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She'll be like the Oprah of sucking H Berry's favorite things I can't even I was gonna try to do it you get a car, you get a car, but I can't imagine what would what she would give people. A pair of loafers, I guess Today, we recap how Graham Platner became the Democratic nominee for Maines Senate seat We talk about all that stuff. We threatened to talk about it last week, but stuff was about to happen. so we're gonna talk about it this week. And then we check in on some of the latest Epstein files news. That's still going. It's still there. Still there. You know, the reading room has moved to Washington, D.C in honor of Donald Trump's birthday. Gala this weekend. Amazing, how festive. Well, and then on the show we have first partartner of California, Jennifer Sebel Newsom joining us for a conversation about her new film Misrepresentation, Rise Up. And her status as the right wing media target Dujour, then of course, we get to Sanny Petty. You're listening to Hysteria, the podcast for the unpleasant realization that for some American voters this fall, the choice will be between a dirt bag and a slime ball Dream big dreams. Dream big dreams So last week, as I mentioned, in the intro, we only touched lightly on the Graam Platinner stuff That was because starting Wednesday, there started to be rumors in pretty much every group chat involving anybody who had ever lived in Washington, DC or worked in East Coast media alleging that there was a big, bad Graham Platinner' story about. We were all getting the ding ding ding. We were all getting ding, ding dings. I heard so many different rumors from so many different people. were different versions of things that we're going around and then plus People on the right on Twitter were like rubbing their hands together like you guys have no idea what's coming. You guys have no idea what's coming. And the story did come out. And we're going to get into the details of that story in a second. and whether it mattered. But here's what we know as of today. Yen held its primary on Tuesday And Platner was declared the Democratic nominee. Right as the polls closed. It was like, ye, yep, Okaykay, he won. The choice is now between Collins, Susan Collins, who back in nineteen ninety two, I believe, promised to only run for two terms in the Senate How's that going, Susie? Susan Collins will be up against Platner in November We really, really want a Democrat to win the Senate race in Maine. It is one of the most vulnerable races that Republicans are in this year. At the same time, we're going to have to talk a little bit about how we wound up with Platinner and the pattern of flawed, messy men getting a pass overver qualified, proven women, and whether or not this is even our circus or our monkeys I mean, it's like it's like not our circus Not our monkeys. Neither of us live in Maine However, there are like tentacles. there are parts of this story that have tentacles to things that we have talked about in the past too, which, you know Part of this is like I guess I don't want to be a hyprite, right? Yeah. I think I think that they're Also, here's the thing that I've kind of been struggling with. The oververton window ofiness has shifted so far because of Donald Trump who has been accused of sexual misconduct by dozens of women, cheated on every wife he's had, cheated on his current wife when she was postpartum with their only child He's a complete fucking slimy, slimy motherfucker, terrible to women. And there are people that he's surrounded himself with who are the same way And so, you know I think it's it's completely unerious for the Fox newews right wing types to think that Platinner is somehow somehow deserves to be like it he doesn't deserve people's votes because of these things because that's completely that is unserious. is that is an unserious accusation for the partarty of Trump and Pete Hagseth and you know totally And like Corey Lewandowsky and all those it is an unserious and Christy Noome and Christy Noome. Like it is an unserious accusation to make But I think that we can examine how we got here as Democrats and whether we want to keep going here in the future evenven though we do want him to win in the fall. Correct. Okay. Sorect Yes. So let's's continue. Let's catch people up to speed with the Cliffs nototes version in case you're not all plugged into main politics. Platinner launched his splashy Senate campaign at the end of last summer with a viral ad and an endorsement from Bernie Sanders. because Graham Platner has very good politics. He says he believes in things that are align with the populist left And that impressed Bernie Sanders, who is sort of the, you know he's the male emmpress Dowager. Absolutely. And so Platner was running against Governor Janet Mills, who, the sitting governor of Maine for the spot to challenge Susan Collins in the general. People were really excited about Platner over Mills because Mills is she would have been a seventy nine year old she was a freshman senator. And I think that especially last summer There's there's a lot of There's a lot of pain points in Democratic politics right now about people not retiring when they should or people not stepping aside when they should. people doing it when they're too old. Diane Feinstein was practically wheeled out a mummy by by the end, like sitting in on the like Judiciary commommittee. barely there do want to make like just a little itsy bitsy point just because I always little low grade misogyny. Yes, Janet Mills was quite old to be running Ed Marky is running the state next to her. Nobody seems to have a problem with him and he's a year older than Janet Mills. But then again, nobody nobody like splashed in. You know, there wasn't some sort of I know, you know, for former just saying there wasn't some guy that that was like a lobsta fisherman or whatever, like who doesn't pronounce the R and car out there with like, you know, his like beefy forearms rolling his sleeves up. No politics. Like I think the platner of it all was what gave people an alternative to having like an old establishment Democrat. and that's what got people excited. When there's no alternative, people just kind of sleepwalk to whatever candidate is handed to them. But this was energizing because this person is young. He's for he's only forty one, I believe He's young. He is unvarnished. And by unvarnished, I think that registers to voters as like not fake. I think they're kind of tired with the Consultant class overly prepared professional rehearsed type of politician Um And so, you know The hunger has swung in the other direction and now it seems like what people want or what people say they want is somebody who tells it like it is How it is is sometimes not great Platinner's flaws kind of trickled out throughout the campaign. In the fall, there was the Reddit account from as early as twenty thirteen that exposed that he was saying some kind of racist stuff minimizing sexual assault, you know, could have just been edge lording. A lot of people are edge lords online, you know Oh, Um, Shortly after the Reddit post came out, he also revealed he had a skull and crossbones tattoo that resembled a Totenkof Nazi SS symbol, which is bad He said that he didn't know the tattoo had been a Nazi symbol and he got it covered up But then, things were quiet for a while. People questioned the judgment of a person who had a Nazi tattoo and didn't know what it meant And but then more things came out that causeed people to question his judgment Aarently He was sexting a lot of people when him and his wife first got married in twenty twenty three, which is something that she disclosed. as something possibly problematic Um, he also, u had some other stuff going on, which came out last week. Meanwhile, on april thirtieth, Janet Mills suspended her campaign. So Janet Mills wasn't even going to run against him because she wasn't polling very well and he was just out raising the shit out of her. So right. And then what happened to Alyisssa Well, then in late May, a former campaign staffer, Genevieve McDonald came out with information about his infidelity to his wife, eararly in Platner's campaign, his wife, Amy Gertner, disclosed that she had discovered explicit