Rising Suicide Rates Among Black Youth

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I always tell people I'm like, you got to come harder than forehead jokes And and she's white jokes because I've been doing that shit for years. You got to if you want to like really get to me and hurt me, it's got to be some stuff that Like that's so not true. Well, I mean the forehead you have a big forehead. But that it's just like, it doesn't phaze me. You gott to come You gott to be better. You G got to be more creative We can't be Lennon and Ingles. We can't be Markx and Ingeles. We can't be. But you like this. So you you like you don't like I don't like the disrespect. No, I know you don. You really do have back I I don't like to dispect fuck that disrespect, fuck that shit I like them What I like is the overall I like this this tension in this st. justust let you guys know, obviously I think this is healthy This is obviously us talking about comments about Jasmine response to Jasmine Crocket that we Well, segment that we talked about, clip that was on social that really had people riled up about Um, becausecause that the clip is just my take on it. about u about Jasmine Krack in Texas, should we So there are a couple of things here I think people are either Because the clip broke containment a little bit didn't go crazy. But it broke containment a little bit. and I discussions. Like I had a lot of people say, hey people hit me up about you. Right, R. Pe a lot of people hit me up about you as well. I think it's important I out a couple of things just for the sake of the discussion. Number one You're from Texas. Yeah So when people are coming at me because a lot of people' like, Yo, why are you in Texas business? I'm not in Texas business. Yeah, you said that on the last podcast. Yeah, I'm not in Texas business. Rachel is from Texas and Yeah, I'm from Texas. My family still lives there My and they're sprinkled all throughout Texas. My friends are there. My community is there My nephews are there. I only have two nephews. They will grow up in Texas, which means they are highly impacted by the future of Texas, bothoth the present and the future of T Alter Alister and Hendrix. So when I talk about this, I'm not doing it because For clicks, I'm not doing it because Jasmine Crocket is somebody who usually trends and that's guaranteed a response in any kind of way. That's not why I'm doing it. I'm doing it because I'm invested in it And I feel like it's personal to me. I'm passionate about it. And I feel like a lot of people who are having this discourse about Jasmine Crocket James Talerico got the names right on this podcast You don't have a vested interest in the state of Texas like I do. And not only that My I grew up in the very district that Jasmine used to represent. Obviously we know with redistricting, things have changed I grew up in that district. She currently represents the district where my family members live. I don't live there, but I am very invested in it. That's why I'm paying attention to the race I'll be there next weekend. You know what I mean? So I'm not doing this Just like we don't do, I don't do anything and neither do you for just for show. We're doing it because it's something we're interested in. We want to talk about it. O, Van, mayaybe not Van. I don't do anything just for show, but I do do things for entertainment That's different. But not nothing that comes out of my brain is for entertainment, but obviously if I'm making a like a comparison between the wire and That's for entertainment. But you also like believe in you're not doing for show is my point not Yeah like maybe a whiteboard is for show. M Exactly exactly That's for show. But like we talk about topics that are of interest to us or that are, you know, viral within the community. It's like what we put on for the show. But that's not what this is for me. It is very personal. And it's shocking to me. I'm not expecting everybody to know every single thing about me But I'm surprised people don't know that I'm Texas Well, I don't think that anybody listens to us and faithfully doesn't know that you're Texas. I just think that there were some people that mightful. We had a conversation both with the same person who had diden not know us from Texas That is what the fuck Was that the start of our podcast? Oh yeah. So they come down over there. So yeah, that didn't know that it was a Texas thing that didn't know like how invested you were into this and the reasons why And so to me When we're talking about this, it would seem it might be on another podcast that Jazmine Crocket or this particular race or James Halerico or whatever that there was some laser focus or picking on or something in that nature But like, I think this being where your parents still live and the state and something else. Hold on real quick I'm not going to speak too much about Texas business, Texas business, but You know, Texas wasn't always like this And if you're at I would imagine, let me ask you If you are a Texan Oh a certain age, someone that can remember when Anne Richards was the governor of Texas When Texas was a little bit more purpleish before it became a deep, deep red. almost The seat of MGa, honestly a MAGa stronghold Yeah it's one of the states Louisiana I'm not trying to joke here, but like Texas is one of those places to where Hey, you're leaving one of your failing Democrats states, move to Texas move to Florida. Texas and Florida are probably those two types of places, right U And I wonder is for you is the opportunity to change the trajectory of your state, trajectory. I can never say that word is how deeply personal that must be. How personal is that? Well, I mean, like you also have to look at where how I was raised in it. I grew up My dad is not an elected official, but my dad was in city government. Gvern was like in city government as the city attorney. My dad was appointed by Clinton to be my dad was theack first bllack city attorney in Dallas. My dad was appointed by Clinton to be first Back federal judge in the Northern district. I was around politicians. One of my dad's good friends, Ron Kirk first Back mayor city of Dallas. Like I was around City Hall a lot. Like I knew the names of city council members. I knew like my dad going to the University of Texas for law school just going back to that, seeing who all is connected, you know, whether they're on the Texas Supreme Court or courts, elected courts within the state of Texas. like I just grew up around it. I remember meeting Anne Richards Are you met her? Governor of Texas. I remember the feeling of, oh my gosh, I am meeting a governor and she's a woman. I like I can recall those things. Like my dad will always tell stories. He's like, you always just fascinated by these people's names. I've never wanted to be a politician, but I was so around it. My school was in downtown Dallas. My dad worked at City Hll, which was in downtown Dallas. after school I would be at his office a lot. I would see certain things. So for me Even though necessarily my parents aren't, and my parents are like community involved because obviously part of being getting elected specifically by the black community is being involved in Black churches. Mega churches are a huge thing in Dallas. I go to one of the mega churches in Dallas grew up at a small church, but still like your friends go to these megach churches. It's just like there's just such a community there. And you know, despite how y'all met me on the Bachelor, I grew up from Oak Cliffe. Yes, I went to private school But I went to black I lived in a black community. I went to a black church. I was very involved. You know, you don't owe this' right. I don't oe them this, but maybe for the people who don't understand me. But see, but I am understanding of people meeting me on a bachelor, which is a white show and the bachelor was white, then me becoming the bachelorette Silhide show and pickings somebody's not white So I get that that's that's people's first knowledge of me. So I don't get mad at that Where it gets frustrating is that's the only thing that defines me when I've been doing this podcast for six years. I know not everybody listens. things that I've stood for when it comes to the bachelorette. or the Bachelor, that franchise, thingsings I've spoken out on this podcast and even, you know, even me now just talking about my upbringing. That's why you're right. I don't oe them that. I'm just trying to give more understandings to where the passion comes from Like when I say these things on this podcast, I'm having conversations with community leaders in Dallas. I'm talking to some of my sorority sisters who are very connected throughout Texas. Yeah, not even considering Delta, like Community service and political awareness and involvement are pillars of being a deelta. So like that stuff that we were doing I've been doing since college. So yeah, like it's different for me. And if this was Louisiana I'd be a little bit more quiet and you would be more vocal because you're more heavily invested. But I think that You were saying this, let me let you finish because you were saying there's certain things that you wanted to set out in regards to this discussion and the first thing is that I'm from Texas. Yeah, I mean, that that's the first thing. So the first thing is that your Rachel iss from Texas. like being that she's from Texas, this is something that um Uh is incredibly important and just While we're talking Let's widen the aperture here. Uh We're having conversations about a lot of things at the same time U One thing we're having a conversation is about people versus person And I always talk about that people versus person But that's important. We shouldn't. I shouldn't just gloss over the fact that the protection of individuals And our goal to be a more cohesive community is very important Right? I've said it before. We've talked about it before The reason why you know, I'll continue to bring up Colin Kaepernick is because we can't protect black people. unless we protect black person That's very true I believe that Um I believe it so strongly And I want to give examples and deepen it and talk for fifty five hours about it, but I'm not going to be long winded, I understand that I will say though that like There is something else that we have to be concerned with. It's a difficult conversation. It's not an easy one because it takes discernment to have this conversation. Ah We are all black But we are not all the same. And someome of us are imbued with power Some of us are imbued with wealth. Some of us are imbued with I a great mandate to use that power and that wealth to serve other black people And there are different ways that we have to look at those people. We talk a lot about the Back community as this cohesive thing, but it sometimes pains us talk about int community dynamics. We've we've dealt with those pains as podcasters woman black man. Sometimes it's difficult for us to talk about A The rich of us, the poor of us. The gay of us, the straight of us The woman of us, the man of us. You know, Um And now it seems like because of some of the abuse and some of the disappointments that we've seen over the last decade getting discippplined It's getting tough to talk about the politicians of us we see ourselves in the elected officials that represent us They sound like us They walk like us, they talk like us. they want us to believe they are us energetetically as human beings, they are These are people with names that we understand, with stories that we understand with experiences and backgrounds that we understand, but guys in function They're just not us They not us They're not us And it's in function. They're not us and soul and community and energy. they might be A lot of them not They might be, but in function they're not us. and function what they are who have made the decision of themselves and been entrusted with a tremendous burden And that burden is to go out and make black people's lives better, to champion to fight for black people. And there's the threshold in the standard. This has nothing to do with anybody individually. What I'm talking about is a larger conversation. around the fact That st we need to stop falling in love with these people. We need to stop falling in love with them I'm not saying we can't love them But we can't fall in love with them We can love them You can love any leader or whatever, but don't fall in love. Falling in love is the type of thing to where you sacrifice a part of yourself to keep that love going You sex C Right Well so that is my thing and I've been trying to have this conversation and talk to everyone about this for a while. For me at least, we have to be able to call balls and strikes and we have to also be self critical. and I've had to learn How to be better at being self critical in these moments So they don't come off like I'm preaching or teaching to somebody. but man If somebody is a change agent And they say that they are a change agent and they say that they are putting forth They want to go out there and they want to fight. I expect them to fight. Yeah Um and once again, I'll say this, this is not about Jasmine Crocket. This is about Anyone that like would be in that situation and be beholden to a foreign interest or takes money from the wrong people or doesn't go byy it the right way. We have to be free to have those kind of conversations. We have to be free to have honest conversations, which we've talked about on the podcast. and it's honestly why I've been nervous to have this conversation in particular about Jasmine because I know how emotionally invested I'm not saying that those emotions aren't rightful, but sometimes those emotions can cloud you looking at the bigger picture. Because in the conversation that you and I had last week, to be very clear, there was no particular attack on Jasmine by either one of us. Neither one of us said that Jasmine had