Baudelaire and the Fountain of Blood

Hello, welcome back to another listat episode of House of ourar. I'm Jordan Robinson and We excuse me. It's Mallory Rubin. Oh, the littleittle wee homey. Are you enjoying this exclusive fan experience? You know I am. Hello. This is the Vampireless Stat episode two. Mallory's wearing normal clothes. I have become more unhinged and this is what you can expect from our season of coverage of the Vampireless Stat. Can I see you through these glasses? Not really, but we're gonna do our best commitment to content and to your deep and abiding passion for Listad and for the Vampire Lore in general. The question is and it's on everyone's mind Will you for the finale do the entire podcast in Fs We'll see. 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So Eric Boss, unless something happens, our pal Eric Boss from New Rock will be joining us. Crossover event. I know. We're really, really excited for that. We've long wanted to have Eric on the pod. And then howouse the Dragon is here? It's time, It's time C of Thrones. Yeah't wait onn Sunday night with CR and then the deep dives on Tuesday and these vampire List out episodes will be coming out in the middle of those is sort of the current plan. So Supergirl around the corner. busy summer ahead. We're having a last. That's all we're doing summer Okay, we teased We ented And now we can share Mally Rubin is returning home to Baltimore and she's taking all of us with her My wildest dreams are coming true ouse of our Kight. At Oreal Park of Camden Yards, folks, we can officially announce. I will repeat M of our night at Oreal Park at Camden Yards this summer Thursday, august twentieth against the New York Yankees M of our night at Oreo Park at Camden Yards So join us. Yes. 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There's another little special treat because I'm throwing the first pitch Yeah, this wasn't in the copy, so I wasn't sure if we werenouncing it but matter throwing out the first pitch of an Orials game against once again, the New York Yankees. but more importantly the Baltimore Oriolals. That's right Are you gonna like put some oldbeay in your mitt in order to sort of like, you know, Don't they use some sticky stuff some sticky stuff. you know, I think'm it's an open question what pitch will I throw? Yeah. You know, willill I be working out of a windu? My main goals I don't know if if I have a slider. I mean maybe like a duckle curve. Yeah, we'll see about that. Maybe just some high heat, pererhaps a sweper. That's the pitch of the moment. Here are my main goals likeike just literally fall over. Yeah. And I think right up there one A one B is I don't want to, I don't want to spike the ball directly into the ground. No let's get a few feet in front I want I wanted to be go Ariial. you know if I go ten feet wide, fifty feet wide, that's fine. You know, Do have to be able to throw the ball sixty feet, not necessarily. Okay doesn't have to cross over the top of home plate, but maybe hopefully like at least I'm not expecting my ball that my first pitch should be so in zone's more the longitude that we are worried about. I'm not going to be in the ABS challenge zone No I don't think. Maybe. But I have a couple months of traininghead ahead of me, so who knows. So again, you've been saying this for a couple months. How I training? I purchased a glove, as you know. did in my homeland of Baltimore, felt appropriate, gotot a little kind of like foam training ball and you know, just kind of working on some mechanics.. So getting the arm limber and asked Adam the other day. I said, Man, I think my arm strength is like et than I anticipated. how far was that throw? And he got out of tape measured everything and he looked at me and he said ten feet. So I think I have a w to go, but that's okay. But aren't you allowed throw it like close are't you allowed to You don't have to stand on the mround. Yeah't set but like maybe I will. Okay, you know what? It's all about the fun and the joy of the experience. The first pitch is like the highlight of a lifetime. You know what else is the highlight of a lifetime? Getting to do a podcast at Oreal Park at Camden Yards and then getting to do a watch along with the bad babies. I know. During a baseball game. During a roose game. I'm play with us, august twentieth, shharing this with you N number one sports fan in my life. No one knows more about baseball than I do.. Oreols dot com slash house of Rr. When you last came me to an Oreols game, which was in Oakland, Califnia a couple of years ago. Do you imagine the next time we watched an Oris game together, it would be house of our night at Camden Yards and you would be throwing out the first pitch. Did't occur to me. No' be honest. Are you get Are we getting like J you might get j some jersey games on them I would anticipate jerseys. I think you start planning out your in game meal, get you some boogs barbecue You know? uh, a little lemonade. C candy Sof. So if you grab ae. Okay, if you wantan to get a stomach ache sounds wonderful. Watch Mallory explain all of baseball to me, which people did at the Oakland A Stadium last time we went to a game together. Join us. Join us. Tickets go on sale again. tomorrow, june sixteenth, Tuesday, ten AM Eastern seven AM Pacific. Y Oalals d. com slash house of R Pre game pod, in game watchatch long, comeome hang. Okay, I think we did it. Fantastic. Oh my gosh. What a treat. What areat What a treat. S summer A summer starting with the vampireless stat for Pourois. Dude and ending with an Oreoles game for Valgeres. It's. It really is. It's our year. House of our summer. Spoiler warning. Warning. Yes. Informed by our knowledge of the book, The Vampire of Stat of the Dam and some stuff that I've heard about from other N Rice books, et cetera, et cetera. Informed by my knowledge. right. I have no knowledge. Well, you knew something big just by Googling last week. So, you know, what things you have gleaned from the internet? ex their character name and they there they were the spoilers. Okay But we're not going to get into like hardcore book spoiler territory until a very special section at the end. You will hear a sound cure. If you're watching the video, there's a fun little animation that will play, but we will be very, very clear about what we are doing here. Should we start W with our opening snaphot. Let's do it So robust. honestly, the bad babies are dialed into the vampireless Stat and that's very exciting. We also get a lot of people emailing in about their disclosure dayay thoughts because we had asked the bad babies after we did our disisclosure Day podcast at the end of last week sort of if they enjoyed it, you know what true to form the internet a mixed bag. Yeah A whole spectrum of people, someome people loved it, some people couldn't stand it. And then there's some people who like, I think us are like sort of more in the in between spot between those two stances. But thank you so much for writing in about that and also about Vampons, several people emailed to let us know that Vampons, which was a great joke in episode one is an ongoing thing with AMC and this television series because I guess they actually like H them sold them perhaps on the AC store, had them at various like premiere parties. Yeah sold them for like U or for like putting on your shelf is a joke. I think they were just tampons that had like special labels special packaging on Fun merch. use merch you can use. and we love that. Yeah. There you go. Very practical. It's also a reference to an insane scene in the book Madnock the Devil, where I'm just gonna spoil this. Okay. Lestat pauses midQitus to Consume the menstrual blood of the lady that he is hooking up with. veryery special stuff, An Rice, very, very special. Thanks to all of you who emailed me about it. Fantastic stuff. Okay. Thanks, Ann Rice. All right Alexandra wrote in to say in the opening scene of Detroit She wrote, I half expected the auctioneer to say, Pier Machet musical box Shout out lot six hundred six five, That's a fan of the Opera reference. And I agree like I was thinking the same thing. I just didn't want to go like already like so vampire nerdy, Do I need to go musical theater nerdy at the same time? But here we are. Bear fullest self always. The fan of the Opera musical starts with an auction about a character who is like deceased and you know and takes then takes you back in time And so this sort of very dramatic, you know, and that's when like We have the chandelier and all that sort ofuff like that So like to have open with these auction house, very campy, very Edelaid Weber, very listat. I love this as a potential reference, but yeah. Lot six six five. All right, Malcolm wrot in to let us know that the joke last week, the story that Christine told about Stuart Copeland, member of the police in a Koofy with Ea, like etcetera, et cetera. Let us know that Stuart Copeland's father, Miles was a spy during World War II and a founding member of the CIA and his mother was a spy too. Does this movie exist? I would watch it Like a husband and wife, founding members of the CIA team Because of this, Stewart Copeland, rockstar, grew up in Cairo until he was five years old, at which point the family moved to Beirut until he' twelve. And short, of all the rock stars to wander in on a UN peacekeeper in Mogadishu with a koofy and ammo, Stuart Copeland makes perhaps the most sense. In fact, it's possible that the writers are even suggesting in this alternate universe that Copeland continued in the family business spikecash So interesteresting are they by extension suggesting that everyone in the CIA is a vampire Why not U greatreat. I don't know that I want those CIA v vampireamp Vampire Spyire sounds great. W would be very cool. I mean, obviously, it would limit unless you were a daywalker what you could get done in more traditional business hours. H Nighttime spying only. How does James Mond get done during the day, really? Yeah, let's check in with Jackson Lamb. Yes, and the slow horses. Mostly at noodle bars during the day. I mean Gary Oelman iconic cinematic vampire. That's right, O of course. All right, Bxer roe into something I really should have picked up. They make this truthful and daring reference to Daniel's doc. And, uh B's just like, this is obviously a reference to Madonna's truth or dare documentary. Have you seen this documentary incredible, incredible piece of nineties ephemera My Donna. uth or Dare backstage to herself watching her I should send you the clip of when Kevin Costner comes backstage The Tuth her Daratour because he is like so earnest and telling Madonna how much he loved her show And she thinks he is such, you know and he's wearing like classic nineties costner like dad jeans and all this sort of stuff like that looks, you know, you'll love him. He looks so handsome. But he walks away and she's just basically like what a fucking web, What a square this guy. It's really funny.. There's also a reference in that episode to like with less wararn Bay about the documentaries. So this is like obviously a Madonna reference Crossover event with bandspl playing, you know, get Yasy in here. Do I done of mon? Absolutely. Yasi will come in costume. I feel like this is kind of insired by Yasi leaning all the way in on the Madonna photo shoot. You know what I mean Yassi is an inspiration to all of us. I I qu over that. I quite over that. All right. Jessa wrote in to say very recasonably, I think, I wanted to push back on your comment that we're seeing the quote real estat this season. I'd argue that the reuning with Louis at the end of season two is still the only time we've seen the quote real estat Because the only time he hass existed in the objective lens of the show in seeason one and two or in Daniel Armond and Louis's point of view, et cetera, etcetera. But the entirety of season three with the exception of the prologue and arguably the few black and white shots we see of Daniel's Dock, exist within Listot's subjective lens, within the framing device of the failure. So we're not watching the realalist Stot. We're watching Listot Let' stop lad and Daniele, sorry, Dan, and Louis and Armand and Gabriella. So I think Armand, especially Jacob Anderson talked about this in the scene in this episode in episode two in the in the legal negotiation scene When Louis is being like a real asshole, Jacob is like, and I loved it, but like Jacob is like, I kind of lean into the idea that this is L Statte's idea of Louis. And so I would present sort of the most dickish version of that interaction, the most tauntingly touching my new you know lover's arm and all this sort of stuff like that. It's like, how would Leestatt remember this And so in season two, especially when Louis was like imagining this like ghost lot that he imagined at the beginning of season two And Samari talked a lot about like who is Louis's Lestotte and this is like who is Listot's Louis that we're watching here, which I think is really fun. Yeah Yeah, I think that this is that's fairly consistent with what we talked about last pod that the difference in we did, I think I made a sort of like we're seeing the real estot for the first time. And I kind of agree with our listener that that's not really true. Yeah, you were definitely hammering the like unreliable narrator. Yeah now we're getting his version of this and also the idea of presenting as a showman in order to be able to speak your truth inherently kind of fits with the shows overall interestnterest in examining what you want people to understand about your truth and how. and it's fun to get the different versions of it across time and circumstance. Absolutely. She also pointed out this when we were talking about Daniel Maloy as a vampire and this idea of, you know, you said something like Daniel was made to be a vampire, and I said, this is his version of the hunt. He's on the hunt. She sent this passage from Queen of the Damned about sort of Daniel as a vampire quote, The building has had been crawling with gentle humans who noticed not a thing as they'd stolen the clothes they now wore. uniforms of the young and left by a broken door into an alley. N my brothers and sisters anymore. The woods