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Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question. How did this get made? Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to How Did This Get Made? Uh, where we deconstruct bad movies normally picked by us, but today picked by you. That's right. The listeners voted, and they decided that we would talk about a movie that I think is criminally underrated from two thousand and seven, a film called Shoot 'em up, about a man named Mr. Smith who delivers a woman's baby during a shootout and then is called upon to protect the newborn from an army of gunmen. I mean that is the plot. This movie is insane and I love it. And we're gonna break it all down here today with my two co-hosts. Please welcome Jason Manzucas and June Diane Rayfield. How are you both? Wow. I mean incredible. Yeah, actually knowing that this was picked from the Discord , um the elusive Discord. I don't even know where the Discord is to be quite honest. But knowing who knows where the Discord lives, but knowing speech from the Discord, I'm like, this is a this is a gift for us. Yes. From the Discord. By the way, w this is the first time I'll say that the Discord has done something right. You know, I feel like every other time I've heard about the Discord it is it is to say disconnect the Discord, which I still believe. I say shut it down. For but in this instance and maybe forever in this single instance of you know a a a clock is right uh uh a broken clock is right twice a day. So wait what did they make us watch the last time? They made us watch uh a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, uh which we were which we were really the worst. Now, here's what I'm gonna say: there was some manipulation here. Now I have I have some issues, but I'm gonna talk about the manipulation first. It was rigged? Well I believe it was rigged because if you watch these so classic Discord. Yes, because Maybe don't stop this steal. If this was rigged, there are some situations is sort of like I I remember, you know, when Eric Holder came out of the c oh, okay. Yeah. Here we go. With Barack Obama to like talk about redistricting and I I will say this about the Democrats. Like we've done our own redistricting here and there. Sure. Okay, sure. Okay. So it's like there are certain times where a little bit of manipulation, a little bit of not playing by the rules, is what you have to do to get the job done. Okay. All right, yeah. Okay. And I think that might be what's happening . I theref's a little bit of rigging, if there's a little bit of I'm talking old school Chicago style backroom politicking . Uh I I I'm cool with it. You know, if it gives us this, but I don't know if the last one was rigged and that's how we got uh League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. And I don't that's why it's so I don't trust the system. I don't trust I mean we are going to be redistricting the discord. Okay . So we are moving people who can vote, when they can vote. It's there's it's some complicated thing uh that's happening right now. Yeah, we are moving people around. Uh you know, Scott and Molly are gonna switch. We I don't know what that means, but And this might be an opportunity , you know, if we're governing the Discord to sort of create a template that actually works. Well I wanna lay it down. Yeah, go ahead. I was gonna say I was gonna say we I and I hate to bring this up. We ' notre elected. We app ointed ourselves. So I I don't even know what kind of system of government we're running here. Oh, but it's like there's a lot of there's a lot of arranged marriages that end up working out. We are going. I love that you're tackling politics arranged. Marriages. June, five minutes in, hot. Sometimes sometimes the the people around you know what you need more than you do. This is a good thing. And you can get you can get sort of wrapped up in passion and like what's there right now and like not be able to see the far through the trees, not be able to see what it takes to sustain a long relationship. Have you ever been set up with a good person? I mean that's the question that I want to ask you both. No, and actually no one has ever set me up. And I do take issue with that. I don't know what that's about. I'm not gonna look at myself though. Okay, well wow, okay . No one ever sent me up. Yeah. You are you are holding up a mirror. By the way, I look great. She looked really good . She keeps on saying, please make this podcast video so we can have it out there. We're begging you, Paul. June and I are begging you to make this a video podcast. We don't understand why you won't let us. Netflix now doing podcasts on Zoom. What are our Zoom podcasts that are airing on Netflix? I and if you want to know just how bad podcasters look, just go to Netflix. What do you do? That was part of the joy of podcasting. It's no longer a podcast. Actually I want to call it something different. It's like this was it's a TV show. And I also want to say this to women. I wish we could lock arms and say no and say this was a medium that worked for us because people couldn't see us. Right. They had to listen to us. Here's the thing. Why would you wanna look at the people who are just talking? This is a radio show. This is not This is not a visual medium. I don't know. I don't understand. Now look, occasionally we will do it. Uh like we did for our Christmas one. We'll be special. But we'll make it special. We'll make it special. That's a live experience. That's a live show. That's a live experience. By the way, you're gonna pay for it. Wow. You're gonna pay for it. Wow. No way I'm g iving that away for free. What's that phrase? Can't give away the milk, uh you gotta buy the cow first. And that's how it is . No, I'd always I'd love to just drill down on this with June. What do you think about? it Got it by the milk. It's on my mind because there's so much lactation. Oh my gosh. So much lactation in this movie. Almost sat down in the sun and watched the thing. What were you thinking, Paul? You said last night we're gonna watch shoot 'em up kids. Do you want to watch with us? Yeah, because I remember because I remember it being like a Bugs Bunny esque paper, and and I I did not remember how much breast stuff is and breast milk is in the violence. This is the problem with this country is like we have no problem we're so disgusted by women's bodies. By the way, I took a well but a half an hour ago and I've had two cups of coffee. You're doing great work. You're doing great. Somehow we barely talked about the movie , but you're already talking about what's wrong with the country. But this is my problem is like we are so like, oh that's that's crazy to look at a woman's breast, a woman's nipple that