a duty to do anything, neither one of us said that She owed James Talorico. anythingthing And nobody said or anything that we talked about was about her or asking her to be a quote because this is something that I keep seeing out there a mule for the Democratic Party Nothing that we said was that. I knew what we talked about would be controversial because as I just said, a lot of people are emotionally invested and because of how the online discourse has continued to debate Jasmine and James despite the primary being done in March Um But when I look at the response that people are having, As a person who's very concerned about the present and the future of Texas, I'm very fearful that this upcoming race is going to necess kind of be tainted by people who can'tote vote in Texas or aren't personally invested in Texas. Oh, you' saying tell people say out Texas business Well, of course, because I think that it is there's a lot of misinformation out there. There's a lot of things that I think people aren't paying attention to when it comes to the particulars and are focusing on one thing rather than' saying like the biggest picture and I'm so afraid that it's going to disenfranchise the black community from voting because the energy that they may have had for voting for Jasmine Crocket is really being depleted by a lot of this online discourse about James. and really it's about a lot of the people who are fighting for him online who again have no stake in any of this rather than listening to some of the people who are actually in Texas and who are telling you some of the honest things that are happening when it comes out to that. That's why when it comes to that, that's why when I talked about Jasmine Rather than being personal, I wanted to use her own words Despite what Jasmine Crocket said in that clip that we played on the podcast It's not that people are talking or I'll say us, It's not that we're talking about her and making it about her. It's I'm responding to that statement that she made because previous multiple statements completely contradicted. and to your point What you said at the end, if it's about the people It's about the people. So the day of the election, the primary, Jazz this this interview was published. It was probably a few days before But she was asked about would she campaign for Talerico And she said, and this is different from the other statement that I read. She said, absolutely That's a quote Tala Rico won the nomination. She said, The reality is that it has to be bigger than any single individual. When was that conf When was that statement made It was published march third. so it was before the results. Okay. Now let me ask a question. Can I finish reading the statement then? Oh, yeah, my bad. The reality is that it has to be bigger than any single individual. This is about us winning That is what it's about. And when I say us winning, I mean us as Texans Now go ahead. Um, is it You say March third. I was published march third, p before Is there a possibility that That statement could have been made before Roy Scott particularly contentious and Jasmine Crocket or her team or people have been subjected to either what they believe to be a lot of Fury from people who are Telero supporters or what they think is covert hate and harassment from the Ter Rico campaign. Well, this was published march third, which was the day of the elect like The day of the election. day of the election was one I was probably around this time. I know what you're saying, go ahead. I want no, no, no, no, no. I want to speak for people who might say, yeah, she might have felt like that She can change her mind. someomebody and she can change her mind and I want to get to that point too. She can change her mind, but to your point about what she had been subjected to, that was When she was being rumored to run, when she threw her name in, from the moment she threw her name in, she was unfairly stereotyped. Like we saw it happen. People attacked her relentlessly online. Even after she lost, she was getting attacked. That is definitely something that is true. And to your point, she can change her mind. But the comment that she made is so important, and I think it's right It is bigger than the individual. It really is about winning because what is it because what's at stake for Texas? And to win, it requires you to unify. And she's like, that's why it's about us. This is her statement. It's about Texans. This is why I was using her words because what she's saying is right. And the reason that people are focusing on what she said last week when asked, willill you support? Same question she was asked three months ago, actively support because people were like, she said she would support him. This is what people are saying since the clip came out. She said she would support him She said she endorsed him. Right. But the question is, will you actively support earlier? She said, Absolutely. She explains why. When she's asked three months later, she says, I have no idea That is what I'm focusing on because of what she talked about. It's about us winning. It is about the bigger picture And you're right She has her full right to change her opinion. She could change her opinion because of how she was attacked, which is a lot of people say. She can change her opinion for all the things people are saying. It's not her duty. She doesn't have to. She doesn't want to. let them do the work. All of that is true But I guess What I can't get past is it's not making it about her Right? If you have dedicated your time and your energy to supporting your constituents and the people of Texas, and particularly the people who look like you, your black community Why would you keep your foot off the gas? Now and two things can be true, right? I'm not saying that we shouldn't that James Talico should not work for the Black vote Absolutely. We should continue to hold him accountable for that But that also doesn't mean that we just stop and we don't continue to fight energize the base and particularly A non vote ae would be a vote against your interest. And I think that's some of my biggest frustration is You are a public servant You've dedicated most of your career to being there So why would that stop now? It shouldn't stop because it is about The bigger picture, it is about wanting the best for us. in the state of Texas, which is not the other side of it And I can run down for people who don't aren't aware of Kamppaxson. All you need to know is he is a fiercely loyal Trump supporter and he will support him at all costs. And you know at this point what supporting Trump means. And even particularly in the state of Texas, he's a very corrupt individual. He has been indicted for a felony, he has been impeached even by members of his own party, but he is anti DEI. He has He supports abortion bans which have directly impacted black maternal health. He is a staunch supporter of redistricting He has gone after he's an election denier. He has filed lawsuits to do things to dilute the black vote in other states. likeike he is so anti black. Right. Okay. You you I love it He's getting into it. Canot cannot Go ahead. Okay You You You said something earlier By the way, guys, I took a mushroom this morning. I don't know if you guys been in I know if you guys been noticing I a little bit more melllow, a little bit more clear. What kind of mushroom? Itk mushrooms. How many milligrams I'm not sure if I took like three of them They say you takeill or gummy. It's a gummy. They say you could take three. What's the brand I can't remember Bh It's like mushroom niggers Are they the ones that like It might be they buy they buy your crib. Oh you went to the store? Yeah. Okay. so Oh no. So I'm clear and I'm thinking Totally dont. All right, so look It's only gonna get worse. So look Oh You said something earlier And you said, we have to keep our foot on the gas, right I wonder I talked to Reesi, I talked to a couple of other people, People blleow my phone up about this. peopleople blleow my phone up about this I wonder If they feel like they've been And when I say them, I'm saying Black women, some black women, if they feel like they've been kicked out the car. Why Well So this is the deal, right? Foot on the gas kicked out the car. Like I wonder if they feel like they've been kicked of the car. I think Like And Be and the reason I'm asking you why is not because I don't understand. I'm asking you why because are they saying it in particular to this race or and maybe Kamala. That's what I'm asking you. So I think there's a response and a reaction and the response is to some electoral trends that we've seen, ignoring some other black ladies that have been elected. We should say that. been there've been some victories There've also been some pretty high profile defeats where it seems as if The will is not with the democratic base to empower bllack women yet They don't want to do that. I say yet, but who knows if they ever will and That if we want black women in power, the only way to do it is to actually Punish the base a little bit I'm speaking for people. I'm not saying anyone told me this Uh but that Because Kamala lost, there's going to be a re while I was on the phone with Reesea. Reesea said a great white hope Yeah, she said se great her h several different times, right? And I thought that was interesting that she continued to say that. First of all, I'd like like to say I have a tremendous amount of respect for Reesea Colbert We do not agree on this issue We had a conversation that was cordial but adversarial But I believe that she remains a pretty vital voice holidays which is why we both had separate conversations with her. Yeah. And I told her, I'm calling you because I respect opinion. Yeah. That's why I wanted to have a conversation with her. I mean, she indictited us, like we should say that like she she she posted on the She posted on the on the Instagram and herost her post was an indictment of the show. Yeah. she kind of walked it back a little bit when I was talking to her. Well, the indictment of the show was not fair I don't agree. Yeah I don't think the indictment of the show is fair. I don't think the indictment of the show holds any water whatsoever I think she's dead wrong And I thought it was needlessly divisive and inflammatory, but I've been there. so I know so it happens if What the messagage on the show said was like, we would think this or you would think this because we had Keith Edwards on. Platformed. We platformed Keith Edwards.atform It wasn't even platform. It was we platformed the guy who's read led a racist online attack against Jasmine, which is not what we did. Right. So But even if we we put them on the show So why? to talk about how yes with black women. But even but even more than that, there's even more context to that in my opinion. We put him on because he was using things that were said on this show. Yes to amplify Yes and underscore things that he was saying. So we wanted to have a conversation not even as much about politics But about the way that we exist in solidarity and cultural translation. so you know It don't matter how right you are Talk nice to bllack l. Yeah. right? You know what I mean? So so I mean, that's a deal. if you don't think that that's a thing, then we can fight when we see each other in terms of that. Not with no hands, I fuck you up, but I'm justoking. Puck you up Maybe keeps to fuck me up, Kids might be taking like cry from my gu God. You never know what are the naked kids just kick me dead my sh. Bitch Um But was But you thought you were gonna L like, u But no. so to while I didn't think that while while I didn't think that was fair I think that what I'm talking about as far as being kicked out the car relates back to that. relates back to that because I could tell in our conversation that there was some frustration there. the frustration might come from the fact that now what you're going to see is the Democrats Probably center and promote The whitest miltes candidates that they have. you're going to get James Talerico, somebody that can stand there and like respond to and connect with white voters inexas. You're going to get Grand Platinum in Maine No matter what we learn about Grand Planet. Yeah Uh, he's going to stand there, fill out the cable knit sweater and talk to the farmers in Maine and say, Hey, I'm an oyster farmer and I'm just like you and listen to what she's saying. Bah, blah, blah blah blah, And he's to succeed Oh, whereas every single idio secretcy any black woman that would a run in that situation Fuck having a Nazi tattoo. haaving any tattoo. Right Right Like any io secrecy for a black woman is going to be pulled apart. I understand that frustration. Yeah. I totally get it. Yes. This is what I would say All of that Everything that we're talking about Is that worth One black mother dying during childbirth just Y'all, we all w the same page. I love y'all even when y'all don't like me ight up. Everything we're talking about all of it, is it worth one black mother dying during childbirth? Because along with a politician comes policy Now James Talorico is very cynically, in my opinion including some things in his platform. mayaybe not cynically, but very deliberately. Well, why wouldn't he? He has to reach out to the black community. So he has now a bllack maternal mortality It's like which you can't complain, right? can't be like what? Oh, well now you want to talk about bllack maternal health. Who gives the fuck? he's talking about Hopefully he implements it. Hopefully he does. But what I'm saying is let's say that Things weren't done to get not that man elected, but that policy enacted. Would you be willing in a year to have someone, a black woman with a like with a baby inside of her Would you be willing? Let's say it's not one year. Let's say it's five years, whatever it is Would you be willing to have her life snatched by doctors who aren't listening to