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Are we gonna address the elephant in the room? I would like to, because that what what happened this week does not happen to anyone, I would say ever, let alone twice in one night. Mmm. I was are you are you okay ? Sorry to sorry. I still think you set it up somehow. No, I didn't set it up. You don't set something like that up. I wouldn't I wouldn't have the um foresight or the ability, the practical ability to set set something like that up. It was like being in um This is your life or surprise, surprise. We did a chat at Spotify. Lovely people at Spotify. And then we we get we get brought onto the stage, we're doing our thing, and then Ryan, the lovely host, goes, Oh, Jake, I think you might know someone in the audience. It's Mark from school. And I'm thinking, Mark from school's here. Mark's there. I've not seen him for like 10, 15 years. He's there in the audience. Me and Mark used to be in a band together. Oh, this is unbelievable . We used to be in a band called the band was called. The band was called Um Ready Salted, and then we changed it to. Well, A and Y. That's like it's such a shit name. It is a shit name. Like you're expecting you're just telling people we're shit. So we're plain, we're bland, we're ready sorted. We just wanted something that doesn't didn't start with the and the only thing we could think of was packets of crisps. I don't know why. And then but then we changed it to the morning after . And n I would set stress, none of us had had sex at that point. But we thought if we call ourselves the morning after, yeah, people might think maybe these guys have had a few wild nights. Yeah. It would be many, many years until um until that happened for either of us. Don't know about Mark, I'm sure he's sure he's got a very good. But then Uno reverse and then who who starts talking to you? Oh it's always dangerous, isn't it, when you throw it to the audience for questions. Does anyone in the audience have a question? First person to put his hand up. Well this isn't it's not so much a question. Um but uh how's your garden? What? What's going on? Well I used to be your gardener. I was like what? What what ? How is this happening? And my my gardener was in the audience. We haven't had a garden for years. I was like, oh my god. And he went, how's your garden? Went, this is wild. Quite threatening in a way, isn't it? Yeah. How's your garden keeping oh might want to get a gardener back in maybe so and then it was like oh I was nice well no I was alright I was nice wasn't too well you sort of panicked a little bit because you had two gardeners in mind one that you used to have yeah but then had to get rid of because they were too expensive and then the new one you're like are they the new one or the old one? And well I'm sorry what really sort of what really what really got me was um what really got me was um, you said oh, was, I nice to you? And he said, oh, you made me a cup of tea. Whole audience, round of applause. And I'm thinking, what, he's done the bare fucking minimum. He's made him one cup of tea and he's got Spotify on their feet. What a bloody guy. We need to this is a men's this is a men's mental health podcast at times, isn't it? So I'm gonna use it as an opportunity to say men do better. One cup of tea and then fired and he's getting a round of applause. I like you. Wow, I really like you. A lot. I the and the only thing that can make this better is to throw a third person into the mix who's even more likable than both of us put together. But before I announce the guests. Wow. Master. There we go. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Cup of tea and a segue. What a man. What a man. What do we want what do we want people to do right now before we announce before we reveal the guests? What do we want? Well, s I appreciate the chant, but what do what do we want? When do we want it? Definitely now. That bit I can answer now. Okay, fair enough. Well, we'd love you to follow the podcast on whatever platform you listen on and subscribe on YouTube so you never miss an episode. Yes. That's absolutely right. Did I do it? You did it, you did it. And in case anyone was- to do that. In case anyone was confused, we want you to follow it. Um you can follow it, but it might be hard to hard to plow a podcast. Um believable. That's naughty, isn't it? Tell the people who we've got. Okay, so I'd like to give some clues. He has built an entire world of characters, satire, comedy. He's uh BAFTA nominated. He is an internet sensation. Yeah. He's got a bit musically gifted as well. Yeah. Decent voice. Also, your favourite phrase eyebrows It is the multi-talented Munya Chihuahua Now how well do you know Munya? I never met him never Never met him? No. Oh right. Is he good? Is he a good egg? Great egg. We only book good eggs, don't we? We book good eggs, yeah. I'm excited about it. He's got a new wrestling documentary out. Ah, yeah. And I know that you are a massive wrestling fan. Have you ever actually done any though? Wrestling? Hmm. Yeah, I was the scramlord . In um Clash of the Comics. Clash of the Comics. Wow, how does it feel? Uh yeah, really good. Really? What was your walk-up music? Er don't know. It was all a blur mate. It was like winning my first cap for England. Like that's how special it was to me. Wow. I grew up wanting to be a wrestler. I used to wrestle on the the triangle at the top of my road. The grassy triangle. Who's taking