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Today on the show we are talking about the Manitou, a film that came out in nineteen seventy-eight, about a woman who finds a lump on the back of her neck, and then that is determined to be the reincarnation of a 400-year-old demonic Native American spirit uh she is aided by her quote unquote boyfriend who's a phony psychic and a native american who will help battle this evil uh spirit. We'll get into it, but first let me introduce my co-host. I mean, really, even just trying to explain it is almost impossible. I was really trying to like that's the simplest explanation. I will tell you this much. U uhh, an hour and sixteen minutes of the movie really could just go out the window and you could just watch the last thirty be because most of the ca I mean like like like this is a movie that introduces and discards characters constantly. Oh, by the way, that is Jason Manzucas. Welcome, Jason. And today on the show, sitting in how did this get made All-Star? Someone who is afraid of dumpster fires. And in this movie, you didn't get any of them. Please welcome the one and the only Jessica St. Clair. How are you, Jess? Good. What if instead of me it was the actress who played Mrs. Hurz? Remember Mrs. Hurz who just expired? I was obsessed with Mrs. Hurz. I knew you were. Mrs. Hurz is my favor ite sequence of the movie. I was obsessed with all of her herky jerky movement, her floating when she floating Her floating down the hallway, but then when Mrs. Hers gets quote unquote thrown down the stairs and it is just a burly man, a stunt man in a gray wig, who she is Mrs. Hers is an elderly woman who's I'm gonna say like in her nineties. She's old as hell. She's teeny tiny. She's got fruit bones. She's got bird hollow bones. She falls down the stairs with so much strength, it takes out an entire row of like of a of a banister. You know, like all of the crazy. Like they were made of popsicle sticks. It was the craziest shit. But when she started lifting up, I know we're jumping right in, but when she started lifting up and levitating, that's where I was like, oh, we this is bed knobs and broomsticks. Oh, yes. When you saw her feet off the ground. I mean, this whole movie, I mean, this movie is kind of like exorcist for dummies in a way. Uh, you know, in the sense that there is a demonic spirit and they're kind of fighting off the demonic spirit. But this side story where she lives, the old lady, is one of my favorite things because Tony Curtis is a phony psychic, and you open up on this moment where he's in this apartment and he has eerie music on. He has a mustache. He's reading tarot cards. A fake mustache. Which is revealed in such a great way. Like, why is that even an element of his phony psychic that the psychic is more believable in a mustache or does he not want to be recognized out on the street? I can't quite tell I I could why go into just the establishment of Tony Curtis, this one two of you meet him in a scene in which he's exactly as Paul said, he's got the mustache on, he's wearing like a kimono, I think. He's doing a tarot card reading. His whole thing is tarot, and he does tarot for elderly women in order to make money. Okay, great. Then the woman ex its. No. He takes off the mustache. He takes off the kimono. He his apartment is decorated with like medical equipment. Like he's sitting in a barber chair. a barber's chair. Yes. And honestly, Jason, that was a bit Jason coded. I was like Well you know eBay. You're a media Okay. So I knew it. Tried to buy the entire contents of a dental office. That's my point . Including chair, and I bought all the x-ray boxes, but I didn't buy the chair. So before you throw stones at Mr. Tony Curtis, turn the mirror on thyself because you were literally like I bet I thought to myself, oh, that your dream was re-reigned to get that chair in your house. My my issue with that chair was it's facing inward to the apartment instead of outward to a beautiful like bay window. Like right. So he pours himself a glass of beer and a champagne glass, which is an o the way that they're setting up his characters, like the minute she's the old lady's gone because he's a scammer, like he puts on like some hip music and takes off his you know robes and he's a cool dude. Uh and then the minute he pours the beer into the champagne glass, I'm like, well not so cool anymore. Uh just drink it out of the just drink it out of the can, my friend. But he sits in the barber's chair facing Inward Into the Inward. Yeah. Meanwhile behind him, beautiful Bay Windows. San Francisco. San Francisco. But nope, he's just wants to stare at his kitchenette. That's it. Something I just wanted to point out, the most upsetting part of this whole movie for me, and I'm this is not a joke, is his boobs . Oh yeah. His man boobs and how they are not just like, okay, I get like men back then, we didn't working out. We weren't like everyone was their man. Fine. But you're not even giving him an undershirt and I have to watch you in a thin tissue thin t-shirt and then another tissue thin button down so that I can see your nipples for ninety-nine percent of this movie. That's the thing that will haunt me the most. Jess, I'm I'm gonna say something here that might be controversial. I think he thinks I'm in great shape. Yeah. And you need to see here's what I'm gonna say. Here's what I'm gonna say. I need you to understand, St. Clair. This is 1978. This is the most fit man in America for 1978. Because also, this was a time, and I'm just getting this from my husband who said, you know, this was a time when of more like romantic stars of the past who had sort of peaked like past their prime, they would do these horror movies. Yes. So like Tony Curtis, right? We were meant to kind of think he was like a a like a swinging guy back in the day. He bagged women, right? He bagged Marilyn Monroe. Was that him? But well he also uh Janet Lee, he is Jamie Lee Curtis's father. He was with Janet Lee. Yes. Got it. So we're not. Can I say can I say something that is fucking so upsetting? Sure . In 1978 , when this movie was released, Tony Curtis is one year younger than I am currently. Oh my god. I thought he was in his late 60s, mid-60s to late 60s. At least. That is chilling. At least. But by the way, I gotta tell you, he carries himself like this. Like he is doing jokes. He like he's Tefl in this. Like it is a funny thing because the movie makes a lot of choices, and I would argue all of them wrong, but every choice is made with a hundred percent commitment. It would be like, hey, you know what? I thought the exorcist was good, but it just needs a couple more jokes. Like, why are we being so serious about this? We're jumping in on the Tony Curtis of it all. Yeah. And without a doubt, he is like the main attraction. But the movie starts not with Tony Curtis. That's right. The movie starts with Karen, right? Karen? Yes. Which is which I had read, which I had read somewhere was a was Susan Sarandon? Oh wow. No, no, no. It's Susan uh Strasburg. Strasburg. So the whole time. Oh , you're waiting. Yeah. I'm like, is it Susan? Who 's not Susan? But then I'm like, where does S usan come in? And then I had a whole thing like, thank God they're setting up these doctors as such fucking idiots so Susan Saranda could come in. Oh my god . And give like a the pit level project. I would love that, by the way if Sarandon had sh but we open with these two doctors who are trying to figure out what is growing on the back of Karen's neck. Yeah. And they are having a conversation that makes it seem as though, at least to me , these are the main characters of the movie. It's these are it's this is a medical mystery movie, and here we are. We're gonna figure it out. And they even have inside jokes with each other that when they're like, be a doctor, don't be an administrator, which keeps which comes back. They've got like bits and banter and and they also are dressed in the height of 70s fashion. It looks like they're renting cars at Hertz, or they've