her by doctors who don't understand how to care from her four her not having access to care because all it is is that worth it That actual thing that can happen to somebody was this fight And by the way, that answer might be yes And that's the part that we never talk about. We always talk about the people that have to be free, but we never talk about the people that have to be fucked over. because we want to act like we don't do that. The fuck if you don't, Nigga You do you do it all the time You do it all the time for the people that you like for the side that you've chose and for the house that you are walking into. you do it all the time. you fuck people over. And the question is from a political standpoint, if we're trying to care for people free people, educate people, make sure they have what they need How can we stop fucking them over? How can we put people in place that implement policy that has a lasting meaningful difference And last thing I'll say, It is not my fight, this is yours How do we center these arguments O our feelings on our future man, like It cant be both Fascism is this Corrosive All encompassing. We go and lose it all thing But also your feelings are hurt But I guess it can be, but fuck Wh I mean, either either I don't I'm starting not to under either we under the rule of fascism from another planet and they stamping out everything, taking everything, killing people in the streets, doing all of this. Either that's happening or it is not. It seems like if that's happening I don't I don't see fuck what we talking about with in the black part of Democratic. I'm not so sure if I see D appropriate energy or resistance from anyone. If everything that they're saying is true, y'all sure don't act like that. Jasmine Crocket and James Talorico had different strategies and how they were going to try to win. The Democratic primary James Halerico did not focus on the Back community probably because he knew in a primary he didn't st a chance, notot saying that excuses it, but he probably that's probably why he didn't focus on it as much But Sincey won has said he cannot win Texas without the black vote, which is very true He cannot win without the black vote. So why can't both things be the case You are frustrated and you were upset that you feel like and it's not just a feeling. it is true that your vote Your vote is expected. They are using your vote depending on your vote without fully trying or giving policies that support the very people that vote for them So demand the things that you want like a black maternal health policy, which is something because in Texas, black women are disproportionateally dying at higher rates then any other race And so here comes somebody with a policy I don't know what's going to happen if he gets if he gets u if he if he wins, how that all will work out. but I can gover whher I can get it done in But there is a policy that is specifically speaking to the needs of the community keep the you have the emotion and you have the frustration and you say you wanton our vote. These are what our demands are and you see if they're meeting them, but don't say I'm not going to vote or Not that people are specifically saying that, but it's like it's not our duty. We don't have to do all of that. I hope Jasmine does nothing. Like she can just sit there. like that's not what it should be. It should say, okay, this is the person who has the best policies for our community. These are These are more policies we need you to to say you're going to fight for should we vote for you. Why can't that be something that's done? But back to like having the honest conversation, because We talk about Jasmine Crockett, and we talk about the uphill battle she had being a black woman in Texas and how she was unfairly stereotyped. But we can't say that that's the reason that she did not win the primary. We have to also have an honest conversation about campaigning Because what I think gets lost sometimes is and again, I'm not telling people to let go of their frustrations and emotions is Last year we saw two black women. become U. S. Senators In Delaware and in Maryland and I encourage everybody to go look at Rolla Martin did a whole thing on this three months ago about breaking down the statistics and the numbers and the strategy of both the Talor Rico campaign and the Crocket campaign and how one strategy was completely lacking what the other one didn't have. And that's just a true conversation that you have to talk about if you're going to talk about somebody's campaign in general. It wasn't just one thing, it was a lot of things. And the more you talk about people who are community leaders within Texas or within or even have the national experience when it comes to working on campaigns, they will tell you that Jasmine ran a bad race. And the odds were against her in certain things. I'm sorry, that's the truth. We have to have this honest conversation She ran last minute months after James Talorico did. So he already had this grassroots campaign, this energy behind him, money behind him. The campaign was already rolling on the ground. He had thousands, tens of thousands of volunteers When Jasmine came in, we talked about the rollout of it all, but her strategy was to focus on the five big counties rather than the state as a whole. James Talico had a completely different strategy of that. And if you don't believe what I'm saying, please go look at the breakdown Rolla Martin did on his show where he talks about specific counties. He talks about even in Dallas County or Harris County. She didn't win by a large enough percentage to even get those votes. And a lot of people did not vote. You were banking on people to vote and some of these in the biggest counties when they still didn't come out and vote in the primary because as we've talked about on the show less people vote in a primary than they do in the general election. And so certain things you also have to discuss about the campaigning of it. You talk to people that said they didn't see signs up. They didn't get mailers. There's certain things like that, they didn't get phone calls. So there were a lot of things that were done And maybe because of the timing of it all that just worked against the Crocket campaignign that worked for the Talo Rico campaign. So there's a lot of factors that weren't just a black woman and a white man. There were other things that were a part of this campaign that led to the results that we got in March as well. And I think we just have to have those honest conversations because it's not that a black woman can't be a U. S. senator. as I just said I gave you two examples that just happened last year when we're in this very contentious place in our society, particularly when it comes to race I I guess I'm saying all of this and the reason that I wanted to talk about it and I had to get over a fear of how controversial it could be or people you know claiming certain things about me is because I am passionate about it and I'm really afraid the way things are going, that people are Texans, not people are going to be disenfranchised to vote when other side of it is just so bad. And you have to understand, I am not asking you to not feel what you feel. I'm not asking you to put pressure on James Talico or other Democrats that aren't black to do things for the black community. I'm not saying that What I'm saying is do both. putut the pressure on them, but also we have to work on the bigger issue of turning Texas blue and getting the better policies that work for you. And that's never going to come from a Kim Paxson or anybody who's running a MAGA campaign Well said. So I'll say things one to James Talerico, and then I'll ask you something before we move off this 'ause I think there's a deeper conversation here, not even a deeper conversation, but a different conversation I do think that James Talorico should do one thing that I'm not sure if he's doing right now. All the white people. there are listening Oh he here you're white somewhere sitting down And you got up to brush your teeth this morning and you went, fuck, I'm white No, you guys always ask the same question. You've been asking this question since in sixteen, nineteen. What can we do to help And there's always been different answers what we could do to help man U sixteen, nineteen, what we could do to help is teach' how to read, civilize y', put yall in and dresses and You know, give you religion. I thought yall was helping. And after that, you get out, what can we do to help? Well, we want to help We want to help, We want to put you to work as sharecroppers. We want to help. you know, we want to help. like what can we do to help? And then you get to a point where you're deal with a bunch of white liberals in. I'm not so sure what could I do? What can I do? What can I do? They never do the thing which is right in front of them which is people. They never do people They ever help people They never reach out to people. they never make in rows with people They are part of a system so they think that they have to fix the system. They can't really do that. What they could do is actually invest into someone If James Talerico was really interesting And I don't know that he hasn't done this But I don't know that he has. He was really interested in reaching out to the Black community He would start with Jasmine Crocket first He was really interested reaching out What would that look like? Be because there's conflicting things from his camp versus her camp. If Okaykay, what is his camp saying? they he's reached out and without a response That he's reached out to her and she hasn't said anything. Yeah, like He sent her a few mess but maybe not as hard, right? Like not as hard as he should because because I've only seen like, oh, he' sent her like a few messages or something like that. So If it were me and I was James Talerico. You guys know that I am hard headed, but I don't seek to be dumb I seek to be someone who is useful. It's not about bending the knee or getting down in front of her and grobbling or anything like that. It's about saying I recognize how this looks, how this feels, but not only that I recognize what you've been through. Because another thing that we're discussing when we're talking about Congresswoman Crocket. is we wash the trauma. We watched her get beat up from the highest pull pit. in a nation. And to see her goo through that And then be out of politics, essentially, at least for a while. Huge loss, by the way. Right Be out of politics. That's also gutting for a lot of people because They feel like Trump won And if Trump didn't win, then there was just another white boy with a nicer haircut and a softer voice that came in and did the same thing, but he did it with a smile to a smaller knife, death by a thousand cuts. So if Talo Rico or anybody were if I was in that situation and I was James Haler Rico, the first thing I would do be to make sure with whatever amount of force and enthusiasm that I could that I connected with her connect with her. I reached out to her I made sure that I platformed her. N that I asked her to come along and be under whatever movement that we're doing, but understanding the power of her voice, the power of who she is and also acknowledging how things went and what she's gone through Now if you're saying that he's done that. Oh, I don't know. But what I'm saying is is even if let's just say he had. Yeah. and we're still where we. I don't think he has probably. He probably hasn't. Not in that way., rightight. But It's like it's a lose lose situation because if he has because of where we are right now, right? If he has done that, right or some form of it or whatever, or even reached out like he said, hes sent messages and hasn't had a response He can't say that He can't really say Hey, I tried to reach out And I and it's not about though. It's not lose, lose because it's not about winning. It's not a lose, lose because it's the right thing to do. No no, no, that's not what I'm saying. Okay saying lose, lose is in this situation of like it is it'll look bad Beuse he can't if he says, I tried to she didn't, the response will be, well she doesn't have to because because' because that's kind of what we're getting right now. She doesn't have to. I'm not saying everybody. I'm saying partarticularly what we've seen in these this She doesn't have to. She doesn' have a duty. She't owe you anything.. She doesn't do da. So like, it's almost what I'm trying to tell you is we're having two different conversations. Okay, tellell me. I'm not having a conversation That's right now that's from the purview of what is politically expedient for him or like what he should do from a political standpoint What I'm what I'm saying is more so. and let me be clear What I'm saying is if he actually cares about building community with black people. then He could put up a bunch of policies that are great for us and that's amazing. and that's very important. That's what he should do as a politician But if he wants to foster community he should try to do it with Jasmine Crocket. And if he has, you're saying he should say it. No, no, no, no. I'm not saying that he should say it. I'm saying because I don't know whether or not he has or whether or not he hasn't We're not having a conversation, which is another thing about what James Saler Rico has or hasn't done We're having a conversation. about what Jasine Crockett has or hasn't done And the reality of that conversation is if Jasmine Crocket has just decided No matter what he's going to do, no matter what's going to happen, no matter how this can go. If Jasminec Crocket has just decided at this point that the people of Texas show me their ass, so I'm going show them mine, then there's nothing you could say about that. And by the way That's her fucking business. Yeah Right so so if she's decided that, then that's the deal I'm believing though I believe in what I choose to believe