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This week we are talking about the 1994 film Drop Zone with Wesley Snipes . Uh, it's kind of like point break, but less complicated and oddly more confusing. Uh, if you want to know what happens and you have not seen the movie, brief setup, uh, you got Wesley Snipes, he is uh trying to transport this prisoner, uh, Michael Jeter to prison, but in the middle of their flight, uh they are hijacked by terrorists uh led by Gary Busey, who uh not only take the prisoner but, also kill Wesley Snipes' partner, and brother . And partner and brother. And brother. And and long story short, uh Wesley Snipes uh has to team up with a bunch of skydivers to uncover a plot of a former DE agent who is using uh skydiving to break into big buildings. Anyway, welcome to the show, my two co-hosts. Just that. Just the just you attempting to get through the explanation was incredible. Oh my gosh. Uh please welcome Jason Manzuka S and June Diane Rayfield. How are you both? Wow. I mean, just watched it. Just watched it. Just finished. I've I I probably won't be the same for the rest of my life. It's so interesting because I just finished well, actually not just I say, you know, it's three o'clock right now, probably finish at two thirty. And then I immediately, and I mean immediately. Needed a nap. Yeah. It's exhausting. And it put it it put me to bed. I wasn't tired watching it, but like something happened to me or a good bed. It makes you feel like you're breathing thin air in the atmosphere. So many things happening in the sky for no reason. Oh yeah. By the way, I'd also argue that this is a movie about parachuting that does not understand how parachutes work. Yep. Especially in the third act, because parachutes are being reopened, closed, pulling people while they're walking. There's a lot of parachute work. Sorry, Paul, I know you just said it, but I've already it's already escaped my mind. What year? Well, I this is what I wanted to talk to you about. Because it feels like it f yeah, the movie feels like its parachutes are brand new. Well, that's the thing that's absolutely wild. Uh I don't believe that parachuting is new, but it feels like it feels like they're talking about it like rollerblades. Yes. Like do you know what this culture have you heard of it? It feels like extreme sports, you know, or something like that. I'm gonna ask I I you know and I'm sure I'm wrong. I would have Googled this, but I had to go to sleep. It yeah is skydiving a competitive sport? I don't know. And I mean I'm certain there must have been weirdos trying to do stunts and nonsense, but like the the the DC um the third act event that all of the teams from all over the country, including the good guys team and the bad guys team, are all at like a competition or a sh an exposition or a showcase? I don't know what it is. They get to parachute into a fireworks display, which seems uh ill advisorable. It's very dangerous. Terrible one spot you shouldn't parachute . And I mean Well the reason why, but this so here's the thing, because I was also I was obsessed with the fact that like the big event was at D in DC, first of all. Like why? Oh on by the way, for just to just for time's sake, not to time stamp this, I don't know when this episode will come out, but on the on the mall, on the reflecting pool, they're parachuting into the Washington Monument as we are currently tearing it out of the ground. That's right. But I hear here's the thing. I can understand well can I understand? Uh if there's the biggest event in the skydiving community, I can see it in like Hawaii or you know, coast some some place where it's like, oh, the the landscape is so gorgeous to look at . DC , one of the reasons, measure DC, one of the reasons they said it w uh aside from it being the fourth of July, okay . But okay, but one of the reasons they want DC is because they never have access to the airspace. Correct. Right. Because the reason why that accident did just recently happen in D C rowded air space. Very crowded airspace. So this is the moment that they can finally get to see the beauty of D C from above. Well, I think that what the we're meant to believe is that um the skydiving event, them creating this uh uh uh uh geometric pattern of people in the sky And they sent one one pattern. One pattern on the ground, not the skydivers. I don't think this is like, hey, we're gonna get a great view. I think it's for the people on the ground to look up and be like, oh, I guess they're in concentric circles. My mind is blown. Like I don't understand. Why did we so it's cool. It's for the people, but it's also for the skydivers. Like they it's sort of like we're putting on a show, but we also get to audition to be in the show. That seems to be a big part of it but here's my question so the they auditioned for it and that's when well during the audition sequence that's when one of our our teams, the good guys one, of them gets her midair, sabotage midair. Yeah. Okay, fine. Second sabotage. He's out. So we are talking about the third act of this movie. I know. We will get back. We will get back to the back. We'll go back, we'll go all the way back, don't worry. But just know just know this. Then both teams, I guess, move forward to go . Well, there's a lot of people in the in the big diamond design. Yeah. So then we're in the actual show. And to my surprise, that's at n ighttime. Okay. But I guess when you see the fireworks. So why isn't there ever a shot though? When you see their sky suits, they have lights on them, which I thought was kind of cool. But we never see them from the audience's perspective from the ground. We never spend that time because the drop has nothing to do with the crime. Right? The drop like they just need to get up in the air space . So they can 't we see I know but they do make that shape? Why couldn't we see that shape from the ground? I agree a hundred percent with you, June, and I also thought it was very strange, and I think the reason is because they're using this fourth of July event on the mall on the at the reflecting pool as if it is what they're jumping into. But the action of the movie is actually not taking place there. So I don't think they wanted to stalk the mall with I think that's just B roll. I don't think they wanted to stock the mall with people, pay for extras, pay it'd be so big for the for our good guys and bad guys just to go to the DEA building instead of the mall. Now I will say this. You know what I mean? Uh, you know, we don't we're not getting into politics here, but when this movie was shot, it looks like people are treating that mall disgustingly. Like there's a guy juggling fire batons in it, somebody's like walking in it, somebody bike riding in it. Talk about drain the swamp. Drain the swamp. The single person in the pool up to his waist juggling pins on fire blew my entire mind. I was obsessed with the guy, two two people who had were on bikes in the reflecting. That's that's they were going upstream. They were going upstream like trying to ride their bikes upstream in the water. Yeah. What was this? What the fuck felt like a Saturday afternoon. Now, here's what I'll tell you. Because the the original question that got us off on this, and yes, we'll be talking about skydiving a lot. When was skydiving invented? Well, people say the person who invented it? Leonardo da Vinci. That's right. Leonardo da Vinci is conceive the idea. Who's from the movie that we did where uh Hudson Hawk was it? Hudson Hawk was it? Yeah, so uh so basically, um the first official parachute jump was in 1797 . 