texts to several women outside of their marriage in the spring of twenty twenty five, and that they were working through it in marriage counseling. She revealed the information privately to a senior aide who had been conducting opposition research just days before their Labor Day rally with Bernie Sanders The campaign deemed the messages a private matter and carried on. When the information became public, the campaign posted a video over four minutes long of Gertner stating that she stands by her husband and that she is angry and disappointed that her confession was made public Then, last Thursday, the day after we recorded hysteria, a piece came out in the New York Times with the headline, Several womomen who dated Graham Platinner recall unsettling behavior The timees spoke to several of Platner's ex girlfriends who had positive things to say about their relationships, but three other women interviewed described a more volatile relationship The main source who went on the record was Lindseay Fifield, and she asserted he had known that his tattoo had Nazi associations Said he never hit or punched her, but would regularly grab her by the shoulders, sometimes leaving marks. She says he shoved her into a bedroom and would not let her out. She stayed overnight. She said he kept weapons and spoke about violence, and says he fantasized about raping people to assert his dominance and referred to women as hatchet wounds, a crude term for female anatomy A Platinum repepresentative said he strongly disputes any claims of physical intimidation or altercations, and the Times said they could not corroborate the allegations. All right, Alyssa. So that's it. I'm the round up. So I'm gonna start on an unconventional foot here and go in on the times Okay, the times hung their source out to dry here Yeah. So Lindsey Fivefield is a Republican operative. and she's worked in Republican politics for quite some time. Now that doesn't mean that she's making this up, but it does mean that she would have a reason to want the Democratic candidate in an important Senate race to be disparaged in public, right? But it doesn't mean that she's making things up. But The New York Times said that they couldn't corroborate her story And also the day after the story ran, Ffield said that The New York Times had led her to believe that they could corroborate the story. So they if we're Ffield is to be believed She was told one thing in order to get her to speak to a reporter And that didn't pan out. R. And she spoke to the reporter on the condition that those things wood pano And so she was she feels misled by the story Also reading the story I have to say, I'm not trying to say that I think it fits into a pattern of judgment that we've established with Platinner, because I do. I think that it fits it's like, okay, this guy has demonstrated He's rough around the edges, to say the least, right But the story as it was printed, obviously lawyered all to fuck, like lawyered line by line The story as it was printed kind of came across as a bit toothless to me. Yeah And one of those Rorschach test stories where like one hundred percent. peopleeople who were skeptical of Platinner who didn't think that he was the right person to be running for Senate, who were wary of an outsider without very much of a like public, you know, very much public persona and maybe some bad stories already in the press about him. People who already thought something bad about him were like, of course, I knew it. peopleople who want to believe that he is the savior of politics and he's going to be the one to finally take down Susan Collins in Maine after years and years of these consultant vetted candidates like Last Cycles candidate They're like, who cares? Like this is kind of a nothing burger. and I feel as though those people may even feel their allegiance to Platinner strengthened by this. I agree, totally agree with you. And so the end result people that don't like him still don't like him. And the people that do like him like him or like Ridder dynam. more. Yes. Yeah. Exactly. They feel like they're inbattled because the the New York Times piece, if'm I tried to read it just with a totally like blank Me too It's it did Read a little bit hit a little hit pC to me without hit It was like they were, it almost seemed like a fishing expedition. and I And I know that a reporter wouldn't try to run a piece like that if they didn't have something bigger. So I feel like There must have been some I mean, this is just me my opinion, having worked in newsrooms before It read to me like there were things that the reporter had that they wanted to have in the story that they couldn't they couldnt story. Yeah I agree. Yeah. What what do you think, Alyssa I in the whole thing. Yeah, your what's your first first thoughts? Here's my first here' my first thoughts So I would like need to go back to emotionally process all of this back in time So Eron, I'm in twenty eighteen Okay. I'm in twenty eighteen, Susan Collins is weighing the nomination confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh She has accepted his word that Ro is settled law because she wanted a permission slip to vote for him. She got it Ro is dead. She was disappointed. Here we are, two point three million women of reproductive age now live in a maternity care desert because of her The saddest and grossest part about Susan is that I do think she actually cares about women but cares about keeping her seat more.. That's it. And so and she often gets to play the fall guy. That's her. She does. And so like for me, I just needed to start this off Because I don't think people can understand or I can explain the depths of my disdain for Susan Collins Which brings me to Graham Platner Yes, I wanted Dem to win in Maine I want a demn. Do I think that Graham Platner has done the bare minimum in addressing some of these allegations that have come out in recent history. I do I take to the streets In twenty eighteen to protest Kavanaugh based on allegations against him that happened when he was in high school Yes, I did. And so I feel twisted and hypocritical. about so much of like what is happening right now But thing that I thought was most Interesting, okay, there are other things the video that his wife put out Oh, her two camera video that was put on social media If you're going to ask your wife for help If your wife Nay, if she offers and wants to help That is luck that is that is wonderful. Do not have her out there carrying your water for you Like I think of anything that has been in his defense, I think hers was the most successful And I thought that that was a really kind of scummy thing. You know, I felt like there she is again, you know, it brought us back to like, which we had talked about weeks ago, you know, when Jim McGreevy got caught and Governor McGreevy got caught in a scandal and there's his wife. it brings me back to Elliot Spitzer when he gets caught with a prostitute and his wife Syilda is standing next to him looking him. except in this scenario, Spitzer and McGvy weren't present Right. And so she did all of that herself and like thing that I have a hard time resolving around the Nazi tattoo is like if I went to a thrift store and bought an LL bean bag a symbol on it that I didn't know the meaning of, and I just carried it around. And someone was like, Girl, that's a clan symbol And I was like, I had no idea, Alyissa. Yeah Alyssa Mastermonica, you're carrying around a bag with a symbol of you never thought to check what the fuck it was. Like the thing that concerns me in all of this is not so much Okay Graham, my brother You've got it You got a tattoo. Either you are the most incurious bastard, which I am not sure is like the greatest selling point to be in the US Senate, or you're just like a terrible liar. I think I would have accepted more of a story where he was like, look, I got the tattoo when I was high and it was expensive to get removed and so I didn't. That would have at least rang true to me But I think in so much of what he has been called on for someone who is so admired being this anti establishment All of his responses have felt Worshopped to Fx and therefore not authentic to T He is Mhm So you're morere you find the Nazi tattoo in the story, like the explanation