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Uh you might know him from the criminal series Fatale, Captain America, and uh Daredevil, which is uh very excited to have you. You are an ex you are an expert actually for this movie. I'm I'm I'm pretty much an expert. Yeah. Um so Daredevil, not a failure of a movie. We should say that right at the top. Like as far as you mean in terms of making money? Okay. Financially made a lot. Yeah. It spawned the sequel uh with not Daredevil with Electra. Spinoff. Spin-off. That's like a bac it was a backdoor pilot for the Electra movie series. Well now I now there's two movie there's two cuts of this uh film. There's a theatrical cut cut and the director's cut, and you've watched them both. I watched them both in the last twenty-four hours. Yes. Did you lose your mind? A little bit, yeah. They're both very hard to pay attention to. I mean you've seen the theatrical. It is real, real boring and slow. Like the fight scenes are so slow and clumsy. The fight scenes look like it date badly. Yes. Specifically and this is the guy both actors and fight scenes. Well I mean don't the like the whole movie looks like um like there's a big fight scene between like elect ra and Daredevil. And that looks like they were not touching, they're not really fighting. It looks like they were what it worked. It looks like they shot the let's just do it sixty percent right now to rehearse. Right, exactly. And they were like, hey, you guys know something? We were actually rolling on that. I think we got it. I think we're good. I have to say something up front. This is gonna blow your mind. I know this already. I loved it. Holy sh it. I don't think I've ever heard that from a human being. What are you talking about? I loved it. I enjoyed it. Wow. In what way? Yes, it did. No. Yes it did. I love the seesaw scene. I love them together. I stirred up when she died. No you did. I did. I was hoping against hopes she would come back somehow. She did she get a sequel. I didn't know about this sequel. I'm excited to see it. I really enjoyed it. Wow. And here's what I think I connected to the most . The fact that and again, I don't know superheroes, I don't know like comic the comic book world, but the fact that he was You don't know that world. I do that's not a world . That's not a world below tornadoes. It's low tornadoes. Way below tornadoes. But is what was wait, what do you what recently did you know a bit about gorillas? She knew a lot about gorillas. Gorillas. So do you know you know less about gonna know less about tornadoes and gorillas. There is a graph on our Facebook page that is And comic books at the bottom you have. I did I guess so. Here's what I loved. I love the idea that this superhero, and again I don't know a lot about superheroes. I love that his power came from a disability. Mm-hmm. I thought that that was so amazing and kind of beautiful. And that it wasn't this sort of like otherworldly thing that had happen ed to him or some of the radioactivity. And in the in the Daredevil origin story that isn't in this, he's like saving an old man from being hit by a love in this version that his dad causes the action. Yes. How crazy is like in this version they make it so much in the in the you know, the origin story of Daredevil. He's a that little kid. His dad is the same, his dad is and in this one too, like they name his dad the devil rather than battling Jack. There's such weird changes they make to the story, but regardless, he there'ss an old man crosing the street who's gonna be hit by the truck. Yes. About to walk in front of a truck. Who's about to eat and and Matt Murdoch uh runs, pushes him out of the way, himself gets in in the accident. The toxic waste spills on his eyes and he is blinded, rescuing somebody. But in this one, his dad drives him out by uh revealing he's a bad guy. Runs by toxic waste factory in the middle of a housecape. And did you see he like causes he causes the truck to actually beer and then get sliced with a forklift so the shit splashes on him? Are we allowed to say shit? Yeah, you can say whatever you'd like. This is not classy Brubic. We're allowed to we just don't like it. I said wet blood fart on this podcast a lot. See I love that choice though, that it was the father, you know, his father betrayed him and that's why he was running so willy-nilly. But it also seemed weird because his father betray He did run very willy-nilly. He had a skateboard. Why not use it a skateboard? He could have skateboarded away. Why was he skating up? Why was he skating down that alley? I couldn't figure that out either. In the director's cut. Oh here we go. In the director's cut, he shows up at his dad's work looking for him him to show his straight A's. Oh makes more sense. Well you can see his report. Yeah, it just splashes down there with straight A's and all like perfect attendance. But that makes more sense. And then he shows up at his dad's work and the guy's like, Your dad hasn't worked here for years. And then he and then he like immediately skates to where his dad is roughing a guy up. And I'm like, see, I have to say I did not understand that the radioactivity of the chemical was making I th I thought That's why he has the enhanced radar sensibility. Yeah, that's why all the things come in so clearly . I just thought in my mind what I was thinking people are like No, not at all. I just thought he was this he had sort of committed so hard to being blind But he woke up in the hospital room and it was immediate. I never had a lot of time to make that conscious choice. There is a certain amount of But your senses do get high . He did the the little kid wire foo like where is stick? Like how does he not get trained by stick like there is a there was the early s the before Frank Miller there was no stick or just like learned how to fight by like because he grew up in boxing, you know, rings and stuff or in in boxing gyms. Well here my issue with this movie is it's kind of what a lot of people say about superhero movies, which is like, oh I don't wanna see an origin story. I just wanna see them get into the action. But they don't they neither do an origin story to its completion, nor do they tell an effec tive criminal