have always been filled with these soft dough eyed things, their hearts beating for the arrow bullet the lance and now at last, I reveal my secret identity. I have always been Hntsman. So that's from the Devil's Minion I think Devil's Minion chapter from Qutinging the Dam. But the first time she Justa said the first time I read that, I hadd put the book down and starered the wall while, which is I love it. great reaction. And last but not least, Our listeners, Jessica and Suka and a couple other people in the comments. We're sort of addressing our question about This moment that Lestotte has on stage before he drinks the drugged blood, but he had this sort of like epiphany moment or crisis moment and we weren't really sure what the cause of that. What was the inspo for that, right? So Jessica wrote to say, I think might have been him getting close to what he refers to as the quote golden moment that he would have with Nikki when they were young and very drunk That moment when everything made sense and they were euphoric. I think though I may be misremembering it and I don't know the book here. And it was one of these golden moments that Listat first conceives of the world as a quote savage garden. Yes, that's where the band got the name. I didn't know that. I love it. And his savage garden imagery rems certainly reminds me of his jungle snake language. Interesting. So shout out Chicka Cheri Cola. I mean always shhout out tomative song of our you. I love that song And Suka has this great interpretation. She says in Detroit, Longface and Back Licorice are songs that Listot wrote while still avoiding connecting with the humans around him and within himself. The lyrics are fake, and the fans are okay with them but not feeling it L f Long face sucks I feel really dumb that I like log face. It feels like everyone agrees that it sucks and the show agrees that it sucks, and I'm like, what a banger. So maybe I've shit taste. You know, music is personal Longface sucks, he can't fill eight hundred suits. The moment he reales he realized that letting Larry play what he wants and connecting with him means the music gets better and the fans also immediately rack back, something cracks open. Muses slash ghost from the past leted in and he's unable to stop them We guess that from now on, L S Stott we willll start writing music, slash song lyrics that will reveal bits and pieces of himself. Butch Butterscot bitch has lines that give clues of how hurt he is by Louis And I think this is interesting to go back to what you were just talking about Um, thinking about that about this idea of like connection, like letting Larry po Patrick from Schittz Creek, letting Larry actually like play his guitar versus getting on the tambourine. Yeah. That's the that's music is collaboration, not music is like dictated by Listotte. R. So so Lestot in communion with the world around him rather than in his own isolated space. And I like that as an idea of like, that if that pushes him towards more truthful music and more truthful storytelling through his music. then it sort of revisits that idea of like what it means to be truthful in your storytelling. And for like Lestat inside of this failures, who knows how truthful he's being inside of this failures project, But like what is his music going to be revealing about him and his emotional journey, that maybe even his own storytelling into the phone or whatever he's using, I doubt tos addictap phone. That would be great. I would Eplains. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I like that. And it's interesting too, to think of just the very organic evolution, like how much of the initial desire to start crafting the songs and pursuing this rock star life was like intentional agenda. This is what I can do and what I can say and how And how much is the organic desire to be able to express something? and how much is a melding of the twoube? But then like what is the balance of those scales as he responds to different stimuli in real time and then of course has like Gabriella back in his life now are these moments with Louis inside of this episode There's the, you know, in any aspect of life and I imagine frontman of a rock band would would fit as well. There's like what you intend to do and then what you find yourself doing. So how much is Lestat ever in control of his own impulses and how much is he guided by the pull of his heart toward? Definitely me is a podcaster What do I intend to do and what do I wind up doing? I mean, there's a reason that we're so drawn to this beautiful man I of staying on script generally for House ofar, but I don't know, when when you show up on like there were watchables and especially like when you're there with like Vana Bill and stuff like that What do you intend and what ends up happening? You have no control. You're not in the driver's seat there. So you know, All right, so this is episode two, Toledo or as I imagine Lat would say Toledo. I don't know why I said it so Spanishly. Okay, directed by Craig Zisk, who directed D't be afraid to start the tape as we mentioned in in the season premiere this year, written by Jonathan, I'm going to say Teneseras and Kevin Hannah could be any kind of pronunciation for that last name, but great writing, Jonathan. Mallory Rubin id you like this episode of televis I did. I didn't like it as much as episode one actually. I think that this had my favorite scenes of the season so far, the boardroom scene, which like a rare thing where you could see a pretty sizable chunk of something in trailers and then you get it. and it's like not only not a o well, I've seen this already, but just like the ultimate kind of euphoric transcendent high. That scene was electric and there were a couple of other really good scenes in the present day timeline of the episode. The flashbacks like I didn't in love Me neither. Yeah. Tough for me who loves the period drama. U So so I also prefer episode one. but for people who are sort of disoriented and confused by episode one, this is a much more linear s, even though we do get it's more traditional flashback structure and a more linear forward movement of present day story. So hopefully that is like less difficult for people to follow. of the flashbacks were I love this show. But I will always be honest on this microphone. And I will say I thought the flashbacks were tough Yeah. Visually very tough and then sort of like narratively, they're zooming through a lot of stuff. They're really truncating the flashback stuff inside this episode and potentially going forward Everything that I've heard from Iam Moskowvitz, one of the writers and producers on the show and Roland Jones, a showrunner, is that Rolan on the u on the official podcast plainly said budgetary cuts. Yeah. And like something we could have all told just by the wigs themselves honestly, The wigs are always to tell. like genuinely some of the worst I've ever seen. like really astonishing stuff. I love this show. This was tough. Yeah. Yeah. So you know, visually, you know, and he was talking about how like they had to set everything basically in that one room room Yeah and they couldn't like do the theater troop stuff that happens in Fashback or do the monastery stuff that happens in Fashback because they just had to like Then they had to just like say it instead. And so they're just like stuck doing exposition at the dining room table with a two dollars and a hot dog to spend on the wig budget And then Jennifer Ey is doing Insane accent I have been very eager to discuss this with you because I'm like, My I love it Jennifer Ey. likeike what is what am I missing Lizzy Bennett like we love theese Pride and Prejudice. She is an icon of a quQueen Sacred text. And I think her performances is actually like performance is great The accent' insane. It's giving it's giving countjoculate. It does not sound like anyone who has ever been to Italy let alone, and I speak like a very little bit of Italian, but let alone when she starts speaking Italian, I'm just like, literally what is that I'm like You know No one has ever said that Samarree's French accent is very accurate French by the way of Australia. And I think for all the vampires who have lived for centuries, you know, like their accents can kind of get, you know, we'll tell Justin Kirk and what he's doing, which is actually genuinely very entertaining The accent choice that Jennifer Elly and all have made for Gabriella here. Yeah. First of all, they change, you know, they made her Italian. she's French in the book. they made her Italian for some reason. And the only reason I could think of was like Maybe she thought she could do a better Italian accent, but like, okay, is that better? Boy Yeah. if this was the result of the Italian accent, if they're like, we're going to try an Italian accent and if this is the result I do not understand Wh they wouldn't I love the show. why they wouldn't in the modern day have her super toneed down. Yeah. because like Right A bit of a wanda maxim off evolution of accent over time. Louis' accent from his like you know original New Orleans accent to what he sounds like in the present day. Armand has also gone through like an accent transformation. Like it makes a lot of sense for a vampire who hass lived hundreds of years to sort of like somewhat lose their original accent as they have existed in the world But hers is, you know as bologigners as it ever was and it's It's a baffling choice, honestly. L really strange Yeah. It's weird. I didn't know that about the French and the So I wonder then if the choice to go Italian here because we have that moment then later playing piano in the present day after murdering S or something. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. like one more difference between mother and father and the sides of the family in the home and the choice less that made. And obviously one of the interesting things of that element is that he like really But comes out team France in that one, right? Which is like and you couple that with the OI seem to be quite jealous of Louis who I'm looking back at during the concert and then looking at a photo and then she sa that one and then she had about Claudia Yes, exactly. felt a very little bit of a wedge in that moment in a couple of respects. So maybe if that's part of the reason that's interesting. but yeah, Um I was surprised when Italy was invoked because I was like, is this like supposed to be almost like Transylvanian like cartoon vampire energy like on purpose? but then I guess not Um So that The wigs, the concentrated setting moving through time. But I think it's those are all contributing elements of of like a very heightened tone that I think often in the show works beautifully but didn't qu end this. but for me it was more than like that as a way to then give us, as you said, the exposition dump of moving us really rapidly through time of these key phases of Lestat's life. So then you get to a sequence of like the recurring cabbage bit, know the cabbag, cabbages, cabbages. And I'm like, I canes cabages, I can tell that Dad and the brothers who have lived, you know, not in the graveyard. I can tell they suck, right? They're not helping the villagers who come to beg for their aid There we'll get to some of the other stuff that we know from the Con. Obviously, these are terrible people I'm like, they kind of all seem awful. Like is Gabriella supposed to seem like a winning personality to me in no stretch? Yeah. No, I don't think she is. So then when they viciously murder them, I'm curious where the show thinks we're supposed to be I understand why Gabriello wants it. I was like I guess I I have enough in those fifteen minutes. It's like a third of the episode to get us there for Lestat, but yeah, it just didn't quite have the like, I totally understand this character's backstory, which is the thing that we've been longing for, right? And especially like unfortunately when you compare, and again, I don't know how sizable the budgetary cuts were for the season or how much they felt they had to like allocate for the concert scenes or that kind of thing If it's like a reallocation or if it's a generally like, hey, we poured all this money into season one and two. And in season three, you guys have less money to work with. I could see that AMC just sort of like resizing their investment or something like that. But when you compare it to how Introduction we get to Louis's family in New Orleans and his relationship with his brother and his sister and his mother and how nuanced that is and how that unfurls over several episodes and how you understand Louis's distance from them, but they are not cartoons in their sort of like issues with him these You know Gabriella Not. you know, excluded from this. L these feel like more like cartoons than they do people at this at this table, you know, these various table scenes. And especially the father and the sons, I mean justice for the wives who did not really deserve what they' I thought, but like The father and the sons's like And by the end of it, the wigs plus the makeup, they look like like cave people, They look like Nanderthals, like what ple ofot is in like a real like Viseris late in season one ofot D kind of state just some space. Yeah. It just like a lot of Okay. so. You and I were not fans of that. Yeah. I will say though, on the opening VO, the opening voiceover from Lostot It epiphany. Yeah I have no notes on that. No. epiphine and then sort of like the the boat is my penis and the ocean is my mineor. It's just wonderful. I I want Let's go our deep dive. All newew Sundays at nine, exclusively on AMC and AMC plus. I am bump st. I'm a rockstone now Anan Rice's Imortal Universe comes what Vulture calls the most momentous event in fictional rock history. Thousands of fans l you. I want millions It's my de. This is the Fampireless Dot. All new Sundays at nine exclusively on AMC and AMC plus, Stream now. This episode is brought to you by NS Energy Introducing new NAS Energy Grand Prix Guava For those that want to be fueled up and fired up with a one hundred bound hour tropical tasting power Night your taste, start your engine Shift your flavor to high gear with new Nas Energy Grand Prix Guava