Taking Responsibility for a Bonsai Tree

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This is the show where I wander through the corridors of celebrities' minds and see what treasures or traps I can find. With me as always is my trusty research assistant, Jake. Hello, Jake . I think that is a beautiful voice. Isn't it? Hello. That is you should be getting a lot of audio book work with that. Audio book work. Yes. What do you mean? You could be reading a very enchanting story. I could imagine you might read Bleak House by Charles Dickens. Just like that. Cool. So you're in a great mood today. Yeah, you are. Yeah, I am. I am. How are you, right? I'm alright. Yeah, yeah. I'm here, aren't I? At work. Oh. Again. Oh right, okay. You a morning person? Uh what does that even mean? You' are morning person? Do you like the morning? Do you have a morning routine? What's your morning routine? I get up. That is a sign of someone who does not have a morning routine. Whenever do you do you do that when you like trying to make your day feel busier, including in what you've done in the list of the day? So got up, that's one. As soon as you can include that on the list, you've sort of proving you're not really done that much today. Well he's got his phone out. Because this is my routine of the day. You've got it written down. I wake up to this. Right, is that my alarm? Is that the MGM line? It is the MGM line , yeah. You wake up to that every day. I wake up to my phone on my radiator, which is away from my bed, and it's a lion roaring, the MGM lion roaring. So it encourages me to get up out of bed so I don't just press snooze and then fall asleep in bed. So I have to get up and I feel like the lion. Wow. You know, ready to seize the day. Carpe dayum day. Carpe day. Seize the day. You could do it in English. Seize it . It's what I wake up to . Well I wake up to that. For the audio listener, that is I wake up to that every morning. I and I 'cause I'm so bad at getting up I set an alarm every five minutes what do you think for about for like half an hour what do you think that does to your cortisol levels mate mate wait it makes me wake up with in incredible amount of stress yeah. And and then what do you think that does to your parasympathetic nervous system for the rest of the day? That's the most syllables you ever use in a word. Won't be all you want, mate, but you're the one with cortisol running through your veins. True. You say that it doesn't it doesn't do it can't be doing good things for the thing. You need something calming, like green sleeves. Wake up to green sleeves and then because then I'm just or the Harry Potter theme. Um either one. Either one. Joe, I'm really excited to introduce our next guest. He's a comedian, a documentarian, one of the calmest men to ever sit opposite an extremist. That's not you, that's something he did. You're not an extremist. Jamali Maddox.. Huge Huge. Sorry, the way I phrased it didn't make it seem you were gonna be calm sat opposite you. That's not what I meant to do. Jamali. Um Jamali Maddox. Big fan. Big fan. You guys have you guys have had uh the pleasure of the five. We've encountered each other's bodies before. Yeah. You've encountered each other's bodies, each other's minds or just each other's bodies? Uh it's mainly physical. Sure. Sure, sure, sure, sure. And uh it'd be good to tango with him again. Nice. Although it always tends to be quite a horizontal tango. Okay. As in he's just he's as laid back as they come, isn't he? Do you have a sort of an approach? A a sort of general idea? The same approach that I do with um the water park in uh Dubai. Go on. I'm just gonna sit on the donut , jump on that river and see where this lazily takes me. Wow . That is beautiful. So I I use that as a metaphor for trying to stay calm in the adversity of life. So you get on the doughnut, you get in the water slide? More like a lazy river. Lazy river. And you see where it takes you. And usually it just takes me round the same circuit every time Janet, could you let Jamali in please? Thank you. Goodbye . Jamali Maddox everybody! Welcome. Thank you. Welcome. How are ya? I'm alright. How you doing? Yeah, good. Yeah? This is Jake. Hi Jamali. Good too. Hey Jake, how you doing both? I'm very good, thank you. How come you have an extra guy then? Isn't it meant to be like a one-on-one? Or have I messed up the fantasy of this? This has been a fantasy of yours? No, no. The idea of like why would it be if it's like a practice ? No, I'm not practicing anything. Oh, okay. This is this is the real thing. This is the real this is the real deal, holy feel. Alright. You'll s you'll definitely learn that I've not practiced a single fucking thing. Okay, but welcome. Thank you. Let's start with the intake questionnaire. Full name Jamali Maddox. No middle name. Yeah, Jamali Mark Maddox. Oh. Yeah. Don't