threaten his control over the party If you're looking at this in terms of how it's going to play out in the midterms I wouldn't take too much from it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I agree. I personally wouldn't take too much from it. Yeah. You know that these thirty seven percent, whatever is people are going to be here And this is always kind of the inconvenient thing. You don't win a presidential election with those people. You win a presidential election with the people that you can add on top Yeah of that cemented locked in going a along base. And Mhm Trump and the Republicans the MAa movement have been able to do that largely with an anti immigration platform and with an economic plform Mhm Mh. No, I agree with you completely. in Texas particularly and that's why I say like you can't really I agree with you. You can't just focus on the primaries Crazy enough, Trump backed Kim Paxon not because he's Ultra Mga and not John Cornan. who John Corner, we know pushed back a little bit, but then tried to crawl back, something Massey didn't do. Masy pushed back and stayed with it. There people who tried to push back and then tried to say, okay, that's not working for me. let me just like try to like beg for Trump to forgive me and to work my way back into his good graces. D didn't work for John Corner. he ended up Um endorsing Campaxon I thinkink and hope that's going to be a mistake. Kim Paxson is awful. He's been impeached. I mean, the Republican Senate turned it over in Texas. He has his wife calls him a cheater. He's like anti biblical, which is a big thing like they're using that against him. He's not antiiblical, but his adultery and his actions are being promoted as anti religion, which is very big in Texas. So I think that even though Trump supported or Kim Paxon is probably going to win the primary coming up in a couple of weeks in Texas with Trump's endorsement, I think that that's going to backfire. or at least I hope it is in the midterms. So I think that's why it's not telling because Kim I think people are going to not vote in Texas. They'd rather not vote than vote for Kim Paxton when it comes to it. And that's why I think James Talerico might. might win that race. Are you think Talo Rico is going to take it? I've been seeing him surging a little bit, evenven some of the ict John Even though John C Cornon has been deemed a rhino I think I think that Kim Paxton is so controversial That will motivate some people to just say like I don't want to vote at all And that's why I think Talerico could pull it out. Palo Rico according to was it Paxson or Cord to W? Well, yeah, they mind you, the primary hasn't happened yet peopleople are assuming with the endorsement of Trump now, which people were shocked by. They thought he would endorse no one or Cornin, that now Paxon will win. They're taking aim at Talor Rico question is Talo Rico Surges Black maternal mortality initiative he put forward. Yeah Can Talorico do two things. Number one Can he be Texas enough? A, Texas We like our guns We like our bathrooms That'ood jinger Get out of my bathroom. I'm from Texas. P you Okay Can he be Texas enough and then Can he Hes have to put on some Dashiki He's not going to put on. That's not going to happen. You have to I'm telling Hey, don't listen to her. Ter Rico, you' going to have to electr your slide on juneteenth You got to come kiss the ring I'm telling you right now You got to come kiss the ring, man. You got to go to the AME church Yeah and Dallas and what's his part like you got to I'm telling you right now right now, Bread, chat out slide whatever you do. he need to Sot up trade the truth. reach out to trade the truth That's not a bad idea. Reach out to Trade the Truth, Reach out to. When's his day. When's that day? Trade the Truth day? Yeah, Trade day. Go to Trade day Tal Rico but tra do a T and T Treay and Talarico. you got to do all of this. You got to pander a little bit, Brad because you got the siss hot. july seventeenth to july twenty first. Trayday weekend. Talar Rico and Treayday together. You gott to go do it. You' got to do a lot of things. Yeah. L you know how they go You know, sometimes I see white politicians and they'll go to a soul food restaurant and they'll try to peach cobbler and I see their eyes buck with the sugar. I see it affect them And they go Oh, that's some good ass shit right there in my nicker. That's what Taler Rico got to do He got to drop so he might need to go to. That's a bad idea. He definitely should go This is so so he's got to go down there and join with the people and he also probably probably needs to figure out a way to and I don't know how you do this. but communicate with Jasmine Crocket in a way that may makes people feel like I know she'll be down. Yeah, I hope she goes down andamp and campaigns with him. That has to happen. Yeah, it has to I completely agree. I thought about that too. I was thinking about that because I saw her a campaign for Bisera and I was like, for us to turn Texas like, yeah, we all gota come together Cassidy lost in Louisiana and now he's started to He's like a corner to vote for things Um that he should have been voting for before Here's the thing with Cassidy any of these people If your nuts have to get cut for you to find them then you probably never had much nuts in the first place If you can't find your nuts while they're still on your body, somebody's got to cut them off and show them to you for you assert them then it doesn't mean very much Okay It was just saying. like all of these all of these sayings that my dad and my uncles used to say, I tried Is that one of them? Oh my dad used to say, if your nuts got to get cut for you to find them, you never had no nuts in the first place. He said, your nuts only matter when they own your body Somebody got to cutch your nuts for you to find them, like meaning N be beat down everything. Now you want to dy. You can't drop your nuts after somebody didn't cut them. They got to stay on That what and that's kind of the way I look at that. But these these primaries I mean, if you're Donald Trump you' going to of course, this is a win. He he's that's the headline for him. He's touting this is a win. And I mean, it does show that he is still powerful within his party because the people that opposed him, the people who turned against him, he pushed them out. That makes him feel powerful and he is in that in that in that way, but will that translating into the midterms. Probably not Lets to help now. All right Baking, Donnie, the DNC's twenty twenty four autopsy came out obtained by CNN. Right. CNN is publishing a copy of the report whichich goes into why the Democrats lost the twenty twenty four presidential election. is conducted at the request of Democratic National Committee chair Ken Martin. This version of the report, better known as the twenty twenty four autopsy, was written by Democratic strategist Paul Rivera. The DNC withheld the report uil present it with CNN's reporting about a lot of his contents. You guys read and dug into this What do you think about it? R as much as we could. this is coming out right now I read a lot of reports on it tried to get into as much as I could. The document basically talks about a couple of different aspects of the failed bid to Presidency back talks about the fact that it s say, should I say that Biden's White House failed to adequately promote Harris politically Uh I think that's Prior to her deciding to run, they didn't position her as a power in the party. We had always heard that there was some satisfaction, should I say, dissatisfaction from the Harris team over the way they were being positioned inside of the administration. It also said that Democrats are too closely associated with identity politics that that damages the party's brand Al also said the Democrats should spend money earlier in election cycles. It said that on Trump, the campaign and its allies failed to remind voters of his incompetence And it included an annotation. Cing the idea that Trump's negatives were bait in a major failure of analysis and reality. So it seems that according to the autopsy, the Democrats thought that they didn't have to do much work on Trump because Trump's identity was so well established that people would know Hm One more thing and then we'll talk about some of the things that are missing from here The report suggest that replacing Biden with Harris helped down ballot Democrats say that Biden was so weak. At the time that he was running thingsings would have been worse down ballot if not for switching Biden out with Kamala Harris. It doesn't really go into Biden's decision to run again in the first place, which is ridiculous It does not extensively evaluate his support Israel whichich I think is one of the main things that people would have wanted from this, okay U because the DNC's that's significant, because the DNC's internal findings accccording to a source with knowledge of the report. see that the Biden administration's support for Israel played a large role in Harris losing votes. I think I'm just reading some stuff here, but I think if I was to say that plainly, we all know that by the time It got deep into the race Uh the genocide question Israel. and the freedom of the Palestinian people and their self dignity, the self determination, shall I say, the dignity and self determination, that that was a major thorn in the side to the Kamala Harris campaign H Are you surprised by anything? I'm like reading it now as it's breaking news too Are you surprised by anything that came out with this. I think here I guess here's my other thing. I guess one are you surprised at anything they said or did anything like stand out to you? And two Does this really do anything for the party. This reports out. It's telling you the failures of the party But is it really going to resonate and be effective in any kind of way for the upcoming election And can I tell you why I asked that? Because I'm not surprised by any of the stuff that I'm reading and again, like this is just breaking. So I'm just like you know, consuming this now, but nothing is shocking to me and it's nothing that people at least since twenty twenty four election have been saying messaging. we are too spread too thin. like we need to be very clear on what it is that we're saying, fooccusing so much on Trump. You could almost say that the obsession that MAGA has with making him their religious leader The other side was equally obsessed leading up about being anti him rather than actually listening to what people are saying they need, which is why they lost ground with some of these key groups because the focus or obsession, I could say became so Trump so bad rather than you're not looking at actually telling you that they need. and maybe they were, but there are just so many issues where It's just so simple with the Republicans. Why are you looking at me like that? I do not like the way. You were sloused over picking your beard like that. I wasm like, what are you thinking? No The question that you asked is profound I really do. I think the question that you asked is Does it matter? if you know what's wrong with you And that's a question that we ask ourselves all the time The reason why