1797. And I will say that looking through the history of skydiving and jumping, it seems like the 70s became a very big part of like more recreational jumps. Um, and then there was like this in the 70s, it was uh doing a lot more of these formations. And then according to this website, Skydive New England, in 1982, that was a huge year for skydiving because they invented the three-ring system, uh, which was a better to not have accidents. And it really does seem that 89 is the last ye ar of true skydiving innovation, which was, and these are all ways to prevent you from dying. Like uh 83 and eighty nine basically the big inventions are things to prevent your shoot from not opening. But it like as far as like pop culture. Like safety features and like so it be it became something not just for like the military and or like true daredevils. It could be anybody could take a class on a weekend and you could skydive, you know. And let me say something because I know we've spoken pretty negatively about the movies so far and I wanna offer something posit ive. So for a few years, probably two years, I worked at Puck Fair in New York City and one of the bartenders was a skydiver . He's from Australia. And the intense energy that was coming off of him and this sort of mania, I'll say it, behind his eyes, bright blonde hair, look like Gary B. I did I didn't. Okay. But they did capture a certain quality about these skydivers. Oh and an adrenaline junkie. I agree. And I thought they did a great job of this. Um only to be outdone, I would say, by point break. You know? Yes. Yes. Another Gary Bucey skydiving movie about heist. Yes. By the way. This is so weird. By the way, point break came out three years earlier than this. Earlier. That's what I was thinking about. Earlier. So this is like point break came out in nineteen ninety one. This came out in nineteen ninety-four. I feel like Bu cy was like, oh man, I'm bummed. I I had to be a good guy in point break. I want to be one of the bad guys, so I'll do this one. We I really want to say this and I, mean this in all earnestness. Go ahead. I think we are missing out on an opportunity. How have we done so few Gary Bucey movies? I think he is, he's gotta have a a library, a catalog of movies we should be doing. Summer of Beauty. Maybe it should be Summer Summer. Oh my god. Yeah. Son of Beauty Summer. Oh my God. Hot Beauty Summer. I agree. He is compelling on screen. Electric. Absolutely electric. His death in this movie is a great tight close. He is falling from the building, and you get a tight close-up of his face, and he is known to have a big mouth and a big jaw. Like he is going for it. I did a movie. Oh yeah. I did a movie with Gary Buse y. And yeah. And uh and I was never on set at the same time, but when I first came to set, um, the lead actor had a um a neck brace on, and I said, uh , what happened here? And he said, um Gary Busey was flirting with uh my girlfriend in the movie and uh he saw me as a threat because in the movie I'm her boyfriend and he kicked me in the throat. Oh my God . Well by the way there is that moment at the bar yes, there's a moment at the bar scene where he's excited about something, I don't know what's happening, and he kisses the woman on their team. Yes. And I felt for sure that that was just that was not scripted that was nobody designed. That's a c that's what they call a classic Lucy Busey. That was a thousand percent a Lucy Busey. A Lucy Beauty indeed. Now I'll tell you this much. I want to put two things here because this is how I feel about this movie. This whole movie is Lucy Boosey because this is Wesley Snipes at the peak of his career. Like just listen to this. Like he's doing Mo Beta Blues, New Jack City, Jungle Fever, White Man Can't Jump, Passenger fifty seven, boiling point, rising sun, demolition man, drop zone. Right? So these are like he is a box office star. And there is a tax evasion. Well, yes, that that's coming. That's later. Yeah. He did build a pyramid. I believe there is a phone. But I wonder if these movies are the movies he didn't claim. Checks he was trying to object . Now I will tell you this: that there's an energy of him in this movie that feels like I am untouchable. I will do whatever I want, which means I'm gonna wear what I want and I'm gonna say what I want. Because when you open up on that scene of Wesley Snipes and his brother, Malcolm Jamal Warner, uh, as they're in the car, I'm like, this wasn't scripted. This is just two guys. I mean, listen to it. You gotta be sick of those tired two-month relations hips. Problem is you're not meeting the right kind of woman. A woman who'll run with the wolves. Somebody who'd at least keep you interested. Run with the wolves. Yeah. I mean I told you about watching too much of that Oprah shit. Come on, Pete. A little excitement's not gonna kill you. Terry, I like the women nice, quiet, and dull. You know what I'm saying? Not like that Mongolian feminist that you set me up with. You don't think Mongolian femin ist was scripted ? I mean, right? It was like, what it like I was literally looking, like, this is the first time we're meeting these guys. There's nothing in here that gives me like any re like and I'm like, and that's what this whole movie feels like it just feels like wesley snipes is like i'll i'll drive a car like this sometimes sometimes i'm gonna drive a motorcycle and then when they ask me where my car is i'm like don't worry about it. Like it's like there are there there's just like he feels like he is running around. Thank you for saying that Paul, because I almost rewinded and I was like, did I miss a scene where he lost his car? Nope. No. feels the movie is basically like don't worry about it. You're dumb. Don't just just let just let us let's just let us cook. You know, it it almost feels like they they shot it, you know, over the course of years or something. And you know, like it feels so and it's i this is a John Batam movie. This is a very good like journeyman director. Um, this is like I understand how we got to make this movie and why like a top of his game, Wesley Snipes would be like, Absolutely, I want to do this . A point break style action, you know, um uh daredevil. Uh what's so interesting though is that he allowed himself to be scared. You know, like he didn't like it. He didn't want he wasn't like like Keanu Reeves in point break gets in he's just as much of a junkie as the bad guys are. You know what I mean? Like he gets into it. But Wesley Snipes is not only bad at this, he's scared of it. Well and that's and to me, the best part of this movie, and I want to play just a section of it, is Wesley Snipes' ADR lines or