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Grab yours now at stellbluecoffee.com, Amazon and select retailers nationwide. Crackers . Hoopin' and hollerin' another episode and I'll just start off by being like, yeah, Jay Will, you were right about Lebron . That's LeBron James. You know what I'm saying? Why y'all ever keep doubting LeBron James? I'll never doubt him again. Don't ever doubt him, and y'all are so lucky that Buddy didn't have a headband on. You think that that would have made a difference? He's playing like he had a headband. Yeah, well they yeah, but if he really did, it'd be a lot different. I'm not I didn't doubt LeBron James. I did. I value how much Luca and AR bring to the Lakers. Yeah, but that that's that's that's that that's us as a society taking LeBron James for granted, what he brings to the table. He don't have to bring that shit when Luca and AR are out there. Yeah. Now he has to, and guess what he does? He's not just floating , he's not just playing above the rim, seeing the entire but he's making huge shots. Huge shots, huge defensive plays. But shout out to Marcus Smart. Let's start off with Marcus Smart. Okay. Shout out to him. He's ooping. Like, looks like one of the best point guards in the NBA right now. Literally looks like he's at Oklahoma State. Yeah, bruh. Yeah. He's very complete. Yeah, Aiden's hooping. You know what I mean? They're all they're all doing their thing. I just think that's what pros do. When when guys are are out, they just got to step up The end of the game three where they kind of had that huge comeback. They lost game four, still three-one, though. Still tough to come back three-o, much less three-one. Uh, but the fact that he he's able to make that huge shot , does that change anything about his legacy? I know we talked about that. Like it's the kind of thing that's like hey, if he had hit those two in a row, that is all time highlight tape. I think the fact that he's just taking care of business though is part of the story. Yeah, I I I don't think that the the making the shots or missing the shots puts him up or down on on the on the pedestal. I he is where he is for me. Um like I said, Jordan, Kobe, Braun, they're over here. They're different. I it's it's hard to talk about who's better and who's not. You know what I'm saying? I know w we're on here to talk about that type shit, but you know, it is what it is. I think the the longevity matters, bro. Like people love to say, oh, that doesn't matter. Like, who cares? Like, he is 41 doing it. He's playing with the sper m. Yes. He's throwing alley oops to his own sperm. Just a ray or just one of his sperm. He's just up there fucking catching his own alley oops. That's just a sperm of his. That's fair. People are trying to brush that off. Like like he's playing with his son. Yeah. His son and and he's not just playing. I think that there was an idea that this is charity that Bronny is charity. At this point Bronny is not charity. He's a valuable contributing member to the Lak ers. Yeah, at this point, right now, yes, for sure. And I think that too many people were willing to right off the bat at the beginning of his career last season be like, Man, this is just a fucking nice thing they're doing for LeBron James. But maybe it's reinvigorated his love of the game of basketball. But like it's helpful to the Lakers right now. Uh JJ Reddick's not just putting somebody on the court because he's friends with LeBron. I agree. And I I think all them people that that say that the Lakers just drafted Bronny because it's LeBron James the Sun type shit. They they're they're LeBron haters. Let's be real. There's a lot of LeBron haters out there. It's an industry to be a LeBron hater. You could get a job on ESPN I don't I don't get that. Why why? He's such a great basketball player. Why what what is there to hate? And it and I don't know him personally. I just said what's up to him, blah, blah b,lah another never said on the porch with him. No balcony time, none of that, no golf time, none of that. You know, maybe one day that's coming, but but just to hate the man just because he's great and and better than your favorite player, that that don't make no sense to me. Yeah, I think that he is year after year proving people wrong. But he probably has more people that hate him than almost anybody on planet Earth. Maybe Jesus, you know, people hate on Jesus. I mean I hated I don't I don't fuck with John Stockton one bit. But that man was a motherfucker. You know, is that fair? You don't fuck with John Stockton? No, I don't really fuck with John Stockton. He cheated a little bit, you know, he got got away with a lot of shit. But what do you mean? Well, you know, he'll step on your feet, grab your shirt and shit like that, you know, hold just that type shit. But but when it comes to hooping, bruh, John Stockton was a motherfucker. So I that that's why I don't get why people can't do that with LeBron. Yeah. Differentiate this. I just don't get it. I mean, yeah, maybe you don't like a buddy as as a as a person or whatever he does, da da da motherfucker can hoop. A hundred percent. I think early on in the season we talked about the Houston Rockets and we talked about their point guard situation and we had questions about their point guard situation. And I think that at the time people probably thought it was unfair. Like, oh, you guys are going hard at Reed Shepherd or whatever. But if you look at the end of game three, you see exactly why it was important that there were questions about their point guard situation. And it was important that they hadn't resolved that situation because you're seeing Reed Shepherd trying to bring the ball up the court and he gets that ball poked away. That's the exact reason that you either need to replace Fred Fred Van Vliet or do something different at the point guard situation because they had somebody in the playoffs who isn't capable of filling that role. Who poked that ball away? Was it Macus Smart or was it uh LeBron James? I think it was LeBron James. Yeah. Um but no that that I mean I think Reed Shepherd is is fit for the job. He just didn't make the right play there. If two guys on you should have passed the ball, right? Yeah. I was about to say that that was like team mistakes in the end. Like read Reeds looks bad because he gets it he turns it over, Braun hits the game tying three. But they made team mistakes. Uh I think it was Tate, um, I can't remember right now. Either Tate or uh Easton files a three-point shooter before that. Then you turn you also turn the ball over before. So that's like team mistake. That's right. Even even Reed's uh turnover there wouldn't have been nobody would even think about that turnover if Braun missed that jump shot. Right. You know what I'm saying? So yeah. It's not I I can't say he put it on Reed's fault on his shoulders, but but yeah, he just you made a you made a bonehead play there. I'm not saying he's a bad basketball player. I'm saying that he's being put into a situation where he is the ball dominant point in that position of the game where it's like that that's not exactly what he was even brought over to do. Like he is a incredible shooter, like a better defensive player than he gets credit for, but that that's not what he should be doing. Like that but the the Rockets just never addressed that and Fred Van Vliet I don't makes that mistake, but that's not the situation they're in. Yeah, well the other down three one. KD Lumen too. Is is he is he gonna play? T is it tonight or tomorrow? I think tomorrow. Tomorrow, because they they won the last night. They played last night. Yeah, you're right. Um but tonight when this episode comes out. So uh I I d I think that he should. I think that he will, but I think that it's disappointing when you're put in a situation like they don't play till Wednesday. Oh, they don't play till Wednesday. That sucks if KD's hurt, bro. I I mean he's such a good player too, and like just to see those two guys play against one another, maybe maybe for the last time ever in a playoff series. Quite possibly For sure, because he I mean he knows that his team needs him. Right. And he can't I mean if he had a pistol to his head I bet he'd be out there, but I just know I I think he knows that he just can't do what he can do because his knee's not right. Or whatever it's his knee, right? Yeah. Yeah, he can't do what he does. I don't think KD owes anybody anything either because he's been through that. Like with the he had a the cat for Golda State, had the calf injury, tries to come back in the trip, Achilles. So he's probably like, all right, I've I've seen this movie before, I've seen what could happen potentially, so it's like all right, I gotta be healthy to be out there. Yeah, and then yeah, like you said, who who can who can blame him, right? Other guys that are out for their series and then coming back and not being able to do anything, my boy Joel M B dude. I I I don't know what it is, but the Sixers look like a better and more functional basketball team when he's not out there. You mean when he's not Well if he had started this series with them, maybe that you kind of grow into form, but when you see three games of them without him and then one game with him, the game of basketball looks like it's fucking like jammed up when he's out there. It's not as freely flowing, like the ball's not moving. It doesn't seem like everybody understands their roles as much. It just it it looked clunky out there and the cell I don't know if it's just that they're playing against the Celtics and if somebody else maybe they have a better chance against one of these other teams, but it didn't look nice out there uh see seeing him play. Well let's let's give credit to the motherfucking Celtics. Okay. Got to . I mean, Joe Mazzula. Yeah. I mean, name a better coach than Joe Mazzo . It's hard. I know. I mean, he's got talent too, though. He's got a his team is by far the best team on paper from one to fifteen. For sure. Like you you put in these guys late in the game when would you give that over OKC? I would from one to fifteen. But like the one that's an interesting conversation. I think the OKC is like the the eleven through fifteen on OKC is also pretty good. I agree, but but but the the those guys aren't playing as hard as Garza and these guys are coming in for the Celtics late in the game. The Celtics drop off from from from s one through seven and then and then uh eight through fifteen is is now talent wise it's probably a little bit but but but what playing the game the right way there,'s no drop off. Missoula has those guys playing. Who's the who's a bald buddy on the Celtics? Yeah, Jordan Walsh. Yeah, Jordan Walsh is fucking like it's like, what the fuck is uh how where's he where did he come from? That's right. Uh Arkansas. Arkansas. Yeah. It's like what SEC is just different. It's different. But also like when you look at the Celtics, and I think that we've done a a good job of even trying to talk about the guys down the roster on the Celtics, and you're still it's like, uh oh, there's Jordan Walsh playing meaningful minutes in the playoffs, absolutely disrupting what teams wanna do. And that's gotta go back to Missoula. A great leader of men. I don't even know the guy. I'm just going off what I see and how he carries himself. And that's not a a facade at all. He's doing that day in and day out, bro. He don't care. He don't give a motherfuck about nobody out there but winning and the Celtics. That's it. Celtics, I don't even we talk about like the point guard thing with the Rockets. Celtics don't really have like a straight up point. It's just every it's like by committee. That's right. So like you get to rebound, some somebody's filling that lane, somebody's filling that lane. And whoever happens to be here, that's the point guard this time. But Pritchard could go for, you know, f 40, it looks like. But at the same time, uh, you know, uh Derek White could be playing defense that like like elite level defense I think that people were talking about a fall off of uh but like Derrick White is still playing at a at a very high level and he showed it the other night against the Sixers. I think we're talking about all these players that haven't mentioned Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. Like that's right. Like Tatum came back and is like, yeah, I'm still Jason Tatum. It's like he never, never left. And