story. It's kind of like a m it feels like the middle of something bigger. It's just like the Kingpin stuff is so like kind of slapdown. And he has nothing to really d it just doesn't I don't get what the villain is. I don't I mean the really it starts to really get together like an hour and twenty minutes into an hour and forty eight minute movie. The first time I saw this movie, I didn't see it in the theater because I was working at DC at the time. So we and and I was doing like a bat I was working on Batman or Catwoman or something. And but I knew people that had gone to see it, like D D C had been invited by Marvel to go see this. And Marvel, the guys at Marvel, like Fox made this movie. It was before the Marvel Studios. Trevor Burrus Even though they still have that cool opening. Yeah, they have the cool opening. But um I remember like one of my editors at DC said, This is what this movie is what everyone says is wrong with superhero movies. Like he basically kills a guy. Yeah. First guy he goes after. Also, okay. This is a thing that I never noticed. I love that. Okay. The opening court scene? Yeah. Yeah. What the fuck is going on there? They're two defense attorneys. They're representing like the rape victim and the other people are representing the rapist. Where the fuck are the prosecutors? That was the weird thing. I was like, what is this trial? And is this civil case? Yeah, was that the OJ jury? He already got off on the criminal part and they're she's trying to sue him and they can't get that either. And it's like, and and then like Foggy when they walk out of the courtroom, he's like, he's like, oh man, he hired a really good lawyer. That lawyer didn't. He's like, hey, I object to that. And it's like, and then all of a sudden he was off. Like, he was just like, I mean, did you love the comic book Dutch angles in the courtroom? The only time they had like like dramatic ankles like Batman, like the Batman T V show. The whole static room, a no fight scene, just in court to like testi uh uh the plaintiffs uh testifying. That is what's you know unclear about the daredevil. Like it's it seems in one sense he's very suspect of the justice system and how it works. Like he doesn't believe in it in the the court system, and yet he's always calling for the police in like that end of the justice system over time. Like it's not as though the whole thing is corrupt and he's the only vigilante. Like it does seem like he thinks the cops can be of service But the idea that Daredevil like would that scene in the subway when he's chasing Cassada Oh yeah and then he's like strangling the guy and then the train noise like he's never like he doesn't realize after an entire lifetime of this power that the subway train will make the that first time he's ever been in the tunnel apparently. It's so crazy to me. That noises, like in this, like it's almost like Daredevil's great weakness is not noise. It's like his kryptonite is noise enough. Spoiler alert, we end up with a finale set piece on a on a church organ. Yeah. Uh so that it can make as lo as much noise as possible. Yeah. And well Well and Bullseye's banging the church bell.. Oh my god Oh well I want to also talk about going back again, going back to this Quesada rapist. Uh yeah. He does so much damage in that bar and seemingly kills everyone in that bar. And when there was only one person he was after, and he doesn't even effectively kill the rapist because he has to chase him into the subways. Like a lot of people died in that bar that are seemingly innocent or have not committed a crime. They're like bad guys. It's a bad guy bar. It's a bad guy's bar in the comic. It's the bar where the bad guys hang out. I don't know that he killed them. Yeah, I think they're just down for I admit it, my eyes started to glaze over during that scene because I was just like, wow, there's a lot of stuff going on here.. I fascinated And I'm like, how is the how is the pool table on fire? Yeah, all of a sudden the pool table. And then he's like standing on the pool table. So like on fire. And the other guy got away somehow. The only guy he came after the subway. They have a confrontation. That a s if a subway train comes by. Uh-oh. But then he fucking kills him. He's no, he lets him die. He lets him die. He the guy fall casada falls onto the train tracks book, there's a scene where they're clearly paying homage to in the old Frank Miller comic where Bullseye's on the train tracks and Matt Murdock is such a like justice and law guy that he can't even let Bullseye die. He has to save him. But he's letting this rapist go. Oh yeah. Which I agree. I mean he a professional assassin is worth saving a rapist not exactly. But well, you know, apparently the director was really into recreating a lot of shots in in from the comics. And there are moments that you kind of see that. But again, this movie is something that like it's you have this origin story, it's kind of like the first 20 minutes, half hour, then you go into this ra pist story that's kind of not I would argue not a hundred percent tied to Kingpin and then Electra comes in and then you're dealing with that and then once like Electra's father gets uh we gotta get into the Electric stuff. Today's podcast is brought to you by our friends over at Squarespace. You know I love Squarespace because with Squarespace, everything that you need to succeed online is in one spot, from claiming your domain to building a beautiful website, promoting your work, and taking payments. It's all there whether you're just starting out or ready to grow. Easily create a standout site using designer templates or AI with drag and drop editing. It makes everything so easy. I have so many sites: the dinosaur site, the how did this get made site, the paulshear.com. 