The Queen's Blood and Final Thoughts

Hello, welcome Welc to a very spooky episode of House of Art. I'm Jooyna Robinson Join me today, our very own tough cookie on the drums. It's Mallory Rubin. Joanna never Never play two nights in Detroit. You never know what's going to happen. you might end up with a broken orbital bone. Listen It's the Vampirelist at time. It is interview with the Vampire season three, AKA the Vampirelist at. We're here to break it down for you with book context. We'll do a book spoiler section We'll talk about the music, we'll talk about the fashion. We'll talk about all of it. rightight after this This episode of House of Aar is presented to you by Target. For thirty years, Pokemon has shown that adventures are better together, and Target is calling all trainers to the celebration That's because there's something for every era of fan in the Pokemon and Target limited time collection. 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Gambling problem call one eight hundred gambler or one eight hundred My resSet Just really quickly, I just thought in honor of the absolute buy icon that is Listat de Leoncor. Happy Pride, everyone. Happy Pride. It a perfect show for us to cover during Pride Month. So here we are, here we are. Pgram rememinders. Yes The end of this week Mhm We're starting with vampires. That's right. Rning with Aliens question mark. We'll find out. Disclosure Day. Yeah. You're excited? I am. Okay very excited. We're gonna to talk about disclosure day at the end of the week. Very excited about that. We have seen it. Yes. We'll be talking about it This is the first episode of the Vampire E Stat coverage, but it is not the last because I have bullied the entire team into covering the Vampire Eat week to week And they're all doing it with joy in their heart. Yeah, genuinely. It's gonna be great. We've got another Nolan episode coming up with another very special guest that weited about trying to squeeze one more in before Hot D starts and that will leave us with just one. Just Oppenheimer left after that. that where the. Dark Night Rises. Yeah, thenen Oppenheimer, then it's Odyssey T timee. It would have been funny to flip those and do Oppenheimer and then end on pain. Yeah, just to really keep the b Just to like for you your whole Your five year long agenda. Yeah. It's longer than that. It's just five years on this pok. Five years as far as I know. How's the dragon? That's right soon. I can't believe it I can't believe it's June. because it' very excited. It's very exciting. We're going gonna have an incredible summer. because we're doing vampires and dragons. And guess what? Spoiler alert, incest for both. Oh excitingh. Exciting stuff. A lot of movies coming outl. Odyssey Spy Spidey. A two and a half hour long Spider Man movie. It' exciting. Very exciting Before we get into oh, and we do want to apologize, I, we know that there was like a final House of the Dragon trailer that was dropped. Yes I was in Sweden. I was in Sweden, she was on the hook and I did not have it within me to try to find like the two remaining producers stateside to record solo pod. Most of the entire team was in Sweden. so it was we had locked in programming Six weeks before that trip, it was very, very difficult genuinely to make late stage adjustments. but Great news. We did full breakdowns of the prior two trailers. So if you're like, what do you guys think of the trailer Th We we really loved the most recent trailer. There's a quick update. That was great. Our hype level was already high. It's even higher now, great Good, We went beat by beat for the prior two trailers. so check out those ps if you ha't it. They're wait for you. Great news Woret folks find all of those things, including discovering what I'm wearing on this podcast I mean This is a very normal thing that I have don in. a very normal. Don in in honor of the vampireless at normal work clothing. Now I had been treated, I will answer your question about where people can find it, but I had been treated to a glimpse via text message, but which was resplendent and majestic, but nothing could have prepared me for the absolute Majesty of seeing you in person. The deck in full for the Vampire List St at your most anticipated S show of the summer You look like a rock goddess. Now you always I'm always give in rock go Goddess. I'm not sure that that's we've something different with your hair? My hair is different. It's incredible. My hair is different, but the nerdy glasses are still here and I'm not sure the vampireless out would be caught. I think those are pretty hip. And I think being a nerd is pretty hip. Let me just throw that out there. Yeah. whereere can all the hip nerds find us? Here's what I'd recommend Follow the pod. Follow House of R on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. You can watch full video episodes of House of R on Spotify Incredible and the Ringerverse YouTube channel. So follow that as well. Also, Newish Instagram TikTok at House of ourur Pod. It's popping over there. Follow along if you haven't yet. We've been having a blast You can see Joanna's get up today on the video episode of the podcast, but also there will be some glimpses on social media for sure. Valor has procured some props for us. Well, I knew you had like a whole custom fit. so I said, what can I do and then rush ordered some plastic, very cheap fangs that I'm sure will like destroy our mouths as we take a picture and then hopefully we can heal in time for the disclosure day pod. So that's why I would recommend. And of course, the inbox is always open Hobbits and Dragonsgmail. com send us your emails on Vampireessot D Disclosure day Nolan, anything, everything, all of it Before we get into more of Empire ofat, we want to take a moment to to talk about a person who's very important to us who just passed away, Anthony Stewart Head who played Giles on Buffy Vampire' Llayer among many other things Um When he passed away, I got The number of messages I thought I would get from people who know that I am a lifelong Buffy fan. Yeah, but also the number of people who are like, is Mallory okay? I love him. Yeah ye We both love Giles. We want to honor him. We got these beautiful stickers from Jacob who works on the show. brought us these My heart belongs to Daddy Giles stickers Um before Anthony Stewart, he got them first us before Anthony Stewart had passed away. but We have them now talk about styles and what this means for you So when my flight landed from Sweden, I returned to the United States of America landed in LAX and you know, you're loading your phone, how many messages will load? how many won't load? How many have I missed over these twenty two hours of travel, et cetera first alert I saw from multiple people Athad with Carlis andar Juna, first thing Adam had texted me about was it was all the news. So that was just like you know, you let out an audible gasp, veryy sad, very awful. We've had the pleasure now of covering four seasons of Buffy together. We're still in the midst of our watch And as you know, as the bad babies know, I have just fallen so completely in love, not only with Giles, but with with Anthony Head because it's just such a completely captivating performance and it's obviously just like tremendously sad. I think one of the you know, one of the strange things about loss when it's like a public figure, right? Somebody who you as a viewer or a listener or whatever the case may be, a reader, have a deep attachment to is that you feel this grief And you see then that other people who love that fictional universe who love the performance feel that way too. and there's something shared about that. And then of course, you see what the loss means to everybody who knew him. And that was just so You know, it's deeply sad, it's very moving, but there is of course an element amid the despair of like celebrating, celebrating the impact that he had on everybody. And so to see the The tribute posts from all of the members of the cast who not only loved him, but clearly learned so much from him to see what a formative figure he was in shaping their young careers and lives was like pretty remarkable to get to see. Yeah. think the It was Sarah's post that really like the same as when Nick Brandon passed away and it was Allison's post that really like wall up to me post really, really hit me hard. and yeah, I'm thinking about Sarah Michelle Geller Alison Hannigan and James Marstters and David Boranas who were all like of varying ages and Sarah had been doing soaps for a while, but this was like her stepping into another level of something entirely and the rest of them just like you know an early major project. for them for David Boran as his like first acting project. So for them to talk about him as this like Guiding gels, like figure for them on set in addition to everything else and then I was just thinking a lot about about Giles and what he meant to me I think, you know, I've talked a lot about how I was the exact same age as Buffy when I was watching the show. And I don't have a great relationship with my parents and it was definitely fraught when I was a teenager. And so I so relate like of all the things I real there's like a lot that I don't have in common with Buffy, but like the ability to find that like sort of Giding light family figure inside of your faculty is something that I really, really related to as a teenager. And so just like how important it was to see an example of ility to find that kind of parental guidance and care and love even if you can't, you know, even if your dad sucks and your mom is busy at the gallery a lot. So, you know, it was u That's buuffy, not me. You know, it was he's very, very important Um And And I love how much you love him Yeah and I've loved you know, rediscovering him with you has been wonderful. and You know, between you haven't even Met Michelle Trchtenberg's character but between Michelle Trchtenberg and Nick Brandon and Anthony Sthead, it's just like a lot of loss inside of the Buffy community recently. So I to forget about that knowing that Dawn awaits in season five, even though I don't have that experienceet. God, that's just, yeah, tremendously sad. Thank you for sharing that with us. Thank you. I know how much you know, I saw your post about the the photo that was like your my desktop photo desktop photo college. and I obviously texted you right away just because I know what a, you know, seismic and central presence he was in your life for so long and continues to be and like just knowing how Ebody has their own relationship to that character and the performance, but How much he means to so many people? and I love what you just said. and you know It's been one of the really great things to cover. O obviously I just have like a tremendous crush on Giles and he's very powerful in many respects. But you know, one of the things that's been such a joy to cover And to think about as I've watched the show for the first time is the impact that he and Buffy have on each other and the way that they teach each other and the whole sccooby gang and that Giles is this mentor and this guide and this stalwor, but also he has as much to learn and they're shaping him in turn. That's just been such a rewarding way to think about those relationships that can help kind of root you throughout your life and guide you throughout your life The idea that like somebody who you're meant to learn from, like one of the things you can just learn is to like embrace your ability and your sense of purpose and then figure out what you want to do with that. It's just such like an empowering an empowering thing. So it's been really, really, really great to get to spend time with Giles and with performance and God, it's going to be it's going to be sad to to season five Boot up season five So thank you to all the Buffy fans who have been watching along with us. We'll be back at the like probably towards the end of summer, maybe in August with Buffy seeason five as the plann. So the rewatch continues. we just have some dragons and other vampires to get to in the meantime. Speaking of, I just w want to shout out I watched The Tony Wars last night because that's exactly the kind of person that I am my favorite W work show and the Last Bys musical really did quite well at the Tony's. and so it's vampire season, baby. Wonderful. We get, you know, a vampire Hunter's layer reference inside of this episode. sppoiler warning for this episode. Yes. Most of almost all of our discussion today will be confined to what happens in this episode, informed by context from The books, The Vampire Lat and Crereat of the Damn, not to mention an interview with Vampire, but no direct spoilers And I'm relying on Mallory to like, sort of my impulse is there if she wants to I have no book knowledge in this place. It's an interesting experience. It's fun to be, you know, and I guess if anybody is checking out this pod for the first time and didn't hear our gift exchanges You know, this to you this is a sacred text, a big part of your life for a long time. The show has been your one of your seminal India. you've been there for minute one for the show. I had not not read the books, I had not seen the show. and consumed seeasons one and then two subsequent holidays as part of our gift exchange and annual tradition. and just loved the show. I thought it was just sensational. The writing is like God toer, The performance is wonderful. I really thought both seasons were excellent. I thought season two was like ularly good. I still have not read any of the books and so I, you know, that is obviously different to how I typically emb on this pod. but I'm kind of looking forward to it a little bit actually. There's something very different about you know, thinking of the experience exclusively through the lens of what I am consuming inside of each episode. So I did have a moment as you know, because I said it on the pot I like a week and a half ag right before school soon I was like, S ulate at that point, honestly, but maybe one day I still will But I have not and you know, I'm already looking for like I said after the u seeason two gift exchange likeike, I'm already excited to like rewatch the show and spend more time with it kind of again and again because especially just the richness of it really really a rewatch. It really, really does. And even this episode, we'll talk about it of course in depth, but I appreciate it Every subsequent watch I did at this episode, I appreciated it more. So we'll be doing book context Yes I have some book passages to read today, etcetera, et ceter. But We will do like a brief book spoiler section at the end. Mallory has given me permission And we had like a long back and forth about this, but she has given me full permission to spoil her about some like future book stuff that I know the fans are really eager to talk about as it pertains to this episode. So we will be doing a book spoiler section. you will hear an audio quue. Carlos has yet to decide which audio quue. Will it be a saucy guitar riff? Will it be a like Dracula like What about just the sound of like suckking blood secondconds up then You know, plenty of options presented in this episode of television alone All right, Let's go bottle. Let's do a vodka bottle. Did you enjoy the flash of the literal vodka bottle that we got during the sex montage later? Incredibly.m. Yeah. So book context, for the most part, book spoiler section at the very end, we'll warn you before we do that. Y. Quick facts Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles Uh I'm not going to go through the whole list but I'll say In interview vampire came out in seventy six The vampire of Stat, which is the main source text for this show came out in ' eighty five Queen of the Damed, which is sort of also seeded into this season, eighty eight Tale of the body thief ninety two And then we get men, not the devil ninety five, the vampire L Armand ninety eight. I don't know On and on and