just won a golf tournament. Yes, everything is yes, yellow. And the hospital, the entire hospital has orange shag carpet. Carpet! Carpet. Here's my question. What is going on, guys? We cannot do this. We can't go back in time. We don't have the great space coaster to go back in time and see. But is that your preferred time travel method? I was gonna say is the great space coaster. I never knew that that was a time travel ing device. My understanding is that it only travels through space, not time. But I'm so curious. Tell us more about the great space coaster, Jess. Well my point is, I was two years old when this movie came out, and everybody making those TV shows and movies were coming off such a an acid trip that it lasted like 10 full years. So to them, all of this makes sense. But as a like historical record, my question is, I thought lab coats were always white. That that's but they made such a crazy choice that they are mustard yellow. Yes. As if they're Caldwell banker agents or whatever. Did that happen for Century Twenty One. Well century twenty one. They c this whole movie basically takes place in a hospital, and I feel like they built the hospital, but that hospital is way too colorful. I actually was like I kind of like it. It feels very like Stanley Kubrick in a way. Like it feels like I'm seeing these like very like shining level images. Right. And color schemes. Yes. I don't think hospitals were ever this carpeted. I'm well they definitely were not carpeted. They can't have been . Imagine like all the blood pouring out of someone onto the carpeted . Just anything, yes. What is going on? That's a horror movie. I I also think that these doctors are not fully versed in uh in how to treat people when they are having this conversation about this woman looking at the x-rays and then they go out into the waiting room like up like just take down your shirt. Let's go figure it out right like there's no room. No they don't want to bring her room. No, they're just doing it in like a public waiting room. That straight up looks like my finished basement that they're in. And they're just like, take off your blouse. And I was literally like, this is an unsafe situation for her sexual . When the one doctor said I've looked through every tumor book available. I was like, what? Book. And I love that the only way they can kind of have any insight or any thought as to what's going on is because there's a medical chart on the wall behind them that is the gestation period of from embryo to fetus. Yet they are tumor specialists, not OBS OBGYNs. I mean that I I will say this. Uh I have two thoughts. One being the great space coaster only went to Coasterville. It was not a time traveling device. Uh is Coasterville in space though? It is in space. Yes, yeah. And do we know is it out of time at all? We don't know. Maybe time works different to the state. It's just a habitable asteroid floating in space. Now I wouldn't have come on. Get on board. Only uh news ganoes for Gary Gano. It's good Ganoo. No new no ganous . No news Gary Gano o. Guys, we're having a great time. The original Tucker Carlson, Gary Kenneth. Oh my gosh. All right. Well, I think that might be Stan the Eagle. So we know that these guys are tumor specialists. They are uh, but they have this like OBGYN thing on the the wall and then I was like, it doesn't make sense to me that it's growing on the back of her neck. Put it in her belly. Make her pregnant and make the pregnancy weird. Why is this done like this? I actually think that was a great choice. I think for somebody who gets really grossed out really easily, who's scared of everything, having a fetus grow on your upper spinal cord is quite nasty, disgusting, and also as we learned in the final shot of the movie, a fact that this had happened to a Tokyo boy. Okay, first boy from Tokyo. Fact colon. Okay, first of all, the the boy colon. That's what it said. It said fact colon. This actually happened to a Tokyo a boy in Tokyo. The the movie ends with what maybe should be at the beginning, which is like in nineteen sixty nine in Tokyo. Yes. A young boy developed this on his in his chest, right? Oh it was his chest? It was his chest. Oh okay. I I'm pretty sure it was his chest. But now uh any research into this, there's no history of that. That is not a r uh a real statement. So that this Well my my feeling is like that couldn't this have been uh this true case uh an instance of like a vestigial twin that didn't grow and there's there's something in the body, but it's not it's not gestating, it's not growing and gaining size and kind. Like that's the other thing about what's happening to her is the fetus that's on the back of her neck is growing so fast that it grows into a man like me, spoiler , a man is birthed from her neck tumor in the third act of the movie. That's what we're doing . Which, by the way, I will say it's on the level of the best scare tactics I've ever seen. They do this multiple times in scare tactics where a woman is going into labor, they bring somebody in, and then uh you know, and then uh uh uh somebody pops out and covered in blood just like this. This is the premise of I would say 25% of the best scare tactics episodes. It was so disgusting. But I would say this: so so much malpractice going on because she comes in, she gets examined in somebody's finished basement. Then they're like, you know what? Go home. First of all, they don't tell her that they think it's a terribly malignant tumor. They're like, go home. You got a fetus on your neck, possibly. Go home and have a night of it. Okay. When she's and they come back in the morning. Guys, believe women. And their answer was go have a hot soak and we'll see you back for surgery. There's nothing they can do about it. All right. They got like what have a drink, go out on the town. Her first call. Tony Curtis, amateur psychic. Who they're not even dating at the time. She's like, you're the only person I feel like I could connect with, but they haven't spoken in months. And then she sort of like sleeps on the news that that thing is like moving around in her. And then they have, I think, sex in front of the room. Well, they both are in robes. They write. They go back it hard cuts to them back in his apartment in robes. And you think it's postcoidal, but it's not, because he then suggests something that is like they're about to have sex. So like they went home and just changed into bathrobe? Well that's the way that's the seventies, just like why like get get into shorts, get it, you know, or get into your uh, you know, just get comfortable. By the way, I will say that just because we're talking about sex, Tony Curtis is uh it's established that he lives next door to a sex worker because as he's like letting out his old lady I thought that was another psychic. I thought that was dressed. She was provocative. And then when he said to her, Well, I heard your act last week. I was like, well business is slow for the sex worker if she's only doing it weekly. But maybe you're right. Maybe it's house of psychics. No, yours makes a lot more sense, Paul in a lot of ways because she was dressed in like a see-through negligé type body suit. But perfect example of another character that is introduced. Seems like she might be significant to Tony Curt is's character, then completely abandoned. Another, when Tony Curtis seeks out the help for the seance of his his old friend and her uh husband who with the beard, he goes to the the store that sells nautical equipment and occult gear. That's I was like, what is this? This is I love those things. This is all ship stuff and occult stuff? What what what's the store here? Well you know what it's for? Because when you have two niche markets, you can't just characters those characters arrive, they do a very dramatic seance, which we should talk about , and it's terrific, but then never heard from again. Never see them again. Not important to the plot. I mean, again, the movie goes on for an hour and sixteen minutes. We meet Burgess Mered ith, who