we encourage people to go to therapy The reason why we encourage people to go on journeys of self discovery is so that they can understand their trauma and what's not working for them Mhm, but there isn't expectation that once people know that that they act on it that they don't take the therapy speak that they learn or the coping mechanisms that they learn and deepen their own dysfunction There's a thought and an expectation that they want to be better And so If we are handed a document, which by the way, in and of itself is incomplete I got all kinds of factual errors, spelling errors, all of this stuff, even the way they put this document out denotes deep dysfunction in the Democratic partarty, right But let's put all of that to the side If we are handed a document tells a party What's wrong with them or what they did wrong And they don't care What are we saying about them? We're saying that they're okay being wrong that wrong is working for them for whatever reason. Th then the question that you would have to ask yourself is why Because the question of why right is not being done is an easy one The question of why wrong being done St works is fundamental to understanding a dysfunctional society And I'm not gleaning all of that from this document. I'm saying if we all know the things that would be in a document like this and we know the things that are not in a document like this, being those things relating to Israel or relating to other things that they don't want to talk about, right thenen why should we expect The Democrats to be better if we know that they know They know that we know and nothing is changing aren't we being stupid Well, let's make matters worse This creation of this autopsy It's not even the final product That's what your DNC chair saying says that there are blank sections is disorganized And it fails to site and source the things that it is saying led to the the loss of the twenty twenty four election So why why is it put out Well, it's put out because there was a tremendous amount of pressure to have it put out. But is is that not problematic? So let's because because but that's what I'm saying to your point, even more so, right? Why are we rushing something out with pressure that we don't even know if what it's saying is true because it's not properly sourced and researched and they didn't conduct interviews or supporting data for the assertions that are made within this two hundred pages, sections are blank Are we not just repeating the same thing? We're putting it out for the You're pressuring people to put it out for what reason The reason That's not what the public is necessarily asking for. No. I don't want you to I don't want you to rush it. So what's the point of this if it's not properly done? Well number one It should have been done properly a long time ago Number two, there are a lot of people who are fucking scared Yeah. And there's a lot of dysfunction that they have witnessed When we talked about some of Trump's domestic failings, we forgot about Iice, we forgot about government shutdowns. We are forgetting about a lot of this body blows that we have been taking Yeah for a while just because this hip hop music is not allowing us to have any escapist fun anymore All right, but anyway Um And so I think people want an accounting of how we got here and part of that accounting is and how the Democrats lost But That's what I' saying. Thats people want that, right? And we should And we should And if they're scared because they want to know how we lost, are you not even more scared that they just threw something out there just to give it to you for the sake of giving you? and you still aren't telling us exactly why we lost? This is so problematic. I ask your question. Yes. What if the fact that you believe in the Democrats in the First place is the reason why you're here That's that Okaykay, look. so everybody about to get mad fuck it, I see the TikToks by the way. I appreciate like I see him. I see the TikToks. I see all the TikToks I see all the talk. I see People mad that I endorse butchware, people upset. I see it all by the way, I think it's fucking fair. I think it's fair. I think it's fair right now for people who are afraid to ask questions about where they're going to get protection. So if you're mad that I am moving to the left and you think that there is no community or synergy in your protection with my worldview, I think the questions that you are asking are compleable tely fair and I would love to have those conversations But when I look at something like this and we're having a conversation that we are, right? what I think is They can't even tell people Honesty veness. U Honesty or effectiess I always look for that third word that fucks me up. They can't tell people with honesty or effectiveness why they lost They don't seem to be interested in having an actual conversation about the deficiencies of the party. So maybe it's a belief in them in the first place that I've put you in this position. And so that frustrates me when I'm having to have a when I'm trying to have a conversation. adequately examines the Democrats Not as the group that stands on the heel with swords in opposition to what Donald Trump is doing, not the watchers of the gate democracy the white knights of bodily autonomy. I'm talking about effectiveness of a political machine. I'm talking about what fucking actually happen Right? Not about not a van is no, no, I understand I'm from Louisiana. They're redrawing my state painting it red. That red to me is blood The red that my state is being painted. Gerrymandered, that's blood to me. When I see that I see blood. I see blood spilled on that soil by enslaved people. I see blood spilled on that soil by people that marchs so they could get up and go get they fucking vote and it pisses me to fuck off, right? I get mad too. I understand it. But I'm wondering, I think everybody should be wondering If there's another option, Besides putting our faith to stop that in a political movement That seems irreparably broken. Yeah it feels that way. I think that what you pose is correct I think that's why you have to keep not accepting what you're being told and keep pushing for what it is that you actually want and need. And if that pushes you to the left, if that makes you vote for someone who isn't on the ticket and you have to write it in, if that makes you just say, hey, I'm going to constantly be demanding from my from the Democrat, you know who runs my area or whatever it may be, demand that they change and do something different or I will take my vote somewhere. whatever it may be. I just think that, yeah, like you we should be questioning these things. We shouldn't just take what we're giving but they're giving us. And I don't think we are I don't think we are at this point. Wow How that you are. But my thing is The way I look at it is the very least you could do is kick the ass so they get it, right too me doesn't seem like what a large portion of the centered Democratic establishment wants. What they want is a version of what Trump has. What they want is a version to where like Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line. They love that. They want you to fall in line. They want you to fall in line They want you to want the best but accept the middle or maybe even the worse. They want you to be like, hey, you know what I'll settle for five percent freedom because five percent freedom is better than what the other side is offering. It's an odd thing because the moment that you start interrogating or having conversations about the political ideas that you're getting from the established left of this country, which is the Democratic Party All you get from reallyally their constituency is Razors You don't get any good faith conversation. The good faith conversation that you would think you would get with people who uh, are more pololitically Guess curious the ones who don't believe in just choking off people's votes or taking their rights away You would think that you would be able to have a conversation with them about what freedom actually is and how but you Increasingly, probably because of fear hundred percent Probably because of fear, probablyably because of what they're seeing. Increasingly, they're just saying and I get it, I just want this political experiment done. Yeah I want Maga done. They do. Yeah and I get And I understand that. If that means Gavin Newsom this is If that means Gavin Newsom, if that means Whomever? If that means electing a billionaire Yeah, I mean And you see it happening right now for the people who promoted Jill Stein. Right. You see the conversation happening right now. I mean, how many times are you seeing people's names like like a Mark Lamont Hill thrown out there Who are the other names we're seeing out there A lot of them. Oh you don't want to name them. I'm throwingbody under the bus. No, I's not throwing anybody under the bus for they Like an Eddie Glad junr. they' It's not throwing them under the bus. These people, it's out there. These people stood in it, they voted for what they believed in. I'm not throwing it in their face. I'm just saying to your point, a fear of, well, I don't want to happen again. what happened. We split the vote. I just got to make sure that whatever I do, I'm voting to get that out and we'll deal with the rest later. Yeah. I understand why people say that Sometimes I feel that way I am so scared of having another four eight years of what we've had when we know that already in two years what's been done It would take at the very least, like thirty years and an a packed court to even make changes. L the damage is done So and the loss of like it's, which is what's crazy, you know, Trump obviously got into office saying you can't trust the government and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And there's so much corruption and I'm going to do all these things, you know, the whole populism message and that's exactly what he's doing now. So I also say that to say, I think there is a fear of there's just so much corruption. We don't trust anything right now. So I get why people want to vote for the establishment I really, really do. So I don't fault them from it because I have the same fear that you have I really do. Well, look This is what I will say, But I'm still not voting for Biser. Well hold on. this is what I' say. I actually do agree with you in that in that regard. I do agree with you. I think it's fair when I'm talking to my my my super Lfty friends and Mark Mah Hill is one of them When talk When I'm talking to them, I think it's fair to ask questions that make them uncomfortable Like for example, ask a question is Do you feel like if you wouldn't have stumped for Jill Stein or Butchware or whomever it is, do you think that Don't say it broadly. Answ the ask the question specifically. Do you think that Renneee G would be alive I mean, think about that because legitimately, when we think about the election of Donald Trump, We and I think This is part of the plan. When we think about the election of Donald Trump, we think about it in terms of numbers which everything that we get now are numbers. And as our brains become more addicted to digital things, numbers actually