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Yall got y your thought wors? What is up Hire leararn is on is I Van Luther Junror. And it's me Rachel andn Lindse. Okay, we got Jamail Hill talking about J Z and Target in a second. It's a good conversation. It's a nuanced conversation, which I feel like is necessary around this. Some people listen want to hear us go in on Rock Nation and J Z. someome people want to hear me. They think we're obsessed. We try to have a good conversation. We did But back to what you were saying I don't know many guys that I would want. I don't know I don't have a whole bunch of friends. Let me set this. Van said to me he's been trying to get guys to date me, which makes me sound desperate. It' notense That's not what I said. Okay, why did you say it What I said was win There's a guy that I think is eligible that's like going come on the podcast. I'll say, yeah, you should come on the podcast And then you should also take Rel out on a date So I repeat, Van said and back me up Jade Bernard, Jade is back guy. She's takaking. She's been gone for weeks Tes back. Well, y'all remember Jade. I saw Jade yesterday.c to. Welcome back, Jade. Now. She's been doing a thing. Jade, did he not say I've been trying to get guys to date Rachel I didn't say that at all. I actually didn't say that for true. What I said was Maybe I did say that. You did Okay And I said and I know you don't mean this, but I said, Oh my response was, o, that makes me sound desperate. and because you haven't brought anybody to me, I was like, does nobody want to date me? Okay, so this is the deal What I I haven't been trying to get guys to date, Rachel. lot pllenty of guys reach out to me Date Rachel I haven't been trying to get guys get r. What I'm saying is sometimes a guy will say, Hey, I want to come in a podcast if he's a nice guy if he's successful is I would go, hey, when you come on a podcast also take Rachel on a date. And by the way, there was somebody that I actually that we had an interview here not too long ago that I was like, Hey, wouldn't be a bad idea if you went on a date that guy, You know I'm talking about Yeah, yeah, you did say. Right. So like, so yeah, that's what I'm saying. But what you didn't ask me is you said How many actual good guys do I know That single that single you would really want to see me date. Right. And here's the thing This is my deal. Maybe if we were having this conversation, I know, not true I don't know and hang around. toooo many people that I wouldn't want you to date I don't know all these. I'm not wit A lot of these niggas that people are with, you know, people like, you know how people have a homie? and it's like Yeah home you do a little heroin. Like I'm not. Why I don't mean that? Becauseuse there's a difference you might not be privy to this, right? Becauseuse sometimes you don't know how your friends, your single friends are in relationships But somebody can be a good person and a good friend, but they might be different in a relationship. like do could I really see That person being a good partner for Rachel, I guess is what I'm saying. becausecause it's not how theyre a friend to you. There's a difference what I know is But I've seen these guys around women Okay I don't know I don't know how they are in relationships, but also I don't know how you are in a relationship. You know what's funny? And so like I'm so opposite what people think that I am It's it's it's It might be slightly problematic because I'm a tourist and I'm so loyal to a fault. Yeah. And so I think people think I'm one way And I'm not going to say it's a persona because that is me, but I'm totally different in a relationship than I think people realize that I am. For example, all of my guys My guysys in LA. Who are my guys in L.A if you know Bernard is my guy in L.A. Okay, Bernard is my guy in LA. Wh who are my guys in LA? Well, you got made entertainment. You got milk You got Mark You guys Sean You got dam. You got Frz if I ever see Franz again. You got all my people. You got Cam, you got Arky. You got all my homies I play basketball with. You got the midnight boys These are my guys in LA. good guys. These are theseese are my guys in LA. You mean to tell me think that I would hesitate And having you go on a date with Vic You ever meet Vic You never made Vig before? B dressed guy in LA, stylist likes to shoot the ball. We're talking about Vue sometimes. You might Vic is that guy I was telling you about. Vic is the guy that like you dated to Vic. I don't know if G going to court with Vic and you go, okay, Vic going to get his shots up. let's just sho some screens, right? But Vic also will make the flashy pass. but Vic is my guy, a great guy, a genuine human being. Okaykay? I just also think you know, I'm just not ready for all of that. Do you think I would have a problem if you went out with You think I would have a problem If you went out with Sean Dickerson No, I think he would love that. I would love that. Who do I like more than Seaan Dickerson in the world? Oh you love you look Sean can get you out the house. Se That's how I know you love you S Sean. Oh, I got a story to tell about Sean. Okay, so look, go ahead. tellell the story because I got a phone call. Where was I Turks? interterrupted my vacation. So me and Seaan Dickerson are out on what's called the town. Me and Sean Dickerson. Now let me tell you what it's like when you're out on the town with Sean Dickerson Shaan Dickerson Dobs in Mbo He does. We have allready We've allreadyitt in the Maybox, right So I have a new car and I'm very proud of this new car. Very nice This is a very nice car, but You pull up to Sean's crib I pull up the Seaans crib you look and in the front there's a Maybox And you're like, oh shit, we about to ride around. You don't think about the type of attention that you get when you're in a car like that. until until. Be I know ridiculously wealthy people in Los Angeles, like super fucking rich. They don't own cars like that. I think Anthony might have one, but they don't, they don't own cars like that. That's not kind of car they have So we get in the car pull up to this hotel Be we we're going to go check out this pool partark Th the pool part is called the Eespresso pool party. You met the girl. So shout out to her. She's getting a pool party and starting some people up there. L look like a nice vibe and the whole nine. She's really cool. So she's cool person. So shout out to her. y'all check her pool party out if you're here to at the Godfrey Hotel All right, so me, Sean get there getting the M back. peoplee look at you. they're like, who's You know, Sean is used to the Maybox situation. I'm not really used to it.. So when you're a Maybox nigger This is how you do when you're a Mayb Nigga. When you a Mayb Nigga, when I when I when I valet my car All My car is nice, but when I valuue my car, I'm very, very sweet and out goingo to the valley people. Hey, how are you? Yeah, Keyss inside. Yeah, man. cool. Areciate you later on. Nice. cool. When you have the M by Saan just goes. You don't look anybody directly in the eye. No like Sean just goes Not the valet, not the people staring at you. But with respect though. he just goes, boom. and yeah, that is my key change. have to fuck up. Like it is it's just no this' just a fuck up guys my shot. Okay, It's like I got my thing, I got my punching bag. I got the Mercedes bins. Okay? I got all of that stuff, but this is my key sh. Seanwn don't had that. Sewn just got the made back key. how know the key appreciate you all like whatever everyverybody's looking at' trying to see, whoo the fuck is that guy? And it', oh my God, his van is like, we know van ain't getting it like that. So that must be adance fucking handler or agent or somethingbody. So we go up, we go out to the pool party. We have a drink. say hello to everybody top of the Godrey. We leave and come down the elevator of the pool party We're talking about, well were out, we have a day. What are we going to do now Me and Seaan Dickerson, what would we do now s let's go hit Harry. Let's have some drinks Fraser Tharpe from GQ comes out and meets us. We' out there. We're having a fun time we're chilling When we get to the bottom floor Cool party The door opens And I see Brian. That would be my ex I see Brian, I see Rachel's. E Brian Looks like you might have grown an inch or two, honestly. So you're saying he's wearing lifts. Whatever Um I see Rachel's ex Brian. Sean looks and Sean goes van was that energy? Because when I see him, I just kind of give them the The h I'm just There's a little bit eomsicism. and And San goes Van. Like we literally get to the door of vanges Who is that And I'm like, what you mean He was like, who is that? He was like, Van, I see you when you see people you know. He's like, Bro, I saw you to a guy that used to work at Chick filt. I actually saw a guy with Wwn one time that used to work at Chick Fil that now has booked some acting stuff. I was so happy for this guy. He used to serve me at Chick Fil A all the time. sometometimes hit up with a couple of extra nuggets to give. He's like, yeah, he was like, whoo is that guy? And I was like That's ratials X. And San was like, o shit So we in the Mayback. Me and Sean, may back my box, whatever the fuck it's called. We into my box We're driving. Wait, what was his reaction when he saw you? He just went Yeah He just kind of he just he just went. I mean, he had sunglasses on, but his face my face changed. He just went Hey, like, what's up? Like this is this was eventually going to happen. So then I'm I'm I don't want to say Niggles was right like so we walk out and Seaan was like, Should we go back and just like say stuff You know, shout out to Sean. Sean was like,hould we go back and just say stuff? I said no, So we driving in the Maybox And now I got to gossip 'use I'm an old hen Okay. So now I got to gossip. I call Kaliga, I call you. racels and Turks I call Rachel like, Oh Rachel, Rachel, Rachel, Rachel picks up the phone. I'm like guess what just happened? Guess it just happened. I just saw Brian. Rachel comes up with all kinds of nefarious things that we could have done and all that type of shit. Now me and Sean Dickerson we out on the street Sean said, Sean made a joke that was like Very, very funny, but you probably wouldn't think that was that funny What do you saying I don't think that we should do the joke But you said. But you say, okay, because you made a joke? Oh no, mayaybe I should take it. What did I say? Do you remember the joke that you made I was lit. I was drinking from my family. was drinking Rachel was drinking and Rachel said that what we should have said was that When we saw him, you should have been like, Yeah, yeah, I'm going over to Rachel's house later on tonight. Yeah Rachel saiding that, you should have said that. And Sean was like, nah, you can't go like that Um, like you got to go harder than that if you wanted to get his attention. Sewn said what I what what you should have said is Seaan, you going to see Rachel yes last night and then later on tonight And then And I should say that and then he should say, Yeahah, man, and the throat is glorious. Okay, I'm glad he did ask Yikes. I'm gonna tell you something offline. and I can't tell you, but that's ' crazy. That's funny. but it's funny. But we went to Harry H had a good des was it? Harry's here Miss. wasas it popping Harris is cool. But when me and Sean go, this is the thing about me and Sen Dickerson, by way, you guys are out here in L.A. he does a party every week Every Wednesday it's called Sadedik. So good. It's a good party. They're not gonna let you in. Yeah. get dressed up. You could get a table get dressed up and try to go. You might, you know, if if you if you have one of the M parties and you catch milk O Robby You might get you might get some love if Dv and Dev is out there or V Db is out there. These are the face shut your shit down. Shout out to my man, A Db two. See, all of these guys are great guys. I would not hesitate to introduce a woman to any of these guys Adib is a great man. That's a great guy. He's got a whole beautiful family. You say it, I believe you. great dudes, right But uh but yeah, so, you know, we saw him, then we went and we we talked to we sit down and we drink Uh white wine spritzers with Saint. Germaine in them and just talk about movies Eat and talk about movies in life, me and sh. I love that you had a night out or day out on the town. See, like I like when fans outside come come join us more outside I feel like you've messed up my week though You' such 'use I get good sleep that night and then I didn't get good sleep the next night It's worse And then you don't get good sleep 'use like I had too many, I had drinks, they went to poppy Seaan and Frazier with a poppy. I'm gonna to be honest, I' had good sleep in maybe three weeks. For real? Truth, truthfully. like that is the truth And I feel fine. Not like that's probably not good for me, but it's worth it for an experience, like to have a good time I'd rather just sacrifice my sleep. I'll make it up I just e a day. 