the boy, what's the boy in the center's name? Uh he's hooping too. He knows his role, bro. Like he's out Who has the best chance of beating the Celtics if you had to pick one team? From the East or just both. Oh, I mean Oklahoma City, I think, and the Spurs. No, from the East though. Oh, from the East. Nobody. Man. Let's just be honest with ourselves. Fucking nobody. The the the the way they the at the rate they shoot three pointers, bro, there might be one game that they miss a couple , but they're gonna win the best out of seven against anybody just because they shoot so many threes, I think. And I mean not to talk about how good they are. I mean they're the best team in the East. Let's be real. They're the best team. You would say like maybe the the Cavs have like you want to catch m uh uh lightning in a bottle or something like that, but if the Cavs are having trouble with how hard the Raptors are playing, what the fuck are they gonna do against how hard the Celtics play? Plus the offense that the Celtics are bringing up. Right. They have a such uh more interesting offense, and like the the Cavs are like falling victim to Colin Murray Boyles, like that that like uh uh like really tenacious offensive re bounding where it's just like a bunch of dudes who are just gonna play their ass off. It's like that's that's the whole that's all the Celtics. That's everybody on the Celtics. And their coaches uh uh three times higher than them. Is it the best thing that ever happened to the Celtics organization that Ime Odoka was doing whatever he was doing that wound him up down in Houston because they wound up with with a a an absolute dog. Like that that kinda helped them in the long run. I mean you gotta say, yeah, that's probably uh yes, that's the best thing that ever happened to him. But at the same time, I think you do would be in a good coach for these guys too. I mean, fuck. I'm not taking anything away from Joe Missoula. Don't take anything, but we could coach the Celtics. That's how good they are. Yeah, but if we're looking at what's happening down the stretch with Houston, we said that the whole problem was mental mistakes down the stretch. And it's like, well, doesn't that go back to the coach at some point? Or or But what's he supposed to do? Put someone else in, right You got that you got that guy out there because he's your best guy right now. Yeah. You know what I mean? I guess so. It's Jimmy's and Joes you're saying? Yeah, the mental mistake. Nah, you throw the motherfucking ball to the right colored jersey. That's what you do, bro. If you got two guys on you, pass the ball. Don't foul. Don't foul a three-point shooter for sure. 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We said that it g'onnas be hard to win in uh in Toronto. You ever heard a hard head makes a soft ass? You ever heard that? Golly Yeah, but you were the same guys who were saying that the the the Knicks wouldn't have any problems with the Hawks and What's that what's that? two Two two two change What did we say in six the Knicks or something like that? I I I probably I think I might have said it might get swept. I'll I'm gonna be honest. Yeah, I I was wrong about the Hawks. What do they say about hard heads and asses and stuff? Yeah, yeah, I I just admitted to it. I fucked up about the Hawks there. But but but so get on that topic. You think the Hawks gonna beat the Knicks in this series? I think that they have been playing to a level that I thought they would and I feel like a lot of people were disrespecting them, but I just don't think that the Knicks, it's it's not all there in the same way it was the last two years. They could still wind up winning this series or going on a run, but they would have to put it together in a different way. And I think losing Tibbs is an underrated thing. Because come playoffs, Tibbs will have you playing your fucking ass off. Just like Joe Bazoul. Six guys. Yeah, say he'll have six guys playing forty minutes tonight and they'll be fucking dying out there, but they'll leave they'll leave their fucking soul on the court. And I don't know if that's him not being there, but I haven't seen that type of Knicks team this year. You think that's from the from the coach? I don't know. Who's the who's the Knicks leader? Is it the coach? Brunson. Sure. Well then why ain't Brunson telling a motherfucker to play hard? He got a thumb up his ass, bro. I don't need to the first knuckle, Charlie. That's it. They're just joking. Yeah, they're just joking. I think you gotta give uh CJ McCullum some credit. Yeah. They're head hunting Brunson in the in the games. Like, yeah, we want we want you. CJ's making plays. But then Brunson missed uh uh to go ahead shot for him to hit that shot. So it's like, yeah, who's you guys are battling in the end? It's a I don't know I don't understand why they just don't go double uh uh CJ McCullough and it gets the Brunson switched on him. I mean right away make him passive if fucking cat got forty or or mount uh bridges got forty fuck it well but I think that they're probably like CJ McCollum yeah we'll let CJ McCollum beat us yeah for the Hawks not not cat now yeah but but like I think that coming into this series, I don't think that CJ McCollum was getting the level of respect that we're trying to give him right now. They're like, okay, journeyman, his time was kind of in obscurity with the Wizards, like maybe his best days are behind him. We're not necessarily seeing the Blazers. Right, but he's playing different right now. Yeah, but like we haven't been seeing it. Or like when you see it on the Wizards, you're like, okay, is he just getting the Cam Thomas like uh garbage time, like somebody's gonna score type minutes, or is it is it legitimate? Now we're seeing it's definitely legitimate. I think it's legit. Now yeah, he was on Portland, like they were they were in those conversations, like Western Conference Finals and stuff. Then you get shipped some players get shipped to die. Like you go to the Pelicans, you go to the Wizards, like, but now it's like all right, I got some Speaking of Portland, I think that we need to maybe give them I mean they're they're being sent off they're they're down three one they're probably gonna lose that series to the Spurs, but they did better than I thought they were going to if Wimby didn't return, Spurs, it would have. I think Spurs would still win. But when remember we said uh I think we said Wimby, like Spurs would still be very good without Wimby. Yeah, nah. Like Wimby's the most value. Like just the what he causes the other teams to do is crazy. It changes everything. I think yeah, I think I think just him being out there gives gives the other four guys uh uh uh little safety net ? Correct. Bro, literally, of course, like it's crazy. He'll get the rebound, dribble up, step backs, like, yeah, whatever. Him in the pick and roll with like De'Aaron Fox, um, Stefan Castle, Dylan Harper, they're just like, all right, I'm tough, so I can score either way. But I have Wimby to just anywhere, bro. Like he just throw it near the rim, he's going to get it. And then defensively, he's he's he's he's stupid, bro. Yeah, that's fine. That's my new term for Wimby's stupid. He's fucking st or it doesn't make a fucking lick of sense when he's a little bit. Imagine when he's like twenty-eight years old. That's what I was gonna say. Four or five years, bruh? Because he he got everything already. His handle just gonna get better, and his jump shots gonna get bet Yeah, bro. It's it's a rap for most folks. But the the uh trailblazers did a good job. Scoot did a nice job. If we're trying to write him off, I mean what wasn't he in the conversation with Wemby at at w at one point when they were both about to get drafted? There's people like, I don't know, Scoop might be him at 6'2 . Uh that would have been a crazy move. But I think that they did better than uh what I expected of them. So to the captain. So nobody nobody thought they would be here. So So th they turned things around. Um but Spurs are super dangerous. Thunder are super dangerous. Like Thunder, like we know what what time they're on. Like they're Thunder is and the Celtics are are they on a crash course. Correct. Jalen Williams getting hurt though. That might I don't know, that might hurt a little thing um something, but yeah, that's where their depth really comes into play. And their depth is just a product of their front office being able to draft guys and add guys and speaking of depth or lack thereof, the Minnesota Timberwolves are they in trouble? Yeah that,'s tough. Definitely definitely in trouble. I mean they they're up three one, so it's tough to be like, oh, they're in trouble. But at the same time though, you need those guys. And if anyone can fight back . Like if anyone could fight back. But I have seen like a little bit of discourse online saying that they people think that like we're not seeing the same joker that we've seen before. And I'm kind of like, what the fucker what are we talking about here? Because I I I feel like Joker is still the Joker. He's still b finishing up everything, passing everybody, catching every rebound. He's just had a couple bad games. Yeah, wh uh like the first game in Minnesota in the series he had a bad shooting game, I think. So maybe the people just think about that way. He uh seven for twenty-six that's not from the from the field, two for ten from three. Yeah. Finished the game with with twenty-seven and fifteen, but yeah, seven for twenty six. Yeah for for Joker that's that's bad news for for for but do you think that that is a long term thing like we're seeing less of a player that we used to or it's the greatest player in the world. Fuck you talking about I agree but, I think that I don't know what people are trying to cut together the fact that hit like more of his his shots are coming like fading away instead of like falling towards the bass. Like I don't know what they're they're looking for, like a lack of physicality, but he's he's a guy whose a game is going to age gracefully, and I'm surprised to see this narrative about it. Well let's give a little credit to Rudy Gobert. Motherfucker can play some D now. You know what I'm saying? Four-time defensive player of the year. Right. That that that that that that's just not no slouch out there. Yeah, he and he I think that people kind of forgot about him. Well Sass, what's up, brother? Sass, what's up, pal? How's it going? Straight like eight. Yeah, I think that uh Rudy Gobert is uh he's still doing it. Uh the the magic, bro. We have to give a little bit of Orlando magic. We gotta give a little bit of credit to the to the magic. If the Pistons don't win tonight, they're in trouble. They're in trouble. Yeah, bro. Kate Cunningham is a motherfucker. Okay . But they ain't as good they ain't the number they ain't I don't know if they're the number one C in the city. They don't look like the number one C right . But Kate Cunningham does. But the rest of the T. Everything everything else around them, like I don't know if it's just the lights are too bright or the guys are too young, they just haven't been there before or like Duran ain't showed up yet. He ain't showed up yet. The magic have size, and I think that they're able to kind of you know that there's different guys who can make life hard for Durant. They are. And I I don't know. Pistons better win tonight, or they're in trouble . I mean it's it's nice to beat the Celtics right now. Because you're looking around the East and they probably aren't even uh because Missoula probably has their their heads on straight, but like they're probably looking around the east right now, just being like, Well like where where's the competition at? Yeah, they go. Where where's the scary teams at? Yeah, the magic in the Eastern Conference Finals. Magic Celtics. Are you serious? Watch. Magic Celtics? Yes, sir . No. You you ain't rolling ? Well, who y'all picking? I mean uh Max over there licking his chops. Yeah, well I mean anybody that plays the Celtic's gonna be Cav Celtics. You got the the Cavs? Cavs sevens . Oh no. Cavs in seven over the Raptors . Six or yeah, I think that's winning in Toronto . I mean, you a couple plays go your way last night you win, but like you said, you they didn't ultimately win. So I do got the Cavs though. I think they'll pull it out against the Raptors. They should, they're right, but man, them them Raptors, boy. I think that Pistons Magic series is going seven. Do you really? I do think the Pistons are winning tonight? Yeah. I think that's going seven. Yeah, bet the five dollars. DraftKings. We got a five dollar bet. Me and Jordan. Speaking of, I think we got a we got a little uh parlay segment that we're gonna hit. Yeah, we gotta get Jay Will in a DraftKings commercial. I think that that would only be right. But here's one right now. NBA playoffs are in full swing and the intensity isn't letting up. And with DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NBA, your winnings can be boosted every single day, all playoffs long. 