is that she hasn't decided I don't think that she has. I don't think that she's decided that. I think that. Okay. So moving off this real quick, because we've been on this bitch for like an hour almost I want to ask you a question I'm gonna try to ask this without smiling you're already doing. Okay How did it feel Lgitimately How did it legitimately feel Now you can stop you get at me now. now it's I'm the target. How did it legitimately feel to have what you thought was a cogent fear intntellectual take regarding a black woman then weaponized to you don't support bllack women How did that actually feel U I don't think it hurt me as much as you might think it did. Wow When they do it to me, It feels like a fucking kicking the nuts. I get so you tell me I don't love my mama Well, it's crazy when when it happens to me, I really it really bothers me. You know why? Maybe because I am a black woman Okay. so It didn't hurt me like that because I understand what they're saying I understand the sentiment I understand the frustration on certain levels In different ways, I've experienced it myself And so I'm not mad at their feelings. And I'm not saying you are when they come at you, either. It's just feel. I'm not mad at their feelings. I understand it And I just wanted to have a conversation of take those frustrations and use them in a different way. Let's not use them in ways that I feel like is causing people to not want to vote or to tear down to not unify the party Because my whole thing and I keep saying this and if there is a part that hurts, it's like I guess you think that I'm not You know, like people being like, Ohh, Rachel, shut up. Oh Rachel, please, Oh Rachel, you don't get it Those things don't hurt me because I get it. So I'm not offended by it because that's not true Um And I feel like my track record shows that So yeah, I more was just disisappointed that people weren't listening to what I was saying. and that's what I felt like. It was feelings first, which I understand And I just felt like their feelings were clouded. You're not listening to it. I was very particular with my words and that's why I chose to use Jasmine's words because I did not want to personally attack Jasmine. I didn't say it so people could go after her. I didn't say it so the other side could use it against her. I said it because I want people to look past Keep your feelings and use it as a motivating factor, but don't let that cloud the bigger picture of things So for me, I guess I didn't look at it like, man, it's, I mean it always it sucks, right? that people weren't understanding what I was saying. And If the narrative from here on out is Rachel doesn't support bllack women, that would suck If that's what people hold on to But I but I understand, I understand u the energy behind it. I really do I really do. So like, o go my? No no, no, gohead. No I'm done My dad was still living. My dad would be like, He's like The only opinion that matters. is the opinions that's inside this house And he was talking about it him. Like he he was not the kind of guy that would be like, I don't care if you think I'm a good father and a good provider. Like I run this shit here. That's not what he didn't want wasn't like that. He was like, Yo, I care what you think about me because you should be able to look at me and see an example O at least see somebody that if it goes left that you know is going to be on your side, right. But he would like he'd say, I will say this though I do care What the people on this block Think of me And I'd be like, o is expanding it be like, well, why do you care what they like what they say? He was like, because what they think about me is what they think about you How they regard me is how are they going to treat you So They look at me with respect, a little bit of fear a little bit of fear Th when they see you, they're going to see the value. They're going to see me in you And he was like, now, I think about it He was making a point here. he goes I also care what they think about me at your school He's like, I care what your principal thinks of me I care what your Football coach, what your chemistry teacher. care what they think of me all the black people in your life Like I care what they think of me because I want you to be protected. I want you to be valued. I want people to know that Van Lathan Jr. is here. What he did was he set up for me an idea of community to where people's opinions of me matter Like like they I don't overvalue them, but within the community, we got to be able to talk about each other So when I'm talking about something and someone goes, Oh, you hate black women or you hate black men or you hate this person, hate this person I want to get to the bottom of that because That is corrosive and malignant Right? Like that type of everythinginking of these conversations justust they're so So not useful. I agree because we are once again Get off of it. We're talking about power We're talking about politics. We're talking about the rich people that are asking you guys to go out and buy their shit Aguing over like Wh fucking billionaire we should fucking support My God, man, we're in the dirt. And it's like we I'm trying to say, hey, what about you? What about you? What about you? What about you? What about you? What about you? And if you tell me that you are That person or you are them orr you are the person, you're the politician. You're the billionaire. You're the actor, you're the rapper. If you think you're them Good luck Good luck with that Good luck with that. I hope they bring you to C. I hope you get to go on the boat I hope you get to park your wealth You know I'm saying? I hope you get to like not have to pay any taxes on your. I hope you I hope you get to I hope you get to hang out with all of the people and you get to do this. I hope you get to do all of that. I'm gonna tell you right now, you ain't going get to do it. You're going drink the liquor that they gave to you And then youre going argue about them the whole day and then you'll get your ass up and go to work. Like what I care about is what's going on in your community and how you could be better because I feel like I am you Yeah, same. So so like I do not like that stuff. and I think we should do less of that stuff. until obviously in the company of ops. and then even that we'll talk about. Okay. Rachel said what she said? Yeah. I would hope that it's not a thing that continues, like I said, because that's important. but I don't mind people disagreeing with me. Yeah. And I don't mind having those conversations Well, Iess Nica, the question is now. Are you gonna go out there and campaign for Talor Rico? What are you gonna do? pretty sure people are expecting me to do that. You gotta go out with them. You gotta be guy with Talor Rico Did we ever ask them about the only fan stuff? that was after we had Talerico on before he even said he was running. So but like, but he But is that true with the O fans? What they said was is he just follows people back who support him or something like that. Like it was like Yeah, I don't know if it's Hmer or campaign right now if Chal Rico follow me back becausecause if he hasn't followed me back, he followed me. If he hasn't followed me back, but he following Freaky freak sixty nine, I'm have some I'm to have some questions. Okay, so he's only following thirty nine hundred people So He ain't following back everybody that's following him. Is he following me? Let's see. Yeah he follows me. Let me see who else let's see he got on here. He following He following some new we'll see what happens Look, you got piza. Look at him Look, look, look at him Look. Look, you got a picture of him and a black girl look. where we go? See, he's making strides guys. Look at that I can take pictures with you people. He's making strides Happy Jeen. Hter to March in Dror Opal Lee's annual Dunon to the Wal for Freedom y'all mad about thissue. All right, Donny, on the other side of this break, we donre get to something a little bit lighter. Donnie's choice, whatever it is, something lighter. Donnny's choice on other side of this break This episode is brought to you by Fan Dual Predicts. You can predict the summer soccer showcase action all the way to the final match with Fan Dual Predicts. All you have to do is sign up to get your twenty five dollars bonus. From the opening game to the final whistle, stay locked in with every pass, every goal, and every moment that moves us closer to crowning a champion. Sign up now for your twenty five dollars bonus on Fan Dual Predicts Go to fandle d. com slash predicts to sign up. That's fandle. com slash predicts to get your twenty five dollars bonus. Offered by Fandl Prediction Markets LLC, a registered futures commission merchant. eighteen plus restriction supply. S terms at fandoule d. com slash predicts slash bonus dash offer dash terms. I thought that was extremely well done, but go ahead, Donny. Yeah. aggreed. No No pushback there. Yeah. That was our longest quick hitter, but Dny is so shadady Dy is so deceptively shaded. What's going onong with you, Dob were b hter. not this no more. It was good. I loved it. I'm gettinging isated that was Rachel. somebody was Somebody asked me, cant just say what they. Someone said He loves it. So I don't love it. Well I'm just going to say this one last time I'm gonna to be quick If you call me and you talk some shit about her, I'm gonna bless your ass And wasas it a man or a woman? It was a man. Okay. And like I'm gonna toush your ass and it's gonna get uncomfortable. You're gonna to get your ass bused. So just be be nice. whatever it is. I'm gonna to busush your ass. Sbody hit me up and they were like She more on that Omarosa type of black woman thing. I was like, I was like, You know what? I don't like? J you move on? You know what? I don't like? This is what I don't like for real Like see, that's so low brrow. I don't even give it I don't even give anything back. I know I think I think I think he was trying to play, but you know what I don't like. And this is a playerproof thing. Me and Gino once got on a nigga ass for this. Okay. I never told you the story where me and Gino are sitting around and somebody was talking to me and Gino like they was going do Ryan something And I'm like Me and Gino, we listen to this conversation we like I might be These ngs must think we bitch ass nges that we will let you talk about our guy like I'm like, I'm like, oh, you M andino did a whole thing. I'm like, o, are you are you a ho Like are you a bit Like because I I don't think I don't think I'm a bitch. we looked at this thing We like, what the fuck you talkking about? What the fuck you talkking to? You got something to do you got something to say right? You can say us right now like you walking around like you about to do him something. they what you like what you want? That's how I feel thousand percent the time Don't call me complaining about her and like talking shit. I'm gonna bust your ass. Yeah Like Vice vers. same here. It like like I'm a bu. I'm on. I'm on some almarosa. I'm gonna show you txt.' still trying to say sorry. that was a joke. that was a joke. I know, but like And maybe I'm just too I don't know. That's kind ofuff. you are actually more resilient in this than I ever thought that you were Yeah. Be I'll be sensitive about this. I think what people don't realize is I've been I was so highly attacked. during those bachelorette stuff. And then you remember the Chris Harrison, it brought it all back. Like I'm so used to people coming at me that I don't know, maybe I just have like a switch that detaches I do care, like I said, in this particular case, if it continues. becausecause it's just so not what I stand for and I represent. And it would be disappointing because as we've said, andm not I don't want to keep being redundant. We just have to be able to have honest conversations. about eople not just in politicians, people we admire period in all industries. And isn't that what we're supposed to be doing on higher learning? But I'm not telling you you have to agree, but we got to be able to have the conversation. That's why I don't get mad. Like when I call Reesei, I was like, I'm not mad that you disagree. There's no like there's no we mean R had a good conversation. very cordial. agree with a lot.. That's why when you said, when you asked me the question, I'm like, I understand where they're saying. That's whym I'm not mad at you I'm not mad. quite an understanding person, actually. I think so I agree All right, Donie, what you gonna talk? What are you gonna choose? you What are you going? Well, let's see, this is a topic that Rachel is not aware of. So don't get mad U the twenty twenty six XXL freshman class was just Oh Lord. am I going to I belie on the cover again. We're not going to do this. Yeah. the XXL freshman class. What we're going to do now is we have Jade over here. And I am going to name someone And it's Rach versus Jade 's Auntie Rach U, no. It'sty right Auntie Rach versus baby J Now explain to the people like the dble X These are very up and coming. so it's not like I'm holding mainstream. I'm be this one I'm gonna to tell y' right now. Yo If I got to explain to you the Dble XL freshman list This ain't the podcast for you That's not true. This isn't a podcast. I know, man, but Donny, do you know what the Double Xl She does just like I know what it is. Brownie knows what it is. Yeah. I feel like anybody that's listening to our podcast and know, but okay, in case you don't know You white ass, motherfucker. The double XL for almost like thirty years now I don't think it's been thirty years, P probably like the mid two thousands or whatever. They do a freshman l. It's literally ten in ten years I don't do assist. The cover marks the tenth anniversary of the landmark aybe maybe that's not it. It says landmark twenty sixteen, but maybe it's twenty sixteen. Well maybe maybe it is Maybe it was