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Learn more at Empower Our Future Coalition.com slash solutions. Paid for by the Coalition to Empower Our Future. Choose to show up With the bold styling of the Mazda CX30. A wake up . The romance really takes a center stage in this like for every the romance is really front and center. Oh yeah. And and it's it sort of seems like they were like the note . Well So you read about this, like I because I when I watch both m both cuts , the director's cut, which is a half an hour longer, first of all, has an entire storyline with Coolio in it. Cool. What? Yes. suspect slash junkie who is framed by the kingpin for the murder of this woman and Matt Murdoch and Foggy Nelson defend him and it's a whole storyline that ties all these plowlands together. Yeah, it's a le it's That you see Matt Murdoch and Foggy Nelson actually being lawyers and investigating and meeting with their own. Because that seems like and it also is a bigger payoff from what I've read about the director's commentary to tie into the kingpin. It's like it seems like at the end, it's like, oh yeah, kingpin higher. Yeah. Yeah. And but what isn't in it much more and is there's less of it is the romance. Like the scene on the rooftop when when he's making out with her and he hears like a fight and and then she's like, Stay with me and, then they're making love. That scene's not in the movie. That is never making love in the movie. Oh. Like they kiss and he hears it and she's and she's like, I gotta he's like, I gotta go, and she's like, Stay with me, and he's like, I can't. She's like, Stay with me. I want to have the slowest sex scene I've ever had in my life . To be fair, they did get married after that. Oh, I know. This is it. And by a way. I think that may have but colored some of my viewing too. It's knowing that this is where they 've found their love. Well, I am a shipper for them, too. Is this where she fell out of love with Scuffoli? Well, here's the thing that people that had happened when she became a bigger star than him, right? Is that right? I don't remember. Maybe. Maybe. Guys, here here is the uh here's a little gossip for you. Oh when he was shooting this movie, he was still with J Lo. Whoa , people don't often talk about it. Yeah, this could be a little Mr. and Mrs. Smith action going on here. I feel bad talking about that. Watch him in a cowl here and knowing that all the drama that's going on with uh Batman. Well, uh not a cowl, but in uh are you gonna read his quote to the next one. This is the quote it goes in November two thousand six, Ben Affleck stated he would never reprise the role having felt by playing a superhero in Daredevil, I have inoculated myself from ever playing another superhero. Wearing a costume was a source of humiliation for me and something I would never want to do again. Whoa But now he has kids. He didn't have kids then. Now he has kids who want to see him beat up Superman. He's not in that costume ver- I mean you don't see the case. And by the way, that's a good costume. I think the Daredevil costume out of all C didn't be more realistic. Oh really? I didn't like it. Even after pointing out like I want to be able to turn my head, he still never turns his head in the B And I agree with you, it does look very real world. It does look a costume someone could green ly put up together. I will tell you what does not look real world is every sidewalk street corner they're on. It looks like the Seinfeld sets when the Seinfeld is. I was gonna say the same thing. It looks so shit. But it's downtown L L it's downtown. Some of it is I think some of it was on set stuff it looks so fakey. It looks like how I met your mother. Yeah. Like why I met your mother. I wish I'd no of no offense to sitcom streets, but they are not they are not the high budget that uh million dollar movies. So guys, please don't freak out about how we're coming down on sitcom streets. Yeah . We're not trying to start a war. HIYM do HIYM fans do not strike out against this podcast. We cannot have you guys against us. Guys, we do not want to go to war with the H I Y M versus H D H I M Y G oh H I Okay Yeah. Himya versus Hittigum. Why does he sleep in that um And that's the Coolio murder. And he has this vision of the murder happening like on the floor, like it's crawling towards him as he like sinks into the thing. And it's really creepy. Ooh, that's so like so he is like that's a see that's more interesting, like see that's what you were missing. Other than June. Um but like guys who've ever read the Daredevil comic are never gonna love that movie, but the director's cut is closer to It's still got too many stories and too much. Well it seems like a lot to put like Kingpin, Bullseye, and Electra. Those are all giant characters for a first movie where you're not even really growing with the character and and also did it not seem weird to you that the movie opens and then like within three minutes you're in a flashback that goes the length of the entire movie? Yeah The last 20 minutes are the only part that's not a flashback. Yeah. And and the other thing is in that original i I feel like they were like, you know what? Um nobody's gonna watch this opening with the dumb church and and stick with this stupid movie. So have a bunch of flash forwards where we see stuff that's gonna happen. Oh, yeah. In that opening scene where it's like it's like it's like and there'll be like little images that are gonna be in the movie later as if to say like don't worry we know this is opening on a shot of a city yeah but don't worry guys there's gonna be fights and bullseyes in this it was really crazy to like a dumb way to be like, we gotta keep him entertained. It's like you just were thirty seconds into the film. Like Yeah, they're showing you climp glimpses of fights from the last ten minutes of the movie. Now what was going on with all of the medicine he's taking. Aaron Ross Powell Well he's hurt. Because they wanted to make it feel because he's supposed to just be a real guy like you and I. But he's leaping around all night long and like getting in fights with people. And by the way, he's not even leaping at certain certain times in this movie. He's like flying. Like he him and Electra, they don't like they have like superhero jumps. They're not believable. There's that scene at the end where he's fighting bullseye and he leaps like twenty feet up into the air. In the comics he's usually like he's I mean it's a comic book. He he he leaps more than you should. But he's got stuff that he's propelling. Yeah. They have that scene. I feel like they have that scene in Nolan's Batman too where he is h is r has to recover