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Let's build one for tonight. Like a little cheeky parlay. All right, take the magic. Gotta be at the top of the parlay. Wait, no, no, no. That's for that's for last night technically if we're doing podcasting uh days. Oh got ya. So uh what Trailblazers gonna be good for a long time, but anyway, go ahead. Okay, well, Trailblazers against this burst. We take something in that game or you want Nick's Hawks? Something from that game? We could build a little bit of parlay right in the game. Okay, we're a Sixer Celtics. I mean I don't even know if that's worth uh That spread has got to be 72. Okay, it's eleven and a half. Should we take the Celtics? Fuck. Should we take the Celtics? 11 and a half. Is MB playing? Probably. Yeah, let's take the Celtics. Oh, okay. So it's all all in one game. So we're gonna take the Celtics. What else can we take in this game? Should we take who's gonna score a lot? Maxie's gonna score a lot. Okay, Maxie over twenty-five points. Listen, man, I'm I'm probably the worst gambler that you've ever met or listened to. But if I were to put five dollars on it, which we are taking Maxie over to Pernts. Okay, Maxie, we're taking the Celtics. Any b anybody we could bet on on the Celtics that's gonna score some perts? Oh you Jason. Peyton Pritchard? No, I think Jalen Brown, he didn't have a good game last night, did he? Yeah, that's a that's light. Yeah, I've got Tatum and Pritchard went off. So what about how about 25 points for Jalen Brown? Yeah, I like that. Okay, so those three guys, and uh if we bet ten bucks on that, that's ten bucks to win sixty five. That's a good little part there, right there. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, okay, it bets in. I can't believe we ain't got the magic in there. I mean that's gonna have to be the n that's gonna be next week's. We'll come back around next week. Yeah, because they're gonna be in the second round. Yeah, they're gonna be dangerous in the second round. You just read it off. Okay, so uh final parlay we have the Celtics minus eleven and a half, Jalen Brown over twenty-five points, Tyrese Maxi over twenty-five points, plus five twenty-five. Sounds good? Sounds great. Mac that sounds good? I think that's perfect. Why did Mac say on the prep sheet Peyton Big Dick Pritchard scores thirty-two point points off the bench? I don't know . Is that in the media guide? Big Dick Pritchard. Maybe maybe Mac knows some shit we don't know. Mac what do, you know? I know you're a Celtics fan, but I didn't know that you were I watched the game but extra hard. Extra hard. Slimy at the top, Mac. Extra hard. Yeah, he's um Peyton Pridge was hooping though. He was hooping. He looked sick. He is sick. I mean he's just fucking makes everything and he's cocky and you think yeah, just get him he just someone else get should have given him a max contract. What the fuck is he still doing on the Celtics? How did he get that cheap ass fucking contract from from we got like a three-year deal? What was it? It was some three years? Yeah, some absolute bullshit. Where it's like, dude, he should be getting $25 million a year. This doesn't make it coming? Four years, 30 million? What the fuck is that? Four years, thirty million? Well, he made he made thirty million a year last night. Yeah man. He's getting thirty million a year off last night. Yeah, that's bullshit. Hey, let me hold a hundred. DC Young Fly was dunking at a during the timeouts and Boosie. But Boosie didn't make it up there . Booze had bounced like a white bo y. Yeah. You look like Billy Ho out there. Yeah, Boosie can't jump. Sad to say. Jump it off the tram poline. Look at Boose. I wouldn't even want to do this because my knees would explode. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I mean good for him for having fun with it and just fucking . He ain't getting enough momentum running. Yeah, D C got it good. Yeah, DC fucking he's good at everything. He's the kind of guy that just almost like he didn't even need the trampoline, dog. He should have just jumped over the trampoline and laid it in. That shit is hard though, bro. That's a there's no way I do that without my knees exploding. I'd be afraid my face would hit the rim because I'd be going straight towards the rim as opposed to up. Yeah. I had that problem when I played too. I was always worried I was gonna hit my head on the backboard. Yeah, you were always that kind of above the rim type of player. Yeah. Um Shaq says he would take Jay Will over Kyrie. Shaq's crazy, ain't it? Shaq. Hey, look, man, I love you. I love you, Shaq. But Kyrie Irving is the best ball handler to ever walk this earth. Right or wrong . No, he is. Right. I think he is. Him, Iverson. No, no, no, no, no, no. There's no other ball handler in a basketball game game. Yeah, probably him. He's like a more evolved totally than anyone. Totally. I agree with that. Shaq, I love you. Shaq says defense don't win championships. What does that have to do with Jay Will and Kyrie? I agree. Defense does not win championships. However, it helps. But I've never how many people have won a championship and scored nine points? Yeah, not many. Not one. Yeah, you have to score some points. Francis. Francis, come on in. Yeah . I gotta go to the bathroom. You gotta pee or poop. Wash your hands. I may. I think that that's all we have. I think that Orlando magic. That's how much you're believing in them? They're winning tonight . Yeah, but it will be in the past. So people will be like either th you're gonna sound really smart or really dumb. I don't care. Can we please go back to to the Timberwolves? Uh how uh Jaden McDaniels just called them out and like now like he's really standing on it. Yeah, he is he is standing on it. But however, the next game is tonight. Yep. He might not be standing if he goes to the basket tonight. Who's gonna do it though? So Nicola Jokic will do it. Yokic on that. On him shooting that layup. You you don't you don't shoot that. You don't shoot that layup, but however, how about I'm just playing devil's advocate. I don't think you shoot the layup either. But since it was him, McDaniels, after you're talking all that shit the night before, I'm thinking some people will think it's okay for him to do it. Just because he's already started that shit. That's fair. But I don't think it's right. I don't think he should have done. So do you think Jokic overreacted? I do. I do. Yeah. I think he should have just waited till the motherfucker came down to paint tonight. Russian sickled his ass. Just one Russian sickle? Well well that's all it's gonna take 'cause they ain't gonna come back down there no more. That replay gets you out of here nowadays, bro. But I'm thinking it's yokic, it's there's a winner go home. They're not kicking out. They can't throw yokic out. Nah. Just let uh let the backup come in and do it. Let somebody else do the dirty work. You don't have to how why would you superstar do the dirty work? Because he's good at fouling hard. Go after the ball. Yeah, or just set a good back screen one time. Put this shit all up in your in your kidney, motherfucker be pissing blood for a week. Giannis got his brothers signed to the team. How come Joker can't get his two goon brothers signed to the team? Let them beat the shit out of somebody, take their little suspension and you know, get to the side. My thought on that is is Giannis's brothers or brush. Yokich's white boys, they can't they ain't got no athleticism. It wouldn't even make sense. Yeah, they have nothing to offer to the team other than other than fines. You know that those guys are are ready for it though. Yeah, but I'm telling you right now, there's some brush in the NBA that are ready for them white boys too now. Don't get it twisted. Fair enough. Um lot of good basketball to watch. Uh we also have a good interview for you guys coming up, so in uh just a second we're gonna pay some bills real quick. But right after that we have an absolute legend, the profess or joining us. This is a member of the White Boy Hall of Fame, honestly. Like this is maybe first ballot White Boy Hall of Fame. Cracker. Is that offensive? Not and it's not offensive to me. Okay, then it's not offensive to me. So , without further ado, a legend from the A1 mixtape tour. You know him as the professor, our friend Grayson Boucher is uh joining the program. What's going on, my friend? Humble, bro. Glad to be here, man. Appreciate it. Yeah. How do you how do you fellas know each other? How well do you guys know each other? Listen, before we get into that, buddy just told me where he's staying, and he said that the windows cracked open a little bit, but then he said they got a balcony. Yeah. Yeah, I'm coming next Sunday. I'm here a day early this week. Yeah, come or stay tonight. What do you mean? They can move your fight. Bro, well you can buy underwear here. You're in the city. You're in New York. Yeah, exactly. Listen, it's it's more to m it's more to my life than needing underwear It's because you said you woke up at at three in the morning and smoked four and you feel like you won't be able to do that here. Bro, you'll ha they have three in the morning in New York too, bro. You wake up here too and smoke four. But nah, New York ain't got that gas like uh uh like like I got on dick. It's not the same. No, it's not. It's just not I'm just being real. I I mean you your gas is up here, bro. Yeah. Well that that needs to stay that's import the gas. Yeah that that needs to stay imported bro that that box is only for Monday usage. Yeah that's your work pack. Gotcha. Yes. Gotcha. Something's different. Yeah one one a one night slept over here in New York, that box is gone. We could get another box. That's from gotta it's gotta be yeah, yeah. Not thinking quick next next week, bro. But anyway, yeah, appreciate you pulling up, dog. Absolute legend. This is a meeting of the minds. The amount of people, the amount of dudes that are watching that are like these are my two idols. There's some girls watching too nah. There are women out here that are like these are my two idols. I base my game. I base my like how I presented myself as a young man or woman on you two gentlemen, I think that it's an incredible meeting of the minds and uh personally I'm excited for it. Um how do you guys know each other? What what's your two relationships? Like how how when did you guys first link up? You remember when we first met? Man, listen. Actually remember it. I tell these dudes I got a good memory. It's just real short. Yep. But you know what I'm saying? I 'll be quick and brief. But once I saw Buddy on TV with the M1 and all that shit, you know, he's the only white dude out there pretty much. And that's how I kind of grew up too. It's like one day I got a meeting. Yeah. And and obviously that happened and he's finna tell you when. Sure, yeah. Yeah. So and what people don't know is too is it I grew up on Jay though. You know, you know I'm younger than Jay. You know, he's fifty, I'm forty two. So my life bought over. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we we're in the uh end of the third, beginning of the fourth. No, you're on like the tenth hole. You know what I mean? It's the start of the back nine. You're not even bro,. You're still on the fucking front. Yeah. Yeah, but no, um, yeah, I'm number 55, senior in high school, senior high school. I don't think I told you that. No. Yeah, yeah. It's funny because I recently went back um to my high school archives because I made that uh the trend on IG that nineties trend it says like dad or uh yeah dad what were you like in the nineties? Yeah so I was looking at my high school I was like oh shoot I was fifty five forgetting like him and Iverson was like my guy so of course so that was cool for me. But um, I think we met in 04. A lot of people don't know. You were signed to An one. I was. Jay was signed to An one. Mmm. And uh got some heat in the closet still. Okay. Yeah. And so uh you came to the game of the garden, and I think like just in the tunnel like I'm going in the tunnel at halftime or something and I was like, What up? And you were like, You about to do your thing out there or something like that. And I was like, Let's get it. It's a ultimate game recognized game moment. It's just uh I mean you guys seeing him, what he's doing in the league actually doing the same stuff that you guys are doing, but actually against NBA competition, what's your feeling about him and how it differentiates from everybody else in the NBA who's just playing regular basketball. It It''ss c crarazy. zy, bro. I mean something I emulated. You know what I mean? Uh yeah. It's funny though. Like I asked you about that, but you don't really you don't even think about it. This is how you play. This is how you play right you don't like he doesn't think about like I think about it though. Like, you know, when I play, I'm like, I'm about to do this move. Not that I don't have the counters and a lot of stuff's instinct, right? Like, but like, yeah, I'm more conscious of like my entertainment right levels, you know? I'm just trying not to throw the bitch in the second row, Charlie. Facts. Well in the league of stakes are higher too. Game's quicker, so it's like it's different, you know? And how would that work? You would come into the game and be like, okay, these are four moves I'm trying to hit at some point in the game. I'm I have this one loaded up or like I'm saving this one for this moment? Or what was the mental process of unleashing a new crazy move? All that. I think all that. But um a lot of it's instinct. You gotta be quick on your feet, you know like it could come to you like two seconds before you do it you know but um it was funny too when I first got on An1 though I was more of a straight up player like I might have been street ball for my hometown you know but that might have been just like a crossover and a no-look pass or something like that. But playing with hot sauce and AO and headache, they had like they hit you with three combo moves. You know what I mean? And like in that era, if you hit a jumper, it was like whack. You know what I mean? Like Steph Curry made jumpers cool. Not that it's always you know part of the game. It's you know, you you hitting jumpers, you're going crazy, but but it wasn't like a crowd pleaser and the and one was all about the moment they they waiting for you to like embarrass the defense. So when I came and I was hitting mid-range shots and like three pointers, and then Sauce come back and go crazy, you know, go, you know, crazy on the uh promo promo moves and then like cross me up or something, he's winning the battle just because the crowd's all on his side. Yeah. So I had to step up my entertainment. So I'm thinking about it more. You know what I mean? And try to like grow into that. But um how important is it to hit this shot in the and one world? Like obviously you can have the move, but if you finish, you still get credit for it? Or is sometimes if you just watch the mixtape, they don't even show the finish because I assume they didn't finish the the bucket. Is that still important to it or is it just like hey, if you embarrass somebody, that that's all that that that matters . I think like for me, I'm bummed. If I miss the shot, it's whack. I don't even I don't appreciate that possession. But like I think in the early mixtapes if you watch it they were just like breaking apart regular game footage like a Rucker Park. Like even Skip might have done a pass that was crazy and the dude might have , or he he might not have finished or might have fumbled it or something like that. So they weren't really thinking about what the product was gonna be. It's just like if Skip did a crazy spin move and a crazy pass and that dude missed it. They didn't really care. It just cut it up. But it doesn't mean Skip didn't want it to be a good thing. Y'all lose, you gotta set your ass down, right? We we were thinking almost too much competitive like like the fans really just want to see somebody get embarrassed or dunked on. But we were all Y'all couldn't lose thinking regular If we if we lost the corporate and everybody would panic. I feel like we morally did something wrong.. Right No, everybody would like we weren't sp ever supposed to lose. So I felt like that was a lot of pressure, but um, but yeah, we we lost like a couple times a year or something like that. But dudes were talented though. They could play, they could play more than um I think the fan always thought we they thought we were better than we were, but maybe like the hoop enthusiasts, maybe high ups in the NBA probably thought we were worse than we were. I didn't think that bruv You know basketball I mean you are what you mean? I mean I'm talking you I'm thinking you know high up like Oh you're thinking Pat Riley Yeah them guys Yeah they oh they probably think we were trash um yeah I ain't never talked to them about that but I personally didn't think y'all were trash. I watched y'all all the time. Y'all was on TV and shit. What was your take on him when you first saw the professor? Man, I thought that shit was dope. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm I'm in here. My first thing, instinct was like, like, how long buddy done worked on this? Like, cause I know how long it took me to work on what I got. And he got you know, he got all that shit too and off the head type shit. I'd be mad than hell if somebody hit me in the head with the face with the ball dog. Like like if somebody hit me in the face with the ball, I don't I I it's I gotta fire off on you. Bomb firing off. What what's y'all's take on that? Like, how many times you been hit in the face with the ball, dog? Ooh, you know it's crazy. The other white chocolate, there's a stre's a street ball white chocolate. A lot of people don't even know. Oh whoa. Randy Gill. Do you know about this dude? Nah. He no he I think we talked about it. Look, he d he doesn't that's crazy. So there was there was a there was only two white dudes in streetball in that time that were known, and uh this other dude Randy Gills from Baltimore. Uh in LA now. He uh I don't know where he lives right now. He was living in LA for a little bit. He's he's like I do know Buddy. Yeah, he met Buddy before. Okay Okay . So he hit me in the face and it was like personal. My nose bled crazy and like that. So y'all ain't really trying to do that. Y'all just trying to hit off the forehead type shit. Y'all ain't trying to do that. No, no, no, no. I think what happens, sometimes that move evolved to like a like even today some people do it. They like angry at the defender. You know, like when he first did it, I actually saw Steve Francis first do it. Like in the 90s, but he just barely, you know, he's like drew him like real close to the defender. He faked like a move and then he brought it up, he just like barely tapped the forehead and you know and then continued. Off the easy. Yeah. But is it the kind of thing where now they're throwing it faster because dudes like are quick enough to duck it and get under it, or they're trying to break your nose . Hey, just the Panzer's doing it. Like that kid, the MK. You see MK stuff. He's just like disrespectful. He tried to like make somebody mad . When I did it, it was more like part of your, it was like part of a combo move. You know what I mean? L Iike would do a move first, right? It don't work if you t you telegraph. You just come up and try to do it, it's not gonna work. So I would like cross, snatch back between my legs, look, either roll off the hezzy or you do like an in and out off the head, you know what I mean? And then from there go. But um, but yeah, for me, it was always like a combo move. Yeah, you go sick rushing sickle for me if you do it to me. Ski. Remember the key to call off the wrestler. Yeah, oh russian sickle. Yeah, you're hitting the russian sickle on somebody. Yeah. But isn't it part of like the contract of what's happening in the AM1 game or a street ball game that it's like you're not fighting over that? Or what do you think? Well, I think everybody playing that game kind of knew what to expect a little bit. Right. They're playing in the N1 game. You know there's a lot of moves and stuff like that. They already seen. I mean, sometimes they didn't. Sometimes it just depends. But uh everything was unsaid though. It had no rules. Like it was like I just had to learn how to play by watching guys, you know, the guys who already came before me. But for them, it's just like how they played. They just signed the guys like these are the guys that are talented. There was really no discussion around it. We didn't even talk about moves that much, believe it or not. Only me and hot sauce talked about moves. I never talked about moves to AO , headache, sick with it. Like a little bit, but not not really. Hit Hot Sauce was technical. He was more like technical about it, or what do you mean what you talked about? What was the nature of those conversations? Oh, uh Yeah, because I was a fan too. You know, I'm like a fan. I just went to I just went to watch them play and there was a trial and I was like, oh let's get you know the next thing you know, they asked me to come on tour. Then halfway through the summer, I'm like, oh, it's a reality show. And then I'm like, oh, I'm actually on this thing. Like, I'm finding out as we go. So um I'm a fan. So when I when I pick hot sauce brain, I asked him about some of the moves, and then he was like, Yo, you should try this. And like he gave me a couple, you know, stuff like that. I heard that before you what was it, 2003? Summer 2003 when you went on. Yeah. I remember watching it that summer 'cause it would come on E SPN two late at night and it's just these dudes riding around in a bus. I remember when you like came onto the scene, like it was like exciting. It was like representation, bro. That's right. And I you know there's not too many of us out there. And I was like, oh fuck. Uh but what what's the story of what you were doing and what you were about to do? Was there like some grocery store shit? Like where were you working at that time? And like I mean it really must have changed your life. Super, super, bro. I wasn't thinking about anything. I was I I walked on to a JUCO. My dad had to convince the coach that I was good enough. Let me get a shot I was good enough to play. I looked like I was 12 years old when I was 18. You know, that summer or whatever. Uh so yeah, I walked on and then I would the dude was gonna let me red shirt because I weighed like 120 pounds. And then uh what happened? I got in the weight room, started doing three a days, I had no life. I just played basketball. Um then a couple guys got injured, so I ended up suiting up. I played three minutes a game. If the game is close, I don't even go in. You know, I'll I go in during garbage minutes, I'll get dunked on or something. Something like that. But I was actually nice though, but like looking back, but I'm a kid, so they made me feel like I wasn't good. Um , it's weird though, you know how it is. Like, like it depends on the culture, how much they believe in you, right? Like in high school, everything went through me, so I felt great. And I was, you know, I was like 25. But I went to a super small school just my senior year only. I was on JV as a junior at a big school before that. And then coming into uh community college , you know, they don't really believe in me much and then yeah, I barely get the opportunity. But uh it's because they they're running like Princeton offense. You know what I mean? It's like like high, low Princeton offense. You don't really like just play create because they don't really trust the players that much. So it was that kind of situation. So if I did a crossover to my jumper, they think they'll think I'm showing off. Yeah. I remember one time in in uh college, I did that thing where you you lack like you're gonna throw it behind the back this way, and then you throw it this way with the other hand. Yeah. Dude caught it, dunked it. It was like good pass. But my coach stopped the practice. And he's like, yo, what's this AAU shit, man? Come on. Really? Yeah. And it was like a bad thing. And I didn't, I didn't even understand