just that because they can't be no fucking ten years because they Wa was on that motherfuck. Okay. So think it was like two thousand seven. aybeual years It was like at least got to be a mid twenty two thousands they've been doing this. Shout out to Vanessa S. Oh, who was on the two thousand? Okay, y So shout out to Vessaing, Oh wellse, o in the wind didn't make it interestnteresting omission Maybe she made it last year I don't know.yway An This is a lady she raed she She's from one she she fucked with Rob. She was from Oregon ere's her name You talking about win? Win Is it win? orr the Yy girl? Yeah. Win win, win coat She's co There's a lot of black women that's cold. She's cold. Okaykay? Like G me some bllack women that's cold becauseuse we can't do it that way. What's the what's the Oh, like give me some like get a new uppisod are new that aren't on the fresman list? Yeah Wh who's the Oh, who's the black woman that got the u the barbecue, the song Where she got Man, look on real huh What's her name? No, it's not Montalea Manrea, it's Montilelea He said barbecue and I was thinking about you know, everything, That one. The one where she was like' that's what like white people to the back. Yeah, white people to the back. Yeah, that's. Okay. so look, Monileleo co. We're now putting she is. She's versatile. She goes. She's versatile. She should have been on here Okay look, but she's been doing it So but you never know you make person anymore. Okay So here's a deal Call out a name Rach first to see whether or not Race knows. then I'm going go to Jade to seeether Jade knows the list. Jade, just let you guys know, Jade is a rapper Louizi. Jade? Yes. Let me see what they look like. Slayer. Oh Louise is like fourteen, right s young Yeah. L he's super young. But he's really tal. Yeah, no, I know of him. I'm looking at the picture Soa Cemo?, Well, you don't know I don't know But no Trap Dicky sounds famili Yes I'm diggyan Blly Gain Cushington No Chris Patrick. That's a wrapper Baby phace E Okay. and Why Kayans Oh my Godd. That's probably the most popular one. Why K Nise You know who that is? No She's Where where me and get a bag Yeah I'm fucking with her. I'm fuckking with O out, this not this. She's featured on a lot of like like Take me to takeake me to. Oh. Oh okay, I love that record. I like that type of energy. I' featured on that. Okay, so you know her. That's probably the biggest one out know. Okay, Jake? Yes. Okay Skrilla. Slla Skrilla. Sorry Iking S sccrills. Sckrilla. No I think so Trim. Yes You know Trim? Yeah, she's the She's the girl I can't remember her songs, but she they're comparing her to Nickki Minaj that she sounds like Trim? Nii Yes. Child to Trim, man. Yes. Miles Minick.. tain wisdom I'm not auntie because she don't know none of these people either. So so I will say this about the freshman list is so let's the freshman list is still something I look forward to every time it drops becausecause I'm gonna go and listen to these people's music Like this is still awesome promotion. The freshman list obviously doesn't guarantee that you about to become like a huge star. L because there have been people that have been on the freshman list and, you know we've known them even before they made the list. they got on the list, you know, there's so much stuff does guarantee still with me still with me right now, the freshman list guarantees that I'm gonna go listen to some of your music if there's like a freshman playlist or something, I'm gonna let all of this spin to see what I like. What's the category? because I'm looking at it from last year and Ian was on it An. and jello was on it Joo Yeah. compared to like Samarrisin or rugrap. These comies have been going crazy. these comies been going I don't know Jade, what do you think about it? Does it still as a Gin Z or it does it hold weight to you? Do y'all pay attention to that? Does it like put you on It definitely held more weight in the twenty ten s I feel like as an artist being a part of it, it's still a great opportunity a lot of exposure Um, especially if like you haven't already been known But I do think that it was more of a like a cultural like moment. Back in the twenty ten s than it is now. Yeah. I think. I also think H. You know, it's just The music's changing, the scene is changing, you know? So it's just I think it is more of a digital thing now than it than it was back then. I feel like There was more of an impact for the artists. Well I think I think something the major thing that's here is it used to be to a large degree that when by the time you made the freshman list, You had like a major label behind you. Yeah had a push coming from someone. You had a co sign coming from Because of the way streaming works now and I don't know the situations to none of these people But a lot of these artists are probably getting it out the mud a little bit more. They haven't had like any major type of push yet. I feel like this class specifically I agree with that because I feel like twenty twenty five EXL fresh double XL freshman list people who had a lot of backing behind them. Yeah. B and Cushingon I actually know the ide This year, I feel like majority majority of these artists are just have a lot of virality toem. And I don't think they necessarily have a ton of backing behind them yet. That's interesting. becauseuse that could lead into our liizal conversation. But before I represent recognize the twenty sixteen list because they were like, this is the tenth anniversary of like the big twenty sixteen one. so I looked U This is who was on the list in twenty sixteen. Okay twenty one Savage Anderson Pack. Dave East, Denzel Curry Designer. Okay G Hervo Kodak black Little Dicky. Little ozy And Lil Yotti. That's that didn crazy. That's why they were But look but if you go back and look at the situations that was surrounding that like Atlanta was going so crazy at that point, like then that's a crazy fucking freshman class. Yeah. That's a crazy fucking freshman class. No doubt about it. That's a freshman class All right, Donny, get us into something more serious now U, okay, more series as in you want to talk about Jay Williams or No, nokay. Let's talk about Lizzo. Let's talk about Lizzo, I guess, yeah, that go about Okay. Yeah, her new album bitch debuted I'm sure to her very disappointing and low sales. It failed to make the Billboard two hundred chart. The album sold roughly two thousand six hundred copies in its first week and saw significantly lower streaming numbers compared to her. previous releases herer last release, the twenty twenty two album Special hit number two on Billboard two hundred and debuted with approximately sixty nine thousand total units sold. So a big drop for so Why are you laughing? I'm laughing There's laugh Im not laugh I let' seriously, I'm not laughing. I haveving no problems with Lizzo. I do wonder something about Lizzoough I wonder if people ever loved Lizzo or if they were just tolerating her People definitely love Lisssa. I don't know Why do you say that? Because Two things. One Lizzo definitely had music that people loved. She definitely had music that people really fucked with. I like the Minnesota Viking song and all that stit.i Like Lizzo definitely had records that people liked, right? I do think that P part of Lizz's Charm Elizzo's deal was that people were embracing Lizo and they felt good about embracing Lizzo, right? They felt good about embracing what Lizzo represented in many different ways. Lizo also had an interesting story I think that the moment that people didn't feel good about it anymore. they jumped off of the bandwagon with the whole thing from a couple of years ago. Now everybody might say That's what people do. when they no longer feel good about listening to you or supporting you. They jump off the bandwagon That's not true I can name you a plethora of artists right now that people don't feel good about supporting But the music and the artistry has just grabbed them and put them in a stranglehole to where they're actually willing to be a little bit shitty. to access the thing that they love. N one Chris Brown. Okay. L is like Arkeella. there's there's so many Chris Prow was a good example. Like you can't Chris up there, you go. I love it. And you go, what does this mean? Well, like what does that mean? Krisar dancing, you go, shit. Name a woman Good question Um becauseause I'm not trying to make this gender warars, no That's actually a phenomenal question Number one I can't think of very many women who have acted this poorly Um, like Just as men do, like there's not as many examples. Right. And that's part of it is. Yeah. if a man did this, well, Mg. M No, you can say Mg. Meg M Me. Meg has what The lawsuit. Meg has I can't believe you did you Well, I guess I'm on a roll, la. I to get kicked off the island. No. But that's the truth. Meg has a lawsuit. If you guys don't remember what the lawsuit is, someone sued Meg and they alleged that Meg Od All kinds of stuff. One of her assistants or photographers, but also there's an allegation that he was locked in a car and made to watch Meg and a woman have sex, whichich you know, if that if there had been a man watching somebody like we're going crazy So like Meg, but I mean, there's no I't know why I'm hitting hard. That's good example What I'm saying is they love her for real. Yeah, that's the point. Yeah. To your point, that's a woman who has certain allegations and her fans still support her right hard for her. She gets opportunities, all the stuff. Right. Lizz old's thing This tells me They weren't fucking with Lizzo as much And like they that this thing came out and they went. they looked at Liz Lizzo and they win. Black lady notot from you I'm I'm just, I don't want to like not from you. You have to be completely energetetically pure. I'm not saying that any of this, I'm not indicting this. I'm just saying For her to get to this point, where We talk in So one need six hundred copies Des flatline. I think I did. I think it's a couple of things. One I wonder if Meg had not gone through what she did with Tory Laneess I wonder if people might have perceived the other thing in a different way. That's just a thought Meg is not the same artist as Lizzo in the sense of I know who Meg is and I know what I'm getting from her. She's clearly defined I'm a little confused on who Lizzo is. What' you mean? Jade's nodding her head. Oh. When Lizzo Lizzo had been out, like Lizzo used to wrap all of that raap sing flute play. she when she really hit her stride in her popularity is like twenty nineteen And it was like pop I'm like, that's Lizzo If I'm looking at the buildu to this album I'm seeing her sing. I'm seeing an alternative take. I'm seeing her rap. I'm seeing her pop out at Coachella during peopleople' sets You know, tw working playing the flute, doing her thing and it's like Wh I didn't know what to expect with this album. and even at the same time she was doing all of that, I felt like I didn't even realize she had an album coming out at the same time, like I feel like some of it was all lost and I saw Isaac Kayays put something up where he said that the person who was running Is it Alantic or music company the company The person who was running it, the person who recruited her, all of that, they're gone. They're not there anymore. So now it's like a whole new set of people and it's very similar to like in sports, when you get a new coach. It happens to me when I was at Extra, when the woman, EP who recruited me and a new one came in, you want your person Because if the other person that was brought in has success, you can't say, hey as an executive, hey is this, I'm the person who brought this in. So I don't even know if what Isaac Haz is saying is true is if she had the right push behind her, they might not be as into her as motivated to market her because she's not their person And that could be also why we didn't see so much surrounding the album. I think's a lot of I mean, I knows more about the music business than me. M He also knows more about being a Drake standan than me He also knows more about being an Atlanta St than me He also knows I'm a Soutpe But u as my back. But I knows more about the music game to me. He does, but I just don't feel like any of the things that you're talking about would be barriers for artists who had a more robust fan base I mean like like right now tomorrow if Fucking Olivia Rodrigo changed all her shit. She put some shit out that shit going crazy. Now, I'm not comparing her to Lizzo, but like what I'm saying is is like There's there's This is this is not Lizzo dropped and She sold thirty five whichich a lot of people would look at as a brick for Lizzo, thirty five or forty. Maybe they wouldn't look at that, right? This is Lizzo sold twenty thousand six hundred albums. They P don't care right now. They also say that Lizzo is a radio darling and not a streaming. artist, right? Olivia is a streaming artist. L she got a lot of popularity and stuff, notot taking away from her talent. Al also Disney, all of that, right? Like she's She was more in the industry and had popularity more of a longer time I would say than Lizzo did. Lizo Big from the radio, people aren't listening to radio. She's not necessarily a streaming artist and doesn't have that fan base in the same way either Like Jay, I've been sure you have a lot of insight on this too. if you wantan to hop in. Yeah, J, what you? I kind of agree with what Rachel's saying. I feel like Lizzo's brand and image has always been kind of constantly evolving, but I do think The time between her getting her big breaks and the time of her getting those lawsuits from her former employees and stuff She wasn't doing much in that time to like really perfect or secure like exactly what her brand was as an artist. and I think that was her falling because say she was able to kind of H. position and also agreed. herer music is very, you're hearing it in the malls. you're