smells like crazy at all. I loved it. Now this is why we needed videos. with the violence and that's you, Paul. You were so fine with the violence. Okay, showing our kids that level of violence. Well okay, hold on. Now I will say that I I feel like the violence is so cartoony as to feel like it's not like seven. It doesn't have any consequence, dude. It feels it feels all I know is you showed them Jackass and then Gus had two kids at school, two kids at school grabbing him by the limbs and throwing him as far as the floor like a jackass video. He's like, What's up guys? It's guys like that. Johnny will uh will be on a new episode of this uh show eventually Oh my god. Um but I want to talk about the Discord. Uh red istrict the Discord. So the Discord uh was given a selection of films. The movie The Core, Cutthroat Island, Ice Pirates, The Pest, Shoot'em Up, and Suburban Commando. All worthy choices. Now, I believe that the Discord's job is to pick, and this is a very tricky thing, a movie that is bad but watchable. I believe that I believe they're not with League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. They failed there. And I also believe they failed here because yes, this was enjoyable, but it falls into thank God it got made. I think maybe I'm wrong. This I I feel like I agree this feels more to me in the vein of face-off or those kind of big budget, very I I mean I feel like people are like it's so crazy. He like kills people with a carrot as if it's like Bugs Bunny, and we're like well no that is intentional. This movie is in on the joke. It is not we are not I'm happy to talk about it. I loved it. Yeah. Great. We'll get into all that, but I want to talk about where we started a little while ago. About how the Discord of the Discord No. I just want Okay I am up in the business of the Discord and I want to let you in on it, right? Wait, you're fucking the Discord? A little bit. And it's okay. June and Ien have an op Discord relationship. Anything on the Discord I can do. Now Are you guys in a are you guys in a polycule with a Discord ? It's it's we're kind of like uh the stereophonic uh spree like we're it's there's so many of us you can't keep track of what's going on. Here's what I will say the the Discord had these votes and I'm watching it and I'm seeing certain things go up and down but, as it gets down to the final moments where the voting right before the voting is closed, there was an energy here of we can't piss off Jason. We can't make him mad at us again. So because of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Yes. I see. So at this point there starts to be a little bit of tampering with votes. And we can start to see that they are not only trying to make you happy with a movie like Shoot 'em up, because I think that they're driving that to you and unto all of us, but I think that they know that the wrath is going to come at them from you. And this movie, The Core. So what happens is I don't well I can't I know this movie, but what is the core? The core is like one remember when they made all those movies where people were just going to the moon? Like there was just a lot of a lot of moon movies. Uh the core is one of those moon movies, and it is like with Aaron Eckhart, Hillary Slank, DJ Qual, Stanley Tucci. Uh the Tooch . Uh just a producer clarification. Yes. The plot of the core is actually that the Earth's core has stopped spinning. Oh, okay. And a team must drill to the center of the Earth to jumpstart the core by detonating an atom bomb. Oh, okay, got it. Okay, I'm so sorry. The reason why the core not spinning is a problem is that it's been causing geostorm type natural disasters around the world. All right. So anyway, the core, which is clocking in at an aggressive length at two hours and 15 minutes. Too long. Yeah. So what happens is people start jockeying to create a tie. They're holding their votes back to manufacture a tie. Now Scott, am I missing anything major from that? No, you're doing a great job. Okay. Can I ask a question, Paul, of you and and perhaps of Scott. How many people are we talking about? Well we're talking about like I mean, I wanna I without I mean you can see the votes uh the the amount of votes for the core and the amount of votes for shoot 'em up, they're a tie, and they're at four hundred and seventy-three votes each . Each? Oh my god. So and then this is the most votes we've ever gotten because actually so many people joined the Discord. I think that they got in knowing like, okay, you know what? I didn't like League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I want my voice to be heard. And then I think people are like, What's the Discord? How do I get into or did the Discord come up with these movies? We did we I I I called the Discord suggestions over the years and chose a group that I thought people would be excited about and that also covered, you know, a a variety of genres. Yes. And they're they're all over the board. These are fine choices. Uh but I will say when I saw the time, my immediate reaction was, Well, the core is a movie that I know that Averill said, Don't do it. It's not really worth it. Uh, but I wanna be honest to the Discord and let them go pick what they want and then shoot 'em up as a movie. I'm like, this is really fun. I enjoyed it. So we aired on the side of let's take the fun one, even though there's a tie. I think they were hoping for to get two out of us. I see. Uh, you know, if there was a tie, we'd have to do two. Uh we're not gonna we're not gonna watch a two hour and fifteen uh minute uh film that is just fine. Like yeah it's not worth it. Not worth it. I think I think if Averill said no I I I trust I trust her implicitly. So that that is a thing. That's how we're here. The Discord hopes to make Jason happy by creating this Discord care about me at all? I mean, I look I believe that Jason comes at them way harder than you, June. I mean obviously Eric Holder comes after you. So honestly, if I had the if I had the ability to unplug the Discord, I would. I I would just straight away do it. Um here's what I can tell you about this movie. Just from my point of view. I saw this movie in a theater and it was raucous. It was a party. People were going bananas for it. Now, my friend, good friend of mine, great director, Ben David Grabinski, was the director's assistant on this film. And I was talking to him about this movie. Uh because he was there and pitched many jokes. If you listen to DVD commentary, he's like, Ben David came up with that, Ben David came up with that. What he told me was this movie hit in two ways. One, everyone got it and people were psyched, no one got it, and people left angry. So there was a very he was like And it just either worked 100% or completely fell