from the fights that he has because taking like Vicadin or Yeah, he's thinking Percocet was one of the things. I loved the idea that they were just taking a million. Have you ever taken a dry pill? Never. Have you ever accidentally bit an aspirin . It's the worst feeling ever. Was that in the directors cut him chewing an aspirin? Oh , orange , orange. Guys, have you ever pulled out your own tooth in the shower? I totally forgot that. What was that? No, okay. Why does he pull his own tooth out? I have had a lot of dental work in the last several years. If you're pulling a molar out, you're going to the dentist the next day. You've got to get another molar presenter. Like he's got to develop TMJ problems. Here's the other thing. If he had been dealing with that, when you have pain like that in your teeth, you can't focus on anything else but that pain until that tooth filled. Unless you're daredevil, man. Yeah. He's able to block out tooth pain, but not the subway. Yeah. For his entire life. Again, the the subway was a shock to him. And I felt like in this movie, the rain was also a like he's like, oh, the rain kind of helps me out here. Like it seemed like that was the full thing. He doesn't need the rain in the comics. He no and that's radar sense works. The only time his radar sense doesn't work if there's nothing to bounce off of. So if he's like above the skyscra pers like falling from a plane he would have no idea where he's going. Right. But his radar sense in the comic books at least basically he has like a three D picture and he can see s the reason it's an advantage is because he can see what's in the next room. Right. Otherwise it would just be like, oh, he can see behind him too, which would be better. But I also want to I want to talk about really get into the meat of the romance here. This Electra First of all, I wanna just wrap up the one thing about Quesada when he lets Quesada get killed and Joe Pan Joey Pants' Ben Yurik shows up and he's like, Oh, it's Daredevil, and they're like, How do you know that? That's an urban legend, and he goes, Oh, I don't know, and he flicks his cigarette. And Daredevil has apparently left a gasoline double D in the ground. Which, by the way, I was like, what the fuck? Is it comic? It is um it the way it should be reflected in his glasses is the mirror image , but in his glasses it's the forward image, which someone just pointed out is a since it's a digital effect, that's a ten thousand dollar mistake. Like somebody didn't have to figure out the right way to put it in his glasses. That just to me, didn't seem like the daredevil I know and love. Like I feel like he's not a He's not that cocky. When did he have that chance to like yeah to like drink? But by the way Also, if you're gonna be Daredevil and and let a guy die, that's the time to not sign your work when you've like when you've got the rapist hanging from the thing outside city hall with a confession. Like then you're like, by the way, this is done by Daredevil. Like not like not I've killed someone in cold blood. That's when you run away. Now my eyes definitely glazed over a few times in this movie, and I'm wondering, did they ever draw the the parallel of the how um whatchamacallit Ben Yurix like had he found out it was Matt Murdoch? D id the Yeah the um the Kevin Smith scene. Oh yeah. Just from that he's able to figure it out. Yeah, because he sees uh he meets Matt Murdoch and uh Matt Murdoch is like hold this for a second. Right. Hold this for a second. He looks at it and goes, Oh, nice color. Nice color. And then he sees it again. No. And then he sees it again with Kevin Smith, also a Daredevil writer. Yeah. And then he yeah, who I guess, you know, wrote the wrote the the stuff that imagery was taken from. And uh Kevin Smith is the reason why Ben Affleck is Daredevil. Apparently recommended him. Originally the part was offered to Vin Dies el. Really? Yes. Oh, wait,, sor sorryry, sorry, sorry. Oh, no I'm sorry. Uh I got confused. Wow. Bullseye. Oh bullshull. But Matt Damon was one of the people. I have a yes, I had a few uh daredevils. I gotta find them now. But yes, uh well here it was. Um it's see, it was uh Matt Damon, Ed Norton, and Guy Pierce were all up for Daredevil, and Cuba Gooding Jr. wanted the lead but was never approached. I would have loved it. I think all of those people would have been just as good as Ben Affleck, except for Vin Diesel, would not have been a good Derrick. No, uh Darren Vin Diesel would have been a porter. Having seen him as a lawyer in that other movie, find me. I will say this though, I don't think that Ben Affleck is bad in this movie. No, I don't so at all. Um I don't think so. We're all doing we we all are doing like I don't think he was that bad at all. Oh no , we're all doing high pitched voice. He's an Academy Award winner, Jason. That means we're lying. That means we're afraid of him. He would not I would not have picked him for my choice, I don't think. But I actually plays it pretty straight. The director's cut he's actually really good in, I think, because there's a lot more of him in it. And apparently that was the original studio cut that everybody was happy with. And I think that's the one that Kevin Feige , who now runs Marvel Studios, was working on this movie in a low in a lower capacity as a producer under a before they realized that like superhero movies are the future and they before Kevin got to the point where he could actually be in charge and go, let's not just like you know there is a let's let's follow the comics a little bit more and build our own world but but um like I read something like Affleck had to wear contact lenses that he was actually blind in all those scenes, which is kind of amazing. I actually for one sketch in Human Giant, I wore those Milky Cards because I my my eyes were supposed to be burnt out. And it is the most frightening thing ever to put things into your eye that make you a few. And then you're blind. It is shapes even. Like you're you're it's basically like white. Oh. Like someone just spray painted over your eyes. Like you can see white, but nothing else. Oh it's scary. So it is a he did a good thing. I think that must have been what I really connected to because to