Hit the street, grab a can and get after it Looking to see what's happening around your home? Ring's Battery doorbell helps you track packages and see who's at your door in real time. The Outdoor Cam plus protects your yard at night with a wide field of view and clearer retinal two K video, or upgrade to four K cameras and doorbells with retinal vision for ultra clear zoom in detail Your door, your yard, your home With Ring, it's protected. Shop cameras, doorbells and more at ring d. com now So Is it like Auver A Aure, something like that. I do not speak French very well. sevenenty seventy two We've already mentioned a couple of issues here, but I really agree. I thought the opening was really sharp. There's a lot of really sharp. And heres here's the thing that has been true of every episode all both episodes of season Every time you rewatch it, you catch something else.. And it is so rewarding in that way. And it can make it There is this weird feeling you get watching these episodes because, you know, especially like later when like the band is having their argument. there's this very sort of Robert Altan esque like overlapping dialogue thing that they're doing here where it's just sort of like you really need to in the band argument scene, which I loved and obviously will get to. I had to like wonderful. I was just like hitting back on the seconds, like every you know, just to make sure I knew who was saying what and also I didn't want to miss a everything was so good, you know?. And so like You know, that happens so the writing is as sharp as it ever is. And the opening here, this let's address the incested elephant in the room from the end of episode one It's interesting to me, it's funny And then it sort of recurs like Lot throughout this episode is constantly sort of apologizing or explaining or being defensive about the choices that he and Gabriella are making. and we will talk about all of that and Listat's discomfort with it. like obvious, palpable discomfort with it Um And so as a character choice, I think it makes sense and it is interesting. this is his story. Also like the fact that like you know, Louis does not know what happened and no one, you know, he's lying about who his mother is. But like by the time the failures comes out, everybody knows. right Yeah. You know, that's what he said at the end of last week's episode. So this is like a big secret for him and by the time the failures came out H secret hasus been exposed, so that's something we can sort of like, forward to, but like Rim So character wise it m sense to me. On a narrative front, does it ever feel, you know, we we are We're accustomed to incest heavy television shows having covered various Thrones properties constant apologizing for it. Does it feel like the show feels like it needs to apologize for it? or does it feel like Leot feels like it needs to apologize for it? interestnteresting question. I think maybe a little bit of both. L I donon't have the same sense that you do for maybe what people would have been expecting On this front based on the mial on the text, but I think what these flashbacks, you know, we'll go through the different ages of Listat that we get in the different phases, But once we get to the wolf killing and the salving of the wounds and even some stuff before that, I think what is undeniable is that these two wanted to fuck each other long before they were vampires. So I left episode one, onene of the things we talked about last week was this question of like to this predate vampus? Yeah is part of the explanation that we will get It's okay if a mom and son fuck if they're vampires because you have a different relationship to your personhood, your past, et cetera. It's different for vampires. different for vampires as Listotte says That's kind of the key, right? Because he's saying it's different from vampires, but this episode shows us that they had this pull toward each other long before hereere's before that. Yeah. so here's my interpretation. Let's talk about. H here's my interpretation. And maybe I'm being like overly generous to Lestot. But I feel like there's clear discomfort from him You know, inside of this episode of the modern storyline when she was like, you know, I came and came and came like he looks uncomfortable and he's like, hey, let's just not do this. How about we don't? Do this? What do you what do you say? I ye. H hereere's my psychoanalysis. Let's have it Um There is no clear indication in the book that they like D defeinitely were sexually attracted to each other before the they returned. There are various phrases. that are like somewhat charged, like She aroused my curiosity, Gabrielle, I said, having never called her that outside of some of my very private thoughts, uncommon intimacy between them. When he talks about her coming into his room after the wolf hunt incident, mother came quietly almost stealthily into the room. And that whole monue she gives him about how she really, really wants to fuck, like that's straight from the book while he's recovering from this like sort of wolf attack. She's like, you know what I wantan to do So here's my It's very clear, both the book and the show is that Listot is desperate for her attention, for her attention and her affection because she's the only source of it inside of this home, right? H his father and his brother suck. Right And her attention is very conditional And, you know, when he's getting beaten up by his brothers in an argument that like they were sort of in together. Yes. She just completely abandons him inside of that, right? Or we get that horrible from his POV, her just like not really giving a shit that he's being beat up. She goads him into the wolf hunt, you know, and his interpretation of that is that she was sending me to my death, better to die By the wool is going to becomever a cabbage. Yeah then then you know, languish here as a cabbage So her attention and affection is the number one thing he wants And she spells it out for him inside of this episode. She's like, you know what I want more than anything? I want to fuck. Yeah. I want to fuck so many men. That's all I want to do. And's a very vivid dream. That's the message she gives him while, you know, like appropriately applying Salv to his body and stuff like that.. A lot of thigh rubbing. So I think I feel that he gets the message of like, this is how this is the best way to have her attention. This is the best way I can capture' attention. And then, you know, like when when she's like, I belong to nobody's like except for I mean devastating Except for me and silence, right? Or like all the ways in which in the modern day, like this is still true for him. In the modern day, he's like, are you staying? I only saw you twice in the last century. like you know, how can I keep your attention? How can I keep you here? Yes. And that's my interpretation of like, because I do think he has like a palpable discomfort with the incest. She seems to have no issue with it. Ands something that Hannah Moskvich, again, one of the one of the writers' producers said is like you know basasically Gabriella comes to this Cumbling castle around is like as far away as you can get from Paris is what they say. It's a noble family in complete dissolution disrepair. They're ignorant, they're uneducated. She loves her books. She is beautiful. she is fascinating, but she is just trapped here. and what she fashions Lestatte into as a sort of like husband substitute because he's the only one in the family that she recognizes any spark inside of.. And so she makes him into her sort of like her accomplice And her, you know, this what that word Hannah used was like a husband. Yeah. And so for Gabriella, I think it's always been there and for Lestot It's there but it's rooted in something different from sexual desire. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't think that was quite that's compelling. I don't think that was quite my interpretation of it. think the agree with you that it stems from a desire to be like seen and valued and centered in her life. That's for sure right. I think that the fact that the shame and the like fear of discovery is only present in the contemporary timeline tells me that that's more about introduces the possibility that that's more about his fear of what the other people he values would think than what he himself feels about it. Be like when he is, but I still think it's all a product of how you're weaned, right? So if she's basically grooming him to be the mini husband, it's not necessarily though again, the epiphany part of it does also. and this is always interesting with Lestot and the show in general, like what is the connection to something that's like more mythic and eternal and universal and what is specific to you. So the question of like using characters in the show to say, Hey, does every like young boy want to fuck his mom makes sense as something that the show is interested in, the story universe is interested in assessing? Young wasat I thought bring this back to the incest thing in a second and we should reflect on howten we talk about incest here at house and Somet to consider something to consider to think about. Something for all of the streamers out there to think about and something for us to think about here at home. like Okay, so you already know you know the dingy seat of the Leoncarde family a thousand years of aristocratic decline to like position us. You have this stunning chateau, but then this crumbling inhabiting family holding on to something that they no longer deserve or know how to preserve, right? They're not caring for the land, caring for the people the people, et cetera. Then you have the kind of You know, the man of the cloth is here to introduce this monastery idea, right? Euc The boy possesses an ability to envision the unseen, the holy he would be well suited to the monastic house. We go to that into the his dad's rage that Lastatte was out playing with the theater troupe, the wagon full of actors. So you have like All of these things about young Listat On is it nature is it nurture front that feel very present in the future with the character that we know and have come to love, right? Like there's this like a philosophical mind, like this inclination to think about the way the world works and the things that people are drawn to and why you also have this like dramatic show. Yeah Yeah, right and a mode of expression. So all of that is there And then with his mom, when he was when his brothers were, the stutter is here, right And we see that you as you teased last week, we have like this stretch where he is pinned down and I loved when he got like the stab wound into the grabs like a meat cutting Alementa just stabs one of his shoitty brothers great stuff So he's kind of a fog is setting in as one of his brothers is choking him and he looks over teeen listat at this point. She had a cold beauty, like snow behind a thick distorting wall of glass and I grew hard by example. yeazing. He definitely, I mean, hard like I grew stern and strong and she I don't thinkern strong. I think what he's saying is like callice. Calice by example. Absolutely that as well. about a lot of the languages I think Cern isss you because like go kill the wolves or d. Be a man. R. What were you what could you be men? the way she shouts that? Like I think it's all in the mix He's looking at Ernies. b and he wants to fuck his mom, right? And then when she's slving the leg wound her, I don't think even as we cut hilariously to the maid the mid who's like, this is pretty gnarly, what's up with these two, he's not like No, I'm doing. And when she gets up to leave, he's like and like give me a handy. I agree. I don't know that that's my interpretation of hard though I thought the wording was obviously intentionally double play. I definitely agree about her sobbing his upper thigh and him being like higher. Again, I think it's just him bking and like In the book, he describes how like when he gets injured by the wolf, it's the most attention she's ever paid to him. And he's just sort of like devastating that I had to be like so injured and that's the only time me, you know that she will like that I can like bask in her warmth. And it's also the time she justooses to tell him that she's dying. Y. you know, And it's just like Horrible. I mean, Gabriella The thing about Gabrielle, Gabrielle. I'm not a fan of hers. personally, hot takeake. I think she sucks.. A lot of people like her because U and it's sort of clear here, though not as as clear as it is in the book that like She's a woman who felt so frustrated by the limited roles of women in the time that she lived and found liberation inside of vampirism. and being able to break out of the gendered roles. And so she favors in the modern storyline in the books men's clothing and keeps her hair short and all this sort of stuff like that. And so like this idea of like gender fluidity or gender roles, So like the way in which she saw E Lest Stott a male version of herself. and inside of this episode in the modern storyline when they're coming with their fake backstory of how they met, you know, it's like we were wearing the same thing and I saw myself in you and all this sort of stuff like that. So like Is Jennifer Ey wearing like you know Blazers, yes, but like it's less it's so much less of the like sort of I am assuming the role of the man that I was never allowed to be in the seventeen seventies. But when she says, be a man, you know, she's just so frustrated. it's very seiry You know what I mean? Like you should wearn the dress and I armor. You know what I mean? Like I'm suited for this and you're soft and useless. And so it's envy, it's gender identity, it's all this other stuff like that. And so like this idea of, you know, when you think about like Louis as a gay man of color in the time that he lived in and the limitations and how vampirism allowed him to break out of that for Gabrielle or Gabriella for many readers, it's this sort of like power that this woman finds inside of this world find what she does with it right I mean, hardot hot take. repulsive L She does groom her child, you know, and that's repulsive. Yeah, to me. Yes. I'm gonna take