flat. And I do think that to your point about the carrot and stuff, it was about a couple years too soon for people to get this level of like, oh, it's intentionally trying to do something. It's kind of almost a send-up of one of these kind of movies while also executing one of these kind of movies very well. It was very, very well. Yeah. Oh, and and wait, Paul, who made this movie? This is this guy Michael Davies. Or Michael Davis. So Michael Davis actually wrote the screenplay for Double Dragon with Peter Gould from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. They were writing partners. But Michael Davis is a storyboard artist, one of the best uh uh of all time. Okay, so that basically it's visually so good. He basically created every shot in the movie tremors, uh, and during like a period of time where he couldn't get anything made . He made like this animated sizzle reel of 17,000 drawings. That was the premise of this movie. He called it John Woo's Wet Dream, and that's what he wanted to make this. Like this is like so it was like a seventeen minute long sizzle reel to sell this movie. And that's how this movie was kind of birthed into the world. But that's a great comparison, uh John Wo o in this era of somebody who's making visually sumptuous action movies that just don't have any of this if people were coming in expecting a John Woo style broken arrow shoot 'em up kind of craziness. Like these jokes or these absurd asides or these corny one-liners would bump you if you wanted it to be like a real like uh shoot 'em up, you know. Can I tell you where I think this movie fails in and and not fails? I I love this movie. I'm a fan of this movie. I was excited to watch this movie. I think that the what the trouble is is Clive Owen. He is great. He plays it perfect. But I think people coming in are like, wait a second, if he's in it, is it funny? Is it serious? Like if you put in I liked that though. I did too. Yes. I agree with you though. It could confuse a viewer because he's so good at it. He's great But if you had someone I'm trying to think of at the time, like uh if you had Bruce Willis in this. Ryan Reynolds. Like, you know, like then you get it, then it's too wink wink, I feel like. You know? But it's kind of bugs bunny. I mean, I love the I love Clive Owen. He's great. June, what did you think of Clive Owen? I thought he was perfect. I it l.oved I mean my only question for his character honestly this is like the only thing that bumped me in the movie was the and it's not even just his character, it's men in general in this film don't seem to know that you can feed a newborn baby with formula. I wrote that down too. It does seem like it's not a fact that is like penetrate. Now, I will tell you that we are probably well, I'm I'm out actually younger than both of you, but I am from a generation of babies who were strictly formula fed because for a while there, our moms were told formula was better than breast milk. And so I wonder, I actually had this thought, like it because there was that campaign for a period of like formula is better. And then of course there was they realized breast milk is and by the way, quote unquote better, like feed your baby with whatever the fuck you have. But like the I wondered if these men had been so indoctrinated with the idea of breast is best that they didn't know you could very safely in effect . Well, they are from a generation that is probably prioritizing breastfeeding in a way that that you know picking up on all of the elements that that breastfeeding would have given the baby, I think, you know, not for nothing, boy, would this movie have been worse for wear if he had just gone out and bought a bunch of formula and never gone to Monica Bellucci. Uh thank God for uh for Beluch. The balu the Baluch is looch. We didn't , but we did have the Baluch. And I mean and by the way, when when there is a line it says uh and I won't do it as justice, because Paul Giamat ti is the bad guy in this and he is fant astic. Like he is it's seen chewy . He really turned my stomach. Yes. He really turned my stomach. This lady's baby needs to be fed. Find me every wet nurse, lactating hooker, and mammary on tap in the city. Now here's a question, and again, I've always said this the less I know about men the better. Put it on a t-shirt, sell it. But the less I know about men the better. But is lactating, is lactating like fetishizing lactating, that's a thing? For sure. For sure. I guess. I mean, for sure. You know, like um I mean, I'm just saying, is it a porn hub category? I'm sure it is. Um here's the thing. I think what's and and when we find Monica Bellucci, she is lactating and her entire her entire um she's set up in a brothel where each of the rooms has a theme and her theme is baby. I mean theme is Her theme is baby. It's all baby bottles and her the John that she's with is is in a diaper and is breakfastfeeding. Yeah. Can I ask like a a a sexually innocent question? I've never seen, besides going to a haunted house, a wall of rubber that one person is behind. Oh, yeah. I was like, wow. What a face? Yes. But his face was a part of the rubber too. That's on the other side of the thing . No, he was on the other side, but like what happened what transactionally is happening? You know, like what is this what is this meant to elicit? I want it in a haunted house where that is happening. And they cause they give you the uh illusion of reaching out and grabbing it because the wall. Like Freddie. You like Freddie in that movie. Right, but they can't touch it because you are separated. I think here's the thing though, the the the cost of upkeep and and also just like making that. Yeah. How many John s are arriving? Like that that must be, you know, for any of the the rooms to make sense, like you have to have a number of customers, I would assume. Oh yeah, I mean no, it's like a movie theater not wanting three hour movies because they can only do fewer sho wings per day. Like how many Johns fit that room's particular king? Well because you gotta hold it so taut. So taut. So taut. Or is it new is it a roll and you like each after each one it's rolled across, cut off, and that bit is thrown away. It looks expensive though. It did. Now I here's a question. I mean maybe the John is bringing it with him. Now the other question I have is this th is the theme nunnery and then within the nunnery different rooms? Because it's I mean I know we're answered the door is answered by a nun in a thong. Uh that well, first as a nun, then revealed thong. And it felt like nunnery like uh house of ill repute, but then if but then it felt like everything was themed and she was maybe the only one on break, or is the nun just? ans Yewerah, Iing the could doorn't figure out if the nun who answered the door she was just well, I'm not busy right now. I do religious uh kink over in this room. I just don't have an appointment, so I'll answer the door. Right. Today's podcast is brought to you by our friends over at Squarespace. You know I love Squarespace because with Squarespace, everything that you need to succeed online is in one spot from claiming your domain to building a beautiful website, promoting your work, and taking payments. It's all there whether you're just starting out or ready to grow. 