hearing it on the radio. you're She has a mainstream pop sound that I don't think Well, It will gravitate everybody on a general sense, but she doesn't have a cult following. She doesn't She's never had a cult following. She's always been somebody. That's your point So able to make general music good music for the general masses. So I feel like Her weak point was her branding. So do you have to have a cult following now? It's so important to have a cult following. I mean, the way this works is this. the way this works in any fandom anywhere. So Lizzo's the last joint that had about damn time on it. sixty nine thousand in the first week So I don't know why That was before the situation. That was before That was before I mean, but but look, sixty nine thousand That's a that's a hell of a number. You only have a couple of people that's going crazy now You're like you only have a couple of people. like that's that's doing one fifty two hundred three hundred sixty nine is a big deal, but like This has This is indicative to me of people notot like just not Be interested in Lizzo, this is indicative to me of people being turned off by Lizzo. Like people see the Lizzo song They don't stream it. They see the thing. they're not playing it. And I do think though that there's a part of this to your point I think it's a good point that you make about the tolerance that we have with women in these situations.'s the same reason whyte Chrissette Michelle got her ass kicked forever Yeah for singing that Trump's inauguration, but his mad Niges that and gone completely Maga. And they don't seem to give a fuck about him. Now those guys might have more hits, more records. We've been with them for a longer time, but I do think There is a different way that we treat people based upon L gender But also with this Lizo situation Lgo Also with this Lizo situation Uh I really do think that when people When that shit came out People were like you can't do The body positivity stuff to us You can't do the stuff at the Lake of games. you can't do all of that stuff. When I say do the bodily positivity stuff to us, that's the wrong way to put that. You can't be that forward facing with it And then Lee a toxic culture inside of what you control I really do feel like people were like There was a betrayal there And they were like, Oh, it's easy to get rid of her I don't know if it's gonna to be like that permanently But I just think that people not fucking will Lizzel like that no more 'cause that shit was like, nah. And part of it is when I say tolerateated I think part of it does come back to the fact that she was a larger woman They're like we feel like we're doing the right thing by celebrating Lizo, by celebrating this, by celebrating. we feel like we're being right We feel like we're being woke. We feel like we're responding to Lizzo's body type in a way. we're embracing it blah blah blah blah. and then like, o, you're not on that we out . There's a larger conversation to be had about the body positivity movement as well That it doesn't exist anymore. That that And and I wonder for the long term How corrosive this is? Man. Eli Lilly destroyed the body positivity movement A lot of people that were telling people rightfully so rightfully so to be able in your own bodies, that we were beautiful at any size, that we were gorgeous and sexy at any size. obbviously as a God has dealled my way. People were preaching that And man, when that drug hit the market they pricked their skin and dropped them fourteen years. Yeah. I mean, it really does show that nobody really believed it That's really what like nobody really wanted. I think it's still people holding on. I would love to talk to somebody from there from the b. We've had we've had guests before, but I just have seen so many stalwords. from that. They look Differe And I'm not judging I'm saying that It's just talking about a movement that existed and now you're seeing the complete opposite. and especially now that It's all so accessible And I know people take it for different reasons. I'm not saying people all take it for the sole purpose of looking a certain way. There are health benefits absolutely tied to it, but it is an interesting conversation to have coming right off body positivity and seeing the pendulum swing the complete opposite way. as things always do, and I'm sure it'll swing right back eventually So with Lizzo, you know, I wonder if, um, If But she lost wayight She did The video This is what I'm saying. People don't know the video. for her first song of this album is her version of her old self, like her old body. She's singing to it. Oh yeah, she lost mad fucking weight Yeah What a pretty lady. Um, always been pretty Okaykay, well, they we'll see what happens. I mean to your point Uh, She is kind of a cross culture star. So there might be some, I mean, but twenty six hundred. Th now were going to see now were going to see if if these any of these joints bang. Have yall listened to this I heard listen to YG. I mean bitch. You listen to listen to you. You watch listen to his out What is his off? How was J sounding I' do. It's I would say I appreciate the storytelling as we do. and I think this is one of those albums that came very much from the harb T telling a lot of honest tr stories You're not phone with it I know when Yall Niga' is just up there talking You like you like you like start't like I didn't like all the st. You started talkking about storytelling came from the heart. Sometimes albums aren't just for that. Not fuck with it. peopleople have albums just are Every time you ask somebody whether or not they li some shit and they go, man this one of the ones I'm really gonna have to sit with andsnd like tenoth You didn't like you didn't like it R that's cool too All right, I want to see what you think about this. A Donnie Jay Williams. the draft Did you see this rach? I did Bill you m one So we saw some whereere were you? some diamond earrings I did. I some diamond earrings. That mustache? Eak. How me with that mustache? don't worry about it. I was must I was in the muste. It wasn't a el stache. I'd never seen a twenty year old with a stache like that. what the conversation Be whereere were you? I was hanging out with my family. I was having a good time. You didn't wantanna come? I knew I was gonna be a lottery pick, so I just decided just to hang out I seen his lotter. Yeah,. Hey, why such a big ovation for you? Was there something wasag was loud. Chicago. I don't know Well. You know, most of the people that went to Dukeper are from New Jersey, New York so Well they also didn't see the future coming. so they were cheering kind of preempt. Sorry, Iow. And listen Wow. the guy was a unbelievable talent. You know. He was okay in college.k o college. He was okay. the trajectory would have been a lot different if he didn't like motorcycles. Yes Yes, that's's that's on record. I wrote a book about it. everybody to the punch. I guess everybody that goes a duke isn't that smart. He wrote a book about it. I'm agreeing with it. If you can't be that smart if you write a book. But anyway. so just to let y'all know We're not talking about like marrying the wrong person or we' felt like you know Hm basasketball technique or something else, the type of mistake. Jay Williams was in a horrific motorcycle accident. He almost had to have his leg amputated His legs are like, he has like a drop leg now He tried to come back. The fact that Jay is walking around right now is a fucking miracle by a lot in a lot of regards, right Man, Jay Dy, you know how fuck with you You know You'd be going crazy sometimes, but you know how fuck with you. You should have bust his fucking ass That's just not Jay. N not not obviously not in the physical. You should have bust his fucking ass and Richard Jefferson got shit Weak could buss his ass about All right. there's stuff we could say. there's stuff that would have been said. on that That's too far, Dg. I mean I'm not I'm not one for the I'm not the faint of heart. But like when we're in a drive session, Niga you kicking off the drive session, Nigga. We're not just sitting talking you want to get I got to put the wheel in your back and crank that motherfucker. Jay dealt with it. I guess the way you deal with it when you're like a Nice upstanding emotional. Regulated man What you're talking about neearly life ending accident that robbed me. I would have been one of the best guards of my generation. J got to go through that hit that from that nigger Jay bususs' ass Hey J. Karen, Kimmy, I love you, Karen Karen, I love you. Karen I love you, Karen Kinney Tail J Vvance it Bus. Richards The thing was was is he's such a troll in these situations. whether it's alive, whether att the draft, like we just saw, whether it's him on ESBN, whether it's on social media, he does it a lot on TikTok. This is so his personality. And I'm actually surprised more people don't come at him for some of the trolling. I think a lot of times, and that's probably what Jay was thinking too People just let it slide because it's like, oh, that's Richard This one was so dark. Like he could like Richard couldn't even get everybody to like laugh or make light of it because it was such a heavy situation. I mean, not only was the accident horrific, and it changed the entire trajectory of his life. Like he's Jay' hass written a memoir where he talked about being addicted to painkillers because of the situation. I mean there was there was the story of resilience from Jay Williams in all of this. He talked about it on some podcasts after this happened and he said that the reason he responded that way is because he didn't want the situation to be about him He wanted it to be about the draft. And what he was most annoyed about is these young men, their lives are changing completely tonight And now people are this is becoming a storyline and you're focused on me and it's for the wrong reasons. And so he said he was trying to, again, super professional. I'm like you. I don't know if I would have handled it the same way, especially because this is what Richard does. so I would have just gone back at him. But The fact that he was able to keep his composure of something that I'm sure he even though he's moved past it, how did you not think about this and For Richard to just throw it in your face like that. That's really reallyally outstanding that he was able to put the young man above it all B way and keep him moving. Anything Any of the comebacks that I would have came off the top of the dome with to Richard Jefferson would have been super non PC inappropriate. Well, his wasn't peing, especially during Pride month So like a lot of like a lot of the stuff that I would I would have so I'm not even saying I would have been like a a great guy about it, but like You wait them waters, man Like You got to that's I don't I'm not mad on behalf of Jay, but That's the kind of shoit. to way if you don't If you don't busts his ass He going come back again. He going to double back. When I was at TMZ He might not with this one. this is bad. When I was at TMZ Once again I don't know why I keep doing shoutouts to Harvey, man. Maybe I'm looking back at my teams. the further I get away from it, the more I'm like, you know It was a terrible place. Not really. I loved it did I don't miss it, but like it was fun. L I don't know what the fuck I tell y. It was fun. The shit was fun. I don't know it was fun there. Fucking misfits running around, ripping and running around the town and all this stuff, whatever Um But Harvey team me up for a joke when I first got there. The joke hereill And then after that, I was walking out, a guy named Rick Mitchell, Rick goes Hey, that's a tough room in there I was like, What what do you mean He was like ' literally my first time on the show He was like That's a viper pit in there inside of that room It's viper pit He was like, you know, that's a good joke, but also when you're in there, you got to stand your ground. And so I was like, oh shit Somebody pops shit at me on the TMZ cameras, I got to get busy And that's the way you keep people off you by getting on their ass Jay should have just a shot across the bow at Richard Jeffers. This is a shot across the bow playaying that man like that That's not funny Anyway, allright too much Donny, what else we got? U Y'all want to talk about ASAP and his recent concert in Arizona. What happened? There's a couple clips Some clips have goingone viral. peopleeople are saying that he was being disrespectful to his wife. Let's play clips back to back. I heard about how Voenus got some beautiful ass women out here. Scotdlves, Phoenix, all this shit. they was just like, that's what all pretty ladies in America are. They in't fucuckking Arizona Thank guy y didn't know me when I was seeing because I all the fuck shit out you was pretty. Be by or she b his b get the sky. You wouldt go for find as one. They here I just gotQ. That's enough. Let's say you' in the relationship. Are you mad at any of that No. I don't see a big deal. I don't see He's a rock star. rapper He's a rapper. He's J's goty different fucking opinion. hereere go brring us What is the problem with that? It's not he literally He's talking to thousands of people not one on one. I get it. But selfishly, if I was in that, would I would feel a type of way, but I get it I think there could be two truths. I think you could understand he's a rock star. That's what he does. But I mean, if I'm Rihanna I'm gonna be like, u I'm gonna to give her an eye roll. he acknowledge that he's not even single. He said when I was single, this is what I would have done. sing No he said But if I was single. but it's like that you know me when I't single Here's deal th He's performing Right Yes. and that's why I said I can't understand he's doing his job as an artist, as a rock star And Obviously he is a sex symbol to a lot of sex Yeah, Ss him Let me ask you a question. Yeah If Rihanna Or