like it. Don't like it? No, no. Do you not like it? Don't bother me. I d I never I've never I never bring it up because I don't no one's ever calling me Mark. Star sign. I'm an Aries. Occupation. Uh comedian. You've gone straight in with comedian. Yeah. A lot of people dance around that. Why? Well we've sort of established they get a little bit scared. All the comedians that come on they say I want to know my presenter, am I comedian? A guest comedian, but then I don't want I don't like telling people that. They're a comedian. Yeah. I think everything else, other things they do are kind of add-on things. Like their jobs. I feel like I'm a comedian. Like that's the core job. Favourite late night snack? That's now that's a hard question. Now we're getting to the real stuff. Do you know what do you know I've been eating recently, yeah because I'm trying to eat a bit healthier, I don't know how healthy this is, but I'll have scrambled eggs and I'll have the um, you know, the piratas, I'll I'll season scrambled eggs with like onions and peppers and seasonings and I have you know them frozen piratas? Mm-paratha pirata, am I saying it right, brother? No, no, it's like a bread. It's like a thin bed. It's like uh you get it from Indian restaurants, like a thin. I don't know why I don't know why this is simple. I'll take this one, Joe. It's a um I was wondering why I was here. Um Ivan said, is that right? So sorry, I don't know your background, but I'm gonna assume morning Joe that you wouldn't know. I wasn't even looking at you. I'm like, hey, hey, this ain't I'm talking about seasonings and stuff, but you know I'm talking about. Honestly, Jamali, it's been it's been fifteen weeks. I'm like, I've got I've got a reason to be here. Um The layers of flaky pastry. It's not a naan bread. It's a naan. It's uh it's it's it's a it's another sort of like um Indian bread. Yeah. Very flaky Joe, you'd really like it. And you get these beautiful frozen ones, you put them in a dry pan, and they just appear exactly like they've been made fresh, like my mama didn't make them. Yeah, nice man. Not the sort of snack, late night snack. That's take some effort actually. But I'm trying to well I I'm up late. So night time for me isn't like oh it's nearly to bedtime. It's like I'm just coming back from work. So that's my telly time, that's my food time, you know, 'cause I wake up late, isn't it? Yeah. So most of the day I'm probably I mean I wake up mad late So most of the day is doing whatever and then night times I'm actually starting to work and shit. What's on your touring rider? Bruv, do you want to hit a madness here? I've been on tour . I must have been touring now for like four, about five, six years. I didn't know I could have a rider. In America, it's more big to give you a rider and uh I asked for like a Pacific beer and water. What's your party trick? You got one? Uh yeah, I can spin a pillow. What do you mean you can spin a pillow? Let's let me see if it's right. Yeah, I can do it with this one. The audio listener, I've passed in a pillow . Wow . That's the party should have remember my mum my mum said I used to do this with my mum's pillows and she goes, when when are you ever gonna fucking need to be able to do that? Well mum, look at me now. Wow. That is whack that is so cool . It's harder than it looks as well, yeah. Go on, shall I have a go ? I will not cave to your peer pressure, Jake . I'll have a go because I need to give it a you wanna have a go, yeah, yeah, yeah . He bent something, he did it. Put that massive finger up like that, pass it. You see why you see when I punched it how different it was, I nearly broke the fibers stuck your fucking fist at it, bro. That yeah. Was actually way more impressive than I thought it was gonna be. Yeah. Now a lot of people say that. That's my party drink. So when you go to parties you go, hey, check out my pillows. Oh yeah, I break that out regularly. What's yours? No, no, let's stay let's stay on that. Go on, what's yours? No, no, no, let's stay. You must have one. I mean party tricks are s uh given that name for you're allowed to do them, you're able to do them at parties. Yes. Yeah, what what's what what is yours then? Uh you know like monks. Yes . You know the the ones I think they were Buddhist monks. Okay. Or the fighting ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The best ones.. Yeah I think the only ones, I think. No, no, you got them you got them mans who brew wine and that . They make the buck fast in Scotland. They're monks. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. But they don't do kung Fu. Fuck it's pointless. No . Imagine you enjoying them thinking they're the Kung Fu monks and then you get there and it's just a brewery. You go, What the fuck is this? So like the Buddhist monks, yeah. Uh fuck's sake. They can inh ale their testes. Yes, the iron balls. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I can do that. You can inhale your testicles up. Wow. For protection. Where they go? Uh just in the in the sockets. In the socket.. Yeah You can do it with your if you but it's again not one I'd break out at a party with. I'm sensing uh you're not really fussed. In what sense? About anything . Um You don't sweat the small stuff or the big stuff? Not really. No, nothing. Not really. Nothing phases you in the slightest. No. You're like unbothered. Do you know what? I've been called that a lot and I've never really gone into it, so I I guess we could talk about it. I don't know. I don't why why have you come to that assessment? Body language, um this this is open. For the audio listener, his arms are crossed. Answers given in the detailed intake questionnaire. Yeah um general attitude and energy that I'm getting from you. It's not a negative thing.ing Ye.ah, I'm not say anything It's more of an observational thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'd like to try and help you. Yeah. To see if we can get you more bothered about something. Why? Well, what's the benefit of me being more bothered. I can sense this is gonna be a tricky one today. Yeah I don't uh is I do know what is um a lot of time my reaction is more due to they want me to be more like I'm here. Yeah. Like I am here. Yeah. You know, I don't I don't know what reaction people want for I don't know what that means to be more bothered. Well right, let's start let's dig into it. Yeah, let's dig into it. School Jamali. Yeah. The beginning of Jamali. Uh-huh. Were you like this back then? Yeah probably, yeah. Just horizontal. Well , I sort of learned so I was proper shit at school, isn't it? Yeah. And I didn't do well at school. And I kind of, when I got to like year late year eight, early year nine, I kind of realized okay, no amount of effort I put in is gonna change this . Like I feel like if you're if you're getting B's, what's the point of striving for an A? You're getting B B 's are fine. So why I could so if I gave a hundred percent effort, I could get so say I was like an EF student, yeah, I could work my fucking arse off and I might have hit the range of D at best E. I might as well stay at an F. And then I stay at the F, I give minimal effort, yeah, and the rest of that effort I'm not giving it's just for good this is have a good time. But what if your hundred percent effort actually got you to an A? Well fucking hardly fucking does What the fuck I give a shit? Well because I'd rather play mini-clip . You know what I'm saying? I was a mini clip guy, bro. So good. The thing that I would have got if I was gonna get straight A's, like I didn't want to be a finance bro . So why was I working towards that? Do you know what I mean? Like I didn't all the things that I would have got by getting all of these good grades weren't things I wanted. So by not having that drive or uh want to be successful uh academic work, did it then lead to boredom or misbehaviour? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So will you annoyed? at school then Yeah, I was like, because you weren't bothered about everything and you weren't on task with that lot. Did you just then fuck around and then? Yeah, I fucked up. I was heavy in the I was heavy in the fucking around crew. We were deep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was back of the class guy. Not bothered. No, I remember the teacher put us in the back of the class. She she moved us up front cause she had hope. It was sort of like dangerous mind. She was like, uh put her hat backwards and goes, I'm gonna relate to you and then by the end of the day, I'm just done What but if you weren't if you weren't that bothered about school or doing it, why did you turn up? Because when I started going to school, they started introducing that thing where if you didn't go to school, they'll put your mum in jail. And I was like, uh I hate school, but I'm not enough to let my mum have to do a a a two-month bird. Do you know what I mean? Like poor momsy, like you know what I mean? She's gonna go to jail now. She's gonna stick her in Holloway because I wanna fuck around and play PlayStation. That's mad, then it. Because I remember when I was in primary school, you could go holiday during school term, you scroll on the teletech holiday. You could take your turkey for five days. And they'll just like they'll tap their nose. And then when I went to secondary school, do you know when it all changed? When Jamie Oliver started fucking around with the school district that's that's when they all started getting a bit mad. You know when you hear those older guys go it's gone woke, it went the other way. Right. It wasn't wokeness, it was other shit. So you're putting Jay Mel blame at J Jamie Oliver's door for truancy