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Our best lineup is here at Lowe's Low's, we help you save . Valid through seven eight. While supplies last, selection varies by location See Lows. com for more details . Visit your nearby Lowe's on East Arkheads Avenue in Sunnyvale . Hello and welcome to Hysteria . I'm Erin Ryan. And I'm Alyssa Mastrimonico. And today we also have joining us the remarkable Francesca Ramsay. Welcome to be back. I'm so glad you're here. I'm so glad you're here for a full episode. I think it's been a few years since you've been for a full episode. So I'm going to spring a cold open question on the two of you. It was a big night for the DSA in New York. Big night. Yeah. Mam Danny went three for three with his endorsed candidates. What do we think Chuck Schumer's having for breakfast today? Musely . I was gonna say metamusal . Oh my God, this is not sponsored. It should be. You know what? I would a hundred percent accept free metamusal. I would read metamusal ads and then the cows come home. Thank you. I'm so glad to be with my elder millennial contemporaries. Lissen, Gen X is happy to have you. Thank you. Today we hear about Alyssa's experience at the Obama Center opening and reflect on the bygone era. Look back in the past four years since Dobbs was overturned. Oh my God, what is time ? And we look into leaked information about the Peter Thiel founded secret dialogue society, and of course we wrap up with Sanny Petty . Welcome back to Hysteria, the podcast that understands that the answer to why does JD Vance have such a difficult time acting like a normal human man is because he's three Peter Teals in a trench coat, right? Valid. Validate. I feel like you're overestimating how many Peters You think there's only two peers? One point five. Yeah, I was gonna say yeah there's a Peter Pun in there somewhere that I'm not gonna make, but I'm gonna say one and a half. Legitimate. So somewhere somewhere in the world there is a half Peter Teal walking around . I hate that . I hate that. Okay, you know, the reason we're talking about JD Vance as much as I don't really like thinking about him . I want everybody to check out this footage of normal human man JD Vance having a normal interaction with his human wife, Ushawa on her weekly hostage video, I mean, storytelling podcasts. Let's take a look. Thanks for joining us today, honey? Of course. Good to see you. So you're also a big reader. These days, it's mostly kids books. Right. That's right.. Yeah How many books a day do you think you read to our kids? Well, it depends on whether our kids are in a reading mood or not, as you know. So right now we have three kids. Obviously we have a fourth on the way, which we're very excited about. But so our eight year old likes to read his own stories to himself. And I think our six year old sometimes wants me to read to him, but he's kind of at an age where he likes to read a lot to himself as well. And then our four year old baby girl, she is the big reader, meaning she's the one who always wants me to read her books. So this morning I think I only read one book Demirabel, but normally it's two or three stories in the morning and then some stories in the evening as well. She really likes to reread her favorite stories and my view is that once I've read a story for that day, I don't want to read it again or else it gets very boring. So I will always be trying to read new books and Mira will always be trying to get me to read the same exact story . Oh my god , I'm falling asleep . I know the most boring. Oh my god. This is like watching oatmeal con geal. He is congealed oatmeal. Shout out to the turkey baster that has made that forth pregnancy possible. I don't believe these people have ever slept in the room. Oh my gosh. I feel like Usher recoiled when he did that knee pat. What was that? I don't know. I mean, look , that was weird. Yes. That was weird. Were they in a fight right before the segment? I don't I don't know. Also, like , why does she have a podcast? I don't know. There's no reason for her to have a podcast, but she has they have been together , whether on television like TV interviews or that podcast several times. Ushia is not my career or my concern , but she is always recoiling. She always looks like she's blinking into the camera to send a message to anyone who will pay attention. Yeah . Yeah, it's, it's crazy because I think Alyssa, you and I have talked about this before, but it seems like she and JD are trying to like soft launch themselves as America's first couple. Oh, one thousand percent. I mean this whole book tour has shown us a softer side of JD Vance. He keeps walking back the incendiary things that he said . He's tried to show us that he is amenable and he's open to correction. And it just comes across as so disingenuous. We all know what he's doing. He's trying to lay the foundation for what we all believe is the inevitable, which I will not say because the Feds are watching . But like I hate it. I hate it so much. And what I hate even more is that I think people are gonna fall for it. You do. I do. , Francesca, I don't. I think the more relatable he tries to be, the more repellent he is. Yeah . I hope so, but I guess I've just like lost faith. Well, I just think of it in contrast to what we saw last week, which we'll get into in a second, where the Obamas opened the Obama center in Chicago and our very own Alyssa Master Monica and half of the crooked media offices were there . I feel like looking at former president Barack Obama and former First Lady Michelle Obama is just kind of a reminder of like, oh, there are people who are good at this. Yeah, you know, who are comfortable in their own sk in? Yes. So Alyssa, why don't you tell us about the event and the feelings that are brought up? And then we can take a little we can take a little bath of nostalgic. Listen, we'll take a little bath. And also, if I get tear eyed, I apologize. I am both on a lower dose than I should be of my estrogen and also still in my feelings about all this. I will just say, if you are near Chicago or going to Chicago, visit it. It is not just a museum. I think it's like eighteen to nineteen acres of parks with barbecues that the Obamas fought the city to be able to have. It has a Chicago public library outpost that is darling. It has gardens, it has the most insane playground. It is a very special place . And I feel like it is not as much a tribute to them as it is a tribute to the community that brought them together and also sort of this manifest ation of what Michelle wishes that she had grown up with. Like if you ever hear Michelle talk about how when she was growing up, she was blocks from where the center is now , but she actually went to a magnet school that was outside of her neighborhood. And so she saw how other kids, like, what the parks in other neighborhoods look like. And she always wondered like it was always it's something she carried with her and that she talked about just like a couple days ago about what it meant to feel like you were less than like your park, your neighborhood somehow represented that you were less than. And so this is all this like very magical to bring the south side something that has always deserved . But there was also something as you're like making your way through this spectacular space. And it is, I mean, look, the billion dollars raised, you can see where the money went. There's no corners cut on pool peeling paint ribbons up here. Funny that you say that Erin, because as I am walking through and look, the vibes were ten out of ten, and it's like when you're at one of these events and you guys see all the famous people like Oprah and Gail and Tom Hanks and everyone's there , they kind of have to like consort with us. There's no special place for the fancy people. You're like, sorry Oprah, beep , trying to see my friend Farriel, just trying to get by. And we go in, there was a little champagne, you walk in, you start going through the museum , and I get to the exhibit of the letters, the letters that Barack Obama used to get every night as president from the White House correspondence office. They would pick ten letters from people who wrote in . And many, many mornings you'd come into a letter with a post and note on it that says what can we do? How can we help ? And it was a very special thing for all of us. One, it was a lot of extra work, but it was like a really, if you did nothing else that day, there was one letter that you addressed from someone who took the time to write in and tell you about their problem or concern. And as I was standing in front of this exhibit, I started getting text messages about how the actual reflecting pool had started peeling. The pieces of the floor were coming up. And I was like, how stupid is our timeline? Like, this is