that stand. Brave. Thankks. I agree. I think the other thing I love the connection that you made to the Italy. You know, we are we met at the we took our masks off. but this face, I saw my face in it. coover story. Both because They fall back as Lestat observes, so quickly into the rhythm of this shared yearning that they're trying to say like, o, he's trying to say we can't, we can't do this and then they're and back again But the other thing is like gender roles, the need for attention, some actual like edible deep sexual longing, all of that. The other thing that feels, I think ever use the word appropriate when talking about incest, but appropriate for Lata character we knew very well at this point, and I think already, fair to say appropriate for Gabriella a character I've just met This is like seismic narcissism., right? If you're saying the thing I see in my exactly. If you're saying the thing I see in your face is my face, so I want to fuck you, that makes sense to me with these two characters, with these personalities. And so for Lestat too the grooming, the choosing that I'm going to make you, my mini husband sick, wrong, awful. H then being weaned to like crave that kind of attention in that form even more horrible But the like extra degree of and the reason you want me to be that is because I remind New of view of you in this perverse logic likeike an honor. Oh, absolutely. Right. So I understand why the show's doing it It's uncomfortable. But here we are. On the Wolfhood front, this is a very lengthy chapter inside of the book and a fairly famous chapter inside the book. it is again, a truncated version. Sam Reid in the official podcast did have like a funny moment where he was like He was like, I insisted that I have a flail. He was like He was like, Lad has a flail in the chapter. so I wanted to have a flail even though we don't get to see me use it because we don't get to see the actual like wolf fight. He's like, but I wanted to to be there. he's like, he's like, and I think you can if you freeze it, you can barely see it, but it's there ' I was excited about it anyyway. G stuff. We get the non wolf Chilling scene I do think that though, given the limitations of what they showed us, I think Sam R's performance in the aftermath Talking what happened to his horse and his dog To me is the most evocative of like that sat She talks about the dogs were puppies that his mother like allowed him to get and they were like the only companionship he had and he like, raise them from puppies And you know, his horse was also a gift from his mother and it was like this very important thing to him. And so losing the dogs inside of this wolf hunt, losing his horse and having to actually like kill his own horse to put his horse out of its misery Um Sbrid has to deliver that all of that into like one light. And when he talks about covering I really related to this is like, a pet owner who has lost pets, he talks about Crawling and wounded, crawling into bed in the bed is so cold and empty because he's used to sleeping with his dogs there and they're not there And he's just sort of like, you know, that pain inside of the physical pain of the womound or like that pain as well. And so I thought Sam R's like, you know, just my dog, like that whole delivery, I thought was like a really, really beautiful way to connect to the core of the loss and the trauma of that event for him and his life I thought the performance was great. I liked the way the sequence inside of the overall stretch of maybe rushed backstory, edited and cut in a very effective way, you know the swing of the camera, the widening of the horror on his face as the Wolf drumy toorto On the dog front though I actually thought this was like a good effective early primer for the fact that he's full of shit. The pain is he ses the dog. Yeah. So then he's like So again, like, What is true,, right? And what is the version of the thing that either he genuinely feels and believes to be true or is spinning for some sort of consumption. Yeah. Does he miss his dog and is the pain supreme? I'm sure the answer is yes and yes, is the character who feels deeply and develops real attachments to the figures in his life who bring him warmth and comfort. Yeah. He also is like go forward into I have gutted an animal to draw the wolf pack. and then I am sending my dog forward, go in, and then he stands there as the yelps fill the screen. Like what did he think was gonna happen to that dog? He sent his dog to the death and then he's like, my dog. So guilt and shame and remorse and all that. And it's all like kind of, it's entwined, right But it's like, yeah, we should just always keep in mind when we're hearing him in his songs or whatever he says Full shit. Full shit.entent to the shit into the brush. Ultimately. Yeah. Let's talk about the band, you know, I will just say I do think book readers are a little like because the vampire was out is a book has this like intro that is U you know, the vampire Listat, I am the vampire Listat and talking about waking up then it's like Almost all entirely flashback of like this is what happened in my life. Okay. How he's made, Nicki, like all these other people, blah, blah. And then you get this cota at the end. So that book is like almost entirely like a piece of historical fiction.erest. So I think book readers coming to the season are like Hey, man, we're getting just crumbs of what the book is. and then you've got all this other stuff that is a lot of it is additive or brought in from other books and stuff like that. And the reason that they've done it, and I understand why as like TV makers, they're like, we want to keep Daniel present. We want to keep L present, presumably Ame, presumably Claudia, like all of these characters that you've come to know and love We are sort of regineering the plot. This is budgetary, but it's also just sort of like It's a TV show. Yeah And you know, if we were just doing the book, you wouldn't see Daniel at all. You wouldn't see Louis at all. And like I don't want to season of television without Jacob Anderson and Eric Mcosh. Like I don't want. you know, U I think I understand it. and I also understand why people are sort of like bummed about not getting the adaptation that they were expecting. you know? Yeah, it's interesting because okay, so you have a line like your father and your brother's bent with shame G stuff. Come down, you'll enjoy it. This is like the moob who's here for time. a worhip. Yeah, it's God. good example, I think of do we need to see Listat in the past soaking up the adulation No, but like Kind of Right What does human list not do with it? Exactly. Yeah. Like, you know, the fact that this is something that even before he experiences it there, his mother knows that he would crave it and love it. right? The fact that he has sought it in these other forms I think things like that would be really beneficial. seeason two Do we miss Lestatte when he's not as present in the season? Sure? Is the show very creative and how to keep him in the mix until he's like back and full? R The imaginary friend that is Lestat? Exactly. It's brilliant. Yeah A lot of season two requires you to like care about Santiago and the Theater Troupe. to really level up your investment in Armande whichich I did because it was so fucking good. Yeah, right? So by the time you were in that apartment with Armand and Daniel strapped to a chair It's like the most riveting hour of the season. Yeah So I think that I say that's just because I think that the impulse to keep Louisie, Daniel, all these other figures in the mix makes complete sense. I wouldn't want them to be gone for long either. I think the show has proven it is capable of achieving that balancing act. I agree. And so maybe we still get that with Gabriellea, That's entirely possible, or the band, which those scenes have been good. So we are getting a version of that already with new figures. I mean, Christine, like give her a spin off, I'm ready. I'm so ready. Let's talk about the icon the leegend. The band only meeting. great stuff Larryels at one point. So good.. All right. so So let's start wake st up in the bus on the road to Toledo to the side of Daniel using the bus shower. Yes. Also he wakes up from his coffin on the bus. So when he later is like willful ignorance from all of you guys. I'm like, yeah, wait, was he on a coffin the entire tour and they really like you have super committed to the bit, my guy. Do you think the shower in the middle of the room is the only shower on the bus We've seen two people use this. We've se D and Daniel use this. We got some real Daniel Tosush cam there. Yeah. He was really going for it Washingt W. Sure was. Yeah. Well, you know, we learned elsewhere. didn't, know he didn't get the cloud gift. He didn't get the fire gift. He just got the low hanging ballse gift. He wanted more. So gotta keep him clean, huh Is that the only shower on the bus? Great question. I think it can't be. It seems impossible. And yet, how much real estate on a tour bus can you devote to like indoor plumbing I don't know All right, so as you mentioned, Christy is a banner argument with what they saw. I'm sorry I paused and wrote out every single line I wrote were so good. I don't think an NDA gives you legal clearance for murdderers as the opener is when I knew this was gonna be special Christine Aastic. Wonderful atter job Boning lat. Yeah. canan perform what most metropolitan draining systems only can only dream of that's from a later scene but I just crap likeike lean all the way in girl. I love Christine. Christine incredible. And there's a huge expansion from the book. All like the band members and Christine are getting like a hugest expansion for the book and it is allrori. really working for me. Salamander Reading the book, best Full questions about Armon Is this guy secretly the funniest person on the show? He's aister. Every single one of his asides in this and just his delivery too is so funny inside of this. He's amazing. I'd like to be in a book club with him, given his diligent note taking and propensity for follow up questions. I loved also when Lestat shifts after Alex is threatening to quit and then actually leaving Listad has the secrets where he's reading everybody's minds and telling them with some editorializing and tweaking of the truth. Yeah too suit his agenda, what they're all thinking about, Alex, And then one of the things he says to Salamanders is like I make it a habits end never sleep with my bandmates, which tells us that Salamander is looking at this sking all these questions and like, can we fuck? whichich get you among us, but it's just one more just incredible bit on the Salamander front. a character who in episode one I will repeat was getting a blow job in the background shot of a really crowded room. Lestat's face when Salvadator calls Liipppet Cot the small cu incrd him, which is not what that means. a little siff, but he's just like, Inredible Really funny. Also also his face when is like, when's the last time you talk to him, It's not just the it's not just the lines in the scene, which are all Solid gold to me, really great. It is like Everyone's but Sam Reed's performance in this is just like ational. They were all really good. likeike even the way Larry with a little shutters like the She't like that's like Do sound great This was really, really, really t. Cookie has very reasonable twilight questions. Does a mean and fantastic impression of a stot crooning loveix lyrics? The loveick lyrics callalls Louis Lewis and that explicates the black licorice lyrics in a way film me of prride. T cooky come on House of our Do you guys play baseball like in Twilight? is hysterical? Just genuinely hysterical. On the official pod, they asked Sam Reid if they thought he would enjoy Twilight. if Listot enjoyed Twilight and he's like, yeah, I think he likes the glitter. I think he was into it. glitter. inccredible. All right, Freid, he's here. He lets us know about the Bood farm. I think Freid's vibe, which is just very like background but like really making an impression on me is really, really keey moments so far. And then Alex freak the fuck out You said it was a deer as DAR as any KSC night manager has a right to be. My favorite line of the episode. The writing on this show is insane. It so good. Yeah. Alex quQits. Actually my second favoriteine of the episode. Okay. we'll come back to your bard room, but He it does. Now how do you feel about that Um, esn't seem wise. You know, if I were Alex, I maybe would be a little more reluctant, especially given the telepathically delivered direct from Listat to me. Hey, you know, actually that wasn't about you. It was about Larry. You're the most like you're the purest, most talented natural musician in this band other than me Take the time, take the space, breathe, reflect Don't do any of these other things though Don't talk about me and your me. They talk about me in your meetings. donon't go to the cops. Like the not so subtle threat from Lest Stott of what would happen to Alex and the people that he loves if Alex missteps here This seems like probably things aren't going to go well for Alex. Larry entreat but perhaps a bit wounded that Liston did not kill that that guy who buggled his soundchck That's right Gabriella going by Sophia now. And then Daniel out and proud, asking Gabriella who her maker is in a way that makes the spot a bit anxious, I think. Yes, indeed. That's Daniel very much on the like He's the hun He's the hunter O the Listat told Louis that she died of consumption and the point you're making earlier about how he has lied about this. Daniel, you know, a journalist who I continue to have notes for, but a journalist smells the story. From the word goo here knows that this is a person he needs to figure out more about. And even though he will say elsewhere in the episode in a great moment about Louis like that's the story. ding story and we're like Daniel correct, S. Obviously, he knows that there's something to learn about quote unquote air quote,ophia here and this connection to the staff that will be important I like the way that there's like a variance and degree of the way people are asking questions. Like