his grunts and groans as he's falling because he does really go for he's like, well here. Come back . Come back . And it's all like, uh , uh, uh, uh, uh, ooh. Help me, help me. I've never seen anyone so scared in a movie and I loved it. Well what I loved about it too is like when we talk we talk so often about like how modern action stars, your Vin Diesels, your the Rocks, your people are unwilling to lose a fight, unwilling to take a punch, unwilling to get knocked down, unwilling to unwilling to hit a woman in the face. But Wesley Snipes is like, I'm no, no, please, let me be fearful, let me be bad at this. Let me be . And I'm like, this would never happen now that he would somehow fall out of a plane and have to ask for help and be rescued by the the woman who is like who by the way, he' firsts in a plane crash where his brother dies , and then he's immediately in a prop plane with the skydiving crew. And um what's what's the woman's name? Yancey um uh Yancy Butler. Yancy But ler just hits a button and drops him out of the airplane without telling me. He's sitting like bald up with his knees to his chest. I'm like, it's it was such a emasculating pose for an action movie that dropped. Well that's the thing that's tricky about skydiving uh in in action movies is and I I this is where I have sympathy for the movie. I mean I I guess point break was able to do it a lot more successfully, but y there's so much goofy looking stuff, right? So it's like you look pretty silly with your suit on. You look really silly when you're just flying down like looking like a flying squirrel pose. And then once you have to put your parachute up, you look like a little kid. When you have someone on your back, that's funny and silly. W you know there's no way when you land on the ground that's funny 'cause you you fall on the ground. Like there's nothing even even when you're steering back and forth, it's pretty goofy. It's like there's nothing cool. And then when you well there's a number of instances where someone needs to be rescued mid-air. Yes. And the person has somebody has to like zoo. The only time it's cool is when the parachute isn't open and the person gets all tight and is like like zoomed. Yes. That's the one it's cool shot too of Gary Buse y, I think, one of the bad guys, thought it was him. W hehen he before pulls this parachute out, he corkscrews down like them into a cloud, like truly a corner. And I was like, okay, that's cool. But that was it. It's it. And like when they have to like rescue each other, they end up basically just trying to get into a like a 69 position. Yes. They're always like they're always throwing their legs over. They're always doing like mid-air 69. And I'm like, you're this is not cool looking . She hooks her feet through his arms and then they kind of like do a like a somersault backwards. I'm like, what? I like, oh, she missed it. Oh no, I guess that was part of the rescue today's podcast is brought to you by our friends over at squarespace you know i love squarespace because with squarespace everything that you need to succeed online is in one spot from claiming your domain to building a beautiful website, promoting your work and taking payments. It's all there whether you're just starting out or ready to grow. Easily create a standout site using designer templates or AI with drag and drop editing. It makes everything so easy. I have so many sites. 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And what I found absolutely confounding is that nobody on the ground ever seems to notice giant I mean, those things, those parachutes are twenty feet long. They're parachuting into the middle of cities. So it's like it's nobody sees them. So obvious. It's so obvious. And by the way, nobody sees them, but in this movie, this is a movie where nobody sees or reacts to anything in the in the opening of the movie, which we've discussed, um uh Wesley Snipes and his brother are marshals, they're escorting a prisoner on a 747. And as a number of people say in the movie, there is a jailbreak on the in the midair on a 74 7. And what's happening is everybody's in their seats. And then the whatever the timer goes off. And whatever six or eight people just start putting gas masks on and loading g uns and everybody else in the plane is like, What's that? What's going on? And then there are gunshots, and Wesley Snipe still is like, What's going on? Something's up. I I feel like something's up. Nobody has nobody is good enough to be like something's wrong. You know what I mean? Like no the usually the cop or the the hero is kind of has like an intuition or an understanding. The only reason why Wesley Snipes gets up is because the flight attendant tells him that you know that something's going on and she needs to bring it or flirts with him. He gets up and falls. It's really and by the way, I do want to spend some time talking about whether whether Wesley Snipes and his brother are good Marshalls? Oh, this is this is a great question. Yeah, because well, first of all, I was trying to also think like they do present Wesley Snipes when he is doing in the bathroom sequence later on, all these he takes on two guys. He's got a lot of moves. Hand to hand cop he he's doing all this stuff and I'm like , don't US Marshals just escort people on planes? And aren't they just like armed security guards? Well, they're sort of. They're they I mean, I think there's a and somebody will correct me. I don't think they are air marshals, i.e., they're on airplanes just making sure everything's okay. I think they're U.S. Marshals like the U Transporting prisoners for sure. But Yes, and like hunting down escaped prisoners and like um justified, like Raylan Givens on Justified. They are they don't seem to have any control. Michael Jeter's sitting on an aisle seat. That Michael Jeter is the the escaped or the the prisoner that they're trying to project from evening shade. That's how I remember him. And uh he remember that like's how I I he's so burnt into my head because I hated that show as a kid, but I just remember him on that show. Um but but like they don't seem to be And he's your classic nerd character. He's a nerd. Beautiful. n They kidnap theerd so that he's a computer hacker. So that and I not enough was done with Michael Jeter because they keep forcing him to do skydiving, which is very funny. Well, because they need to force him to do skydiving to get him ready to parachute onto buildings so they can do the break in to steal different things. And they need him to be like modulated. Like he needs to be like he needs to be calm enough to be able to then do it. That was funny. It was funny. Should I just say though, I feel like there's easier ways to get into that building. I mean the funniest gotta be the funniest part was like they go through the trouble of having fake uniforms, fake security uniforms on under their sky suits. It's like, well, you should have just tried to get in the building. Or maybe, maybe if you need it. Maybe one incredible skydiver gets access and then lets everybody else in on the ground. Like the idea that the entire team, including the