around it worse than what this New York Times story is about. L his his I think they're both. I think they're kind of the same heads of the same coin. Like it's like Like the thing that is missing is a real downown interview, like I think we both watched when these allegations came out, the New York Times article, he did an interview with Chris Hayes on MSNBC. and MSust M now. I'm sorry MS now And just watching that interview I was like, oh, he does have consultants now and they gave him talking points. And I just don't think that that is the way like I said, I'm not a main voter He's the nominee now M is going to come at him. I just think he's got to handle it better Yeah I mean, hes still won handleily in Maine. That's the thing. Like he did. I did. I was not just handily. like it was handily dececisive. This is kind of reminding me that the stuff about Just pivoting to the stuff about like women, his treatment of women. Yeah, for sure. which in the, you know, he has said he was, you know, he has PTSD. he served like four tours combat tours as a Marine. He was drinking heavily during some of these alleged incidents. Some of them were like, I mean, not that it's an it's not an excuse, but it's an explanation where it's like, oh yeah circumstance. A guy with PTSD was having a hard time dealing with it. so he was drinking heavily and he was an asshole to women. Like that totally yep, that tracks, that totally tracks The thing that I keep sticking on is A The attacks from Republicans are very like Newt Gingrich attacking Bill Clinton to me. Yeah, yeah, it's like, check yourself. Yeah, because you know, there have been some reports, specifically from one reporter in Maine, that it was kind of widely known that Susan Collins got married to her husband like months after his wife been her b who had been her boss.. Yeah, yeah. he had been her boss The main reporter tweeted, Andy O'Brien is the main reporter's name. He tweeted, Susan Collins should be careful about throwing stones from glasshouses when it comes to issues of infidelity. It's been an open secret in Washington, D.C for decades, but the Wall Street Journal and New York Times have never probed into it. Wonder why. So you know, there are some like disgruntled reporters, people who are like, look politician being kind of a piece of shit in relationships, news at ten. L there's so many people who do it. and there's something very morally morally incongruous with people like Susan Collins and you know, the partarty of Pete Hagsetat and the party of Donal Trump. Oh no att someone for So I feel like That's one thing. So we're about to enter a really annoying period of time where like people on Fox News are clutching their pearls. like they weren't sitting on a couch next to a guy who was fucking one of the producers and getting her pregnant while he was still married to his wife. Right. That is about to happen. But from the Democrats perspective, The thing that worries me here is I remember right after the twenty twenty four election and everyone was like Okay, why did Kamal Harris lose? It was the economy. People didn't like that she came across as fake. She was too polished, She was too fancy. They didn't like that she kind of like gave lawyer. you know, they didn't like that she seemed like somebody that would be really comfortable at a vineyard. You know, they they didn't they didn't like what they what they declared fakeness, which was just basically a woman trying to professional in public. Okay, fine. So the pendulum swings in the opposite direction and now we have what I believe the New York Times opinion. I don't remember which opinion column just dubbed it this, but dirt bag left, P. Oh yeah right. So now we've swung in this direction. and you know, if that suits the voters of Maine, then that suits the voters of Maine Yeah and what vote a Democratot Yeah. We'll figure out what to. But the thing that worries me long term is that parties right now are divided by gender more than they have ever been And Democrats need women more than they ever have. And the thing that has happened with Democrats is that they have made promises to women relied on women's votes depended on women's volunteer hours, women phone banking, women organizing, women doing it like running canvassing, notot that men aren't doing it, but it is mostly women. And I am worried that And I have seen that when Democrats are in power The first thing that gets sacrificed is things that women need or things that women voters have been asking for. spepecifically, and most this is most dramatic in like black women. Black women are the first ones on the chopping block and black women are the first ones that Democrats polls take for. Exactly I think the Democrats need to actually start delivering for women. We can have like a Graham Platner in office Not ideal, but also I don't get to make that decision. We can have a Grand Platinin, but they better be fucking voting for policy. Show us, show us that you are going to do the things that you have promised to your voters, like universal health care. Paid parental leave, likeike the populist policies that made Bernie Sanders like endorse You like show up and actually deliver some of those things. becausecause I think if Democrats end up in the worst case scenario is we get another fedterman and we have somebody in office that is suddenly just willing to roll over and go on Katie Miller's podcast and be buddy buddy with Republicans and be completely willing to sacrifice things that your voting base has been asking for the second you get any pushback. We just need people who are going to fight for what Democratic voters actually want And if ye, if Platner is going to do that, then I can like overlook some of this stuff That has not been app proved. He is not a known quantity yet And so that's exactly it. And I think that we As people, again, who do not vote in Maine, I think we are allowed to be skeptical until we see him take because you know, the other thing that did just like bristle a bit too is that there is a Over the years, all the years that we've been doing this podcast M too, you know, came and gone is like believing women And the hard part about his story too is the the It is that apparently we're not supposed to believe any of the women. One was a Republican and therefore she was not to be believed. And then his and then the op ed, his campaign manager who was a lobster woman, who was an elected official herself was like, I left the campaign because I did not trust her and they were like disparaging her. and it's like, well Here's another thing. I'm just gonna to give free campaign advice. You need a retort that's not just they're lying. Women are lying. Yeah It's like that women can't be trusted because like that's the thing. If that's the easy that's the lowest hanging fruit, that is the laziest answer. It's a laziest answer and it's a dangerous answer because who do you need to vote for you? Women. need women to vote You women to be excited about voting for you I know that Democrats have a problem attracting and retaining men, but also like, do we really want to be attracting and retaining a certain type of man? Because like there's a certain type of man that I'm just kind of like, yeah, fuck him. let him go like be rogan pilled and vote for like the right who thinks that fluoride is going to turn you gay. whatever.' a party that is reaching out to those people because I don't think that there are any winning those people over. I want a party that actually fulfills the promises that it makes to its voting base and that starts to advocate for policies like in a real way that It's voters want. I don't want them to just like do things to appease an imaginary centrist voter that never votes for them. It always breaks Republican So I like the Platinner thing, I think that it's also dangerous for Democrats to set such moral high moral standards that Normal people couldn't possibly meet them. Totally. I don't want just elect a But I don't even think that that's what this is, right? It's like And I'm going to speak for myself. I care one percent that he was sexting outside of his marriage. Yeah. Iish I't know that actually. I don't want to I don't that's fine. I'm not a purist like that. I don't care. Yeah. I a hundred percent though care do how you respond to it once it becomes public. Sure. becausecause responding to things like this is part of the job is being like you do become an elected official, you're going to have to answer questions that are uncomfortable. and I guess This in a way is a demonstrationation of how he answers uncomfortable questions when maybe he did something wrong or maybe he's not comfortable I think that's a really important point. and hopefully, you, there is a learning curve. He's not a professional politician. No, he's kind of unpolished and that's, I think one of the things that voters see in him But I just really hope that he is prepared to get better at responding to and reckoning with mistakes that he's made in the past, if they are actual mistakes and not character flaws, which I'm going to just say TVD. 