on and on up through twenty eighteen was the last one. I don't know what the plans are depends entirely on like ratings and contracts and stuff like that. I don't know that I've heard, maybe he has and maybe you guys can email us at Hobins and Dragstud. com if Rolland Jones has talked about how far into the series he wants to go I think he's planning to go at least up through book four, which is quite exciting U This show, the Vampire of St, a rebranded season three of Egath the Vampire. Yes AMC Sunday nights, but it's got that MC plus like really fun slash annoying like midnight drop on Saturday. So by the time you wake up on Sunday, plenty of people will have watched the episode, it airs on AC and Sunday nights U seeven episodes setet in twenty twenty five and the eighteenth century and some unspecified future date of you know, wherever else we may go And it picks up not too long after interview with a Vampire season two concludes. R U att least in the twenty twenty five timeline.es. And as I mentioned, based on both the Vampire ofat and Queen of the Damned, any questions, comments or concerns about what I've said thus far? No, I don't think so. Do you have a sense of like how many people are watching in real time? How many people have AMC plus? Right. It's a great question. I mean, we got emails when I woke up, we had emails from people who had already watched the episode and that's when I realized that it was a midnight Saturday dream. and I was like, h ye Yeah. I don't know, like the subreddit is buzzing, but like my algorithms are all messed up. And I'm just getting served like like As far as my algorithm is concerned, this is the biggest show that has ever existed and I know that's not the case. so But people are excited. yeah, I really like hope because I have a u editor working on the internet SEO brain. like no, don't rebrand your show. kind of like reflexive recoil. And I say this with nothing but admiration for the first two seasons of interview with the Vampire, which, again, you got me to watch and I thought were excellent There is something about the rebrand that's an opportunity to say like, come in now. ideeally you go and you catch up on the p two seasons, but if you haven't, like you know, a lot of they're out on the Sam and Jacob are out doing the GQ friendship test interviews. There's the UW cover, like they're all over Instagram as well, the concert. So Variety did releing the songs. Variety did publish an article about this about how this is like AMC's approach is sort of like And I because my algorithm is what my algorithm is. There was some backlash I saw from the fanda being like, why are you promoting the show so much more vigorously now that it's like a white lead versus when Jacob Anderson was the lead of the first two seasons. That's what my algorithm was serving me was that frustration. you know, and that's a perfectly valid response, but I see it as The show is amazing. but it's not finding the audience a massive audience that certainly AMC hoped it would when they spent all that money on it on the rights to Anne Rice's immmoral Universe. The Mayfair Witches show isn't doing as very well. The Tleam Maska show, I think, did not really hit as well as they wanted to. So like As you say, this is like a real opportunity to say like, come in, we have this like really flashy like rebrand and try to welcome people in to the universe. And I understand what the timing looks like for fans who feel frustrated by it. but As someone who wants this show to just keep going, I want as many people to know about it know about it governmentsible. And then the hope is like if you sit down to watch this episode, to watch Detroit, and it is your first experience with this AMC adaptation with this version of this universe You're going to want there is, I think no chance you could watch this episode and not want to go back and watch the first two seasons. It's just too captivating and the performances are too like there's just something like kind of rapturous about being in the world. That's the hope, right? And like, we'll see, it'll be interesting to track over the course of the season. My algorithm is less centrally Oriented around the vampireless stath than yours is But it has been making its way into my. So that has been exciting and fun to see. and it gave me a real just like last week while not sleeping for a solid week.eteet in ye. It was every time I saw something on my Instagram feet I was like, Yeah, let's go. Like the more people who know how wonderful this is the better. And I completely I hear, you know where was this before? And like again, hopefully everybody goes back and discovers the ext. I'm sure there's two seasons as well. By the way, I'm sure the people who make the show are like, yeah, AMC, where was this? the entire huge effort? And I think AMC was hoping that the brand of The quality of the show and the brand of Anne Rice's universe would be enough to like push people. But AMC plus is a subscription service that like Not everyone feels like they have the luxury to subscribe to. There's a whole like and AMC went through this before with Breaking Bad. There's the whole like post it's on Netflix bump that, you know, you can see where it's like, okay Uh, I watched And I think it was like three or four seasons of Break and Bad that night Netflix and then all of a sudden it was like the biggest show and everyone was like, well, I have to watch this season live. So I will subscribe to MMC and that is certainly what they watched the first two seasons of interview with the Vampire on Netflix. Yeah now the Netflix is a real thing. So we're hoping that is what will happen here now to our opening satchion. Episode one, Detroit Most though not all the episodes this season appear to be named stops on the tour, so that's fun. We spent two nights in Detroit as you talked about, bad idea. We'll talk about it. Directed by Craig Zisk who also directed, among other things, donon't be afraid to start the tape my favorite episode of Interview Empire season two. Unbelieveable. My favorite episode of like television that came out that year. which is an incredible episode. And so incredible. He takes on really challenge in this episode. There's like there's an immediate change of tone. Yes. An immediate change of style. you know, so this this like reinvention that you're talking about is not just in the name, but in the entire sort of ethos of of the show Y This episode written by the showrunner Rollin Jones and Hannah Moskowich, just a few table setentters before we get into the deep dive. I personally find myself and as you know, I love accent work I love Sam Reid That man hardard not to M As La Stat. I find myself in desperate Nato clothes captioning this season The you know, the the score, the rock score The rapid fire patter of this show, the like really funny jokes that are just almost tossed away often by Sam Reid. The accent, which I love Sam Reads, Australia by the way of you know, France accent. I'm a big fan of it But he's now our narrator.. And so it's not just Listat when he's talking, but All of the narration is no longer Jacob Anderson's very clear narration, but there is this accented narration. and then there's just like rock and roll chaos going on. So and I'm old. so I mean same you know, when Jennify Ey shows up and she's doing a very special accent as well. And so like This is a clothed c for me close capturing required experience. And I will say a lot of the initial reaction that I saw on the subreddit last night was people saying couldn't really understand what was going on sometimes. So because of the the subtitling need for subtitling or the moving through time or the LSD hallucinogenic aspect. Maybe all of the above. And I think that's like I think that's a very I think that's a fair respon. I love this episode. Yeah. Did you like this episode of television? I did. I really enjoyed it. I had a great time with it. I needed to watch it more than once like fully. and I watched it the first time without subtitles, just to kind of like take it in and full. You know, the right away we open with the opening credits They're fun, they're funky. was I liked it as kind of like a declaration of intent, which tracked very well with what came in the episode, this like R version of kind of an LSD. Yes, a hallucinogenic kind of experience. and also just a signal this is a new thing. this is the next chapter, the next iteration. but also was a little bit of a signal of like, pay attention, right? You're going be and then you have the introduction in short order, We're moving through time We'll go through the entire episode like you said, and in sequence in Chronological orrder, but we open with the auction, we move back to Detroit, We move back further from there to the Halloween formation of your band, which is like a prior timeline. Obviously we're glimpsing a ton of stuff from the past these moments from Lestat's history beyond that. especially at the end when Lestat is tripping, then he like he has a narrator and I want to talk about this, you know, like When Louis was our narrator in season one and Daniel eager journalist that he was was like, you know And that sounds like this, and let's get ahead and all this sort of stuff like that. Yeah. And Lou in season one says racing ahead again, mr. Mlloy, let the tale seduce you just as I was seduced, right? He's like, I'm going tell this slowly and in order Yeah. And look that's like, where was I? W I fucking in the elevator? Was I fighting upstairs? No that doesn'tatter That was l. you know like he's chaotic sort of AyD and then like U you know, further impacted by the drug trip, style of narration is a nonlinear style. How How do you feel about that I Love it. I think that it is maybe there is a beat of lamation that is required But I think we will be rewarded for Yeah because there is like and, you know, we' hit these in context as we go, but there are multiple like deeply prophetic Carpingers throughout the importance importance. And I would also say ortense and sign. Wow that's an ninjoke check out. or other pod, so understand what that means. This sense that all of these Horrors and atrocities await. You know, Daniel coming in al along with Sam from the Theater Troupe, incredible stuff. Yeah to help in the Fanggang hallway fight one of the examples and love the way L stat was like, you know, Daniel, he really he saved me and that was great. But like if he hadn't, what of these other people would have been okay. like good for humanity at the end of it, that's not great. And there are other notes earlier as well It kind of, I think heightens and enhances that, even just the auction, this estate to give away. There's this like Well, this several of our main characters are grievously injured. Yeah, and also like is he dead? What's going on there?ad if this stuff is being sold at aion for these price points, et cetera. And what has happened that he is clearly like a key driver of. So that is very interesting. But I think because we talked about this a little bit in season two And this is delving even deeper into like this kind of like poor impulse and how the text is structured. The question of like Who is a reliable narrator, who is the author and arbiter of history? Can you trust another person's account of your experience in your life, but also like can you trust your own account, your own record? Because your own memory is deeply flawed and that is just inherent and the longer you're alive, presumably the harder it becomes to hold on to any strand of your experience. So the fact that this for List stat it's like, fractured and messy and there's exciting pops of color. and then he'll say like this is sort of the fun that I like to sing about in my song you face. and you're like We, but part of the reason to write the song is to like there's a therapeutic cathartic act of creation and condion the earirthing of memory. Yeah. that's a big part of, you know, his freak out that happens actually before he drinks the drugeds blood That freakout is a huge indicator for what this process is for Lat in the book and here in the show, which is just sort of like You know Louis proclaims to remember things, but there were things that he didn't know about and also things that because he's not a human, but like has a, you know, a flawed man like brain, you know is going to be informed and the show's constantly engaging with that informed by his own biases or self edits or whatever the case may be. And F less stat in this situation, it's so interesting because you know The format is We're replacing Dany Mlloy is writing a book, that premise with Daniel Mulloy is directing a movie And inside of that L Stat is narrating the failures, this project that he has pressed into vinyl that's at auction that we're listening to with like Edits to be taken out later also still in there alsoso there's the great song project, the album that he's working on, like all the music he's creating. So there's these various expressions of Artistically, how do we encapsulate a life? How do we tell a story U He is Chacterized as omniscient narrator in the failures sequence, which means the show gets to follow characters outside of scenes that Listotte was present for. Right? So we could presumably follow Louis a bit this season or Daniel when he's not with Lestotte or what is Armand upd or all these other things without Listot having to be there So when you make it an omniscient narrator, does that make it reliable and accurate? or are we now just getting the very seemingly unreliable emotional encapsulations of Listat about Yeah, thingsings that he wasn't even witness to. To me, I think it feels like more likely to be the latter Yeah because that's part of, I think what the like the thesis of the show and how it's adapting this is like interesting. And again, I don't really have the framew of reference for how censral that is in the book, but this idea like Lat saying Okay What am I first of all This is a hysterical episode of television.. Like And again, the jokes are just like often tossed out mumled away. Yeah, and you only catch them on like the second or third. Yes. So you're cracking up, there is such a wit and like the humor that is simultaneously, you know, and again, sort of for the character, two hundred sixty five years definitionally like eternal and universal in a setense and then hyper attuned and specific to the moment that he's chronicling That's all Great. I think this idea of like L at the stretchering. The bookstar C was so funny. J just like, Chef's kiss wonderful. Yeah. He's back at his his flat. rolling, you know, fact checking in real time this account when a suuperfan at the concert comes up to him after to get him to sign the book, he scrolls He doesn'tasons lies, right? So this idea, the compulsion to correct the record. to me forist very relatable, right in general, like, oh, that that's I misunderstood R This is a very human impulse for the immortal style. Yeah. But the idea to say like I am misunderstood in a public fashion. I am misunderstood by the person who's supposed to understand me the best. So I have correct the record in a way that, of course misunderstands everything else just through my lens and like with my thumb on the scale is perfect. And so the idea to do it simultaneously through the music itself, like even the name failures. Well what are the failures? the attempt to be a rock star or the stories that he's chronicling comes out. And then the documentary to bring in Daniel to say like, okay, the way that I will a very fun like, you know, I heard your request to be like is absurd, right? The idea that like the one person who can undermine the sanctity of the interview with the Vampire Text is the author of it, that there will be like a sanctioning and a there's a more like valid quality to Lestat's tale if Daniel is there to help author it. Yeah. There's such a conscious engine driving those choices that as a result, how can we expect the