become a little bit less. Like for example, less important. For example, somebody comes out and they say, if we take it back to the Drake thing. they go, Drake had one hundred fifty billion streams and all like, what does that really mean Right? There used to be a different experience that we would put to music consumption So somebody had to go out and buy a CD. you had to buy a CD. You had to take the wrapping off of the CD. you have to open the CD, you have to read the credits of the CD. You have to have almost an experience with it. Yeah. So have an experience when they said that A million people did that in one week You would be like, shit A million people went out and just did that same thing gave a little something up to experience this music. They had to drive, they had to wait in traffic. They had to go wait in line a lot of times to get all of this stuff. It just felt different, right? Felt different. Now you know that a stream, not that that's not impressive because it is impressive, but a stream is just hitting play on a device that you already have. It took you a half a second to do it. R. No effort. And the reason why I'm saying that is because a lot of the numbers that we get when we're talking about like Political dysfunction I think they're starting to wash over us because we're looking at them in the same way that we look at everything that pops up on this computer screen. But when you're talking about the fact that somebody died and' gone forever Like two hundred people killed in Iran, like schoolgirls killed because of a decision that the president made. Like people still getting bombed in Palestine. Like people still getting bombed in Palestine. The reason why that cut through is because The numbers people getting bombed were alongside of pictures of emaciated babies and like people under and mothers crying. and there's a human experience to it. So I think it's fair to ask the question Does your political project? then give way to Donald Trump and then Donald Trump d does these things. you know, all this carnage happens, right? And people actually die and get thrown in jail and get shipped off to other countries and put jail. All of that's fair But I'll tell you what though If the response is, it's actually not me that did that. Actually the failure of the center of the party. It's the failure not of a couple of voices that say we should experiment voting left to vote for humanistic principles and practices. Actually, it's the multi billion dollar political industry can't mount a sufficient challenge to someone who is so historically unpopular Yeah, but yet keeps getting them when it matters most. Yeah. I think that's a pretty robust answer to that question, although I do think that the question should be asked. I agree with you. I agree with you. And something else you just said before we move on, we'll stop talking about it after this, I guess. but You said When you look at your computer or whatever it is that you're looking at your phone your device and you see all these things pop up and it almost just becomes you become desensitized to it. It's so much. And you said something earlier when you were talking about how So you mentioned Iice and what happened and how like I mean, that obviously was devastating and it had such tragic effects of it. it still happening, but so much stuff is happening that you almost move past that to focus on the next thing. We have to keep. you just said Renee good It kind of like a little bit because it's not because I forgot It's just wow, we've moved on to the next Trump thing. And even if Trump is distracting us with A slush fun That means he's doing five other things over here and somehow We as we move forward to the midterms into the next election, we have to keep these things front of mind. People have lost their lives, their livelihood A. you know, like their well being with their with life in general, like they can't afford to exist within this country. And so many things keep happening. And we just keep moving on to the next thing. And somehow and I don't know how to do it, we just have to keep it all front of mind I mean we talk about this every day and still when you said that, it like stop me in my tracks Uh No, I think what you're saying is the way people feel. And I think all these conversations are on the table and have to be on the table I think we should have them with a little bit more bravery Yeah and maybe especially if we all want the same thing. Uh This comes from my friends on The far left, right and the people to the right of them and to the right of me inside of this coalition. We have to have these conversations a little bit more substantively And with a little bit more charity, at least with each other att least with each other. because if not The whole thing is fucked. And maybe we need to start having these private conversations So then maybe we can come together and fight the fight in a way that they are not aware of. You want to get your backyard summer ready, but you don't want to break the bank? Wayfare gets it. Pning on dining alfresco or relaxing poolside Wayfair has everything you need to prep your space. Shop now and save up to seventy percent off during Wayfare's Fth of July clearance. Score huge deals on outdoor furniture, area rugs, and more. We're talking thousands of products for every style and budget. Plus, sururprise Flash Deals July sixth. Don't wait. 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Let's do race.. Chelsea spoke to Deon Cole on his podcast Funny Knowing You Specifically, this thing went viral where she talked about the Kein Hart roast and how certain jokes rub her the wrong way. And I knew they would be lazy because they do that for a living. And I knew enough about like Tony Hinchcliff and Shane and their backgrounds. I had girls ex girlfriends blowing up my DMs that had dated Shane and were telling me stuff about him So based on that, I was like, o, these guys are pretty bad. So you ask something on him that you was going, you could have tellell us now what what's his say? It's just everything we know that they're racist, that they're bigots, that they're sexist You know, that they think they're like invincible. It was ick. It was gross. There's not I don't find those jokes to be funny. jokes about lynching black people or Like lynching is not if Joe is not that's worse than rape Like you're not joking about rape, arere you? Are you saying I'm go rape you? You know you can't do that, but you can say lynching. I find that to be, I don't know, you know, people are like, it's a roast, you go for it. I'm like, you can go for it without being gross. Like I find that to be gross. I found with I' making fun of Cheryl Underwood's like dead husband who committed suicide Like skin c. You know, she's fine with that. If she said she's fine with that, she's fine with that. I wasn't fine with that. First of all 'use you you know, it's when we talked about it on the last rightight after the roast. I hadn't seen the full episode But my opinion is still the same in that I think that you know, we talked about, we at least played the Tony Hinchcliff a segment of what he said. and I'm like, it's hard to say he oh, it's just all in jest because There are many things that he does that are racist. So for me, and and you were like, You have a different, I'll let you speak for yourself, but you have a different take on it. For me It is not a roast If you are disguising your racism within the roast. He's really not disguising it, but you're hiding it under the fact that, oh, well, this is just a roast I am glad that Chelsea finally said it because there have been many of comedians that have come out well, that have been against it that didn't participate. I loved what Michael Chay had to say that didn't participate. And then there the comedians that did participate who defended what happened at the Rast. And I am glad to see that somebody who was up on that panel was re prettyt much disgusted by the jokes coming from Tony and Shane I have seen Shane be funny before. I actually did not think he did a good job, that good of a job hosting it. I thought the funniest thing he said was This is Black excellence. I'm the one who'sost a white guy' hosting a Black man's roose After that, it just felt She had she hit the n on the head for me when she said lazy. I think that and I actually said this when I was watching it with someone, I was like, just the jokes about like your skin's dark and you're black and just it is lazy. you're a professional comedian and these felt like your mama jokes, almost to me. Like it just was so simple in what they were doing And there was no regard for the fact that, you know, Kevin Hart is a black man and you're roasting him, but it's also like an honor to have it on this stage and in this way. And to me, Chelsea said exactly how I felt about the whole thing. And I was happy that somebody was bold enough to actually say it and not say, oh, like a roast is different, like this is what you do. Everything is off limits. I actually don't believe what some of those people are saying. I just think or I don't think they believe it is what I should say. You think Kevin Har believes it? I think that some of that stuff both bothered them I can't say which joke, obviously, this is all an assumption, but some of it was so much. And it was over and over and over again that I don't know how some of it you didn't say. L even when he was laughing, and then for even when Cat Williams came out, because at the time we talked, I hadn'ten Cat Williams. Cat Williams came out He kind of alluded to what did he say? The first thing he was like, I'm the only one with a soul or something like this up here. He was alluding to what was going on, kind of staying true to himself in all of it. So for me, I just felt like people are putting the profession first because maybe they fear that you know, it'll come back on them or it'll affect them professionally. But there is no way that Black people on that stage were okay with everything that was being said Okay, so the cat point is interesting because Cat descended in likeike a fly ass alien then got the fuck about it there. And he was even do you remember you saw him running back and forth? Yeah. I was like, what is he doing afterfter you got on stage Yeah Yeah. Yeah cat Yeah exists outside of that particular comedy matrix, it feels like. It feels like Kat's one of the guys that has direct tether to the community. I post it Alicex Dke on U had just funny What did he say? Well, he goes on kills Hony He goes on kill Ting. I't know He goes ontill Tony he has at least once. Interesting. Okay. So look, this is the deal. I haven't really changed any opinion that I have about this And the only reason why is because You're a comedian. No, no, no, that's not. It's because like Uh I'll give you an example, okay? when Flaggrrant did the Black women jokes in front of shits and giggles Right Remember that? Yeah, spoke out about it. Right. And we talked about the fact that we're talking about stereotypes and all of that stuff and we're getting into it and not stereotypes. We're degrading black women, we're making Black women unsafe. I that's always a conversation to have, particularly when