likeike you said, like salamander, bulk reader He's really like 's a daywalk. right. He's soaking up the lore alreadyad. Larry who is U drawn in a way that Lestock and sauce out like did you want me to actually kill that ny? orere you kind of like an is that what you hoped? Yeah. Has maybe a darkness in it, but he's also like, sorry, what the fuck is Akasha You know the way that there's like, he's just like, I don't know if Lisots mention but he has a blood cushion at him. I don't know if he mention a time or two. But he has the blood ofcusushion And the twwilight thing is hysterical because that's like that actually is a question maybe that you would ask if you were in a band in twenty twenty five a vampire and had watched a vampire movies and a vampire was in your band, you' be like do you play baseb Do your skin glit or like that stuff? I like that everybody's asking questions and they're all very specific to who those people are. And Daniel's like, no, I have real questions to ask. L something is on woman person. Who is this woman? And then later when when they all leave and it is just the band in there and Lasad is like sort of watching Daniel talk to her outside like he's just like uncfy with the fact that Daniel is on the hunt here throughout this episode is doing a horrible job of concealing like how obsessed he is with Louis But I do think my favorite most revealing line is I live fifty. five hundred and fifty four days before I met Louis de Pont de laac. Did you count the days that you've existed before you met me? I don't recognize time before you were in my life. I'm the opposite of us. Do you think it's a good defense of how little someone means to you if you have the exact count of days that you lived before you met them? It's a real telling on yourself moment from Lestat here, but I loved that. It's great. Obviously it's like as Louis is about to return more fully into the episode, really great they're like, you know, we get that Alex is like, he kills people. We're people. and Lat says, so was I, right? No vampires born a vampire M sense in an episode where we're glimpsing his past history Makes sense as we think about Gabriella and her conversion as well. Louis will ask Daniel like, Hey, how's Yeah, how's it going? you know, how are you doing? He's like, I understand vampire loneliness now, right? But also like these potential, you know, great conversion recurring through line now and a beat that has come up many times. How many of the people in this band are about to become vampi?ike I don't know the answer that, but I presume someone. Which one do you most want to see as a vampire? I think Larry strikes me as I would be inclined to say Salamander would be the most likely to say me, but Larry seems may be the most likely because he's he's the least secure. Yeah. right? So he's the most likely, I think to want the like the level of the power of the power boost of being a vampire But like this is I think of abe would be the best vampire. hang. She'd be amazing f She'd be amaz and Salander would both be a blast. Jury's out on on Larry and Alex on the good Hang front. But you know, keeping acc count you could only maintain If you were a vampire in terms of the sheer volume of days, but it's stemming from such a human impulse of like It is so apparent to everybody no matter how long or how well they've known you that All of this is about this one person who you love and are obsessed with and are not ready to let go of. Yeah. And it is also true. that you had an entire life before that and people who meant something to you and like part of a breakup or any sort of like a shift in status in a relationship that's been central to your life. I mean, people deal with that stuff differently, but often It's a little bit of the constant yoyoing internally of like The thing I want more than anything is to be back with this person and also I need to prove to myself and everyone else that I don't them at all. And I'm a full person without them and I was before and I can be again. So like that was a great way to give us that in miniature with a very comedic exact count Dam E excuse me. This was great Gadriellela fucking with the wee homeomey hysterical, which surround me constantly. Have you seen the minions ones like running around? There are ones that are like made to look like like a minions because it's like a promo thing. Los Angeles just like they lousy with these delivery. Anyway, they gets stuck a lot. We talked a lot about this scene already I just do want to knowe that Listot Lesot's famous wolf killer coats cloak, which we we've seen already in season two is this red thing with a wolf pelt on it and that's like made from the wolves that he killed. Yeah. He's wearing this sort of like modern day version of it in these scenes with Gabriella. He's got this sort of like killer jacket that he's wearing a looksim. I mean will, as always, his fits rule just as yours do. Thank you. T of the greats when it comes to does not breathe very well. some sort of overcoat Companionship without the C? Companionship without the C and I came and came and came. just Really incredible stuff from Gabriella on this stretch What When she says to him, you know, after he says, I like, how long you staying? I only saw you twice last cur, it's reasonable question to ask. And she's like, you know, show me Wilmington Food courourts. so I want to play Cornhall How did this place and by extension, this person, right on the Louis jealousy and intrigue front? and throw my son Like right're she wants to understand why you've been here.'s been here for so long. Yeah. Is there any authentic desire to understand that or is it is it purely from a place of like why anywhere but where I am. Yeah. Well, I don't think she wants him with her, right? she wants him to want to be with her to be with her. Yeah. Yeah. gnarly. Gross.. All right. Toledo. Yeah, the second most depressing city in the U.S. Tough I Google this, this depression stat is true. but also there's like so many of these rankings. You could find almost any midside city on one of these lists. So according to HomS But how do you feel about the hands on the edge of the frame approach to skirting the budget on the Cloud gift thing? I kind of liked it actually I didn't mind it. I like to accept it. I thought you know, the voiceover in the stretch was so good. It's like a lullaby, everything working last corner of a glass building, a group of building glass salesmen were closing a sale of substantial amount of glass sold to a company in a yet to be tariff, Germany. reallyally great, obviously. So good. And you know, they're about to Fllow potential marks through this night, the seeafood Twer, chubs, et cetera. as the list of contontenders to kill narrows down. We also got Gabrielle saying the worst reveal of seves through Time and Negroni and I'd like to ask Amanda Dobins formally, if she cares to comment as the world's leading Negrroni enthusiast But yeah, you know, the like, okay, you can like the hands and you can sort of kind of pick up the reflection of their passing forms in this class office building That's fine.' fine. That's f Um Yeah. So the glass corner of a glass building and also and rewashes the remaining items on the menu marinated themselves in the poull ravaged sweat of sex positive, sex cynical, sex stipulated dancing. I mean, I'm sorry I think the writing of the show is on the best shit that has ever existed. You mentioned this fairy tale aspect. I forgot to talk about this in the flashback, but like I was really zeroing in on this idea of Listot And especially in the book, he has more siblings who are alive. But no matter what he's the youngest son. And I was thinking a lot about this like fairy tale archetype of the youngest son, how like In a fairytale, there's usually like three sons. There's the eldest brother, middle brother, youngest son. sometometimes it's more than that. But they're always unworthy, and then the youngest son is the one who's worthy. And so I was like digging into like where did that come from? And why is it true? And I was reading some sort of like scholarly papers about this As far as they can tell, you know, in the work that has been done with like folkoren fairytale, because this is across multiple cultures that this archetype is true Um, It's an almost like Because the youngest son ever inherits. Right? And And that's the thing is like, you know, the eldest always inherits and like for the older sons, there's usually something a living of some kind and the youngest son is just like on your own kid, you know, sort of thing. And so this idea that like, It's almost like a pist, almost democratic thing of like The one who isn't really part of the aristocracy, the one who's like closest to the people is the one who's going to be like more pure of spirit and noble of heart. And I'm not saying Leestatte is like compared to his like Knuckle Drager Brothers, yes, but like Rim. But what is this dark fairy tale that we are experiencing? And how does Lestatte, who will be chosen for the dark gift and all sort of like what perverted twisted storyteller are we watching that the youngest son who usually meets like an enchantist who bestows, you know, upon him gifts and stuff like that is a, you know, is going to be turned into a vampire. likeike, you know, what How is that interacting with our ideas of what a fairy tale is and how does Lisot think about his own making in that way. Is it a gift? Is it a curse? What is it at the end of the day, you know Did Lestad as the youngest son ever Shave his head tend to be a stable boy Homas Squire itor. I'm hard not to think about that on the. What can you do if you're the youngest son front? and then where does it go from there? Yeah, yeah. That's a I thought you were gonna to bring up the the brothers from Harry Potter, but but, you know That'sven Kingdoms all that works. Gabrielle and the Hunt is pretty fun. Gabrielle and not a huge fan But when she's talking to that guy and he's like, oh, you're Italian, there's this great Italian restaurant. she's like, G they have spaghetti. That made laugh so funny. Hysterical Ominous morning, Sire, the G conversion is mentioned. Yes I think it's pretty self explanatory what the great conversion might be. Sure seems like it. I assume this is about turning more people into vampires. We've heard a few things over the seasons now at this point. This is actually going back to season one. but The swelling of the numbers. That's what Ragwin says. Yeah. Yeah. ye. So everyone's going to become a vampire and then what does akasha do with that because these are what do you eat if everyone's a vampire, why do you eat? You got to keep some people around on your farms, I guess. Oh the farms, of course of course. Yeah Real R Sheid is here at the Strip Club. The Telamaska enters the plot. Real R Sheid, by the way aike he was always like, quite stra some, but he's like with the glasses looks great and new hair, like some sideburn action, some gray in the hair and like looks fantastic U Lassat's dead S shitty brother is also here. Yes, an un amusing muse. Yeah. Great, greatreat turn a phrase on that one. Okay, so this is a question we had last week, which is like because it's not in the book, I don't know the answer to this, which is like, how seriously are we supposed to take Baby Jenks when she was on the ceiling said about the they who are coming, right? Inside of this voiceover, Lestatte calls her an oracle, the oracle Jenks, right Um And he's like, is this the they she metant? Like, did she mean the ghosts that are coming? And in that case, is it a sort of almost like Christmas Col, you will be voted you know, visited by ghost three or something like that? You know Is that what she means? Or is there a different day coming? I don't know the answer, but like himim calling her an oracle inside this episode T me, tells me that in the grammar of the show,es, we're supposed to take her warning seriously Yes. W you agree with that? I think that's Correct. And this is where of course, like the fact that we are not independent of the actual literal flashbacks moving in and out of time with Lette because he I mean, we get an actual a different part of the episode in the Daniel Lewis sequence, just an explanation and like a cover from Lestat and how he's able to like us how there wasn't there, which we'll talk about when we get there. You know, with the voiceover that we're hearing on the failures, this is A this future horrible thing hasfed. So we really know whether or not she was an ar. We really know because we have cl he has the clarity of these future events that is then informing the framing that is being delivered to us through these tapes, et cetera. then we also have whatever in real time, he, a supernatural being, would maybe put stock in as some sort of prophetic event. So I think it's like kind of there in all directions. That's very There's also, I think, with the great conversion thing and because that language choice is prophetic in addition to the actual little harbagers and moments that we're getting, science and pense, portents and science It's fun to think about like I don't know how much of this is known and explained definitively in the book and how much of this is new to the show, but You know, the fact that is language that we heard in season one and language that we heard in season two makes it clear that this predates Lestatte as rockstar and even the publication of the book Something was happening with the swelling for them. Yeah. However, so that makes me plan whose plan is it? How many vampires are like maybe deliberately seeking to increase the numbers of a vampire kind R But then in addition to that and maybe this is just something that develops that whoever that is achieve their ends. public acknowledgement, even though we talked about this a lot in episode one, how many people are like interesteresting. I've moved on with my life immediately and many people are like, is this real and can you make me a vampire? Right? Like that gu manless out. Thatan in the audience episode one who's like I know you're real. Yes.. Isn't the next the next encounter there're most likely to be Will you willill you bite me and make me a