oh right, who might have gotten the same memo as Tony Curtis that this is a comedy, because he's playing like he does a bit in this movie that made me laugh so hard. Like can I guess? Yes. Which is when they all come in, they all sit down and after they sit down, he said, please have a seat. Yes. Wait, which one is Burgess? Who is that? He's the he's the professor, the old man professor. Oh God, he was really eating up that scenery. Chomp, chomp, chomp, chomp, chomp, chomping it up. Chomp titty chomp chomp chomp. By the way, thank God they were chomping it up because otherwise I think we would have been very bored. Oh, yes. We needed a change of location for sure, but whoever put up those cobwebs took their set design class from fucking Paul's Halloween decorations outside his house. I'm taking that. You could have done a better job. You could have done a much better job, Paul. On the set design. Well it was 78. We didn't have the technology. We didn't have 15 foot Jack Skellington. Yeah, oh my god. It could have gotten in there. But that like this is what is so interesting about the movie. The movie basically is saying , hey, there is a thing that that's the that the the voice of the movie is like hey. It's more like hey, hey, this is the voice of the guy . I was out last night drinking. I was out last night drinking. I'm a little messed up. Hold on. All right. So hey. Hey. Hey . Hey. The man in two calling. What's up? Since my mom was diagnosed with advanced endometrial cancer, it's been hard for her. There's so much she needs to understand. What are her treatment options? How can she talk about them with her care team? Learning about an available treatment option at advanced endometrial cancer.com can help her feel ready to have an informed conversation with her doctor. The doctor will see you now. That's us, mom . You too can visit advanced endometrial cancer.com and learn more about a treatment option. 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Upfront payment of forty-five dollars for three-month plan equivalent to fifteen dollars per month required. Intro rate first three months only, then full price plan options available. Taxes and fees extra. See full terms at Mintmobile. But the movie is like, hey, listen, this thing is dangerous. And if it comes out, it's gonna be bad. And some people are like, well, we should maybe let it come out. And it's like, I'm telling you, it's bad. No, and that's the first hour and 16 minutes is just debating what should we remove it or not remove it. And some people are like we should, some people are like we shouldn't. And then the like but we don't get to deal with the manitude or I would say, you know, this is maybe very much in malignant territory, which is movie Jess you didn't see where a person does have a I would love to re watch malignant with Saint Clair. Malignant is uh a person on the back as somebody said. But it's like this movie is this waiting water for an hour and sixteen minutes of just like, uh-huh, uh-huh. Now, the moment that got me though early in the film was they're trying to operate on the the cyst, and in the middle of the operation, the surgeon's like uh this is early on. He's like, uh uh and he cuts the wrong side of his wrist. That's like he's doing it where you put the watch face,. like Like well my question was sawing through bone, actually. Yeah, I was trying to figure out if he was trying to stop himself from being able to do the surgery. Okay. If the if the the man or the the medicine man, who what we later find out is the medicine man is reaching out and and making the surgeon unable to perform the surgery. Same hand gets then bitten by the spirit alligator, or lizard rather, when it comes up and the d same doctor is like hypnotically drawn to put his hand out for the lizard to bite. You know, like there's something about it wanting to destroy his ability to do surgery or something. But that's why they have to bring in the lasers. I I love that I love that interpretation, but again, I feel like anytime you're putting an extra layer on things, you've got to actually like when you go, when a woman gets dressed, you know, for to go out, you always take one thing off. Okay. So know that all all I mean and my my preference would be the bra. Of course. And by the way, we should talk about those boobs that were shown to us. Oh incredible. That's when the movie really got. I was like, thank God we're finishing straight. Less of Tony Curtis's boobs and more of that woman's boobs. Why'd we wait so long? That woman's boobs and uh the manitou's lump where his penises were equally bulbous and beautiful and shiny. Uh I mean that man This movie this movie does the thing which every cause we don't always do, we not that we don't always, we very rarely do 1970s movies. Yes. You know? And it reminded me, especially a 70s movie like this that's kind of schlocky and not great. Um, it reminded me of the thing, and it always happens too when I watch old uh 70s and 80 s TV shows, how much time it takes to do everything. They show cars traveling down, they show so much just interstitial business as be shocked at the time . We need to see them get out of the car, drive to the place, get out of the car. I don't want to admit this. You put it at one point five times the speed. Oh boy. This is a Paul Sheer special right here. It It's' nors normalmal. . In fact, I kept checking I gotta speed this thing up. But when they're going Pana Witchy Pana to like we need to pace it up. If I was the director of it, pace up the dialogue. That was the thing. Whenever I see like a movie where I don't notice the difference at 1.5, it just it you're like, oh, something has gone wrong here. Like they are stretching it. Now I will say this. This manitou is based on a popular book and the script was written in three days and apparently all the dialogue was written verbatim from the book. Oh my god. Oh, because I thought Tony Curtis might have done his own pass with some of his bon mos. I I'm imagining that Tony kind of put it like zooshed it up a little bit. Yeah. Like I, you know, but I feel like this was just shot out super quick. I mean three days. And it written by th three people. And they must have been on some drugs. Like some heavy, heavy drugs. Yes. Yeah, I well, I mean if you're gonna write a whole script in three days, you're not sleeping. This is a I'm certain this is a cocaine. I mean this guy is kind of like the guy who wrote it William Girdler is Girdler. Girdler. He's bringing the Girdler. He'll fix it. Girdler got it. Quick Batman the Girdler. Get me Girdler on the phone. He is a guy who's making schlocky movies. He was sued by Warner Brothers, uh, that his film Abbey 74 was a ripoff of the Exorcist 73. You know, he also he made the movie Grizzly. Uh we did uh Grizzly 2 here on the show. Oh uh like he is a guy, you know, he's just a guy who's like I'm following the trends. Uh sadly, he passed away before the movie came out. He died in a helicopter accident while scouting locations for his next uh film. So brutal. Well, maybe the manitou got him, you know, honestly. You don't want to open up that dark magic. I was just gonna say it might have been dark magic. It might have been. That was one of my favorite quotes. Doctor, do you believe in dark magic? Magic . I'm gonna ask every doctor I have now if they believe. I wish before I got my back operated on I'd said, Doctor, do you believe in dark magic? Well, Jason, I don't think you would have gotten your back operator on if you knew that there could have been a manitude . What's going on what's going on? That's why your back was messed up. You got a little man back then. I got a little I got a medicine man gestating in my lower vertebrae. By the way, they they say something so funny where like you're you're trying to figure out like well how does this medicine man attach to somebody? And the only excuse given is she must have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. That 's it. Done. I couldn't figure this out at all for me I'm like, okay, they