see a man be so vulnerable like that and to be blind and he's also a superhero, to me, and maybe other women feel this was like what could be better what could be better because he's also I know he can see certain things but he's not basing his feelings on like women's looks either I mean I knowticus finch too. He took payment in like a wheel of cheese or something. Well, my favorite my favorite joke of the whole movie, which is when Foggy and Matt Murdoch are in their office and like they're complaining about people paying them in fish and cheese. Favreau And by the way, Favreau lucky to get two sidekick characters in Marvel films. Uh I was wondering when I realized he was in this, I was wondering like, oh, is this the beginning of like him and Kevin's relationship that then leads to Iron Man. Yeah. What did he do that got him Iron Man? Like Uh Jumanji II. Jumanji two. Yeah, like Z uh Zas Rustra or whatever. Zathora. Oh yeah, that thing. That's yeah. Uh 'cause before that his last movie was Elf. Yeah. Yeah. But then look at the Captain America movie. It's the Russo brothers she wouldn't have picked. Yeah. And everything I've seen from that movie looks amazing. I can't I'm jazzed about that. So excited. Um Well let's not get off topic because we'll see. Okay, so what I was gonna say is so the director's cut version apparently they screened that and every woman in the audience connected to the romance and wanted more of that, and that's why they cut a half an hour of the movie and they add it in a but the director's cut doesn't have like two or three scenes that are in the theatrical. Well, that are all the romance. He pr pretty much meets Electra, and then the next scene is like, I've always wanted to bring you up here to the roof. It's like, wait, you just met her. You've always wanted to bring her to this roof in Hell's Kitchen. Like there's a couple like weird connections like that. And then uh for me, I'm not as well versed in Electra, so you guys can maybe help with this. It seems to me th like dish where are her superpowers coming from because she is a ninja. She's trained ninja. Okay, but is she a ninja? Is she a trained ninja before her father is killed? Because it seems like then she has like that little montage scene where she's just a little bit in the comic book she was Matt Murdoch's girlfriend in college pre-law. Okay . And her dad was a r was a Greek ambassador who got murdered during like some sort of terrorist standoff that was very similar to the uh uh Munich uh thing where there was like these guys seized the building he was in and he stood up at the wrong moment and got shot, and then Electra leaves, and ten or fifteen years later she comes back and she's an assassin who used to be a ninja. Okay. And that's how she's introduced in the comic as Matt's ex-girlfriend who's now a bad girl. She's like she's a villain. She's a villain for many. She's she's a villain and then she goes good because she realizes Daredevil is Matt Murdoch who is the one love of her life. And so she starts to become good . And in the comic she actually dies trying to save Foggy. Oh really? That's why Bullseye ends up killing her in the comic Putting the scythe through her killing. And the directory's cut, that's actually in the movie. It's in the it's in the regular it's in the movie too. No, the in the director's cut there's a wide shot that you can see the the back of her shirt sticking out of the case. Oh, yeah. But that's a weird thing. It's like you're taking images from a lot of disparate things and going, oh well re-recreate that image, but it's out of context. Didn't she mention it when they're walking on the street? Where'd you learn to fight like that. Yeah, exactly. She goes, My dad or something, something, he said he makes me train with a different sensei every year since I was five. But now she just hangs a bag of sand. Yeah. See then she goes all of her I mean that had to be her doing all of this. Wait before she's amazing Yeah, she was already kick-ass . But here's my issue with that character, and it's a big, big flaw, which is, and again, maybe I missed it. I don't think I did. I don't think you did. Bullseye clearly, bullseye clearly kills her father. Yeah. And then she is blaming Matt. Like she's like, she's shooting or Daredevil. I think she don't saw it. How did she not see it there? I don't know, but it's very clear that she 's on the ground. She sees it go over her head. She but she doesn't she didn't notice when he throws the throwing stars as he's standing on the motorcycle, which for some reason? Yes, can still be. I could spend an hour talking about just bullseye. Yes. And the insanity that was this character. The peanut on the plane or peacon? What is that? Yes. That was crazy. How do you kill someone with one nut? Was it a nut out? She choked. No. She choked. She choked on something that small. It hit her so hard in the back of her throat. That's what I imagine. She couldn't. She just died of shock. He's a real he's a real jokester. Oh, I kind of liked his performance. I loved his joke. I thought it was so insane. It was like hiring Orson Wells to play for it. I felt like it was like loved it. I felt like I'm, a cartoon. Yeah. Like you know, it's like I'm like he's like, oh yeah, this is a cartoon movie. I'm a cartoon. He has a move, which he does throughout the movie that I feel like he went up to the director beforehand beforehand and he was like, hey, you know what I figured out? The thing on my head, I'm gonna treat it like a nipple. So I'm gonna like touch it. I'm gonna touch it like ooh, yeah. He multiple times like fingers the bullseye on his head like it's ex and is like excited. That and the the sound effect they put in for when he puts his jacket on, there's like a rattlesnake sound. I was like, what the fuck is going on? He might have a rattlesnake in there that he throws accurate. I would love that. That would be a little bit how does he get that bullseye imprint in the comic books? Or is it everyone? That was not that was that was for the movie actually. In the comic book, he wore a costume that had a bullseye right there. And then when the movie came out, actually, my friend Brian Bendis was writing the comic at the time , and to