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But I've had a chaotic couple of weeks and right before we recorded last, week I was just like scrolling through social media and I kind of like skimmed two stories that it turns out were about the same thing. And I they were about Ivanka Trump talking about discovering an unspoiled island in the Mediterranean. I also saw what I thought was something about protests in Armenia. It turns out the protests were in Albania, which is where the island is, which it was the same story. But I like to imagine that people in Armenia also don't like her. because I know I mean, people I heard what you say and I didn't track it. so I knew what you werere saying. Yeah, I think most people. It was Albania. Albania is a wonderful country On the Mediterranean, it has some like unspoiled island paradise areas that have no building on it, that the Kushners want to turn into a luxury resort because they're fucking awful. And also they have no concept of how they look to the general public Like really you want to make an island given your association with another famous Island that was used for things. I feel like I would just like press pause on islands for a while. Yeah, I would say peninsulas only. find If you can find a beautiful Mediterranean peninsula That's less likely to invoke comparisons between Very good. Epstein Epstein. Okay, so histeria listeners know that the Epstein files have kept us up that night And I think I bother Sammy Sage about the Epstein files. Oh my God, you and I she'll be like I was just texting with Erin. We love ourselves Im Sammy Sage. From Bchis media. No, we're all friends in women focused media. That' it works. That's how it works. But yeah, Sammy Sage is also always willing to like bow down about the Epstein files She's always like, o, have you read this And she's maybe even a hair more online than we are. I don't know how she does it. I'm just gonna I know this is like an Epstein story.' whole machine. She the Sammy Sage tribute page literal. Machine But the Epstein Files have been keeping me up at night. They've been keeping you up at night. We have been keeping Sammy Sage up at night asking her about the Epstein Files. And even though Trump and his administration have tried over and over to bury them, the story isn't going anywhere like a zombie rising from the ground over and over again. Here's the latest on So last week in front of the House Oversight commommittee, Pam Bondi, remember her? who is working in the private sector for a job she's very excited about, tried to distance herself from the handling or fumbling of the files. She claimed that Todd Blanche, her deputy current acting attorney general and current nominee to replace Pam Bondi, was actually responsible for the entire release of the Epstein files She later denied on social media that she was throwing Todd under the bus, but come on, Pam, we're not stupid Come on Tam girl look. Pam got ousted from her job, asked if she could stay until the end of June They told her no, she basically got escorted out of the building. I think that we're witnessing Bondi's revenge. I'm just going to say Bondie's revenge is a little bit of a ic revenge, if you will, becausecause it's kind of reading about her appearance in front of the oversight committee, I'm kind of like, okay, Pam, what were you doing Like, what was your job What were you doing? during that time that you were the attorney general if you weren't managing the Epstein files because I'm old enough to remember when she gave us had the files on her desk. She had the files on her desk and just waiting for her to go through them. And you know, she was running around ripping pictures off the wall to show her her like love for President Trump. But like what Okay, so she wasn't doing the Epstein files, like she said I just w to like, what were you doing Like a how like How did you spend your time? I really want to know how she spent her time as atttorney generenal Besides appearing in cabinet meetings and saying that Donald Trump had saved like hundreds of millions of lives by stop stopping. you think she was just like burning the Epstein files? Like what was she doing It's an honest question.. Was she herself reacting I don't she had a black Sharpie and she was just, that's how she spent her days. Maybe. I also believe that Todd Blanche was the one that was handling it. L I believe, I believe that. he was Trump's personal lawyer It is the most crooked person. It is the most inappropriate person who could have been handling it. So therefore, that is absolutely who was handling it. Yes, absolutely. And yeah, I totally believe he was handling it But the follow up question to that is Pam Bondi, what was your job? What were you doing Should we be clawing back your salary? Like should there be I think I mean, Earon, if we went cabinet seecretary by cabinet seecretary, there is a goodly number of salaries we could be clawing back because Our girl, Christy Noome was just outshooting videos that cost something akin to Star Wars. I mean, ye, was she was spending Christopher Nolan money. Yeah spending Christopher Nolan money to make a video of herself riding a horse that she rented while traveling around with her boyfriend who worked for her. Yeah. And they got I'm just saying there are a lot of them in this administration. There a lot of them. I actually think that a real spicy Democrat could ruffle some feathers by saying that their first order of business, if they get elected is going to be to introduce legislation to claw back to audit All the spending on love salarary. And claw back anything. You know what That sounds like a special government. all you know, we hear all these SGEs thrown around these SGs Someone needs to go make Katie Porter an SGE Oh my go and send her into the bowels of the government and do a clawback project. Oh my gosh. You're welcome. All That's that perfect idea. That would be great. I think you know, Todd Blanche, Pam Bondi, whatever they were doing or not doing, it was not following the law. They were not fulfilling the duties of their office There's also more about the like scuzziness of people in the files I don't remember who it was who told me I think it's a comedian and I think it's a joke and maybe it's Mean Gailey. I'm not positive. But the joke is that that all men should just be sent to a prison and have to prove they deserve to be released. Oh, I think that was Meghgan. I think that's Megan Gailey. Okay. But like the more I read the more time I spend in the Epstein files is like, yes, yes, that's what should be happening. A new Washington Post investigation into modeling agent Ramsseay alkali alkali Whatever. I Ramseay, Ekoly, I'm Elkholy came out this week. He was in frequent contact with Epstein, though he claims he only used his relationship with Epstein to leverage modeling opportunities allegedly. For Victoria's secret in Vera Wang for his clients. The language in his email suggest otherwise though. He referred to his models as gifts Red flag. Al always wholesome. Al wholesome. It's a normal way to talk about another human being who doesn't know you're talking about them There were also strange details. One of the oddes is that Elkoy pivoted to the music industry. He's in band. He lives in California. I don't know what band is Elkoley in. Okay, he's in a band called Monotatronic and I just saw a picture of him and it looks like he's wearing a