those jokes are being made podcast like that in front of two black men who aren't comedians just to see how they respond to it, right That was Flagrant's brand. So the way I looked at that The way I am, I looked at that and like how are they going to respond to like that joke Do you think you need to respond to that joke or would you just laugh along with And Now, in this situation, I still am really conflicted about it for two reasons, even with the Chelsea Handler thing Number one She doesn't like those guys particularly her and Shane, and the joke that Shane made about her right before she went up there was fucking Right It was a brutal joke. And it was so brutal that He really didn't have to say very much about it. He just goes Ch hand Chse handlers a ist Im saying it's good or bad And then he goes Uh, spepeaking of did he said something else? and he goes something about children. Say something about children. He goes speak to children with shrimp in their mouth. He goes Chelsea Handler went to a dinner with Jeffrey Epstein and like seven people And then he just lets that breathe. And then he goes with Allen and Prince Andrew were there. H's Chelsea Handler And that right there. he likeike that is just a devastating indictment of anything that she could possibly say that would seem righteous. Like and so before you even go up there, I I wondered how it would feel to go there after number one, someone had called you a Zionist and then connected you to dead kids or And then at the same time said, hey, this was somebody who went to a very intimate Jeffrey Epstein. That doesn't mean anything about Chelsea Handler, I suppose, but it is just a fucking nuclear bomb to drop on that stage like that. So part of what she's saying right there, particularly about Shane is because there's something between them Like part of like she alluded to the fact that she did work on Shane and called Chhane's girlfriends and stuff like that. I do not know Shane Gills, have no relationship with She Gills, any of stuff. So I'm saying there's a part of that right there that's just like comedian that they reached out to her.ight Okay, fine. Cool. There's a part of that that's actually a very important distinction. There's a part of that that's just comedian versus comedian bullshit Tony Hinchcliff doesn't tell jokes. Tony Hitchcliff says racist shit in spaces where people, I guess aren't expecting to hear it like at the Trump rally and stuff like that and just says, here's the worst thing I can fucking say. It's not going to be funny U but I am going there and people who and I guess they laugh. I've never laughed at Tony Hitchcliff one time I've never laughed at him. I've never laughed at Tony H. Well my friend's husband is a comedian and she's like when Tony is on the ticket, he always bombs. Right. I've never laughed at him. never laughed at him. I think he's a creation of the Rogan's fear mothership kind of wholeale and Kill Tony is something that like features a lot of other comedians But I will say it's this though, it's like I get the way those jokes make me feel, the way jokes make me feel, but like It's hard to have that conversation It's hard to have the conversation about Tony Hitchcliff and Shane Gillis or whomever else was up there and not have a conversation about the fact that this is how Kevin Hart wanted his roose So help me understand because this is and I think that this is like really good for the audience too because One, there's the picture of the writers. They wrote stuff But I'm also like these are comedians. didid they not write their jokes? I have a hard time thinking Chelsea Handler didn't write jokes. Well, some of them I'm sure you have a team. Well there there's also Blazer always makes it seem like she writes her jokes. There's also an article about the jokes that didn't get used Yeah. So there are some jokes that at least U somebody somewhere, Kevin Hart, somebody else went, Hey, I don't want these in the show. So help me in this is what I would like to know You know, it's put on by Netflix You know M who runs Netflix Blackwise Torrendos, Yeah So yes, ours Ivanne's dauer. Yes, Nicole. Um Names escape me at that moment So Help me understand, they pay people because cats said it to come up there. and roast Kevin gets paid for it How much because they're paying them, they're putting it on. How much say does Kevin have because he's getting paid to do this. And is or is it just a Netflix production? Did Kevin pick those writers out? It wasn it like. I understand. I'm asking. I'm genuinely asking. Does he say I want this comedian and this or does he say I get to pick these and then they get to fill in the rest? How much control does he actually have over this being a Netflix production and they're paying you like to roast you. Here's the answer I have no idea. Okay because I think that that plays into some of this because I don't want to put too much blame on somebody that you well, no, I guess I could because you accepted Even if you had no part in it, you accepted you accepted to do it knowing that you wouldn't know what would happen. Well say, here's the deal though. I think that key word in this Blame or responsibility tell you what Because if you use the term blame, then you're saying what happened was inappropriate and wrong and here is who is to blame for it If you're saying what happened was Edgy and inappropriate, right? Not even inappropriate. I used inapppriate before. If you're saying what happened before was wrong You need somebody to blame. If it was a cultural file, a cultural crime, then there has to be somebody to blame for the cultural crime If you're saying that what happened was edgy or envelope pushing or whatever, then there's somebody who's responsible for it. Wh's responsible for the content that you had to that you had to endure. Those comedians that are coming out, Lil Rail spoke on it, Michael Chase spoke on it They have way more cache to speak up on what's going on in their culture than any podcasters would Right So if Michael Chay and Lila Howy are saying, Look We're here We make the jokes. We're a part of the people that push the envelope. We make the jokes and we're saying that some of this stuff is too far. There' no way that conversation is them policing their culture I acquiesced to that completely and totally We has to Chelsea to me is a little different being that I know that there's something happening between her. But if black comedians are looking at this and saying, hey, we don't want a comedic type of situation where we have to endure that. That's not what we're into. then yeah, that makes a lot of sense. That holds a tremendous amount of away for me Then the question just goes back to Like What is comedy? Because I could look and I love Michael Chang. We've had Michael Chang on before been made uncomfortable withith some of the news desks? Some of the joke swaps that happen on the news desk. Yeah. when I swap L I've been made up, but it's an uncomfortable laughter. becausecause it's Funny Right? It's there are jokes that are being made that he makes Yoos say that are about black people being criminals. that there was one and it was hysterical about the Popeyees friy chicken sandwich. that like black people were running out and committing all kind of crimes and then the punch line is because the popeyes fried chicken sandwich was. Now joke is funny if everybody is in on the joke because there's a part of me that goes, shit, that's on Saturday night live. That's an away game I'm not comparing them. I'm saying Those guys get to make that distinction. And what I did here honestly was Enough nigh we ain't fucking with that from inside the black comedic community for me to be like, yeah Yeah because for me, the way I looked at it at first was like It's a roast there than legitimately having a race to the bottom. That's what the roast is. The roast is a race to the bottom The roast is how fucked up can we be? And so I look at that. they talking about Pete's dad All Do you know how destroyed I would be? I was on Netflix. He looked uncomfortable and somebody brought up the death of my father. I'm not signing up for that. Do you know how just to ap partart I would be, but that I he locate it because did you hear Shane say when Shane kept making jokes about C Cheryl Underwood's husband committing suicide He made it and people didn't know to laugh and he goes It's okay guys. I asked Cheryl before if this was okay for me to do. and she said yes. I wonder if they did that with Pete too. I know they don't do that for everything, but I think that that one was so dark because I kept saying they keep doing this. I wonder if Cheryl was prerepped for this. Apparently she was. She talked about it that they went to a that there was like a comedy brunch or something peopleople were coming up to her. was in't it' Tance S Randall's house? Tance Randell's house. She even actually said that Tony Hitchcliffe did this look this that the A about the death, notot about the black. Not sure. But like she said and this is another deal She said that When I listened that, she said that The comedians that were going to make jokes about her came up to her and told her this thing and said that they were and she said, Hey, I'm a do this, but just you can do that, but just know I'm a come back at you. I'm a get back at you. I'm gonna do all of that type of shit. thatoes I'm going to give it to you all and all of that Even with that though, you wonder In that situation, does she feel like she can say not that's too much you know, or is that going against some kind of comedy code? Yeah, I think that there was a lot of that. That's to me, that was my biggest takeaway of what Chelsea was doing. I was sick of people acting like I know a roast is different, but I was sick of people being like, there's no line with the roast. I think that there's a line and I was really glad to actually hear somebody say it. And when Deion Cole asked her later in that interview, I don't know if that was in that clip or not, he was like, well, how does it make you feel that black people were laughing? She's like, I'm not here to tell black people what they can and can't laugh at. I'm telling you how I felt watching this. And and I appreciated I just appreciated somebody finally saying it because it was like no. Well, I mean, look, no look, my understanding of a roast still stands in that I always thought that when you watch these roasts, remember, it was the roast It was a roast where we talked about this wherere like Ted Danson showed up in Blackface Yes,, You know what I mean? And that became a deal This a deal though. This the deal. I think you know what else happened Do you remember the lady from Cole Pizza, Dana Jacobson? Do you remember her I gott to see her face. She used to be on cold pizza before it became first take. She got in trouble because she was at a roast And I think it was the roast of Mike Golick who was at Notre Dame or something like that. And she said like fuck Jesus. or something like that. I remember she got in trouble for that A lot of these roasts are not televised. I think that's another different thing. Some of the ros the Friars Club ros back in the day, whomever it was. they ended up putting out boxes of