vampire, right? So how many people now are like, I would like this to be my life because I have been exposed through Daniel's book and now through Lest Stat's Tour, even in the like baody burlesque of what's real and what isn't. I gotta say, I want that to be my life. If you're gonna to send two people to be ambassadors of vampirism Jacob Anderson and Sam Re, great point, great, great choices. I mean, who would be able to resist? Yeah, that one. Oh, I get to be that And you'd bite me Bite me. Bite me immediately. Bite me. All right Um this was another part by the way the u I But Oh I'm jumping ahead. This was when I was going to we haven't hit the Christine calling him about Thomas Pitt, but this was when he was describing the blood down the staircase and being with Gabriella when he was like, it just feels good. Like again, he's like, I know it shouldn't, but it just feels good. Yeah then the things he is describing are horrible, but I guess not to a vampire. Like when they go to the motel, the EI fter the Christine phone call, after he's like, do I have to sleep with him? And she's like, Yeahah, and I'm like, how often does Lisa have to do that to get them out of some trouble Um Gbody on this up. stock their pray to a motel. Yes. Here's my interpretation of it. And again, maybe I'm like just too much of a listot defender and I'm just sort of like creating more sympathy where there shouldn't be But it seems like when when the last guy that they are stalking to the motel comes out and you know, he was like having sex with, you know a stripper or whoever or a sex worker calls his wife, talks to his kids. it's like, okay, this guy, this piece of shit while he's on the road for a business trip is cheating on his wife et cetera, et cetera. Gabriella looks kind of more excited that he's got kids and a wife. And I was wondering if that's because she's like, oh, he was cheating on his wife and is a bad dad. so that makes me even more excited to kill him. Yeah. Lestat to me, looks more uncomfortable finding out that he has kids. And when you couple that with H clear discomfort at the end of the episode, again, my interpretation, of when hears his nieces and nephews screaming when they find the slaughtered family in the one room in that house where I alled to go into And he is awaken, troubled by that, and Gabriella is like sleeping blissfully having done this It seems to me that there is a gap in their moral code. Yes. Do I agree with that? I do. yeah. I think The connection for Gabriella. I mean, potentially, it's just the overall blood lust and she's not discriminating even though they go through this winnowing of the potential meal to get to Randy, what's? Anyone would have done, I think, for Gabriella, right I love your observation that maybe the fact that this guy is spending the night at Chubs, swiping on Tinder, fucking someone who isn't his wife and then calling and saying, I'm just I'm just, you know I'm leaving the chop house. I'm not leaving this seedD motel where I just fuck someone who wasn't you reminding her of her disgusting husband who she was forced to suffer through a life with. Yeah extra one more thing to just like enjoy about destroying him exactly.ite quite saucy. Quite saucy, those meals. We notably don't see that person consumed. the next time we're with them, they haveve killed in this restaurant the Italian restaurant. So I think you're right that it seems at least plausible that Lestat is like What if we went somewere el for meal?, maybe that's just dessert, O maybe possible or the second course or whatever the case may be This was also to where he was like in the blood down the staircase. It feels good. findinding the party invitation in your victim's pock. Well, I mean, it doesn't happen anyore damn the Eites incredible. That That was a good line. Hysterical and his delivery was just perfect. But then this I was really struck by this. He was like, it's like It's like, it's like That's it. He does can we think of a mom where La Statt doesn't finish his sentence. Right? So Gabriella is a figure in his life who confounds him. There is something that is clear to us already, but very confusing to him and sends him back to a very young place. Yes. we's got the stutter from him at the end of episode one, you know, it just like Yeah, the ways in which he comports himself as this sort of like swaggering in control, you know, egomaniac, all this sort of stuff like that, But like who he is in relation to her Even though he's her maker. Yes, he's just like completely under her thumb. And yeah like he's always such a poet. Yeah, a literal lyricist. Yeah. And that's why like that's what I like about the Stutter. The Stutter is a show invention. in the book, he's illiterate And he's actually really resentful of Gabriella because she's always in her books, but she won't teach him how to read So he hates her books because she's always in her books. And if you think back to season one, after Claudia is gone, Louis just like buries himself in his books and Lestat cannot handle it. And that's because he's thinking about his mom and her sort of disappearing into her books and how he can't follow her. But this idea that like Lestat as a human was a starter or a literate, whatever the case may be who he has fashioned himself into just sort of like the fastest tongue in the West, sort of like a person at the end of the day for Ieed. All right, spepeaking of which, Thomas Pitt has an exclusive fan experience. This is We both agree about unbelievable. But do you agree with me the show just works on a whole different level when Jacob Anderson is here? Like like I missed him so much in episode one. and I love Sam Reid, as I've said for years, but like and Eposjin and Asad and all of them, but like There's just something about Jacob Anderson's like voice and performances Louis that just like takes this show to a completely different level. And I shout out. Thomas Pitt, which they have acknowledged, I thought, and then they acknowledged is a reference to Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt, the stars of the film. Interview with the Vampire. Pretty cute But yeah, Jacob Anderson is here and I just feel like something just like really clicks into place as soon as he shows up for me. Yeah, I definitely agree. I mean, I think the single best version of the show is when they share a scene. when we're watching Daniel and Louis. at the I choose to I'm specifically reminding you I wasn't in this scene, right? Let'sop voice overver. It's them. it's it's It's breathtaking. You know, I didn't like me it. Right. when Louis is sitting with Rashid and Raglin, the Tamaska scene, like any scene that Louis is in just like a feel watch just him watching the concert.. The way that Jacob Anderson is all the emotions that he's putting on his face as Louis watching Lestat sing. And also I love I've just like around and watched it five different times. The telepathic conversation between Daniele and Louis where I could just like really see those line reads on those both of those actors' faces, just like I was like like What was happening like did they have an earwig in their ear? and they were like hearing their line back and they were just like let me match my facial expression to what myine I don't know, I just thought it was ye, exquisite. Really great All right, so Louis and L Lemwell incredible. This really like your music and Lestat and Christine.. Oh good. They're arguing over all of this. Sasito, which so as you mentioned, we saw this clip as far back as Saniego Comicon. They've, you know, they've shown it a lot U somethingomething that Sam Reed said is that apparently this scene is supposed to be buried by voiceover. This was like BeCcause there's a lot of things we see that we don't hear in the show because there's voiceover over it. So this was supposed to be a scene where we hear Listot, but we're watching them argue. And so Samar was like, so we really went, you know, in those scenes when you know you're gonna to be covered by a voiceover, you perform almost to the rafters because you're like, I have to like really show how I'm feeling because people won't be able to hear me.. But they're like, but Rolland Jones loved it so much that they just kept it. and it is so good.hout out Salolito, shhout out Marine County where I was born. So Soalito, Santiago, like great, great Listach shit here Santiago, I could understand at least he had a presence, but Aman Arman. Unbelievable. And as we talked about when the clip came out or maybe when we did our Comic compom pod, like you said, I bet, I bet very specific detail to pluck out of thin air is just I bet. I bet. An incredible exchange an incredible scene, the rhythm that they have together. With love and respect to the actual music and musical numbers of the show which are incredibly entertaining and genuinely like Boy, impressive. This is the real music of the show. Yeah. Like this duet. I you're right, it is musical. the the rhythm and raort that they have together. It's a dance, but it's also a duet And like there's just kind of nothing like it. I mean, it's just it's electric to watch them. I feel someone, you know, like The I bet I bet or like a lot of people were comparing that Delivery to in season one when Louis is like, Ohh, So can I sleep with other people? And the s goes, off course. Yeah. Yeah it was U you know, or Am on going l that las out las out las out lasat. you know, like, there is this like, you know, it gets stuck in your head like a line of of That's a beautiful observation. Later, Louis will tell Raglland that he knows it was the Fanggang or that fucked up his hotel. Yeah. So his entire meeting is really just a thinly veiled excuse for Louis to see Listat. That's how experience. Songs are not about you. Louie also chose to get involved in Le Stat's merch sales. Like is it fucking with him? Yes, but is it a way to be connected with him Yes. It's all of the above. Yeah, you know, it's like incredible moment when Christine L little stat's like, well, on the fuckk and Christine's like, I'll look into it like a remind a way to keep a stat on his back foot, right? But the next conversation that we witness with Louis and Daniel is like this real I feel really bad about this, right? Right. So there's kind of all of it, I think that what you're observing about that desire to be connected to him when they are apart. Yeah, but also like I have a a you know, I saw a business opportunity. like one of the things he says to Daniel, it's like the reach that Louis has the way that those glassy vampire fingers of Louise have have worked way. Yeah, immortal properties. Talamaska coming to him for what exact reason and motive, you know, we have what Rablan actually will say, and then we have our theory brains, but like Hey, we need like you to get involved here So what I love about that is that you can connect that back to the Louis that we meet in season one. you know and Lestat in this scene calls him bottom line Louis, right?ike there's a business opportunity you go for it. And Louis later says to Daniel, I saw money on the table, right? You know, it just This idea of like Louis who always had this sort of entrepreneurial mindset when he was in New Orleans and how that has just expanded and expanded in his vampire years. And so this idea that he like owns a random hotel in Detroit, but like Where how far does immortal properties go and, you know, what, yeah But the idea that like he's always Lasatte has always been interested in the theater and Louis has always been interested in owning things and owning property and building money off of other money. Yeah then that aspect of like, well, what is authentic te eachach of them? and then how does it unlock something in the present moment? Because then you think back to like the red carpet arrivals last week in episode one and that setup that we got from Lasade of like the opening, right of this boutique hotel. My Pot where the tour exactly right? like and I don't know how quickly you can spin up a boutque hotel if you'res crumbled pretty quickly. you've got one It's her' working for you, you know, and the means, which Louis has. so like Business impulse there, the entrepreneurial spirit, there. I love that. But is he just like, where are the tour dates? Let's make sure that every place this guy goes is somewhere I own. I mean thats like makes me kind of emotional Amazing. All right Pre prettyty green eyes than the Coogar Melanise All right, so two new songs in this episode. The first previewed earlier for us by Tough Cookie is Wh do I have to feele This one Listot sings dramatically and directly to Louis This all really work for me. It's quite cheesy. The like slowing down the gold, the like, you know, levitating up to the balcony. Um But I loved this Are we supposed to believe that the band minus Alex is playing better now, like finding their sounds. So like so to that email we got from our listener Yeah The ecstasy of letting Larry actually play his guitar rather than tambourine And that idea of like, everyone has something to contribute here. We're a band By the way, bandanss fighting on a tour bus, of course, I'm alsoinking about almost famous likeatur Could this be more for me? No could not be more for me But do you feel like we're supposed to believe that this performance is better I mean, I already said that I like long face, but like are we meant to believe that well why do I have to feel is being performed more successfully than their previous concerts? That's a good question because I don't know the answer to that. because Hmm The crowd seems biger but the venue just seems a little bigger. Yeah. But then we have Daniel but you can't they sound thin without Alex, but it's Daniel. So you're like, is he just being a dick?s a 'cause he's Daniel? or like do they actually not sound as like fully realized as they should when they're The membership is intact because their best guitarist hasn't fled after finding out that their frontman is actually a murderous vampire. Right I thought on the floating toward Louis fr it That was I was like this looks pretty Silly very silly. I I like it. Yeah. and I think one of the things that's effective inside of it is like I don't know, the