pork pie hat and a button down bowling shirt and he looks like U he looks like the He looks like a picture of Chlamydia. I would just say that he looks Okay. That is so vivid. Yeah, just im mat. he's a modeling agent, pork pie hat, in a b Chlamydia I'm just that's just my opinion. My in my opinion lia Yeah. And then also, in addition to this guy being just a total fucking creep, Reuters interviewed twenty three victims and found that like the sloppy redactions in the Epstein files that didn't follow the law in protecting actual victims made some of them targets after the DOJ failed to control their identities. Marina Lacerda, whose name appeared almost fifty times in the Epstein files received comments online telling her she deserved what happened. And their daughter was bullied in school by classmates who asked if Epstein was her dad. It's fucking deranged. That is such sick behavior You know what? This is this makes me think Okay, who's out there online like in a basement being like, I gott to defend Jeffrey Epstein? Like You're right. It's like the classic version of like, if you're a hundred heir. billionaire doesn't care. Like, why are you out here because they all think, I think They are tangentially defending Donald Trump That's so. But right? like why else? Why else other the other explanation is like influence campaign Like we know that we know that people in that shady corner of the world are really eager to do that. They will they will invoke they will call a whole army of bots And the Army of Bots will encourage real people who believe the crazy bot things will embolden them into speaking or calling in bomb threats or calling in threats to people. I honestly feel like just Hearing about stuff like this, I'm like it feels like an influence campaign designed to rile up crazy people. So there there's fewer crazy people than it seems, but the crazy people are real crazy. Real crazy. Yeah deep in it From the victim'spoint, Alyssa, do you think the release of the files has done more harm than good? Nobody's gone to jail in the US. Nobody's in trouble. Look, I am not a victim, so I would never want to tell them like, hey girls, you should feel good about this I feel like at least they know each other now, you know, and because because that has been because because they have come forward, they now see the others who have come forward. I think there is maybe I hope some mental or physical Like I don't even know the words, not safety or like Camaraderie is a fucking deranged way to put it, but like they're not alone and that it happened to other people and that because of that, there are other women on this planet who understand what they went through And so I hope that in the very sort of sad but hopeful community they have madeade they have find peace and are able to move past this Yeah But do I think that these, you know, I think people were like, yeah, we believe these women, but we're more scared like and I'm thinking about like the Republicans. Remember the Republicans were the ones who were like, we want the files, we want the files. And then I think they were like, yeah, like we believe the women, but we're like more scared of Trump. So so we're just going to leave it at thought. I don't know. I feel like right now, if I just had to assess from this exact moment, I would say that the release of the files has at this moment. brought more harm to the victims. Yeah, then not to survivor. notot that now it's not over. And it should now be over. And I'm hoping that, you know, justice is working slowly. I know the state of New Mexico is opening a new investigation into Zor Ranch, which is where time when he was there. So you know, the wheels are still turning, but they're turning slowly and they're turning in a way that is a little bit discouraging. It does feel like there are people in power who are actively working to protect whatever it was that Jeffrey Epstein No Um, But yeah, right now, I don't I don't blame survivors for being like, well, fuck this whole Fuck this entire process. this Yeah. no, agree It's it's reallyally discouraging, but, you know We're still the Epstein thing is not going away. One thing I wanted to talk about briefly before we take another break U spepeaking of Epstein Nancy Mace. Can from South Carolina was one of the Republicans who was very vocally in favor of the files being released. Now I don't know what calculation she's doing in her brain. It could be that she, you know has part of her brand is to make a lot of noise about sexual misconduct. Sometimes the noise is in favor of her own career. Sometimes the noise is just in favor of her continuing to get attention. Sometimes it might actually be rooted in a real sense of of care for victims, but knowing what I know about Nancy May', I would guess that the third option is probably minimal. Anyway, Ms Mace was running for governor of South Carolina. and like fellow transphob Riley Gaines, she came in fifth. Binance No know we've established that South Carolina is haunted Um And so they keep electing people who are dogs shit in this case I they didn't elect this particular flavor of dog shit She was too much for their. much too much too much. But I do wonder now that this race is behind her, if Mace is going to continue to try to advocate for more transparency around the Epstein files or if she's just gonna put it to bed and get seen uritis. What do you think? Oh, o, I think she might let her freak flag fly. She does not like being not seen. Okay. so you think that she's gonna to just like be even louder because think she I think she's gonna maybe join the ranks of like the Tom Tillis and the Bill Cassidy and the people who were compliant and complicit and now are like think they're going to win their souls back in the next six months. So we'll see what she has to We'll see what Nance is going to bring to the table. We'll see what Nance is going to bring to the table. When all is said and done So you know, we've talked about Todd Blanche kind of taking the heat from Pam Bondi about the Epstein files, But Todd Blanche was also the one that conducted the jailhouse interview with Gillen Maxwell last July shortly before Gillen was moved to a minimum security camp with like two real housewives in Elizabeth Holmes that allows them to have puppies and stuff So like, which is not something that sex offenders normally are allowed to do U No, but Anyway, Todd Blanche was the one behind that interview. Todd Banche does seem to have his fingers in a lot of aspects of the Epstein case At the end of this, do you think that Blanche is going to be in trouble or do you think that he's just going to Do you think he's going to evade actually facing any heat. I mean, it's pretty wild that the person who is the personal lawyer for the president is now inside DOJ, which is meant to protect Americans, not be the personal attorney for the president. Yeah. and is in charge of all this stuff and it's just like having conversations with Gelaine Maxwellen We don't know what's happening. I mean feel because he is the most vanilla boring kind of person on the planet that he will probably escape any real punishment. There are so many more colorful lunatics out there. Yeah. Todd Blanche. isn't a job he should not be in for ethical reasons, but Todd Blanche is not an idiot. So I am sure that Todd Blanche has a diary or a series of files and is taking care of himself to protect himself when this is all over. because he knows the chickens are going to come home to roost in one way or another, when Donald Trump is not president anymore Yeah, I think that there's a couple of different categories of Donald Trump Tod's. And there is the CYA Tody, the like cover your ass, Tody that has like, they have a cue in their head of like who gets under who gets thrown under the bus before they do. And hopefully by then the bus is slown down from hitting so many people. That feels very Stephen Miller. Yes. And then and then I think that there's the Yolo people who just don't think about the consequences and they're like, he's gonna to live forever We're all gonna live forever. And I think that is kind of like the Pete Haggsh tootally And I think maybe Christy Noome was like that too. I was going to say this is never going to end. Everything is going to be the same forever. It' to go on forever. And I'm always going to be everything is nothing is going to change and it's all going to be fine. And when he's gone, we're just gonna carry on like a chicken with its head cut off. And Scott Besson is the guy who's just like always hiding under a table. Yeah, Scott Besson is We would really like to see him as a character in a Christopher Gest movie. Don't like him in the cabinet, though I agree. Okay, I agree, agree. 