computer hacker, who is not part of the team . They just they just stole from a prison transport. The fact that they need him they need everybody to skydive is so funny to me in a way that is like wild. It's the the same era I feel like was treating stuff like um bungee jumping in a sense like I almost felt like and now I guess it would be those squirrel suits. Those those uh presented to us. It's presented to us as though it was like, oh, you can use a scooter, you can use your rollerblades, you can use I guess you could walk, you could drive, you could take a bus, or or you could skydive. Yeah. Yeah. Well I mean the other thing is don't they also like set up this moment where they meet this one guy and then he looks like he's falling off the building like, oh, he's got a secret parachute on. Do you mean swoop, Paul? Do you mean swoop? Swoop. I'm sorry, swoop. Swoop who won't even talk. Swoop is I fuck ing love swoop. Swoop from homicide on the street. Oh yeah. But like swoop won't talk to you unless you do a jump with him, and it's gotta be a good jump. But but when he 's the distinction, because he he does do a jump with Wesley and then he still doesn't talk to him. He does at the very end. At the very end, he calls him by his first name, and that is like, okay, he's in. Now I don't want to sound like my father, John Rayfield, but I't couldn tell one of these guys from the next. When they presented swoop, like, oh, look at this character, this new character, I'm like, well, I'm so sorry. He looks exactly the same as the last five that I just saw. And part of the problem was that we are like, for example, let's just continue to use point break as the as the thing. It is Gary Busey and Keanu Reeves are the police. They insert uh uh Keanu Reeves into the the bad guy crew, right? Right. But in this movie, Wesley Snipes needs to have his own crew of sky so there's two different full sets of skydiving crews. That's right. So what you're you're looking at like ten, eleven, sometimes twelve people in very similar looking jumpsuits. Who also have no real character. It's I mean it's Gary Busey and it's the other woman.' Ths aere bad woman and there's a good woman. And then there is like swoop. And then everybody else is just like bald guy, this guy. Jagger. Jagger who who gets killed. Um Swoop who's swoop who's got a beard, there's good looking blonde guy, um, and there's little Frank Grillo. You know? Um Well, it was just hard because it was also like at one point Wesley's like really upset in that bathroom scene and has a line like you fucked with my team, you fucked with me you fuck with me, something like that. And I was like, Your team. Yeah. Your team? Oh okay. I did I miss half of the movie? Yeah. And then he also doesn't really seem to skydive in that final sequel. Like it doesn't lead up to him really being a part He does you're right, until the very end. With Gary Busey when he Yes, because the guy gets you know, like uh Well, can I ask though, yes, how is it possible? So Gary Busey falls out, they fall together , and then Gary Busey goes shooting toward the ground and then somehow though goes travels sideways. Yeah. In to a car. Into no, into the truck that is being driven by his guy. Which is also padded. It's a padded truck. So they did have to put like a bunch of mattresses on all sides because it is a real stunt. And I was like, oh man, this is painful because they are clanking into the side of this like oh, well, what the I mean, what I think is supposed to be happening. We're meant to believe that the all the bad guys are gonna parachute into this truck, and that's their getaway. Their getaway is this truck full of mattresses? But instead, Gary Bucey just goes crashing through the front of it. Somehow, against all physics, he turns sideways and starts to move sideways. That really it really made me laugh. I also had a question about like I want to go back to one thing. Sure. Physics in this movie and things that like they're overcomplicated, right? There's a lot of overcomplications. We talked about how the skydivers are doing this like uh not mid-air rescue, but like a mid-air uh prisoner escape plan, right? They put explosives on the emergency exit door , which has a handle that would open and and my thought process it would it would cause the same thing. If you were to open the emergency exit in the middle of a flight and thirty thousand feet, you're still gonna get the same thing. To put explosives on the door. Oh, it's crazy, but my guess is you can't they're they're trying to say like, oh, you can't open doors once it's at that height, or once it's at that have to blow it. You have to blow it. But I agree with you, Paul. There were things about that plan that really I couldn't stop thinking about the whole movie because it was so bizarre. They wanted it to seem like Lady the nerd was dead, right? That he didn't make it out. And that they were dead. And that they were dead. The hijack. Which is why he had to bite off his finger. Michael Jeter 's finger is bitten off, which is a cr a really crazy moment. I was like, whoa. And I would say that 's a real Peter Pettigrew moment here. Uh this is clearly the single finger uh absolutely stolen by uh uh J.K. Rowling for uh Harry Potter. But I didn't understand though, like so so they say, Oh, we found his remains. It's like, well, no, you found a finger. Are we are we drawing conclusions that people are dead based on one finger? And then I was confused too So many people watched that that don't understand. Yeah. And why and why didn't they say 'cause they said the hijackers were dead, but all those people also saw them jump out of the plane. Why didn't why didn't any single per passenger on a full plane say, I saw six people jump out? What? They look like they had sky suits on, they look diving suits on. And the only reliable uh uh uh uh a person they can talk to is like an eight-year-old girl. By the way, one of my pet peeves in movies, and I this is just like it I've seen it a bunch where they will write something for a little girl and it includes a stuffed animal and it's an important piece of the scene. And so she has stuffed animal on the plane. And then when Wesley Snipes goes to talk to her to ask her how what she saw, he brings her another stuff down. Oh, yeah. Which is never gonna be replaced the other one. It's you can tell it's written that way in the script, but for whatever reason, they cast, and that's like for six-year-old, five-year-old, maybe it was seven-year-old, but then they cast like a 10-year-old. Just a little too old. You know, or an 11-year-old. And you're watching this girl snuggle with the stuffed animal . And it it I can't tell you d the cringe I feel I'm just like, oh no, you're too old to have that. And this scene where I'm supposed to feel like, oh, that's sweet, I'm asking so many questions about why you're interacting and you're in that type of dialogue with the stuff down. My question would be but and perhaps a a bit of a miscalculation in terms of what a girl this age would want, but nonetheless a a good thing to bring something for the girl in in order to like tr