try to make bullseye match the character from the movie more, he had a scene where like Daredevil beats the crap out of him and then takes a rock and like carves the bullseye in his for him. Which I thought was really badass at the time. I kinda like I don't mind that scar on his head. I thought that was a good thing because it you can't have a lot of people in costumes running around in a movie, especially when you've got like Daredevil's costume looked, you know what really less ridiculous than you'd expect. It was just red leather and it just was like a cow, but never is never in a costume. Like she never wears the re signature kind of red kind of Electra costume. Yeah, she doesn't have her headgear or anything. Um the and Michael Clark, Duncan is dressed like Kingpin who looks exactly Kingpin but by the way, best performance . Michael I mean when he when he gets his knees kicked out in the final fight scene, that scream that I I want want that image just frozen for life. That's somebody somebody make a gif is it a gif or a gif? A gif a gif of that for Paul, please. Just of just his knees being broken and that scream , that like that monster scream. But like um he's an intimidate I liked it when he took when he got went mono a mono with uh Daredevil. Yeah. But again that's all that's why is he the one who kills Matt Murdoch's d That's like that first the Keaton Batman movie where it turns out the Joker. It's like no, the Joker didn't make Batman. Yeah, you don't have to tie it. They made a bunch of Batman references in this, I feel like. Not like Batman with a boner. I mean like Daredevil is Marvel's Batman. He's Marvel's kind of human vigilante kind of kind of character, morally ambiguous. guy who swings around. But here they like they kill his dad out in the back alleyway just like um But that happened in the but I feel like it went down more like the alleyway shooting of the parents. Then there are a bunch of bats that fly out of the church organ. I was like, what the fuck is going on? This is weird. Enjoy the sunshine with sales on grill ready favorites from Whole Foods Market. Take cookouts to sizzling new heights with their marinade at salmon and made-inuse-ho marinated beef and chicken. Entertain with low price 365 brand chips and dips like hummus and guacamole. And sweeten every party with brown butter chocolate chip cookies. Remember to pack the cooler with probiotic sodas, sparkling waters, and more. Summer savings await you at Whole Foods Market. 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Head to your DSW store or DSW.com today and let us surprise How bad must you feel like if you're a Ben Affleck and you're like, I got this good script, and then all of a sudden this is what it's become. It's still a bit of a mess. It's still it still you know ha opens with with him starting to talk to a priest and then cuts to in fact the d the flashback is an extra twenty minutes longer. Yeah. Because it literally, it's only when after after Electra gets killed and Matt drops into that church that it comes back to where the movie began. Right. And now I remember the first time I was watching the movie. I literally called my wife and I'm like, look at this. This is an hour and fifteen minutes Well I would kept on waiting for like the main narrative to kick in too. Like and that was it. And it was like, if finally you finally okay, now I know we're going to be gonna start. Now I know. And it's like, oh, we have only 20 minutes to go. Okay, well, I guess this is it. Okay. What the hell happens in that opening bar scene? What is he doing to that guy when he's sticking something? Paper clips. Paper clips. He shoots paper clips in the guy's throat? Yes. Yes. I guess a lot of things acupuncture was like. No, he kills him. He definitely kills him. But there's no blood or anything. Bullseye repeatedly does what I would consider to be amateur magic tricks. Yes. Like he shows the guy a paper clip, then he puts his hand in front of it, pulls his hand away, and the paper clip is unfolded. Yes. And like and everybody's looking at him like, what the fuck's this about? And then he like shoots he like flicks the paper clip at the guy and it goes into his throat. And I'm not twenty of them. Then he has mo twenty more undone unfastened paper clips. Don't let him into your office. Is he like that? Stealer of Bush. Again, and uh you know, there there are certain versions of this comic that I have read, and again, Daredevil is not does he do that with every in like is he can Bullseye is bullseye is deadly with anything in his hand. Yeah. Bulldog anything. He did do its the thing where he rubber band paper clipped a fly that was bugging him for the phone. Okay, so all right, so he's multi-fasting. Okay. But what's weird is he throws a card at one point, which is a gambit move. Yes, I thought that was so much. Oh, okay, the throwing cards, yeah, it was like I guess whoever created Bullseye, I think it was Marv Wolfman. Okay. The guy who created Blade. Um I think he when he was doing uh Daredevil, he he created Bullseye. Okay. And I think he's thrown cards the entire time 'cause he must have I th I saw that and I was like Well Zai, that's a gambit move, but he got out of the says his cover to travel the world to kill people. He's got he just Ricky J with bangs . The uh but yeah this this um I was just looking through some of my notes. I wrote down that this movie feels like a shitty video game version of a good movie. Yeah. Like it's like it it just feels like I'm watching weird cutscenes A scene that took four days to shoot. Really? Four twelve hour days were committed to that sequence, which looks like garbage. Garbage. Like like you said, like let's just check through it. Let's walk through it. All the fight scenes look a little bit slower than they should be actually The theyy didn't just speed it up in the editing.. That's what I thought too There's a scene where he's like where where Electra's shooting at him after after she thinks he killed her dad for some reason. And she picks up that gun and just starts blam blam blam. And he's like running away and very slowly leaping up a wall. And I was like, that's the slowest parkour I've ever seen. If he was moving that slowly, you