them later and souff some of these stuff but like This roast wasn't for the comedy community. It was for millions and millions of people on Netflix And there's just always going to be a certain contingent of people That's not going want to hit jokes about fucking George Floyd. Not going want to hit jokes about Charlie Kurt notot going to want to hear jokes about you know, dead people's relatives and stuff. Sure. I think Two cultures kind of combined, but you know I don't know. When I first heard, I was like, that's what they do But now I'm looking at it and I'm like, oh, you know what? it seems as if Maybe that's not what they do. Comedians are say Cedians are saying, that's not what we do. It is what it is, but Well, Chelsea said it's lazy. likeike there was a there's a way you can do it without going there. Yeah, I wonder what that dinner was like Okay, San Js just jo. Okay, Shank, G go No no, no, no, no, no, no, I can't really say too much, you know I went to a couple parties I o Um Okay Uh, oh This is we haven't never talked about this lady before Is that where we're going? I mean, yeah, we got to get back to politics. We want to go we have a choice between black women to cover. We can cover Cheyanne Bryant or we can cover Michelle Obama You got to choose like which one? Shan, Bryant, Shan She is a shan San Brian Michelle Obama was black. Well, you've forgot her title She's doctor She's doctor, Chey Brant See thator Is she? I don't know. What do you you already didn't give her the doctor. So you're already ind ding her. Cheye Bry. She call herself a doctor? I'll call her a doctor. I apologize to that sister. Dr. Cheyanne Bry. I guess there's some controversy about whether or not she's actually a doctor Dony, go ahead. do shine San Dr. Cheyenne Bryant, doctor in quQote Marks Media P. That su for her. She's facing growing scrutiny after admitting that she is not a licensed therapist. publicly using the title Doctor Th these questions have popped up and she has done her best to answer them via several interviews. and I don't think she's been doing a good job of Clearing this up. But what do you guys think about her title or lack thereof I don't know as much about her as I think a lot of other people do What do you need to know? Well, does she give her Yeah advice through a therapeutic lens. Yeah Oh she did okay? Yeah. So it' was like So rather than say, hey, because we give relationship advice is always terrible. But rather than say, hey, this is what you should do. She says, in my clinical Evaluation, this is what you should do. That's what she does. Is that what she does I don't know if she says clinical evaluation, but the thing is is that She's not like a doctor at Dre as like a nickname. Dr. Dreay, maybe he thinks maybe I don't even why he calls himself Dr. Dreay, but like whatever. She's That's music. She is actually in a profession with the title doctor or doctor is used. and I would imagine that that title has opened doors for you or or giving you more clients. Giving you an authority. Yeah. and what made it worse is she goes on breakfast club and they ask her about it and she gives this reasoning that she went to a place where She pursued her l studies She says she refers to it as doctoral. that It's not a word. It's not the right word. It's my point.' the That's my point. Okay. So an indictment. She went to this university, it's shut down They got rid of everything They said it went to a third party. She goes to the third party. The third party says, well, we only keep it for two years And they said, so she has nothing. And they said, we'll refund you. this is her story. We'll refund you your money back, but that means that we erase everything. Like you didn't take any classes, nothing I don't remember what she said she did after that, but people are upset because they argue that she's using the doctor title without a verified doctorate or a clinical license So people have been asking her to show it Right? This has come out. She's she's there's more visibility, you know you see her everywhere. I just assumed if you're going to use the word doctor and you're within a profession where people do have that title, whether it's a doctor of psychology, a doctor of psychiatry, that there is some sort of if you've written a dissertation, you obtained your PhD and That is why you're calling yourself doctor. You're not like Doctor of podcast or something like that, like Doctor Pod or whatever whatever you w to call it. And rather than just like addressing people's concerns who may have like sought advice from her, who maybe have like trusted her inside or her intellect because they believe that she has, you know, achieved a certain level of education in this area You just write people off as like haters and they hating on you and all of this stuff, which again, sounds like an indictment. because to me If you really respect the profession, then You would honor people's concerns. You wouldn't just write it off, right? Like I'm a lawyer. I'm technically a doctor myself a doctor of jurisprudence. Is that true? That is I am a doctor of jurisprudence. I would never be called Dr. Lindseay, but My point is is I would be offended if someone maybe attended some classes, but didn't go through what I went through and is using the same title as me simply because they say their life experience, speaking engagements, and television appearances translate to them to be deserving of being titled a doctor There's a reason that she wants to be called a doctor and not a life coach. It gets you more clients, like I said. It gets you more jobs, more authority, more access. There's a status above it. Like the thing is just call yourself a life coach because what I wish the Breakfast Club would have asked her was Okay, like, well, where's the printed degree Right? You graduate from something. You get a printed degree There's a picture of her when she does some talks and she's got all these framed things behind her is her background And it's been pointed out that there's no degree for that for the dock for the doctorate.. behind her The other thing I would have said for the brereakfast Cub to ask is what did you write? your dissertation on That's easy. You got to have a dissertation. to get a PhD. What did you write yours on? I was on sports law review. I wrote a paper. I didn't publish it, but I can tell you exactly what it was called. It was called The deeath of Jerry McGuire And I wrote it about these sports conglomerant swat and how the talent gets lost within these big agencies. I can remember that. because it happened And I think that that's the the big it's just it's honestly, Cheyenne It's ridiculous. Like you're looking extremely ridiculous right now and it's very telling the fact that people are asking you, you did it, you did the work, people are asking you to produce it and you're getting offended by it, you're being very defensive at the fact that people are asking a very logical question, which is simply you have this title. How did you get it? Okay, well, what did you do this on? It's just At this point I think she should just hire like Crisis PR or something and just just label herself as a life coach or make a joke out of it and just be like, I'm quotations, Cheyenne Bryant. I don't know where to go from here, but it's coming off the wrong way. And I think and to label it as people hating on you for whatever reason, it's not the answer. I think that people feel misled, and I think that that's fair for them to feel that way. You had a lot of credibility. peopleeople respected your opinions and what it is that you had to say hadad viral moments, funny moments I just think that the way you're going about it It's it's not good.. Be now people I see her now and I see doctor and quotations I do. You have more problems with the response to the criticism than anything else Yeah You are a public figure and you present yourself as a licensed doctor You are giving advice and I don't know if I'm assuming it's psychology, but you're giving she's not writing prescriptions. If she's psychiatrist, she could be writing prescriptions. I'm assuming it's psychology, right? Like our therapist is a psychologist. I'm sure he would be offended If somebody was slinging around the doctor title For fun Like I fun. You don't have any respect for the profession if Youre just like toying with this title It's more than a title. It's something that's earned and it feels and it seems like you did not. And if you did This what I say It's looking ridiculous. If you did, just do it If somebody challenged me being a lawyer because they're like you you say shitty stuff on here about it doesn't seem like you practice law, I will pull out my law degree. I would show you my bar number. And I would be like, I pass the bar, this is it And yeah, maybe my advice. not. I'm a bad one. So a couple of things I don't get, that's all very well said A couple things I don't get. Number one, I don't get This what makes me think she's a doctor of some sort I really, this what makes me think she's a doctor How are you going get away with it Well she's not. No, let's just listen. There's no way to get away with it. Right There's no way You You've sought success. You sought success as a doctor. Eventually Somebody is going to ask the question about whether or not you are a doctor. It is Odd thing to do Right? It's an odd thing to do That would Honestly To me You have to be fucking crazy. They'd have to be like some kind of psychosis there because like if She is saying I'm a doctor and she's going not just doing work in the community. It's not like she was at the Leo Butler commommunity Center over in Baton Rouge taking clients where nobody's going is going to be on WBRZ. She is talking to Cam Newton and talking to Nick Cannon and talking to Joe and them and talking that she is going on some of the biggest platforms around and given advice undergirding that advice in the fact that she has some kind of clinical expertise Eventually, somebody would have asked Where didd you get the shit from? What kind of doctor you are? Even if they weren't trying to indict her. They would just be curious about her background, which to me I just think If in my most charitable She got to be a doctor somewhere, right? She's got to be some kind of doctor. She's gotten away with it. She has said literally it is in our rundown Push back against the backlash. She this is what she said. her impact speaking career and work with high profile figures like Nick Cannon Cam Newton and Sannon Sharark validate her credibility more than the public opinion does. I mean, we'll see how far that goes. I'll tell you what what I'm doing right now though 're doing something that I do a lot on this podcast, by the way I'm standing up for black women I would like Cheyenne Bryant to know There iss one black man in the world that believes that she's a doctor. ' she's a Nubian queen, a black woman. She's a doctor. of the universe and in the sands of the Euphrates in the rivers of are now and of Serengeti She's a doctor of She walks with Pearls, drip,, not pearls She she she's herarl. She she's pearl. She's she's a dctor of the original people in this world, the African people. She's the Nubian queen. sister And so she is, I'm