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He delivers the baby and I mean when I knew that this movie in the theater was great, was like you open up on Clive Owen, he takes a bite of this carrot, you're like, interesting. And then uh and then the the movie starts and it's frenetic action, some really cool shots, but then the moment that Relio is like, this movie knows exactly what it's doing is when he delivers the baby, omits a gunfight, then uses his gun to blow the umbilical cord, like to separate the baby. I was like Incredible. In credible moment. I am the in n. I am I there is nothing else. And in the right. Now the only issue I have with him, I I didn't like when he ripped her sh her her outfit open and said Feed Junior or whatever the fuck he said. I d I didn't like that one bit. I didn't like that either and I didn't I said your milk doesn't come in right away. It it also felt like how did he how was he so aware of like that, you know, like he I mean he's a man just was he just needed the baby to be quiet as soon as possible so that they wouldn't be discovered. You know, he was just saying, keep the baby quiet, put a tit in its mouth. Put a tit in its mouth, and that's fine, but like the baby actually doesn't need to be fed right away. Yeah. It just was making too much noise. Can we just talk about like being a lactating hooker because I I please was thinking about it like she I don't know I guess she was on some sort of hormone supplement to help her lack. It's explained she had a stillborn baby. Yeah. She we now we didn't see that. She tells the story later to Clive Owen. She says, Why haven't you asked what happened to my baby? So her milk came in from the stillborn. Yes. Her her pimp punched her, she says. Yeah. And her baby was born stillborn. And so my assumption is she continued to lactate and then used that in her as her kink. Gotta get a gimmick. Well that's it. I think that that's more what it was. She's like, well, I I should use this. And then because of the amount that she is using it, she's never stopping. It's like those people who like will make, no, I still breastfed my child and they're standing up. Like I've seen that like on a Maury episode, right? You know, it's like a it's somebody who's very old. Sure, sure, Paul. Sure, Paul. You've seen it in a Maury episode. Great cut. I'm always watching Great Great Catch. I'm always watching a Maury episode. I just want to shout I just want to shout out her character because of all the kinks that are available in each and every one of those rooms, the one I would like to do the least is lactating. Oh , that's a lot of work to have your boobs filled with milk. And then it it it hurts if you're not lactating. So then it's like, well, is she self expressing? Is she pumping? I mean, there's so many questions. It's well so much it's so intimate. It's so intimate that to have a grown man I can't even talk about it, Jason. I can't even talk about it. That was a mo that was a motion. But I can't any longer. I do want to say that that moment really makes me recoil because it's like Oh, it's horrible. I couldn't understand what it was at first. 'Cause my mind, my imagination stopped. Yeah, it stopped Well even at the time when you catch her giving the bad guy a a blowjob behind the dumpster, I was like, Wait, how did that happen so quickly? And we're in like there are some moments that really will take your breath away, and I will say those are quick ones, but the one that sticks in my mind, the one that really got to me, and I know it was there for creep factor is Paul Giamatti looking at this dead woman that he is carrying around in the car? This is the mother of the baby who does get shot in uh right after delivering the baby. And she is still uncovered from when Clive Owen has ripped open her shirt to help her feed her baby. And he just grabs her breast. And I when I say there's a fearless performance going on here for Paul Giamat ti, like what he is doing is that scene it's very very horrible very very horrible but you I feel like I knew everything I needed to know about his character from that like I'm like from it's the one two punch for Gio, I want to just say Giamat ti is incredible in this. And he and Clive Owen as opposite sides are fantastic. And what's so good about Giamatti is he's doing all of this disgusting stuff the, scene you're talking about . He's saying so many disgusting things, but then he's also continuously fielding calls from his wife where you can tell he is put upon and feels like yes, he is not in charge. Sweetie, this deal is almost done. Look, I've already booked my flight home. Okay ? Okay . I love you too. Yeah. Bye bye. You know why a gun is better than a wife? Hmm? Don't know. You can put a silencer on a gun. And that is like so funny to me that his performance is like basically built off of a like the impotent rage of a husband who's being uh constantly uh had at by his wife, which I think that is what's so great about this movie and I think really separates it from just being like a send up of these types of movies because you know Clive Owen also has these like very specific pet peeves. There are there are specific choices that are made. And I love when a character like this is just like like he doesn't like when people are rage driving, he doesn't like cats. There's things about there's specific things that he doesn't like . And to me it's what elevates this movie. Yes. And his performance in doing so icism, his everything he's not leaning into any of the jokes that he is he is the Bugs Bunny character, but there is no Bugs Bunny wink, there is no Bugs Bunny kind of uh wryness. He is just straight . It's as if he's stepped out of Children of Men and stepped into Children. Well by the way, there there is a moment that reminded me of Children of Men. It looks, he's like in the same costume. There's one moment where he's on the bus and I'm like, are is this the children of men that we were promised? Because in a weird way, it's the same story as children of men. Like he is protect- So funny. I mean, in that one he's protecting a pregnant woman to give birth, but in this he got the baby to where the baby needs to go. And the baby is what? Being used to genetically