would one hundred percent shoot him. Yeah. She couldn't have missed by the way, she's a ninja . She's a ninja. But not a gun ninja. Notice if she had thrown a knife at him, she probably would have hit him. I buy that. All right. They have they have the dance scene. The so they have they they they they have a meet cute where like they meet in a bar, in a coffee shop rather, and he follows her out and she's like, Why are you following me? Wait. But he senses her before she walks in, remember? Yeah. And Foggy is like she's hideous. Yeah. And he's like that good, huh? And then he stalks her. Yeah. He really does. Like a real gross up. He asks her her name and she won't give it to him. So he goes out. Uh I could just totally do that. And that's fake your blind. Well here's What if I'm fake blinding like Ben Affleck was? What if I just have to contact it? But then I don't have to commit to that for an entire relationship, that would be terrible. Somebody uh our our clip puller who does a great job, she actually cut they really want to emphasize the blind thing and she actually put together um a compilation of how many times a reference he's blind hair. They reference it a lot. Yeah, have a listen to this. They say your whole life flashes before your eyes when you die. And it's true. Even for a blind man. What I saw, I'll never forget. Because it would be the last thing I'd ever see. I had lost my sight. But I got something back in return. Oh my god. That was all in the first two minutes. They just are always referencing and then when he meets when he meets her, we can play that coffee shop scene. Again, they really hit it home. It's like this is a blind guy. This is not the Ben Affleck. I'm sorry. Excuse me. Sure . Uh I was just looking for some honey. Could you help me out? Right in front of you. Dick. Well could you be a little bit more specific? What are you blind? That's how they fall in love. By the way, have you ever said what are you blind to somebody? Ever. She's kind of rude. Like there's another scene when at the ball, at the big ball, she shows up or he sh walks up to her and she That'd be like he's already seen her in the rain and does she know that? Does she understand? He does. He explains it. He explains the whole concept of his sonar. All she needs to do is turn on the sprinklers. Yeah. By the way, if I was Daredevil, I would just move to Seattle because uh then you get to see all the beautiful women all the time. How does he see people in the rain? It doesn't make any sense. In the comic, he just sees shapes. Yeah. Right. He sees he sees the person instead of the road. See, it's even more beautiful. I loved it.. June loved it I know. It's amazing. I was not excited to be a good thing. By the way, I also recognize like the story problem and all of that. But I enjoyed it. But it's so true that the heart of it was a love story. And like if Electra hadn't been involved, would you have liked that movie? Yeah. Yeah. That's what I think. But you would like the director's cut, because the director's cut is way like more uh it's just about being a superhero and the and the troubles of doing it, kind of. So they're talking about a reboot, and these are some interesting names been attached to it. Jason Statham has expressed interest in playing Daredevil. Yeah. Uh Vin Dies el wants to play Kingpin. Yeah. And uh and so someone had uh had put pointed out that maybe we should get the guys that directed uh the crank that would come in and to get Nicholas Cage to be another villain. That's a movie. I would fucking love Nicolas. Nicholas Cage. Kevin Feige has confirmed that the rights are now back to Marvel. So they can do this. This is a I think a movie that could be really cool. Do people an amazing character? Oh no, people are beloved character. And he couldn't figure out how to how to get it going at Fox, I think. A friend of mine was gonna was attached to direct it uh like a couple years ago, and it was just a situation of you know, too many, too many notes, too many different ideas. It's such a simple movie, it could be done like the Batman movies, and it would be just as effective and such as really cool and be really easy. You do Born Again and then you and then you end Born Again. But you do it like a different ending where you throw them in prison and then you do that the reveal story. Yeah, and then the next one is like Daredevil in Prison, which was like my first one. Yeah, that's how you got it out of Bulls. Like Daredevil's in prison with all the bad guys. That's never been done before. That would be an amazing movie, too. That would be a really great street level, you know, because Kingpin's in there and Bullseye's in there and I would like to throw the Punisher in, which means Marvel owns the Punisher. People love Arkham Asylum and all that kind of stuff. It's like, you know, it's like that would be a cool movie. Is there what happened to Daredevil after his father died? Like where did he go? I know he was training, but they trained together, it seemed like. Yeah, in the in the train training montage, by the way, where he's sitting and reading and his dad's just boxing on the roof. And but somehow Matt also learns like that whole water foo like he's sliding down. I'm sorry, like just because you have radar sense, why are you a perfect like ballerina? Oh, no sense. I could not walk in like a bar and You're no longer afraid. I'm a child. Yeah. In the director's cut, do they try to explain that or no? Okay. Because everything else, I mean it's not realistic, but it's grittier. Yeah. And that scene and the scene where he beats up Tony Soprano's kid with the like . Oh my How can he know those poses? Yeah, he really is poses. Yeah, he's literally like an eight-year-old doing like Kong F kung fu movie poses. Obviously, we had uh an opinion about this movie, but there are other people who had uh a slightly better opinion. Now it's June was one of them. June is one of them. This is uh time for second opinions with a brand new theme song. Second opinions ! From top to bottom, crazy movies are fun. They're not your first, but they're gonna be a second. From the tips of Amazon they come . Second opinions for everyone. Second opinions. Alright, so uh Did we get