find a virgin. You know, something. There has to be logic to like. You went to a museum, you looked into a uh like the like the eyes of something. You did something you did a thing. You some transaction has to hap we see meaning we see the transaction. We the audit. Right, you know. But that just can't happen off screen. It can't happen off screen. She must have done something. She must have been hit the wrong place at the wrong time is to me. It's so like lazy like it's like just have an opening scene where they're walking in a museum I'll buy it I'll buy it there's so many ways to do this but there's also something about the the actress who's playing Karen , the woman affcklicted with the ne fetus, is so charming and lovely and gregarious, and she's never suffering in any way like that. She's really trying to make the best change. She's not yes. She's like, I'm sure it's nothing. Let's hang out. Let's have a good time. She's just hanging out, which is so funny. We're led to believe that she and Tony Curtis like have a role in the hay while she's got a fetus on her neck. She's cool with that. Like yeah, imagine nuzzling up to someone's neck and then feeling it move to get more comfortable. Yeah. Oh man. But that's how down that's how game she is for a good night and a good time. She is fun. And that's why at the end, when she fucking starts shooting her own lasers out, like life is like she you get that anger because this brings up another I'm very curious to talk about for one of the things that I couldn't make heads or tails of in this movie, I guess until the very end obviously, is why all of the interior spaces of the host of the hospital rather have what I would term NASA level computers with gigantic wall sized computers full of screens and knobs and readouts and he says himself, I'm a tumor specialist. I think a mid-1970s, maybe there was one computer that took up a building and that was like and that was located and then the military had it. I don't think any one else had access to this types of robots. So clums ily like put in locations. Like he is in a wood paneled office, the doctor. He's sitting behind a nice big desk and where you would normally see like behind the doctor photos and books, whatever, it is a giant computer, like Jason is saying, like a giant like beep pop you know, and you're like we it's so like yeah yeah, put it here. Put this gi and that I believe that that computer has no screens on it whatsoever. It's just buttons and lights. It's like a Doppler . But I'm saying it's wall size it's like it's easily six feet tall and and and eight feet across. It's so big that it you would think it would have to be referenced. He would have to say this machine does does this. also the first scene of the movie, they're looking at x-rays, and on the back wall, it's like those real-to-reel tape like computers. Like again, most hospitals are not fully computerized. There's no reason for them to be fully computerized like that. Like that's a lot of people. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they're like they're not running they're never running experiments through them. It's so then my understanding is I mean I'm I'm doing this is I guess the m the logic of the movie is all that stuff needs to be there in order for at the end of the movie to say the manitou of all these machines needs to be able to course through her so she can shoot topless lasers out of herself. Now the Manitou, just so you there's not the evil character in this, uh the Manitou is a tr is a true thing, a spirit, right? It translates to the Great Spirit in several Algonquian languages. And if you're wondering, Algonquins were not uh on the West Coast at all. That's another big change. As this movie surmises. Yes, uh the move the book uh takes place in New York, they moved it to San Francisco. But yes, he's a supreme being, a creator of all life, a vital source of spiritual energy. And at a certain point in the movie the the Native American man that is brought in to solve who is not uh native at all. Uh it just seems like he's John Singing Rock. Is that his looks like he put a little bit of paint on uh himself, but John Singing Rock says, yes, everything has manitou. Guns have manitou. Your sandwich has a Manitou. Like all of a sudden, like everything is Manitou. Everything is Manitou. My favorite thing in that scene where we meet John Sing and Rock where it's like so they go in act two, they go in on this like journey of like we need to find out what is what , right? So yes, they go to that's when they go to Burgess Meredith, they go to a professor, that's when they they they they're trying to get information. The doctors, Burgess Meredith, and they end up with John Singing Rock. And John Singing Rock is like working out in the back and he's moving like a hoe in the dirt so not engagingly at all. He's do and they keep cutting back to it like he's busy at work and he's not. No, and it's very um it's very law and order coded. Very like he's not gonna stop doing his duty of pushing tiny pebbles around, you know, in a in a sandbox to to address this guy. The other thing that that guy said that was the best line, I believe, of the movie, he said , you still got room for a South Dakota Indian with a bag of tricks. He was forced to say that I mean there are some things here. He also does it for an absurd amount of money, right? Like $100,000 , right? Yes. And like where is that money coming from? We never established because at the end of the movie, he just gets a pack of cigarettes. Yeah. Which is also like So offensive. So offensive. Awful. He says he says that uh when they ask him like, hey, look, this great evil is coming. He's like, well, normally I wait three risings of the sun before I take on a job. Oh come on, man. Yeah, there was some really tough stuff in here. Um I feel like they did him dirty. They they did Karen dirty. Um the for me, I I do wanna be f before we get totally down the road of that, the seance uh that includes the old woman with like the old white haired woman, who was who was she Who was that? And I thought was she somebody that told we saw earlier I'm like because there were so many old ladies like this it's Karen's aunt oh okay is what we're being told we've never met her we don't know her like she looks a little bit like Shelly uh Winters. She looks like Shelly Winters. Because they said we have to go have a stance where she lives, where Karen lives. So now we're meant to make the leap that Karen lives with her elderly and maybe that is it. I don't know. It doesn't make sense to me. But then they're also living in like a weird old mansion. Which I loved. Yeah. This is the part of the movie that I was like, oh, cool. I'm interested in this. And then I really liked the effect of the spirit coming rising up through the black liquid as if the table was liquid. I thought that looked cool as hell and I was like, oh, all right. Now we're now we're getting somewhere. And then none of that ever happened again. None of those people ever came back aga That that head, which you thought was very cool, but I thought looked like a jelly mold. It was like like a gelatinous , it wasn't speaking anything that we could understand. So it doesn't give us any information. It pops up and then pops back down before we get any story. Right. Yes. Yeah. I just liked it as an effect. That like, oh, the the the I've never seen that kind of a thing where the table becomes liquid and a and a spirit comes out. But again, now that I'm thinking about it, I'm like, why the hell did that old woman get possessed? Like why? She's like, and why did like the whole room the and then the room explodes to a degree that it would absolutely have killed every single person in the room? Yes. The whole like the windows, glass, shatters throughout the room, there's wind whipping around, the chandel like I was surprised that's it. I was surprised how few fatalities there were in this movie. It seemed to me Everybody should be dead. Who died? Except for that old