the dumbest. I can't believe that this is like breaking news and it felt like such a far time. You know, as you saw, many people wore tan suits as an homage to which by the way, I was like, I wore a tan suit. Nobody thought mine was intentional The only suit I own. You know, there was just it was a nice nod to a time gone by . There were a lot of tears . There was a lot of like when you looked around and you saw what people were up to now, you didn't really see what they were up to now. You remembered just a lot of people trying to do good things the best that they could for like all the American people, not just a fraction who they think voted for them. And you know, and it reminded me at the end of the day when I was walking with Pfiffer's wife and we were trying to find our way home little tipsy. And it reminded me from the final line in Ted Kennedy's speech at the nineteen eighty Democratic Convention. And I'm going to say it, and I'm going to try to say it like I don't think I'm Ted Kennedy. So okay, but at the end of his speech, he said The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die. And I think that that's how it felt being there. That the work goes on . You still have hope, but, you know, dream she'll never die. Were your feelings just pure nostalgia and happiness? Or was there anything complicated about going back to that time for you? Well, I mean, there was some personal stuff that was complicated. Like I was really young when I worked in the White House. I think I was thirty three or thirty four, like when I walked in the building for the first time . And so I'm a much better person now. Like I just am just a I'm a much more well adjusted person who's not so afraid of failure and all that kind of stuff . But you know, it's hard to think back at what a hopeful time it was when we were there and to sort of see what has been the country's reaction since right. It's of, course, hard to not think about that. Yeah. Francesca, how about you? Like you weren't, I mean, you and I weren't physically there , but I'm sure you caught up with the events of the day. They were all over every newspaper station, which was a great break from seeing wall to wall Trump stuff . How does it feel to you to revisit the Obama era as though it's an era that is now in a museum ? Yeah, I mean I have complicated feelings about it because while I still feel a lot of pride about the Obamas and what they meant for this country , it's frustrating to me that seems that people didn't like heed the warnings of the Obama administration that got us into the situation. And I think it's easy to look back on things with rose colored glasses and not actually acknowledge how we got here because I think a lot of people would rather say it's like a far off group of people that got us to Trump when in reality it's a lot of your husbands a lot of your friends, you know, and like hard conversations that need to have happened that should have predated this administration didn't happen. And so that was frustrating. I also saw a lot of people being like, why won't Michelle Obama run for president? And it's like, guys , she has told us a bajillion times that she doesn't want to run for president ever. Ever , ever, ever. Every time she says something, and like, look, she's very poised and she's very inspiring, but like it's frustrating. And the thing that makes me think of is like everybody wants black women to save them. Y'all don't want to listen to us when we're like, Hey, this bad thing is happening. Can you fix this? And now here we are. And it's like, Save us, Michelle. Save us. It's like you didn't listen the first time around and she doesn't want to do it. And so that was frustrating , but at the same time, I similarly appreciated that we did have like this moment of respite, like something that we've really been desperately craving and deserving . I just wish that we weren't in the situation that we're in so that, you know , seeing the ceremony does like lighten our load for a moment because it's very short lived . Yeah, Alyssa, I wonder if you think that the Obama era was like a one off and it'll never happen again, or do you think do you really think that Ted Kennedy's words actually pretend some future where we can get back what we had in two thousand eight . I do. You do? I don't know when, I don't know when, but I do you know, I'll tell you when I was on the Carry campaign in two thousand four , I never could have imagined the Obama campaign. I think that that is the thing that gives me hope . You know what I mean? And I think if we look back, you know, last year, I read Abby Phillips book on Reverend Jesse Jackson. And the fact that Reverend Jackson could keep hope alive all these years and to watch him to physically be standing next to him when he saw Barack Obama become president , that arc does give me hope that we haven't seen it, that we have not we cannot see what's coming yet, but I do think that like I do think that I hope, I hope that Trump will explode in such spectacular fashion that it will give, you know, the people who we see when his foot is off their neck, they have courage , Bill Cassidy, Tom Tillis, you know? You can see that they've known all along the difference between right and wrong. They just didn't do anything about it because they were more afraid of Trump and keeping their job. But it doesn't mean that they all along did not know the difference between right and wrongs, that's like a little glimmer of hope. Yeah . I think the nostalgia of the Obama era is could be a little dangerous and I'm going to call out fellow white people here because I think that the Obama era for a lot of millennials, especially white millennials was like two thousand four to two thousand eight was when people first became like aware of politics. And we had George W. Bush as the president. We were like, wait a second, this shit sucks. We don't like this at all. We mobilized for maybe the first time because it was the first time we really were of age to mobilize . And then, you know , Obama historic victory twice. And so we're so excited. We're like, wow, we can we did it. We did it. We can do it over and over again. And okay, all done. Yeah, right. Mom, that about fixes it guys. And I think that it's I don't want to, I don't want to belittle that because I think it's a natural natural byproduct of youth and having your first experience in politics or being with politics being that sort of incredible victory . But I do think that it maybe lessened some people's resilience when it comes to setbacks. Like I think I've been researching, we're doing a Ronald Reagan episode of this fucking guy and I've been reading a ton about Ronald Reagan and it fucking sucks. I hate him so much . He's a terrible person. But reading about Reagan and the Reagan era and his rise in politics just reminds me of just how willing the assholes are to play the long game. Yes. And I think that the Obama era and the sort of collapse of Democrats afterwards and the sort of lost in the wilderness type thing. Shout out to John Fabreau's podcast . I think that that was maybe a reflection of the fact that building our resilience as a movement of progressives is so important. And conservatives have a resilience and a stubbornness that we really need to develop. Well, and I'm going to be paraphrasing things that I've heard other people say, so I'm calling myself out there. But a big part of that, I believe, is that conservatives are primed to have the long goal because their reward is in heaven . And so when they are mobilizing on the ground and taking away women's rights, they believe that they are doing it for the promise of what's happening in heaven . Meanwhile, as liberals , we are this microwave generation , we have been primed to have Uber Eats here in a minute. We've been primed to have Amazon delivery in two days . And so you see that same sort of falling apart of like, oh, we lost the election. It didn't work. Well, I'm not going to do it again. I'm done rather than saying like, this is a long haul. It's not just an every four years thing. You need to be involved in the local level. There are lots of ways that you can get involved. You know, we've seen recently someone who I will not name say that he's gonna storm out of Los Angeles if he doesn't win . It's like, okay, but that is who was that? Who was that? Who was that? I hope he runs for the hills. All I will say is that to your earlier point, real change is incremental . And what's hard to acknowledge and accept and something that like I've been coming to terms with as I've been getting older is a lot of the things that I'm working towards I might not ever see in my lifetime , but that doesn't mean that it's not worth fighting for . And I think that that's something that we need to help reframe for people who identify as more progressive or left leaning, that we're doing the right thing to help everybody, not just ourselves . And if it does, if we don't see the results immediately, it's not worth giving up for. Well and what's the what's the I'm going to butcher it, but it's the saying rich is the man who will plant the tree he'll never sit beneath. Right? Yeah like that's what it is, you know, and Francesca, Barack Obama would agree with everything you just said. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. But I think that's the thing. He is actually, he gives the sweeping speeches, but he's always been like changes how you show up every day and that doesn't change . And you know, and he said it then he's said it since I know. Yeah, you know, it's it's funny because on one hand, change is incremental until it's not. You know, until there's something seismic that happens. And I think working on the incremental change equips us with the ability to rock with whatever giant change happens. And I think another thing to note is that democracy a pain in the ass . Like if you truly want to have a say in how your country is run, how your locality is run, how your state's run, how your school is run, you have to it's a thing. It's annoying. Yeah, you have to go to things you don't want to go to. You have to do things you don't want to do. You have to hang out with people who kind of annoy you. You have to like, I think that there's a temptation right now in this current political moment. People who are pro whatever Donald Trump is doing, the power grab. It's, I think people just want to sit back and be like, You know what? A totalitarian can just make all these decisions for me. I'm tired of making decisions for myself. And the thing is democracy as America was envisioned is just constant engagement and decision making. And I think it's easy to feel overstimulated right now because there are so many other things that are pulling our attention than the work of democracy . But I feel like that should maybe move up people's list of priorities, like the work of democracy. And I'm not like saying I'm like, I'm amazing and I'm doing a great job. I'm not saying that at all. I'm just reflecting. But I think you're also doing what you can . And I think that that's really important to your point about it feels really overwhelming. I saw a really great post I think it was on Blue Sky whatever , but it was talking about the idea of like pick one cause that's important to you and use that as your barometer of like here's where I'm going to donate. Here's where I'm going to show up. I'm going to talk to my neighbor about this thing because when you look at everything happening in totality. Yeah, it's really overwhelming. And I maintain that that's the goal, right? Like the flood the zone of it all where there's just too many things to keep up with . And so if you can pick one issue that is near and dear to your heart , then at least you know you are helping move the needle in the right direction. It's the same way that like if you decide that you want to start working out, you shouldn't throw everything in your fridge out and be like totally. I'm going to start, you know, counting calories tomorrow. I'm gonna start running marathons. It's like, no, you don't run a marathon overnight. You start training for it and you spend time. And then if you don't get the time that you want, wait, this analogy is really good. Okay, where's I am in the middle of it, I realized how good it was. If you suck on that first marathon, you train again , and you try to beat your time. And you make little adjustments. I think it's the same way when it comes to how we approach democracy. Or if you're Paul Ryan, you lie about your favorite, like out of all of the Paul Ryan facts that have just like slid off my smoothing brain , the fact that he lied about his marathon time is very funny. He lied about his thing is like if you've ever runners don't forget their PRs, they don't forget their best times. It's like drilled into your head. And so the fact that he's like, Oh yeah, I read it in like three and a half hours. It's like, No, you didn't do. it. You didn't Anyway, great analogy, Francesca. Thank you. Thank you so much. Alyssa, one lighter question to wrap up this segment before throw to a quick break . So there's a lot of like star studded performances at this . Who was the best performance in your opinion, the most moving performance? And the second part of that question is did you have any celebrity run ins besides almost bumping into Oprah that you think we're noteworthy . So best performance I thought was Common and John Legend doing glory. That was John Legend one of the best performers I've ever seen in my life. He can he's so excellent and it's like the thing is like you run into these people and everyone's like, Oh John, you've met Alicia before and he's like, Oh yeah and I'm like, I'm the one who got your piano to Iowa in zero seven. You know what I mean? Just like that's all you need to know but he was great. When we went to go take a picture in the oval, like behind the desk, we were allowed to get behind the desk and take a picture. And I was with David Pluff and Juliana Smoke, and we didn't realize that Christina Aguilero was in the oval. Is it because she's so tiny? Okay, she's so tiny. But you guys , I was high on life . Okay, I was so out of control. I was like running around with pluff and smoke and we were like, Oh my God, we're gonna take a picture and someone said , Do you want a selfie with Christina ? And I yelled out No . And I didn't like that. I just was like, oh, I was trying to not be, I was trying to not be someone who was globbing onto her moment. That was my thing. She was in there having her like she was behind the desk . That's what I thought, but it came out so weird came out so weird. She walked by and went, no . So I think we're not friends, even though I really did not mean really did not mean to throw any shade. And so Erin, I thought that the bros had told me no because it made the rounds pretty quickly. They're like did you 're e tolected Christianity, I'm also getting anything. I mean, if it makes if it makes you feel better, you could have really flubbed. Like, you could have put a Jeanie in a bottle or something. And I could've right. And then she would've been like, So it could have been worse. No, I was just like, I was like, no because I was just with like two pals and it was like No, girl, enjoy your moment. We're enjoying ours. Instead, it came out way crooked. Okay, the Regina George of the White House . Alyssa, master Monaco . We're going to take a quick break when we come back. More hysteria Hysteria is brought to you by Smalls . My cat ate smalls for many, many years and it was an important part of her nourishment and health for so long, a balanced diet leads to less shedding, fewer hairballs, and a more silky shine. My cat lived to Methuselah a cat age. She was twenty one years old. She was my companion for nineteen years, and I think part of that reason was because I fed her better food than I personally ate sometimes, including smalls. 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S. do not enable them to take extended maternity leave , but But I don't know, if you're the party that's like, have babies you can't afford, have them young, have tons of them, pop them out . I'd like to say if memory serves her status at the White House as an assistant to the president and an assistant to the president had full maternity leave. Yeah, as I recall. It's like so she could have done more. There are other interchangeable blondes who can lie for the president. I believe. But it goes to show you her narcissism. They can't do it without me. Yeah. Everyone's replaceable. Yeah. Well , well, now she's free to get more lip injections without people being like, wait a minute, you're not supposed to get lip injections when you're pregnant. Her body, her choice, right? Right . Oh my God. Okay, well she's a we're meow, cat sound . But we're gonna talk about something related to pregnancy . This is the day we're recording this episode is the exact four year anniversary of the Dobbs decision, which was the Supreme Court decision that overturned Roe v Wade and left abortion regulation up to the states. In those four years , thirteen states have implemented total abortion bans. twenty eight states have maintained gestational limits on abortion care. According to the Institute for Women's Policy Research Analysis, the annual economic cost of state level restrictions and the absence of federal protection adds more than one hundred b forillionty dollars nationwide to earnings losses among women ages fifteen to forty four. The research also found that maternal deaths in abortion restricted states are sixty two percent higher than in