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So incumbent mayayor Bass, we did talk about this that she finished in first with roughly thirty four point three percent of the vote. But when we did talk about it Spencer Pratt was in second place. So what's happened since then, City cououncil member Nithia Rahan secured second place with about twenty nine percent while Spencer Pratt came in third with twenty five point five percent and he conceded So Spencer Pratt has conceded there was obviously a really sllimsy and pathetic attempt from the right to cast aspersions on the validity of this election. claiming voter fraud just because they didn't like the way the election was going Well, how do they feel about Hilton then making a throw? I mean, that's the whole thing. Like people peopleople had to continuously do these mental gymnastics because it was like, well Hilton got through. Steyer did not get through Right Hilton got through and people were like There is This voter fraud, but it's happening just in Los Angeles County. Kind of doesn't make a sense. You get the stuff. It's all on the same ballot. The delayed voting exists all over the state. There are structural reasons as to why California has delays in its counting process Could you make arguments that reforms could be made to speed that up. Certain but it is a gigantic state actually promotes male in balony. And so countount g finish when the count going finish. I got an email directly to my phone letting me know the moment my vote was counting. They know me, they know exactly where I'm at, exactly where I voted and all it. In person or maail. No, no. wait you mean I the ballot dropped the ballot. Oh, you dropped bot. So I went in person. I dropped the ballot in the dropbox and then that Friday I got a text saying, Hey, your vot's been c. Oh nice. Yeah. I didn't get I went in person. That's a Romin vote I know you said you wereing voting left of Bass. I voted for Bass. But I know that I went in person because I just love it. I love to go in person. I love. I love to do election day. I had to do it early this year But I kept getting text messages, text messages that said I had not voted which I appreciated And then when I voted, they stopped. They they were saying, Hey, Yeah. They were like,t see you haven't vot y. haven't vot yet. Um Did you think that Spincer Pratt was going You know, he started out when the votes came in at first and H a little bit of a lead over Nthia. Did you think that he was going to pull it out? or did you were you always kind of pretty confident that it was going to be too Democrats move. I would be lying if I said that I was confident because like anyone else, I am susceptible, susceptible, Sceptible. susceptible to noise on the internet And so the noise on the internet But at this particular and we should say why. like Trump was against Hillary in twenty sixteen There were a lot of people that evenven though the polling kept showing that Hillary was going to win, a lot of people there were saying, haveave you paid attention to the size of Trump rallies Have you paid attention to the amount of media coverage that Trump is getting? There are people that told me that race began to tighten even amongst the traditional polling towards the end of it. There were people that were saying, Hey, it's going be a tight race and he's got a shot, but I don't think anyone ever actually envisioned that that could happen, right? So in that particular case, the noise was actually served by the result of the election. And there are all kinds of other things that were involved there. that weren't involved here. But I remember talking to someone that assured me that Hillary's ground game was so good that Donald Trump could not beat her And then he beat her. Yeah. And she was a particularly weak candidate with people and particularly disliked candidate to a degree that I don't think we even understood from a gener I was filming the bachelor during that time. I missed all the lead up into it. And with Spencer Pratt It just wasn't something that could be discounted. The mas never worked for him, but he everyone was talking about him. He seemed to be at a point the most consequential voice in the entire election. the only person that people were really listening to what they said. Yeah. We hope to have Cncilwoman Raman on. Sure. But the reality is At this point Nobody cares what she says Like she actually does herself a disservice Almost whenever she opens her mouth if we're being honest. And I voted for because of a collection of policies and how I believe she's actually parts of the city, but She is not very good as an orator. But I think some of that is she threw her name in at the very last second. So and she had already kind of endorsed Mayor Bass. So it's just like how much thought thinking did you have going into deciding to the race, I didn't think she ran a good campaign at all. anytime that she was in a debate, at least the debate that I saw, I did not think that she represented herself well. She didn't come across as confident in her policy. She couldn't assert them in ways that the other candidates could. I needed to know more for me for her, you had to really do your research because it wasn't coming across. And maybe it will sitting down in podcast format, I'd be eager to hear her talk about like what her policies and all of that are and her belief and you know, why she decided to run against Karen Bass at the last minute and all of that. But to your point, yeah, like it just, so I wonder how much the vote that she got was for her or was it in protest of Spencer Pratt and was it a strategic move in order to advance two Democrats I wonder that. U, But to your point A Spencer Prat The reason I got nervous is because So many people with big platforms and voices that did live. I know there was a lot outside L.A. noise, but they did live here were in favor of him. He really did a good social media campaign of playing off he ran a social media campaign of grievances, of playing off the grievances and the vulnerability of people who suffered a great tragedy when it came to the loss when it came to the fires And that really resonated with people. And then there because of that and other things, there's such a dislike for Karen Bass that he was spewing certain things out there. someome true, some not true that also allowed people to say, you know what Let me vote for him. Somebody one person told me their vote for him was a protest against the system. I'm like, well, that's not Well, I mean, look, Here's a deal There is we talked about this when we when we discussed the difference between LA in New York and how who I believe has cultural control of each city, right? New Yorkers control their culture and they will rebel against anyone who tries to control their culture and kick what is a New Yorker out of their city. They don't realize that billionaires have a gigantic part to play in what New York is, it's the financial hub of the entire world. But at the same time New Yorkers want The parade today to define what is New York. Yeah. as much as anything else. Keep us If there's anything popping off from the parade, let us know, y'all It. Everybody in my m out there and we know that, but just if some new something newsy pops off Yeah, but you know, I might have underestimated Los Angeles in terms of the fact that they don't want Spencer Pratt to define Los Angeles. And I also think that there were a lot of people were sort of offended by the idea That's Spencer Pratt . had What you undoubtedly. undoubtedly, a compelling start to his campaign. Sure. A compelling start. here's a person that has lost their home during the fires. and has seen firsthand what the dysfunction of a major American city is and wants to run the change in it I do think that there were people who felt like at the end that he thought that they were dumb because he didn't come with anything of substance. Ugird what he was saying. Right. There was like a really beautiful book cover And then when you turn the pages, empty, empty, rightight? And they were like We're not disaffected enough with Los Angeles or this city or this state to vote for that. And all over the country there are people who are There people who just vote for the thing on top and even if the stuff in the middle, if there is stuff in the middle it doesn't work for them. They vote for. they vote off identity and stuff. There's just not enough Billy Bushes and Doug Aens and Adam Corollas in L.A to make Spencer Prot the mayor. Yet same more I will say this bothoth Los Angeles And California as a whole are not being run well Yeah. Los Angeles California as a whole are not being run well And if the Democrats Wh are the power in this state Do not take The living standards of the average Angelino and Californian into consideration. if they don't care about bringing production jobs to this city and to this state if they don't care about healthca If they don't care about standard of living, if they don't care about educational standard, if they don't care about those things They will lose charismatic Republican, not just statewide, but in L.A Cy as well because people can only take so much and anybody that tells you This city and this state are being run well right now. They're lying to you. I understand all of the challenges. Right and the years of building and the years of building. But what I am saying is right now Right now, I live here Right now LA. and statewide We need to do a better job I could not agree with you more. and'm glad you acknowledge the other parts of it as well I think from this campaign in particular, Well, and even looking at what's happening with the governor's race, I think it's of note You know, Hilton probably not going to win Prat's already been pushed out, but the fact that he had so much momentum. So much attention, so many people willing to look put aside what he represents and who he is in order to use their vote as protests to the system So what they don't like that's happening in the state. Wh are you laughing for the what's happening with the with the city Okay, with the city, with the state, the fact that people are willing to vote against that shows that there is a growing sentiment within the city and within the state and really within this country. It's how we got Trump So we can't just be like, oh great, we survivive this race. You need to because this is how you got in trouble with Trump the first time in twenty sixteen. You need to pay attention to the sentiment of the people because to your point I don't think that Next time They won't run a prat, right? They'll run a Caruso type again. If Caruso had run one If Caruso had run, he probably would be he definitely would be in the runoff. Caruso probably would have been in the run. Yeah. he definitely would have been the runoff. So what will happen is they will put a Caruso type up next or somebody like it or maybe in between a sppencer and a Cuso. and it might not be the same. So to me, it's like just pay attention to what the people are saying What do people want? Go ahead. get You got the sneaky face on You're You're about to drops. What are you drop What Things don't in the next four years Where you going? I'm going to run We can talk about that later Can I tell you something? I'm being one million Okay percent Serious. If things don't shape up in the next four years. Are we talking city or state? I'm talking about mayor of Los Angeles. Okay. I'm talking about mayayor of Los Angeles I'm going to run I don't doubt you So guys, please step up to because I not because I don't think you're capable because It doesn't matter. Well, you're capable than some of the candidates in the race This is why I say, please step up because if you run, I have to be involved. Yeah. and not because like you're my brother city attorney. You know,', they don't want me to do the city attorney. Act, you know what, I come from roots my dads city attorney Dallas City attorney. There's no way that I'm going to let my brother run and not be involved in your campaign And I don't want to be involved in politics So we got we got we got about four years to shape. Get it together. Get it together. Okay, well moving forward Be we get to news a day We now have Bath bath. Bath versus ramen Um Karen Bass O The primary by about five percentage points Mhm thirty four. n If you're Nithi or Ram You have to think that if the votes that were cast for you were votes that were cast Legitimately because people want you to be the mayor and not because people who want this piter Press not to be the mayor, then you have to believe you can win Having said that? The most likely outcome here is that Karen Bass wins reelection Oh It's going to be pretty easy. unless some scandal comes out. whichich you never know about. Well, Spencer's teasing it. Right like you never know about. He' saying's gonna drop something things. should have done that before in the primary for you to give yourself a chance. I'm so doubting it. All the rich dicks that wanted to that wanted their puppet in the Mors Office, the mayayor's home Over there in Hancock Park, notot yet Holding I hope. It ain't gonna be meeta I can't wait to run, man You have a slogan ready? Huh You have a slogan ready? Funk with me, LA. Fuck with your boy That's the slogan. This is the dance This is the Lathan for Mor Dance What what I'm saying? Laen for man twenty thirty, fuck with me LA., fuck with your boy We bring him back. Let me tell you what my platform is So we bring him back we bring in we bring in twenty twelve back, man. firstirst platform. we bring it back Supper Club We bring him back Grystone. We bring him back Emerson Hey, if y'all want Hollywood back Hollywood nightlife, remember to go get them boys. if y'all want that if y'all want that shit back fuck with me Fuck with me if you want housing back. Fuck with me if you want medical