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That's ritual d. com slash hysteria for twenty five percent off your first month. Welcome back. You're listening to Hysteria, the podcast for people who know that California iss the best state. Sorry I've lived in a few And a few of them are really good. because.'ve never've been in New York City, but you've hit upstate. I don't know what we have to offer. I like upstate. There's too many bugs. don't disagree. I like Illinois Chicago is great. Have you heard of the new tick, Earon? I know, you guys got ticks up there. That's the Alphagal. The Alphaal gives you. Yes, the alphagal gives you if you get bit by the alphagal, you become allergic to meat and dairy. Okay, I don't like that at all. And that's another reason that supports my thesis here a little., which is that California is America's number one state honestly I mean, it's kind of cheating. it's so big. it hogs all that coast. It's got got a little bit of everything. We've got a little bit of everything and we definitely have One of my favorite first families of any of the states I would agree with that. Now we are so excited to be joined by filmmaker, advocate and first partner of California.oooo, Jennifer Sebl Newsom. Welcome back to hysteria, Jennifer. Thanks so much for having me. It's great to see you. Yeah, it's good to see you too. Your new film Misrepresentation Rise Up explores the increasing ways in which women are intimidated out of the public eye, whether it's running for office or simply by having a social media account. As a public figure yourself How have you felt that pressure Well It's one of the reasons I made misrepresentation rise up because AI and social media have been weaponized, as you said, to silence women, harm our mental health, our safety, and our power and it's happening at an unprecedented scale to young girls in middle school and in high school, and they don't have the support and the community that can stand up and protect them. And so we really want to galvanize young women to rise up and have each other's backs and our allies to have our backs as well. We couldn't help but notice here at Hysteria that you have been targeted by conservative media increasing and noticeable amount. recently What's it been like to be on the experiencing end of that So I mean, I think I learned early on it's not really my business, what people think about me. I know who I am. I know what my friends think about me. These people don't know me. Oviously onnce again, we're seeing this across the political spectrum that technology is being weaponized essentially to silence us. And it's tried and true, and it's happened really prior to technology It's been happening since really the beginning of time. It's You know, when women are targeted, I would argue that there's something threatening to people in power. othertherwise they wouldn't go after her. Has there ever been an incident or like a Fox newews Like segment or a Tommy Lauren tweet or anything that has rattled you or that has gotten under your skin, even knowing what you know that it doesn't really have to do with you. it has to do with what they're trying to do to women everywhere. Has anything ever really gotten to you? Well, I think what's interesting is that the far right really is using women to go after other women? And that was what was really interesting to me I'm so used to this, like a community of women having conversations, supporting each other, celebrating each other, uplifting each other, wanting to help each other. So I find it very intentional on their part that they have essentially sent the women out to, you know humiliate, demean, ridicule, mock, silence another woman. But that's just the patriarchy, right? I mean, that's just like turn us on each other and that's what we have to fight against. And my you again, I know none of these women. I've never met them. And you know I imagine something bad happened to them at some point in time. But I think one of the reasons I made this documentary is for those women who think that their power is in silencing other women My hope, my wish is that they understand that they're being used and that they have an opportunity to really write the ship and to reach out to other women and have other women's backs When we have each other's backs, we're fifty one percent of the population, we' worth one hundred percent of the population. And when our male allies join forces, we can actually make this country the democracy that it has always sort of imagined itself to be. Gender representation and equality have long been at the forefront of your filmmaking. Long before the words Tradwife or manisphere were commonplace in our leex and C Has your work pivoted at all during Trump two point zero That's a great question. I mean, my work has been consistent, but I didn't think I was going to have to make misrepresentation two point zero, or even the Mask You Lve in two point zero, because when misrepresentation was born in twenty eleven and it was doing its work in the world screening everywhere from Abu Dhabi to Singapore, to Afghanistan All across our country, people have stopped me and said they watched the film seven times. It transformed their life. They were running for office. they were going into the media It had such an impact. And then yes, twenty sixteen really contributed to this horrific backlash that we're all witnessing On top of, again, the advent of social media, the like and share buttons are somewhere around twenty eleven where we started to see this dip in girls mental health with fifty seven percent of them Seriously fifty seven percent of them feeling persistently sad and hopeless, one in three seriously considering suicide And then we started to see the deep fake technology with ninety nine percent of deep fakes targeting women and girls and ninety six percent of them being nonc consensual deep fake pornography And again, this is contributing to this downturn in women's political leadership. and women using their voices in the public sphere Let's talk more about that about the way that AI driven gener like nonc consensual pornography or like sexual abuse images, I guess, since it's nonc consensual pornography. Those didn't exist when you made the first installment of misrepresentation. How and why did you decide that we needed another installment fifteen years later I needed to make misrepresentation two point zero because I started to witness this backlash to women's progress and a silencing of women's voices And and also this extremism that was pulling our boys into the manosphere and feeding them these really dangerous narratives about what it is to be a man and ultimately who women were and what our value was And so it's another reason I've started, you know, pre production on the mascul live in two point zero Has anything that you've covered in twenty eleven gotten better? I mean, this has been kind of a down conversation, right? But like how you knowry. Well, you're here. You guys You're here, you're both here you is Yeah. You are still here. You have powerful voices. You are shifting the narrative. There are more women in leadership power industries across the country and frankly around the world. But of course, you know, with two steps forward one step back. We're just seeing lots of steps backwards or very big steps backwards, obviously in our laws with regards to women's health, repro rights, criminalizing women who have abortions All of the normalization of violence against women, the fact that here in the United States of America, we haven't held men accountable in the Epstein files the way they have in other countries around the world. Look, there have been steps forward because you had the meeting movement. women were using their voices. It's not a surprise to me