you on at that age? My best mate Matt. We used to just wrestle up there, me and him. Um anyone ever got quite hurt? Yeah, I made him cry once, because I did the walls of Jericho on him. What are the walls of Jericho? What? What are the walls of Jericho? Come here . Lie down flat on the floor. The other way . What do you mean? On my foot on my front? The other way, yeah. Th there's only two ways to lie flat on the floor, isn't there? No, I'm scared you don't don't hurt me. Okay. So I would have got you in that. But these are the this call the walls of Jericho. Yeah. And I won't do it properly 'cause I think it will actually break your back. Yeah. But um so I'd put them round my hips and then I would like just uh attempt to break your back like that until you tap out, tap out. No. Tap out. No. What do you mean no? How I can get out of this now. No, you can't. Tap out. We'll do it. For the audio listener, I'm lying on my front, and Joey stood on top of me with his legs either side at my foot end, facing away and pulling my leg s up so I curve like a s like a like a sna that felt quite it felt quite nice. Ah you okay? Yeah, yeah. I imagine though if you really went for it, that would have snapped my back in half. Oh, I could kill you. Yeah, I know you could. I actually know you could. You could break me in half with bare hands. Well look, he's with Janet now. He's in the waiting room. Um I'm interested to know what he's gonna want to talk about. He's a very disciplined guy. Maybe we should find out. Definitely. With haste. With great haste. What did I say? With haste, I just I just I seconded that with great haste. Always trying to top me, I didn' Nos joining in with you . I wish we were can join twins. I do not at all. That's for another day. I don't wish that. Okay, put that out of your mind. Let's get in. Janet, could you please send in Munya Yes. Thank you. Alright, for a bonus episode we'll be conjoined twins. Munya chirawa, everybody! I heard that. I heard that. You added a R into it. You said chihuahua. Did I? And that's my cousin. So it's not chihara . Chihuahua. Like the dog, but more A's. Did you say AIDS? A's? AID AS.IDS, definitely AI's, definitely A's. I've heard about this. I've heard about this, the deliberate mishearing. Okay. Is it deliberate? I've got cauliflower as I caught hearing again. There's still a hole in there, bro. It also affects speech. Can I see? It also affects speech. There's not even a hole. Bro, how do you use AirPods? Oh I don't. You've never used the AirPods for them things. That's crazy. AirPods don't fit in here. So before signing up to be a professional rugby player just just know you ain't ever using Apple's earwear products. No, I used to have Walkman's and that I only ever had over ear ones. Yeah. Especially in nineteen ninety seven when I was crying my eyes out to candle in the Wind. Is that George Michael? El and John. El and John. It was when Diana passed. Yeah. It was quite upsetting. You listened to that on your Walkman. Diana died and you said Mom I need a walkman and you listen to that just walking around any sense. Bro, we grieve in our own ways. So anyway that's gonna get me through this. First thing I get every guest to do is answer an intake questionnaire . So do I have to intake? Shall we begin? Yeah. Okay . Full name. Munaradzi Nice Yeah don't even try it Munaradzi Oliver King Caramel Chihuahua Used to have a name called King Caramel when I started on radio, 2Ks. It's a cool name. Yeah. I like it. Star sign. Caprason. What? I don't really believe in the moons and the planets. But if you put a cap person in my hands, I know what kind of day I'm having. What's your occupation? Satur day. Is that a job? Well you've you've made it you want me to put that as your occ occupation. What are you thinking to put? Like uh Entertainer, actor , comedian, TV presenter, TV presenter, documentary maker. Alright, you know what? Polymath.. Polymath Mm-hmm. You are the Polymath of Entertainment. Thank you, brother. Yeah. I'm gonna put that on LinkedIn after this. What was your dream job growing up? Truly . I wanted to be David Beckham's hairdresser. Year seven in Zimbabwe, that is what I put down. Wow. I wanted to be David Beckham's hairdresser. What era of haircut was he in at that point? This was when he had the the cornrose. David. We don't we do not talk about that enough actually, genuinely. David Beckham had cornrows for a long time. Remember, I didn't have internet back then. Yeah. So all I'm hearing is there's an amazing player called David Beckham. He likes someone called Spice and he's got cornrows. I'm like the dude's black . So were your career ambitions went from David Beckham's hairdresser to comedian, or were there stages in between? I never wanted to be a comedian. Really? I just came out of lockdown and I was on the last leg. And I was being introduced as a comedian. And I was thinking, what the hell do I do here? Is that how it felt? You didn't you weren't thinking like I'm a comedian and then suddenly this is where you're being taken on top of all these all these different TV shows as a comedian. I made videos. That had been too comedy videos. It's true. But satire and social commentary. I came out of lockdown and everyone went, he's the comedian. Taskmaster, last leg, have I got news for you? Eight out of ten cats does countdown. Celeb bake off . I don't know what I I didn't know what I was doing. Well You've done a great job at it. Thank you, brother. You're