fuck with me if you want fun back. if you want LA back, if you want that feeling back. You know what I'm saying? Fuck with me. I'm gonna start a connection Fr here to the bay, the yadta I mean connection What's good for L.A is good for the bay What's good for the bay is good for LA. We going start the man look. I got a h Yeah I can't wait listen, affordability. Affordability. I want to hear it. Yeah. Affordability. We're gonna start doing all kinds of drastic affordability stuff. Trust telling you, if your house is worth over, if you don't want to help with homelessness And your house is over fifteen million dollars, worth over fifteen million dollars imminent domain We havent some homel homeless people live with you Some unhoused people That is not imminent domain. imminent domain. We're gonna take the houses We're going to take the houses. And then that ADU that you written out Now man, we're giving that to someone and we going know another thing I'm gonna do thought here is the last part of of my pitch. Okay in LA You will be able to ride Are you not allowed to You can't do it now because the roads are so bad And if you put a happen to my coffee in your cup holder that the hot coffee is going spill on you But I'm going to actually do something where in ad where I ride around Beverly Hills, which is a place where you ride around and you can ride with a cup of hot coffee in Beverly Hills and that coffee will never spill on you.. But as soon as you get outside of Beverly Hills, going north, south, east or west, can't really go north out of Beverly Hills. You've going over the hill As soon as you get out, the roads get so bad that that coffee going spill all over yourself. I'm a makeaker to where anywhere in LA, you can ride with the hot coffee. I approve this message. I'm one of those people who rides with a mug Like I have a hot mug. I don't have the top on. I don't do all of that. I have a mug, open mug The amount of times that I've spilled coffee on myself,m for it, I prove. All right Hi Police is fucking up again, this is a tough st Yeah. yeah, this is really sad. A Mississippi police officer has been placed on administrative leave after fatally shooting one year old Cohen Wiley. during a confrontation outside of a Walmart The incident began when officers responded to a reported shoplifting call involving diapers. According to investigators, officers attempted to stop a vehicle leaving the scene. They say that the driver drove towards officers nearly striking one, prompting an officer to open fire. However, witnesses and family members have disputed aspects of the account a little bit of details about the account. Owen was inside the vehicle when shots were fired. He was later pronounced dead at the hospital. Another occupant of the vehicle suffered critical injuries while Ooen's mother was not seriously injured Wh K of I'm just gonna to say before we get into it. Shout out to Ben Krump Uh, the attorneys, civil rights attorneys who step in and help these families and are their voices and are their counsel and I can only imagine Like it's hard to even talk about this as one. They are constantly in the fight have it's so heavy having to deal with it and feeling like it's something that happens again and again despite your efforts, whether you have a two steps forward, it feels like you have five steps back. So shout outs to these attorneys who continuously are in the fight and in the trenches at these Senseless tragedies that continue to happen. I just I feel like we don't acknowledge them enough They really are out here doing the work Yeahah, I mean, you're right. I mean, we can have a conversation about when You know, who shows up I don't want to do that. I don want to make that comparisons because I don't want to bring anybody into what I believe being crrump to be. What I believe being crumped to be is someone who deeply, deeply cares about his community. and uses his legal expertise to get results for people And we came ing the system to bear at least Ban Krump can use his legal expertise shhed light on things and get results for people. And also at this point, hisational the national recognition it brings, when he steps into a situation, it becomes nationally recognized. And obviously he can't be there for every single situation, but the moment you hear his name or similarly situated civil rights attorneys and he's there. immmediately, you know that this is going to garner attention that these police departments, these state bureaus of Investigations, these attorney generals do not want And that's something in itself as well Um, Shot to B Crumpt's team too all it's it takes the village. Like one of I got a homeboy and being Cistinine the first first dude to ever take me to the Bail at Hotel, man. L lunch over thell Hot, I' like this beautiful Um Okaykay, beyond that though Uh This situation is heartbreaking And It's You know, we we call this violence senseless It does make sense I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Like it does make sense. It makes sense in the framework in which we are operating in Superman fucked up this much. as The law enforcement of metropolis, the people would be like, nah, go back to crypto. If Superman fucked up as much as the cops Everybody in Metropolis will want to have a little kryptonite on them. Everybody will want protection from Superman You's I can't even explain to people how significant a fuck up this is, how Danger I'll even have the right words When the police arrive on scene, that is supposed to be And for you, if you don't believe this in America, this is the way that it's supposed to be. That's supposed to be safety arriving Supposeed to be safety arriving The problem is that the cops don't see themselves as such. The cops see themselves as two things. One imperiled They see themselves as imperiled. How many conversations do we have about the danger that the cop is in? 's it's like the fireman doesn't blame the fire The fire the fireman is there to put the fire out. becausecause the fires are an inherent risk of the job. justust like danger is an inherent risk of being a police officer. Right. There are plenty of jobs where danger is danger. You're trained for that. Right. You're trained for de escalation. you're trained to preserve. promote and protect human life. That's a happen. And so many times, this baby is dead They don't do that because I honestly believe this and all of the police officers out there that are going to get mad. I don't think that they have to I don't think, particularly when that person is black, Police officers consider the fact that it's their job to make sure nothing bad happens to them That's just not their edict. Their edict is to meet out punishment. A we just going talk about this till we blue in the face until there's another one uil there's another one until there's another one details of this particular case Um will probably flood our timelines over the next two weeks. But there is not one detail. that will be produced in this case that will explain Death Baby There's no such thing as that detail. It doesn't exist. The only thing that can explain the death of that baby is Pull in a part of the inherent dysfunction of American policing. of the inherent dysfunction of American That explains it. That explains why Kid A child, a baby gets killed in this instance. And what do you have left? What recourse is there now? Apologies, settlements, marches, there's nothing, nothing can be done to bring that child back. The only thing that could have saved that child is the police being better. But we're not allowed to ask for that because if we ask for the police to be better, then we're un American, then we don't back the blue, then if we ask for a different version of this, a different version of public safety If we ask to take money from these cops who won't stop killing people Won't stop killing dogs, which we'll get to later. If we ask for that and ask for a new imagination of it, then we don't support it. The Democrats won't fucking support that. Fuck the right. The Democrats won't support that. We had Karen Bass in the seat and she was right here. She talked about how much she loves and needs the polies and I guess wants more. She wants more. I guess you got to say that as the mayor But what I would like to say to her and will say to her when she comes back is How do we the police that you want to roam and patrol the streets Tell me how you know that these police won't murder burner doodles and babies Is that too much to ask Like seriously, I'm not trying to go on another van Rant. I know that I get hyper emotional about this stuff. Well you should. But like In this particular situation The child was inside the vehicle when when when the shots were fired According to the mother, She held up her baby, Cohen. to in order to let them know there is a child in the car and they shot anyway She was holding her baby when they shot her. I don't even know how you So acccording to her testimony because they're saying, well, we eyes shot. First off, I don't even know why you needed that many officers more than one. So there's already, they're already coming in with this preconceived notion that she or the person with her are thieves because they were somebody called in and said they were stealing diapers. So they're already coming in with that. Then they're in the car I don't even know why you have your gun drawn. And they claim that she was driving towards her or towards this officer. I don't know if it's a man or a woman because they ha'tleased anything yet, nor have any charges been filed? They've just been placed on administrative leave. but she baby up to let them know, which means they probably already had their guns pulled out. putut the baby up. I have a child in the car. They shot anyway tootal disregreard for human life. And I think the most upsetting there's too many upsetting things, but one of the things is and it goes to your point There are so many things to protect police officers, but not the citizens in these situations. There are so many things designed to make police officers feel like They can act recklessly or in disregard for human life because there are so many systems to protect them. Qualified immunity is so hard to prove. The fact that we have to you put their word over the citizen that they felt endangered, right? She was driving towards me, moveove out of the way, Why is your gun even drawn? This person doesn't have a weapon. is not a threat and we're supposed to believe the officer over the citizen, everything is tilted to the system. And you know what this particular police department and this Mississippi Bureau of Investigation doesn't have, They do not have a centralized, publicly searchable database of officer involved shootings that are broken down by the department. The lack of transparency in itself is part of the problem Even if you want to challenge certain things that are being done by this department specifically or the state of Mississippi, there is actually nowhere where you can go to find the data you need to show a pattern. Again, that is protection of the officer over the citizen when I am a sworn civil servant as a as an attorney, right? I take an oath. There's a code of ethics. The same thing goes for police officers. you make an oath to serve and protect And we're constantly seeing situations and systems put in place that actually don't allow you to do that again, we're seeing systems and situations in place that don't allow you to do that for the people you take an oath to protect. It only seems like that oath is to protect you and your kind I there was a case six weeks ago in Mississippi extxtremely similar. Six weeks ago, an officer involved shooting He killed, he killed Jamarcus Brown in Desoto County in Mississippi. sixteen years old You know what the accusation was of why the officer shot him? The car was allegedly driving towards the officer. You know what happened in that case Nothing happened in that case The officer was cleared And the shooting was considered justified. So what do you think is probably going to happen to this one year old child who was shot at? You can't even fight it almost feels like the fight is impossible. Because and I'm getting redundant here It just seems like everything is there to protect the police officers, the police department and that system that is in place. And that is what is extremely frustrating. Even if you look at statistics that I can look up in Mississippi The AG's office has cleared officers use of force and declined to prosecute in a third of all cases between twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four without even sending them to a grand jury are already clearing a third of the officers in officer related shootings You can go down a prosecutions are rare. Even if a grand jury doesn't indict, the prosecutions are extremely rare. Most of the timees the grand jury decides not to indict That is the system that you're going up against. So who protects us? Who protects us notot the system not the police officers. And when the people try to use their right and their voice to go protest, what happens in this case T gas thrown Shut up and accept it It's almost like I I'm trying not to get emotional. This is we say this all the time. We will be here again I'll tell you why I will be here again. That was insanely well said, by the way. S many times I wonder By Rirtual slm in Should't be like Senator Rach or something? No, I cannot Okay, and You