weither U it reminds us that time can feel like it moves differently For these characters because they're vampires, but also just because of the connection that they have to each other. The way that like everybody, you know, you have, you see everybody except for the the other vampires look. becauseabriell Gabriella can see them. Exactly. Gabriellea iss looking back like, well what the fuck she has her personal investment in this. Yeah. Louis and Lestat are sharing this moment. P people in the crowd are just sort of like looking at the stage still. It's almost like it happens out of the experience of other people's ability to understand. But then it also still sort of ports so you have that where you're like, what are other people even like tracking here versus how much of this is like a projection for Louis? But you could also say the more literal interpretation of like the audience is ready to be deceived that we got with Satiago and the Theater trouop in the way that he would actually love it. And we talked about a mini version of that with the crowd surfing into the like your feet are not on the ground and they don't even track it or they do and they think it's part of the trick. So how much of that is there like This is the whole show I came to see and how much of it is they can't even perceive it. How much of it is likely for Louis, but Gabrielle if they're like, Oh, Pink can levitate during a concert. can let die The Le and Court, all right Its fun fact that I just found by accident, by Googling the lyrics of the song. Sometimes I do that to find out what the title of the song is Um this this song, which is called Why Why do I have to feel written by Daniel Hart Um includes lyrics from a song by the group Manman titled The prettest Song in the world, So that I wanted to write you the prettiest song in the world, but I got distracted. That's a lyric from that song. In that song he says by Fires in Burbank or whatever here Lestat produces that book from God knowows We, certainly not in his tight pants and like shoves it at Louis But a fun fact is that the group Manman is the lead singer is Ryan Katner, who plays salamander. So this is like lyrics from a song by the guy who's playing Salamater, who's the music supervisor on the show that they incorporated into this moment, which I thought was just like a really fun thing. Um, We will talk a bit more about the sort of Baudelaire poem that you know is part of the second song there Something that I saw a really brilliant online fandom assessment of this show's version of Listat, because the lyrics here, I was afraid of losing you and then I lost you, which is the lyrics that Tough Cookie was making fun of earlier in the episode two. R I lost you. all this I saw really brilliant fan assess this as like Leestatt will time and again do things that contradict his personal moral code, which is like turn Claudia Perhaps attack the Leancorore fans. Yeah, familyamily Um pererhaps have sex with his mom when he like doesn't really feel like it's the right thing to do even if he is somehat attract to her or whatever is a in his desperate attempt to make people he loves stay He will do these things that he believes are incredibly wrong that they leave anyway? And that's just the story of Listette Sad. V sad Very, very sad. There's also one shot where Jennifer Eiley as Gabriella is plugging her ears while Estot is singing in the cross. It's incredibly funny to me Oh God. When Danel and Louis were having their telepathic conversation? Yeah And in contrast to season one, when Louis says, you're looking old, Daniel, he says you're looking younger, Daniel, right? And Daniel says monocytes and Munjaro Do you think Masizes M Mjaro uh, is a lost Jane Austen novel. not should we write it? I thought you were gonna to say is it a prestige TV email I s d you Why don't we have too many options inside of this show today That's true So Jacob Andersis has said that Louis receiving this annotated copy that Lestot we saw Lestot Furiously highlight and write notes in the margin and all this sort of stuff like that. Like him looking at it and that page that he's looking at in the concert, if you zoom in, the note on the top of the left hand page is Why is Louis trying to hurt me? that however bad Louis felt before about the book This unlocked a new layer of guilt for him. L seeing it's not just like Lestat is having a tantrum and like performing that he's upset. L he wrote these notes. He really is felt wounded by this. And this is just a new level of him understanding that in a way that he didn't before. The way that in the Louis Daniel conversation Louis's like, you know, we were working our way back to each other rightight? So there's the extra degree of regret. Yeah The balloons are nice. They they're activating animations on iPads. They're timing the shit. They're fast timing But then and this is of a piece with the overall aspect that Louis has to confront, it would be easy to just blame. Daniel You didn't ask me and you published the book and you knew I didn't want to because I forgot about the cloud, but I deleted the file. So what I wanted here was clear, even though I told you all this stuff in the first place But at the end of the day, he has to reckon with the fact that he said these things right. And he made Laatte feel this way because of the things he said because of his version of it. Now there's also the version of that for the stot, which is like he also has to look at the truth on the page or a version of the truth say like Is the person is that how he sees he or is that how I am? with that So sh he has haircut scars and no scars All right, so let's go into that scene So Daniel has takaking a bulling. This dinner conversation. You already mentioned that we get this sort of lay uphading of the omniscient narration in voice overver. This is my hour and when tertiary figures appear in it, I will be speaking for them. Just great stuff that also casts obviously more doubt on the reliability of dinaration. Forure. No with less whining than these two manage to accomplish Ominous warning siren, I the queen and unleashed her wrath upon the world. I mean, it doesn't sound great. Doesn't sound ideal. Itounds like it'll be entertaining television though I wonder when that happens I don't know. Yeah, what's your prediction? I feel like this is knowing literally nothing about future events. I feel like this is Um So it's a seven episode season We're through two. We have a lot of Harbingers through two episodes, specifically around Akasha and this like horrible. Do you know the Listot has the blood of Akasha in him? It's come up.ow. . world shattering circumstance that awaits. It feels like it can't actually just then be like, o, she's here in the finale. Like it has to be sooner than that. I don't know the answer to that because again, they're blending two books. Yeah. So I don't know what timeline, like how much of of is titled the Queener of the Damn that they're saving for another season they're hoping to get or, you know, how much they're rushing it into the season. My inclination initially was maybe she'll be introduced in the finale and then that sets up the adaptation for like season four and the next renaming of Cole in the Star Wars story. But like It would be a lot, I think to forecast and tease a Apocalyptic Doom and not give us that in this season. And maybe not even get that next season. Yeah So my new prediction is, I guess that maybe Akasha arrives in like episode five and then that gives a couple episodes for whatever. from there. yeah sounds fun. Again, very low yes All right, so Daniel claims that some quote, Hollywood assphalold is behind the Listat dock Are we supposed to understand that or are we meant to understand just by like the way that Re Rashid shows up at the concert and stuff like that. They say they have Daniel and Retainer. Yeah. Are we meant to understand that it's actually the Tleam Masca? Right because he introduces them as his producers. So this documentary is a Tleamaska produced documentary. Is that your understanding I think so. I think so too. But I' always open to the possibility of another re This is not in the show. I know the book. I don't know the answer. I I'm just asking questions Fathers and daughters. so we get this sort of like back and forth about like Daniel and he talks about his unusual connection to her mom, R And his inability to connect to his human daughters Louis lies so blatantly into Daniel here when he's like,h,' swe No that's not normal. That's completely weird. Sounds weird. was so funny. We have seen In season one. Like Louis Lasat's a heartbeat synchronizing. We have seen in the season one finale when they, you know, when they have that the like costume ball New Orleans dance and the two of them are dancing and everyone in the room goes away and it's just Louis and Lestade dancing alone in the room and then everyone comes back in one of those great like you know movie magic moment. basically exactly what gliterally what D is describing her and Louis's like I don't know that soundsir, sounds weird So rird Um, where's our mon When do you want to see him? I mean, do you miss him? Yeah. Asid I do. I dress him. Yeah. Yeah. I just I fellt so deeply in love with that character. It really kills in too. Gad. yeah. And then Louis tells a story about seeing a girl who looks like Claudia. Y this was sad Really devastating.. Yeah. The lady we await your arrival. I mean, I have to imagine that this is how they're using Delaney this season. is this like girl that he saw in New York? Do you think that's the case? orr is it just going to be like or what do you think? I guess given the Bruce killer end of this episode propelling Louis into this Talamasa task because of this connection the Claudiiaas will go through. there could be a yeah through more of that history in general. I thought that Chased a ghost, I guess was just like so heartbreaking and sad and like, you know, in some respects like All of these characters are doing a version of that. And then the question becomes, can that ghost become like take corporeal form for you again?? Like is that a possible thing in this supernatural world? And is that a healthy thing? Yeah to ch Yeah to always be like seeking that version of your past again Yeah, boy, that was That was sad We're gonna do all of this Louis stuff before we wind we end with Botalir. But here comes Raglin and Real Rashid. I just want to shout out Justin Kirkks. completely bonkers's accent. Is' insane. Is it fair for me to praise it when I just sort of like lit Jennifer Eley's accent on fire? Maybe not. but He's intentionally trying to do something very weird here. and we could talk about why maybe a bit more in the bookspoiler section, but he's trying to do is sort of like mid Atlantic via something else via something else accent, that is what he is going for here. it is When he says Rashid, just really funny, really good Here's the funniest thing. that book readers responded to in this scene. and I'll get into a bit more of what it means in the bookpoiler section, but They just offhandedly mentioned that Louis killed a telemascet agent named David Talbot in Dubai. killed thirty one people, you know, the season one ends with this sort of like Comeon fucking get me a moment from the Wi and we find out that he killed thirty one thirty two, including David Talbot. David Talbot is like a significant character inside of the An Rice books but a largely unpopular character. interest. And so They're going to have to do if they get more seasons, they're going to have to do some character shuffling in order to like fill the hole that they've just created, but they have just decided like decided to kill a major character off screen in this offhanded way. Jacob Anderson in the official podast is like guy I've always say that guy got really excited that not only does he die off screen so we don't have to deal with him, but like I got to do it like sounds great. So Okay. RIP David Talbot intriing really wild adaptive choice here. I'm pretty into it. And then we get this Bruce Killer stuff. How you how do you feel about this Good. I mean, this has been a big kind of open source of story and also source of wounds and division and distance between the characters, you know, this this horrific source of trauma for Claudia who was out on a journey of exploration and discovery and going to new places and trying to enjoy life and was U taken prisoner captive by this man who then tormented her and preyed upon her. the pain and torment that she carried with her moving forward from this. Like so bad that Louis had to like redact it Yeah from the story like her from her journals because he didn't want anyone to know this thing happened to her. Yeah. So I mean, it makes sense that this would be something that the show return to, I think Louiss feelings about Claudia and desire to find a way for like this connection and presence to be restored, I think like it feels I mean, asse this all that the Tamaskaas like this is, you know, we had that killer tattoo on the back of Jank. Baby Janks, Baby Janks. Yeah horacle Baby Janks is ne last week. so There's maybe the practical thing that they need this to be done and accounted for, but also like to be able to say to Louis in a way that they know will their response. L you're not going to let this guy go. So I understand like why have Louis do it instead of them cleaning up and the explanation that Radling gives, And again, we don't necessarily need to believe him, but the explanation he gives is like We do cleanup. We don't Right We don't we would not do anything this direct. Yeah. Basically we need to like manipulate you into doing it and then we can like help clean it up, but we can't have our hands as dirty as they would need to be in order to take care of this problem directly ourselves. R. So yeah, it seems very clear that they've got Louis on the hook for this. And again, this is a show invented sort of storyline for Louis to keep him present here. Got And then, so then one of the things that's interesting to me about that as a way to keep Louis like really centered in the story is then what is the Lestat connection to this? Because, you know, We