not I'm not going be here tearing a black woman down because she can't produce a degree. No. I think She's done something more than degrees. She's given us Grees Healing Those are the degrees that matter to me, Rach So you can sit over there with your doctor jurisprudence bar number. You sound like her like you can do all of that. You can do all of that. I know who knows the Cheyenne files, the Shy hive. Can I tell you something? Yeah. You're a fool Wait clear about something I be clear. I want to be clear I think that sheiv says good things. This is in no way taking away from her advice you don't have to have a doctorate. to give good advice, to be a therapist, to be a life coach That's not taking away from what she does but it is Still, it is wrong for her to use a title that it doesn't look like that she's earned. And that's where my criticism lies. But I do feel like it is an indictment. It's a characteristic. if if all of this, which point seems to be true, it is telling of who you are That's all I say. So this this is the way you get it. just you guys know You get a PhD It depends on the degree and it's a couple of different paths for a therapist to be called doctors PhD in psychology, research focus dissertation required fully earns the doctor time Uh. A doctor of psychology, clinically focused version of the same thing, Al also a legitate doctor. of education which is what Dr. Ruth had So doctor Ruth had a doctor of education in sociology didn't have any specific orial You thinktase in like you think in medicine No doct. Ruth. Oh, yeah but education, like you said, education. But she was also a sex person. so she didn't have a she had studied that stuff, but that wasn't where the doctor came from a Dr. Ruth. Yeah. And then like a PhD in counseling or social work, which is less common. but more legitimate. takes about four to seconds. And I think that's the other thing. What was her special? L what did she study? likeike what does she specialize in? We still I feel like these are things we don't know. And it's really that simple As a person who has a doctorate. Wow. It's doing that simple. No no, no, you gave her the pearls. Okay, so I'll say this, we got off this now There's a specific issue with this as it relates to black people Uh I just everybody Black people are looking for places to feel safe. Black women, particularly, are looking for places to feel safe and evenven though I don't think that we should, We still put a lot of safety in what people have earned Right? So If you get advice from all over the place, you can go to your barber shop or your beauty shop and get all types of advice on what you should do, how you should act, right? there's one thing that's always happened to black people, is people telling them what they should do. This is how you should vote This is how you should move. This is where you should go. This is where you should live. So people start searching out for people who either have the life experience, which is where I'm from thing that was actually paramount Or the educational credentials to back up what the fuck they telling you you need to do. And if you have gone on the internet for two or three years and you are telling people about their relationships and their marriages and things like that, and these are black ladies primarily who are looking out into their community and trying to figure out how they're gonna to find love, where they're gonna to find love Why they feel so pooled to find love and all of that stuff and relationship advice. then They are going to actually, I think a lot of people male and female are going to find safety in the fact that you've done the requisite work to position yourself in this way. So if Dr. Cheyenne Bryant was waking up going, what the fuck are they kicking my ass for? I feel like all my advice is good. It might be good but it might not feel safe. It might feel to some people C And that is the thing to me that black people are most afraid of. They're afraid of being ced out of their money, out of their emotions, out of all of that stuff because you could use their trauma to build yourself. Yeah. So if you got the doctorate somewhere Once again, I think you do H If you got the doctorate somewhere You need to produce that motherfuck. Yeah, it's really that that simple. This just it was was u Ay Yama doctor She used the title, right? But was she Let's see Ayana. Iil Yanna Let me see. She has her law degree. She has a law degree and a master's degree in spiritual psychologisty. She's a law degree.. And she goes by a doctor, but she's a spiritual teacher, life coach. Right. So she A jurors doctor degree Dr. R from The City University of New York' pretty good. A law and a master's degree from the University of Santa Monica Center for the study and practice of spiritual psychology So she's a legit JD, a lawyer, which means which technically is a doctorate degree. That's real and verifiable She also received honor a Divinity in two thousand. u from the in in a denominational theological that again from the inter denominational theological seminary in Atlanta. And one source indicates she later earned a doctorate in metetaphysical sciences in the University of Sedona Will somebody come out here and give Cheyenne an honorary doctorate degree Um, it just I mean you you started a beef with her, so we'll see how far. It's not a beef. It's just a simple like, just show it. If it's there, just show it And if you can't like it's It's just ridiculous. I told a girl that in Miami one time just show it if it's there There just show Yeah I'm saying you going We here now. anyway Oh this is not a beef The most memorable gifts aren't found, they're made. 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Many of the people who voted for my husband twice Twice And I know that that's how they feel. It's like this isn't This isn't about anything other than. I'm just we we need something different. They voted for Donald Trump. Yeah You know, it's a lot of people So you can't just pigeon hole them and say you just don't care and you're racist or whatever you're thinking. This is an act of I don't know what else to do I just wish we had more leaders that were figuring out how to do more for the middle class for the working folks because Those are the folks who are drowning in this economy. It's not me anymore, but I know those folks And they're good people And they don't have a way out. makes for bad choices I'm a little disappointed in what she had to say. Um Don't you dare categorize this as beef with Michelle Obama because I would never But it is disappointing to hear her say that they shouldn't be pigeonholed and she goes down the list. but one of the things she says is racist because T to say these are people who just want something different or better. I maybe could give you that in twenty sixteen. when we didn't know You could assume based on the person and businessman that Donald Trump was, how he could be in office. We are already dealing with the Berther conspiracy theory that he was throwing out there at that point. We have other examples of racism that he did, but I can say, okay, maybe because he has such a populist message that there were people who just wanted something drastically different, and that's what they were voting on, hoping for a change that would be in their direction Fine, mayaybe I'll give you that. But as we sit here in twenty twenty six for you to say that That's what they're still doing. They just want something different It just doesn't sit with me. That doesn't sit well with me. I mean Now in twenty twenty six, after everything that we've seen him do after the first administration, the way he denied losing the twenty twenty election, january sixth, then all the things that he has done that have been rooted in racism in this second term and he did it before in the first term as well, how can you sit here and say the person who still supports him and labels him as MAGA is not racist? And I just don't understand why we have to walk on eggshells sometimes to not call a person racist who supports a racist leader and who supports racist policy. What is the benefit in that? and what does that actually serve? How does that actually help the situation? Because the coddling of racist emboldens them to excuse their behavior as anything but Racist. I I'm a little tired of people because I'm not a person who throws out that somebody is a racist quickly. I really, really don't. And even when we had We got to get Keith Edwards on here. And we have that conversation. I did not agree with calling him that When we had him on, I'm not quick to do that Ke made has been. Yeah, yeah, I said that's why I said when we had him on. R. I'm not quick to do that. But if you continue to prove yourself to be that, whether it's in an overt way or a covert way by supporting voting for the person who creates this type of policy, voting for the person who harms the disadvantaged people. You are a racist. You are only voting for yourself and your benefit and not considering the others and you're voting for things that are hateful and specifically harm them, whether that's attacks on DEI, whether that's IC and what they're doing with immigration, whether that's supporting a great replacement theory, the list goes on and on and on. So it is disappointing to me that That comment was made. It would have been better off just left out. I am not excusing anybody who supports MAGA or Trump at this point. You have made your racist spad and you have to lie in it. Why do you think she said it? I have no idea. I mean playing is saf. Let's go deep into of what's happening. Why do you think she said it? It's a safe answer to me. It's a people pleasing answer to me. Now, is that why she did it Your husband isn't even in office anymore, so I don't see how It could harm you in calling us the thing what it is. And I and I This is why I get frustrated that The way that that comment was made and the handling of it is why we can't get our messaging together. We should be calling out the things for exactly what they are That's the only way things are going to change if we both sides it, if we people please, if we play it safe, we tiptoe around it. then again, like I said, it excuses people, it allows people to excuse their racism as something else when it is racist So I don't know why other than just so used to playing it safe and and to not trying to upset people I think that we have to be bold and loud where we are right now. if when Barack Obama speaks right now and he's on the campaign trail for other people, when you hear Michelle Obama, anybody who's been a past president, politician, are currently in it Everybody talks about how desperate the situation is right now. If you truly believe that You should be so frustrated, so upset, so enraged that we are in this place in our society with the corruption, with the racism, with people not being able to live as citizens in this country and an administration who's like, I don't even care about your financial situation. going to do things that continue to make mine and my allies better You cannot B What's the word? Almit sil on this on it. You cannot be safe when it comes to it. That's how we got in this position So I don't