prisoners. I'm just saying. Even though he was just trying to change turkey twistlers. Yeah. Do you know what do you know what it started? Sticking your beacon. That's what it started. Sticking your nose in. Being nosy. Oh, what them kids eating at school? Why what they eat, Jamie? Why about what you're fucking eating? Why about what you're cooking? Turkey Twizzlers that ain't your business. Turkey Twizzlers and I've got to stop the turkey chwil. Fuck off, man. I love them turkey chwizzlers. I loved it. That's where it that's the call, isn't it? That's the call. You could have a cheeseburger at 11 o'clock in the morning. That's when England was England. That's when England was En gland . You said in the intake questionnaire. Yes. Comedian. Yes. Straight up, straight to the point. Comedy's quite a competitive world. Uh-huh. And for someone who's so laid back and not like you've got to be quite motivated to be good at that . Yeah. Yeah. I think um Like doing tours night after night. I enjoy that. That doesn't feel like work. It's like there's I never came up with this saying, another comedian did. When you're doing comedy , a lot of times you're not paying me for the gig because I'll do that for free. You're paying me for the travel. You're paying me to have to leave my house, yeah, and go to Oswald Twistle or Blackpool, wherever the fuck it is. You know, that's what you're paying me for. You're not paying me to stand on stage and tell jokes. So it never feels like work. Like I enjoy it, like all of that I enjoy. You know what I mean? So it's not really like work-wise. I think the competitive nature probably comes through in navigating the business and show business. And it's probably, you know, where I've made most of my mistakes. And it's probably because I'm I've got a sort of laid back mentality and I'm kind of like ah what's the dream? Like have you got what keeps you going ? Is there a a point at which you go , uh I sold out fucking arenas ten times over, and then you go, that's my goal, or you're not, but you just enjoy this the thing the ride of it. This is the thing, yeah. I remember when I first met my agent and he said to me, What do you want to do in this business? This before I signed with him. It's like the meeting before you signed with him. Yeah. He goes, What do you want to do in this business? And I think I was like , fuck me, I must have been about 23 at the time. And I said, I want to play, I want to do this club in Amsterdam called Tumla and he's like yeah yeah but like directing and I said I want to play this club in Amsterdam and they laughed because like that's a very achievable thing and you do it like I did it. I sold out two shows there a few years back, and there was like a bigger . There's always you want more. And I don't know if that ever ends. I don't think like even if you achieve that thing that you think you want in your head, something else comes along. So I try not to be too like, what's the big thing? Like I've got things I want to achieve in that, but I try to be content with what I have, because that's what is, you know, that's that's actually reality, and I should enjoy that moment. I sold out this show in LA and New York, yeah. And if you would have told 17-year-old me that, that was gonna be my life, I would have like not believed it. And I would have been like, man, that's the peak of everything. And I remember vividly being there and not enjoying any of it because I wanted more. And I feel quite embarrassed and ashamed of that because I should have enjoyed that moment so much. And I never did. And I kind of wasted the moment. You know, and that moment's gone now. And and so I try now to live with content of what I have. You know? So even though I have goals and dreams and stuff, I d I try not to constantly chase it or constantly look down on what I have now. You have to have a word with yourself, like constantly to tell yourself. I'm saying this, yeah. Like I'm on a mountaintop. This is like me trying to be the best version of my thoughts. I don't live that every day. Like there's times where, you know, you know, we we we we all I think you know you I still feel the the the the the the the beast of wanting inside of me, you know, and I still have that thing of like I'll look and I'll uh you know like I just got a house and I'm like yeah but I want a bigger house. It's like I've got a fucking house or I look at shoes sometimes like I want them trainers. I'm fucking wearing trainers. You see what I'm saying? Like I let me enjoy what I have now. So even though like I can verbalize it, it's still a struggle and it's still something like harder to live it, isn't it? Yeah, I still I still I still fight with those feelings every day. It's like a constant fight. Yeah, you you you know that you should have the gratitude. Yes. Attitude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Fucking sit and write. See that way. It's very nice. Well I don't think there's actually I don't think there's any other word that rhymes with attitude. Platitude. Oh. Platitude . Yeah. Sorry, I thought I was taking that moment from you there. Sorry, I didn't mean that man. I didn't mean that . This episode is brought to you by Expedia and Visit Scotland. Start your story in Scotland. Experience the pool of wide, untamed landscapes and fresh cuisine that feels rooted in place. 