keep the governor young. The senator alive? Not young. To save his life. Yeah. He has he needs the bone marrow of a a relative that has his same whatever. He's got a baby farm. So the setup is there's a senator who wants to become president who's in charge of gun. Oh, this is a gun control movie. Also, the theme of this m one of the central themes is gun control in a movie that is wall to wall guns, which is very true. I loved. I loved it. And by the way, this is a movie where I just have some of the stats. A hundred and fifty one people are killed in in less than an hour and thirty minutes, and they used uh six thousand squibs and fifteen gallons. June squibs. Uh June Squibbs. They took a while to get the set, so it was a little it was tricky, but we but they got 'em. They did it six six thousand times. She'll always get there. She works. I mean that was the thing. She's booked. She's gonna she she's's ready to go. But yes, it's saying something, but also it it's I think this movie is incredibly clever and smart and cool, but I agree. It's it's a blast. So anyway, just to finish my thought. He needs a bone marrow transplant, so he creates a baby farm with women so that he can have a bunch of babies that he can pull bone marrow from. Now, while that is happening, the uh gun company bad guy, Hammersmith, he decides I don't want this guy to live because he wants gun control. So I'm gonna kill all those babies. I'm gonna kill his baby farm. And that's why he sends Giamat ti and the goons to go kill the baby farm. And that is where we are. And then at the end of the movie, of course, it's revealed. Why not just kill him? Great question. Well, because then it would be a line a line would kind of be drawn to him. Whereas if you kill a baby farm, you can't say, Hey, someone came in and killed my baby farm because then the more questions are asked. Well why do you have a baby farm? Then there's a then there's a lot by the way . Do you guys think there's anybody right now that has a baby farm? Like gotta be, right? Well here's a lot to be at least one baby farm right now on this globe. Listen some billionaire. When do you when are you able to extract that Great question. Because you can't have a bone marrow transplant until you're like I believe well I don't know. Maybe maybe with pediatric can't I don't know. I don't know either. And that's so interesting. But wouldn't it be incredibly painful for the babies to have their bone marrow removed? Oh, it's horrible. Because the the most successful donations come from people from eighteen to thirty-five. Uh so uh yeah, so that like they they will not I mean accept you, yeah. Yeah, miners are allowed to donate under strict ethical gu idelines, but I don't think that they're going that. I don't think this falls under that. Yeah, I don't think I well definitely it doesn't I yeah. I just feel like you gotta get some you gotta get some more marrow in the bones before you can give it up. Ooh By the way though, like this this poor baby, when this baby I mean, I had to do a lot of work watching this movie with the beginning sequence where the baby is uh under is sort of in a football hold with Clive Owen and he's jumping over buildings and he's doing this and that and he's shooting. And there's just several shots where I'm so worried about that baby's neck. You know, and not never being supported. Never . And I have to say, like I did wonder why all that Clive Owen can do, the amount of multitasking that he's able to do . Could he not have created some sort of a Bjorn? Because I didn't know if our writer director didn't like the idea. And it I think this is a real his career's really interesting portrayal of mascul inity. Right, because he at some point is on his back, but they never have him on his front in more of a papoose, which is more of a feminine look, and I wondered about that. I I June, I I understand that concern, but I think I have a different reason why that didn't happen. Is because I would say in almost every single set piece, Clive Owen slides on his stomach across the floor, across conveyor belts, acr he slides across hundreds of yards. He covers like a seal over a mile and a half of the floor. It's like run run slipping. Sliding. Sliding and shooting. The palm of his hand is gonna be the better brace in this situation. Because he's able to like really pocket him like a football and the baby was He's a bigger boy. He's not a slip of a thing. You know, wait, Clive Owen or the baby? Clive Owen. Oh no, Clive Owen's a big guy. I uh the one thing I'm gonna say about Clive Owen sliding and sliding. No problem with the way that he dealt with the baby. Like, yeah, sure, maybe a papoose. But to me, when he dropped the baby on the merry-go round in the blazing hot sun, it did feel like now I understand uh why it has to go there, but I was like, well that's gonna be a little hot. That that's gonna cook the baby. That someone will immediately find it, which they do. You know what I mean? Like it's but I would have preferred that that ba I understand why you couldn't go to the police station, but there are many places where you can safely surrender a baby, no questions asked. So like find your local hospital. Oh, there's there's some wonderful baby boxes. Yeah, baby boxes. Where you literally open up. They have them I think at at a lot of different public facilities, firehouses where you open the baby box. Oh, it's like a library book return? Yes. You put the baby in there that you have to surrender and you close it up. And can I go get one? If I see one of those , if I open it, will there be a baby in there? Well that's the thing. You know, it's not it's not just like a pickup, it's not like a vending machine. I can't get one way Jason. I can't like put a cut I can't put a five dollar bill in and uh open it up and get a baby? It's not a baby autom at. Now look, I won't Do you think P do you think the kids will know what an automat is? I mean, yeah, our audience is gonna definitely be driving around. I barely know what it is. You know, someone will find you. And then a woman goes, My God, look at this. Someone left a baby. Boom. Just killed immediately. The movie has great timing. And it's like anybody who's missing these jokes that like when the middle of a fight he spells fuck you and then Giamatti turns and then he shoots out the rest of the letters and spell fuck you too? Come on, guys. So funny. It's very funny. That happens though in this movie, and I just want to address it because it's something that always bugs me, and I don't know if anybody else has this issue. Picture a giant shoot 'em up sequence, okay? The one in the staircase where he's flying by that, you know, he's he's going down the staircase on that rope or whatever that is. He's tethered, shooting