woman. Mrs. Hurz. Is the old woman? Somebody in the hospital. Somebody in the hospital. Who the frozen woman? That woman was great. Oh, that woman's dead too, definitely. But no, no. I'm talking about there's a like an orderly or there's somebody Well that was his fault because he fell asleep while that he was supposed to be guarding that guy and he fell asleep. They're like, hey, nurse, you like they don't call the cops, they just let an uh an orderly who there is a a man. There is a uh there is a little person covered in blood who has come out of someone's neck and he can't even struggle to stay awake as Can you imagine if you saw that and were like uh and and the the medicine man now birthed covered in blood and viscera is the only thing that's stopping him from wreaking havoc is a circle of sand, like a ceremony that uh John Singing Rock has done. And so that's keeping him contained. So they say to the guy, hey, you watch this guy to make sure he doesn't cross that line of sand. And if you And we'll go have a meeting in the other room, we're gonna sit out and chat. We're gonna go sit we're gonna go hang out in the area where the guys are passing out cigars because they had a baby. Like it's keep This violent creature has just come forward into our world. Yeah, you and this guy falls asleep. This guy falls asleep. Honestly, he had it coming. That's the thing. We don't give a shit. And I don't know why he was still alive, but he was also a version of him skin. Well, I think he gets reanimated. I think that's the thing is like the um the medicine man I believe can like possess or take over people. So I think while the man is dead, uh the medicine man is able to take over his body and puppet it to do stuff. You know who I feel bad for? That fucking nurse. That nurse who was left on the floor. Yeah, they're like, hey, take take everybody off this floor. Well there's only one person on the floor. It's her. And and you think, okay, go ahead, they're gonna clear the floor. Nope. They leave one nurse and she's like, she's like frozen mid consolo. Like they go up someplace and then when they come down, that entire floor of the hospital looks like it has it is now on Hoth. Yes. Cosmetics. It is a frozen tundra of a hallway and there is like ice and uh webs and uh like the woman is frozen so they're not concerned at all about her zero no no no one even goes oh my God, so and so. Nope. Nope. Nope. No, her life is meaningless. We gotta save Karen. And also, by the way, Karen, we should have said long ago is a lost cause because she's a pile of skin. Yes. Once that thing comes out of her, she seems to be just a saran wrap, like glad trash bag of a person. Let's let Karen go. No, she is somehow the most we need to save her above all else. And and the reality is ever ybody keeps saying she's not gonna live through this. Let's be clear, she is likely not to live. And Tony Curtis is like, you're wrong. And I don't believe in their love. I'm not like on board. I mean I appreciate that he's fighting for Karen, believe me, but But he won't even say that they're girlfriends. They like that he's they'll say that how do you know it? We know each other. It's like okay. Is that really talking about more the seventies and how people were all about having Let's not put a label on it. Let's not take a show. It's San Francisco in the seventies, baby. Yeah. Like you want to do that. I've got a dental chair in my house. You know, I' Im'm I'm mixing it up. I mean, I will also say, and maybe I'm just so wrong on this, but Tony Curtis reads very gay to me too. So I'm also like, I'm not like I'm not even bothering that like he's got tons of girls. Like I I feel like yes, he's wooing like older women. Like he's got this other thing going. Let me ask you this. Do you think so you so we all assume that that night they have sex? Tony Curtis and um Karen . Do you think that the presence of the medicine man makes it a three-way ? Oh yeah, of course. Do you think the presence of the gestating medicine man on the back of her neck makes it a three-way? Well, that I think that that 's why this is that's why he's committed. He's like Well that was the best sex we've ever had. And he wants to then I think there's a secret part of it where he's like when he goes down to fight the medicine man, I think he's like, you know what, maybe we can fight a different way. The the amount of people that were having sex in front of burnt like roaring fires in the seventies is something that is such a trope. Like that was ev did everyone have a fireplace like in their bedroom or was everybody opting? And this is what I think. I think we've done a couple movies where this happens where people were like, we could have sex in the bedroom, but instead, why don't we do it on the floor? Of course. On a bear skin rug or something in front of a fire. And just on that nice hard floor where it's everybody. I think that's meant to be like, you know what? Everybody has missionary sex in bed. That's what sex is now. So in order to s like establish this is the 70s. This this is the counterculture. This is San Francisco. It's like, it's like no people who are really adventurous, they do it on the floor. I mean, honestly, there are certain things that you realize like as you get older when you're a kid, you're like, oh, I just thought that all like good sex was happening on the floor. Or in the floor. In the kitchen, on or yeah on sands. Yes, every like it was never, never a bed. Never a bed. No bed was for fucking losers. It was like, yeah, it was like you gotta get you gotta get this person in a weird spot. And you try to give one hand job on a beach and you find out it's dangerous. Shredding. I'm not saying that happened to me. I'm not saying that my nickname became sand job for the rest of that summer. Wow. I'm not saying that that boyfriend, ex-boyfriend, ended up telling my husband at a wedding that I was famous for giving a sand job, but I'm telling you that this is a PSA that's gotta go out to the youth of America. People need to know. People now some would argue that somebody should know that just in general. Just wipe your hand off, Jess. Like just like you don't have to it seems like you grabbed hand aful of sand and use that as like lubricant. One loose I know one loose grain one loose grain of sand is gonna cause a whole lot of sand. Oh my god. Let me take it. It takes one grain of sand to make an a pearl in an oyster. Imagine what that does to the poor guy is just picking shell fragments out of his urethra. You know, and and I will also say you never never jerk off in a in a lobster trap. Like I you know, sometimes you because I you know I've you sometimes you mistakenly grab those lobsters and it really yeah boy oh boy Enjoy the sunshine with sales on grill ready favorites from Whole Foods Market. Take cookouts to sizzling new heights with their marinated salmon and made-in-house marinated beef and chicken. 