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When did you go in my drawers? Uh earlier, mate. Don't. Janet put them in there for me, actually. Oh Janet . Yeah, how did you find Janet? Yeah, it was alright, she's cleansing, but you know, first two seconds she's just banging on about Brexit. So fucking fucking relax. I'm gonna go. I'm trying to I'm just trying to just work here. You'll fucking get it done now. Um for the audio listener, you're gonna hear Joe and Jamali shout bothered or not bothered. Uh for the visual listener, you'll also see them hold up um a very uh a custom-made paddle. So I'll read out a scenario, you'll hit me with bothered or not bothered and give me a little reason why you're bothered or not bothered. So you're meeting some mates, they're both running 20 minutes late and you're just left there waiting for them. Bothered or not bothered? Have they texted ahead? They have no one's text ahead. Are we in London? Um we are no, we're not in London . Bothered? London is I get it. London you get it. I get it, because it's just it's busy, you're in the tube, you can't you ain't got signal and I can get that. But if we're if we're in York, but be there on time. Joe? But it would never happen. What do you mean? Well, I I my mate I have. No, they I'm always late. Right. So if they're late, then I'm like I'm not bothered. Sure, because you can relate to it because you're always late. Yeah. Yeah. You're on a train, there's someone watching Instagram reels on full blast. Loud. No headphones. Bothered, not bothered. They can eat shit. Fucking hell, equipment. No headphones. Can I do half and half? You can do half and half. I'll see you out. Because this is the thing, yeah. It is jarring. It is jarring and I do get it. But at the same time, I grew up in London where it feels like, do you know what's happened? You know the big loudspeakers that are Bluetooth? They're too cheap. Too many people have them that shouldn't have them. You know what I mean? So I just kind of grew up with just sounds, loud sounds, and it's like I I kind of it kind of doesn't bother me that much. You can hear someone chewing, again, public transport. You can hear them chewing so loudly, you can hear the the food bolus, the food ball being formed in their mouth. It's that loud. Bothered, not bothered. Loud chewers. Not bothered. Not bothered about that. Yeah, we live in a free country. I think you're allowed to eat on the train like what what if it is a pack of um sli ced chicken fine no no and it's a packed tube yeah and the person stood up yeah and you're stood next to them yeah and they open the p acket this close to your nose yeah yeah yeah you know what packed chicken yeah smells like but the tube smells like piss anyway so that's the smell I'm worried about is packed chicken not the piss. Right, bothered not bothered, HS2, high speed rail two. I don't care. What for? No one gives a shit, do they? No, I don't care. Was it people trying to come from Birmingham and that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And finally, bothered not bothered, finding out the full redacted information linking some of the world's most wealthy and powerful people to with Jeffrey Epstein, bothered or not bothered. Yeah, it's pretty bothering there. Yeah, you can't be doing that. Do you know what? I think we're getting the sense that Jamani probably is more bothered about stuff than we're giving them credit for. Yeah. Yeah. He does care, but only about things that he cares. Yeah and the Epstein files. Jamali, you're quite a versatile man. Okay. You know, you're not just about Mr. Fun in comedy, are you? Mm-hmm. You're quite the documentary man. I've done yeah, I've done quite a few. Quite a lot. Yeah, yeah. You know, the research here, we've got great range. We've done some mad interviews here. Yeah. Extremists. Yeah. Pedo hunters. Yeah. Racists. Snogmarrier Void. What? Sorry, I said Snog Mario Void. Inappropriate. Just came out, I'm so sorry. Well I'll marry the extremist . Because you know what? They stay dedicated to something. You know what I mean? They don't give up on their thing. That's one thing you can say about it. They don't fucking give up, do they? They're like, this is it, and I'm fucking going for it, mate. Right . Well, okay, you started so you got to finish. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you'd married the extremists. Married the extremist. Who are you snugging and who you're pedo hunters m snog the pedo hunter and uh the void the racist. I think that's a strong lineup. Like what's been like the best or the m like one that you've gone? I'm really pr I'm most proud of that one. I think the Nazi one, the American Nazi one, I'm pretty proud of. Uh I'm pretty proud of that film. I think that was like the best one we made . The funnest one, the one where I had a lot of fun making it was the Black Israelit es. Because it's like these guys in they were in New York, and they're uh they believe that the black people are like the original Jews, and they think Jesus is coming back to put white people in slavery. And that it was just like, it was so bonkers. And they would dress up in these like big outfits and these big door knockers. And they kind of, but there was a self-awareness to how ridiculous it looked to me. And they had a sense of humor about it all. And it was just fun to make. It was fun to go and sort of really investigate that and be around them. And it was uh interesting and and and they were like even at times it was kind of that they said funny things and you know did they genuinely believe it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They f they genuinely believe it. Yeah, they genuinely it's like a genuine belief in this in this ideology and it and it yeah. Yeah. And um yeah, it was was just it just funny. It was as they were just yeah. And they , you know, they because even though they have this belief, they still like, you know, they still like to drink and chat shit and you know, and because they consider and it was out of all of the groups we did, because I did like sort of anti-abortion groups and I did all these different uh ideologies, that was the one where I'm I was, they considered me an Israelite. Like they can s I could join them. Like I couldn't join the Nazis and whatever. So it was kind of like a different dynamic. Do you get a buzz out of making all of these? Is that the right word to use with it? Like not a buzz, but Yeah. That you go, I know you said earlier, it's a job, it's your job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you there's a there's always a choice, isn't there? You can say no, but why do you like doing all these different documentaries? I think I've always been curious and I've always been like, I always kind of wanna know more and I and I kinda the actual subject doesn't isn't isn't interesting as much to me. It's more why and who they are that's more interesting. I think the what it is is sensationalism that sells the show, but the real film is why they are the way they are and who they are. And that that interests me and that gives me a buzz and excitement, especially if you sort of you sort of break away a layer of this person who might be closely guarded. And that's interesting to me. But like, because I kind of fell out of love with it for years. And I kind of stopped doing it. And then I was in Edinburgh, I was doing the comedy festival. And I was having a really shit festival. Like I fucking hated that festival. I hated that. That's like my worst run. And I heard about these guys that were in Jeddenborough, which is outside of Scotland. And if that's a real place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's three of them. And they basically they lived in the forest and they were like a small cult. And there were three of them and people in the town fucking hated them, right? And he thought he was like the new king of Scotland. And and I remember I hired the camera guy and we drove down there. We had no like we couldn't message them we had no car we just had to go and try and find them and and and I had so much fun doing it and I enjoyed it so much it made me realize oh I do did like doing this. The reason I didn't like it, was from other things, which I didn't like, you know, sort of a lack of creative input, which I didn't get with other projects. But this one was just solely me. And I enjoyed it a lot. And I'd go, oh yeah, I kind of like talking to people that are that society deems as weird or eccentric or, you know, crazy. Like I find that interesting. This is the complete opposite of the unbothered, unmotivated, not really asked about anything to do. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is uh you're truly bothered. You love going out there, love meeting all these different people and their stories. Yeah. Even though surely you've come across some and you've gone, fuck this piece of shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. Yeah. Yeah, there's there's people there's people who I've disliked a lot or there's people who I vehemently disagree with and I've met some people who are actually nasty. You know, because you get some people who are misguided and you get some people, but then there's some people out there that are evil, you know, and they are they're not just, you know, oh they had a bad childhood, so they're like this. No, they're actually pieces of shit. And uh even just talking to them and sort of having an open, honest dialogue's interesting, you know . Um who's evil ? Or close to being it sort of evil. I'll say some of the Nazi guys were that some of them were proper bad . Uh most of them How do you detach yourself from that though in order to concentrate on making this documentary and yet and not have the emotional attachment of fuck you you piece of shit. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Well there's only there's been a few times. I remember when I first did the show and I and most of that season was dealing with a lot of extremists. Like second season we tried to change it up a bit but the first season was dealing with extremists and a lot of the extremists I was the thing they didn't like yeah and I remember I had a mentality and I thought about it and I said what I want to do or what I have to do is kind of be the con be the conductor of their hate so the viewer can see what they really are. Because if I sort of go in there and I'm too, you're wrong, blah, number one, they won't open up. And I have to let them be comfortable for what they really are, which are racist, which are horrible, which are ignorant. And I kinda have to be the conductor and he kinda have to let it roll off your back a bit. You know, it it's not the the ra cist people and all that stuff and the extremists that bother me. It's more of like some of the sadder stuff I saw, which is the stuff that really sticks with you and is hard to be there. I uh f I think you're a massive onion. Okay . And I mean that in the complimentary way. Yeah, yeah. No. I burn your eyes. Uh you burned my eyes in a good way. Okay, all right. Um I don't think we've had a guest on here that's as layered as you are. Yeah. That has the ability to be funny, take the piss, not bothered, chilled, to then so passionate about serious topics but as passionate about not serious topics either. Yeah yeah yeah and I could just sit and listen to you for hours. I think you know what is yeah in a broader sense, there's been times where I remember vividly that I and I can remember the feeling of having say like a breakup. You know, you remember in your first big breakup, you're in that moment and, you think that's your whole world, and that's what you're that's that's all it's ever gonna be. And you realize it was just a feeling then. And I and I remember and I remember so many thoughts I had that people I was pissed off with , you know, people that hurt, whatever. And I invested so much time into it. And I invested so much of myself into it. And now it doesn't matter. So I think I try. So what looks like I'm just there is I realize that a lot of these things that we invest so much in, in of in in at there's gonna be a time where it's actually gonna mean nothing. So I try not to invest all of it in there, you know. And I think it's a wasted time sometimes but maybe I shouldn't laid back about some things because no definitely it's definitely affected me it's definitely affected me workwise I think you're great yeah there's a lot of things where I probably should have said yes, I will do it actually with some vigour and I've gone now doing that shit. And now look at me. Well think fucked. The f it's exploring your documentary work shows us that actually you are bothered. Yeah. Bothered about the big stuff that actually we could probably all take a lesson of like I think we can all agree it's a very good section of the interview it was definitely it was very good it was. I've no I've mean that, genuinely. It was very, very, very good. Why why'd you put your hands up like that? I don't I don't know. I mean that, genuine. That's not it's like it's I feel like you're you're out of hold up for your compliments. I give you fucking compliments. I promise. I promise you, it's really good. We've explored your documentary, and I think it's fair to say that you are bothered about the big stuff. Yeah. Um, but does life have to be that extreme for you to be asked? No, I I I I I I I think the laid back nurse is part of a persona. Right. You know. And I think it's quite a deep persona. Like your agent said , Yes, he'd love to record the podcast, but it has to be as late in the day as possible . Preferably when it's dark . Okay, so you're not a morning person at all. No, you wouldn't have got the best out of me. Right. And like I'm honest about that. Like there's no point in me com ing here at nine acting like I'm gonna be bushy tailed and do you know what I'm saying? No, but I am now intrigued to see what you are like at nine. That's not good, man. Even though you're probably asleep, actually. So you just