it. So I'm trying to figure it out. But long story short, what was your coach's name? Uh we pass it with rest in peace. Oh man, rest in peace. Yeah, it's all good. George living. He was cool. George. Yeah, but um I can't say what I want to say about it. The assistant, no, my assistant was cool though. He helped me improve a lot. But I did. So after my freshman year, I probably improved like I was like three times as good as I was in the season. I just was like hitting the weights. Open gym. Now I start to win every game. You know what I mean? It almost looked like I should be the starter coming back, which would have been political because I am a scholarship. Everybody else did. But then An one came and I just went up there as a fam to try out. I did work at a grocery store. I was like a cashier at a grocery store. What's the name of the grocery store, bro? What is it? Roth's Roth's IGA man. Public public. What's the best grocery store you've been you known? Publix? The best grocery store? Yeah. Well . Publix, right? I mean, I just did I did go to Publix uh two weeks ago in Florida and it was fucking amazing It's like that? I wanted to hate him. Yeah, you wanted to hate him because that's the pussy ass Philly coming out of here. Yeah, it was. And I'll be honest with that. I can be hand up and be like, yeah, I want to be like, yeah, this isn't any like this isn't special like compared to any other grocery store, and I got the pub sub and it what kind of sub you get? Just a little turkey, like a little down the middle turkey. Oh I know I got the chicken uh the the chopped up uh buffalo chicken it wasn't tenders chicken tenders yeah yeah yeah uh it was great. I wanted to hate on it. It was pretty fucking it was elite, you know. East Coast got us be with food though, period. Like we have like Ralph's Ralph's cool, but like I don't think anybody like you're you're like hype in the grocery store, I don't think we even think of it like that. Yeah. Like you know what I mean? Yeah, I'm a little different, dog. So yeah. But yeah, public public's got one. Fuck Ralphs . Fuck Crolers . Fuck Piggly Wiggly. What about like the like designer ones, like fucking trade Trader Joe's. Yeah, what about like Amazon and Whole Foods and all that? No, fuck all the two. That's for like . Right. Yeah, but what the only thing publics don't sell is Nikes. That's it . Gotcha. Walmart though, like Walmart, you can get anything at a Walmart. Yeah, Walmart. Yeah, I ain't got nothing on publics. Yeah, I mean I I really don't know anything except for people hype up the pub sub and I was like, man, I have to see what this is about. Because it's a fucking grocery store. I gotta check it out. Yeah, I feel like I've been in publics, but I didn't really pay attention. It was just like real quick. Come on, dog. You said you're going to Florida this week. Go on down there in Publix. It was the bread that did it for me. They had like solid bread. They had high-end bread. I don't I'm I don't know what else to say about public. It was just and it was that was the other thing I noticed. It was like a lot of older a lot of older folk working in there. Yeah, us yeah, they they they they hire a a certain unique people yeah yeah it was a lady with blue hair like cutting the roast beef on the on the cutting on the cutting board. Yeah, ain't nothing wrong with blue hair lady cutting the bigger. I'm just saying that you don't normally see the old an older lady working the the meat grinder That's cause y'all going in pussy ass grocery stores. You're right, bro. I need to fucking broaden my horizons. The guy that cuts my meat at my grocery store is fucking a gr a grumpy bastard. I would have loved to have this sweet old lady that I we had down at Publix. Uh you were in uh you were in semi-pro ? Yeah, actually just like cold auditioned for s semi-pro. That's sick. Yep. Semi-pro, the Will Farrell movie. Oh really? Yeah, yeah. I thought he meant like what's you're talking about hooping for real. No, no, I'm talking about the Will Farrell movie where I'm But no, um I moved to LA. I actually was a lead role in a I had a lead role in a movie. I had like an A-list cast and everything. That's why I moved to L What was the movie about? It's called Ball Don't Lie. I was I was like a foster kid that had um what's it called? OCD ? Obsessive compulsive disorder. Yeah. I think the reason the movie it wasn't that great. I thought it was decent had some good basketball scenes, but it was like about foster care. It wasn't really about basketball and so like when people saw it they expected something like and one from me and then they saw and they're like, oh like it's not really what we expected. But were they trying to do like basketball eight mile? Like was that the kind of the vibe or like what was it? There should have been that. It should have been.ket Basball eight mile is a good idea. That would go crazy I'm I'm trying to work on something like that. Yeah. Why can't you dig back into that film and and you know what's crazy? I got a hold of the producer's idea like a couple years ago. And he's like, Yeah, we're gonna drop it because now you can just self-upload on Amazon or wherever . And then um and then we do just disappeared. Yeah, I never heard from him. Oh , like I don't what it was though. Maybe it was a legal tie up because dude was a cool dude. And when I met with him, he was like, Yeah, we should drop it. So maybe I gotta revisit it. Disappeared. It was so there's more to it. I think there was more to it that I didn't know. You know, sometimes you're the talent you know, the producer probably knows what's up, but um but I did try to get it out there just for resume. I'm like, why don't we drop it now? Like it ain't never too late. Yeah, so it was anyway. That's why I moved to LA. Semi pro was hosting auditions while I was down there. And then um, yeah, I just went to the audition and uh actually my manager at the time he was kind of like working the audition, so I think he put in a a good word for me and then um and then I got that role and I met Woody, you know, Woody Harrelson, Will Farrell and uh Andre 3000. Oh yeah? And uh yeah it was cool. You threw you threw it off one of their foreheads and they say, nah, yeah. Nah, I wouldn't do that. Nah, nah. If I would do it, I'd do the roll off the roll off the heases, the re the respectful way. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. But no, I did I played Woody one-on-one. I did actually uh he can hoop a little bit? He can hoop a little bit. Yeah, that's why that's how I would define it. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Was that like the nice way to say it? We just who we just played like two years ago. I did a collab um on YouTube. We're promoting some movie he had. Uh I'm blanking right now. He has a movie where he's a coach. Yeah. And um you know, we did like Q and A, we talked about the movie, but then we did actually play twos and uh you know, I dropped a couple dyes. He hit a little middle. So would he? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean he's a he is a forefather of it, like the white man can't jump.. For sure Love white man can't jump. What was your thought what was your take on that movie? Great. Yeah. It's great. Okay, the way you were looking at what I didn't say Champions, that's the name of the movie? Champions. This is what we're this is what we're marketing right here. It's like uh some um mentally challenged kids that he was he was coaching here. And then they then they brought you in. They were trying what they was trying to do too you shot it. Nah, nah. You know what's funny? Actually, you know what? I'm trying to figure out how much I want to say here. But no, we uh yeah, we we promoted this movie and um it was funny because like you know, for an interview like that, you won be't real buttoned up. It's like, oh, it's Woody Harrelson. They had all this, all these guidelines of what you can talk about and what you can't. You know, they were like, don't bring up some , don't bring up other movies. Yeah. They were like, oh, don't think he remembers you. You know what I'm saying? Don't talk about old times. Cause they, you know, the PR team, they just want to promote this movie. They they work for that film, you know what I mean? But um Oh my god. Soon as he pulled up though, he was like, oh professor, what's good? And then he brings it up. He's like, remember semi pro ? And I'm looking at his people, they're like, oh, don't talk. They kept interrupting the shoot. Like, hey, let's not do that. But it's funny, because like we were trying to be all buttoned up, but Woody was like messing up. Yeah, like they kept going back to correct him. You know what I'm saying? He even called, he identified the uh the mentally challenge. I can't, I don't want the proper term is blanket right now, but he was saying it wrong. He was saying it the disrespectful way. They stepped in like four or five times, like, yo, it's not, it's not disabled. Woody, Woody was on that gas, bro. Hey, Woody, hey, Woody, you hear this? Let's go ahead and make another movie. We can we do whatever we want to do in that movie, bro. You be the boss and we'll get to it. Facts. Oh my god. So when you and he played on the semi-pro set, kids had helmets and shit on. So that Woody was talking. It's actually good though. I'm not gonna lie, it's a good film. It's more on like heartfelt tip, though. You know, hoops, it's not you know of course. So you uh on the semi-pro set, you and he played uh one-on-one, or it was twos, or was it in front of everybody? I don't even know how it happened. Like I think like we started playing and nobody was paying attention ones, and the next thing you know, like everybody will D-Ray was in there, uh Andre 3000, and then everybody was watching. We probably played for like 10 minutes or something like that. Well, I' loved to play, but I'd like to play horse against Will Farrell, dog. Yeah, that'd be a nice one I cut my left nut off to play horse against him. I don't think you have to do all that. Hey, look, I'm he's gonna be your fan. That's what I would do, bro. If I had a chance to to do that. If I had cut my left nut off to play horse against wheel, bum. Bro, I think you'd be laying on the table, get the chopping biscuit. You don't need to have more protection of your nuts to the colour. I got to wait here before you can even recover. Look, I got my three jits already. My nuts are useless now. No, but like sell them to get a higher bidder or something like that. No one wanna sell them, no, because I don't I feel bad for whoever buy 'em . but no, you got great kids. What are you talking about? No, I'm my kids are straight, but I'm talking about in the future, you know what I'm saying? Some guys like Al Pacino, these guys are having uh kids at like seventy plus. Yeah, he's having his his bank account set up to where he can have kids all his life. Don't matter. Mine's set up a little different. Mine's set up different too. Yeah, certainly. That's why we're here working. Yeah. Right. When you were actually on the bus for the AM1 tour, like what's that like lifestyle? Because when you want to play basketball, if you're in the NBA, you're probably staying at a fucking Rich Carlton four seasons type of deal. And you get to really relax and recuperate and recover. You guys are on the road. Are you actually living on a bus? How long are you on the bus? What's the accommodations like? Is it harder to play basketball in those circumstances? Well, I think the early tour was different. When I was, we staying at the Ritz too. That's where we you know what I mean the the bus is just to go to the next city. Got it. But we don't get as much like like uh rehab and recovery, you know , we didn't know. Y'all are young chits, y'all don't even need it then though, that 's the truth, right? I never thought about icing. I was 18 years old. Uh what were they? Everybody was like late twenties, early 30s, so they were a lot older than I was. But uh lifestyle on the bus, man, we just having fun, bro. They blowing it down on the bus. They blowing it down. Yeah. Yeah. I was scared of I was scared of drugs. Yeah, I didn't know Marijuana's not a drug. I've actually never smoked in my life. Yeah, marijuana's not a drug. I know what you're saying. But like I never I never smoked. So for me, the whole thing was a little bit of culture shock, but I was also excited. This is my this is like this is like I'm kicking it with Jay Will and Iverson. To me at that time I liked Anwin just as much as the league, you know, and then Jordan had retired. So like Anwin was like the wave, you know? So so uh for me, I was living the dream, but I guess it's a little intimidating, you know, because I'm a kid with adults, you know, and then like you know, we have the women. It was the bus was fun, bro. We just motherfuckers in the NBA right now, they'd rather take that Oh yeah. No facts. Like okay guys, let's talk about Shopify. 