everybody. He kills in that sequence. It seems like at least 75 grown men, minimum . Okay. One of my pet peeves is that once he gets to the bottom, Paul Giamatti, and Paul Giamatti, and this everybody's been shooting at him, Paul Giamatti's been shooting at him. Once he gets to the bottom, he's still in range, it seems, to be killed. And yet, Paul Giamatti, there's sort of this like gentleman's agreement, like, I'll now watch you walk out, I'll now watch you exit, which is a solid like ten seconds. Yep. Where your back is to me. I know you're not gonna shoot at me. But I will very respectfully not take this shot. It's it's and there's also there's something about them now being close enough to have words that now instead of shooting, now we quip back and forth because there's some safety and feeling like well now I can shoot you whenever I want, so let me give you a little bit of the the old business . And then that's the hubris that allows for Clive Owen to get away every time. But I agree that is that is a trope in this kind of a movie. Yes, and I find it fascinating. It's like we we we let our people exit, you know, respectfully. 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Oh it's such a great sequence and and you know I have to like really tip my hat to Monica because she's having an orgasm and won't stop til she climaxes and she's being shot at left and right. And I wondered, I don't know about anyone else, but I wondered like, oh, if you're a sex worker and and you have men who are sucking milk from your boobs, like is this just like she has not been able to have an orgas m or or n on her and like this has to have. They know he they know each other from the past. He brings the baby when he shows up w we didn't say this, which I very much laughed at. When he shows up at the brothel to find her, um I'm assuming knowing she's lactating, because he knows her already, he's carrying the baby in a brown paper bag with packing peanuts in it. And I was like, this movie gets it. So the sex scene to me, it this is what's great about the movie, is that they're in the middle of having sex. Gunmen burst in from every door window, every place. Not only do they not stop, they escalate the sex. The sex now starts better. It gets better. Monica Bellucci isn't like stop, let me hide. She's like, keep going. And it's that's the movie She's like little death, big death, it doesn't matter. I think the movie is leaning in, right? Leaning in I mean I I I think that's what Sheryl Sandberg meant by that. There is something about that relationship though that you you feel good about. You feel like they're you know what they got it together. This movie's a great example to me of giving us some information, but not too much, and relying on the actors to build a history with just chemistry and connection because you did feel it and you felt that they've been through something together that there was there was a lot of love and respect there and yet also like they're very wary of each other. I thought they did a great job. My favorite part, the the the thing that really j it genuinely like not touched me, but I was like when she says to him when they're gonna separate and she says to him, What if we don't come back? That's not gonna happen. There is no way to be sure . Yes, there is. And he puts the gun on her ring finger like it's an engagement ring. He put the trigger cover or whatever around her finger like a ring. I loved that. I was like, this is romance. This works for me. And by the way, it also just goes to show you like I think that we live in a time where like, oh, what's the backstory what's this we need more exposition this movie has none of it no we don't and and we're and we're just we're just running we're just trust us trust us don't trust the discord but trust us to fill in the blanks. Now did the audience did the audience trust it? No, but that's okay. I mean it the movie did not it was not a hit as my shocking to me to be honest. I blame the times. It's just And blame the times, yeah. It's like because I think that after two thousand seven. I think after this you get movies like Shooting Aces, right? Which was like kind of like, oh, we're doing a bigger thing. You're seeing like action that is just bigger and more bomb astic. I think that that style, that John Woo style, comes in and is Americanized after that. Well, and that's I and I feel like the movie that then dominates and sets the template is tak en, which I think is 2009 . Uh I think somewhere around there. Taken, I feel like, really is like, no, our hero is stoic. His mission is unequivocally good and without and there's no commentary. It is just a forward moving shark of a person who just kills everybody in their way so that they can rescue the helpless woman, you know? And I I totally agree. I I think that the one piece that I missed, and it's possible I just was looking down at my notes at this time. When we're in the car sequence and the baby falls out of the car after the crash, and Paul Dreamana runs over and you think the baby's been destroyed and it's sort of a a robot baby. Which it's a very realistic robot. Where did that where did that baby come from? Who knows? That makes that baby. don' Dont't p pullull at that string. Yeah, that one we just have to believe that. Don't pull at that string. And the other string not to pull at is when he goes to the gun factory. What's the gun manufacturer's name? I can't remember. He goes to be the hammersmith. He goes to the hammers mith factory where all the bad guys are and they're manufacturing all the guns and he sets up like one hundred booby traps full of guns. I'm like, are we to believe that the gun factory is has loaded guns Ready to go. Yes. There wouldn't be any ammo in these guns. See, I didn't even I was so okay with that . And he's he meanwhile sets up like a home alone level series of booby traps where he's pulling marionette strings and sho it is it's so satisfying and it's so fun. But the minute you start pulling at it, you're like, how on earth this would have taken hours to do. Right. Uh apparently, and this is a fun little uh side fact. Uh you know, Paul Giumotti's gone through a lot of different uh phases in his facial hair and and and and his head headhair. Uh but uh when he did have to accept the best actor for side ways. He was still fully in this character's hair and goate . So when you do look at the pictures of him , oh interesting choice he didn't really clean up for the Oscars and it was because he was dealing with shooting this th this, which was a an uh an and definitely an when you look at him like that it's interesting look for him. That reminds me of when Hubel had to have have frosted tips for like two months for uh I love you, man. Oh my