know, I'm going to go big picture and sort of look So look, you said something earlier, right The police were coming out there because the allegation was what What? That she stoleiapers? She or the person stole diapers. Somebody soo diapers I want to say something to you guys and I know that you've endured U deccades upon decades of programming And I've endured that same programming. we all have So it's sometimes hard haveave people directly challenge that But I'll say this On in capitalism, Does the diaper matter more than the child O in capitalism type of American capitalism That is enslaving you do the diapers Matter more than the life of the baby You don't want to hear that The police are serving and protecting They are They're serving and protecting property They're serving and protecting B aism They are showing and demonstrating whether it's because you pass a bad check whether it's because you're selling loose cigarettes whether it's because you allegedly stole a diaper They're showing consequences for running afoul of the capapitalist order And we can march to we're blue in the face. We can talk to we're blue in the face. Those people that are blue in their uniforms are paid to protect Pperty paid to protect Comers pay to protect value And your black ass is not fucking valuable to them. Y black ass is the same fucking thing that you've been. You're valuable maybe as a dancer. you're valuable maybe as a fucking innate, but as a human being, you're not And that is the conundrum that we find ourselves in That is why we continue to ask why Why, why, why, why why? Even Treayvon Martin Trayvon Martin walks around that that neighborhood at n as a threat to property. Nobody else was out there Like nobody else was out there in that they could say, oh my God, he was about to run up to these kids and catch a fake. No, he was a threat to the houses He was a threat to the cars, to the things that don't have blood or their hearts don't beat, but they're more valuable than his life is. And then after he dies, we have to go back to the entire. All of this stuff starts with some shit like that. The cops are coming out, they're protecting exactly what they're paid to protect. They're paid to protect the construct by which America operates on which is the value of everything that ain't black. The value of everything that ain't poor The value in everything. So like to me I look at all of this and I'm like, yo, I see D. twwisted irony of losing your kid Over diapers. D diaper wor works more than a kid Nuts We are not about to It's a crazy statement. We are not about to like link these two stories. But in LA A woman's dog was shot U after we're not going to compare the life of No we're not of a black baby to. A beautiful Looks like very good boy. The segment is called Cops on. Right. And we're not we're not doing that But in LA Jameson Uh Furry burn a doodle or looks like he use a mix of some sort, a doodle of some sort was killed by the police because Oh The police say that This what happen guys. It was the next w a championship A noise complaint was filed Dg U was barking, came towards the police police out the dog. Police kill dogs. think it's like ten thousand dogs a year. Okay, look, this goes back to what we're talking about Um, you guys are going to laugh at me. I would be I legitimately If this had happened to me, I wouldn't be here for a month. I'll be honest with you I'm right there with you. If this had happened to me, you would not if this happened to me, you wouldn't see me for a months. No, L you didnt me for month. you for that. Hi. couldould not I couldn't promise I wouldn't open up on them cops if this happened to me. I'm just be for I'm like I'm be for real. I'm that fucking crazy about the dog. Like I love the dog that much. Well, he's not a dog. He is your child right He is a part of you. So what I'm saying in this situation is these These mistakes are life altering baby might have cured cancer, but they don't look at the baby fuck dont you don't have to do anything. I don't even know how to be articulate. You don't have to do anything toal what listen, hold on, catch me What I just did was like what I just did just now was partart of the problem child doesn't have to produce anything to validate its right to life I want you guys to my programming. That child doesn't have to do anything to validate its right to life. It doesn't have to do anything more than live. It was given a divine edict, a right to live It doesn't have to do anything It's not a couldve. it's what actually happened. But we got to keep coming back here because the structures that govern us have put us in this situation. And until we're bold and brave enough, you okay Just so just so upset. don't keep going. I'm just so upset You know I're writing a long time on a podcast. I know. I just but you know what's good about you. I just think both of these stories are so heartbreaking and again, I'm not comparing it, but's everything you're saying is so true. I think I've just It's just like a It's just like stacking on each other. Just the last podcast when we werere talking about how like stay your crown doesn't apply to you because it's not your crround. You know, like there are laws in place, but they're not there to protect. us. They're not there, they're not meaningful for you. I think that's the kind of stuff that thank you. I think that's the kind of stuff that's just like It's such a harsh reality and it's so true But like why can't people understand it? like what is the killing that's gonna be enough? What is like the I just I don't know. I just of just needed to cry a little bit. Yeah. But again, it's like it's just like piling on of what you keep saying of how much None of this is meant to consider us. Right. And it's just such an uphill battle and it's exhausting and it's emotional and You know, it's just as sad when it happens to an adult as it is to a one year old child or to a dog who is family member. we both have dogs. I would be sick. I'd be mad if that happened to me but to my child or to my dog. I don't know. it's just I knew it like even when I was preparing for this, I wasm just like, I'm just so tired of The constant realization and we're in the trenches. We cover this. You know, we've talked about Loo at the trenches, We're not in the motherf. No, no, no. I mean, like sorry. we're in the trenches in the sense that we talk about it, which is why we commend like Ben Trump, his team and all the others me get in the trenches. My son is. I mean, like we talk about it. so we're aware of it. It's very top of mind. We use our platform in this way. I'm saying it because there's so many people that just don't have to Yeah. And sometimes when I'm out having a good time Truly Al kinda like, myself in a moment because I'm like, I'm doing what I at times can't stand. I'm like I'm enjoying life a certain way and there's so many people like struggling and certain things I don't know. I'm going on a tangent.'m just I'm trying to explain my tears and I can'. I'm just frustrated.' frustrated and frustrated and frustrated. It works though because if you had a You crying on the pod worse because If you had an ugly cry face It wouldn't work. I do have a pretty cry. You do have a pretty c That iss why it works. If you had an ugly cry face, I'd be like, okay, we're gonna to stop down real quick We just right for beaking you la. like we're gonna come back, but but you don't. But look, here's the thing, like you know These These are symptoms There's a whole narrative here. There's a whole these are symptoms of a disease And we just have to be brave in the moments between in analyzing and confronting that disease. These are symptoms of a disease Um But I'm telling you, manoo These symptoms are debilitating. and all of these people that we've em All of these people that we've empowered to go out They aint shit but tyylen off They syptom maskers. question is Who is going to come actually All right. Are we gonna even realize them when they're in front of our face? Be I might not eat it Maybe al All right, we're gonna to take a break. and we're going get some entertainment on the side of it. We're gonna to reset. I saw Bernard over there Bernard came over with the Thank youard the napkin, which But no, that's not good for TV. We want them tears for. And then you tryed to come over with some water that was too much, but not. I do need water actually Yeah I feel like she needs some water. I feel like she needs some water. I'm Benard and I'm the friend of the black woman You know I'm saying I'm off that shit now that Lebanese shit. o. 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The point of this segment to me, The brilliant Jamelle Hill who joins us right now on higher learearning is to Decipher and discuss decide should I say whether or not this is a Deal. or not a deal Is is a big deal, small deal deal something we should watch This is another fucking thing on social media for us to argue about What we're talking about is Jay Z releasing Reasonable doubt as an exclusive Vinyl with target. Now, if you guys are not aware Target had a long standing relationship with the Back community, with lots of marginalized communities Over the course of at least thirty years promoting U Black brands, black businesses promoting spepecifically, LGBTQ plus initiatives in parts of the store, Target was a friend positioned itself as such to the community and not just in what they had on the shelves, But also DEI on the forefront of it, diversity inclusion practices All that fell by the wayside when President Trump wes his war against DEI Target capitulated, which led to a boycott of Target and financial strife four. Cany We are here now trying to litigate whether or not the bllack community, even from an intellectual standpoint, wants to have a relationship with Target, boycot happening is b workot not happening. Jamal Bryant tried to stop the boycott Everybody was like, you don't tell us how to stop the boycott. All of that stuff is happening right now. We didn't That was a whole big deal. Now J Z is releasing reasonable doubt his first album, the album that made JZ into J Z for a lot of people to Target, Target exclusive, Jamel, is this a big deal or not So I think How we are viewing this depends on whether or not some important questions get answered, but I don't know that those questions have been answered I'm not knee deep in target business like that or knee deep in the music industry like that, but I think What I was trying to determine is like, is this a special deal that Jay Z actually cut? Be At least and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I was under the impression he did not own the masters of Reasonable doubt. I know he does for the rest of his music But I think reasonable doubt may be the exception So if that's the case, I think we're all trying to figure out who made this deal. Was this a deal made by the record company? Was this a deal made by You know, whoever owns this? wasas this actually something where Jay Z sat down at a table across from somebody from Target and said, we're doing this or them pitching to him And maybe the reason that people won't give him reasonable, you know, sort of like a level of benefit of the doubt not reasonable doubt is because A lot of people saw how he moved with the NFL, continues to move with the NFL If you talk to some residents of Brooklyn,ack black Brooklynights They didn't appreciate how he used his influence to sort of get the community. and this may be fair not. I'm not from Brooklyn. I'm just going by what was the conversation where people were accusing him of using his influence to sort of get people in on a deal and they wound up being somethingomething where Barclays obviously displaced a lot of people who are longime residents, property went up, white people moved in, gentrification, same old story. So I think JZ is like wearing this label whether fair or not of Jay Z comes in When we need to wrangle the negroes and get them on board with something and maybe go against their own integrity because him as a cultural tastemaker as somebody who moves culture, who commands culture in many ways is the person that we need to convince the rest of them to get on code. And so In a way, I think some of the criticism s like it's like everything else, you know, Van and Rachel, everything is not black and white. We live in a capitalist society that constantly forces us to make these choices. Everybody's compromised, everybody's dirty. None of our intntegrity can line up consistently. And so we're having this sort of social media conversations. We're having ten conversations at once. One is about JZ and his role as a billionaire in capitalism. Another is about consistency, of which I'm like that is impossible in today's America. You are more like you are more than likely going to boycott target, but also order from Amazon That's the way this whole game is rigged. Like they make us dependent on them to the point where we honestly cannot live our lives in a way that remains consistent because we're going to use social media. We're going to do this. L if you want to boycott anything, well, how are you going to reach people? You got to use meta. How are you going to reach people? You gott to use eggs. We can't live in a hp hypocrisy free environment because frankly That's too damn hard. Like I'm just gonna keep it just keep it real. It's really hard to do that It's true. So I guess we can't, you know, with the information that