hopefully engender good feelings and get information that you need. But maybe, hey, maybe take your sunglasses off. Oh, he intimidates the hell out of it. Maybe take your sunglasses off and look this girl in the eye. Make eye contact with her. It's not it doesn't feel safe to be interrogated by a sunglasses wearing guy by those giving you a stuffed animal. As June and I have been coaches of uh AYSO soccer, like one of the main rules in the book is don't wear your sunglasses when you're coaching these kids. You got they have to see your eyes. And Wesley Snipes, you know, to me, is treating this girl like she's a 30-year-old woman. Like there is like he's like, Yeah, here's your stuffed animal. But she's she's been traumatized. I mean, oh yeah. You say you got the creeps seeing the bear. I got the creeps when they just did a a lingering um shot of her on the gurney being wheeled into the ambulance. I'm like, we don't need to see this little girl on a gurney for this long. And by the way, I still I don't even want to talk I still was confused about why they didn't just like why didn't they go into the manifest, the passenger manifest, and find the names of the city? Well they shut it down. The computer started to make it all wonky. That's exactly what they were trying to do when the virus, the computer virus. I'm sorry, I forgot about the computer virus. This has this movie has like act one is a blast because it is it is this crazy uh plane uh heist that we're talking about. Um it's all of these kind of craziness. And then we get to one of my favorite, and I thought this was an 80s movie, but it's a little bit later . But nonetheless, I still love it. The loc ation for where the skydivers hang out is what is it called? Like the sugar shack or whatever that it's not, it's just not just a bar, it's like a living quarters. It is like it's a warehouse. Like all of these movies are always putting people in what look like industrial buildings as homes. And this one's got it big time. And I love all the time they spent in the airfield where they where our crew lives, uh the the mother hen of which is one of my all time favorites, Grace Zabrisky. Oh, uh Laura Palmer Laura Palmer's mother. So good. Incredible. Incredible. In so few moments, she is so memorable and so fantastic. Well, they do something in this movie where I can't remember Yancy's character's name Jo e Crossman or something. Okay, something like that. And they think Crossman is definitely right. Crossman, okay, so but they do something I know it was a genderless first name because there's that. Because it's misdirect. Yeah, it's a misdirect and well it was actually supposed to be a man too. Oh, interesting. Well they I feel like this was the time where that that reveal happened all the time. Where you'd introduce a character, first you're just talking about them, they get highly credentialed as this, does that and the other thing, you don't want to fuck with them and they're crazy and they're this and they're that and she know then they know their shit and this and that. And then she comes out. Oh, it's Charlie Charlie from Top Gun. Yes. It's it's the it's the model. What they're all chasing is that moment. Yes. And this was no exception. And also lots of times I'm I watch the whole thing and I know where we're going and I'm still surprised. Oh I I I always follow And it's because it's it's like that riddle where it's like, you know Aren't I a fool? Aren't I a fool? Isn't it that riddle that ends with like the the doctor says I can't operate on that? That's my son. Gus did that to us. Gus did that to us. And he like really was so excit ed. It's like but it's like it does feel like that at every point. Now I will say that y this part was written for a man and they obviously uh changed it. And uh that's that's where Yancy Butler said, no, he still got to hit me in the face because he was supposed to hit the man in the face uh when the when the faulty pairs like, why would you change it? Same idea. If someone dropped me out of a plane, if a woman dropped me out of a plane without telling me, without ever having skydived before, with not even I don't think he's even wearing a parachute. I think I would maybe punch her. If someone did attempted murder to me, I would have to do it to punch her. I I grant I grant you the authority, Jason, you have every right to punch. It wa it was it was a pla it was a plain set of circumstances only. Now, uh, you might recognize Yancey because she was also our love interest in the Jean-Claude Van Damme film Hard Target, the Louisiana film that we did in New Orleans that time where they're running around the French Quarter. Wow., Paul Oh wow. Well by the way, you know who I thought she was for a long time? Oh, not I mean a long time . I thought she was Jillian Michaels, celebrity trainer. Oh yeah, she has a that's a similar look gone very maga. Similar look, but also similar energy and similar like vibe. And I was like, Wow, Gillian Michael started off as an actress. I had a whole narrative. I was like, that's great. And she's pretty good. Okay . I couldn't get over how similar, needlessly so, she looked to the villains um uh woman . The woman on the villains team. I think her name is K ara. Exactly. She and Yancy Butler look so similar that I was like, why would you do this? Make it make it easy for us to tell again who is on the good guys team, who is on the bad guys team. 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But in this world , we are to believe that skydivers in general, skydivers who are not bad guys, that are not doing anything illegal, are also equally as dangerous. Like if you go and sit in a skydiving bar where they're watching skydiving clips on TV, you will get your ass kicked because you don't belong there. Yeah. It's not like a uh because they treat it like a motorcycle bar. Exact. That's exactly what I was gonna say. They are a gang for no reason. For reasons that are question marks. Well, they're out of their minds. I found it very troubling when they're in that bar and we know because we saw it, our gang took out one of their own. Um And the bell gets rung. Bell. And they all look at each other and it's like, well, I don't I can't remember. I think I wrote down how they phrased it. They say Life life death They say blue skies black death. Yes . What? And they ring the bell and they say and it's treated as though And they say they'll ring the bell every hour . And and the crazy thing about that moment is they all look around and it's like a very there's like a very pregnant sort of weighted pause and honoring of this person who's passed. And it's like the feeling is like, well, they have to be here . They have to do this. They have to protect us in some w they have to be out there traveling the skies. It's as if they are the military or something. You can all never do this again. They literally are in a drop zone in Fort Lauderdale that looks like a family vacation spot. They are in the like there's a scene . I've done the uh thing in uh where you get into the tube and you put on the suit and you're in there uh and there's footage of it, that's