states with access. If you've been listening to hysteria all along, you've heard us harp on this endlessly, but it's because the saga of trigger laws and abortion restrictions and mipristone bans and telehealth vs. Shield laws, it's just endless . However , I do want to point this out. Despite all of these abortion restrictions, despite Dobbs in the years since the ruling came down, abort ions have gone up in the states , significantly up because it turns out that abortion restrictions adversely impact the ability of maternity care or the accessibility of maternity care. And so there are women who may be would be like, yeah, I will have a baby if I know I can access all of these things that I need to access, but instead are deciding, actually, no, I don't want to risk having to bleed out in an ER while the hospital debates whether or not the doctors are going to get thrown in jail. So anyway , abortion continues to be a bit of a wedge issue . Gallup released a poll last week tracking values and beliefs and they found forty eight percent of Americans would prefer abortion to be legal in all or most circumstances . Well, forty nine percent prefer it to be illegal in most cases . So it's a fifty fifty issue. I feel like that sounds weird. That sounds like a weird . Yeah, I always wonder like who's being polled. I've never been polled in my life. Nobody has ever asked me to weigh in on anything . Ever and everything you ever see is that two thirds of Americans some access to abortion? I think it's probably a wording issue because when there's they've done, you know, when you do polls, a lot depends on like how you phrase the question . And I think that a lot of Americans conflate the idea of elective abortion versus abortions that occur for other reasons. If you have a miscarriage and you have to have a DNC, that's an abortion. The procedure that the doctor has to perform on you is identical to the procedure that they would perform on somebody who walked in and being like, just not wanting to be pregnant. Like not that there's anything wrong with that either, but it's the same procedure. And so I don't think people can't wrap their heads around the fact that it doesn't really matter why a woman is getting it. Right. She's getting it the same procedure regardless. So and ironically, we had an example of that this very week with a pro life Republican from my home state of Florida , Kat Kamick, she revealed on a podcast that she had an ectopic pregnancy and that the doctors were concerned about giving her an abortion because of Florida's restrictive laws around when you're allowed to have an abortion. And so again, to your point, a lot of people don't understand this, including the people who are pro life and are pushing these laws . And it's just really ironic and telling that she had this moment where she was really worried that her life might end and she still is blaming Oh God , she's still blaming Democrats and pro choice activists for confusing people and spreading misinformation and unnecessary fear because she was at five weeks the Florida law is the Heartbeat Protection Act prohibits abortions after six weeks of pregnancy . So there was some confusion because like, you know, they were cutting it close in that respect and instead of actually acknowledging that she has had first hand made this situation that she was in where she almost died. You know, she's breaking down in tears on this podcast, she's still doubling down and saying, well, you know, I'm more pro life than ever. I'm still more about women. And again, I think it's really important for people to understand that this is healthcare. You know, like whatever your religious beliefs are, they're your religious beliefs , but women should have access to abortion if it's a quote unquote frivolous reason or a lifesaving reason. And there's a lot of women and families who want to have children and are in these situations where they have to make these difficult choices in order to save their life . And they should not be in a position where they are worried about possibly dying or becoming, you know, on life support the same way that they did with Adriana Smith where it's like we are so determined to save the life of this baby that we are willing to totally disregard the person who's carrying it . And just to remind our listeners, Adriana Smith was a woman in Georgia. Yes.. Yes She was a brain dead pregnant woman who was kept alive by ventilators under Georgia's abortion law . And the baby was delivered by C section almost a year ago, june thirteenth, twenty twenty five , the baby was premature at just one pound and thirteen ounces . And Adriana's family has been really pushing to have justice for her because they didn't have a say . They had to exist their will. It was totally against their will . And you know, it cannot be, you know, we can't ignore the fact that this was also a black woman, right? And that when we talk about who suffers when we talk about reproductive access, unfortunately, it's black and brown women oftentimes . And I really truly believe that they used her to try and push this narrative about like, oh, we're so pro life or whatever, while totally disregarding her family . And you know, they had to watch her deteriorate and that's the memory that they have of their daughter . And this baby is no doubt going to have complications for the rest of his life . And we know that our nation does not provide support to parents with disabled children . You know, so again, it's this calling themselves pro life is totally a misnomer. They are pro birth. They do not care about children, you know, who don't have access to good food or education or childcare. They don't care about any of those things. They are just trying to pump more babies into the world , to shuffle them into the school to prison pipeline , you know, in order to, you know, combat this idea that like we need more white babies or whatever it may be . And so it's really frustrating that there is so much misinformation this healthcare access that everyone deserves to have a right to. Yeah, the cat came thing is particularly vexing the fact that the point wrapped up for her and delivered . She refused to silver . And she's like, Where's my point? I don't understand the point. Well, and she knew she messed up because she asked them to take that clip down. She was crying and she asked them and look and no shade, she has every right to be emotional, but the fact that she knew that it was going to make her look bad , that she was getting emotional, that she could not even for one second empathize with the fact that she is not the only woman that has been in this position and that she wanted to have that baby and you know through no fault of her own needed a DNC . Yeah, no it's it's crazy the point the way that the point is missed. I feel I feel as though it feels a little bit like yelling a wall. Alyssa, I'm sure you've experienced this as well because all of the pro life like hobby horses , they'll bring them up and there's there's always a response that is based in facts and logic. And I feel like the pro life argument is based on a fantasy of what they wish pregnancy was. It's pregnancy fanfic. It's not real. Oh yeah. It's a as far as I'm concerned, it's a pyramid scheme. Yeah. They're always and like no shit. Is it MLM? You have you have a kid. I've said this many times before. They're always trying to convince you to join like and bring your friends. We can do it together . It'll be super fun. And then as soon as you have the kid, they leave. It's like those ugly leggings that everybody was pushing out of their spare bed Lula Row, yeah. Yeah. Last time I was here I mentioned the cutco knives and I just want to apologize to the hysteria audience. There were a number of people in the comments saying that those knives were actually incredible and I used that as an anal ogy when talking about AI. So I threw Lula Row under the bus this time . I feel like that's more fair. Yes. Alyssa, has your perspective changed since the decision in twenty twenty two? Like could you imagine this is where we would be right now with a debate about the legality of Mif ristone and we always knew they were going to do that. Yeah, right. We always knew that this was, you know , twenty years of seeding local judges and building up to this moment and like we knew that this was going to happen. The thing that I was not prepared for okay . So I think an example is , do you remember when Ohio passed issue one, which was the Constitutional Amendment protecting the right to abortion in the state of Ohio? It passed overwhelmingly, like something between like fifty seven and sixty percent . Within a few weeks , the Secretary of State or Republican was bringing lawsuits about why it was not legal, what it passed. And so the thing that