god. That was amazing. The other thing that uh oh my god, there there's so much I love the scene, I love the scene, I love the car chase scene, and I love that he causes a head-on collision so that he can fly out of his car into their car. Again, sliding, Jason. Sliding . He slides into their van, lands perfectly. He would be he would be demolis hed, you know, if if if real physics were applied to this movie, everybody dies in the first scene. But by this time I'm like, I love it. He he launches into their car, shoots everyone in the car, and then he' likes, uh that's why you should wear your seatbelt. He's got zingers for every line that he doesn't overstep. Not even when he's doing his zingers, that's why Clive Owen to me is perfect in this, he's not leaning into the jokes. He is He is perfect. Because he's not even putting the James Bond swarm like that kind of swarmy. No, it's it's oh it's just clean and it's nice and uh I mean he this man is skydiving . He does it on the that's the other thing about this movie. The shootout in the sky is incredible. And then that's not even the end. Like every time you're like, oh this is a sequence where you can't top this, and you can and is it the final sequ ence where he does put bullets in each of the like the divots or the the holes in his hand. The holes in his hand and lets them get heated up like popcorn to then assassinate the final guy at I'm like this this movie. And that's the what's great about the movie is, and I suspect maybe why people wanted us to do it, is that we would say that's ridiculous. You can't hold up a bullet to a fire and ha and aim it. That you wouldn't be able to do No, the point of the movie literally was something they did on Mythbusters to m disprove it. It's like that's not we're doing w we're doing Looney Tunes. The man's eating a fucking car rot. He basically he like he is eating a carrot multiple times like never-ending carrots. He always is running out of ammunition and guns and everything else. He never runs out of carrots, he which's have a carrot vest under there. Maybe that's why he slides so easily. It's just like it's sort of flush to his skin and it's just a vest of carrots. And they they if they go this way, maybe they just roll. They're allowed to you know, like it's giving him the ability to roll. By the way, you can turn orange if you eat too many carrots. Okay, that's true. That's true. It is true . It is true. I wonder too if we're meant to believe that part of the reason Is because carrots help your eyesight. That is literally what I believe is part of it. And I think what they realized was in the beginning it was like he has great eyesight. And then they're like, oh, this is a Looney Tunes. Like let's lean into both. And then carrot gags are like then he has to kill people silently and then he's just taking that carrot and f shoving it through people's heads. I gotta say though, carrots do not taste good un skinned. And it seems like he's eating carrots just in the raw. You know that I only recently found out that baby carrots are just big carrots that have been carved down into small form factor? Yeah. I'm finding it out right now. What are you talking about? Baby carrots are just big carrots that have been cut. Carved into that. Right. There's no such thing as a baby carrots. Yeah. What's baby corn? Great . I mean, I think that's just a corn varietal that is small. Wow. Wow. Well, I'm now different now that I know. Here's my only criticism of Clive Owen and Monica Bellucci on the run parenting. I think they can come up with better than newspaper diapers. I love well did you see did you see the artistry that she was doing with those newspaper? Like orig ami level stuff. I mean you can't don't can't they just find cloth or paper tiles ? Take off your hat, take off the bottom I love when he took off his sock and put it on the baby's head on the bus when he sees the other when he sees the mother putting a hat on the baby. He's like, Oh, I should be doing that. There's moments like that that are really tender and work again because he is a great actor. Now I did I do think that's the only excuse for going barefoot on public transport. I've seen people do it on airplanes and it's been very upsetting to me. Barefoot, not socks? Barefoot. Barefoot. Barefoot. I sat next to a woman barefoot. Like wearing like wearing uh flip-flops on a plane. Went into a bathroom that I knew because I had been in it, I knew was covered in piss. Yours? Oh the floors are disgusting in the disgusting disgusting disgusting. No, I I've seen so many people get on a plane in sandals and then this one flight I was just recently on, he had sandals on, very like worn down leather sandals, sat right next to me. And then he took off his sandals and placed his bare fucking feet on top of them. And I was like, I am so I truly had to knock them. When they put their feet up on like the chair in front of them or you know like up so that they're like on display. I don't need to see your stinky ass logs while you're on the plane. Put it away. Put it away. Put it away. People I'm uh I'm like I'm the anti Tarantino. No feet, please. Chop them off. Except if you're clive on it and then you're on public transport and your baby needs a hat. True. He escapes out of the head so quickly. By the way, I did have a a heart to heart with my stepmom uh this past week where I was describing foot fetishes. And I will say that I embraced the floor Wait, why was that during a heart to heart? No, it's not. Because I was I would we were talking about it, I was on a phone call and I sort of heard it happening in the other room and I was like it was actually a heart to heart just. Because I was trying to help her explain a lot. I was like, you know, if you can believe it. It was a heart to heart. It was a heart to heart to kind of explain how people have different uh sexual wants and desires, right? And yet some we put on a stoop and we say, Well that that's made up or I don't know if I believe that they are that and I'm like, Well let's look at this one. We know no one's questioning the validity of this one. Which is the thing Was it was she asking about the fetishes that were on display in the Monica Bellucci uh I think this movie would have broken her. Uh uh you know uh I I know for a fact that uh she you know, I I feel like uh she was didn't want to even see train dreams because she thought it was gonna be a little too too uh it was gonna be too extra. Risque. Yeah, a little risque. I don't know where I went with that, but yeah, before that. I have a question. Why is there and I wanna be clear, I'm not bothered by this at all. I don't understand why there's a tank in the city. I had I I thought I thought it was some display. It's a museum. That's why 'cause