account to be R accurate. Yeah. yeah, exactly. It's interesting, obviously like what we do as podcasters is a mirror drop in the bucket compared to like The Rockstar list at But it is such a weird thing to have a se semi sort of like public facing job And occasionally, things like get surfaced to me from the internet. that are just completely untrue about me that people say with such conviction. And I'm like, where did you get that conviction that you're like, well, Joanna feels this way or Joanna did this or Joan, and I'm just like, that's Just like Not true. notot true. And I don't refute it because it's just sort of like, what's the point? But it's such a weird space to be in. And again, this is like a very small fraction of like this no one's ever written a book about me obviously, but like why would they? But Yeah. But it's such a fucking weird experience that people speak with such certainty, absolute untruths about you. And like for Listat, Are there things that are factually untrue when he's like My hair never fucking looked like that. How dare you or whatever the case may be. then there's also sort of like characteristically. Is this how you actually saw me? that Is that actually what you thought my interior life was like You know, at the end of the day Last thing I want to talk about before we get into sort of this more chronological thing is the overarching idea of musical numbers is storytelling, right? So this is Daniel Hart gave this great interview where he was talking about the creation of the songs. And we get three songs in this episode, specifically Longface, which was the first one that they released. All Fll Down, which is on the opening credits was also on a couple trailers. And then Black Licorice, which is the song that he has the like freak out during and has the Big violin solo. This is what Daniel Hart said Songwriting is one of the main ways in which he looked at stays connected to humans in season three. Humans write a lot of songs about love and we write a lot of songs about loss. and Listat has loved a lot and lost a lot. The songs so very specific to Listat Now, when he talked about the process of it, how he was like in the writer's room from the beginning of the season And how he was writing the he wrote the songs, the music and the lyrics, but collaboratively with Roland Jones, who is the showrunner, he would like come in and say like offer up ideas for lyrics that would be references to things that happened in previous seasons. or he's just like, Roland Jones has just been thinking about the psyche of Lestad for, you know, maybe his whole life, who knows, you know? And so he's just sort of like inside his head. And then with Sam Reid as well. likeike he's like, I collaborated with Sam Reid who's like been playing this character for so long. And so I just think that like Um, I love these songs. notot everyone is loving these songs, but I love these songs. and I just think that like I just think the opportunity to sort of pour over lyrics and try to like really parse what's going on here. One of my favorite things is black Licorice Mm where means exactly what you think it means is one of the recurring lyrics in that song. Be a lot of people think it means u Louis's Dick,, you know, and that could be what it is, but like it's just fun to get to parse and explicate these lyrics and have this extra added layer of ability to crawl inside of a character like Listat. Right. I love this first of all, if anyone has not checked out the incredible Fictional Bands episode that you did. Yes last week. treat yourselves wonderful stuff. And like the whole discussion of fictional bans, obviously, but the opening stretch on kind of like what is required to do do this well and the potential. it's funny because I had been thinking too about the comedy compet then obviously, you all talked about that. There are multiple moments in this first episode where with long face, especially but in general, there's like, it's incorporated into the text. This lamphading of like does this suck. And I thought this was very smart because there's enough First of all, it allows for us to track some sort of musical progression, maybe that's going to be in the venue size. you know, one of the moments that really made me chuckle. was a tour bus can' wait discuss set up about the tour bus. The tour bus driving through Dadsad Detroit Fast forward fields. And Daniel's like, this is where the Detroit liive yeah. This was an NFL stium. This is like a huge stium. right? I think he quoted like sixty thousand s, but the face tattoo Jell you roller in there and you're like out an eight hundred seam venue. You know So there's that aspect of it, how big is the band's stature, the celebrity, but also just what is the quality of the music. And if you watch the first episode and you think the music is incredible, then you get to be enraged on Lest Stat's behavf If don't feel that way about it, then there's cover to say. It's very clever. Allow your relationship to the music to evolve over the course of the season. It's super smart And they've been doing that in the entire lead up to this as they've released these mus, these musics. as they've released these songs, they all come with these fictional lighter notes written by Listat, where he's just sort of like, Daniel Hart, what a hack This sucks. Are you kidding me? You know So like the does Long Face suck being like text of the episode is really funny. All of the like Daniel Miloy skipping the concert and saying like I just spotified T Rex, you know, same thing and I love T Rex. So I'm like, yeah, no wonder this music's working for me. T Rex' one of my favorite bands, but like Um, you know, just talking about like How der If you think it's derivative, a character in our show thinks it's derivative. If you think it sucks, a character in our show thinks it sucks. you know, If you think it's funny that Lestat is playing such small clubs, we can talk about it. I think it's for budgetary reasons, but we've invented story reasons why We've invented story reasons why that's true. you know, And so I think that's just like, I think they thought of everything and covered it from every angle And in terms of just the choice to present and obviously I understand that this is this is cananon and this is from the text, but to present Listot as a person literally taking center stage. Y, right? a musician. Now this is what we'll talk about the scene where B Changs discuss the the yeararning tendrils, the need for millions, nay billions. R? W that top up your heart? This This is like I people need really do a podcast for me to feel like. Aillians in give us look mas stars. You know, this like just makes perfect sense, right? The idea that Lestat is a character who needs to be in the thick of things, needs to have people looking at him, needs to be in front of the microphone, under the spotlights couldn't be us, you know, needs everybody not just to look at him, but to know what he thinks. That's the extra element of it that's like, yes, and adore him and and worship him and chase him down. And and I loveved the like What is the description like the body burlesque, right? this idea that he is embracing the fact that he can play with, okay, is it true? Is it a lie? and we'll talk about that more as we go. But just that in general, like Okay, he could have been an actor He could he yes. he could have pursued fame in all forms. yes And he hopefully will continue to do I don't know music, to be the frontm, to be the person crafting the lyrics and then expressing them in this public way Music and I have never written a song, but I have listened to many. Would you like co writing credit on Santa Came on of Dragon ain to claim credit but I'm happy to consume it. inccredible stuff. The act of songwriting has always struck me as this fast, It's like so personal and internal, right? You were putting down these like innermost thoughts, but the desire is to to forge something that other people can put their own experience onto. Yeah. Right. And so like Lestat wants all of these people to listen to it and adore him, but like he wants Louis to hear that song. He knows he will. And so that is embedded into the act of creation is I will share my innermost thoughts and desires, but I know that you will be there to receive them. And I think you know, one of the runners in this episode is this text exchange that he's sharing with someone Jis Eetois. L me and you and the whole time you know Plenty of us think it's Louis. I thought it was Louis and I don't I was Lou, but I was watching with someone who knows the books better than I do. And she's like, I think this is a fake out and it's going to be Gabriella. And then it was. And I was like, o, damn, gota read these books. and I have since You won't fool me again, but the remoteness, the chilliness that we get from Gabriella in just this episode is sort of like I'm here, I'm suffering the like toxic sexual relationship when he needs you know mothering inside of this moment hole in his heart, you know, that needs topping up. like this is a right off the bat early explanation for why Lestat is the way that Lestatte is because his mother is the way that his mother is. And that is literally his mother who we meet at the end just in case you were like did literally mean mother? Yes. I have some questions. Gabriella is his mother and his lover and his sledgling. Sounds great This episode is brought to you by Target. 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Armond has lost an eye L Stat is nowhere to be seen. and here are some of the U quotes we get. great Consequent global catastrophe worrying the failures The regretful dead and the traumatized still alive and the very specific ed extinction of the Y chromosome. So these are the hints we have. They're some kind of Global catastrophe. Yeah. Many people died and the people who live through it are scarred.. And they tried to kill all the dudes. It's worrying Allight. It's a This's such a doomed note to start on. and this is kind of like the brilliance of the show and the way that it is crafted and scripted because You go right from that line and I am not saying that the attempted extinction of the Y chromosod across continents was all my fault into the signature humor of no, that would suggest a level of self importance that you and I'm not comfortable with. But upon reflection, yes I made a contribution and it's just like that's the show and ye,entred. Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, that opening auction, first of all, that sideboard was sick. Oh my go, it's beautiful. Can you imagine Weret you more interested in the port? Absolutely not the port. Or to can't take blood. Sounds right. I'll take the port. you You can take the blood. We could go in have these. Oh my goard. What do you think? I definitely think we could outbit the entire Talam Moscca, for sure U so there's port The blood of L stot, right? The decanted blood We should know that that is incredibly potent, powerful shit. that you know, no wonder there's a bidding war here Fun fraught looks between Louis, between Armond and between Raglyind James, who's here, who we met in a previous season played by the great Justin Kirk here representing Maska. U The fire stunt. Yeah, that was good. The Banksy move from Lestot, incredible Bradty pissing people off. And I just love how like delighted Louis is by this move from Lestotte. looved it Fantastic stuff Um, We talked about this sort of idea of the omniscient narration, but I just wanted to add to that idea of sort of like Who's telling the story and under what sort of level of reliability or authenticity We talked about this a little bit in I think our summer hype, but this idea of like we're meeting the realist dot kind of for the first time ever on the show, despite spending two seasons with him because every time we've seen him with one exception before now has been either Arman's recollection or Louis's recollection, notot just the sort of like dream ghost version that we meet in season two, but like every, you know with the fuck ass Bob haircut, like and no scars on his chest. like every version of Leotte we've met has been a recollected version of Lestott, right? Except for in the end of season two, when Louis goes to New Orleans, then we're outside the story that he's telling Daniel The real estate. But that's Lan who's like broken down and humbled and stuttering and upset and all this sort stuff of that. So Lisat and his full you know, brat printiness. This is our real introduction to him. That's so exciting for a character that we already love and a performance we already love, but it's like, Here's the real me. Yeah. Do you still love me? Right Yeah. Well, and like I love you know, as you know, I love stories like this, like the affair for. Rashamon or the E Showtime series The Affair. God, great stuff. I mean, it wasn't, but I enjoyed it. aspects of this ue or at least Lest Stat's version of himself are like more flattering Hm and which will be less flattering. Like when someone else holds an image of you in their mind or their heart. Yeah, is it Reree Is it chararitable? Is it both? when is it one or the other? and what sort of like messy blend? I think that's going to be like really interesting and fascinating to track. And also just like with Louis, Armand and Raglland there You know, we end, we leave that sequence without knowing who won the bid. Yeah, so who's listening to this? Right Yeah. And you know, it's very fun to know that Lestat is speaking directly to that buyer, right? You know the privileged comment wealth and the choices they've made about how to spend their money. But like, okay, is it is this purchase being made out of a desire for like proximity and closest to someone who is maybe like on missing, is it out of a desire to like know and understand Glean int? Is it a desire to protect right to keep this information out of other hands, some combination of no idea. L forward to finding out Um Really intriguing opening notes A will return this is the scene I'm most excited to return to in the bookpoiler section. So we will talk about in the bookpoiler section. Okay. But there's a lot of fun stuff happening here for people who have read the books. Okay. We go now to Detroit Night one. This is the long face performance. Yes. It's spring twenty twenty five, The voiceover lets us know we're in the second Trump administration with the a great nation was making itself great again, again The show rolles so good This is like An adaptive change that I think is really interesting because in the book, the Vampire of Stat awakens. He's been underground like sleep, you know, in a long sleep Sounds great And he's awakened into the nineteen eighties. by music. music wakes him up, hearing the like sort of loud rock music of the timeful is sort of like what brings and he's like, what's all this? What's happening in humanity? And he's like delighted by what he finds. And so there's this passage From there's like this prologue and then we get into sort of the autobiography backstory stuff But this prologue where he's talking about waking up and finding his band and his assessment of the eighties and it's really interesting because I'm like, this is what Anne Rice thought of the eighties when she wrote this book The simplest people of this age were driven by a vigorous secular morality as strong as any religious morality they had ever known. The intellectuals carried the standards Quite ordinary individuals all over America cared passionately about peace and the poor and the planet as if driven by a mystical zeal. Ah twenteth century, Ah, the turn of the Great Wheel, it had outdistanced my wildest dreams of it this future. It had made fools of grim prophets of ages past I did a lot of thinking about this sinless secular morality, this optimism. And then here's like key line brilliantly lighted world where the value of human life was greater than it had ever been before. When you compare