I did find confounding and troubling is that it is ignoring the will of the people . This was a vote that was cast by people a fair and free election and they voted to enshrine the right to abortion into their constitution to. And me, that was like the one thing I couldn't have imagined them doing. Like really like how if I'm a Republican person and I voted to enshrine it. And then they're trying to reverse it. Like how am I for that? You know what I mean? Like that's that's the thing I couldn't really I'm gonna dust off a really old movie reference so apologies and let's do it. Isn't there a scene in the water boy 's not what I thought you were gonna say? That's not where I thought we were gonna go. No, it's in Forest Gump, even older. Okay. In Forest Gumper Forrest does not understand the rules of football, and he just takes the ball and runs and runs and runs. Yes, yeah. I feel like that's Republicans with laws. They just like don't let they're not. It's like, okay, but the rules are you have to stop running and they're just running down into the locker room with a football like Forest Gump. Not understanding you just said Forest Gump can I tell you guys the funniest thing I saw the other day? Total swerve? Yeah, tell me . So in Forest Gump, there's a scene where Jenny is walking to in through the reflecting pool and they're like, well, in Trump's America, Jenny went into the reflecting pool, that would have killed her before AIDS ever did. That is a rough joke, but probably true. While we're hoping to walk things back to a time when we had more protection . wom Senome are willing to give up everything , even their right to vote to ban abortions. Now let's watch this clip from the TPUSA, which does not stand for toilet paper USA summit. Let's listen. I believe that it should be a one household voting system. Now is that a hill I'm going to die on and run for office and try to complete ? Her argument is that when women vote, the outcome tends to be more liberal and she wants a conservative America. A hypothetical trade off some women here are open to As a Christian woman who has a very healthy connection with my husband, I vote the same way he does so honestly, I would be okay with giving up my right to vote. Okay, the woman in the glasses she could have spent like one week in the Oranges the new Black Riders room. I have an idea of where that would go . I just I think it's interesting that they are just saying it so plainly . Like oh the one house vote, you know, that's like been the line that they've been pushing. But the reality is when women are allowed to vote , they want rights. Like guys, did you not read up on the talking points? Like you just said it plainly. Yeah. Why does your argument suck? Like that's the issue. It's we need to keep women from voting. It's like maybe you can make your ideology more appealing to women so that they choose . But my favorite part is that as that clip goes on , the older and older the women get there like I'm going to keep vote thanks. I mean, and I will say like selfishly, I did pause to zoom in. I only see one black girl in the crowd. So you know what? I'm taking that win. We were not at that conference . We will keep our right to vote . We are our ancestors died for it. I'm actually going to keep my right to vote. And again, it's really telling that it is the younger women because a lot of them don't know their history . And I think this is a systemic issue in respect to the fact that, you know, our right to vote was hard fought and won , and it has a trickle down effect in every area of our life , it's not going to stop there. So okay, we're going to, I'm going to give up my right to vote and then it's going to turn into what you're allowed to wear, where you're allowed to be . And I think it's really easy for influencers who have lots of money to say those things who are not actually going to suffer the consequences while they cause play trad wives and they have, you know , they have healthcare and they have a , you know, someone helping them with childcare and all of that hill house dress. And also like why are you on a stage, mama? Aren't you supposed to be at home in a kitchen being quiet? Like you're not actually living the values that you are preaching to us. You're a CEO, you're a girl boss , and yet you want everybody else to not have rights and to support their husband and not get a job. Like it's so bad. It's like have you guys seen the thing on TikTok ? They dare you to find a middle aged Yes Jess Valentiah. Yes, Jess Valenti. And I was like, oh fat, and you can't, you can't find. There are no sixty year old tradwives. No, and a lot of people, that was so brilliant. And I know she's a friend of the show. I'm a big fan of hers She had a number of people stitch that video and respond with comments and say, I was a trad wife. That's how I was seeing how old I am. And here's what actually happens when you don't have a job. And again, it is so telling that it is a lot of these young women saying this and now I'm really feeling the forty something and the divorce say in me where I'm looking at these women and I'm saying you think this is going to work out now . But the adage that I keep thinking about when I got divorced, if you want to know who you married, get a divorce. You are going to find out and by that point it might be too late . And you might not, you know, it seems luxurious now , but if you've never had a bank account, if you don't have any work experience , you know, like you were going to be in a terrible situation that you thought was profitable and cool and looked great on Instagram, but the consequences are going to come for you whether you like it or not. Yeah, I mean, I also think that this desire to have their opinions subjugated to their husbands , I think it naturally flows from seeing their b odies as subjugated to their husbands. If you believe that your husband should have sexual access to you on demand and that you should give him unfettered access to your reproductive capacity, which is what prolifers believe that I think it just follows that of course you think like then of course why do I need to make any decisions? All of the decisions should be made for me. I should be like a fancy pet that menstruates like that living in my home . I know, but it's true . I think that all of these things are connected and it's important for us to analyze the Tradwife trend among young women as a natural outgrowth of concer vative ideology, this fantasy that they live in, that they can totally everything is going to work out for me if I just completely turn my brain off and let somebody else do all the decisions for me. It's going to be easy. I'm going to be living a soft life. It's like, no girl, like you're going if you're going to go homestead, you're going to be covered in animal poop. If you're going to be at home raising kids, you're going to be covered in puke and various crayons or whatever. And all of your nice clothes are going to get ruined. You know, there's there's a fake version of this fantasy of what it means to be a woman in a world where there's second class citizens that is just completely based on what they wish was real. It's all like fantasy. It's not a reflection of reality at all. Okay, we got to take a quick break. When we come back, more hysteria Hysteria is brought to you by Helix. Hot summer nights are upon us, are you prepared? I am, thanks to my Helix. It has cooling upgrades so I can get the best rest even on hot nights. When it comes to customizing your specific sleep needs, Helix is here to help. Here's how it works. 