you're providing, can't really say he intended to do this or not, but It's still there, right? His album exclusively huge black celebrity, huge cultural influence Does it still take away from what it is that this I mean, I don't know if Jamal Bryant took away from it because he confused people. I don't know. I still don't shop there personally because to your point, you pick your battles. I might not shop here, but I might have to shop here, whatever it may be. But do you still think that this is I don't want to say an indictment because we can't really put it on him. but you know, you talked about eventually they would find the right black celebrity And they're using and whether it's Jay Z is behind it or not, they're using his name, his album to promote something at Target, a kind of I guess put a on the boycott. Do you feel like it is having that kind of impact? I do think it is. because and people have brought up the fact that other artists, I think it's like Kendrick, J Cole, other artists have had similar type vinyl releases. But again, I'm not knee deep in Target's business like that. I don't recall any press release about any of those artists having maybe they did and I just missed it Part of there's a lot of people who are just not finding that out in part because of the boycott. A lot of us ain't even been up in target to see it. and two If this is something to your point, Rachel, that the company themselves decided to put out and say, hey, we all good now. we got J Z That's their strategy. That might not even be the way that Jay Z wanted this known or again, we don't even know if he actually was the one who spearheaded this partnership or at least was personally involved in seeing this through I don't have any idea of that is reminiscent in shades of the NFL, you know, I really disagreed with the way that Jay Z operated in that moment. One, I thought he threw Colin Kaepernate clean under the bus with the whole we're beyond kneeling thing. What I also didn't like about it is understanding the NFL's intention You know, this all came out during depositions and reporting that the NFL purposeullly sought Terry Pagula The owner of the Buffalo Bill said it on record. We need a black figurehead. Those were his words. All right. They wanted somebody that would come in, stop the protesting stop black fans from feeling uncomfortable about the NFL's brand And they wanted to find someone the example they use who would have a similar positioning with how the NRA positioned Charlton Heston. When they brought him in to take the stink off what the NRA, you know, sort of had been law was that people Yeah, like that was the purpose. And so they bring in JZ Wh obviously, he wants to see black artists highlighted He wants to see culture sort of take over the Super Bowl halftime show. But I just felt at that point the NFL did not deserve to have access to black entertainment. They just didn't. A lot of black artists, some of the best and biggest in the world, were like, we ain't messing with the NFL And then JZ came in and it was like, okay, well now we all are And so it just That one rubbed me the right wrong way, but I'll just say this in general I think it's okay to still we got to find some balance and some new les It's our right to criticize people whose art whose art and entertainment and even personalities and how they moved in other ways It's al right for us to say, you know what? I like that. I like that. I didn't like that so much, but I'm okay with that Everything doesn't have to be, we just fuck JZ. like everything doesn't have to be that. You know what I mean? We got to have a little bit more nuance. and I could say like, yeah I love the fact of what he's done for social justice organizations. this and other things that he's moved more silently about. I love that he's done that. But I don't like what he did with the NFL and I don't particularly like how that impacted Colin Kaepernick was trying to accomplish. And I think I'm allowed to feel that way and people are allowed to feel a little bit of of consternation and to criticize and take a critical look and say, o Is this really the way we want to be moving right now?. Rachel's a big fan of. So I can go to the concert. R That's what you. Rachel's Rachel. Rachel's a big fan of of how to Let me tell y She likes Rachel, J just let you know, Rachel likes how the NFL treat it True J. J she's a big fan Tue at all. See how you trying to g like you Look, along them same L, you know what I've learned is like I'm gonna to stop buying concert tickets because I'm clearly the kiss of death. So me and my girls We all bought tickets to see In Vogue. TC Yeah at Salt Ppper. Yeah. Literally days later, Chili Maga. I was like dam. Yeah t Case in point, my husband is like the biggest J Z fan in the world. and I'm like, you know what? He was like, ho, we got to get in on this presale. He's coming to L.A. blah, blah, blah. I was like, Bck, got you I got the tickets, really, really good tickets that I was like This will be a great little date night Bam, JC might be a sellout. I'm like, I'm going gonna stop buying concert tickets. I tell you, I'mait to the last day till I know. Well, I'm gonna tell you who to buy them for. if that's how you roll and if that's the influence you have, we'll tell you who to buy them for and then you can influence their work the wrong for the enemy. So So this is what I saying about this and this is kind of like You know We don't have to be that draconian about it. like you To me, all of the conversations that we have to be conversations to where we're talking about a collection of ideas and how we want those ideas to be reflected in our communities, right? What we want to stand for. just so people know. just so we know about this. This is a specific partnership with Target in a way. This exclusive release is a unique vinyl color variant prereviously unreleased versions of seelect tracks uh specifically The white vinyl with commemorative packaging, collectable inserts, alternate presentation elements. This is a target retail exclusive and that begins june twenty sixth So there had to have been some collaboration with the artist in having this home in target. So there is some connection there, right I will to the entire deal here is this. We can't help but be hypocrites. It's impossible. Pe say to me all the time they' be like, Van, are youre talking that shit, you work at TMZ. I'd be like, yeah, you're right. I worked at TMZ for a long time. We can't possibly be hypocrites pointoint is How much more does it matter when A movement is working when there's agreement and a movement is working. How much more? Yeahah, we might not be able to do Amazon U Walmart, the USPS, whoever the fuck it is, why would we be boycotting the post office? We might not be able to do all of those, but we were doing Target. And it was working. Yeah ye. We might not be able to do basketball and baseball and all of this stuff But we were doing the NFL And it was working. okay. So I think sometimes And obviously nobody in this room would ever do this. I think sometimes grander trick of white supremacy is to always be like, you're not defending yourselves consistently and well enough. So you don't get to defend yourselves at all Look at this man who you put forth This guy's got all of these fucking problems. He's not doing it good enough. so now you can't get get out of here And I think in this position, if people are looking at a specific economic targeted boycott targeted boycott that was working against Target and they want to maintain the even Exple of that It's fair to be crritical of people who might be subverting that in In event I think that's a great point because I have seen a lot of that well y y'all didn't say this and it's selective outrage. It's not selective outrage Because even during the times of the civil rights movement which is, you know, arguably the great greatest sort of movement period of our lifetimes is that they didn't has to winden it They were very specific. The Montgomery Bys Buzz Boycott was really strate specific. It was strategized, It was planned. It was two years And so what we kind of miss in that is that nobody at the time hopefully was saying, well, y'all didn't boycott this bus system, Y'all didn't do this. So y'all can't do that. It's like, no, sometimes you have to make one example to create a feeling And at the very least I think where the boycott was successful, not only with droped stock prices, some lost revenue is that it changed how we looked at target. That was the victory. whichich we didn't know we could still do, by the way. Exactly We didn't know we could still do that and we did it. And so shout out to Jamal Bryan and the not. Okay, shout out to Tamika and Mon and the ladies that started it and Jamal and the women, but we didn't know's not to jump in on you, but we did't know we could still do that. and that's very important. But to your point, Jamal, I think that that's where things get lost becauseoy The Montgomery Bus Boycott did not end because it hurt people's pockets. It really didn't end until there was actual change in policy and law. And we're still waiting for Target to actually answer the question. has been w. Right, But this is where it gets confusing because you have people like Jamal who pop in and say certain things. No, but I'm just saying it does confuse the messaging in it. This, what is happening what we're talking about right now with Jay Z confuses the messaging to bring it up, but Christy Taggan and her family going in target shopping around with her new line on two Isles is confusing the messaging. And so I think that It's one thing to hurt their pockets, which we are being very successful in doing to your point But there's a bigger point where there's a list of demands that Target still hasn't met. and the boycott to me isn't over until you satisfy I agree Yeah, no, I'm just bring it back to Janell's point about. Well I'm But Rachel to your point though, here's the thing and this is where people should take a victory lap about the boycott Did you see the comments under Christy Tigan? I did post. I did. They they went in And as we just all talked about Target's brand has been permanently damaged because now They're trying to hire these celebrities to try to rectify how people feel and it's not changing how people feel because What you said hasn't happened. There hasn't been announcement by a target to say, you know what where We're going to we're going to publicly announce that we're meeting these demands. Guess what We're going to double down on some DEI initiatives. like none of that has happened yet. so people still feel away. Even Essence. Essence took a lot of heat. because Target is their brand sponsor. So feelelings of the people haven't changed and what I would say to people It is. Aim it at the right target, pun intended. Just don't buy that vinyl. justust don't buy it Just stay on COVID and say, I don't that way that sends a message to target to say, I don't care what black celebrity you that you sign do a exclusive deal with. We ain't coming Now what Right? And I want to make this small point because I've seen it sohere so many places on social media Like my book, which you see, lovely pictured back here My book was in target. I have no control over that. Like they keep trying to surface like, well, why is Colin Kapernick's book up in here? I'm like, If you have a book, if you have products, you do not control the distribution. That is not Cin Kapernict does not have some exclusive deal with Target where they only release his book, It's just part of the general distribution model of retail is like, yeah, I would tell people in a minute, you see my book at target, Don't buy the shit, buuy it from a black bookstore. I've told them this before, donon't buy it, right? It's fine Regardless, I think that still the I still think people are not actually confused by the message because I think The fact that we're even raising this as a discussion, like this says a lot about how successful that boycott actually was. I want to just mention something else and this piggybacks on something that you said earlier In the Epsting files, There was an email And the email was from a guy named Jess Stanley, and it was to Jeffrey Epstein His email was dated february third, twenty fourteenth twenty fourteen Um And he said, Do you know why we are not at So Paulo Watch the TV ads on the Super Bowl. It's all about hip blacks and cars with white women The group that should be in the streets bought off by JayZ That JayZ has nothing to do with this email He has nothing to do with fromom what I know, Jff Stanley or Jeffrey Epstein or any of that stuff But I will tell you That's what they think That's what they think And what I wonder is how he feels that that's what they think They think that the reason why people the people that they seek to lord over They think that the reason why those people aren't more engaged is because there are people like Jay Z inflection points in time pop up to pacify them What the guy what Pagula said earlier, what he said was that they needed that person to appear. And when that person appeared it was hove I'm not saying anything because people think that there's some kind of agenda. There's not I'm just saying I would be curious I were positioned in that way how I was viewed by these entities They think that They think it And that's that's to me, a really fair question to ask. Despite all the hundreds of millions of dollars