that Lestot waking up to the world and he's like you know, very Jack skeleton. what's this, what's this, you know, like what's happening here compare it to Let's start later talking to Daniel. Yes. And he says The dark dreary industrial world has finally submitted to automation. laborers stand in their doorways hitting their pipes as their children half pipe in their drained empty swimming pools. Drugstores locked up baby formula and shaving cream while, sacks ate Barnneys. and someone told everyone that Lulu Lemo, I believe that's how you pronounced it. Lulu Lemo wasas sexy. Fs are irrelevant fors are everything And here's the key quote in the value of human life, it has never been more arbitrary. David, Freddie, Prince Rogers, they're all gone, and the lights on Tete's era has dimmed. fire coming down the hill, watery moving in on Nantucket, no more safe spaces. It's my era now. So this lat just reads the modern world to filth And so I just find that know that direct opposition of the value of human life has never been more arbitrary versus The value of human life was greater than it had ever been before in the eighties. And I'm curious if this is like I mean, I think it would be really hard you have a character in twenty twenty five around Americans say We're really doing right I' doing great fine. Is this just reflecting the realities of the culture right now? Though I think plenty of people would look around the eighties and say like what the fuck is going on here. So like is that just sort of like the people who writing the show are like Hey, man, we couldn't do this wonder celebration. So we did this really fun and funny like reading twenty twenty five to filth Yeah. Or is there something more interesting to you, Mallory is a non book reader to like Listot? Wh's not u, you know, excited and inspired by the world, but is like frustrated and disdainful of the world. Yeah, an interesting question. I think like this right to me for a few reasons, I guess. I think what you already said, like it would just be even in a show I love, I think like disqualifying to say like, Here we are in this moment in time. And everything's great. There's a way maybe with a really like hedonistic narcissistic character that you could position it as like, I am unaware of the plight and turmoil around me that would be a commentary of a different sort. I think that would actually be like a valid way to structure the show Butait What does it mean to be immortal? and what does it mean to have lived for nearly three centuries? Yeah. I think if you are a character who, even if you've spent like a chunk of that time buried underground and you miss certain things, this reminds us in this episode and I'm sure it will again and has before. Um you've lived like a lot of life, right? And for L stop I really loved the conversation with that there's a conversation I. can we call ations the exchange sorry that yeah, like one of the things that Baby Jrank said to him about like you're like a like wet clothes in a coin of dryer. you know, this idea that on the one hand, he is a character who has directly experienced a witness more of history than F anyone Yes. anyone around him any in any room he's ever going to be in Also who finds himself caught in these loops where no matter what is happening around him, he has these patterns that repeat, including this like need to be adored, need to be loved, and also like a capacity to love deeply in turn, right? So that's really interesting, like what is constant for him and what is shifting, and how is he responding to the world around him? But I think like a character who considers who simultaneously has like a lot of insecurity and doubt and shame and also considers himself so superior? a God, to look around in like the digital era and say like gods aren't swipes just was perfect, I thought. L that was great. And so you know, so much of black licorice, like the TikTok references and things like that. L what would it be like to have lived for all this time and then look around and just see everybody staring at their phones instead of like g up literally or figuratively, the deliciousness of life around them. I just think it's really interesting Um I'm curious to see what feels like it varies maybe city to city place to place. Like how much are the spots he's in actual characters androit? I think Detroit is a fascinating choice. This is no shade on Detroit, but like Detroit for A long stretch was like being used in every sort of like horror movie as a stand in for sort of like a crumbling American city, obviously like an industry town that had its industry sort of cut out from underneath it. One of my favorite vampire stories, Only Lovers Left Alive is set in like a really crumbling Detroit, you know, And so like I think Detroit as emblematic of that moment we're finding ourselves in the American experiment is really interesting. think that Specifically when Lestat in the book talks about what he loves about the eighties. He talks about among other things sort of like, The sexual hedonism and the gender fluidity of the world that he finds and he's just sort of like how exciting like bisexuality you is being celebrated. Men have long hair again and are wearing fun fashion again and you know, like all the dreariness of the more conservative decades that I live through are gone and we're in this like hedonistic celebration. TVlist. to say to mention David Bowie, Freddie Mercury and Prince as like these three people who are these three sort of like You know, pantheon of of rock royalty is specifically in that sort of like gender fluid queer space as like They're gone, what has taken its place is is that era over with the absence of those Titans inside of our world question worth asking, is there room for a Lestat to step in? say Who's to say The first shall we get I love Sam reid because Lastad is not at the auction. So the first shot we get of L Sam Reid in this series is the hand coming out into the spotlight, grasping the microphone And I was wondering if this was a u a book reference because in his prologue to the vampire to the Vampire L Sat, Lasatte says, The only consistent indication that I'm not human is my fingernails. It's the same with all vampires. Our fingernails look like glass and some people notice that when they don't notice anything else. And so to see his nails, those unusual Lee press on so they make all of the vampire characters wear wrap around the microphone. Obviously inside the show, they've got strange eyes as well. That's another indicator for us to be like here and inside of this, as you mentioned, this really fascinating He's a vampire, pretending to be a human, pretending to be a vampire, this sort of like performative vampirism charade. I think it's so interesting to start with this like undeniable indicator that like this is something inhuman is grabbing the microphone here. I loved it. Fantastic Um What do you think of the scars? like how do you think he looked? What do you think of the scars on his chest of everything we see here? What do you think I mean, obviously we had been exposed to this, you know, in the trailers, we got to see the first the release of the first images, the first glimpse at ican last summer when I got to like feel you quiver beside me a real time just fish. veryer, very meaningful experience. You know, he looks Unbelievable. It's like It takes Zero effort to convince yourself that The throngs would show up to like millions, not billions, but thousands. E hundred would fil that venue every night to just watch him and that when he you know crowd surfs, they would delight in touching him and that they would be so enraptured and swept up in the experience that they wouldn't notice as he levitates back on stage, which was a fun detail because of that like kind of like you know, collective delusion, even though a lot of the people there are there because they're true believers, right? Like who believes, who doesn't, who is easy to trick and deceive, who is even paying attention? That's like an interesting thing to ask about Um, people in that room just sort of like where we as a society more broadly It was interesting to think back to like Santiago and season two and You know, all of the things that they were doing on stage were real, but they were counting on the audience believing it was true. to be fool. Yeah. on our minds for many reasons and prestige, which I know you'll bring up later. that's just really fun as a commentary about like what people are like ready to receive and how. So I love that and. he just he looks believably like a rock star. Yeah. Also I mean, like the filmmaking and the sequence, when like the whole world flips upside down Uh, you know, so he's he's Crowd surfing, but like the whole vision is flipped the godli adoration, you know, his self proclamation that he is a go and you have this like, you know him prrice like, you know, sort of streted out on top of the adoring throngs here U Naturally I named the band after myself. So good. The scars on his chest, I think are really interesting because You know No mention of the scars on my chest either when he's talking to Daniel about sort of the accuracy of Louis's depiction We got a couple mentions here. Yeah, you kill some wolves and fall in love is a line. I killed a pack of wolves when I was immortal. I'll most likely tell you about that later as I let it define you for a time. It so funny. I let it define you for a time kill. It' so funny because that's making fun of the book. Like that's the show that loves the book, but is making fun of how often Louis thinks of himself as the wolf killer. But so here are these scars on his chest from this like a traumatic experience that happened when he was still mortal. And I just love that they're here. They' they're absent from Louis's depiction Perhaps because like, oops they forgot to put him on his chest in season one, but that just like becomes like a plotline. They're absent from the depiction. But it's this constant reminder that Lestat carries of his once pervious flesh, like his vulnerability is immortal U the first line of the book The Vampire of Stat is I am the Vampire of Stat, I am Immortal more or less. And so I just think H him walking around with this reminder of his vulnerability is an interesting part of that character. I love that and it's interesting to think like, did Louis not share that? Did Daniel not consider it worth mentioning? Right, Right? There' like a number of different potential explanations. I like your ide didnt. mayaybe they just didn't have the prosthetic scars startady to go. It's fun they can cover it. and they can cover why his hair looks different. You know, like they can just cover a bunch of stuff by saying like It was an unreliable narrator. You know where there's like, you know, a more deeply psychological reason to it. Then you see his you see Gabriella show up at the end. And you know, he's in tatters, right after the Fang gang u Fang fight wle stuff And you know, that sequence is a good reminder is that like vampires can be Yeah destroyed, right and killed And like so when he when we're like forced to confront the fact that he is in this really perilous state, then we see his face, it's all cut it's all swollen and like then she moves her God can be swiped, I guess, moves her moves her finger over his cheekbone and just heals it. And it's like yeah, so then the scars, you really, I think even if you don't have the context of the book, you understand that they must have come from a different a different time, which was yeah, all of the Wolf mentions throughout her Very dantal. You have with long face. Sitz Creek Sitz Creek's very own Noah Reid. Oh my God, this was Patrick himself, absolute thrill for me. as a real Sitz Creek lover, but a Patrick lover in particular. The second I saw him, Adam and I were talking about this last night because I was like, didid you cl immediately that it was Patrick? Because with the beard and had different hairstyle? It took me a minute, but there was like there's something so cherubic and recognizing about his sweet face. I was like Am I suddenly just like thinking of ina Turner for And there's a specific reason. You know, I'm thrilled that he's here. And I love the discussion you all had on the pod last week about filling the band with musicians. Musicians. Shout out the moment where we can see Savalamander, the bassist in the background of a shot just getting into a blow job in the middle of a crowded room. Yep, wonderful stuff. Also, when L stat charges across to the band for the first time, he's like more frequent showers. Yeah,eaby It's wonder so funny We meet Larry, Alex Salamander, who's a show creation, but is as I mentioned in that previous podcast, played by the littleiteral music supervisor of the show and TC Tough Cookie as the band Satan's Night O, Satan's Night Owl, Satan' Night Owl, who becomome the vampire listat U We get that and I talked about this on the previous podcast, we get that La Marcio's riff, the beginning of Longface, which I absolutely love, which made me think of Beatles, but also like, you know, of course L Stot French boy that he is is like We're gonna put L Masias at the beginning of our hit song L face. Does it suck? I don't know. Does it suck? What do you think? What do you think? Do it suck? I Thankk you for the feedback. Yeah so good. Yeah. so like eventually we will see in night two, Detroit, don't stay two nights in Detroit, but in night two, Detroit we will see, you know, like, ghost in the audience, essentially. But here we've got like more immediate threats. The camera crew is there. Two members of the fang gang Are there? T and Russ. Yeah. Did you think Russ looked a bit like Karis Wisher I see it.'t I didn't think that, but now you're saying it. loved it. And then the fan who's clutching Daniel's book is also in the audience here. R. And then Lot just lays out AMC's season three marketing plan, like beat for beat. Qot, We dropped songs on the streams and booked intimate venues to induce what Jen Snoos called FOMo. They came for Cosplay, they left converted. I baptized them, the beautiful Unwell, and yes can buy a beautiful unwell Baseball cap on MC store. Baseball cap. I like it. Makes me want some Tark Scooubble commentary while they're still in Detroit. maybe some though I would need them to move for. I definitely know exactly what you're referencing here. O of the best p the Yeah O of the best pictchures in baseball Currently a big topic of conversation is where will he get traded? Will it be a dreaded outcome for the rest of baseball fans The Dodgers or the Yankees.. Does anotheram have a chance of getting in there? Do the Oris want him They can use them. Not their year. No, it is. I think it is their year.'re. We've been doing well. We've been doing well. I mean, currently at the moment of this recording four games under five hundred, but only a game out in the wild card, folks. The American League is a mess. That even can still happen. been doing well the last couple weeks. It's all happening. U I just want to shout out the glitter on him. Great absolute shit, Edward Cullen Thank Ger Vamp. I don't care for Twilight and I care a lot about this glittery vampire Is that bloody preum on his pants as he like says I'm coming, I'm coming, I'm coming, I'm coming at the end thrusting. And then we Yeah this little like stain starts to spread on the front of his pants I think definitely. I think the fact that we cut back to it multiple times in a close crop made it undeniable just a deep and abiding appreciation for the show and the way that it's crafted. And bring it the other The visual effects department, the practical effffects department, the costume department I mean, that goes right into a little draining both ways. You'll have to guess who gets the fang and who gets the vodka bottle. And yes, it's a vodka bottle. So just a very dick ccentric stretch. for Listat. and Who are we to complain Um The documentary