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I think like Ricky Davis, he wanted to do the whole tour like on the bus. He went on like his own bus, like with our bus. But just like wanted that lifestyle. And I think like that's what made some of the guys like stop chasing their hoop dream, you know, with conventional balls. Because they're about they get into late 20s like a tough play, right? And but they're just doing that. Even me, like I played semi, I tried to like make the MB, you know, make a run at trying to go as high as I could in conventional basketball, but then the tour, we already carved out something too good. So when I face a politics of like I would always play with the team just brought me there for marketing. The co you know, the the high ups or the coach probably don't even really like street ball. So like Fuck them coaches that don't like street ball. You feel me? That's what I feel now. That's because they couldn't go between the legs. Facts. You know what? Facts. Well actually, yeah, yeah. Kenny Anderson was actually my coach. Different. He Kenny Anderson was different. But most but I like I played for a bunch of teams, right? Um and Kenny was cool. Kenny actually respected me, but um but anyway, that was always the thing with us. Like even Skip, right in the league, like his first game, he got called for a carry, just standing there dribble. Yeah, yeah. I think a lot of people didn't like street ball at that time. And then sometime somehow it changed. I don't know when it changed. Like, if I meet an NBA coach today, he's like, man, I love your game. I grew up on that's like a coach. But back in the day, I think they hated it, right? Like, because yeah, they're looking at it like with like Bob Cooze. Yeah, and like also like p the fan hype was like, you know, like there was fan hype, like, yo, Professor, you need to play Jay Will and Iverson, like right now. Like, you know, like they want to see fan fantasy matchups, you know what I mean? So like I'm sure like NBA coaches are like like come on man, don't don't compare that to our shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm glad I'm still not hooping now because all these one on one jits one play, one like I wasn't one on one player. It's a different game, it's totally different. I was gonna say you guys are the pioneers of that for real, because now it's like there's such an online community of you don't have to make it to the NBA to be successful in basketball. You could play one on ones like you said, um, three on three leagues like there's it's a lot of different leagues so how do you feel about like starting that off it's crazy yeah it's crazy uh and one got bought out it got acquired like halfway, I think like oh six. sam Thee day we were on the cover of Sports Illustrated was the same day somebody uh came and told us. I guess I remember saying that we're main event, we looking at the cover of Sports Illustrated, we were on there. And then somebody's like, hey, just wanna let you guys know the company's just been acqui red. Boom, boom, boom. And I don't even know what that means, right? So I'm asking Maine. Like, we still gonna hoop. You know, like I'm just worried about that. And they tried to assure us, like, yeah, everything's normal. We on track. I guess they had a couple years left on the ESPN contract. So they fulfilled that to 08 and then it was just over. Like we didn't even get a call. Like like who bought it? You know who bought it? I could be mistaken. But they didn't know anything about basketball, much less street ball. They just had bread. They have bread, so they brought in people from like uh Reebok and Adidas to kind of like be head of branding. But they were like OGs though. They didn't really I'm not gonna say they didn't like the tour, but they didn't like facing the company with the tour. They they were like, yo, let's go compete with the Nikes and the Reeboks and do it the conventional way. But not knowing like that's why An1 was hot because it was different. Yeah. You know what I mean? It was like anti-system and like that's why you sometimes you stand out just by being uni que. So I don't think they understood that. So it just dried up for us. I had already heard about YouTube just from like when I'm overseas, a lot of people would say I saw your stuff on YouTube, not not talking about ESPN. So when I looked it up, the hot sauce compilation, the professor uh compilation, had like 10 million views each. So I remember I was having people put out videos on there just for marketing. And then uh when AdSense came out, I started my page and I was just getting bookings because you used to be able to get a D M on YouTube. So I was I was like the first I'm actually the first influencer, I think, period period, not even knowing it. I was trying to get live bookings. Or maybe, maybe Tila Tequila was the first. So I might be the second. This is like two two thousand eight, thousand seven coded for sure. You getting bookings. Yeah, because I was brand out MySpace before that. But I yeah, I'm thinking live show though, not of course. Not turn into a bit but it kinda just turned into a business after going viral. Right. Basketball, bro. Yeah, that is nuts. How many different ways you can make business, and what a fumble by people to not realize because like the the impact of the AM1 mixtape tour probably wasn't in direct dollars and cents being made off of ticket sales to the tour. It's like the impact and how like deep the roots go in a true grassroots sense. So I mean it kind of seems like a disservice that there's that period of it kind of drying up because it's not like people stopped playing basketball at the at the playground. It's not like the st street ball died. It was the coverage of it from the internal side. Man, I don't know. I think some of these jits are soft nowadays. They don't want to go out and hoop no. It did dry, yeah, it dried up . I think uh video what gaming, social media AAU , maybe lack of a face of stuff. Pussy. Yeah, I think yeah, I think it like it dried up the game. Like like the streetball courts that used to be packed in the nineties and two thousands aren't. Really? Not gonna say all of them. Like New York's different. Yes. LA if I go to Venice, there's always people out there, certain places, but no, but like outdoor pickup ball is like a lost . I bet you you go back to Bell, West Virginia, where I grew up, bro, and look at the courts that I played on pickup ball. They're in disrepair. No, no basketball there, no, no hoops there. It's probably a parking lot. Yeah, same same as where I grew up, same as a lot of places. I think I think like New York's different, LA's different, maybe the bigger cities just by the numbers. You still got people doing it. And uh and maybe it made a little resurgence now, a little bit like internet level street b there's a like you said, there's shit is what happened. Yeah, yeah, why park takeovers now. Park takeovers. Yeah, so I think I think like pickup hoops it still exists, but it's like h less than half of what it used to be. Boy, these motherfuckers lucky there wasn't no park takeovers back in like 98, 99. Why didn't I took them all over? Yeah. All of them. They'd have been mad at this white boy right here . I think that's what people understand now too in digital's like and like what you said with An one is like I think we didn't know that there could be something marketable in basketball globally or even just regionally like like outside of the NBA right because the NBA is everything. It's the best of the best. And then, like, if semi-pro leagues never really get crowds like that, right? Because you're like, why are we going to see the almost best? Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. As long as you're alive and can still dribble, and when I know if you can if you're breathing, you'll be able to dribble. Same with me. So it's always gonna be something there for me. I like that. Can you talk about the feeling that you get inside your brain, inside your body when you 're at the center court of a completely crowded park and everybody's watching and you do something fucking nuts and everybody goes crazy to the point where they're pouring onto the court like screaming, you're blowing everybody's mind in real time. What does that feel like? I think that's like the pen that's why you do it. The shutdown move to the uh floor run. Yeah. That's like why you do it. That's like your um trying to that's like your Michael Jackson moonwalk. You know what I'm saying? That's like your moment. I ain't never had it happen to me, but I can 't imagine bro yeah no I'm talking about everybody storm on the court like these these yeah yeah I ain't never had that bro like like I wanted to bro we wanted you to play with and one like talk about that because like I felt like you were supposed to play a few times, but you didn't Am I tripping or no? No, I don't know if you're tripping or not. You could be. I don't know . Um But no, I would have I would have definitely loved to do that. I don't know why it never happened. It for sure it wasn't from my end. Would they have let you? That's what I'm saying. Sacramento Kings let you know. That's what I'm saying I'm thinking that it was it wasn't no from me. Got you, gotcha. Yeah, yeah. Really? I didn't know though, because sometimes like you didn't need to, right? I mean What's the difference from that and like Kobe going to play at like the Rucker back then? Well, let's get shit straight. Some contracts won't let you though, right? But that's Kobe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's different. Different strokes for different folks. Always don't ever put wait you you gonna say you wouldn't rucker and put it work oh I would love to do that too but I I I I think I got I got pulled back . You know I still have never been to Rucker Park to this. This summer we need to have I've never been to Rucker. Not like go in the daytime and like find who's there. Like get in a telling we're gonna bring them to Dykeman. Yeah, we're gonna come to Dykeman, bro. Like you just said flops on. Yeah. New York is still like summertime, like outdoor hoops is like the thing in New York. Yeah. Like that's still like a What about like in DC and and Baltimore? Is it they still hoop in there too? They have like they had like berry farms. That's like the that's like the rucker of DC. That's where KD and boys grew up. Yeah, Bar Berry Farms. White shock, the other White Shock. Oh, really? Yeah. But don't dudes like kind of come to New York from all over? Like it's not just dudes in New York? Are you talking about people locally playing? Um it's more I feel like it's more of the local stars now. I know what you're talking about. Like sometimes you might get like an NBA player or something, come come hoop. The glory days were it was different. Back in the day NBA players like excited to go play them. Like it was different because street ball, it was like hot on its own. Like even just in New York. Like those KD clips where he's like he has those moments where he's just like pulling up from half court and everybody rushes the court. That's even after. Yeah, that's even after Glory. I think that was just a one-off. Like K D decided to go to Rucker. Oh, you talking about like when Fat Joe was paying them d them dudes to go. Yeah, I think I think the end of it was the early two thousands. You know, like skip on Anne One Mix A Volume One. What's that? That's like the night that's like the early 90.s Did you ever get a dude like Fat Joe to come and just like pay you? No, Fat Joe, he was a rucker only. Uh not him because promo stuff but like Fat Joe. Did like any random dudes like were you ever like just like paid to come play like on some uh on the low? Oh all the time. I mean we did games like in between our and one games. I was exclusive for like my first three or four years, but then like we could