that the NFL was able to pour into various social media programs, some grassroots Social justice programs Social justice programs, s, Yes. They got they got a lot. I think it was like over five hundred million dollars. something some crazy n through inspire change Understand that that's money that is needed necessary to continue to fight But the voices matter too and To your point, Van I know, personally, if white people were looking at me like I'm the neegro whisperer, I would feel away I would want I would want to know what is the bad signal I'm giving off or what are my actions that they think they can come to me to communicate to my people, A, he, we need to give them a break. and blah blah bl You know, people used to say though not used in this regard, but like we went through that period of time where You know, whenever white people messed up or they would just go running to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpon and be like, they don't make it all right with the black people, you know what I'm saying It's so like I just think if you're JZ is that you have You have built up so much cultural capital that it really, regardless of what you may see the end game of like, well, if I get these, you know, brilliant artists a type of visibility and leverage that they don't have before that I'm doing good And I'm not saying that you're not, but I think that there is something to be weighed here about your perception In general, guys though, honestly, when it comes to celebrities and and their efforts to fight or not fight or expectations we have of them, I'm exhausted. Like I'm literally out of right now. My. I don't w Like, don't listen to me. don't And I'm not listening to them either. Do your dance, rarap your rap Like Tirl a dribble your basketball, throw your football, like just do that. Like There's one I'm expect from you. There's one cave I'm expect. There's one caveat I have one caveat to this. and I would say this to everyone The activists in your community, I will say that Rock Nation has supported some of those activists. We got to say that. We have to say that a lot of activists ab walking and marching in places and going places and making change. Those people have been supported by Rock Nation I know everybody feels like I'm just you have to say that. We have to give this entire time. No unfair. just be unfair. You have to do that I'll say this though and this is why I' saying I'll be forever I'm cool with that. I'm cool with us doing this Ecept for one thing You cannot leverage the community, the pain of the community. You can't operationalize the community for your needs You can't say these liquor people not treat me fair because I'm a black man You can't say these streaming people not treat me fair because I'm a black man. For sure. You can't say in my business I'm not being treated fair to make the next billion dollars because I'm a black man thenen on the backside come back and just be too much of a celebrity for us to be quick. Once you do that Once you do that, Whatnce you say, hey, I'm not getting a fair shake in the way that I should because I'm black Ething else is under scrutiny because you're operationalationalizing and deploying pain and strife of black people. at your big net worth. And I'm not saying you don't stop being black. I'm saying you can't jump back and forth over that fence. So I have seen and I'm not specifically talking about Jay here, but I have seen when its when it's a beef with Diaggio Black community help us. When you need to sell a product, Black community ain't nothing pro black about no liquor Period. Yeah Piod. If you want to support, if you want to support black people who have liquor brands, I get it I completely understand that Totally Don't use that pro black shit to sell us no whiskey, to sell us no coon yac That's not black excellence. Black excellence is literacy Last thing, I guess for me. I thought you brought up such a good point when you said, did you see the comments under Christy Tegan's post to show that people are not having it, they're not okay. I don't know if that's reflective in her sales. I don't know if that's made her change anything in that partnership. Probably not. It's contractual But If people, and I think there's a lesson to be learned from that, which is why I love that you brought that up If people do go out and buy this vinyl Does that say anything about the boycott or does that say anything Or is that just particular to JayZ It might be particular to JZ, but I will add that Listen, the Montgomery Bus boycott didn't have hundred percent participation. No Like no boycott that we've ever had. Everybody has been like, There's beeniss Stragglers. And as I said before, I've said this I made this point before about this issue is that There was a lot of bllack people when Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X and all of those Um very Noteworthy and brilliant civil rights leaders were trying to galvanize the people. There were black people who thought that they were in the wrong. Now how dare you don't don't agitate these white people. Don't come down here with us. We got a good relationship with them. Yeah. Exactly. There was plenty of black people who thought that way And it was plenty of black people who just wanted to blow up the buses So Yes.es. So it's like we've always had that intra community struggle and these conversations And so we got to be careful as to not always to not always mythologize the civil rightights movement in the sense of thinking that there weren't critical conversations and discussions like these taking place because there were and them same dudes and them same negroes that were against the progress or against Those leaders speaking out were also greatly enjoying the progress that their assassinations and the things they went through afforded them to have And so what I would say is that I don't expect everybody to be on code because that just is unrealistic But I think if you have enough participation to at the very least make people look, the job is done if you at least feel like I gott to wear a mask when I go up to target. so don't nobody see me by this Jay Z. Th mission accomplice Because that means if you're feeling a little bit of shame about it. And then that means that this has been successful. And as I said before, the victory lap really is that targets identity has been permanently changed. Think about five, you know, five years ago, black people were like Target is this, I can't going up into target without dropping four hundred dollars and blah blah, blah, blah blah. We we were streing Target, we let Target into the cookout And I know people like bring up Walmart and Amazon. We never let them up in the cookout. Tarly got let up in the cookout And then they betrayed the entire community and a lot of other marginalized groups. and now we' just like, no, we can't feel the same about you And so with JZ because some people have been like, oh, we just always got to pick on JZ. Again, like you said, manan, it's about how you position yourself. JayZ has been the one about ownership Brand control U supporting blacks. buying black. I mean, that was his whole pitch with title, right? It's like the whole idea of title was we in on this black shit and we in solidarity and blah blah, blah. So yeah, there's going to be more smoke for him than when Drake released a vinyl a vinyl addition aarget. Drake ain't never really stood down like that. That his brand is not boycottting and standing up and doing all that And Like that's not him. Jay Z has a very specific cultural touchp that is different from ninety percent of the rappers So we have higher expectations fair or not. of him and by extension also Beyonce. Yeah, you know guys Go to the concert Enjoy the concert. Have fun, listen to the music. there's this thought, but we just talking about cultural conversations around what's the best way to move. And we're not always going agree, but you don't always have to ro with somebody's canceled. Ain you couldn't cancel them if you wanted to. Ain't nobody canceled. We just talking about the situation. Jamille, tell me about politics So I do politics live on YouTube three times a week, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Also, Karea Champion and I, we have three times a week podcast as well called Flagrant and funny and I encourage people to check that out. I think the episode is out now Naturally, we had some conversation about Gar Mare' being put out there like a porn star. Wh. That was I't I see it at first. I didn't even see it. And if somebody sits like they said, look again Yeah, I was like, well, no wonder you got cast at Stan and Martin. All right. Garrett Morris. This Garre Morris You need to look at the picture with him and Taraji. I'll show you. I'll show you I'm going show you right now In real time, we we're gonna to show you. I cannot believe Tai put it down she puthing to down Do you see? Hold onute. Do you see it? Shout out to my dog, bro Shout out to my dog bro h nameam was shout out to Tarji man. Like shout out to Tarji for inspiring that Um I don't know shout out to my dog, but I and and you look he look like Man, shout out to him. That's what I'm talking about. Good forget. I you gotta you gota kind of respect it and this like that bad. listen, he had sexy rare jumping intoaraji's comments talking about hey, This hostit to care for is the guy you for. B the way for this when you're his age He deserves. Remember Satururn night Live Like Martin all kind he's been doing work for so long and apparently been doing a lot of other type of work for him long time too. shout out to Gary, shhout out to Tarie. She look good too All right. than you, Jemelle Thank you for joining. Thanke. Jamelle if you felt convicted and y'all sell them tickets C come to me first.. Oh no, no, no, the TLC tick is thankfully I got insurance on those. So like those are gonna be gone. Like we probably not we not going into that. Okay, I don't want those. 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She's sewing Netflix eighty nine blocks holdings, Ever Wonder Studio, Netflix Music and co directors Maure Lausy and Daniel Sivven for false light, defamation by implication breach of contract and false endorsement Her lawyers claimed that She gave a three and a half hour interview only to have it cut down to about sixteen minutes. and what was left, according to the suit, was reassembled to support the false and defamatory narrative unrelated to what she actually expressed. And it asked that the accountability that she took for the show's shortcomings were left on the cutting room floor Did you watch the Stocku series? I did. . And when you walked away from it, did you think that Well, let me just ask in general, what was What was your perception of Twer banks from when you started to when it ended Iss thising question because I Growing up, Tyre Banks was one of the ones, right? Absolutely. Like I uh I bought the Tire Banks calendar. I didn't know that was thing Yeah had account with I have to go, was what was the place in the mall where you had the calendars? bookstore, right Now how big it was Oh it was spincers So Spencer's gifts. Really? You remember Spencer's gifts? Don't they have like freaky stuff too? They did, but they also had these calendars and some of the calendars just had women in them. Okay. So you would go and they would be like a calendar. it would be like twelve months of butts No, Van They did have that. They I promise you, they had calendars like that in Spencerers. It would be like like a tits all around the year, the new year And I'll be looking through them and stuff like that and you know, you know, And then but also they would have other people's calendars too and I bought the Tire Banks calendar And man, I think I I didn't Flpp past March because March was just cold Right? And this was like, This might have been like ninety three or ninety four. Like March makesense. The March, Tyra Banks, I think she was like a silver bathing suit. So she was one of them ones. So I follow Tyra, right? And you don't know the career of a model. L what does a model do? because like If models don't become actresses Then they kind of just like end up melding into the ether because they're they like they like there's a time limit usually on modeling. They're athletes that aren't Celebrated in the same way post career. L But then what we started to see in during the era of the supermodel, they super mododels. they kind of started to be. Models got like TV shows. had House of sttyle at C Crawford was on that, the different stuff they were done someome models became like big time actresses. A lot of them on the low married insanely wealthy guys and that was kind of the thing that they would do, you know into the modeling career. But Ter banks endured Tire B acting in Coyote Ugly And in a H learning higher learning in the Fresh prrince and we went, okay, we're not doing that. That's not going to happen Is what we said? Yes. Okay We saw her and we were like, No, probably not. in that situation She D also tried to sing. She was on. A song with Kobe. Oh really? Oh, and then that was life size. was life size too. Kobe featuring Ter Banks on the song and we looked And this is with all due respect. We looked at both Kobe And Tyra fromrom a music standpoint in W No I you go back to the runway You go do what you do, which is be one of the most devastating ISO scorers of all This This shall not pass Then Tyra finds lightning