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But yeah, no, I do occasionally watch sports, but I'm not a big sports person, but I will say I am so inspired by what they've done for the sport and they've completely revitalized it, made people talk about it in a way that they hadn't before . And yes, as a black woman, it is really special to see these two sisters infiltrate a historically white sport and completely change the game and open the door for Naomi Osca, for example , and just really inspire other young women to get involved in the sport . Yeah, tennis is great unless you have a bad. I love tennis unless you have bad knees. It's not good for your knees. Yeah, we can all be Meg the Stallion . So I like tennis is the sport that I just do not understand. N itan',s not because I haven't like I'm just like, I can watch it. I'm like, okay, this is fun, this is interesting, but it just there's a knowledge gap for me. Yeah, I can't I can't do the actual like scoring situation, but I did get, I mean, like, I wasn't great , but it was really fun. I had this moment, especially as an art kid realizing like, oh, sports, if you practice, you get better. Like I never understood I never understood that before and I could see myself getting better at tennis and I was realizing like, oh, this really is a repetition thing like I understand now . Oh my god, when we were growing up, I am old enough that Wimbleton used to preempt all daytime television because there was no cable. So you had no choice but to watch tennis. And so I was like, I'm gonna be a tennis star. And then I took tennis lessons and guys, I was not good, but I still love to watch. Amazing. All right. Francesca, you have a story you wanted to talk about. Why don't you tease off? All right, so I'm back to talk about AI. I guess this is my beat here on the show. In two thousand six, Peter Thiel founded Dialog , an exclusive invitation only organization that hosts annual off the record retreats. So for twenty years, they have been extremely secretive about its members and its programming . The organization allegedly has no partisan agenda, that is, if you consider the ruthless pursuit of power, non partisan , now new reporting has exposed some of what's been going on behind the scenes at dialogue, including a deep preoccupation with the future of artificial intelligence. So last week, a Swiss hacktavist revealed a directory of names in the dialogue's website code on Bluesky. The list includes many recognizable nam es you might expect like Jared Kushner and Elon Musk, but also some that you may find more surprising, Democrats like Cory Booker and Wes Moore . There are also some media figures like CEO of the Atlantic, Nick Thompson and the New York Times Ezra Klein, and some actors like Joseph Gordon Levitt, Josh Brolin, and Sophia Bush . All of these names were published and leaked without clarification of these figures affiliation with dialogue . And this is where the drama has ensued. Okay , because the list was released without any context. So of course, people jumped to conclusions about what it all means. And so Fia Bush came under part aicular fire because though many on the list seemed in proper company , what was this progressive actress advocate doing ? Yeah, that was a top question that I had as well. Yes, and I'm really proud of Sofia because she took to Instagr am and she said what you're not about to do is sully my name and she defended herself by saying that she was promoting her twenty twenty three documentary about deep fake pornography another body . And so in doing so, she took every single opportunity she could to serve as a counter voice to the AI optimists. And she also emphasized that Peter Thiel was not in attendance while she was there. So Wired Magazine acquired a list of two hundred and twenty two attendees at the Dialogue Retreat, which includes registrants, special talents that they had, their relationship status. Special talents like I so weird balance a spoon on my nose? It's very weird. I guess that they have like a matchmaking service . Oh no yeah, I guess AI does it all I guess in this respect . Some of their scheduled sessions included money does buy happiness bring back nuclear, navigating World War II , battlefield technologies , and how's your sex life? I think we know the answer to that last one. I don't need a panel for that one. Wow . Claire just chimed in. They also listed talents, like fun house construction was one of the talents that they listed accent what is that mean? Accent imitation . Yeah, no, that feels very racist. We're not I don't like that. We're not doing it. We're not doing that. Back country skiing. Oh, great, good for you. Urban Urban exploration ? Yeah. Isn't that just getting lost in various cities and figuring out how to find the bus? I don't know. I feel like that's also like a fancy way to describe going to Burning Man. Yeah, well no, this is the fancy way to describe going into Burning Man. Meditative and psychedelic inquiry into the nature of reality is one of the skills one of the skills Just say you're on Shrooms compassion and existential dread, dinner parties, keeping secrets, and remembering birthdays. Those are special skills that people listed. Remembering birthdays. Yeah. Compassion is a special skill , like I really think that speaks volumes about the people in this cohort. My question for you guys is, you know, how harshly should we be looking at people that attend these conferences ? Because we go to events all the time and I can say personally , I've gone to South by Southwest a number of times. I cannot tell you who founded South by Southwest . So do you feel like these attendees are being held to a higher standard, especially considering Sophia Bush was one of them. Do you want to know my theory? My theory is that people love yelling at people who they think are going to care about being yelled at. So like that's why there's such a so much more attention and anger from progressives and leftists and liberals focused on Democrats whenever something goes wrong because a couple Democrats peel off and join Republicans rather than focusing on the Republicans because Republicans don't care. Right. You know, I think Peter like Tiel , Jared Kushner doesn't care if you like, you motherfucker you slimy motherfucker, he doesn't care. So Fia Bush cares deeply. And I think people just want to feel like they're making an impact with their like keyboard warrioring. Yeah. It was interesting though too. There are a couple things. First of all, when I look through the list of people , not for nothing. It's almost the exact same list of people who go to Davos, who go to the World Economic forum every year. So I thought that I was like, okay. But then when they said that one of the sessions was sex cults and I was like, well is that like a yay or a nay? Like where are they on the sex cults? Yeah. But I think that like that when I went through and I tried to I was like, okay, like Westmore. I believe Westmore to be a good person. Why was he there? And guess what? He did respond to Guardian's inquiry. And he said, you know what? I know that none of those people grew up knowing anybody like me when I grew up. And so I attended and I gave a speech and I never went back again. I got no issue with that. That seems totally fucking if you're not at the table, you're on the menu kind of exactly. Yeah. And so I think like, look, what I go to TPUSA? Absolutely. I would love to see what goes on at a Time Go Can we I would love to go hysteria field trip sounds actually USA Yeah , but that to me so it's like I guess, it's about whether you're in on the joke or not, right? And that's the hard thing to sess. Like you look through this list, you're like, okay, Jared's going because he thinks that he's like the taste maker, but like Ezra Kline 's there because Jared Kushner, you're actually a subject he's studying. Or Ezra Klines there because he's maybe I guess yes , yeah. Let's put it this way. The guy from A twenty four , he was studying Jerry Kushner as a subject. Well, and you know , and A twenty four just announced that they're doing this big AI partners hip that has kind of gotten a lot of blowback. I think what's really interesting is we've seen this big girl bossific ation of AI and we've seen women like Reese Witherspoon and Mel Robins and Cheryl Sandberg repeat this idea of like women, you have to get involved with AI, you're going to get left behind. Meanwhile, here's Sophia Bush actually getting involved in a meaningful way and she's saying, look , there are a lot of risks here when it comes to deep fakes. Her documentary is about a college student who finds out that there is deep fake pornograph y of her. She's also been very actively in support of the Defiance Act, which would, you know, give women the ability and truly anyone who's been a victim of this technology , the ability to take legal action against the people who've distributed this kind of content . So we need a voice like Sophia Bush in the room and in a way that is actually pushing back and saying, you know, we need legislation. There are real victims that stand to be harmed by this technology rather than pushing undisclosed ads witherspoon as you're like making a smoothie in your kitchen , like this amorphous like women need to get involved when the reality is there are real consequences to this technology. And if you want to use it, you should do whatever you're going you're gonna do , but I think we have to have real conversations about who profits from this technology and how it's being misused because we keep seeing it over and over again . And the fact that the technology is free right now , that should be a red flag. Like if it's free, it's because we are the product , right? And so I commend Sophia Bush. I'm really glad that she said something because you know, the narratives are being spun and I think it's irresponsible for an outlet to put out this information and leave it up to the audience to come up with their own interpretations. Yeah, I