that there is this backlash. But again, it's because it's been weaponized by technology, by technology without guardrails, technology that and technocrats and the tech oligarchy that's really been in the hands and pockets of our current cotus One of the more stark bits of information that we get in your film is sort of near the end when it's discussed how Facebook served up this, it made me so sad I rewound this that Facebook served up ads to girls who had recently deleted selfies. And one of the statements in the film that goes on to make is there quote, There is no place on the planet where women are protected from violence And I mean, it's it's that is the only sentence anybody actually really needs to deeply understand. And so when Dr. Savia Noble says, We're beyond representation, we need power. It feels almost like the understatement of the year. So what does the path to getting more women in power? look like to you. I really think we need to haveave a call to men Um, Two, two intentionally ner with us I think we need to socialize young men to understand the dangers and damages that are being that are occurring as they engage in the manosphere and the opportunity to them when they actually and become allies and Everyone's suff suffering in this scenario. In the current scenario in the United States of America Girls and women, boys and young men are all suffering with these stringent, rigid stereotypes and gender norms that are being fed on the far right and that are being institutionalized via technology And so it's really about, I think, educating Bys and young men, just it is about callalling men in power to actually stand up, speak out, use their voice, stand up to sexism and hold other men accountable misogny Let's talk a little bit about that. I'm a parent. I've got two little girls. they're four and two, so they don't really know what's going on right now. But I think about stuff like that in these issues all the time as a parent. And I know that someday it's coming like I'm going to have to deal with this. I'm going to have to explain the world to them. They're going to have to have an unpleasant encounter with technology and the way that it is You've got kids that are a little bit older than mine. What advice do you have for other parents raising children in the era of deep fakes and powerful social media algorithms that are designed to make people feel bad? First of all, all of us parents have a role in one of the call to actions of Misrepresentation Rise up is to go to our website and join the movement to rise up. share your story and L volunteer for our partner organizations or engage with our partner organizations that are doing work to hold tech companies accountable, nominate a youth leader, host a screening, attend a screening. That's a critical first step for parents to understand that they have a role to play here, even if your kids are two and four and then because we want to like set more guardrails in place and change the status quo so that the media and technology culture is safer when your children are older. And then I would also you know follow our dear friend, Jonathan Hight at anxious Generation in terms of don't give your kid a smartphone. I would say until they're sixteen. I gave my elder two phones at fourteen and I feel like that was too young But again, states and the federal government needs to pass legislation to make to ban social media before kids are sixteen. So there's so many things we can do and we have to take our citizen responsibility very seriously. and we need to vote people into power that actually represent us and share real family values And I would argue that thoseose of us on this side of this issue who want Yes, we want innovation with guardrails, but We demand that technology protects our children and women and vulnerable populations. and therefore there just needs to be more transparency and accountability period full stop. All right, one fun question before we wrap. in a world that is insane. What is keeping you sane? What is your way to dissociate from like the TikTok of news and to just like enjoy yourself? What's your favorite thing to do Time with my girlfriends, dancing, my husband's somewhere nearby. Time with my children in nature, with animals, just Breathing touching grass touching grass. No, I know we're so lucky in California. We have like amazing parks and a great climate. so I spend as much time outdoors as I can. What's your favoriteark in California? I live in California, so do you have any insight into? Oh Gosh, I in o It's my neighborood. It's my neighborhood. I love Phoenix Lake I love hiking around there. But what I love is we have deserts The mountains, we have an incredible climate and incredible topography. And so I'm literally happy in any part of California, Central Valley, the beach, you name it. Anywhere from Pinnacles to Channel Islands, you'll find there of California. Thank you so much for joining us, Jennifer Siebel News. And thank you for your f. Thanks for having me I appreciate. Thank you so much for having you Derry is brought to you by fast growing trees Erin, did you know fast growing trees is America's largest and most trusted online nursery with thousands of trees and plants and over two million happy customers Now I do. 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Plus there'll be drinks, which we'll need after the midterms, no matter which way they go. Get tickets at crookedcon. com. If you're a friend of the pod, you get a discount too. seeee you there Welcome back. you're listening to Hysteria, the podcast for people who plan to never talk about. Spencer Pratt again. That's good Yeah. As soon as I said those words, I was like, do I want to put that in the universe? because Right before the twenty sixteen election. Spencer Pratt for people who are not like following along breathlessly at home, Spencer Pratt has fallen to third in the ranking of Los Angeles held on to second for a couple dangerous days. For a couple dangerous days, it looked like he had a pretty comfortable lead among Nithia Raman, the city cououncil member who is kind of more DSA aligned and unli further to the left of Mary Karen Bass Democrats and progressives were hoping in a blue city we would have a substantive debate moving into the general election in the fall because having bass and Ramen face off means that we get some really interesting intrra deemocratic conversations. And I think it's going to be great. With Pratt, it would have just been fucking annoying and everybody would have had to be like, there would be no progress on the way Democrats handle managing the city. And now there will be So that's good. I love it for I love it for you guys. There was a few days though where Spencer Pratt was in second place and Nithia Raman overtook him and now the AP has called the race and in the fall, it'll be Raman and Bass facing off Spencer Pratt, he said he was going to leave LA if he didn't win So well, we've heard that before. I mean, Rush Limbaugh promised to move to Costa Rica if Obamacare passed. and he his disgusting ass croaked in Florida liar. Oh God. Okay, yeah, no, it's it is nice. Finding out Spencer Pratt is not going to be in the meral runoff is sort of like I was better off before I was worried that he was. But now compared to being worried that he was, I feel like I feel good, but it's just compared to something really bad. Anyway, so we're never going to talk about him again. He sucks. Before we get to Sandy Petty some announcements for the class It's Pride Month It's here me Time to dress like it. 