in a bottle with America's next top model. Yeah. And I'm looking at Tyra Banks as just like us. Fucking unprecedented type of success Mogul, then talk show, Tyra. Tyra is gone. Yeah. Tyra is out of here After watching that goddamn documentary though But what did they take a chunk out of Tyr' ass They fucking got tired. But you realize the reason the documentary even came out is because social media. So we watched America's N nextxt topop model in real time And I didn't watch all Was it fifteen cycles of it or something like that Maybe like twenty four cycles, fifteen years I didn't watch all of it, but I remembered there being a lot of problematic episodes But what's happened is T usong What's happened is onn TikTok and other social media platforms, they started to relitigate America's next stop model of as But this happens a lot as thank you twenty four completed cycles as like what What the hell was she doing in the show? Because twenty years later, we're in a different place. They're looking at it a different lens. Can't make the TV now that you used to make fifteen, twenty years ago. So with that came this interest and this thirst of what happened behind the scenes. We want to hear from these people. We want to hear from Tyra. When I found out there was a docu series and that Tyra was in it. I was like, whoa, she's been getting ridiculed And people are not happy with her on social media. So I thought, oh, either she's producing this, created this, she didn't. And I thought, okay, she's going to answer for some of this So then that's why reality checked, America's not America's next stop model reality checked. and then E did one separate that didn't include her called Dirty Rotten Scandals. and that had It covered Dr. Phil. It covered Tyrra Banks. I mean, with American's Nxt stop model, and I can't remember the third one. But that has people that weren't on the one that Tyt was in, giving us completely adding more to the story that wasn't covered in what we saw on Netflix. Then at the end of the Netflix documentarary she kind of teas that we were going to get another cy O of America's next time model. Then this show, Th this Doccus series comes out and it was not well received for Tyra. No He look crazy So why was she in it though? Like she wanted to And this is according to her lawsuit as well, she wanted to tell take accountability for things she felt she did wrong during those twenty four cycles. Right. And she feels like with the sixteen hours of filming that she had The three hours of filming that she had They only showed sixteen minutes and it told a narrative that wasn't the narrative she was telling, which in reality TV people do that, which thousands of people said, this is ironic. You were doing that as an executive producer to your contestants on reality TV. But in a documentary You can't change the narrative to fit what someone said to fit what you're trying to do. you have to putut it out there. if they say I knew this person and I was aware this happened, that needs to be what is conveyed. You can't chop and screw it for to fit your narrative. and that is what she's accusing them of doing. I'll say something. I don't think tires should be suing I don't either becausecause we had moved on. So I'll tell you why I don't think Tyers should be suing. This is a blessing. Rower which part The whole thing. There's a blessing. This's something that Tyra needs. to move forth and even do more America's next top model. This is a blessing. Let me tell you why it's a blessing. I went through this with TMZ I was at TMZ from twenty eleven twenty nineteen. During that time I watched participated in prrotest it A lot of times Stories about famous people I saw people on the front page and I saw angles taken and headlines written and all kinds of stuff. I wrote some of them Right? I wrote some of them about people and their Pccadillos and all the stuff that they had done Wed all of it play. Then the kaye thing happened. Then the kaye thing happened and people were looking at me like some sort of a hero Right. And so all of the stuff that I had done and been a party to at TMZ was washed under by the fact that I stood up in that moment. And if you watch TMZ, there's plenty of moments I stood up. Actually, it was kind of my function at TMZ to stand up. And I'll say this as well They never, ever, ever cared about that. The one place, the wringer as well, with the one place that I've been where I've never ever had someone say, don't say that I've heard I've had people call me and say, hey, your criticism is like this, but I've never had when I was at TMZ, I never, ever, ever had anyone say Don't youre going too hard Don't say that layoff Sometimes they didn't like it, but they dealt with it. The one thing I can say about the place is They weren't trying to censor what the fuck you had going on. Not at all. But once you said it They weren't going to defend you. It was between you and the audience. So I will say that. But what ended up happen is When I left TMZ I got fiire from TMZ. I was positioned on page six as if I choked a whiteboard. Yeah As if I choked My friend Michael Babcock, a conservative who I have been friends with the entire time. This is why you don't have conservative friends because they always stab me into the b I' fucking with. Yeah. you have conservative friends. So And I look around, I'm like, whyy is this happening? whyy is this happening? This is not true This thing is not true This is being spun. partly by the office to make me look like I'm some kind of violent nigger Right? And I have to that's the way I look at that, right It wasn't about Tam Z. It was about me That was a blessing from God It was a blessing from God and I've said this before for me to understand what the fuck it felt like. to be on the other side of one of them headlines. so that I can then define for myself what kind of person I want to be. right? It was a blessing for me to have the nervousness to wonder The fuck was gonna be in my career whether or not the people that wanted to work with me was still going going on and work with me. I had to call people around. I had to call all kinds of people being like, Yo, y'all still fuck with me. Like what's going on? Do I have anything? I'm in a situation where I just lost my job I got a little money, but I don't know what's coming in the future. Will anyone that was fucking with me before still want to fuck with me because it is I'll start to have like heart palpitations and all of that stuff like that, just very, very upset. And that's why I give so much love to Will and all of that stuff because Will came around during that point And um And like and put me back on TV like really soon, but I say all that to say W Packer. W Packer. I say all that to say that that lesson was for me. You don't get to just like escape and Rodolph as a hero after having been here. I'm not making a direct criticis of celebrity news in that way, But I'm saying there are some things you have to do there sometimes to sensationalize and build eyes and get people to click your shit. Sometimes a video speaks for itself, but sometimes you got to j a headline or take an angle to get people to watch that shit. And there's a human being on the other side of that and that's something you got to live with and God didn't want me to leave there thinking that everything that I had done was completely, karically okay without feeling a little bit of that. And Tyra is the same thing. Yeah, how It's the same thing for Tyra That documentary is a blessing for Tyra It is something that to me will allow her if she does do another cycle of America's next top model to not be the same way she was understand that there's a way to do that show. doesn't to me, get into the same type of toxicity that the O show had That's the lesson to be taken. She's doubling down to me being the old Ty of banks by launching this lawsuit. Yeah I would say don't launch the lawsuit. We had all sned it. Learn the lesson and then go and do the show and make it something better than it was before. So That's what I was waiting for you to say because I feel like the lawuit is more doublink down on it. I mean, listen, if she really did say things that they cut out, I understand you wanting to at least say I really tried to come in here and be somebody different and to recognize my wrongs, but I still don't feel like because there's only a couple of things that she's making a direct Um I guess like that she's asserting that where she was wrong, not the whole thing. And I do think the whole thing kind of came off as a little detached, a little disconnected. I think she contradicted herself at some moments. and it made her look not just as like a bad U made it seem like she lost her way from her original intention when she created this show. It also made her look like a bad friend when you heard some of these stories from some of the other judges. and the way that she handled things. I think she got caught up in the business of it all. and I was expecting a little bit more of that of an apology of that in this documentary. but I will say what I think? is that there was a show lined up And maybe not anymore. because they show a documentary and m That's why she's like, okay, well I was gonna to let this go and move on because we had moved on, right? This happened back in like February, March And now it's like, well, I need to let people know that this wasn't actually how it was. That's what I thought maybe. You know, who knows? I say we've moved on If people are still coming at her and saying, how dare you? how could you? she might be like, that's actually not the truth. I mean, that is what she's saying in this lawsuit. So maybe she's doing this for her. Um I don't know, but I did find it really interesting that this is something that is still going on and I was a little surprised to hear her make these accusations. Gott to be I would hope there's some truth in it because If you're Netflix Roll the tape. Yeah If it's not there All right By the way, guys, we were aware that like there was an Iran deal that was seemingly signed like a MOU We're going to wait to cover that on Monday because they're supposed to be signing it Friday to which is today. We're recording Thursday with Friday and then we'll have more about the signing of it and all the fallout from it on Monday when we bring an expert guest on. Now I will say this Rachel Lindsey and myself Van Lathan are two of the world's foremost experts on geopolitics. It's something that we've dedicated our lives to. D differentiffnt institutes have hired us to come I've declined on several opportunities to go talk to the American State Department about my distinct expertise in geopolitics and things that I know Um But we're going to bring on another expert not because we don't know. because we do know this is a shocking loss for the Trump administration. and we could completely talk about it But just to give somebody else a shot. Yeah 'Cause that's what we like to do on the podcast. Yeah, You what I'm saying? It's not just about us. We like to help other people help other people if we can. Right. So just to give somebody a shot. So you might see a Ryan Grim come on this podcast because he needs it. Be Ryan needs a Yeah. You know what I mean? Like Ryan, we look out for Ryan. Like that's one of that's one of our guys, right? So we might see you might see a Ryan Grim somebody like that come in the park to talk about that, you know might get Niggas I know. other Niggers. What about Josh Carton Tout out to my man, Josh Carton, who used to work in the State Department. I have him on here. He's great Okay, But these are people that I know more than is what I'm saying. Yeah. ye. I know a lot more than those people. We we want to give them a shot. We wantan to give them a shot And we'll do that. I will say also, I'm glad we're waiting because as we've seen, there's a deal, there's no deal. There's a deal, then somebody bombs someone. There's a deal and like somebodyakes like I would rather no no Somebody doesn't bomb any. Sorry Israel bombs. Israel bombs. Southern Lebanon. Yes. Israel bombs or between us and Iran. Yeah But I think it's worth waiting a couple of days to see one if it even gets signed to what's the final thing with it? like we have to we can't even report immediately because it's flip flopping so much so quickly. Okay. All right, so in lieu of that, we'll talk about What's going on at the Ny's parade right now Um There's the video. Can we get this video on the screen here? There's a couple of videos. One video I want to do. I want to stand up for white people U Okay, Oh, wait aute. Okaykay, this is the first one. Ohh, we shake. No, no play it. playay it. We'll get to the we'll get to stand there for Okay, look. Oh, he's working on top of the So Okay, so we're twerking on top Is she white? I can't I don't think she's white. This next video, she might be, I know Back eye Dominican Oh. Oh, this white lady is trying to tell her to stop twerking. putut her hand in her face. Is that what's happening? It looked like it. This is this is at Trinity and Whatever. she's trying toerqu. she's not doing a good job of twrquking on the thing. That's the It's kind of hard. She's up on Over the crosswalk signs. She's over the crosswalk signs but Nigless be working out Oh shit. Okay she was talking shit to her. Okay, Wha. Oh now we we get to see the ass. spanker her she go tot This is the the way say. New York is not real This is not what I was. Oh, shes