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But again, we have to make it all about Karen's so sh we leave her as a skin suit. Which honestly thank God she didn't get killed because we get to see her boobs in a couple minutes and then died. Thank God. Yeah, they're thank God so much of the movies she has to either have a gigantic bow around her neck, which honestly, if you talk about anything that's gonna be in danger of killing her, it's that. Yeah. You know, she's hiding those treasures for most of the things. Isn't there like a short story? I remember this is a kid where a girl wore like a a ne like a neckerchief or uh around her neck and then when they undid it, her head fell off because she got her head chopped. That sounds right. That sounds right. Yeah. I will say this. Uh I was shocked that when we finally do see the manitou , it is a a person of short stature uh who who appears because it's not a baby that has come out, right? It is a fully like it is a fully realized and they say that that he er he he grows into adulthood rapidly and is born. Uh but again I just was shocked that she was able to provide enough n do you think there's an umbilical cord that goes to the back of her neck? Well that's what I that how I feel like he doesn't need food. He doesn't need something like so. He's growing supernaturally. I'm so curious why the back of the neck. Why not the why not have it be the womb? Why not have it be the womb? I just really don't think we would have been that freaked out by a pregnant woman. It's on the neck, on the top of the neck, gross. But what if it was a pregnant woman? You're maybe you're right. But if it was a pregnant woman, but it was moving as quickly as this. Like it was growing to full term and and now is like a a like uh becoming an adult. Well then we're gonna have to see the manitou come out of her vatch. And that I don't think I I keep talking. Keep talking about it. Don't you think she would have rather had a vaginal birth than a neck birth? I mean I look I don't I think if you're I think if you're passing that manitou, any way that you're passing that manitou is gonna be painful. I I actually think she would she would never be able to walk again if that if that if that person came out. I don't want to do it natural. I'm having a neck section. I scheduled my neck section so that I I can control it I I like where this movie goes because the Manitou , when he is out, he first is in stasis for a very long time. Just frozen, he gets powerful, and then what they realize is because Tony Curtis in a moment of desperation throws a computer printer at him. And we've already established with his man boobs that he doesn't have a ton of upper body strength, but he seems to have no problem lifting what should be the world's heaviest computer and throwing it at him. Just throws a computer printer at him and he says at one point we're surrounded by all this technology and all these amazing inventions. It's a it's a shame that we could that we can still have this medieval uh medicine man attacking us. Like, well, no, that would be the one thing that you can't control. Like that like the technology will not help you again. Well wait, now I'm thinking, is this movie really an exploration about you know, our primal forces versus technology? And is that something they're trying and I don't understand how technology wins? I think it yeah, I do think that is what it's saying. Is like like like it is looking backwards or looking forwards, it is the technology of the future is gonna kill the superstitions of the past or whatever. So basically it's fuck you these computers will destroy them. Because part of me was like, why does the medicine man have to be a villain? I don't get like I don't get why he's like a bad guy. Right, you know that that that's what Burgess Meredith is like. He's like, I would like to meet him. Wouldn't be cool to meet him exactly. And we'd actually the truth is, we don't know if he is good or evil because we never give him a chance. They're just trying to kill him the entire movie. It's like if aliens arrived and you just tried to start killing them. You know like he arrives and nobody is like, hey, what do you want? What's going on? Let's hear him out. Let's hear him out. Let's hear him out. And also doesn't Tony Curtis say on his way out when he's saying goodbye to John singing rock. He was sad that he didn't get to know him. Oh yeah. And I'm like, okay, well the first thing you did was draw a printer at him. So like that's a terrible first impression. Did you but I Yeah there was n I couldn't figure that out. Like why didn't they ever try and communicate and or find out what did he want? And maybe it's in there and I just missed it, but no I never understood what the uh there was no ex position for what did what was he or why now . He eventually wants to get to the eighth life. If he gets to the eighth life, then he gets to ascend to the next level. That's it. Okay. And every life he gets stronger, quote, and stronger. Okay. So did this life count, even if he's around for a little bit? Interesting. Well, yes. Probably. Because you know why he said the manitou's still alive, which I believe was this shitty uh d screenwriter's idea to have a manatee . Oh we gotta have a man. Oh man itou would have Japan. Yeah, and we write that origin story. And we probably would have had he not died in that helicopter crash. Wait, technically the ending is a prequel, right? Because Japan happens. Yes. Yeah, ten years. Oh yeah. So we we could go, we could actually bring we could bring it back. I feel like the movie I'll go topless. I'm ready. I'm ready to rush whatever. The lasers were incredible. That was some nuts stuff. Yeah, I really felt like I could not make heads or tails of what this movie was really about. Right. There's no there's no like the theme is there's a lot of mixed things At one point John Singing Rock says love really is the best medicine. Yeah. So then I thought when Tony Curtis dec ides to go toe to toe with the man at two and go, hey Hey, I don't like how you That's my girl. That's my girl. I thought, oh, okay, are we gonna show That's my girl, but we're not monogamous. I just want you to know you guys can do mouth stuff, but anything more, and she has to okay it with me. I mean like that's and then and then quickly we're like Tony, what the fuck are you doing? You're not gonna be able to like just tell them off like you would, like a bad taxi driver, you know what I mean? So that's not it, but yeah, people put put forward lots of themes. Yes, I also thought that for sure, somehow Tony Curtis's tarot card slash psychic abilities were gonna allow, we're gonna become, we're gonna become because you know there's that moment where he gives Karen a reading and the exact same cards come up and it seems very prophetic. It seems like it's really it seems like oh maybe Tony Curtis does have some sort of It's the same card that kills Mrs. Hurts. It's ghost, right? Isn't it ghost of that idea that Ruby Goldberg is so I was like why doesn't he have why aren't his powers helping him uh communicate with uh the medicine man or helping him you know, whatever it is. He like shut that off and he now c like but there's a there's a line in it that really makes me laugh because you know, John Singing Rock meets the uh the medicine man, right? You know, or the medicine man's frozen after he freezes him. And then at one point the the there's an earthquake that just rocks the hospital. And they're like, Waho, that was some earthquake. It's like, well, no, it's clearly this medicine like it wasn't an earthquake, it was a medicine man. And he goes, That was no earthquake. That is the great old one. And they go, Who the hell is he? He's like, eh, devil, Lucifer, Satan, Prince of Darkness. Doesn't matter. Like, wait, ha like we again, we're just like, that's the first time we're hearing this information. So who gave who who climbed out of his back is not the great one? It's not Lucid.. It It is is. It is. But when you just are hearing the first time. It's the strongest of the medicine men, you know, of the devil? Yeah, you're right. That's not at all what we were told earlier. He's comparing him to a devil. He's saying he's like it's basically saying, uh oh, it's a bad guy, not a good guy. You know what I mean? Right. So we I guess like his thought was, okay, if I freeze him, I'll be able to like figure it out. Yeah, check in on it and figure out. Yeah, we'll get we'll get a sense of we'll get a lay of the land before so he can't take off, you know. Wait a second. So why does the does he turn it into the planet of Hoth The med yeah the medic ine man does it. Yeah yeah yeah okay to freeze everything yeah for sure yeah and then and then when and I loved this because the the movie's just doing it all. So they come back down and it is now the Hoth planet. The hallway is Hoth, right? It's frozen, it's icy. The nurse is frozen in place. She's dead. It is ice and cold and glacial. And then they open up the door to Karen's room and it is the cosmos. It is just outer space. We are now inside the stars. And this is where I was like, what the