completely agree. First of all, I'm never going to trust Cheryl Sandberg again with anything that she ever recommends. I do not trust that woman. Mel Robins also, I don't know if she's necessary. Mel Robinson is like upload your bank statements to Chat GP and let it look at, you know, put a put together a budget for you. I'm like, no, thank you. Yeah, there's like , I think there are ways to safely engage with AI. And I think that given the ubiquity of the products in our daily lives and how much they're being pushed on us, sometimes in places where that's the only option suddenly, I think becoming literate on how to use it and how to be safe with it, like turn off data training. You know, there's certain things that you can do. You can't a hundred percent guarantee that whatever company you're engaging with is going to be respectful and that your data isn't eventually going to be sold at fire auction to some other entity ike twenty three and me or whatever the DNA company was that ended up getting sold in bankruptcy . But I do think like the idea that it's like, yeah, you have to use it for doing normal things that you didn't need it for before. It's like, no, you don't, no, you don't. You really don't. I'm being pushed drugs. It's like, I'm trying to write an email. It's like, do you want help? You want help writing the email? No, I can do it for thirty years. I'm good. I don't need help. Like I like writing. Yeah. One thing I will say about AI is that I've started using Claude to help with research and I pay for a version of Claude. And I ask it very specific. I've had bad luck with other versions of it, but with the paid version of it, if I'm like, I want to find an archived version of this article from nineteen sixty seven , it will find it, or it'll find out where I can look for it. So that for me, if I'm doing research, and I get really in the weeds sometimes where it's like, I need to find the actual text of this lawsuit. I need to find this primary source and it's good for that. But it took me a really long time to figure out like, can I is this even helpful? Like is this doing anything or is it just creating more work for me? And that's the only way and also like organizing stuff. Yeah , there's a content creator that I really like that I was genuinely surprised when she talked about how she's been using Claude. And for example, when she went to Coachella, she filmed a bunch of content and she asked Claude to go through and organize it for her to say like, well, when was I in my hotel? When was I and that's like the laborious type of stuff where I was like, okay, that makes sense to me. I could understand why she used it that way rather than generating footage that didn't exist or unfortunately inventing quotes sometimes. That's a thing that AI has been known to do is like straight up hallucinate . So I do think you have to go and double check your work un,fortunately , I don't think the average person that's using it is using it in that way . A lot of people are using it to, you know, skip to the last step of having something created . And I worry, you know, I talked about this last time. I worry about the jobs that we are potentially going to see disappear . But the thing that Sophia Bush has brought up in this documentary and I think about as an actor and somebody that's a public person is that, you know, my image and my likeness is on the internet and I don't want someone to use it, to promote a product , to misrepresent who I am, to confuse my audience . And I am small fry by compared to some of the people that I know really have to worry about this and the amount of deep faked non consensual sexual images. This is something that a lot of people are dealing with . And I think unfortunately people aren't going to see it as a problem until you lose your job because a video has come up that you are saying it's not me or you get arrested for something and suddenly there's evidence there and it really looks like you , but you have no way to prove that it's not you . I think it's all fun in games now, but we really need to be serious about taking action to make sure that we put some guardrails in place because it's here. I get it. Like that's the thing that everyone keep saying you can't do anything about it. Okay , we can do things to make sure that we protect ourselves and each other from this technology being used in these harmful ways . All right, on that note, we're going to take a quick break when we come back, Sanny Petty. 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You're listening to Hysteria, the podcast for people that burst out laughing when Kenzie of Love Island said that she was not lustful. I don't know if anybody else is watching Love Island . It is a lustful show that is people doing lustful things, making out for challenges in bikinis , slow mo shots of bright colored Love Island. I support your decision to watch Love Island, but because I don't want the internet to be mad at me, I cannot say anything further about that show . It's a bad show It's a bad show, it's a bad show full of dummies. People love it. People love it. But I also think that it is emblematic of the fact that we want fluff right now. The world is a mess and people want to see hot people making out and they want to be involved in another people's drama. You guys know that I'm doing Thunderstruck in the bathroom every morning. Is that a drug? It's the see different side of reality TV. That would be the number that the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders do at every game . They're back new season . Kelly is being her most Kelly, but you see you guys watch people who are sexed up and I watch middle aged women behind no. So to be fair, I do not watch it and that is the dumbest thing you watch . I don't like dumb things No don't, know I. I think No, you know what my dumb thing is I sit on threads and I like show up in random comment sections in like family drama where somebody like accident where somebody accidentally has their Facebook linked to their threads account and then they post listen here, if you take the side to so and so, you're not coming to my wedding. And I'm like, ooh, I'm seated. What's happening? And I'm just reading through all of the comments and seeing what the messy drama is, I love that stuff. Oh my god, that is really dumb. You're trolling for the show you could make . Oh my god, okay. Well, before we get to Sandy Petty some announcements for the class, the Supreme Court is about to break for summer vacation, and it seems like they're working up until the very last minute on some of the biggest decisions of our lives birthright citizenship, trans athletes, absentee ballots, and more . It's a lot. Every Monday, Constitutional Law Professors, Kate, Melissa, and Leah make the confusing chaos of the legal system easier to understand as they break down the most consequential decisions and legal battles. Check out strict scrutiny and keep an eye on your feed for emergency episodes when big opinions come out. Watch on YouTube or listen wherever you get your podcast. Also, Melissa and I did Assembly Required this week. So you can hear us a strict hysteria crossover episode with me and Melissa if you check out Assembly Required. Okay, now let's get to Sanny Petty. I'm going to go first. This week, the Washington Post published an exposure about Tulsi Gabbard. It's an excellent story. In the story, the post reveals that there are communications between Gabbard and mysterious figures in this religious organization that she was raised in called the Science of Identity Foundation that revealed that somebody within the organization was essentially dictating to Gabbard how she should act as DNA and throughout her political career. Now , not toot our own horn here, but we did an episode of this fucking guy about Tulsi Gabbard, that was ninety percent about the weird yoga cult that her family raised her in the science of ity Ident Foundation . We kind of made the like sideways point that we think that Tulsa Gabbert is not doing everything. She's not making all the decisions. Anyway, thank you, Washington Post for reporting on this incredible story. We're listening to this fucking guy. No, I you know what? If the reporter listened to this fucking guy and was like, you know what? I really want to look into that, then good for them. Great. Effect. It was a totally independent thing that happened, completely independent of this fucking guy. Amazing. I think they should give you credit. I think that 's the that's the petty, right? Like, you're happy that the report happened, but like just give us a little give us a like. I think we might have like nedged it up closer to the surface. There was some amazing local reporting in Hawaii going on about this organization . Yes. And so there's like been a lot of