inside the Failures project reveals itself. as so as we're off stage, we're in the black and white view of the camera. And that's a fun cue for us is like we know now what's documentary footage, what's not with the black and white Right sort of handheld that we get in the hallway. And again, this is another like directing challenge because you're making the show and then inside the show, you're making this like documentary at the same time. Yes. It's a really fun way to include Daniel Milloy in the story because he's not in the book The Vampireless Dot. and they're also finding ways clearly to include Louis and Louis is not really in the Vampirelistot. So like I would not want to see him without Eric Bagosin and Jacob Anderson. So like incredibly smart. I think the documentary is taking the place not just of the Let'sop writing his own autobiography, which is what he does in the book, but also As part of his like launch as a rockstar career, he says to his lawyer Christine, like, fetch me the greatest filmmakers from around the world to shoot me some music videos for MTV. And it's just sort of like that's not really TRL's not really happened. not that it was in the eighties, but like, you know, we're not really like a music video unless you're Taylor Swift, really or a few other Sabrina Carpenter, like we're not really in like a music video centric time in our in our musical careers, I think Spotify streams. And The Swedes did not ask me to say that Speaking of it, Christine's here. Welcome to the show, Lwyer, Christine. What what did you think of her? Ver intriguing and tantalizing introduction. Yeah The Corvllas paperwork exchange Um 's just an amazing Dick Pills line Lasatte has that moment where he's like, shouldt managed I just like go up and fuck her. like this is a number of little nuggets throughout the episode that she's kind of like a ground and tangential figure throughout the episode, but in a way where I think you're like, okay, a person who is in the room for this many meaningful moments is going to have a larger role to play. I presume. So I'm intrigued Who knows he's a vampire and who doesn't know that he's a vampire, right? Because like the band doesn't know until the end of the episode that he's actually a vampire, But Christine certainly seems like she knows. And I think it's interesting like his entourage here We have lawyer Christine We have Dharma, who is a show invented character, but really fun, especially when she's doing her affirmations facing the wall at the end of the episode. Incredible. And doror Farid, who we met in season one is here as part of the entourage Um, amongst some other people who are taking various showers inside of the tour bus and stuff like that. But I think it's really fun to have this entrage around the band and these various characters to flesh out the world here. I also love the phrase he uses here when he talks about the documentary. he says bootless errand, which is not a phrase that I was aware of, but is a is a great beautiful evocative phrase. And I just love discovering. new language. S. It's great. and even like One of the things I love about the show, you have the capacity to discover new, beautiful phrases great. Also, you can hear a phrase that you've heard a thousand times. like could sound like the first time you've heard it like when sat in this safe stretch is like I've seen a rough cut of the documentary, truthful and daring. It just about the way he said it was so specificallyadian. I just was great it was great Oh Oh o, and this is also where he says Maybe this is why this is set in twenty twenty five. to go back to your prior prompt specifically so that It had to be a contemporary story so that we could hear him say Red Redit Red. I think our I think I think an ongoing you know section we should do in these recaps is like L Stat pronunciation corner because Radit is so good. incredible. But nothing tops L Lemo for me. Yeah L Lemo was really funny, but like Radit was very good. Radit was on This is where we meet Yarda Klaopet who is a show invented character, The double good. Lisat, wereere you also thinking about the prerestigee when we met him? Yeah, in part because of the like you take one of the most handsome people alive and you just make them look kind of astonishingly like dooy. Yeah. L so he's a little off with the teeth and then like also just the first glimpse and then you know, Chrie's like You forgot a contact. Yeah something looks like really uncanny about his face. His hair is different. We get the line for the narration. This' another way for Lat to prop himself up, right? Like he's three inches shorter, you know. It's all it's all very good. But then that question of just like, well, okay, so he they're sending him out so that he can be photographed. Th those photographs will then be uploaded to Redit But It is to provide cover so that L stat can be a vampire go suck people dry and kill legions and be undetected. But like will there be a more specific reason to have that character in the show? And I mentioned how his nights go. Yeah, as I mentioned, it's not a book character. So like there are already some fun, which we can talk about in this butother section. There are already some fun theories about what why they came up with this guy and what he's doing here. And I think the show is always thinking which I really admire about it in the long term. So Like passing someone like Justin Kirk to play Raglind James who like shows up for like two scenes in season two and like one scene thus far this season, but like is a character that matters. And so they're like, we want to cast Justin and Kirk as that character in the hopes that we get to point in the story where it matters that Justin Kirk is playing that character. and like for For someone like Listat seeding in all of his like musical stuff in the earlier seasons when we see him like playing the piano, playing like the New Orleans jazz in season one or his like opera music critique in season, you know, like he is this like when he freaks out about the The A total knows that he's hearing from S's Night out across the street. They're lucky he didn't kill them because he killed people who displeased him musically in season one. So I just like that they're always planting these seeds because they have the shape of the full narrative and they're like Let's not cause problems for ourselves down the road.. And so like this to me, I think If if the fan theories are right. is an elegant solution for something coming down the road, but we'll talk about that The Contessa versus the useful idiot. Contessa was historic. That was so good. So so so good. Daniel is The fucking best. Oh my. Eric Gosin so good. And how do you feel about Vampire Daniel versus human Daniel? Like what differences are you seeing? and like what are you enjoying here U Part of what I love about Daniel in this form is that he feels completely the same to me in a way that It feels exactly right. likeike you get always such a Um, And always found a way to position himself even when in the room with a vampire who could destroy him at a moment's notice, even when he was facing his like health challenges, right? E when he's like, okay, you brought my laptop. Part of and I like really liked the phone call between as if you recall, I was like urn the lap Yeah. It's just, you know, the fact that like Daniel is a character who always think he's the smartesty in the room and can it's like this guy was made to be a vampire. He was made to navigate life in this superior fashion. I really liked, you know, the exchanges where L Stott has that like moment where he's basically like, you know, when you finish like working through your transformational trauma, Dania's like, I don't have any and I believe both either neeither all like that he's full of shit. and of course he does because how could you not? And part of the way he navigates life is to say, I'm good, dude, like focus on your own shit and then he's going through his version of that. And of course, when we got to see like his um his flashbacks and his trauma like realize what, you know, horrible things he had suffered through We learned a lot about Daniele on season two through that lens I also believe that Daniel is like, I'm fine And I have no trouble adapting to this new life because it's the life I was always med to live and for decades have maybe wanted to live. Just great. Just a treat. I love your point about like the fact that, you know, he spent so much time masking like his MS symptoms, you know what I mean? justust sort of like hiding that he was going through this like painful health crisis Um sets him up for someone too high these things that are going he's going through. But like if you think about someone like Claudia O even Louis, this idea of like The first The first few years of being a vampire, very hard. You know, emotionally tumultuous, among other things. And so ye he's out there giving interviews, you know, on the like nightly news. And we saw at the end of season two how well that was going. Not great Um, Del I do want to read this passion from the book because I think what's so interesting about this idea that like We'll talk about this more when we do our Disclosure day pod, but I think this description of how people reacted to a book purporting that vampires are real felt so accurate to me. I just sort of like they looked down their phones and said, huh, and kept scrolling. God will not be swiped. But like you know, I was just sort of like, yeah, you know, that's kind of because didn't the government say there were UFOs like two years ago when we were all kind of like, huh Interesting. It's like out going I feel like that happened. U, so anyway This is this idea that Lot that you know, in Anne Rice's version, the book comes out and people think it's fiction, right But it's an opportunity that Lestatte sees that Louis has presented him with to like sort of like come out in a certain way, like come out of the shadows, right? Yeah. So this is the quote from the book. And it didn't matter they didn't believe it. It didn't matter that they thought it was art. The fact that after two centuries of concealment, I was visible to mortals. I spoke my name aloud. I told my nature I was there. But again, I was going further than Louis, his story for all its peculiarities pass for fiction. In the mortal world, it was safe as the tableau of the old Tre de Vamppierre in Paris, where the fiends had pretended to be actors pretending to be fiends on a remote and gas lted stage. I step into the solar lights before the cameras. I'd reach out and touch with my icy fingers, a thousand warm and grasping hands. I'd scare the hell out of them if it was possible and charm them and lead them into the truth of it if I could. It's interesting because in the book Listott is like upset with Louis, of course, Obset with the depiction of the book.ure. But he's also like but also excited about the opportunity this presents for him to like live his more authentically true self To a degree, he's still performing vampirism, but it's it feels closer to him and anything he's been able to do before to be his authentic self and flout the fourth law of vampirism. What do you think about this H I'm interested in this, like the idea that this would be kind of a constant push pull and a struggle, you know that you would want to be able to live like openly, freely Yes, obviously, of course, makes sense and is a very like potent commentary for various people in navigating circumstances in life in different moments in time. I think also the idea that people who are inside of your community being the ones to say to you like you shouldn't do this. Like I liked the moment when Plus that was like, it's twenty twenty five You know? Like if we can't like live freely and open who we are yeah, what are we doing? And so of course that also felt like a reason to say like, you know to have the MAGa reference where like there is so much progress in society and like a real progressive embrace of like identity. and then that is surrounded with people who want to like tell you not to be who you are, which of course is like horrible and deeply lamentable. So List Stat is a character who is navigating his version of that, feels like really appropriate. I You know, I think also just in more even just like a more kind of core level, like you're not going to tell me what to do in any respect. You're not going to tell me what to do. J just feels like a cent strand of DNA. partart of why I'm really interested in his mother answering the story like what is that dynamic? But then if we think and you know, we have this throughline of these these and I like you defeinitely thought it was Louis. I had a voice in my head that was like Do they want us to think it's Louis We see this iPad fight with Louis and that was in the past and then he's going out to do this thing and kind of like craft his own story in A moment in time where Louis's narrative is really dominant. Would they be texting? Would they like be on a break? You know, maybe it's not, but I was like it's probably Louis, like that kind of yoyoing back to each other feels like their relationship But then there was that moment We're like because we you the common technique of like popping the text bubbles on the screen, right? But then there's one stretch where we're looking at his phone screen. First of all, that treated us to the incredible like let me find exactly what it was. And you are far from the Ths of Man and then his reply is New Jersey No, no, it's just incredible stuff So a message he doesn't send is, it's been too long, I need you. I'm struggling. And he deletes the I'm struggling part. It was very Shane Hollander of him.Q White. But so the idea that like Part of Lest Stat's relationship to the world and the people around him is to say, I am undeniable And like you will regard me. And then part of it is like, I have to delete this text because just like everybody else, mortal immortal, whatever. like ask for help. I don't know how to ask for help and I don't always even know when I need it. and sometimes I do know I need it, but I don't know how to find it. And so like this all just feels like very kind of potently entwined I love that. Yeah, I mean, obviously they're trying to like lead us down that road because the texting is happening when Daniel's like, have you heard from Louis? you know? And so of course're we're meant to be like, Ohh, he's hearing from Louis right now, but he's not telling Daniel and And Daniel you won't reply to my text. He doesn't engagage even with my telepathy. But that's interesting too It's like is Louis because This moment in time you'd be inclined to think La Statte maybe doesn't want to talk to Louis And Louis would be like, I'm sorry. R. But if Louis's not answering Daniel Well, because you just like you weren't supposed to publish this. I b the laptop for a reason. And like your apology is not sufficient. so they're all just kind of mad at each other because of the book or is there something else? beyond drama? Delicious U Daniel, as you say, same as it ever was, like still employing some of the same journalistic techniques, like the repetition of questions.es. Did you eat the baby? Did you eat the baby? Did you eat the baby? Here we get the rule of three we get, Did you stutter as a child? Th times in this episode It's funny the second time and then it's really funny the third time as like a sort of to a bunch of vampire's heads off their bodies, like did you stutter as a child, you know? Well, and I think especially because Lestatte is he really prides himself on being the one to like kind of He's the puppet master in any conversation. L the Joey Chestnut moment in that like exchange is very emblematic of like, no, I'm going to disarm you not the other way around. But when Daniel first asked the Did you Sutter question We can see and Daniel can see and C it hit. So then of course he's going to keep poking that wound