embarrassing. Um it's hard. It is hard. Are you willing to say that you'll post that footage? I sure I would. I maybe should post that footage if i at some point when we're raising money for something, use it as a a goal. That's behind the the paywall type of footage. Okay, okay. Wait, do we have a paywall? I don't know. But if we did, we'd we should put that paywall for that video only . And by the way, it's not even that juicy. It's just me not being able to fully like I felt the frustration of the instructor being like, why aren't you getting this? And I because I said that you have to engage your All I'm gonna say is when I saw Wesley Snipes have a hard time with it, I was like, got it. Got it. Well it's interesting because they are the all of that stuff before f uh obviously Washington DC happens, everything else is in Florida, I believe. They are and it is it is very Florida coded, which I really enjoyed because that's what feels trashy about it in the in the best possible way because I just want to be very clear, Florida is trash. Um, so for me, what I really needed in this movie, and I'm absolutely mind-scrambled that I need to ask for it, I needed one scene of exposition where Gary Busey is like, I worked for the DEA, I got fired or whatever, dishonorably discharged, whatever it is, and I'm assembling a group of skydivers to do crimes and uh so that these guys are like okay I'm in he I needed to see him assemble his team. But why? Like I mean because it would have helped me understand what the fuck why. He's asking why does Gary Busey want to do this? Why did he turn on his own government? Why? I'm asking that's easy to answer. He's Bucey, baby. It's a Bucy Beusey. But here's the thing. I don't mind that this is a guy who worked for the DEA and that he turned on his people. That's fine. What I am confused about is was he the person who's like skydiving? Like because it's like that's the that's the bridge too far. That to me has so many more questions. It's like and and the idea is that like um we know that uh Michael Jeter is a very uh capable computer hacker. He's been hidden from the government for a long time. Oh, I have a question about this. No, he's not hidden from the government. The government is hiding him from the bad guys who are trying to kill him. But inexplicably, the government is hiding him by putting him in the general population of a gigantic prison. That is not hidden. And also letting him like feed cats. He was the most aggressive person out there. And why did that hawk why do we have a cliff who was a hawk? Oh my god, thank you. Hawk! They can't thought he was like a controller of anim als. I did too. They kept cutting back to that hawk as if the hawk was going to be somehow instrumental in killing him, saving him, doing something. And I think it's just there to s establish for us in this movie things will fly. Okay, so I thought for sure once I realized what the movie was about, I was like 'cause I d I also was like, he has some special connection to So his relationship and dialogue with animals or birds is going to help him. Yes. In the in in a skydiving type of scenario. That never never came back. Not at all. No, no. You know what I loved about Busey in the first heist? The first heist where they go and they steal the information about the undercover agents, that one. They get in there and everybody immediately starts going to do their job . The guy goes to do the computer hacking. This one's going to do that. This one's going to do that. Busey keeps, it's clearly Busey just riffing. He keeps going around to everybody and asking them if there's anything he can do to help. Notice that. Can I help with anything? You're making me nervous. Would you just get away? What can I do to help you? Shh. You let me know. You let me know if there's anything I can do to help. And you can see almost on the actors' faces, they're like, How do I respond to this? I don't need help. I'm hacking. You know what I mean? Like, or whatever. That that this is why this movie, this movie has a lot of like to me , and uh you know, I haven't I've read John Batham's book. I like John Badham, but I feel really oh oh John Badham's book is great. Uh just about directing. Before I directed anything, my first time I ever directed anything, I read that book and it really helped me. But um the way that this movie feels like they were running roughshod all over him because it's like also the way like Wesley Snipes fights is comical. Like when he goes to the bathroom when they're beating up uh swoop in the bathroom and like like you Wesley Snipes is ready to throw down with hard karate, but it's I like it's right at the cusp of before fight scenes got really good and it's sort of like it's like he's just like Pam, Pam! Like he's just doing a lot. And I I do think that I like that he's always kicking one person to the left, giving them a chance to recover, and then going after the other guy and then getting back. Like he's getting business done. He's he's knocking it off. I do think we kind of needed those sequences and end the one with the two women with Yancy and whoever that other woman was. Oh, the copy machine. Oh my god. The copy machine was so great. And it was I laughed so hard when the other taller woman was sort of up against the wall and it she seemed like she was just taking a second, I guess. I didn't seem like she was mortally harmed at that point. And then Yancy took the photocopy machine. And it doesn't move that fast. No . And you could tell that thing is fucking heavy. Yeah. And by the way, also, where was it plugged in? And she just runs with it and rams it into her. And that kills her? Well she smashes her face through it, through the glass in the photocopier too, right? Because she the glass only kind of breaks. I don't think it's like a smash. I don't think so because she's st then it still works. Right. I mean, listen, it's a very well built machine. I will say this because they don't build them like that anyway. They really don't because after all that damage it, still does flawless copies. It collates a lot of it collates all those copies. Oh God. Um I laughed so hard when this this papers came out. But what I was gonna say is like you need sequences like that because the other moments that are supposed to be really thrilling and engaging, which are which happened in the sky, are parachutes kind of getting caught in things. Kind of, yeah. Kind of like the strings getting caught when he even when he goes into the electrical wire, to be quite honest, I couldn't really understand what was happening up there. No. I couldn't understand how Gary Busey got him and pushed him.'s a controlling him. It's a mix and match of real stuff and fake stuff like on a set. Like where like and so they have to make these like weird jump cuts where you have to like kind of miss about 15 to 20 seconds of important like action connection where you're like, Okay, 'cause we can't really crash a human being into these electrical wires, but we can get a guy close enough to them in a long shot and then we have to cut to something that just is exploding. And a lot 'cause