go play . There was like side games you get with a promoter. Give you five to ten K just like cash. Yeah, win, get a little more. Now it's funny too though, cause like you can get scammed too though. I had to learn business like that whole street ball era, you get scammed. You got scammed sometimes? Well you don't know. Like you don't know a deposit back you're not thinking like that so like I would go there and then when I got a manager the way we would do it is like you show up yep we're gonna play yep we're gonna be there you get to the locker room be like hey man I ain't going out there I ain't been paid yet so I'd sit in the locker room until I got the cash . Me and Hossels one time, we sat in the locker room in uh New Orleans. Like we were playing some like LSU alum. Sat in the locker room until halftime. Like, I mean, like we're the headliner, we're on the flyer, right? Probably with some of the alum that nobody knew. And uh we sat there until halftime, finally got, I think they paid us like half or something like that. So we like cool. We went and played the second half. These dudes were dogs though. Like these LSU who they were, but like I wasn't even warm But sometimes you'd have to play it like that. Like to get your money. I was gonna say are dudes like were dudes actually trying to guard you and like lock you up or were they like, you know, sometimes people would just chill like nah I'm not trying to get dropped or nothing like that. What was it like that with that? A little bit of both. Back in that era, it was always like smoke, though. It was like dudes trying to bust your. Like them dude, them LSU alum, man. That was a they play that harder than they probably played LSU. Like that was super personal. You know what I mean? Everything's a you know, they leading with this, they ain't sliding their feet. Yeah. Uh so it's probably a lot of that. I think now when I play it's a lot of people like that too, where they'll just sag off. They rather have me hit I don't even have to earn an eight footer. You know what I'm saying? They just don't want me to go between her legs. So if I get up and I look like I'm trying to operate the moves, I'll be like, come on my guy. They don't want to go viral. You know what I mean? Like you letting me shoot this? Yeah it takes where what city got the best hoopers, street ball hoops hoopers? Oh, the best hoopers. Gotta be New York or Chicago, I think. You ain't gotta say New York 'cause we in New York. I I'll get you to there. No, but I mean they just get street ball. You know what I mean? Like I think uh let's see, who was always nice? Let's see. Chicago is always like real hard hard nose . Uh oh DC though. Yeah. You say uh like DC. It seems like New York, Chicago dudes can't shoot. Is that true? I think, especially back in that era, a lot of street ball players who were nice back in that era, not that they weren't nice, but like a jump shot wasn't their forte. So like it'd be different. That's why I like that's why like you're different, right? Like people like even Skip had to get a better jump shot. Yeah, my jump shot's still raggly as hell, but but I'll beat shit out of you. What you mean? You have a high bar though when you talk about ball cause think about y y you played D one, you went to the league, so you have a higher bar. That's what I noticed when I talk to league dudes like your bar for who's nice and what's what is like higher. If he's like, yeah, my judge you're down on yourself is crazy. That's just how he is. He's just that humble and I'm just comparing to who I played against, bro. These dudes was monsters. But he could go out and you like you said, yeah, we go out of right now. Yeah, top of the key, I make 10 out of 11. Right now, no warm-ups with one in my lip. See? I'm not gonna do that. I'll hit I'll give you four or five. Not warmed up. Yeah, yeah. I might just like I'm a rhythm shooter. I gotta get like warmed up. I'm as warm as I'm gonna get, bro. That's how that's why that's that's the only joke. You gotta go out this summer. You gotta get a run in this summer with these dudes to go to dike with. No, I'll never do that. Well I was still. I wanted them to hoop with me. How old are you? He's 42 this year. Yeah, well we'll we'll play a 42-year-old and a 50-year-old. Crackers, preferably. Preferably. No, listen, listen. You're thinking they're better than they are, though. Look, we can just claim anybody a minute and we'll crazy. I just played yesterday. Yesterday I played two hours at Venice. We pulled up just randomly. I ain't playing no crackers. Just played whoever was up there. You would've been straight. It was nothing.. Think about it I'll back dudes up. Like, you know what I'm saying? It ain't like that. That's why I was I was just thinking highlights, cause like who cares about the smoke? What do you have to prove in basketball? Or like he had like competitive. But it's just like when I play ball, bro, this it's just something in my my mind is just like I I become evil. But but you'll but you can be evil and you kill you you walk somebody the basket, advance. But I don't know you. And it can't go there. Like it go there with me. Yeah, and I'm just clear. Seven, eight games is is is is hyper personal whatever, but Jay Will, like he played a game at bat at uh I saw it. You saw that he was yelling at the dude Nikki Smokes. Look, I was mad. This is my whole life, so I already understood it. He's screaming at this dude. Nikki Smokes. He said, Yeah, I don't give a fuck. I'll fight you right here, bro. I don't give the I'm not these ones you're fucking talking to, bro. He was on his ass. Nikki Smokes. This is my whole life though. I get it. Yeah. This is like if Jay went to play pickup at 24. Like this everything is hyper personal. I get it. But like if I go to Venice, what I was saying with it, like I'll go, I go with four security guards. You got to. That's what we're it was the locals are real territorial. Like I had a lot of stories out there. But yeah, like you need it because some people try to screw up the shoot or whatever. But I have my team pick who we're gonna play. Yeah. And then let's say it starts to get hyper personal. The game only to three or to five. Or we can just end it whenever. You know what I'm saying? Look, if I have a floor run, we'll go crazy, just end that game. Next one. You know what I'm saying? So it's more it's more about the entertainment. Well sign me up, Sean. That's what I'm saying. Give me a month. Yeah. I gotcha. Give me a month. What do you feel like? Man, I'm gonna be out there in pads. Like a hockey player. Doggles. We need to get three on three though with Will Farrell. Yeah. Come on, Will. That'd go crazy. That'll go Will that would. Right? Yeah, like even like a promo run in like the big three or something like that. The three of you guys. You t ell it gotta be outside. That's your gig though. No, I don't care. I mean I'll play. Why you prefer inside? I like inside. You don't like the wind? What is it about outside? Uh this harder shoe type of ball. I feel more comfortable. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean inside's easier for sure. I mean, I love inside. I play outside majority because there's a b a crowd. Yeah, so he made a lot of money on outdoor court. There you go. Yeah, it is tough. It's a different g ame. You were, when you were a freshman in high school, you were 4'11 and 80 pounds. Is that true? 85 pounds. 85. I didn't mean 80 on you. 85 pounds. 4'11. I always look like I'm like 10 years younger than I am. Yeah. What's your advice to uh humanity? I'm sorry. He looked like one of them pouches. Like it's actually crazy. Like if you saw my freshman high school, you think it's like a fourth grader or something. Four eleven is but but what's your advice to a guy who is trying to get into basketball and loves basketball and it's their life but they're undersized. How can a guy like that find his way into the game and what can they do on the court to maybe make themselves more of a threat ? You just gotta get your reps in, put the time in, make it make it your life. Yeah. I mean if you're trying to play college and you're like small white dude. Get that handle right? The s would you agree? I always tell people the the smaller you are, the less strong you are, the less tall you are, the better you gotta be. You gotta be yeah like like us. We got we gotta be great at something, bro. Something I mean whether that be boxing out, passing, you know what I'm saying? Like like I felt like I was great. I wasn't great at damn near nothing, but I felt like I was great at I could get anywhere I wanted to on the court. You know what I'm saying? I could handle the ball so well. I was fast enough. I was smart enough to use my angles and shit like that. So I I I felt going into the game that's what carr got what would would carry me through like man, I don't know if I could do this or not. But thinking about that, I could do it any time. So And that's saying a lot though yeah I play with the league level get anywhere you want on the Yeah but they really wasn't much trapping and stuff like that. Kind of play man to man you know back in my when I first started you had to be arm's length away so there was nobody one-on-one keeping me in front of them. Nobody. And if my hamstrings didn't look like this, they couldn't keep me in front of them now. Gotcha. But that was a hand checking era where dudes could like fucking push you around a little bit. A little bit, but but see I would I would I would get a little steam uh a little head of steam and the handshake ain't I'm I'm gone bro. Really? Yeah I was I my my speed and my ball handling was what it was. What do you think your elite skill was that differentiated you ? Yeah handling the basketball. Gotta be right. I could always create space and get a jumper off. Or like a little hezzy, get to at least get to the bucket. I I guess I get wherever I wanted. Not at that level, like the league, you know, but like just pull the defense a little bit and it's a shot. But he gets the defense lean and just he ain't gotta commit to That was my thing. I at least had a hezzy, I'd go right by you. Yeah. You know what I mean? What move do you think like that's my move? How like Tony Hawk has the nine hundred? What's your thing? What's your like signature thing that's like they're gonna put on like a a gif on your gravestone of this move? Well, ear early in my career is just like a hezzy. You know, like I'm thinking regular basketball, you know, like like a look away or like some quick like I switched my feet, do like quick, like little like hezzy. I was always really uh at a quick twitch like a first step. But um but no now like in the internet era and one probably like just between the legs or like something where I spin the defender around or something. You know what I mean? I know a lot of moves. I only have like one signature per se, but yeah. But um yeah, I learned that from my teammates. So that's love. What's your give give us a Mount Rushmore all-time and one dudes? Just four dudes, like who is like Well he's gonna get him in trouble, Sharder. Oh, shoot, you're not saying four. I need a Mount Rushmore of just like the dudes of all time. Like who I mean, if you if you have anything to weigh in on this, but the Mount Rushbore. What are you talking? about you you say saying Entertainment, skills? You saying when you put them back in the middle of everything. When you think of Anne One, who do you think of? You gotta be one of the dogs. I'm gonna put you out there. You are one, so name three. Would y ag'reeall he gotta be one? Gotta be. And I'm not just glazing his puss ass because he said that's real shit. Hey, humble. But anyway, go ahead. Humble, bro. Come from you. Um, yeah, I think when people think of An one, I think they think of um , yeah, I think they think of myself, H ot Sauce. For sure. Skip, because he started it and played in the NBA. He's the best player. Player. And then that that last block, like a lot of people remember Escalade. Of course, we were talking about him before you showed up. Yeah, so like I think he would be the most remembered, but anybody go on that force AO is on all the mixed. AO is like the best player to like like outside of ski like one of the best players. Lot of dudes though. Rest in peace, Alimo . Headache was a beast too. A lot of dudes could feel sick with it. A lot of dudes could feel that fourth spot. But I'm