because he knows the wound is there. Yeah. As always, I have notes on Daniel's journalistic practices, but I know he's observant. He's observant. And he's like This is like his version of the hunt. He's on the hunt for blood and the blood is like your emotional truth. and he will find it and suck you dry. The what do you think of the type? So like the frame narrative of the failures, you know, the narration that we're listening to. Yeah. Um We get this sort of like reminder of it constantly of like you're listening to, you, dis two, side B of the failures. The voice here is Canadian filmmaker Guy Madd, I don't know why. I'd be curious why they picked that voice. He's credited as the voice of failure. But what do you think of this like intermittent interjection or reminder? Oh You know, we're not cutting back to Louis and Armon in there, you know, in Dubai.. But we are getting these constant reminders that the story we're watching is a story we're being Is that useful to you or how do you feel or does it feel distracting? How do you feel about it? I didn't think it was distracting. Yeah, I think it kind of connects to what we were talking about earlier just about the nonlinear nature and whose account we're hearing and where are we in time and even that like opening note of we begin in the middle. Just like we're not on solid ground and we don't have sure footing. The thing that we have is a reminder that we don't have sure footing of itss own anchor. Activive yeah, is a way to just say like, all right, we're the wet clothes too. L we're spinning two, you know, whichich I like. We are the wet clothes too Sorry, Montreal, I am He is me. Yeah, this was amazing. I just want to know. so one thing on Lestatte's apartment here, among other Gorgeous. Prints. Yeah, absolutely gorgeous ammong other pieces of art around He's got a print are the real thing, Wh's to say? it looks too small to be the real thing actually. off Marguerite's The Lovers, which is a very famous painting of two people with sort of like sheets wrapped around their face and they're like kissing each other, but their face is like shrouded in these sheets. And it depicts like sort of this inability to actually like connect with someone, right? Like what are the things, what are the barriers between people as they strive for intimacy? And And it made me think of this later when Baby Jenks is on the ceiling A normal sentence I just said Why are you so sad? Thousands of fans loving you. I want millions And that'll top off that heart of yours. Billions. thenen why you always got to make it so hard for someone to give it to you, right? This is Leestot's problem is like how much he wants intimacy but how much he's just sort wrapped up in that sheet anyway and can't actually connect with people. And isn't this just the experience of being alive, folks? That undead we're alive or undead. Real like Chuck in the Pie maker vibes, and you know what you're doing. S Sanrap Yeah. But Magrit did it first. I want a version of the famous painting That is pushing Daisyiess. F get have an internet. have you have your task Lastat says he's eating trustund babies, fucking trust fund babies, which is which is very different. The Lastat we meet in the Ann Rice book. I don't need to read this passage, but like he has adopted a deexter esque a serial killer who only kills serial killers' ways where he's like, I'm only eating evil people I'm only eating bad people. I'm on the hunt for people who've done evil things and are unrepented about it and that's why I'm eating. Is the Listot? that is not no no, no. There's no indication that that is how this version of Listot is moving through the world, which I think is interesting. Good eating from Louis on the iPad. Wonderful. Also the just like bringing Louis in via iPad here so that he can listen to the tune before he gets one of the nicest a balloon and then the balloons' popping on Wonderful. Who among us has not been like entrapped by an iPhone, like Who has not accidentally given a thumbs up or like a meaning when you did not mean to give your thumbs up? or you write huge and the phone's like, huge. Is that one happens to me a lot. I know. What's. someone was just like dramatic You know U We get the bookstource scam, which is amazing, which they released before the season started I'm pretty sure that the bookseller here, the book clerk here is Wh's talked about how much she loves Armand is a reference to a fan who posted like a very viral TikTok about going to the Louvre and skipping right past the Mona Lisa to go see Armand's painting at the Louvre And I just think it's a really sweet tribute to a fan to sort of write them into the show. I think it's really sweet. I love it. Real Deborah, Ava, like, are we sure the Mona Lisa is good Hx finale stuff there as well Aaxonale Very emotional. veryy good. Very emotional. Yeah. I'm sad that show's over. It's nice when a show can like end and say the thing it wants to say at the end. Beautiful stuff. onn the bookstar scene I've told you before in our Gift swap pods that my husband Adam, who has read these books, unlike yours truly thinks that the show is like one of the which he and now Asasha need're both watched it because he just thinks it's like one of the best things on TV and adores it I like almost had to pause the episode to be like, you are you okay? Like, do you need a minute Ean? Do you want to become a member? No, thank you so How much is thisirac. I don't like you Great stuff. No, yeah, he's in full tantromote. Like from the moment he finds out the do. You know All through this Montreal sequence. Non is safe. booksellers, the tricker traders who show up as characters from interterview with a vampire, the like your camera's not period accurate to the little Louis there. So allergies are delusional to. Yeah to the little vampire Armand. The Armand through line like the books the booksellers talking about how Armand is so much more interesting and wonderful to the tricker traders. Yeah the tattoo than the family at the end, it's like constantly being surrounded by people who are like the person you resent is like My true north and I think you're the The way way first thoughtot was like In the midst of this fight, holding his ownzone or fucking up or whatever, but like feeling a certain kind of way about it. And then as soon as he sees that tattoo, he's just like, are you fucking kidding me Thisound unbelievable Let we get the let' start ranting as you already mentioned, like as he's going through the book. Is this what it looks like when you go through your text? Do you also use multiple highlighter colors and tabs and underlines as you anitize? I do like to highlight, you know lines when I'm reading for pod, perhaps specifically, and also just for pleasure. I like to mark a passage cololor coding I sa for podPp documents. That's for the Google A access the spreadsheets. Pigious. I do love a call at that. You're doing a rewrite. So good. Great stuff Lilo not Harlequin is a reference to the role of Sott was playing on a very significant night in the past. We saw him as a Harlequan in our mom's recollection, but I love the fact that our mom is like, he was playing a harlequan and like Listat is so offended that he got that so wrong U Mallory as an editor. how do you feel about Daniel's master? We get a snippet of Daniel Malllloy's masterclass. and he says, your editor is your priest. How do you feel about that? Do you your sources are your sharpest which All of these things are true, but I don't think Daniel believes them No. Daniel MillLoy has never once taken a note from an editor. I feel sure. I feel sure. In the Google Docs era, Daniel is like the hits a instead of chack on the track. A track just rejects every single change all the time. I feel sure. I agree with you Um The fact that, I mean, I love the I love when he breaks in, you already mentioned breaking into Play the guitar over Larry's attempt to play the guitar. He plays the note that he thinks he should be playing snaps the car, but but then says, I'll replace it in the morning. He'll get replace it in the morning. But the vision of and this actually made me think of Giles The vision of The vampireess stat. Ftching a bowl of trick or treat candy, The vampire Lad. Incredible. I thought of the Giles candy bl too Did he go to the CVS himself and pick out this assortment is a pretty good assortment of candy Yeah and And I mean that like Listot is going to be rude to children.'ll take one Yeah, but he did buy the candy and he did answer the doorm when they came talking. Incredible like response to first seeing them. like hello. Yeah so good. The peanut allergy kid, so we you know, it could be any number of things. it could be sickers, it could be peanut M and M's. L looked like there were some peanut M and MM's, mini packs in there But the kid is like, I'll take a mound. Now as you know Mounds, one of my favorite Halloween candy So I was like This guy gets it aboutasad. Then he screamed at the children and told them theirergies weren't real and I was like, I have some notes, but purchasing the mounds No, I think you got the top tier candy. saw some Reesey's product in there. like He was really doing it. Great stuff. The hotel's called the Dracula's daught And they carry vampons. Vampons Incredible Oh my God, soak up your dark gift with vampons Is that your tagline? Yeah. What's yours? I love it Oh God. Drain the tension away with their hearts. My vampons And U, man Let's start. Okay. so We get this like That's why these movie producers hired you Danen Malloy, a Vampire sllayer. They said you requested me. Who are these movie producers? Who is making this movie? Why are they making this documentary It wasn't Daniel's idea Whose idea was it? Was it is it Lestat's idea and he's sort of like moving from behind the scenes or like is the Tlele Mosca making a documentary? like who are you doing this Who's the they? So Inside this episode, I think we're like meant to believe that Lestat is trying to engineer all of this so that he can get his He can commit to the record his account and he can add his direct one through his songs and then the one that Daniel has like added this extra degree of credibility to Liner notes. Liner notes wouldould be really interesting if it was Tal Maskar or some other body that was seeking some level of control. And like, you know, one of the things, obviously we have the Fangang, we have the Justin Kirk's character is here, obbviously Daniel's here. We have various figures, even just in the auction, the line of like, you know This this note about discretion And the imp weren't here and And like whichever organization you represent, this kind of little moment to remind us there might be all these other like figures and shadowy bodies. So all sorts of possibilities, but like I liked that there was the return of the the kind of like structural apparatus of the hearing the different voices, you know, who are saying like the fourth law and all of this and he's not even like writing about us. he's writing about himself, which we got a very memorable and I like kind of instantly onic version of it in the season two finale with Lomoing to him leaning forward I was like, my God' like come get me. incredible. also for Lestat for us to get the version of it there. it's like just these reminders that there are all these other forces out there who have the thing that they either want or they want to protect a preserve and shield. So there could be any number of answers at this point There's also when baby Junx is on the ceiling Yes. She's like they're coming. Yes. And I don't know, first of all, I don't know if that baby Jenks is meant to be like Real in some way How prophetic are the prophecies here when she's talking about he'll die, he'll die, he'll die bad. Like don't don't I don't know. if that's if we're meant to take that as law.ight. Becauseuse like it's like a hallucination or is it actually Baby Jks? But what the fuck does Baby Jankks know, you know at the end of the day? And then when she says they're coming, does she mean the Fang gang or does she mean some other they? R? You know? Right. She's got that interesting tattoo on the back of her neck. Yeah, the line about like, I'm getting married, but I'll never forget you and this like and he has the honey trarap line. So there's yeah, what does she know is she connected to? Yeah, think think she's What I've determined after watching the episode a couple of times. I you know, there's clues from the books and whatever, but but this is that that character does in the book at all, the Baby Jank's character who's fourteen in the books and they aged her up, but like becausecause um that she's there and she takes all those drugs intentionally so that Lestotte will bite her so that Lestotte will be incapacitated on drugs so that the Fang gang can fuck him up.. So when he says honey trapping baby Jes, Yeah, that's what he means that she was there to like Drug him by proxy. Yeah Um Theracul's daughter Y The home of vampons I can just see it. You know theres like I mean, especially when you're in LA hotel, the like weird offerings they have at the mini at the like mini bar Yeah whereere they're like Here's ive kinds of lube. Yeah. well, I mean or Vegas. Oh I've never been to a Vegas hotel Okay. Well, you could either go to a Vegas hotel or I could just send you an incredibly memorable clip from the most recent season of Drive to Survive as part of my ongoing pursuit to get you to watch Drive to Svive. How George Russell? I mean, not well because you've yet to watch a single second of it. But I did text you about Lewis Hamilton's dating. You did. so Another podium for Lewis this weekend he finished second great stuff. Kimmy won again, five wins in a row for Kimmy Mercedes is running away with it Another DNF forrlando. sometometimes for Papaya Hive and every F one fan is not a Mercedes fan very tough, but there's a great drive to survive scene where George Russell and Toda Wolf the incredibly accomplished and handandsome am principal of Mercedes are discussing the intimacy kids. offfferings at Vacas hotels. fantastic. Great stuff U Let's not here at the Dacul the Sid is playing Sadboy guitar.es and still texting his mom who is also his lover and also his fledgling Um As we hear those international voices sort of behind him The they're talking about Listad's need for the limelight and how this breaks the fourth grade great law. We already got this from Armon in season two because when Armon was talking about first meaningless dot and seeing him play the Harlelickan in the theater And our mom's like Bal has like a massive boner filillistat and think he's the hottest ever. and it's also like, what the fuck? we Amon at that point was like living grubby in the shadows. And he's like, what are you doing up here on stage And this is a quote from that season two episode. The fourth of our Great Laws was writ, No vampire shall ever relieve his true nature, reveal his true nature to a mortal and let that mortal live And here he was. Prancing and peting in front of five hundred mortals a night, like some patronized, tarted up dervish, using the dark gift for what? His fantasy his vanity, it was heresy. So That's to say like Lisot's stage career, you know at that point in history and his stage career now same as it ever was to a certain degree. that sort of like longing for affirmation and adulation. and he will break whatever vampire law he needs to to get there Yeah Is this a supernatural blackout? What do you think So the text we get about this is the Rture has descended upon Detroit. seemeems reasonable to assume that there is some vampiric cause behind this or connection to this, especially given like I the fanging Go the regionals. Tim and Ross, the regionals was hysterical, Really funny real like top tier diminishment from us out there. you know, I'm international. I'm global. Yeah You're regional regional tough try to make a name for themselves out of their way to like