ultimat ely the action is just seeing Somebody tangled. Yes. Somebody tangled. Oh no. Oh no, they're tangled. Yes. It's like it's it it it 's tangled is cumbersome. It's like it's like it's just hard. It's like getting someone stuck by putting on a sweater. It feels like no, I know their heads in there, they just gotta get out. Are we jaded because we've seen like Tom Cruise def y the impossible in Mission Impossible movies. Jason, we saw the impossible three years earlier in point break. That's the other thing. You can't do a skydive movie and go backwards. You can't be like, yeah, you remember like what set the stand ard for skydiving? And by the way, this movie is also in direct competition with another movie coming out called Terminal Velocity, which is a Charlie Sheen movie. So they're having this like kind of race to the finish line. Wait, is that also skydiv ing? Yes, it is a Maverick skydiver and a former KGB agent team up to stop the Russian mafia from stealing gold, starring Charlie Sheen, Natasha Kinsky, and James Gandalf. Okay. I've watched this many times. I would love to do I would love to do it on the show. Yeah. I feel like I've seen that movie. That sounds great. Also, by the way, maybe it's maybe it's a skydive summer. Let's spend guys. Guys, do you want to spend the summer mid-air with me? I would love to get to more some more skydiving movies. There's a lot out there. I mean that especially from this era where somehow it was decided this is cool. This is exciting. This is dangerous. This is whoa. This, you know, this era of like , you know, skydiving and you know, uh , it's it is um it is um cliffhanger you know rock I mean uh you know I think like if we if we open it up to like things like that like extreme summer we could probably find a lot of things that's interesting. Well honestly, it did make me uh wonder and ask some questions about skydiving because I was like, Well, it it seems like you can in the movie sort of travel around up there like it's a freeway, like oh, I want to get over there, so I'm just gonna go to the left. Not with your parachute open, just as a person flying through the air. Like you could maneuver through the sky like you would in a car or a bicycle or just walking. And I don't know is that true? I s if I see Paul struggling with his parachute, can I just Yeah, I think I mean I think I just get over there. I think an ex I think it's very difficult, but I think an expert could get close enough to you to help out help or to uh uh only at a certain height. Below a certain height you're doing. I think you're it's just R IP. You're're we g'reonna gonna have we we're gonna have a lot of skydivers calling but I believe Which I believe would be terminal velocity. You're just you're you're you're going too fast, you're gonna die. You're gonna have to I think the I think the idea is this. Like in all these movies, something goes wrong and someone's gotta save them. Although Yansey does let the she does have that that switch where she drops an inexperienced man out of a plane and then scoops them up, but she waits there like, nah, I'll give it a couple minutes. She's also like meant to be one of the best there ever was. You know, because Wesley Snipes is basically like, hey, this they this was an an inside job. Somebody kidnapped this guy and jumped out. And people are like, jumped out of an 747 at thirty six thousand feet? That's impossible. Nobody would do that. The the so the FBI and everybody are like, Your brother did it. Um so part of this is Wesley Snipes trying to clear his brother's name, even though there's so little. Yes. And that does also seem to be let go of at some point. Yes. Um Jace, before we go too much further, I do just need to tell you, uh, because I know I'm gonna get this on the uh the mini episodes, uh terminal velocity is the maximum uh constant speed of free falling when an object reaches the downward pull of gravity equal to the upward push of air. So that is actually the moment where you don't have to pull your pack because that's that's the kind of thing exist. Exist. And float. Yeah. Oh yes. And so that so it just wanted to that's interesting. I just wanted to go back to everyone blaming um Malcolm Schamal Warner for by the way, R.I.P. R.I.P. And I gotta tell you, you know, Malcolm Jamal Warner, very big part of my life because I wouldn't have gone to NYU without his character, Hugh Huxtable, going to NYU. Oh wow. It was the only school he applied to and it was only because Theo Huxtable went there. And when I went to go see a live taping of the Cosby show, uh I I raised my hand and asked him a question. And I said about NYU or No, I said, do you really play basketball? Oh, that's so cute. It's so cool to me. What did he say? Yeah. Yes . It's so cool to me that the Cosby show is so important to you in your life. It was it was I think what it was like. The Cosby is so woven into the fabric. Um he's out. I guess he is out. Yeah. It just kills me that Malcolm died the way. Oh my god. In a heartbreaking I mean just a devastating. And from everybody that I've heard from is just one of the the nicest men uh best guys. Sweetest men. And it's just a good reminder when you're in a riptide, just don't try to swim parallel to shore. Swim parallel. I got caught in a riptide in Mexico and genuinely had to be rescued. Um I started to drown. I did know. But the riptide was so wide that I kept going and then trying to get in, going and trying to get in. I knew to swim parallel, but it was so long uh uh that I uh exhausted myself trying to swim parallel and get in. And then I had to call I started screaming for help and thank God was rescued. But genuinely started to swallow it, started to swallow seawater. Oh, uh thirty six? Oh wow, okay, no but I mean let me by the way that's more scary because it's like you you have all your I knew what was happening. I was like, I'm now starting to drown because I'm unable to stop taking water in every couple of breaths. So I'm now swallowing seawater every two breaths, which is the beginning of drowning. This is crazy. Oh God, Jason. And then I had for years I had a that dream of that experience every night. Oh my God. That is so I'm having anxiety just here. Mateo. Majo. No No, I don't fuck with water. I don't fuck with the water. I don't really either. And and I I I was caught in a couple of really, really rough waves when I was like a teenager. Like I'm talking post-hurricanes in New York and June you know, over the summer where it's like you'd go out and be excited for a twelve football. Yeah, for like a rough surf. Yeah. I was like thrilled to find out about big waves and then I and then I had a couple of bad experiences anyway. I will say that one of my favorite moments uh was I mean not favorite, but one of the funniest moments is I I was out in the in the water with my my children, June's children as well. Uh and uh when we were when I was swinging with them they got hit with a rough wave and it just ripped the the bathing suit off my youngest. It was it was such a a moment of like what what happened? That's the power of wave. It can rip your face . I feel like