fuck? And everybody, nobody, nobody says, what the fuck is this? Yeah. Yeah. Nobody says. And he just says it's an illusion. He does say John Singing Rock said this is an illusion. Yeah. But to me, it looks like the opening credits of 321 Contact. You know, it's just like Wow. You know, by the way, Great Space Coaster and 321 Contact is a reason is the dude for everything happening. Contact is the Oh my god. I can't believe you just said 321 contact. That is triggering. No, that shit is like found footage from a Carl Sagan documentary being showed. Truly, but like, and I understand why John Singing Rock is like, this is fine. This is I understand what this is. Tony Curtis should be like tearing his eyes out. Yeah. He should be like, I don't, it's 1978. I'm 52, which is younger than Jason Manzucas is now. What is happening? I don't understand the world I'm in. I've just heard Led Zeppelin. Right. Am I gonna fall into space? Yes. Because what I would think is like, don't go a step further, because you're gonna fall into the great abyss. This is a this is a year after Star Wars. All I'm gonna say is it goes back to a night of great sex. This man has lost his mind. He's going to face the manitude by himself. Like he's often putting himself in harm's way. He's say he's like, let me go by myself. And he has no plan. Ever. Yeah. And I also don't believe he loves her. I mean, I know he I mean he cares about her, but I mean, enough the movie has not made me feel like this is the love of his life. He needs to save her. You know what I mean? It's just like a friend who they meet up for a walk in the park and have casual sex. That's all it is. I also would ask why is John Singing Rock willing to put himself on the line for a pack of tobacco? It's clear that like he is going to most likely perish trying to fight this. But we never hear why. Why does he take it on? Here's the other thing. If this bad guy, the this wet this wet gummy bear that comes out is is he going is he going to destroy the world? Yeah. Well that's we don't know what we don't even know. We don't even we don't even know he's the devil until somebody just says it casually. Because like if John so then I understand if John Singer Ox, like, listen, if this guy comes out, he is gonna destroy ultimately the world. So we really have no choice. I'm the only one who can do this. Then I get it. I think that is maybe I mean that's getting a little bit of works for the movie, but I think that is what you I think you're right, Jess. I think he thinks I'm the only person that can maybe stand uh uh uh go toe to toe with with this character. Yes. Far be it from me to rewrite a script written in three days, but I would say this make her a uh a person who is a uh you know uh somebody who studies Native American culture, she has studied too much, she's gone in there and she understands, oh my God, I've been cursed with it. This is gonna bring on the end of the world. It's a line, it's a simple like and she's trying to tell people you have to listen to me. Or we go to the bumbling professor and he's like, here's the thing, guys. This is going to bring about the end of days. You've got to get him to convince him. But meanwhile, they're like, oh, you know what it is? That the fetus is actually clamping onto her spinal cord and she's going crazy. We gotta get it off. But like that's the that's why they don't believe her. And then and then all of a sudden, you know, Tony Curtis is like, I believe her, you know, because you know, maybe I'll get a little bit of action on this. And then uh and then, you know, and then they defeat it and they go home. But it Honestly. And and really she is just a bag of skin at that point. So like really what's he fighting for? But now she has lasers. By the way, how does she get those lasers? Not just lasers, she's shooting fireballs. Yeah, she's doing all sorts of stuff. And I love they all they do all the laser sounds, which make no sense. Make no sense . She is and then they don't really check in with her at the end, right? Like she doesn't really have like a like, oh thank God. We we save the day. It's like it's like and and like it we know we don't see like him and Karen walking in the park now. You know, her of slender neck, you know, no no fetuses in there. Um nope. They are just You know what she should say, I'm pregnant. And then it's like manat u. And then, by the way, my favorite moment is when that lizard bites off the doctor's hand. And Tony Curtis is takes out a handkerchief and just drops it. Like just A dinner napkin. He literally takes out and that's it. And then we see him with the dinner napkin wrapped around. Like, that's gonna help. You've lost all of your digits. I also felt like I can imagine Tony Curtis at this time, again, fifty-two years old, which is one year younger than I am currently, um, shooting this movie and being like, I don't understand. What are you saying? And they're like, we're gonna composite a lizard in here that's gonna bite the hand and he's gonna be like how where where is that? Like imagine him reckoning. This is like Tony Curtis. He's in like some like it, huh? Like this is amazing, incredible uh uh career. And now he's like, so I'm he puts his hand out and we all pretend like a lizard bit it. Well, here's the thing. I think we have to understand that not just the writers, but probably everybody in the cast and crew are also on cocaine. Yeah. Because I had a very old hairdresser who was like a hundred and five and he used to do Jack Nicholson. That explains a bunch of your haircuts . That explains why you had a Dutch boy haircut for so long. Truth. But he was on the set and he would say, Listen, I used to do Jack Nicholson. He would come in after being up all night doing cocaine and, then he would lay down in the chair and we would do him like do his makeup and hair while he was unconscious. Then he would wake up, get on screen, and he goes, We'd Jack would be doing a take, and Beverly D'Angelo would get behind the camera, take her tits out, and shake them to like distract him. And I thought that's fun, but that's what was going on then. We were all high on drugs. I thought you were gonna say I thought you were gonna say to create a better eye line for him like as a dog. Like you know We gotta show him we gotta show him boobs. We gotta show him boobs. No, they're not having fun. I remember doing a movie that was so uh off the rails, such a disaster, such a mess. And uh I went I was sitting in hair and makeup and the hair person was like, I was like, how's it been going? I'd been gone for a few weeks. And they're like, oh we are it's officially off the rails. This this movie is now Heaven's Gate. And I was like, which is a very famous off the rails movie production. And I was like, oh my God. And he was like, and sweetheart, I worked on Heaven's Gate. And I was like, oh my God. And he was like, he's like, the only difference is here we're miserable and on Heaven's Gate, we the reason we were off the rails is because there was a one trailer that was just cocaine and booze. And we all spent all day in that trailer. That's fun. So if you think people were stopping to ask continu ity questions, they were because they were out of their minds. Out of it. Out of it. That and a movie like this makes sense, I guess, to them. You know, but I will say that Tony is like giving a performance. Like he is not like not phoning it in. He seems like he's there. I mean, you know, and think he is I was gonna I'm gonna say everybody is doing a good job. This is a unsuccessful in so so so many ways but but beautifully unsuccessful but it's a it's it's well done it's a movie I was like I'm this is bad it's so slow at times but I was like this is nonetheless a movie, which I'm very into. Yes, it is. It's not even so bad, it's good. It's just it's confidently making a movie that has made a lot of wrong choices. And I think that that's a different type of film totally that is fun to watch. It it is it looks good, it is shot well, but it is uh a mess. Uh the did the and