know. I don't even care why I'm mad that it was said And I'm sorry, Michelle Obama, but you got to we've You can't say we're desperate times and then be and then play it safe. The gloves are off. We have to fight it in the way that they're fighting it. That's the only way things are going to change. it will not work by just going along with the status quo. And you just made me go anti Miche Obama. No, I didn't because I think you wanted to say why she didn't. No, no, no, I'm asking That two black women I had to talk negatively about today I didn't even think about it like that Be you know they say that I can never that I can never get there. I want everybody to mark this episode. I want you to pin it save it, download it, because I don't want to hear the shit again. Rach Steele. I even had to criticize Michelle Obama. Right, which is good, by the way U It's good not to criticize Obama. But okay, can I say something about this entire deal? I thought this was very interesting Well a couple of reasons Number one H Can we go back to the Jim Cllyborurn, Jim Cllyburn? You know, I have trouble with words. Jim Clburn. I do as well. Jim Jim Clyburnne, Kamala Harris, America is in a racist country Th, canan we revisit that for one second Okay, so let's revisit that. If we were to revisit that I would see U What I would say about what I saw was that I saw two people himying and Hoing about something that we all No is true Not only is America a racist country now, which you can look at outcomes and all types of different systemic dysfunction and make that determination right now, in America, white supremacy is not the shark, it's the ocean. Okay, the shark. is swimming through But the shark is aided and breathing the oxygen that he gets from the ocean. The ocean provides the shark with what it needs to kill America, white supremacy is the ocean provides everyone what they need to kill solidarity, to kill uprising, to kill upward mobility. And it's been like that since the beginning. It's the ocean, not the shark k't Co. You can't farm. the You have to change the ocean. You know what I mean? You have to change the system. the ecology is what you have to do. I firmly believe that. So I believe that America is inherently a racist country. and there is very little historical analysis that could be done in good faith in way. to refute that in any way to refute it. So way there it goes. Okaykay, fine. So I believe that's a obvious truth I think for Mrill Obama And even her husband, this truth is less obvious the reason why it's less obvious is because they w an election, two elections They won two elections, right People voted for a black family And then in sixteen those people Not all of them. But some of them for sure, voted for Donald Trump. then they watch people vote for Joe Biden And then they watched people once again vote for Donald Trump So an analysis of the voting trends of America says that If they are all races, then at times they forget that they are Now, I do think There is a difference Let me say this I don't think that there is a difference, but I know that some people think that there is a difference between people who are racists. and don't mind racism There's not a difference. I think that people think that there is I don't think that I am because I am a victim of racism. have been a victim of racism, a victim of systemic dysfunction So I think if you cool with it, you wanted them. ' something that we have to come to terms with is way more people than we think might not be might not define themselves as racists, might care about the right things that we think they should care about, might be able to chill with us, might not in any way discriminate against us, but if somebody else was doing it and it benefited them, they wouldn't care So That T me is what I think Michelle Obama is trying to speak to. She's trying to speak to a a disaffected voter puts themselves and what they want above the humanity above the living standard. or the living freely of people that they share their community with. And I think the reason why she's said this was she's been so clear in the past about the way she feels about people going low, about how she feels about the White House being built by slaves. is that I think There's an actual point of t she' flummx I think There are a lot of people who feel like Just calling them racist. is not working You're not like just just call because they don't think that they are Just calling them racist is not working. And I think that this is part of a strategy and a tone shift. that you are going to see That tone shift is going to be two foold. One, it's going to be to slightly move particularly The center left of the party away from identity politics away from politics that are directly, you know, I know everybody listens to our audience knows listens to us knows well identity politics. But away from politics are directly aimed at one group of people and telling them what they applied are And A class politic or a a u Political not softening realignment issue specific type of talking And the reason why they're doing that is because they feel like the other thing lost They feel like coming out and trying to make everybody feel bad that Chan to me Ar I feel good about the fact that the Trump supporters are racist and making the Trump supporters feel bad about being racist didn't work. Actually what you got out of it was like N word influencers What you got out of is people that went fuck it. I'm a racist and I can say what the fuck I wantan to say And you got a bunch of people that you could not get through to any way, shape or form I'm not saying that that's the right way to go I'm not saying that I even agree with what she's saying I'm saying that stuff like this is what people are going to get over the next year, over the next two years over the next three years And the question is whether or not we will kick these people's ass for saying it. I'm not saying that we shouldn't I'm not saying that we should I'm saying that the old playbook of these people are racists seexist Oh ghouls that we in no way can live with or talk to I think you're going to see people coughish from that becausecause they feel like they they had they shot They shot And they missed and because they missed A lot of shit happened. and one of the things that happened end on this is Michelle and Barack Obama. had to watch those people tryry with all of their might undo his legacy to undo everything, not just politically Culturally that the election of the Obama family supposedly meant for America And they're trying to figure out what the fuck happened And it's easy easy answer because it's always the same answer for us. It is. we get it. We understand. Man, you could ask me a bunch of different questions You can ask me a bunch of different questions I want race, race, race, race, race. I have to challenge myself to think outside of that box to think about people in terms of their class, their experiences and all of that stuff. and I can't always do it. A actuallyctually, you guys know, I very rarely do it I think that Michelle Obama and Barack Obama and a lot of the intelligencecy are not just in this part of the Democratic Party. M to the left of him is going to try and I' just be honest. I keep looking at Graam Platner I keep looking at Grand Planner Graham Platner the left My beloved lefties Please Tell Graham Platinner to speak to somebody Black Please, they don't even like I'd say this like as far as my agreements. And where I find myself politically and my belief on the left side of the sphere of things moving left One thing I will say is sometimes I feel like They decentralize black needs so much to the point to where There's no actual black representation. There's like no need to speak to or about or directly through black people at all There's nothing. Right now You see members of the squad, you see Summer Lee, you see all types of people Summer Le even touch on this what we had on the podcast But when you look at somebody that had a Nazi insignia on his chest,'s no different then because people are telling me's like, hey, Van, you know, like a lot of my lefty friends not far left, not my revolutionary lety friends. They were mad about the Tom Styre interview. But a lot of them are saying, hey B billionaire is a billionaire I can look at them about Platinir and say, Hey, a Nazi is a fucking Nazi And if you're asking me right now to give a Nazi a chance or somebody that had a Nazi tattoo and explain it Explanations all seem okay They seem okay when he's talking to Hassan. they seem okay when he's talking to Sam. They seem okay when he's talking to Kyle. They seem o say okay when he's talking to you know, Sam and Emma, all of the people out there Crystal All of ' them He hasn't sat down with anyone That to me to me. Like gets their head kicked in in this country for that type of imagery being made mainstream or being accepted by the white boy, jug head type of jar headad type of situation and had that conversation At least to fame that he cares So to me, there are racial problems All over this. people in my opinion want to know retely peopleople understand the level of racism that exists in America It's very important It's very important to black people that people go, Hey, guess what But we didn't choose to live here culture isn't the problem We have a beautiful, resilient, amazing culture. Our culture is positioned as a problem that positioning is nudged up against American systemic reality. and on the end, we take the loss Yet we smile, yet we move through yet we contribute Yet we innovate And so I think we always want to get into this have this conversation about how we call it out. For her. I just think They are so based And what they see As inconggruent political reality that they're going, it's got to be something else and we got to find out what it is And they're going to start trying stuff. They're going to say disaffected voters. There's going to be a little bit of election tampering type of situations that you hear about, like how some of these races are going You're going to hear economic stuff But what I hope that they end up doing is trying to reach out with a class conscious populist message that try to get people that tries to get people on the same page. And that is fine And I think that you can do that and accomplished exactly the last part of what you said about a message that is about class and a populist message without saying MGa isn't racist or however she phrased it, I'm paraphrasing That could have been left out I just think that You don' have to you don't have to say that as well as a part of it. We don't know why she said it that way. We're guessing, but I do hope at the end of the day with all you that you said, I hope that the message does become simpler And I hope that U and effective. That's really the to say it. before we get off this Let ask you this. When she says Maga. in this Do you think she's talking about? The thirty seven percent of people I'm sorry, guys, they rises Theyre thirty se Yes, the racist. That thirty seven percent that we talked about before they racist man.. They rac No,m, you know, it's me. I'm trying to expand the ideas I'm trying to expand the ideas. thirty seven