some of the very f the one of the very, very first times I saw boobs was on the beach when somebody was body surfing the big waves, and a woman in a bikini hit the go go the wave took her all the way into the shore. So her bathing suit got knocked down. And so when she stood up, she didn't know and her boobs were out. And I was like, go what is happening? That's that's honestly what happened . That's what happened to me with one of the bad waves I hit. I was taken in so far. Yeah. And I went in like a bullet. Like people are trying through the sky like bullets. That's what I was doing, like a bullet so fast onto the shore. I was knocking into moms and toddlers who were standing there. I was like going through through legs, those people were taken out, and I ended up on the shore with my bathing suit completely twisted around me. Seaweed. I mean, it was like it was a sight. Anyway, I was starting to say this before, but why why did Malcolm Jamal want Warner's character Pete, I think? Or no, was it Simpson's Pete? Whoever he is, why did he take so much heat for what happened? He it seemed that he was blamed more than the hostage uh more than the hijackers. And when they call that out, he goes, Look, man, they're just trying to blame someone for this plane crash. It's like what about the terrorists who put the the bomb on door. There is forensic evidence that shows that there was a bomb on the door. I agree. I think what they were trying to say, maybe, was that he was in a he was an accomplice and that he had fired a gun on the plane. Oh, I missed that. Okay, so they they thought he was working with that? They thought maybe he was you know the I don't think that the you know, like the again, this entire plot line goes away. You know what I mean? Like we don't get further into it. But I felt like the part of what they were saying was about the fact that he people on the plane saw him opening fire. You know, and that was he part of the problem? God I don't know. Even though there were five people in full skydiving outfits fully and someone also got their finger eaten off. Oh my god. Uh like it seems like only two people flew out the door, one of them being Malcolm Jamal Warner, and then the the another random. Well why wouldn't you say like, okay, we found what's his name's the nerd's uh finger. Okay. Um so we can identify it. But they're instantly like he's dead. Then nobody is like it has bite marks on it. It looks partially chewed. Now they're not going to go that deep. They had no time. Very weird. Um we talked a lot about the acting in this movie, and I want to call one actor in particular for just you know they always say there's no small parts small actors right and you know you can make a big difference in a small part I don't know if you guys recognize this but I rewound it twice because I found it to be so enjoyable. When our uh good guy uh gets caught in a parachute malfunction uh and is seemingly fine. Wait, he gets Wesley Snipes? Which good guy? Oh uh Swoop's friend who because Swoop goes and wrests. Grace Sabrisky's son guy. The yo youngung gu guyy. The young who gets hurt. Okay, yes. Yeah. When the young guy gets hurt, they're in the back of the ambulance. Okay. And the you know, the two other skydivers are there and they're trying to take care of their friend and the and the EMT is like, he goes, No one rides in the back. Yeah. No one and he yells at them. Like their friend is dying. And they're like, we just we're familiar. He's like no one rides. He hits it twice. And it was for no reason. No reason to be dead. And then he and then the kid comes to kind of consciousness and is like, you guys go, you have a jump to do. Yeah. What? You you have just been like dead. We were just saw you die. You didn't have jumping. What are you talking about? By the way, can I ask you something? I would expect Jess to know CPR. All of them. I don't know why they didn't nobody did a chest compression. Nope. Now I know this was like, you know, we don't do mouth to mouth anymore. But right. This was the time of mouth to mouth, but like not it there it was never only mouth to mouth. The other thing was there what there was an ambulance on site. So so cool. So they and you saw the you saw the organizers be like, send the medic, send the medic. But like the people who are in the air with parachutes , make it to the ground first, extricate themselves from their parachutes, get into the water to rescue this kid. I can't remember his name. Um and start doing like they are there so, so, so much faster than the emergency medical uh uh uh responders? That I was like, this is not a good look for the organizers of this event. No, no, first of all, the organizer of that event uh with his he's like wearing an like he's like a leisure suit Larry character. His his uh his flight suit is like uh unzipped down the middle. It is uh it is a very bizarre look. And I love it, and I loved everything about the guy, and I know that that guy is real. I know that that guy has to be a real dude. Like he's like, I got consulted on that movie. Uh me acting in the I felt like all of the skydiver because there's the obviously there's a ton of skydiving in the movie, real actual skydiving, um, with both a nine point star and a twenty-four point star, just so everybody knows and understands what we're talking about. Jason. Yes, please. The 24 point star was cool. The nine point star was cool, but is that all what other tri what other tricky well it can be? Oh and you mentioned the light they they like yeah can we do anything else with our bodies up there? Nothing. Well you have to remember any other shapes. Well here's the thing. I think you have to remember they're making shapes that are meant to be seen from the ground. Right. But why not get us so many people up there that we're doing the American flag? Oh, by the way, I love that. But I think we are ye in nineteen ninety four, I think we're years away from that being possible. Yeah. I mean You know, I mean and and I mean that. Like like I feel like that's some shit that they would do now that like would be on a Red Bull channel. You know, where it's like they they launched three hundred people into low orbit to do the American flag . Um obviously there's so many things to cover here, but let's also give a voice to the people who absolutely love this film. It is now time for second opinions. Paul and Jason and June talk a lot about what makes a movie good or not, but everyone knows they're actually full of she en . We need a second opinion Someone that knows what they're talking about, we need a second opinion We need a second, oh give me a second, oh we need a second opinion . Thank you, Wolves of Glendale. Now there are um two hundred and forty-six total reviews. Not a lot. That you know, in the grand scheme of doing the show, that's a low number. Sixty-nine, yeah, percent are five-star reviews. 69% are five-star reviews. And this is the one that really sticks out to me. And it's a visual, so please picture it. Um, it's a picture of Yancey bedside with uh Wesley Snipes when he's like in the Gurney. Yeah. And and it says the title is End scene