have, as we've mentioned already, the reminder that Louis doesn't know about Gabriella Right So there's a truth capped on theot side. But then there's also like what does Gabriella know about Louis? and she's on a real jealousy driven fact find mission outside of this episode And one of the things that she says to a Stat toward the end is like I see why You gave him a daughter Right? And then it's like, welloy, I took her back And that was thats only line. l. Yeah, even the incest where he's like, we should make a pack but then he's like later Yeah You know, when she's slicing his neck and drink, you know, we rode the edges of our pack. He's like, we have boundaries, but not really. This is the tripwire that he's like And we were having such a good night and the mood and the tone changes completely. goes icy on her. There's Louis, but also Claudia and what Claudia means to her family, but to Louis specifically because of how much Louis means to Lad and what Cludia means to Lassade also, obviously that was very complicated and messy, but like So what is L Statt going to do and killer about Bruce and if Louis ends up in some sort of sticky messy circumstance in pursuit of that vengeance What will Gabriella do about that likeike hey, pay attention to me, not not him and not that. That feels I wonder how much of plot will orient around that. And I mean anything that can put the two of them in a scene together, I'm in favor of, as you know. Yeah, for sure, for sure. And there's also just like the overall like you know, what is ing with that coven, right? Like how much power do they hold? Like not just Bruce specifically, but so that's the fang gang, right? Yeah. Yes. the tooth team. Yeah Exactly. You know, they've got a farm. Yeah. And we talked about like the powerage fentanyl distribution. her power outage, power outage. Yeah. All right. Anyone fancy Italian let's wrap it up here. Along with this musical performance of Baelaire, which we'll talk about in a second, we get a flashback to Listot Turning Gabriella, fighting with Nkki Gabriella taking to vampirism with Gusto and then the two of them slaughtering the family together, which as As you noted earlier, this doesn't happen in the book He does not kill his family. She does not kill his family. He actually takes care of his family after he becomes like he doesn't like them. He lik his nieces and nephews, but he doesn't like his brother and his dad, but he takes care of them financially after he is turned into a vampire. And so this is a huge Yeah RIP David Talbot and also Lestad and his mom killed their shitty family I don't know. Do that is that In what way is that an interesting change to you To me I guess to me, I will say becausecause again, he feels like a reluctant part and not Totally reluctant, right? He pulls a heart out of the chest of Y hes. Yeah, onene of them. Um But uh But it seems like something Gabriella like goaded him into. Yeah. J like we get back there in an hour and he feels you know, un'comfort with it. And something I did like is like They're hiding in those Is it a tomb? I get to A tomb You see a lot on Buffy Vampireres layer, something that is like a big cement coffin that you put another coffin in They're hiding in there, but those like that's one of the first shots of the episode is those, you know, because he describes his dead siblings as garden gnomes outside of the manor, but like those cement or stone coffin thing tombs are there and that's where they are at the end of the episode. And I thought that was like a cool. little circle back. Yeah. I think I agree like this idea that this is like a gift he gave her not necessarily the choice he would have made. Yeah on his own and then what else is he willing to do for her for other people to the things we do for love, as Dia Lister might say Um So Lestat sings the second song of the night. It's Baudelaair.'s Baudelaire time. Baudelire already got a mention in ye In the auctioning cycle set to the poetry of Baudelaire. that was episode one. So two episodes, two mentions. Why Baudelaire? My guess is that he wrote it's because again, this is a a word search for Baelaire inside of Anne Rice. I didn't find anything. this is a show invention, right? So Is it because he wrote poems like Leant Pierre and the metetamorphysis of the vampire And I read those poems. and in those poems, the vampire is usually a metaphor for like addiction and sel destruction and all this sort of stuff like that. So he was like the vampire symbol is something that Baelaire was interested in. He's an early modernist, a lot of symbolistic language. This poem that they set to this tune written by the tune written by Danel Hart. The words are botleayir, and it's from the poem Fountain of Blood Le Fonton des song And it's the same tune that he was playing over the iPad to Louis in episode one Um And I'm wondering if in the lyrics of Why do I have to feel? The lyrics to me says, I wantan to write you the prettiest song in the world, but I got distracted. Like is this what he means? This is I was trying to write you this beautiful layer song or a beautiful song, you know, But then the fucking book came out and I got dacted Daniel Hart in an interview said like we wanted show music that would come from his pre rock and roll era, more like an art song or a chamber song for the nineteenth century. I really enjoyed writing it There are many translations of this poem, but I went with the End of Ascent Malay. Shout out lesbians translation. I'm going read it It seems to me sometimes my blood is bubbling out as fountains do in rhythmic sobs. I feel it spout and laps. I hear it plainly It makes a murmururing sound But from what wound it wells so far I have not found, as blood runs in the lists round tumbled armored bones, it soaks the city, islanding the paving stones Everything thirsty leans to lap it with stretched head trees suck it up, it stains their trunks and branches red. I turn to wine for respite. I drink. and I drink deep. Just for one day, one day, neither to see nor hear Wine only renders sharper the frantic eye and ear. in terror I cryed to love Oh put my mind as sleep But love for me is only a mattress where I shrink on needles and my blood is given to whores to drink Um So a lot of blood stuff. Yes, quite. V vampire. Yeah. Here's my like a few things that I want to call out from this. you know in every translation of this poem, the bottom line is, he's bleeding freely, but he cannot find the source of the blood. Where is the wound on my body? I cannot find it So if you can't find the wound, you can't you know, stamp the flow of blood. like that's part of it. but also like, Lastat has not done the work to the psychological work, the therapeutic work to figure out what the original wound is here. R I'd say Gabrielle personally, but like, you know, it seems like a mge ne at the end of the day. Everything thirsty leans to lap it with stretched head, the blood that he is You know, his his vampire feelings are so big the blood just like is flooding the city, right with his blood with his wound Eone, everything thirsting le leed up, trees in some translations cattle, like whatever the case may be. this idea of like artist Y pain becomes art that other people feed on. right? So as a songwriter, let's say, you put your pain into the lyrics and then, you know, a crowd of a thousand people or so in Doledo are like, Yeah, Sing me about your heartbreak. They're just like greedily laapping it up. so you're you're Pain becomes food for other people to consume This idea of like of wine for respite, one day, one day and neither to seen or hear. so numbing it doesn't work. does not help and then love trying to sort of like Imerse yourself inside of love and maybe the love will feel, you know, as as the Oracle baby Jenx, like, does that top up Y heart These various like love stories that you've created for yourself with Nkki with Louis, et cetera. And the answer is, you know, to Baudelire, at least no U Bed and needles, my blood is given to horse a drink, not not great. Love's not theswer, wine's not the answer. I'mleeding profusely and I don't know where the wound is. and that's the The poem, the lyrics that he has put to this song here Wa what Anything you want to say about Botalir I think you covered it. I have nothing to add. We did it Poetry corner. Bea had aifulner U thanks for the Botelir. U Book spoilers. Let's do it. Let's do it. All right so as we mentioned RP David Talbot, did get an email about this. actuallyct, our emailers did not mention David Talbot, but I now understand this is who they were talking about, right? So just go right to say I want to clarify. in the great body swap thing that we're talking about Yeah. Lestates does get his body back from Raglin James after they swap, but James then swaps with a friend of Lestat's who has not yet been introduced to the show. This is David Talbot person in James' body becomes a vampire. Listat does get to be himself again, but then again, they could change this and use his body double, or it could be a way for quote unquote Listat to publicly be killed and die. It would be interesting to see where they go from there. Um know how to in in my understanding of this shell game that is the body swab. Yeah. I don't know who to put in David Talbot's place. David Talbot who was an elderly human who Lasatte eventually turns into a vampire in Raglin James' body. So like if we who work for the Tleamoska and is a friend of Listat. So is it like Daniel, an older man who is already a vampire, but like an older man, blah blah. Is it Louis somehow? or is it someone else they have yet? Is it Rashid? Is it like who is it going to be or are they even gonna do it? I don't know, but like It feels like they want to do the body swap since they seem like they haveve already teas that in the auction scene at the beginning of episode one. But I don't the David Talbot problem creates a real hole inside of this whole equation that I don't know how they plan to I don't have a clear understanding of who they could swap in for him But obviously, they want to swap in a character they already have to make it all ye interesting a tighter story. U Potentiial incorporation of the Anne Rice two thousand book Merric with his Claudia pllaot. in which Louis resurrects Claudia to findine closure. Okay. Yeah. So is that what they're doing here with this waitress that he sees in New York. R Is she a resurrected Claudia or is she a vessel that they could put a resurrected Claudia into? or like, what are they going to do? But like that is a plotline of a later in Ricebook. I don't know the answer. But Ieresting Interesting.. All right. The great conversion. We already talked about this as you mentioned, it's not I mean, do you want more specifics of this of slightly more specific?. The r conversion is more vampires than humans I believe. So like that's the idea is like, let's change the percentage And we're going to keep the humans around so we can feed on them, But sure ye, let's become the dominant population of the world. Okay. Make sense. Devil's Minion is a chapter inside of the Queen of the Dam that is all about Daniel and Armond and oh yeah, baby, their love story. I feel like, you know, this is like This is So present here in Daniel's like discomfort. in talking about Amands. And it's just sort of like I feel him even when he's not here. and I kind of love that they're doing this because like because of the time jump shenanig as they did in season one, like Daniel MillLoy is a young man in the books. R. So the fact that they're like, Daniel MillLoy is a much older man, played by Eric Bagosin, they're still gonna to do this like Armand Daniel love story thing. Fantastic,ucked up. Andike like if you think about that and you go back to that episode in season two that we love, it's just like all this, you know, is that what makes you fascinating?? Is that what makes you fascinating? I love to that. Really excited And then body swaing as an explanation for Raggland's bar accent Tale of the Body Thief is not his first rodeo at body swapping. He's been like doing this. So like how old is he? I don't know the answer, but like he's been sort of body hopping already. so like And this one' talk about, if youve for centuries, your accent should be weird, you know sure Yeah or non existent, you know. Right Cpletely blank or nuts or just nuts and Dusta Kirk has gone for nuts. and I'm a big fan of it personally. but yeah, good stuff. Anything else you want to Talk about here. any questions you might have that I can might be able to answer or not. I guess I'm a claudia fr like. So what are you hoping for in terms of just, I guess volume for that storyline Um It depends if Lestat is also involved. Yeah If it's just like a side plot, I'm just kind of traumatized from this last season of Euphoria where people felt like they were inside plots that to the main story and its just sort of like a way to keep someone here, even though we don't have a story for them. Yeah. You know? so By dint of it being Claudia, is it is by nature then like more naturally connected to the story. I really like Dlainy's performance as Claudia. So like if she's playing a different person, going to be kind of fun, I think. And u I but I don't expect it will take up more than like episodes inside of this season would be my guess. Right But I would love for it to be an excuse to put Louis andne Lisatte together Yeah because I would always prefer that the same Let's do it That is it For the Vampire ofot episode twoo Thank you to Jake Cornet, Carlos Ceribooga, Scott L, Jana Powell, Joey and Dineron our entire band That's that we would talk it through with. And the thing about love about Listat is that he really did talk it through with them You know, That guy loves a meeting. Yeah. I mean, the band performed together after all of a sudden done we will be back with the Dark Night Rises. That's right. Very soon. Yes and the house of the Dragon. And next time you'll hear from us Let's start episode three. Hobins and Dragonsanddemil. com Yes. If you want to email us your thoughts and feelings and book reader inssights, we would love to hear them Your Baudelaire interpretations, anything else And we'll see you soon. Bye