line the local geography and like, you know, you want to see a real vampire Mar and come to this town and we've got our feeding farm undereneath the floorboards and just this sense of likeood is. But then of course, the stat is moving also just loved in the text, his descriptions of where he was using European cities that have American C yeah, Re great.. But yeah, it seems like there's a supernatural Cuse to this, right? mustust be Stay tuned to find out. Okay Detroit Night too Grish We still' stop playing the violin. This is a key aspect of his musical journey. if you remember from season two And he talks about, I think he talks about Niki in season one, but Nikki who is like his first Paramore, who we met in the flashbacks in seeason two, our mom sort of like kidnapped him from the street and then they like, took him to his creepy little den and they all fed on him and stuff like that Nickki is Lestot's like first love and he was a violin player. He died, as they talk about in season two U and L'ot teaches himself violin tribute to Nicki or whatever, but like him playing the violin is a key part of it would be ridiculous to have Listott the rock star and not have him play the violin. And I just think I love the way that Daniel Hart has incorporated it into this song and hopefully some of the other songs Um you sound like the police song d doo d d d da d da. Yeah. This is what I say to you, okay. Listot would be the first to admit that that was an inspiration here stuff. we have this breakdown. like what did you make of this breakdown that happens before the drug blood? Like what we get we get a description, which I can read or not, but like There is no calm for this in the book, so I can't really explain it. So, what was your impression of what was going on that Other than his like tambourine based frustrations at Larry. What's going on that Listot has this? Pck up the tambourine. Breakthrough a moment. I did not totally understand what was Yeah going on here. I think that, you know, the way that the embrace at the end because he's seeing, you know his various muses as he calls some of these key loves and figures and people who he' had a connection toross across time and lost across time and the like My music wrapped itself around me like a jungle snake constricting its prey and a lifetime of blood bartering overwhelmed the temporal lobe. Muses appeared in my mind and then the now around me, memories taking their turn, blood in blood out haammering away at the performative vampire persona had welded into armor. The armor cracked. We love a wear it like armor kind of thing. Great. L Vage buckled. The bonafide vampire emerged center stage. It was I who had been adequate. It was I who had been holding us back and now exposed to the raw under the white hot lightights, my bandmates began to feed. And that sound I had been grinding them for finally unleashed a euphoric grotiness spilling into the crowd, into their bodies enveloping the venue. I did not understand what caused that I thought that the sentiment expxpressed was really interesting but I didn't quite understand what the trigger Me neither. wasas in this like work about b over like who gets this solo and then he kind of falls to his knees and is in this like state. this yeah, didn't I wasn't totally following that I was reminded of when Louis is turned in season one episode one And this is how he describes it. The blood it came as a dull roar at first, and then a pounding, like the pounding of a drum growing louder and louder to some enormous creature was coming through a dark and alien forest, a huge drum. And so when it was like the jungle snake wrapped itself around me, I was thinking about that like alien forest line, but I don't have a great explanation for what's going on here. I'm not mad about it. I just don't really fully understand it. But this idea of like he gets these flashes, right? We see Louis as we first met him in the audience, you know, like Louis season one in the audience. We get flashes of things scenes we'll surely see in more depth As the show goes on, but we see characters like Magnus, who is his creator or Niki or Gabriella, et cetera, his mom, etcetera, his lover, his pledgy For the Listat in the book, this was like sort of a stated intention for why he was doing this music tour in the first place and why he was writing this book is I wanted my band and my book to draw out not only Louis, but all the other demons that I had ever known and loved. I wanted to find my lost ones awwaken those who slept as I had slept, fledglings and ancient ones, beautiful and evil and mad and heartless. They'd all come after me when they saw those video clips and heard those records, when they saw the book in the windows of the bookstores, and they know exactly where to find me. So that version of the stot is intentionally drawing out who's out there there. U ghost in his memory or physical actual ancient vampires who might be sleeping around the world. What can his music woke him up? What can his music wake up as he goes forward? Well, I guess there's like a little bit of that I mean, there is a version of reading this where it's like Lestat is just as big of a Patrick from Shitz Creek fan as we are. like, you know, and they like I have never thought of that Tina Turner song the same way again. Ile them. Your portrayal of the MC and Cabaret changed my life. Who will love us, you know The idea that he's been saying to Larry ick up his hambmering put down the guitar, let me shine. And then because Larry has like stubbornly in a very Lastottesque way refused and he's like, this is my moment. I will Larry's like I used to be the front manan of the band. Yeah by the way. And Lestot knows that and has like remarked many times throughout the episode on his jealousy, right? Like that he wants to strangle him, like the way he wants to strangle he' choking the neck in the guitar and he wishes that it were his neck The idea that he kind of like has to for a second very organically stop resisting and just sort of succumb And then iss like swept up in the power of not just the music, but the way that the crowd who has assembled is actually swept up in it too. I don't if the band Yeah the rendering like totally captured that, but I think that idea trracks. Yeah, I love that U Honey trap and baby Jinks We've already talked about anything else you want to say about this like Odosing, baby Jinks on the ceiling, trainspotting, baby a moment that we get inside of this episode. This was just all really entertaining and good. You know, the close up of the cocktail, the drug cocktail tabs on her on her tongue. obbviously we get a number of like incredible lines from Lestat describing this cocktail blend inside of his blood after. I particularly liked the callback to like But when he's basically like, you know, yeah, a vampire of my stature should be like a little bit more on on guard for the blood poisoning stuff, but like I have followen I have told me once Yeah told me once was was so great. I lik when he goes in and goes into the locker room or the lockerom, the dressing room Who's Oded Oh man. It's really good. D to be clear, when Danel walks in, he sees Dee snorting Coke. Yes. Dee's role and Roland Jones has said this about the role she plays in the band She's either the social media manager Yeah The way they get their drugs. So essentially, Daniel Woson sees her snorting cocaine and then he we see later that he has bitten her. So like that's how he can have some cocaine is by biting drinking her blood that's full of cocaine. So that is a role that Dharma fulfills inside of the entourage. So she certainly seems to know that vampires are real. Yes. And Christine does. So it's really just like and the door, doctor Freid certainly does. So it seems to be just the band that is in for a bit of an waking at the end of the episode Itounds like maybe they should have noticed too. Well, In the book, he like tells them and they're like, that's hilarious. You think you're the vampire list at We get it, dude, you're a vampire. And then they're like, oh, you're actually a vampire. Wow, wow, wow Um, But yeah, Dee and Daniel just being like raising their hands was really funny. The overdosing profound things she says to him on the ceiling But yeah, there's just like comedy wrapped inside of like incisive psychological commentary and wrapped inside of like a prophecyes of death. Yes. This is some great fantasy television shit. looved it Imortal properties. So yeah The event, the part of that takes place at the hotel that leads up to the Fanggang fight the at Dracula's daughter. Yes. There's a step and repeat that the band and then eventually List out in his pink silk blouse and pink Corset giving them the pussy cat is what he says it which is is the paps my pussy cat iconic. Incredible Are you gonna say that next time someone makes you I on possible moditers step on a seven repeat? I hate a seven repeat. But we have' been talk about purchasing some suits too, so's. Okay, when we get our like, not my color, Our full souk lam. I pull it off. The pink silk, I don't think so. Definitely. The second repeat, it says Dracula's daught is name of the hotel, and then it says immortal properties. And this is not a book thing, so I don't know what this is, but it feels like something You know, what are the they? Oh yeah, I like it. Right. And who is who is that just a cover for another thing What are you more excited to track throughout the season immortal properties or vampon usage? Vampon usage or Wigwatch TM with Johanna Robinson TN for Babylist stot Wakewalk is gonna to be a little tough this season. I love you show. I love this show more than any other show. have some big questions. Oh God. You mentioned that druglines, the drug line that I loveved the most was when he says MDMA and LSD, the Torval and Dean of hallucinenics, Torval and Dean are British ice skating duo from the nineteen eighties. and it's just like a very specific like I word searched it in the book just in case it was like something that he talks about in the book that's set in the nineteen eighties, but it's not. It's just sort of like the writers are really funny Torvalin Dean of hallucinogenic, fantastic. Incredible U Daniels still trying to get his. What did you make of the scalpel conversation? Baby J's calling us out the sccpel? He's like put on the t shirts. veryary Mallory Ribin put it on the merch. She's just not just like us. Yeah Does he actually have merch unlike us? You've already said that the answer to the question is yes. He does have merch. I did buy a t shirt. Oh, it's delightful. Maybe I'll buy one too. You know, I love merch Um, I liked this description and I felt fitting that he embraced that description because there's like part of the scalpel is, you know, I feel equipped to say this as somebody who had never seen a second VR, but has watched two seasons of the pit. Yeah. Precision. right. prerecision, kind the deliberate intentional cut But I think also thats that's how L Stat is embracing and positioning the label. I think obviously like when you hear it as a viewer in the show, it's what I see in my mind's eye is just like a knife a carnage, like a knife damage through Yeah and all the damage that you can do. So it feels like another version of this like, well, wait, how are we seeing ourselves? Who are we telling people we are? What do they see, et cetera. But put it on the merch It's just great stuff. Also like when Baby Jink Is this just real like baby Jank's poet stuff He has the heart in his mouth and he's like, Do you want to fuck She l was like, ye bit That's so good. V very band aid of her, I think. But like I think that Also just like the way that like And the writing of the show just You know, scratches some itch inside of my brain that I love so much. Like when we get the whole eco urinal thing And learning about vampire Uh, you know, anatomy and how like the blood urine and he's like never told you about that. didid he? analst ourself yet. But he's like, we chardonnay it and all three vampires had their glass of Chardonnay ready to like throw it. I don't You know, Hobbits Drag isjmail. com Why Chardonnay, cousin? Like why is that the got to rewatch sideways. see what notes are in there to apply to this lesson. Per are. Yeah. So like the Chardonnay, but so like When he says What would the scalpel do between this that and basically it's like fuck some people in the oven, but like in the in the oven in the elevator, but like You can also fuck people in an oven. He would if referring to himself as the scalpel immediately. He's like adopted this branding. And then he's like, I'll Chardonnay these regionals. You know what I mean? Like the way that he's just like picking up The specific language of the scene that he ising in his drug induced is careing through is just fantastic. The cuts that we get in this drug, you know, like he's dancing in the club and he's sort of like shakes his head down and shakes it back up and he's on stage and then shakes it down again and he's in the club or when he's like spinning, there's like Baby Janks, but there's also Louis and his like I just poisoned you you know, New Orleans wig and stuff like that. So just sort of like those glitches in time and glitches in place were just really fun for me In terms that like self edit on the failures vinyl, Yes Editorial wags of an insane person, note to self edit that out in the final version So what do you make of that? L what do you make of this is not the final version of the fit? L? Someone forgot to take out. And then why would Listat He certainly said plenty of other insulting things about Louis like a depiction of him. So why would editorial wags an insane person be beyond the pale and not want to make it into the mix there, you know? I I I mean it's funny. hysterical. I read that as even Lot clock that that was he was telling on himself Like it's too it's he's describing himself. And so it's too uncomfortable. Like you don't want to give your audience a reason to think that about you. right. Soed these are the editorial actags of an insane person. It's like anyone hearing him say that going say that's what you're being. the editorial actags of an insane person. I do think the fact that notote to sef edit that out in the final version that it is in there, as you noted That gets the theory brain going of like, w. Does that mean did he just forget? Did he forget? Is he not around to edit it out? Interesting In the lead upp to his scrap with the Reionals, Listat mentions the queen's blood a few times. Yeah. And then later he says, IMF International Monetary Fund. IMF freezing your accounts because you have the blood of a patretal queen inside of you I don't think this is spoilers say because he's talked about this in season two He says to Arman and Louis, I have the blood of Magnus and me, that's his maker, Magnus Burned I have the blood of akasha in me And in reference to Harmani says, he doesn't know who that is. But we do that's the quQeen of the damn. Akasha, the quQueen of the damned right? The name of the second book. And so when he says, I have the blood of the quueen inside of him, he's talking about Akasha. right who has been tricidal. and is in the show. Yes, has been cast in the show. Yes, exciting. xcit Hmm,kasha. All right, what' a Queen's Blood does we can all find out together, but uh, you know. He has it inside of him. All right, after party on the asshole floor. So good. You mentioned this incredibly random line that Christine gets, but I just love it.m so I'm scoring Dick pills in Mogadishu for a UN peacekeeper when inwalk Stuart Copeland of police fame, wearing a Korean mouthful of ammo Christine, you icon, I want to hear all of her stories. Incredible woman. Hue. I love that line. And it's just like a random throwaway line that they wrote for Christine. I think it's I love this show. It's all so good. Will we get like a Theater of the Abssurd Rosencrantston and Gildenstern are dead? like