you'd just be like this, but with your eyes shut. Kind of a bit lower . I'll be a bit like, yeah I'd mumble a lot. What would someone have to do to make you really lose your rag ? What what really grinds your gears ? To make me run. Jamali you fucking swat. Yeah. You fucking piece of shit. You wanna fucking go some or what? Yeah. Oh, shit hat . Yeah, that that that's my level when you say shit hat this hat's fucking rocks. Undertaker buff. You mad. Nothing. Just nothing. Yeah, no. I um, yeah, I think I think my annoyance is from const ant . You know? Like if someone's constant if someone's trying to annoy me, that gets me annoyed. It's not that what they're saying doesn't bother me. It's the fact that they're trying to annoy me. Does that make sense? It's always defended. Feconsly making the effort. Yes. That's what I find annoying. So like if someone's called you Jamelee. Yeah. And you know my name's Jamali. Do I? Yeah. See that that now I'm pissed. I might stool my foot Jamali, you've been wonderful. I really appreciate your commitment to today's session. But one final exercise I have for you. I think the one thing that makes someone truly bothered is responsibility. You know, having to take care of something that isn't yourself. Mm-hmm. Is that fair? Yeah. You have to really oh say no. I don't know what answer do you want me to say? Because I'll be honest with you, I kind of zoned out because I didn't I'm gonna be honest, I kind of zoned out, so I just went yeah so I don't know what I was saying yes to. I want you yeah take some responsibility for something other than yourself. Okay. I want you to worry about something else that's not just scrambled eggs on a pathata. Yeah. H youave got me a cat? A what? A cat? I don't think legally Oh you can bring out a kitten and a couple . Yeah, that if the kitten had been stuck in my drawer for the last hour or so, I think legally I'm getting in trouble with Peter. Nah, that's true. I want to give you the gift of a bonsai tree. Oh shit. No way. That's so nice of you. Okay. This shit This is gonna be dead in a week. Okay. What? This will be dead in a week. No, no, no. Oh no, this is gonna die. No, no, we've made some real progress. This is proper gonna be. No, we've made some real progress. This will never taste water. No, no. Jamali. This is never gonna make the feeling of hydration, is it? Yeah, yeah. Jim Jamali. You like sunlight, not my gas. It's cool though. I think someone's excited to commit to some care. Yeah. I need you to look into that plant. Yeah. Look the plant in the leaf. Yep. I want you to repeat after me. Yep. I Jamali Maddox. Aye Jamali Maddox. Promise to commit to look after this plant? Yeah. And how? Just take her away. Talk to the plant. Yeah. And tell them how you're gonna look after them. I'd um I guess I'll water it a bit . Yeah. Water you a bit and I don't know. Just, you know, treat you like a plant I don't know. What about what about a name? What bit what are you gonna name the plant? Jo Jo. Jo. Joe. How you spelling that? J-O-E . Right. Yeah. Are you offended I had to look at the theme first . Jamali you've been wonderful. Thank you very much. Thank you As well as the bonsai plant that I hope you're gonna take care of because you've promised to. Yeah. We also give you a badge. Okay. To remember the growth that you've quite clearly shown. Yep. This whole session. Yep. Jake, what are we going for with the badge? For the first time in the history of the show, we've actually made two Okay. And it's for you two to choose. Two badges. Well, it's for you two to choose which one we go with. We've got, am I bothered no or am I bothered yes? So based on the progress you think Jamali's made, what should we go for? Well, I I want to put it to you. Yeah. Have we made any progress? No, probably not. So we're probably going with am I bothered? No. Yeah. Am I bothered, no? Or I could do both, because I guess I'm I'm I'm I' I dont mind. Do you know what you get both badges? These are for you. Thank you so much. Wow. Well wear the yes one now. And then when I get out of here I'll put the no one on. There you go. Oh fuck, this is the this is now this you should have. Now he's bothered. Now someone's bothered. This is something you should have. I want this shit. I want this. everybody Janet please come and collect Jamali and his plant that is almost certainly gonna die within a week. Thank you. Uh Jamali you you've got your plant. Thank you, mate. If you want to join the doctors wait list, then please subscribe to our YouTube channel and follow us on Instagram at We'll See You Now Show. Remember, unless it's not clear enough already, I'm not a real doctor. If you need any professional help, you'll find a link to great support services on our Instagram. I've been Joe Marla and this has been Joe Marla. We'll see you now. See you next time. Bye bye.