anyone did a movie, she had to do a love scinge with a guy. Do you think it would be appropriate Aab Rocky to be offended by her doing a love sce with a guy No, but I think that's I would consider that different just because These are comments like it wasn't like those are lyrics from his song No That's just that's something that he just wants to say just say He's being a bigger version of it.'s per It's the same thing And I get. He's performing. He's being a bigger version of himself to be. hundred percent. one hundred percent. I get it That doesn't but yeah, I mean, if I was Rihanna I still I still I roote. Yeah Guess I could date a rock star. D a. It doesn't bother me. I the type of shit But I mean that's part of the reason he is who he is to your point. He is a sex symbol in addition to being a rapper. One of y'all said it. So like Girls come to his shows. He wants to continue to sell tickets and albums and have the attention and people buy his his products or whatever it is that he's selling because that he has a line or whatever to in conjunction with someone, all a part of the character. I would feel totally different if you showed me a clip at a club And he's not on stage and he's in a section and you overhear him saying this to someone.'s a one on one interaction Like from the stage, I fully expect it, I might even encourage it 'ause I'm the one who gets to go home with you and. I'm gonna be real I feel in this situation A lot of sympathy for ASAP because A lot of people tell me I look like I said Is it time to take another break Like physically, a lot of people say that we look similar, that we are That you're black No, a lot of people say like cheek bones A lot of people say, like tone Jawline. a lot of people say, like I've been walking places before. Well I'll just side seriously, look at me crazy, but like I'm being serious right now and I expect You guys to support I was walking in at Beverly Center one time. Everybody comes up to me and they's like, F with fucking problems. have a fucking problem I was like, what Do you do that That's your song , you do fucking problems. I was like, I don't do that. but I know I see how you could think that I look like ASA I told them that I was like I see how you think that I could look like it. becausecause a lot of people tell me that. I don't even know how to respond to. Nonny donon't even know how to respond Why don't you ask Rrihanna? if she thinks that you look like ASAP.s First of all, You don't think it's problematic for me to ask A lady If you favor him, say, hey, a lot, just like you're saying here, a lot of people tell me that I favor him. Do you you think so? So because you know him to read You know him. Shout out to read obviously. Sh out to read. That's a logical question. That homey. but like which is why I'm tell you ask. But but you think that you think it's so you think it's appropriate For me to hit her and be like, yo, a lot of people say I look like your man. Do you think so? Be I think that's a fucking violation. It's the same way it's a violation for you to get on this podcast microphone and tell people that first off that you were at the Beverly Center because that's a fucking lie. and two that people came that people come to you and tell you that you look like ASAP. A lot of people say, just right now, give me a side by side I just takeake off the glasses, takeake off the hat so they can really they can really make the hat Can we not can we you can take off the glasses like, you know Don't smile Now do that sl by side I feel like I look, I feel like we fake We'll see where the people think And if they're negative Just know that we're living in negative times I favor Rrihanna more than you favorite. Let's see about that That's I mean, but you look, but you but you look like Every Black lady though You could look like a lot of different black ladies. Do you think You look like Niga, you could be Robin Robin giveiv for sure. that all the time. You get you got a little Gabrielle Union there. you got a little Regina Hoall in there. All compliments. I'll take all of these. 'cause these are like these are pretty black ladies And just like Heyap is a model type looking nigga and I also And that same thing So it's the same thing.'s Van, ASAP, Tyson Beckford, typpe six. Those are the standards. All right. What else? What else should we do? Sh we shouldh we just check in on Donald Trump? He going crazy Let's check in on him. Yeah, listed with it. He abruptly canceled what was a planned signing ceremony for a major bipartisan housing bill just hours before it was supposed to happen. The legislation known as the twenty first century Road to Housing Act passed Congress with overwhelming bipartisan support and it aims to boost housing supply large institutional investors from buying single family homes and it will lower or it would lower housing costs. But before the signing ceremony happened, he announced that he will not sign the bill until Congress first passes the Save America Act, which we have talked about. It's a measure that would require stricter voter ID and proof of citizenship requirements for federal elections Perfect. example. Oh, what the Republican Party brought and hath made And it's so interesting to see so many different members of the GOP. Finally running out of patience with their emperor Are they? as he continues to lose clothes Do you know why? Why because They were I mean, you know what drafting is, right? when you're in you're in somebody's draft or where you track You're a track runner. So youre running behind somebody and you're in there their draft, you're in there, we call it in their wind behind them, they're creating a breakaking the wind And you're gaining speed, what is that called? Is that called drafting What is that? I not Whatever the fuck it is is like these people were running behind Trump because Trump the drayal of Trump made it easier for them to move ahead of more talented politicians, politicians that have better ideas, politicians that have more serious ideas. Now, what's happening with Donald Trump is he's fucking losing his mind. Donald Trump is What' you got going on? you okay That's very special Dald Trump is Dald Trump is now obsessed with ballrooms and arches and waiting pools Grandpa is getting crotcheted And he doesn't even have the energy anymore. to bullshit the way that he used to. Trump don't have his fastball anymore. So now what he does has to be very direct Like it's super direct And it's like, You can't hide it. You can't really obfuscate anymore. Some will try. But in this situation, this is a bipartisan housing bill bill. This is Elizabeth Warren and Tim Scott When the last time them Motherfuckers was theyd probably talk all the time with the fuck of m. They'd probably be going to lunch goingo to RB's, Chilling Like all kinds of shit. I don't know what the fuck going on. I don't know how they do it in DC. But They do this bill to address housing. This is a win Both sides are going to spin. the Democrats are going to go, we did something about housing. The Republicans are going to go, Hey, we can we can legislate. We did something about housing. Yeah. Donald Trump put his political power in front of all of that Donald Trump said, yo I might be a lame dun in a lame dunuck in November My political career might be effectively over in November And because you guys are not voting with me on that, which they don't even have the votes. They any fucking sixty votes on that shit Yeah unless you get rid of filibuster, which they do not want to do because you guys can't make that happen Americans are not going to get housing relief that they need. Now a lot of this bill is not exactly housing relief It has to do with all kinds of different stuff that would stop people from predatory housing thing. Right. So we would hope that it would result in housing relief becauset care about that He puts himself in front of the people and there's no way around it We are getting Fucking Mix tape, damn, son. Where'd you find that? We get into mix tape. of Trump's greatest hits of not giving the fuck about people. Yeah. doesnes't really think about people at gasoline prices putting a war before people put houses but we get it there's no way to spin it right now. The ones that are try that are going to try. The ones I going to try at this point are just the deepest, gooeiest, sloppiest dick suckers. I just had to get that in there. Listen, I mean I know you said that But how did you phrase it at the beginning Not the drafting part, but when you were talking about how drafting is what I was trying to say about it That's what you said. But when you were talking about how I don't remember how he said it, so cut that part out But here's the thing This is a bipartisan bill, likeike you said, it's in front of Trump. Trump is now saying it was all geared up, ready to go. And then he's like, you know what? That bill that that act that y'all won't pass Like I'm throwing a temper tantrum and I'm putting my foot down and y'all better pass this act. So it's basically a non issue, right? Because we know that voter fraud is not A real thing, a non issue you're going to put in front of an actual issue that could help Americans, where Americans are suffering. But this is a president who said inflation is great He thinks the war is great. And he doesn't care about affordability, not a real thing to him. So this all makes sense, right? This is in line with I guess prior hits, some of his greatest hits if you're going to say that he had a mixed tape But the reason I could see if like well, it's not going to pass the sinner, right? They're not going to do get rid of the save A not vot. They're not to do get rid of the filibuster It's like it's never going to happen. So maybe this bill will never happen either But we did see something happen where he threw a temper tantrum behind closed doors also this week with the Senate because they wouldn't pass the war powers resolution. L take the restrictions about Yeah. And they took him off.. Just when we were applauding them for holding him accountable and saying, no, we're going to actually assert the power we have to stop you from enter from contributing more to this war than you did on your own without our authority. We're going to stop you. So we're applauding them for actually having a backbone. And then behind closed doors at a lunch, he throws a tipper tantrum and they say, oK, we're going to take those restrictions off and we're going to give you what you want. So it's hard to say I mean, like they they could With Sve A, but the things that they have to do in the Senate, that's just never going to happen. It's not going's so that's I don't know what's going to happen with the bill because the Sve Act just is not going to go through at the moment. and I don't see anything changing within the Senate. But I can't give Republicans credit because they folded.'m not It give them credit. The war powers resolution That stuff is actually just a little candy for the baby. Yeah, But at least they put their foot down for a second. Yeah, now what they're saying is they're trying to D deal with Baby Hughie. and hope that they can get him to sign The uh, the, um, the housing deal by cving a little bit on the war powers. I mean, Cassidy and Trump were in there lobbing insults at one another. Yeah But like, wa, where you? Well I was just going say thiside you know it's just Trump's ego because What they're trying to pass isn't going to require any money Right It's not costing them anything. and it would be a win. like you already said, the Democrats will say it's a win for this reason. The Republicans will say this it's a win for this reason. To be honest, the Republicans need a win going into the midterms. and this could be something that could be beneficial to the Republicans in general, something they can hang their hat on. But Trump does not care. He doesn't care We know about the people. He doesn't care about the party. He only cares about himself and his ego is getting in the way of even doing something that could be beneficial to him in the midterms. somethingomet that they could hang their hat on, like I said or brag about. doesnn't even care with that I think it's even more than his ego. You're right, it is ego. You're right, but I think it's even more than his ego I think Donald Trump is becoming increasingly He always has been But he's becoming increasingly both aloof to people's needs or a loooof to even Giving lip service to his base. That part. Okay Oh And H more tense and quick tempered people around him because I think that there's something existential happening. I think that for whatever reason Donald Trump is in the middle of some existential crisis. He was walking down This thing to address he was walking down wayver call the side walk on the side of the White House or whatever, to address the me. he was winded Like he couldn't get his shit together. Like he's H his he's fallen asleep everywhere Like he's building monuments to himself. He's trying to get Dullas airport named after him. A lot of these things ust tell you guys, a lot of these things Things that people never get to see Yes. You never get to see the airport named after you. You never get to see the big arch in your name. You never get to see those things. He's rushing and trying to get them done telling you E right now If he loses power in November He loses the ability to continue to push through stuff like this and get this stuff done get all of this stuff done And he doesn't feel like it's going to happen I really do think right now that Donald Trump is in the middle of something And part of this is him raging against the dying of the light. I'm being totally real with you. likeike him raacing against the dying of the light N going say anything against that Not a thing. Not a thing. All right Yeah, well I guess we'll see where this one goes. Yeah, All right, we'll see. We'll see because