Christine accounting Christine's POV of an episode? I would love that. That would be amazing. I would love that Hierarchy of vampiric pleasure from Lestat historic. murder, then draining, then the the peti coup, the little sa. Then fucking baby Jankes D and a Bellman in the elevator. Thats that's the hierarchy Do you think Lastach should put immortal erection on the merch as well as the scalpel? Talk about merch I would buy. Yeah. M not immortal erection I have an immortal life and I carry with it an immortal erection and I am not ashamed of it. sex is fun, like the fun I sing about w. It's the extra beat. It just sealed it. it's so, so so, so good. Does that song suck put you back on it out does suck. I have some residuals coming in actually. inccredible. And like this was a really this was great because the description is like you're just like you just feel yourself smiling as you watch this and listen to it. The cuts to the elevator sex scene and then like There's like a subliminal weird cut There's a cut to the vodka bottle. Yes. There's and there's a lot about it that seems like rilling and very sexy. and then there's a laugh that seems really tiring. and then later he's like my sex legs. L I cant like the bangang. I'm like, yeah, that looked exhausting. F I know you pushed all the buttons, but there wass like a lot going on. It's just all very great. But another way to say, you know, like Louis, when he's talking about Louis like this around vampire sex, didn't it? You know, this like, well, what are you gonna get from me that you didn't get from him? You got the urinal sequence, now this And then carnal pleasure is essential to a vampire' survival if only to keep time's baggage from burying you. So again, it felt like like a little microcosm of the show where there's something like really kind of hot and fun and like a night out of the club about the sequence. but then there was something really like poetic about it. likeike why do you do these things? Be they feel good, but also to distract yourself for just like eight floors of buttons from rinking about how miserable you are. Well and we get this in among all the like sexual flashes that we get of like Nicki, et cetera, etcetera. We get like a flash to a fight that he and Louis had in New Orleans. And so it's just sort of like when he says like to distract you from,, It's like, this is the pain that he's trying to avoid. So it's just like marinate in the pleasure instead Um Thankking. oth team Theoth team. Tooth team might have been might have my favorite on tooth team. So good. Also like when Listadas of Lestadas is at the ournal And Tim is like making a snide remark about Rus being non binary, like the they them. and he's like, Ohh, but still it is respectful like silence at a year at all. Yeah. I just thought that was really good. inccredible. But here comes Daniel Milloy and Sam the vampire, who is Daf Punk, I guess. I guess. Enter. They get a great like low camera sort of like heroic enter and they you know, and then Daniel gets to drop his iconic line and then he just gets to like fuck up a bunch of people and we get to see Eric Bagosin acaapitailers like a string. Yeah yeah. Londerful. Really, really great. And then were you were starter as a child This was a really fun actions sequence. We love a hallway fight. We do. We love a hallway fight. I love that L Stott has that line about something like constraining architecture or something of like confining architecture. Dragging his face like to n the drywall the wall there, that was really great. But I like that it's like mixed in with the action and all of the intentionally disorienting cuts We have this like I thought appropriate and right. bit of narration from him. Like there are plenty of things that he says that are sort of you're like, okay, like sure. But you know, when he's like I was just singing my songs and fucking my food.ike what what about all these other people? Like what did Louis do? Like this book it wasn't on me. I didn't do this. I didn't put this out into the world in the first place. And you know, it's always nice to we have an excuse to think about either Port Noise complaint or Tommy Nris fucking an omelette in season two of Landman. So thanks for that, Lastot. Thankk you always You know, I love talking about porn noise. I sure do. And Land manan. two of my favorites, two sacred attacks, collllecting leings like they were L boo boo. What was better L Lon or le boo boo. All just I For me, Redige was the best but like they're all just fantastic. But yeah, he's like Louis How did us already? Why is everyone mad at me? And of course, we know that they were all mad at Louis too, but I just it's it's a good. Ne. And then of course the way he's like mocking their platitudes. platitudes their self importance their sense of self importance before he's just completely undone by the tattoo and then rescued reallyally, really good. What does this mean And once you reveal yourself, you have to be on all the time and remember every face you've ever met and everywhere you go, everyone remembers the thing they said to you in the room that you share And we basically we get like a moment, a beat of like all these people now know that this is who I am So like, is have to be on all the time? What you notice being on all the time Once you reveal yourself, you have to be on all the time. I mean, it's yeah, I don't know, maybe like just tracking them, making sure they don't reveal more to other people than you reveal. Like are these all people that he has to kill them now? he has to little Or do you have to perform vampirism in a certain? You now feel the burden of having to like be the vampiala st because you've revealed yourself as a vampire? Yeah, to live up to a certain image? Bood, it's funny 'cause I'm a vamp. All right One more ominous portent for the road., as you mentioned. But then maybe more of the world would still be alive if Dan had not rallied his army downstairs. Also shout out Sott calling him Dan, which is not something Louis ever did. It was Daniel.az. And he's like Dan. I think it's fun A hotel in Windsor, Canada. No. And in conclusion Insist. Yes. Yep It's not much a reveal, I guess. I know it's common gossip now. The first thing one thinks about when my name comes up, I assume a privileged individual such as yourself enjoys a little dirt in their sandwich fledgling lover. Mother. So to be clear, because she's a fledgling, that means he made her. Right. So that's his mom, Gabriella. Yes. Wh we also fucks, Ky C we also turn into a vampire Will this, you don't have to answer this question because hopefully this will be clarified In the Canon of the show in time, did they were they fucking before they were vampires? or is the idea that like once you become a vampire, you are removed from yourself society. Yeah in a way that would make Miss a little less Um Damon the Hir all dreaming about eating out his mom or Jimmy and Bardwalk actually fucking his mom spoiler. or any other wonderful bit of Sunday night preiageTV incest that you might want to refference, we could go with Rome, though that's siblings, of course, not a parent child, but's some more limited text, thankfully. Thanks for this complete rown of incest on HBO. I definitely at one point during a House of the Dragon runun for sure, made like alarm to be able to make a pretty long list just off the dope Let's add the vireless as. Yeah tune in to find out. Okay, so I'm expecting clarity on that Um, Will we get it? I don't know, I hope so. But yeah, this was, you know, this was a surprise to me. Here she comes Jennifer Eiley of Pride and Prejudous Fame or anything else you prefer to The original Kalin Stark on Game of Thrones from the from the Lost Pilot. That's right. We should say Um The stutter returns, yes As soon as he sees his mom, the stutter comes back. and we heard him stutter at the end of season two and he's talking to Louis. Right. So Yeah, and then they fuck So that's the vampireless stat Anything else you want to say Iteems like a perfect place to end the episode. I think we really did. orr the non spoiler section of the episode, I should say. Let's go to I can'tait for episode episode. I know. so excited. I know. Sunday U So these episodes will our episodes will come out on Mondays. That's right U, so that's exciting spoiler section You don't want to know. but you don't know Leave. Okay, this is what I'm so excited to talk to you about. Okay. I feel like I caught something on Google that I didn't understand that might be No Does this have to do with Justin Kirk? Yeah, yeah, okay I this means all. I't want to wait for Joanna to spoil me, not the internet. Exactly. All right, the tale of the body thief Yeah Aat. and Raglin James switch bodies. Yeah, okay So when, how, why So that so Lestat is board and Radlin sort of tricks him into doing this. Okay.. we should be assuming based on that that the the Raglland at the auction is actually stop. There you don't have that is not automatically okay, but based on the timeline. However. Okay. If you go back and rewatch that scene based on that. Yeah E basically every time they say the vampire is at, the camera cuts to Justin Curt. and he's like And He's like, oo me. Yeah He he's walk he walks up the aisle with his head like tilted up in a very Sam read way and then he twirls on his foot around in a very Sam Read as Lestat way. Yeah. I not only think that is Lott Yeah in Justin Kirk's body. Yeah But I think Louis knows that that's listedot based on the looks that Louis gives to Raglan inside of that scene. He should be able to like sense him, right Bed on their connection and like Well but because he made him, they don't have like the psychic connection necessarily. So like, but should our mom be able to tell? Does our mom know you know, etcetera, et cetera. I don't know. But I definitely think that so I do think Listat is in the room. Yeah. I think Listot could not resist showing up to his own funeral essentially, but he's in a mortal body. That's a mortal body, even though it's the personality heart mind of Listat. Okay. So his so the tale of the body Thief is sort of about let's start trying to get that body And no vampire will turn because of the events of what happens in the Queen of the Dam, which don't need to get into. But like no vampire will turn him in that body to a vampire. So he's Listat as a mortal. Okay. So is he after that blood? because he can use that his own blood to turn himself, I think. Oh, interesting. But then will he be in Justin Kirk's body forever? can't get Sam Rads body backacker or is thiss why we have's why we have aou. the double because Lotte is put into a I have not read this book. I've read I read two books in the last couple of weeks. I did not read the Tale of the Body Thief. Yeah. My understanding is that he gets put into a different mortal body And I think the reason that they have put Sam Reid in this double body is so that they can they'll like fix his teeth and like growr his hair out. get somebody vis l Yeah the little perm. And so that they can have Sam Reid playing Listot and not have to like cast another person to play him. His eyes will change once he becomes a man. Yeah. Exactly Solved it solved it. G. But it's really I mean, what about the three inches It's gonna be L's l, sorry he's packing a vodka bottle elsewhere. He's got plenty of inches to spare That's really fun. this idea that Lela Stott is actually in that scene. Yeah. And book readers know, but non book readers or people who aren't Googling around don't know, you know Um In terms of like faces in the crowd while performing Um That's how Magnus turned L he came he would come to Lestat's performance and sit in the audience and stare at him and he was like enraptured by him and his performance. So this idea of seeing a face in the crowd is a very like his original trauma sort of because it was quite traumatic. He described it in season one, how he was turned and I presume we'll see it in this season, but like his transformation trauma his transformation trauma. Yeah. But yeah, Magnus was a was a face in the crowd Um, and the way he described, like the long face. I don't know if the that's necessarily about Magnus, but like It's similar to the way it's described in the book, the sort of like the dark pits of his eyes and the way his facees And Lelo, he is performing as Lelo when Magnus comes to the theater to return him. So that's like a very like specific to his Origin story, his trauma. o comes out of that U what about the wolves The wolves, he killed a wolves when he was immortal. just put his. And He wears a coat. He wears a coat that has a wolf for on it. The wolf killer coat coat Not nice. And Magnus calls him wolfkiller. I think you might refer to himself as wolfkiller as well, but Magnus calls him That sounds like it's not hot The killers tattoo. Yeah. ye. We got that real like Look at that. Okay. so in the books, Baby Jenks is a vampire already at fourteen and she's a member of the Fang gang. Okay She's not a vampire hair because Latte would know, she's immortal. immortal, but perhaps she's about to be transransformed. Okay U Killer is Bruce, who is the vampire who assaulted Claudia Oh So o okay. Is that plot line going to be brought into here as the regional vampires? Is that how we I know Delane's in this season and the actress who plays Claudia. So I I assume I thought it was going to be like flashback. But like how are they going to use her? And then is that a way to get like Louis into this story? you know, because of his feelings about that and stuff like that. but So her like, I'm getting married. like it feels very like The Gorch's buuffy vampire sllayer, like is she going get married to Bruce? And is that going to be the continuation of that of that story? Oo, disturbing. Yeah Should I not haveended on that note Remember how Justin Kirk is probably a stat? That's so fun. And again, that's why you cut you cast Justin Kirk for that role so that you can get around yourself who can like study Sam Reed and like do his mannerisms, but as Justin Kirk Really fun. loveove it. Sad we only have six episodes left. I know How much of Queen of the Damned we're gonna get this season? Like I, you know, as you said, they've cast the actress. Right. So will that just be it's like, will that be the rebrand? for like next season. We'll get like an introduction the damned season. or and then are we going to get a tle of the body theie season? Are they just going to do each as a season or I don't know. What if they start putting Cole in a Star Wars story after all of these rebirs? And Rice's immoral universe presents Yeah Mbe to the damn Con Star Warship Let's not and Louis story. I love it. I love it. We did it what a joy U I'm really excited to do this show with you. Same I can't wait. I'm excited to overheat in this coat. So will you what's the strategy My Wolf killer coat? Are you taking it? Like is it joining on the commute? Are you keeping it here? No it'll be over there by the furry that we made high for the Prestige TV podcast. It'll be here waiting for me. I would say like, aren't you afraid that it could be like someone could abscond with it. But the fact that the furry remain still there for months on end, the furry, which is shrouded on our Our little rack of m I would never dare to mess with the set deck. I don't think anyone wants this coode. I don't think any's staling it. Absolutelyonder. Thank you I love. It goes the way down to the floor. Okay Thank you too Yes, Jacob Cornett Thank you for the gial stickers Carl Serboga Lee our Jinner andca Powell, Joy at Dinneron, Squad, anyone else helps our own fang gang. Thank you so much to vampires H Yeahah, sure. Taca bottles T Torvial and Dean and to Mallie Rubin. We'll see soon. Bye Every act of change begins with a neighbor. When neighbors connect through the Feeding America network, small actions ripple into lasting impact. Feeding America, led by neighbors. Give now to end hunger at feeedingammerica d. org dot