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We're hoping it'll be annual, but it's in a couple of weeks And I am going to be at the Hudson Farmer's Market this Saturday at the library booth the I'm at the community vendor booth talalking wares for the library, We're selling a little merch, giving out postcards so people know when and where the a cookbook saale and festival is going to be, but I'm like very excited. Karen, I've been out liring. I'm putting posters up. I'm talking local shopkeepers. We're getting like some vintage collections from people, like in maybe some fancier parts of the county have who have collections and who have since passed and are like, why sell these at auction when we can give them to you for your cookbook festival So anyway, I'll be there. If anyone's in town, come stop by, say hi to me at the farmer's Market. And we'll link in show notes. where you can find the cookbook festival because it's going to be good, wholesome fun and there's going gonna beer and wine on a Saturday. Oh yeah. That's really exciting, Alyssa. Yeah, so that's to me. I'm getting outside, touching grass, setting up tents, stacking books. I'm excited. What are you doing? When you started the story with Columbus Day, I was like think, I've been listening to do you know the fall of Civilizationations podcast? Yes Okay, it's like, if you want to listen to like six hours about the ancient Sumerians That's a great podcast. E every episode is like so long. It is hours long. But I'm listening to the AzTax one now. and The host goes into kind of how awful Christopher Columbus was. L he was such an awful person. He was like being awful in Spain, which was at the time full of people who were like cool with awful people. He was just like terrible a murderous bastard, like just a complete fuck And so when you brought up Christopher Columbus, I was like, I I am not. I can't, I have nothing left for Christopher Columbus. I was like it just was it's just the feeling of of being like, oh yeah he' Yeah. So maybe I mean like the second or third week in October. Oh should have just said the second or third week of October. Yeah. that day. I also learned from the podcast that L Apparently the Aztecs were They were like tripping balls all the time. Oh yes, yes. this I know. Yeah, they were know this. They were drinking like a fermented wine that causes you a hallucinogenic. And so they were all like, yeah, man, there's no difference between life and death. And then they thought the sun was a hummingbird god. And then if it didn't have enough energy, it would fall out of the sky. And so in order to give people give the sun its energy back, they cut pe people's hearts out because they thought that the warmth from our bodies was pieces of the sun Wow yeah. But they were like also tripping balls, conf like that. It's like, oh yeah. seemems like a really chaotic time to live in though. They were very organized about being murderers. They did war when they weren't drinking the wine. They were But they did war to capture people to come back and kill for the hummingbird god. It's so They did take the heart and give it back to the sun. To the sun. Yes Follows shit. Logically, Alyssa, just you al listen to dark shit. I do, but you know what? it helps me dissociate It know, I get it. It is podcasts about the Aztec or Disneyland, man. There' no other There's no middle g. I gotta tell you. I'm like, I either need the dish, the British podcast where they like talk about food and interview people to come out with like five episodes a week or I'm gonna need they're the only things that soothe my soul right now. Oh my Godd. Well, here's something that didn't soothe my soul. I'm feeling Peltrroow went on Trace Stevens' podcast. Trace Stevens is like a good bro of Peter Thal. and he's kind of associated with that that part of Silicon Valley that has gotten like weirdly Christian Is this the Arugula? I don't know if this is the Arugula one. This is Gwyneth Peltro going on this podcast and having a conversation with this like military, tech entrepreneur, psychopath And talking about how she is a staunch independent. Oh She's Yeah. Yeah. So it's super weird. it really it really represented this kind of Before this, this invisible connection between like Silicon Valley Dick headads kind of veered to the right politically and The like Maha moms that enable them and vote for the same rightates that they vote. R? It felt like this very unholy like meets Palant here and it was like, oh, yuck, this is gross. We need to erase ase it all Girl, just st stick with your peptides. Yeah, But it's like erase it all and start over. L I think that there's something that Hollywood has in common with Silicon Valley, which is that I think that a lot of criticism of Hollywood from outside of the industry is that these people don't know what other people think of them. They surround themselves with the cocoon of adoration and affirmation, and they never really have to encounter the reality, which is that they're kind of like sniffing their own farts one hundred percent true, totally get it But Silicon Valley this is also very insular in a similar way for sure. If you're around someone from Silicon Valley, listening to them talk, it's like, oh, you have no idea how other people think. You have no idea what other people think you. Right, right And I think the Gwyneth Paltrow Tray Stevens podcast is a perfect example of like, oh yeah, these are two little bubbles Touch in And like regular people hate these people. And they're just kind of in their own little world R just like chit chatting. Just chit chatting. they kind of remind me of, you know, in the HG Wells story, the time machine. You know, that like people that are like the soft gentle, little childlike people that frolic above the earth. Yes. And Yes. And then at night the Morlocks come out and hunt them. Like that's kind of what we're getting to. I feel like there's like this upper class that does not know that there are people that are like, we want to eat you We might eat you off We're going take all your gp products, but then we're going to eat you. Yeah. And you know, I like Gwneth Peltrro as a I loved her in her trial I think she's Oh my God, her outfits were so good. I loved her in her trial. I thought her acting, I think her acting is good, but like I just right now I'm just like, oh go, you're really annoying, aren't you? We just don't necessarily need her other commentary from her. No No, I don't give commentary. There's things I don't give commentary on all the time. I. I don't talk about cars I don't talk about MMA I don't talk about Uh tennis I don't know what I'm talking. I shouldn't be. I shouldn't be talking about those. You know what? I feel like there's a list of things I don't talk about 'causeuse I'm like, you shouldn't want to hear me opine. I know nothing.. I get it. But yeah, Gwyneth, I just don't think spirituality from a person who has never, ever been uncomfortable in their life exxcept maybe when they had to like travel to Utah for that thing. L I don't think I don't think that we really need to hear your political opinions, Gwneth. Like maybe to fat vagina eggs, I think. Yeah, stick to your Stick to vagina eggs. not expensive eggs. And honestly delicious salads. The goop kitchen is good. It's perfect. Yeah. got We just got it in New York. I love it. Yeah, but that's great. Gwyneth keep doing that Ke doing just keep the customer service high. Yeah. And then there's this, Alyssa. It just broke on Tuesday that Guadip Peltra was advertising luxury Israeli real estate I mean, I know the entertainment industry is experiencing a historic slowdown But like You good, Gwnet? Everything okay I mean, look, you know, she did do that ad. I we don't know rememember she did do the ad. you remember the two people who got caught kissing? Yeah the CEO and then rememember she did a commercial for them after that Because was it a Chris Martin concert? Yeah. And then when they like tried to clean up, she did some commercial for them and it like went bonkers and anyway, maybe she's like Maybe she's just like making I mean, I don't know. it just is sort of like, are you, do you need money? Like what's going on? You don't have to do this? You shouldn't, you don't have to do this. Like Did you Nicholas cage everything you earned from She might have She might know mayaybe that Brad Who knows? Yeah, that's true. Well TBD. All right, that's all the time we have for this week's episode of Hysteria. We would like to thank Jennifer Siebel Newsom for joining us this week. Alyssa, thank you as always for being my rider Die. Love you. Listeners, do we have a question for listeners? I love like casting questions. Caroline doesn't like it because she gets endless alerts on her phone for all the emails people send. Listeners, what are you looking forward to this summer Oh yes. What are you looking forward to this summer listeners? Hysteria atcricut. com. We want to hear from you