like a lot of this stuff people are peopleople are talking and they're going like, look President is actually Ad He's actually more unhinged than even before. It feels that way though. you used to be able to even in the first term They used to be able to manage him. pull him back from some of his worst decisions now K tryrying to to placate him to work with him and he is just fucking him. He doesn't care. He cares about What people think This is like the last gasp of Trumpism. Yeah. I mean, he's still lying. like he's always going lie. and some of it I think that the lying is like I actually think he believes these lies. L in his mind, he's like, no, this is exactly why this thing happened A lot of it too is He's not lying. He's just saying it out loud. No, I think this is great. Now I don't care about this. No, this is exactly what I want to do. And that speaks to the unhinged part of it where they can't control him anymore. I think he's just like, I'm gonna say whatever I want to say and y'all clean it up. All right, we're going to end on something sort of serious Uh I saw Bill Crp posted this. New CDC data shows young black men in America are dying by suicide at historic rates with black males age. sixteen to nineteen Dying by suicide at a higher rate than their white peers for the first time since the federal government began tracking the data Overall, suicide deaths among Black Americans increased fifty three percent between twenty fourteen and twenty twenty four A rate of increaseed more than ten times faster. than that of white Americans. The crisis is most severe Among Back men ages twenty to twenty four whose suicide death rate reachedty n thirty one point nine deaths per one hundred thousand people The highest amongst any black age group, Mental health experts say factors including unreleased trauma, racism, economic issues, social isolation, and the lack of culturally competent mental health care, probablyb some stigmatization in there around mental health as well that we're continue to try to ress Experts also point to social media as a contributing factor saying constant exposure to violence, trauma under unrealistic comparisons intensify feelings of hopelessness amongst young black men U Donny. You are a husband and a father What did you think when you read this It's disturbing U I think I mean, I always have since I've been a father I've had, u an existential dread about him growing up and him getting to the stage where he is no longer under my watch. And he's out and free into the world But this would actually Like this is something that parents actively go through because these ages are young theseese are young men who are taking their lives So that brings that threat, I think, even clloser to the present. Um, and I mean I honestly, it's I don't know, because you do what you can, you do the best that you can. I'm doing the best that I can now to help him be a decent toddler and to help him grow into a decent boy and have that like grow into a decent man U, And I know that Um, in a lot of these cases parents who are dealing with the impact of their child or their children taking their own lives. did the best that they could. And this was something that still ended up happening. So U I'm like Stuggling to grasp with all of these things as a young parent Um And it just It adds to the anxiety, but it also adds to I think my My will to be the best parent that I possibly can knowning that a lot of stuff is going to be out of my control Um, but yeah, like First thing that comes to mind when I read this is disturbing. and it's disturbing in like a very, very, very present since Raise, what about you I saw this and I thought that this is devastating and it's devastating for for so Many reasons, obviously, Nana manan, I don't have brothers I have fathers, I have uncles, I haveve cousins, I have friends. O nephews And You know, I You can go through like certain things, right? Like you can talk about, I'm sure And even in reading off Asani was reading this off, it's like you can look at the compounding weight of unaddressed pain, I guess you can say Racial, social Economic. I mean, just Last week, I'm in tears, right? And I'm crying over the loss of Well, it was a compounding number of things. I'm crying over the loss of a one year old child that was shot We're talking about Carmelo Anthony and see it however way you see it is still the loss of someone's future things that could have been different. things the way they were handled the way he was the situation could be misunderstood, the way he was represented. and even you talking about, which again brought me to tears was the realization that The laws in place or the defense in place, it doesn't really consider you because it's not your ground And as millennials and G X. We grew up at a time where not saying these things did not exist But there was also more of a hopeful conversation of like I'll just say the American dream, N not saying that I necessarily believe in that, but just like things to look forward to, things tob like things that felt like they were in your reach age group that they're particularly talking about twenty to twenty four. I don't know if they've grown up or seen the same things in the way that we did. Again, I'm not saying those things did not exist It's just the way that they've grown up, what they're able to access with social media, obviously that's a huge factor, But the way things might seem bigger or heavier on them because they are privy to more things and more connected in ways that we were more isolated with our communities and had more of a closeness that they don't necessarily have and with this age group twenty to twenty four this G Z It's it's Again, it's it's just so Sad And I don't think that we're talking enough about it. And when I saw it I wasn't shocked by it. I was just really saddened by it because even when I talk about Cohen, when I talk about Carmela, when we talk about some of these stories that we continue tragedies, I should say that we continue to talk about on the podcast, the running ame of it But are there the The common denominator, I should say with it is that it does not feel like your life is valued. as a black person, and I'll say black men because that's what we're talking about. So if you don't feel valued and you aren't as connected and don't have the closeness that we had growing up because certain things didn't exist in society that are more isolating Of course, these young black men are subjected to things in a lot heavier way. And then when I add on to that, okay, this is how they're feeling, well, what do you do to help them. I think that there's an access gap They don't have necessarily the access of the therapy or the counseling are that other maybe demographics have more access to. So it's just like a really It's a really heavy thought because there's so many things that contribute to the loss of black men in this society systemically and the environment all of it and now suicide you're adding to it It's so sad. Of course you know the story with Nick and the shotgun. Yes, yes, yes, yes. But I think about that story. if you guys don't know the story, it's like, One time, I was laying down very upset In't really upset I wasn'tleep. I hadn't slept in a long time For me, my skin was on fire was very bad time and I was like I'm laying out in my bed and I go like How long can I do this? Like how long can I live this particular way? It just felt like I would never be the regular happy go lucky van again. I just thought that was gone Like how long can I do this? And I started laughing and I'm like that was legit ideation, right? Like That was like legitimately, I legitimately thought about it for a second So didn' like, I talked to my therapist And my therapist like, hout out to Cole, she goes, Okay, well you have your shotgun, your shotguns is what you looked at. I'm like ye She's like, takeake this shotgun Um, yeah, you can keep the gun But she was like, give all of the ammunition away to someone who you know you can trust I gave my ammunition to Nick May Who is somebody that I trust Somebody that will take care of people that takes care of everyone around him They could talk a lot of shit, but he's the most reliable person in this entire city. Nick May. That's why I gave my shotgun ammunition to he still has it Um And I think about all of that stuff. I think about that I think about the immense amount of privilege that I had during that situation I a therapist to ask about I had the wherewithal based upon the point in my life that I was at to be able to realize and recognize what was happening to me be able to say that was an ideation. And then I had a friend that I could take my shotgun ammunition to Then I had a car. to be able to get in and drive over there and take it to them Th I had like standing and stature, I know that I'm valuable. S many young men don't have that So many young men, it's legitimately the only thing that they can turn to is the means of their own demise. It's the only thing that they're talking to. Nobbody's talking That is why , when we have conversations, about male loneliness and about isolation amongst males Got. P more sensitive in Chat And I say this knowing full will Actually not knowing full well. Let me say that again. I say this, not knowing what it must be like to live in a society this is to you and to you That is Always centering males, always centering what men are going through We have to talk about how men are going like howy around mens like that. I get that. That's that's that's complete bullshit This conversation is real Yeah And like like this conversation particularly about these young guys. That's why I say, hey Call me trash. I'll be trash I have to talk to them Because we talk a lot about life, but we never talk about living Living happens every day, happens every second Living is not just going to college. Living is getting up and going to the subway at your college And how do you feel? Living is getting up and going to the drug store or getting up and going to the bookstore at your college and having somebody follow you around. living it happens every single second And You have to do that on purpose You have to exist on purpose. You have to exist with purpose And you have to know that you have purpose And you have to know that finding a purpose can be a purpose in and of itself. I'm looking for my purpose is one of the most delicious thoughts that one could have I don't know what it is yet, but I know that it's there and I'm looking for it All of that has to do quality of life and an understanding of how this world orients around you and where you fit in your family and your culture and your spot in this universe That is just very important for these young brothers to have There's just so much pulling out them Young men, young women, black people pe so much pulling at them I'm not militant enough. I'm not smart enough. I'm not making enough money. I have an opinion Everybody attacks me for the opinion. I have a thought is wrong. I drop is wack. We are feasting on each other And I know that this is coming from a podcast that exists in critique of people sometimes, but I try my best. The only thing I pray for, the only thing I pray for A I pray for my hair to come back But the only thing I pray for other than that is I pray that I am being compassionate I pray for compassion. I pray for empathy. And we just got care. Like we gott to care because I tell you something. The ones that's not harming themselves They harming somebody else And we've been here And we've talked about it and we've seen what happens Um So These numbers With the way we're just on this I'm looking at this. I'm looking at this on the shit. I'm looking at all of other shit and all of this other stuff. We're talking about all of these conversations. We not even people know more. We algorithms I saw something that said The fucking app knows when I'm looking at it No, the fucking Meta knows when I'm looking at my phone They know not when I'm scrolling, they know when my eyes are trained on the phone We just not control of these brands anymore and we got to figure out a way to get control of them again. I don't got too much to say. I just tell you something man If If if you are a human being I love you. If you're a young black human being, I really love you Like if you are a young black person out there, I love you so much it hurts, man And I want the best for you. That's it Race, you guys got anything more to say about C and Cro before we leave, You guys parting shots A fresh out. see, I just did it. I just I did all that shit that I came right back to do it. I'm fresh out. B I love you if you're old too, but what You kind of had your chance. No I'm just joking. I'm just joking I'm just joking, I'm just joking. I just want to these kids get a chance to laugh and lovegh. That's why I watch that show forever I love that show. I love that show so much Thank you, Mara For young black people in love with Wood Harris I love that So Thank you for young Black people Great skin. They got a good skin regimen on that. It's beautiful. when season two drops, we got to have some of them come through. That's so good. Joe love to see young black people. I cried in it. You like that shit?. I loved it. It's been a long time since I fell in love with two characters like that Probably since Lawce and Issa Lawrence and Isisa. What happened at the end of Insecure? They got married. Lawrence and Isa got married. Yeah. and had a baby. I actually didn't realize this. Oh wait.id they baby that was his baby. I was b baby the other person but they gotst st that mom. So I saw I saw I saw one thing where she u She shot the baby like Kobe. Oh yeah. That happened at the end the show, but it's like a thought of hers. I need to watch the last se's name. That's so funny. Yeah. love L last se's. I lo loveved them so much. I take in Cs off with aboutide L V. I' Rachel L Lency. Bye guys