the the other mother's yelling at the kid. I love that moment too, where yeah you know, uh where he kinda comes after that mom for being abusive in the thing. Yeah, it's just in a museum. He just knows about the the museums. Okay. The museums. I missed I missed museum and I was just like . I did too, but I accepted it again. There's lots of things I didn't. Yeah. I didn't question. You can't. I loved at the end of the movie when he finds them in the the roadside ice cream sho ps din er that looks like a tit. The the the the design of it is a t is a boob. Like Monica Bellucci is so associated is a boob with cream in it, with milk in it, with ice cream. Oh god. Yes. That's like the end of the movie is also don't worry, there's still lactating titties out here in the middle of the desert. And for a movie that I think is like they definitely address like the the g un as a dick. This is a movie that also really just supports the boob, you know, because I mean that is uh that is the that 's something I can very much get behind. Oh god Like like Underwire, I am also here to support the boob. I mean that that that line June looks June looks so upset . Oh God . And again, this is why we need to go on video . Um let's talk a little bit about this movie. Just to give you a little bit of a an update, because I did tell you it did not make a lot of a lot of money at all. Thirty nine million dollars. Concerned budget, right? Pretty good for what they do. Opening weekend five point four million, made twelve million, and worldwide gross only twenty seven. It was not a hit in any way. Wow it has a it stands kind of right in the center on the tomato meter and the audience score, both at like sixty five and sixty seven percent respectively. That is shocking to me. And I'm also shocked. I'm shocked that it's that it did so poorly. And I'm also shocked that it does not currently have a like and it is now a gigantic hit on Netflix or something I think that we need to lead this charge because uh this is a movie that I think also had some weird moments associated with it. So apparently they marketed this movie with a YouTube video which was uh a bulletproof stroller. Um and they had uh the video was it was an half. Well that's gotta be year one of YouTube , two thousand seven. Yeah. So they where they basically have someone with a submachine gun shooting at a stroller while a baby was inside to prove that the stroller was bulletproof. People did not get that that was funny. They thought it was real. It like this movie kind of had that thing where people are like, it's too much gun violence. It was banned in the UK. Like a billboard of them was banned. You know , it just was a movie that I think hit a lot of different weird moments where it was just not acceptable. So surprising. Yeah. And I think that people haven't seen it because I I literally uh I put it on my my um letterbox last time people reached out to me uh the I put stuff on my letterbox all the time. People reach out to me to say, Oh my god, I love that movie. I'm glad it no one talks about the movie. Deserves to be celebrated in the same way that I feel like everybody now rallies around like we do the Fast and Furious movies. The completely over-the-top bonkers level action movies, this is that only better in many instances. And this guy doesn't go on to make any other mov ies. That's what I wanted to know as well was what else did he because this is very well done. From a d like this could have been a disaster, you know, because it's not mu it's thirty nine million dollars for this level of stuff is not a lot of money, and it looks great. It's it's edited great. Like this is a great successful movie. And you know, and I was talking to again my friend, and maybe I'm talking a little bit out of school. Well, I'm this is not talking out of school. He told me some some things, but he was saying that like the the thing that was a bummer was everyone's so proud of it. It's it's a movie that they feel really good at . It kinda bombs at the at the box office, but he was like I would go into meetings and no one would give a shit. It would be like, Oh, I was I was the director's assistant, I pitched all this stuff, I did all this and bear no that it didn't people did not like this movie. And when you type and shoot 'em up, the first question, is it a parody? People are confused. Uh and that's and that this is the this is the unfortunate thing. I think that we take things at face value a little a little too much. Well I also think the audience for these types of movies might just not get the joke. Right. Or it's it's marketed to one person, but it should be marketed to a different person. Which is why they are like, oh no, we get it when it's taken, or we get it when it's fast and furious, but this why is he doing what's up doc? Like what's what what? That's crazy, you know. This is this is it. You know, so obviously we had opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion and, it's now time for second opinions. Paul and Jason June talk a lot about what makes a movie good or not , but everyone knows they're actually full of she need a second opinion someone that knows what they're talking about. We need a second opinion Thank you so much, Wolves of Glendale. They are awesome. Uh, all right. I will tell you some second opinions because uh there 's a handful: three thousand seven hundred and two. Seventy-two percent are five-star reviews. So Amazon gets it. Amazon's on board. Uh Victor Calado writes, and this is one I'm gonna have to have you guys break it down for me. Um the title is Nice, Super Excellent. It was written uh in 2025 . A lot of codes in this movie I hope many people follow The World Become Better Five Stars. Oh codes in this movie I hope people follow The World Become Better Oh like like like Clive Owen's codes about like don't hate your kid or not like or liking dogs or all his all his kind of code of honor that his He is he seems to me, and we never find out, he seems to me to be some sort of like a samurai kind of a man without a without a house, without a Yeah, the man with no name, a kind of Sergio Leone kind. This one is from Randy 2015. Randy writes, Come on, if you're a guy, you gotta love this movie. And is there a hotter woman in the movies than Monica Bellucci? No, I sure haven't seen one . I agree. And uh and it goes, uh perfect guy movie. Five stars. I mean, I just would say perfect movie. I don't need to gender it. No. And then uh and then finally, this Amazon customer, no name given, in twenty twenty-two, simply titles his review guns , and writes, Glad I finally watched this movie in its entirety. This was my favorite bad guy ever. I'm sick of cowardly bad guys. Five stars. His takeaway was Giamatti was not and I would argue