people who have kind of like pulled at this thread before, but this is the biggest story so far because it happens at the very end of Tulsi's tenure as the director of National Article is fucking crazy. It is a Biden's article cause and effects her texts and emails with this man and actions that she took the next day. Yeah, I mean, it's insane. It is really like she was being puppet mastered by her guru who it's it's all very strange, but that's why we don't elect cult members to do anything or vote to confirm them. When they are nominated for cabinet level positions. Less than someone else. We'll never have to worry about it. We'll never have to worry about a person being beholden to a weird religious figure ever again. No, never. Never. That guy beard ed? Oh Reverend Doug Wilson. Doug Wilson. His head is like ninety five percent beard. I don't know. When I picture him, I just picture him like a beard with little eyes. I don't know. Alyssa, what is your Sanny Petty this week? , did you guys happen to catch the chatter yesterday about Donald Trump and the new drug Red A True Tide? Did you see any of this? No, the terrible story. Yes. with peptide. Yeah. Okay, so here's what I think is so funny about this . So there some news organization called Stat, which I'd never heard of before , prints this article that says they had three sources that claimed Red Atre was given compassionate use single patient trial, which is extremely rare, usually because of a terminal illness not yet FDA approved to a seventy nine year old man one with obesity in the DC area . And everyone starts being like, who could it be? Who could it be? It's Trump Trump . Now the thing about this drug is that it is like Munjaro on steroids. It is supposed to give bariatric surgery level results . And so all these news organizations start calling HHS and the White House , but they're not giving comment. They're not giving comment, not giving comment. Finally, hours later, they're like, Little Caroline gets out on stage and she's like, stop. He's not on the drug . Now, do you want my theory about what happened? What happened? What's your theory? My theory is that the CEO of Eli Lily called the White House and was like, You fucking tell them, you are not on this goddamn drug. This drug promises bariatric surgery level results not . You've never lost a pound. Yeah. Yes . I was like, there's no so obviously we never trust anything that the White House says, but I spun a really funny tail in my head about like the CEO of Eli Lily trying to get them on the phone being like, shut this down , shut this down because Trump can't even lose weight on the most the most intense of the seen a lot of a lot of fitness influencers pushing these peptides and saying that it does they do all sorts of things they have like crazy side effects and you know you essentially have to inject yourself every day to, buy have them on like the online online from like a book because there's so many , right? It's like it's like I saw a comedian talking about doing all of her peptides. There were things I'd never heard of before. Yeah, there are like seven of them and she injects herself . DLP ones are a peptide. I mean, they are very promising, but there's a really good episode of Science versus about peptides. I love science versus it kind of attacks like a scientific related topic. Tons of citations , which I love , but they do a peptides article or episode and I think it came out two or three weeks ago, but definitely required listening. If you're like, What's the deal with peptide? Yeah, they're suddenly everywhere. Also Wendy Zuckaner isber the hmost and she's got this de lightful Australian accent. It sounds like she's chewing on every word and she's having a great time. I absolutely love that pod. These are the kinds of details that I look for when I'm deciding what to listen to next. . A pod car. But anyway, no, I have a bad Australian accent. But yeah, it's it's pretty crazy. I heard, Alyssa , that there were stories kind of swirling around in the last couple years that Trump was on a different weight loss drug that's available to everybody , which would make sense. Yeah, but he wasn't losing weight. Well, the thing is, I think a lot of people incorrectly assume that these weight loss drugs are like miracle drugs and they work for everybody and that they work for everyone and that you don't actually have to do anything. And what I've learned from people that I know that have taken them is like you still need to watch your diet, you still need to get more protein, which is why I think everything is injecting protein. It's like ' Dunkin Donuts protein donut. I'm like, What's going on? So you need to get more protein to make up for muscle loss. You need to be active. Like you still need to put the work in . So I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't see any results because Donald Trump is not someone who's going to put in . Remember Erin, we did have a bit of a conspiracy theory because he did look thinner around Butler when he alleged got shot and then he wasn't. And then we were like, why is what contraindicates a GOP one? And it was a congestive heart failure. Yeah. So we were like, okay, that's what's happening . I think it also it also it doesn't work forever for everybody. There are people who are who go on it and then they hit like a , and then they just can't lose anymore. So I think he might be one of those people also probably yeah doesn't want to do any work. All right, Francesca, Sanity Corner or feeling petty this week? Oh, I'm feeling petty and I want to highlight this criminal minds evolutions actress, Padgett Brewster . She got into a little squabble on Twitter. I refuse to call it X , where she told a journalist , you suck because she dared to write a review about the show . And the real irony is that the review wasn't critical of the show at all. It was actually saying that the shortened season run was really hurting the show because they weren't able to explore some of the storylines more in depthly. So essentially she was saying you guys should have more of this. I want to see more of it. Oh my god. And instead, this actress just kind of like flew off the handle and she posted something saying, you know , you don't realize this because you're young, like talking down to the journalist to say that like if you post a negative review about a show, you can, you know, make people lose their jobs and she's since had to walk it back. And I just think journalists had to walk it back. No, the actress. Okay, I was the actress. Yeah, she came out and she apologized for for, you know, going off the handle about this about this article . It was just very strange because she has now brought herself and the show more attention by highlighting a review that again was complimentary of the show and said I really want to see the show flourish and have more episodes . And unfortunately, I think this is emblematic of an issue we're seeing with lot a of creative people on social media, y'all need to get group chance . Like, you know, you're allowed to feel your feelings. As a creative person, I know how frustrating it is when someone says something negative about your work . I have, you know, seen people say weird things about me. I'm sure you have too, Erin. And you have that like little twinge of, I want to say something. That's when you go to the group chat and you feel your feelings there and or you say like, should I post about this? And they say, No, girl, don't do it. Send us an eight minute voice note instead . Don't post this on the internet because again, the condescension here of telling her that people are going to lose their jobs because of your review . And now I wouldn't be surprised if the producers or the studio gave her a call and said, Girl, you need to take that tweet down because you are getting us bad press all because a reviewer did her job. Oh my god. And unfortunately, I've dealt with this myself. We've seen this with authors. We've seen this with a director who will remain nameless less he slide in my DM's because he's not happy that I reviewed his movie. What? But I will say that like this is a pervasive problem and it is okay for people to talk about the work that you put out into the world . Not everybody is gonna like it and that is okay . And it doesn't mean that the person is, you know, I think there's a difference between a personal attack, right? And like rightful critique. And I think that if somebody crosses the line, I can understand why someone wants to stand up for themselves, but especially when you are in a position of power, whether you're an actress, a director or an author , you essentially have more to lose and there's a power imbalance there where you're essentially sending your audience to go dog pile on this person in your defense