gonna go escalate because that's who they remember. Who had the most bounce, bro? On that tour? Man, it was crazy because some of the bounce was like unhurt. Even today, they'd still be better than the dudes today. I think um when I first got there, it was like Spider. He's shorter than me. That's the crazy part. Like, I'm 5'10, he's five, nine and a half, but he'll have like 30 dunks in a game. Just feet up on a backboard. Bro's just like a ninja. Like it don't even make no sense. But um who was on the squad though? So like, oh, then helic then later that summer, helicopter, this dude hel icopter had like more hops than spider. I was like, dang, like it kept getting better. Then the next year or two years later, we met Arab there. Arab there probably like a fifty-one , fifty-inch. You see Arab there? The 720.? Yes Okay, Arab there was the best I've ever seen. What was what the name Mr. Africa or just Africa? Oh, Africa was nice too. But he didn't like N1. He was on like the ball up. Oh, okay. I thought he was on up. No, he was crazy too. He had uh he had like the up and under, like he'll go up like this and he'll do a reverse, like from the from just inside the foul line. He was the first bro threw a bounce pass Ali Oop too from half court over there in Taiwan or somewhere. Okay, yeah. Okay, yeah. But anyway, a lot of dudes, but I would say uh one foot springs was the best one foot. He jumped from the foul line three times in one game. He's only six one. That's insane. He went from the foul line three times in one game. He had to piss in a cup after the game nowadays. He did that shit. Yes. Yeah, exactly. I know. And then Arab, Arab there are the two foot. But I think most people think Arabic. I forgot about the 720. The 720 was fucking insane. He's had the most hitting the most bounce. Arab there. Yeah. Yep. That was the best like non-MBA NM dunker. N and M dude still hooping though. Well, from An1? Yeah. Oh, our Sigwood is still plays a little bit funny. Yeah, Sigwood's like 50 years old. He's still A.O. don't play. He doesn't play, no. No. No. Some of the stuff that we saw. It sucks. I I just seen how you know me and Hossos, we we hadn't seen each other in like 16 years. No way. Yeah, just a lot of whatever. We're good though. But um yeah, he told me he didn't either. I was like, dang, I wanted to make a video. I was trying to do like Mr. Hot Sauce video. I want to see if I can convince him. I don't in Atlanta. Yes, in Atlanta. Yep. Is there is there anybody from that era that you were like, yo, like they should be in the NBA. You know, you know hoopers that are like they might have not made it, but you're like, yo, like he had the talent. Was there anyone from the and one era that you thought actually could have been in the league? Uh yeah, I think it's hard to say because like the I don't believe like the fan fantasy view, you know, they think like we all could have been starters in the league or something like that, but I think like AO had he made a few different choices, you know, like l hit the he never hit the weights, right? Didn't hit the weights. Weights made him slower, uh. Yeah, he'd had to be a different mindset to be coachable, you know, to like fit the system. But like AO had the talent. Um a lot of let's see, main event, maybe at the talent. I think uh prime objective went to camp with a couple teams, something like that. But the could could guys have been on a roster? I think a few guys could have made been on a roster had they made different. It's like the theory view point of them, maybe not the re because like the real viewpoint was like people know they knew we was out there. You know what I mean? Did y'all ever get together and it's to chop it up about maybe some couple of y'all getting the N one back, bringing that shit back. Well, the funny thing is I just I just signed with them this year. I was about to bring it up. So you're back in the back in the fold with A1. What's the new position? Like what's the new Yeah? So like the brand never went away. Like in I think in 2013, they went to Walmart. So it's like Shaq and Anwan of the sport brands of Walmart. And then um this year they're trying to like sign talent, not necessarily like NBA players, but like, you know, influencers and people like that. There was no tal ks about bringing back the tour, but they do do events where they invite us all there. So like at All Star Weekend, it was uh Shane was it me, Shane sick with it, hot sauce, uh pharmacist, AO . We we did like this uh give back in Compton at this park. It was like park refurbishment, court refurbishment um event. And then uh we had like a party. It was like slam and an one or whatever. So that was dope. Oh you guys had like Jada or what? Yeah, it was a Jada kid party. He came through. It actually was n real nostalgic. It was it was actually really dope. But um yeah, I want to get into more talks with them. Like, you know, I signed the deal, it was a lot of negotiation and came to it. And um it's about product. You know, it's like other brands, right the they sign you you you post your deliverables you know I wear if I'm hooping I'm all and one and a lot of even casual days sometimes still wearing and one but um we didn't if they were gonna do the tour would have been the deal, right? So I didn't get into deep talks about. I think I asked them when we first got on the call. Like, we ain't bringing back the tour. Like, what's good? You know, this is the perfect time to do it, I think. I can't remember exactly what they said, but they they did have some like open runs. They tried to mimic back in the day, like open run per se but not the tour like it used to be so I want to get I want to have more talks about it. Yeah even the one on one shit. That'd be perfect for these gets now that's all right. He's working on that. So let's like the head of branding shout out um to Dexterx deck uh deter gordon he said big dex what up boy they are working on something that is like a one-on-one platform with and one so y'all need a ref so that's in a word yeah well now that you ask him, I'll tell him he's gonna call you. He's gonna call your people. I got that whistle on deck. Sure. Uh you played with MK a little bit. It's crazy. Um so MK. So a lot of people don't know because they're always like, you need to play MK one-on-one. It's like MK is 23. Yeah. 23 years old. He got grew up watching me. So he like loves street ball. Loves and one. So um we linked up before he blew up. We did a park takeover in Paris at the Olympics. And I was actually it's actually a collab with uh D Frega. Do you know? I do. Next chapter. Yeah, so I collabed with Frega. And he was like, yo, we're gonna do this concept. We're gonna bring you out there. You're gonna be in disguise. And then like midway through the run, we I asked if we need an extra guy and you're gonna like reveal yourself. So we did that. And like MK was there and I'm not even knowing it. Like MK was there. He played like a half of one game with me and then that was it. And then me and Frega played. So we met there and he was like a fan and he was asking me what to do. And I was like, I don't know. You should just travel, document all your stuff, upload the best highlights. And then like he did it. It went crazy. We linked up twice and for some reason didn't work out. So we met here. This is in um Abu Dhabi . Or Dubai, like over by Dubai. Yeah. We did a park takeover. We announced it just like the day before. 15,000 people showed up. We didn't security. They wouldn't clear the court. We couldn't do even the event. Really? And then we're like a month late month or two later, we're like, let's run it back. We did something with the Euroleague and we met in um Serbia, but it was like 40 degrees and it was rained out, and then they didn't have even a backup they didn't even have an indoor venue to go for us to go to if that didn't. So like I tried twice and it just didn't work out. You got a show you're working on this summer? Yeah, so I got a show coming out. Super excited about it, podcast uh it's called The Handle. Yeah. The Handle. What kind of shit are you gonna be getting into? Um, it's gonna be like a lot of basketball. Love to have Jay on the show. We'll talk more about it. We'll talk more about it. Cool, cool. Appreciate that. Um, but no, like like like NBA players, X NBA, but then a lot of people who are just like prominent in the culture, musicians, stuff like that. I wanna give too much out there. But yeah, it's a show. There's more to it than just the podcast component, but I'm excited. That is exciting. Yeah. Also, I was familiar with your work. You did stuff with like the prison fellowship. Like you would go so what what did that look like? You would go play dudes just who were who were locked up, go to prisons and play against dudes? Yeah. You must have seen some interesting shit there. Yeah, like basically it's like a Christian organization, so they wanted me to do like you know, tell my story to the prisoners, and then they were like, they got a basketball court there in the yard. They're like, think you could play there and make a video. And I was like, I guess. Like, you think so? Yeah. So I went there and talked to him. Everybody's actually super cool, though. I think what you find is it's just like people who made bad choices and like , you know, not saying it's some are better worse than others. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Because like this was a maximum security. Like nobody was getting out. There was only one dude who was getting out in less than 10 years when I was there. And then um yeah, we just I just ran a bunch of I probably played like ten games of one on one and then we just docum ed the whole experience uh 10-0 . Actually lost one game. No Duka who lost one game. Well we played into three though anybody's game. You know what I'm saying? to Play three. Don't you agree? Yeah. Right. Oh well, how bad are you gonna embarrass a guy who has life in prison too? You know what I mean? You're gonna off the heazy somebody who uh has uh got to shank in there. Gotcha. Yeah, yeah. What? I didn't I did the roll off the heezy though. Oh yeah, yeah. The respect was that. It's crazy the dude had glasses too. I think his glasses came on list. I was like, oh, I was like, you good, bro? But nah, uh Uh everybody was just cool though. They're actually excited to do something fun though, because like a lot of it you you don't realize like behind bars, like depression. You know what I'm saying? It's depression, it's isolation. So I think for a lot of guys who did cause a lot of people didn't participate too. But for the guys that did, it was more like a a day to have fun and forget about it. They like seeing the other dudes get embarrassed, right? Because they just clown. Yeah, it was probably the best day of the year for them. Yeah, so it was like it actually was like super cool and everybody was it was all love. Like it wasn't even what you thought but uh it was good man shout out to uh my guy Jay Lyons he that was his idea you only did that one time we're trying to do it again it's funny you said I love to be a part of I I just want to come do it I want to be a ref . No, bro. Bro, you're too valuable to be a ref. I just told you. I just told y'all I'm evil when I hoop. I can't be evil in the penitentiary. Okay, what about you just- You talking about? What about this? What about you pull up ? You play look, we're playing games of three or the five, right? They're short. Horse. No, but look, you play one or two games, you just go half speed. Really? Jay Will just does a note. We're just gonna do highlights. We ain't gonna show the whole game. Yeah. I'm in, bro.. Okay, yeah, yeah No, I can't. Yeah, like just play a couple games. But anyway, no, it'd be an honor. I was actually trying to do a collab with either a dunker or an NBA player or whatever, but yeah, I ain't got no dunks. But no, but if you just pulled up, it's I'm in, bro. Crazy. I get maybe I was thinking like Chris, you know, Chris Staples. Yeah. Like have a dunk so he can finish. Maybe we'll play twos. Maybe Jay will sub in for one game. I don't know . I like see you thinking he's smart already. Dunk it on a present Dunk it on a lifer. Watch your head short. No, but listen , it's light work for you though. Like you're thinking I think they have no time to practice. You know, I realized talking to you, you just have you have a high bar of basketball.