percent That thirty seven percent is a motherfucker. Right thirty seven percent That syinem to Alligator Alcatrraz percent That percent is a motherfucker, okay? That rollack your voting rights percent, that percent right there Dim. Th motherfuck is' something else that Yeah. That Lishia is gonna crash a plane perit That personcent is a motherfuck. So who are you asking me if I'm talking about? Is or she do I think she's talking about? Is she talking about? very Trump voter. Is she saying when she says MAaga, is she talking about that thirty seven percent? Well, she said they're not all racists. So she's got to be talking about Republican. Does she does she say when she says thirty seven percent is she talking about just those die hards or is she talking about anyone that might have voted for President Tp? I think she's talking about anyone who voted for President Trump, which is why. I think that she phrased it that way because I think that there are people believe because they just because they voted for him doesn't make them MAGa I think there are Republicans who truly are like I voted for him, but I'm not I'm not in not Republicansre about Republicans Th think aboutents and like and just people like that. Yeah, but again King what you know In twenty twenty four, if you voted for him You got you got sprinkles of racism in racist Anbody that casts a vote for Trump races. At this point Yes. Especially when we knew especially we already knew about Project twenty twenty five. You knew what was that like. on Come on You just didn't think it was going to be that bad, right? What are they what are the people? What are the Andrew Schultz say? I didn't think it was going to be that bad.von says that to me. I didn't think he was going to do that No, you were again, weve said a tim to face You were voting for your interest. Yes, because you were only concerned about what it was going to do for you. And you if you were only concerned about what it's going to do for you and you don't care how That is the goal, not caring how it impacts other people What else do you want to call that? Right? I think though that Michelle I'm not tiptoeing around it anymore. I'm tipting around it Rac. No one's asking you to tipte. I not. Put your toes all T tired. I'm tired of dancing around like like the degrees of racism I'm tired of being like what did you say? No you can' I can't dance b d.'s too hard. dance. I'm saying you can't dance. You dance who you dancing for? 'ause that could be considered, you know? Well, I'm not is the thing. Youver dance with Brian? dance We dance I mean, you know, we did his stuff What What? Don't make me more upset. All right, look we gott to go. Look, we didn't even get to Jeff Bezos. Why? He thinks we're stupid. I'm not doing it. I'm not I'm's lush fun all you want to talk about this I think it's no, no, I think it's like already been what's been said's been said. It's The one point seven one point seven seven six. You properly The number obviously relates to seventeen seventy six, but I mean, I feel like everything's been said. and I kind of alluded to it when I was like, you should be outraged in the fact that, you know You got the slush fun over here And he doesn't care about your financial situation over here. I've already said it, you know? I don't think he can be legally challenged It's going to happen Like I know that there are police officers who were there january sixth who were challenging it under the fourourteenth Amendment Um, but It is what it is. Billion dollars laawsuit which I just, I do want to say this Todd Blanche Trump's personal attorney who is now will probably be the attorney general, whichs just stop there is just wild. The president's personal attorney is about to be the attorney general. That's insane right there. But he's like, well, this might be unusual that we're doing this, but it's been done before. And he refers to what President Obama did with the Native Americans when they, I think they sued the Department of Agriculture, but that had been something that had been in the works in the court system for years And the settlement, what they were awarded was awarded by a judge and it was awarded directly to the people that were saying they were harmed. That is not what's happening here. Trump sues IRS, they settle on him making this fund for people who were not even a part of the lawsuit, That is unprecedented. So stop there. Then the other part of it is, which adds to the corruption, the people who decide who's going to get the money. There's no There's no standard, right? They can just pass it out however they want. fiveive people Oh put on the board have whatever that is, these five commissioners thesob there's really nothing else to say about it other than he continues to show you that We're in a deficit. We can spend billions of dollars on a war. We can take away your health care. We can take away money from education. We can take away money from, you know aid to other countries. We can take away money in all these other places, but we can find a billion dollars for people who are allegedly wronged by the government that you will pay for, by the way. And why? Because he doesn't care about your financial situation It's just worth another thing you should just be outraged by There's only one thing I gota say about it H It's interesting to me. I think the whole thing is really interesting becausecause like, Why people keep finding money to pay white people when they've been done wrong by the government They always find a way to make themselves whole Well This is for everybody though. Well, allegedly What I'm saying is that Something happened And in order to take care of people that you think matter You create a one point eight billion dollars fund So they get their bread So they can get redress or something that you think happened to them. That is unjust. Care about that. you care about keeping that coalition of people together and believing in what it is that you're saying. So when something that you think, erroneously happened to them that was unfair Hey him pay them, then you rely on the fact They will get those payments. Be made whole when it is time to be made whole That'll make them betteretter Well, loyal more engaged citizens No, to them to him too whomever to whatever you got going on. Right now, you are the government So I just find it really interesting the amount of money that America can find to pay the people who they think have been wronged when those people aren't black when those people aren't people whose ancestors tilled built And then were defraud, debanked. Denfranchised for years and said, Hey, We need a little bit of what we got back Well, they should they should apply They should apply because I would actually want people to do this, people who were wrong through ice, all of this. And then let's just see Who gets the money and who doesn't? My point is that America makes a way of course for the people that they believe are Americans I'll say it again. America makes a way for the people that they believe are Americans They made a way for the slave owners who owned your great great parents black asses. They thought that they were Americans. They believed that they were Americans This is named the seventeen seventy six Fun. This is one it's not named that, but it's one point seven. This is the American fund for Americans that they believe were treated unfairly by America. That is essentially And it's of black people have been asking for For generations, Americans done wrong by America that want redress for having done been done wrong by America And There's never enough money There's never enough will. There's never enough conversation. But I could point to this. And many other examples when actual Americans done wrong by this country America pays them back Well And to further your point The number, one point seven seven six is almost an o two The America that they wish they still had. which is why it's benefiting It's benefiting the Americans. from seventeen seventy six. Those are the type of people who benefit. but everybody should apply. Also like No I'm not that I tell you I tell you what hereere you go. Gotta go H they I wanted to be known after this part Hula po black women Nart. Bennard, you had a chance You had a chance to to jump in on behalf of Chan Bryant You could have said that you would have studied with her, you'd help her You got a chance to jump in on behalf of Michelle Obama But you didn't, But I tell you what, when we was talking about Chelsea Handler, I saw you grabbing for that mic You're never gonna live it down. Benard, you need to check yourself. You say your girl, she's Lebanese Damn, she got all kinds of problems right now Oh you feel like you feel a kinship with her. You feel a oneness with her because of that. You guys talk about How you? You feel You think that makes it okay You never Tiffany got your asss right. Tiffany came in here. Tiffany was on fire. Chout Tiffany Cross, man. I Tiffany Cross. Cross Crossed up All right guys, we gotta go But Nahar searching for himself. we did the whole thing today We didn't miss anything. didn't Donn., you guys anything about the pons before we go? No Oh, o, hold on for a second. There's one thing we do have to touch on before we leave. I just want to say something real quick It would be remiss of us not to talk about the horrific terrible unconscciable shooting that happened at a mosque down in San Diego. We will go deeper into this on Monday with a guest There's a guest restot wants to come talk about this because It is being, in my opinion, purposeully underreported about the threats to Muslim people. all over this country, Islamophobia that is running rampant all over this country, all over this world in the wake of what has happened. and we want to cover it in depth today, but we're going to have a guest on Monday. Not on Monday because it's a holiday. Not on Monday because it's a holiday. told them Monday and I fucked up Let's guess what happened But I'm so glad you told him that because we do need to talk about it so many times other Other attacks against groups of people are made mainstream And when it comes to Islamophobia, it's not talked about in the same way. and that's just the truth. And the truth also is, to your point, it's on the riseight. So it's on the rise. definitely. the only reason why we're not diving deepper into this is because we have a passionate guest that wants to come and discuss this and get into the ins and outs of it, but we did not want to make Our Muslim listeners feel like we did not see them and we do not feel their pain. and we also also see the way that this has been covered in mainstream media on places like Fox where I saw this lady talk about some of them We'll talk about it all We get what's happening, We understand what's happening. We feel you, we hear you. And we will we will donate some time, not just to this particular appalling act of violence, but also to the Islamophobia violence that this community is under in general. So we will do that on the next high learning. Okay. Take you think caps off do not stop learning on V Leny Junr.'m Rachel B Lindsy. guys Hey, it's Ry Renold from MitMobile. 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