she's pulling the whole shit. Okay and you were a bit dancing. whyy are you making her nude in the middle They looking big. They playing this This miss to be. Oh she's still beating up. this lady, This lady is dedicated to the ass shaking. hold on, go run that shit again, dog. That's some of the most remarkable shit I' ever seen she didn't miss a beat. desespite So look, what's so she up there. this is not really working This This lady by being a Karen helped her. She helped her out in this situation. I just do not understand how this woman made of her business. The fact that she felt like she had the power to ridicule this woman and tell her to stop. This is one of the most New York things I' ever se. I didn't think that anything was gonna happen to her Now, she's getting down here. We'll go through this one more time. She's getting down You might be asking yourself in this video, what should happen found that would make this video better than what it is right now because that was a struggle to it She didn't even get off a good tore did me throws her to the ground. Oh. And by the way, she has an orange. I was gonna say. Kudos to her for still wearing the color. She She got the New York, bro. I'm fucking with you New York. Orange stone. Look at the rippling ass. tryrying to beat her up, notothing will stop her celebration. Hey, make her a star. Make that woman a M the woman with the orange fucking thong that would not stop celebrating. I've never seen anything like. E when you know what, man? I gott be real with you. That's kind of like a microcosm of the state of affairs in the country right now. Woman of color looked like she was I know bllack Iye Dominican. woman woman of color That's what she looks like. Woman of color Sakes as white woman tries to stop her But down to her soul, she let a Nick so much she won't stop shaking ass and ends up doing a better job defeating white supremacy to shake.id you notice that she only had one shoe on. She lost a shoe in the process of trying to twirk on top of the crosswalk Still with one shoe throws her down to the ground one handed. Randed And what's funny is she wasn't twerking at first. When the woman started hitting her ass, she started to twerk. was working with on top of the. No I when she came out. Also note, she's standing on top of a fence and doing this and drops the splits again. does it again. The talent. I'll be honest with you. The focus, like dedication. Jimmy Jimmy, I never mentioned you I never mentioned you on this podcast. Jimmy Camel I'm telling you something right now, my man Fallen has had all the Nicks on and all of that stuff like that. It's a New York thing. I get it. Jimmy, find this lady and bring her ono the show And let her finish her celebration. Can't have this karent stopping her from twerking ass? Even better. What? Even better. They just announced that Guillermo is going to be on dancing with the stars. Bring this woman Actually she should just sign up for it herself.. They should sign her dance with the stars but bring her to dance with Guillermo just to warm them up To get ready As he's about to do dancing with first, makeake her his dancing partner. Let her teach him, teach him some of this stuff. This is why I fuck with New York though I fuck with New York because of shit like that That woman wasn't going that woman had an orange gong on. She had Jayen Brunson over her vagina She had the Nix colors over her butth hole That's deeply rooted That's deep fandom that I love this. Nobody was going to be able to stop. It's one thing to wear all of this shit, but it's one thing to say I love the fucking Nick so much that my fucking asshole is covered up by the Nicks I love that. Okay, there's another video from the parade we have to look at right here. I have to stand up for white people right here. Okay. Do you know who that is right there I can't see Okay, so this is this is m family This is discrimination Yes, it is That's Tyl Colic He plays for the Kicks That gu. Yes. Eactly. See? ' he's white Well, he looks small because he's white. Another thing that they say about white men that I'm saying? He's like he's he's he's white. Play it again Because he's white Look at him. He doesn't look like a too. He doesn't look like a jailalin to the cops the cops that's right crazy fan. Get off there. He's looking at them like, hey, I play for the Kicks I play for the Kicks. They're like, we know what a Kick looks like. And you don't play for the Kicks, my friend. He appeared in sixty two games this season. sixty two games this season. I did not know that that's who that was. And they profiled him and tried to make him stop actually celebrating with his team. You know, that's two episodes in a row where you've taken up for the white man. Wh was what I do before? Timothy Shamy. it's tough That's it, why people blew my load for the whole month. That's what you get Juneenth tomorrow, sh out Juneenth is tomorrow we' having a j Juneenth at the house if everybody want to come get some barbecue. Just heard about it. I'm just letting you know right now. We're having a little Juneteenth thing with dogs, just hand I'm bringing my dogs. I'm bringing dogs. Yeah, hamburgers, dogs,it. I gotta go get the meat paw, pause, Bernard. Let me see if Kalika even knows about this I admit. I shouldn't have said that And how it needs you to like First of all, there should be no posuseive' P pride month out here, man, we're going craz Um but yeah, so the next parade is like taking off. I'll tell y'all something, man What's out a cot Consider what's going on. God love Mandanni, man Got love Mondani. The Kicks Elected a socialist, excuse me, New York, elected a socialist and the next win a championship Right away. God loves Mamani. Everybody that's like in New York that's anti Mamani, just go with it at this point, right The shit is already working out for you. They didn't win while what was other nickame? the ball hit We had him on a show Eric Davis, No he played for. Oh, Eric Adams. Eric Adams. Cck out the ED, by the way. Eric Davis crazy. I hung out about Eric Davis and Bamas's Eric Davis. Is Eric Adams even live here anymore every timeam he's over there. They didn't win while Eric Adam. They didn't win, you know, all that stuff. good. Yeah. M'm Donny, man, I'm Dn. Hf winning needed to Yeah U, okay U beforefore we got out of here, I saw a tweet. Rachel I'm standing enough for women J Go ahead. I like I would like a new lower third here Okay What is it Pro woman an Okay No, no, no no go harder Stite that out Feminist van ' I feel like I'm the true feminist here Which is one of the most anti feminism things you could say. That's very true All right, I saw a tweet not too long ago and I took issue with this tweet. Okay All right Donnie, play the tweet. playlay the video that goes along with the tweet too And you guys don't clutch your pearls. Well, I'll tell you what. Okaykay, look. And then there is this same woman who is taking her son to church. If you guys aren't watching, O on audio There's a woman. herer name is Zulu Dll sixty nine. And there's a video of her. Shake an ass. Okaykay in a thong. And then a couple of videos later. She is taking her son Mhm Rachel, do you see any problem with this? I honestly don't. Okay It see like people on Twitter. I really don't. I see my people on Twitter had a problem with this. People was like, how could you in the same video Shake ass And then a couple of other videos, take your son to church C on another video with a woman and she was a Latina woman, a spicy Latina, right? And she was shakaking ass and then the person said that quote tweeted the video, they said, This is material for, I don't want to say exactly what they said. They I'll tell you what they said. They said, this is suicide material when the cy when the kid gets older and sees this view of his mother shaking head I just have just one thing to say before we leave And I hope that everyone understands this. I'm put my glasses on for this Your mama shook ass. Your mom Your mom, look at me The guy with the glasses, your mom shook ass. Let me tell you what happened. Your mom was shaking ass Th your dads are, your dad was like, Yo, who's that And this home boy was like, Ohh shit, man,'synthia You say said to you He's like, Yeahah, man, in the background, you know, Roger Traoutman and Zap is playing You know what I'm saying? And he looks at it's like I don't like that sheet. She, man, shin't around from here, brother. Shein't around here, man You go, want me to introduce you Goes over there, sees her shakaking ass They talk she looks at him. She's like, Oh my God, he smells good Look at his neck Look at his shoulders They looked at each other. Pher moones Y Nick shouldoulders Then what happened is that they fucked Your mom and your dad are sexual beings They fuck Sometimes your mother and father fucked before they went to church Sometimes they fucked after. Sometimes they was out all night on Saturday night doing whatever, then they got up and they went to church Because they're human beings who have sexual expression like anyone else. Y mom loves to fuck She loved it And she didn't just fuck your dad, by the way. She fucks some n 'cause you don't even know She had some adventures, she had some vacations, she shook ass in foreign locales, and she fucked those guys. She was all over the place. You don't even know There might have been guys that you knew in your town in your particular neighborhood that after your mom went, Hey, say hello to Mr. Sanders. Mr. Sanders, watch your mom went away and went Damn I miss that. . Beuse your mom is a human being So yes, your mom both takes you to church And also fucks And I don't know why this is so uncomfortable for everyone. The only reason why we ain't seeing your mama shake ass is because the technology wasn't available But I tell you what I went to the Kappa Beach party Al was there I was there throughout the mid nineties to late two thousands, early two thousands. I wasn't they in the mid nineties, I was in high school And I saw a lot of y' mamas. I know a lot of yall mamas And this is nothing to be ashamed of. stop shaming people with motherhood for having ass and shaking ass. Motherhood is not a badge of shame or motherhood is not some sort of moral ladder that a woman has to jump over and surrender all of her sensuality, sexuality or sometimes the fact that she wants to shake a little ass and show it you as a child, don't get to dictate how somebody acts in perpetuity because they're your mama Is she providing you with nurturing and lessons and all of the stuff that our mother should do C! Th let us take some assks. Well, I guess my thing is, which part do these people have a problem with? The fact that she was shaking her ass on social media or the part that she went to church Make it make sense because like what are you really saying? Okay, so a person who's on social media who shakes their ass can't go to church. Al go to church. Like we well I'm not try to it. She's going to church. but Jesus. findind the problem in that. if it makes you uncomfortable that's something you need to question yourself, askk yourself about. Would you do it Maybe not. I wouldn't do it and that's fine. But the fact is church is supposed to become as you are. To me, look at I look at this as a woman who was out because it looks dark. so it was at nightim went out at night Had a good time, still woke up and made it to church. Made it to church. O time it looked like as well. Didn't let shame And y'all niga shaming her stopping her from going out. I don't understand this.. I don't understand this anti mom sentiment that gets out here. So is it because she was a mom or because or because that's what they always say. They always say when the woman is out there, they go, Ohh my God, you're gonna be a mother later. You going to be a mother later Your mother a woman before she was a mother, she was a person. But why can't you be both? You No, you can be both. you are both That's why my infamous tweet from before about mothers and what they did with fathers. What I was trying to say And that'seet That was one of my worst moments What I was trying to say is that like, Ill tell you what my mom said about my dad, right tell you this keepep going and I'll tell you. Tell you what my mom said about my dad. I'm not gonna get super serious and start talking about dad, all of this stuff like that. So I'm almost certainly I've said this, certainly I've said this on a podcast. Okay. So my father passed away. I just did it right now. And my dad died And so I was relitigating his whole life and looking at it and stuff like that and whateverver. I would say like, you know, my father died. them My mother would say Van Lathhon Sr died. Yeah ye Yeah, yeah, yeah She was like Van Lathhensen your died. And not every decision that your dad made while he was on this planet after the after the twenty five years before you got here was about you. And come to terms with that. come to terms with the fact that he did stuff that was for him He did stuff that was for him that didn't have anything to do with you. He did stuff that was for him that didn't have anything to do with me. We obviously know that. So so what I'm saying is these are people who are also your parents. Yeah. And boy do they like to fight Yeah. They love it. like right like like during the vacation in Turks. All right. Like why? why do we have to do this? Why do we have to do this? I'm aged with you I understand. I let you tell you a story.