more theme songs? Oh, a lot of great ones. Oh good. I love that theme song. Oh we got new ones. Thank you guys for sending in that theme song. All right, here's some great ones. I actually pulled a few. This is from Ronald W. Knight. He writes: I love this movie, and so did my ex-wife. She never she never liked comics, so that's a great recommendation. I wish I had her back. I wish she hadn't left me. Sometimes I watch this movie and cry because I miss my ex-wife. I don't know who I'm gonna go see Guardians of the Galaxy . Um, this is from Dixie Elder. Michael Clark Duncan is strong. Whenever life is walking all over me, I just watch any scene with Bullseye and laugh my ass off and get back in the groove. Five stars. Wow. All right. This is these, there's so many great ones here. This one, um, this is from Marion Wilson. This film's gotta be the best action movie I've ever seen, barring Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift. A lot of people come down for Tokyo Drift. Yeah, really? I like fast five. Yeah, fast and five and six. Five and six. Seven is gonna be amazing. Kurt Russell, come on. It's James Wan. Yeah, it's gonna be amazing. I especially liked Evanescence's Bring Me to Life video. I love it. The story is original, and I haven't seen any other films about blind superheroes. Have you? Five star.s Wait, is that the song that's played during the montage? Oh God, I hate that song. It's so terrible. And then here are here are just I gotta keep on reading these because they're so good. Jake Edelstein writes, it reminds me that justice is blind in the sense Oh my God. In the sense that there's no discrimination against the rich and the poor, the mighty and the lowly. Unfortunately, that's only in the comic book universe. Rob a 7-E elelevenven and you'll get fifteen years in jail. Swindle billions out of investors, plea bargain and a slap on the wrist. Wall Street needs a daredevil. Five stars. Amazing. And uh Well he's a street level character, so that he could just exist. Just move to New York, Jake Edelstein. And then and then finally from Maxi Cat, he writes, Forget Ben Affleck. That guy's getting married soon. Well, maybe not too soon. Anyway, see this movie to check out the spankin' new Hollywood Golden Boy, Irish heartthrob Colin Farrell. Oh my god. This man is as hot as chili wings and palm springs. Grindin. Oh my god. Plus, he has the acting abilities of a serious talented actor. That's the best. He has the acting abilities of a seriously talented actor. Oh my god. Five stars. Is that from IMDB from when the movie was out? From two thousand and three, January thirtieth, two thousand and three. Why does at the end of the movie, why does Bullseye get stigmata in the church? Oh yeah. Shot through the hands and strikes a Christ pose and has stigmata. I was like, what is this imagery? But they kind of pulled away from it too. Like he kind of does it and basically make him a Christ figure and then Matt Murdoch literally throws him out a window. But remember they're doing the fight after he kills Electra, he starts fighting bulls, uh Daredevil Bulls I start fighting and then there's like a police chopper and there's cops everywhere. So apparently that sniper was just shooting it was like a police sniper just shooting both of them. But shooting just through a he couldn't see through the stained glass window. Yeah Exactly. I don't understand. I'm gonna take a shot. Whatever. I don't know if there's anyone in this chair. I think I got a shot of something. And and Daredevil his radar scent sees it coming and that's how he It's so random. Oh yeah. I had to go back I had to rewind it like several times to get to the point where there were cops there even because I was like, who is this sniper? Is this a kingpin sniper? And why are they yeah, it doesn't work? And then also they kinda in the theatrical version they barely t the priest relationship is like oh yeah, it's and it's gone like 'cause I thought in the beginning like, oh, does he sleep in the church in this? Like cause it seems like he's uh like I yeah. The other thing that I loved was in the church when bullseye breaks the stained glass window above him and catches pieces of their plates. Like chilly will be like in a pie. Chilly Willy Willy catching pancakes in a guy . He literally catches stacks of glass and then uses them to like throw and spin. And I was like, this is so stupid. And this is a this is in the era where they were al they had already made all three Lord of the Rings movies and people knew how to do green screen. Yeah. Where you're reacting to things that aren't there and they're still having him catch falling plates. Well, um there was something really interesting. They said that uh because Superman did such a a good thing, they raised the budget from fifty million, that was the shooting budget, and they pushed it to eighty for thirty million dollars of special effects to enhance the visuals. Which uh you know look that stained glass window scene really really showed that up. Yeah. Half the m uh like the early stuff when he's a kid when his dad is uh I can't remember who p who who plays his dad. I forget his name. I'll find out right now He's got a name that sounds exactly like a David Keith. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, David Keith and Keith David always became confused. So David Keith is doing like a Popeye face. Yeah. Like, eh Matt, you can't fight for people. But like all those scenes look like they're filmed on green screen to me. Yeah. Like all the there's like a hard line around all the characters, like it feel it almost felt like someone was putting their hand on you and pushing you away from this from the movie. Don't be connected to this. Don't be connected to this . Don't be engaged. I'm gonna tell you what this movie is about. And then at some point that just stops and he's like an adult and a lawyer. Yeah. That's why it's like it's so confused. It was like they didn't commit to just doing a Daredevil movie without an origin story. Because in a way I almost feel like I could go without an origin story. You don't need to really know I think it like it felt like that's what they were doing. Would you recommend this movie? That's the question.