forgive me if you're about to say this Paul, but no. Did the person who made this movie make any other movies? Well he died before it came out. Oh he died before this came out. But did he do any prior, I mean? Like it was Well yes, he got sued for that one that was like he was like a kind of a shock. And then he did uh Abbey 74. Yeah. Yeah. Because this is this feels amateur, um, but it is it's very watchable. You know, yeah. I never felt like I was in bad hands. No, what like it's like well, actually it was funny in watching it was like but I'm just enjoying this. It feels like a like the first hour, I'm like, oh, I'm I'm here. It's not it's not overtly bad. It's like it's just it's got a 70s style to it. It you know, f it kinda sits in that world of like it feels like the zaniness of like a love boat episode mixed with like a little bit of like a cop detective . Well it's almost like a it's almost like a fantasy island episode. Yes, yes. Which were always which were always a step weirder than the love book. It was like an episode of television. That's what it was a Buck it had Buck Rogers vibes. Oh my first sexual awakening, Buck Rogers. Aaron Gray. Was it to Aaron Gray or was it to Gil was it to Gil? What's his name? It was to that robot. Oh, it was to Twinkie? Twinky the robot? Yeah. I remember I was so excited because I was like, wow, I can't wait. I was obsessed with it as a kid to get to the dates that were in TV shows and movies. And I think Buck Rogers did take off in like 1986. And I was like, oh, we're almost We're almost there. there. Wait, what was his name? Gil what? Gil Gerard. Gil Gerard, thank you. Now that's a guy who probably didn't have a lot of upper body strength, but they put him in a thick fabric. And that's why it's right. You cover it up a little bit. Christopher Reeve in great shape for Superman, and that is like primarily his body, but they're also padding it a little bit. Pat it. Pat it. Just a curious. Paddington. Paddington , it's Jay Paddington, the next Paddington, written by Armando Ianucci. Um Paddington gets jacked. That's a big part of it. Paddington Paddington's doing steroids for it. I heard it'sok maxing, bone breaking on his face, changing his snuff. A gigantic chin. It's just a kid. Paddington becomes part of the manosphere. Oh my god. Well, I'm I'm excited to see Padding ton just, you know, on Joe Rogan and uh talking to Fio Vaughn. He's anti vaccine. Paddington is on Ivermectin. I'm not even kidding. Which works better for him because it's a horse dewormer, so it works on bears. Paddington does meth before he works out because it helps him slim down. Uh all right, so here's the thing. Obviously we had an opinion about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. Paul and Jason and June talk a lot about what makes a movie good or not , but everyone knows they're actually full of she need a second opinion Someone that knows what they're talking about. We need a second opinion We need a second gimme a second we need a second opinion Thank you, wolves of Glendale, the Manitou on Amazon. Uh, it has 395 total reviews. Okay, 78% are five-star reviews. This is a kind of beloved film, and I would say that some of the five-star reviews not even that interesting, but they're kind of fun. Midwest hacker writes in 2024: I've been looking for this ever since my homemade VHS copy died. I consider this one of the last great skin crawler movies of the era. I'm in to the days of letting your mind form what might happen next. Plus, I like Native American hero characters. Five star s. That's an odd phrase. I'm into the days of letting your mind form what will happen next. So thinking what? I think what they're saying is uh uh they they leave in this movie they leave some stuff to the imagination. They don't show you everything. Like plot. Yeah. Necessary plot is left to the imagination. I think I think so. We're doing a lot of the legwork for these screenwriters. I like I like a movie where I have to make the choices. Yes. I like a movie that is poorly written, so I have to try and make sense of it. Yeah. Yes. Um the other thing was this is not really a review as much as it is just a statement. BL out of San Diego writes, Manitou, frightening movie which stars Tony Curtis. Five stars. Well, that is. True, it does star Tony Curtis. Yeah. And then this one uh kind of takes a different issue with things. Uh this is just from an IMDB review we actually had to move off of Amazon from uh Halle Devlin. Uh Hallie writes The whole idea itself was great, although the whole growing on her back bit was a tinged too dodgy . Okay. I mean, we're getting into that dodgy. Uh what unbelievable? Is it she's saying it's unbelievable Okay . But uh but uh but then finishes by saying this one is worth remembering for the look on Manitou's face when singing rock figured out it was the devil, priceless.. There you go I don't remember that. I don't remember. I don't remember Manitou really emoting much in that face. No, he really seemed trapped in like a prison. I feel like this movie. Okay, 1978. So David Cronenberg has already started making movies. Like this to me, this movie is like a body horror movie, but before we really dug in on body horror, you know what I mean? Like there's a way in which this could have been like really e electrically unsettling. But it ki Tony Curtis's presence is a look back to classic Hollywood. And being like, it no no no this is like the exorcist. It's just with all this body horror stuff. And boy, if it had been wetter and grosser and more Cronenbergian, this movie would have been, I think, incredibly fun to watch. By the way, just start it earlier and just and make more crazy shit happen. But they clearly are like they got four sets, they shot the shit out of 'em. I mean, like it's just the whole thing takes place in the hospital. The difference would have been, and I think this would have made the movie so much more interesting if the movie had simply been about Karen . The fact that it's about Tony Curtis makes no sense. He is well we couldn't have a movie about a woman at that point. We just a woman who's undergoing this horrible We feel we hear almost nothing about what it's like for her. Yes. And I think that's interesting. He is a story. There's there's only the lead character is the friends with benefits of the person who is going through the transformation it exactly and whenever Karen talks for three quarters of the film, it's through the voice of the manitude. We don't even get to hear her say this is tough. Yeah I mean like hey guys could I get some painkillers hey Harry this is pretty weird hey do you still think I'm set you still wanna go to you do you still w goanna to Napa next weekend? Guys, what I hear you guys saying though is that the scenes that worked for us were the ones in which somebody was viscous, somebody was bit of a wet viscous. More wet heads. The psychic powers, the the the stuff, the the seance, though the the wet head coming out of the table. Wait, again, though we keep coming back to the wetness. That is the thing. More of that, I would have taken that to Yeah. More, I think more bodies being thrown up against things, thrown across the thing, you know what I mean? More splurts and splats. Exactly. Instead of beeps and bops. Yes. Yes . Now I will say this that the ending of the book is a little different because uh the creature attacks New York City. So that's a little different. Oh wow. So uh so I think it's like a stave puff marshmallow man kind of ending in the book. So no happy ending. Uh well I don't yes, and I don't know how it ends. All I know is that that's what the ending is. Uh it's uh it the attacks make city. Guys, that makes more sense than what happened. I agree. And in the book, Karen is twenty-one and Harry is in his thirties, and she only hears about Harry from her aunt, but they never have met before the events in the book. So that kind of that little sex stuff. Reader for all the old women, so her aunt would know him. That's I like that so much better. Than