done a good job at it, TJ. I just wanted to be a psychiatrist. Really? And I did want to do that too. Yeah. Oh really? I studied psychology at university. Interesting. Yeah. And my dissertation was unconscious biases towards people with aut ism. So however you want however you want to refer with that. What's something that stresses you out? When people say fair enough . Because so often it isn't fair. I think I use fair enough quite a lot . That's gonna be a problem. Because Fair Enough is the equivalent of a low to medium powered hand dryer. Doesn't do anything. Just makes it worse. What do you think, Jake? I couldn't agree, I couldn't agree more. It's a cop-out. It's completely. Why are you only bringing up it up as an issue now? I've I'm a little bit scared of you. What? I'm a little bit scared of you. That is wild. Munu is giving me a lot of confidence, I would say. The moment he walked in the door, I thought, do you know what I've got a new lease of life now? We're starting the Brown Panthers right here. When was the last time you were starstru ck ? Probably at the Olivier Awards. I was in a three-way Hollywood sandwich. City-wise . Uh Rosmond Pike , Tom Hiddleston, Brian Crankston. Wow. Surrounded, triple threat, fatal four-way. Yeah, that was crazy. And where was this award? Royal Abbott Hall. Fancy. Yeah. Fancy. And then a week later, I delivered a letter there as part of an event. And when I finished the letter, unbeknownst to me, Benedict Cumberbatch had been watching through the curtains and I walked out and I went to give him to dap him up and you know what he did? He hugged me. Straightened with a hug. Yeah. You know the technique for a dap. Yeah. And you know what's so serendipitous or maybe full circle is when I used to be a kid and I used to sit on the toilet, I used to practice making the loudest clap possible. Just with my hands. Yes. Yes. And so I can now transfer that into the DAP. Alright, check this out. Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa too flat cut what'd you call them? Too flat too flat should cut here we go No dear No no no Oh dear dear dear deeper Not even a second chance Wait can we can we can we Not even a second chance? Can we have a go of can we have a quick round of um shit is clap? Well. Yeah? Just a second. Not even a second chance. Well, fair enough. Okay, so. Sh shit clap shit clap good clap. Yeah. We go first. He used to play that at uni . Good clap. Joe, you're up . Shit clap! Mate, that that is not a shit. If I hear that at the end of the show, I'm ending it all. When you 're clap I already know this is gonna bang. Ready? The power of a thousand ancest ors . There's your Pete Witch clip. Thomas. Before we carry on with what I think we should deal with today and what we can work on with you, uh can you talk to me and Jake about Kfabe? Kfabe is incredibly layered because it is the entire premise on which wrestling works. Okay . I grew up I loved wrestling. I love the stories. You know and the undertaker got buried by Kane. I believed my man was gone. Yeah. I was mourning. You can't b bury your own brother. You can't. No, that's cruel. I was mourning there in year seven. I saw people thrown off buildings, set on fire, and I believed it all , right? And as I got a little bit older, I still believed it, but I kind of knew it was fake. Because believing it was more fun. Believing it was more interesting. And that's the premise by which wrestling works or used to work, which is this idea of these arenas are filled with grown adults who kind of know that these beefs aren't real and these things aren't happening. But it's just fun to believe it is. And if you suspend your disbelief long enough , you experience the full flavours of wrestling. So it's like people always call wrestling the male soap opera. You know, EastEnders, I've never watched an episode, but I know that people live and die for that show. You do not know what you're missing out.. Exactly But is it real? It's incredible. Sometimes it feels like it. Exactly. It really does feel like it. It's like I'm deep down, you know it's not. But it's just fun for a moment to believe what if it was. Yeah. What if that actually actually did happen to Phil or Maggie? Maggie? Peggy? Peggy. Peggy. Peggy. Yeah. She's dead. She is dead. And Maggie never existed. So we And Mag Maggie never existed. And when like say like Janine is walking around just as the actor. People say, oh you shouldn't have done that to Danny. Right. You shouldn't have to Mitt Carr, you shouldn't have done this, you shouldn't have done that. And there we get into this idea of what happens when K-fabe leaks out of its designated arena. Like Joe walking around pretending he's a doctor. Wants people to pop the trousers down. Put myself on the mat. First thing he said to me. And wanting to be a good podcast guest, I did it. And I will continue to do it. Uh so is that where you took the inspiration for the characters that you created? Because you've invented Barty Kreese, Johnny Oliver. Right. And my favourite, the post rill rapper, Unknown P. Sure. Yeah? Um Barty Crease is never not funny, is it? I don't I obviously haven't been aware of Barty Crease for a long time, but you hear Barty like Barty Crease just the words will make you always laugh. So with that one, that was maybe my most Sasha Barron Cohen-esque moment, which is this forward planning at the conception of a character, hoping that if it blows up the the payoff happens. And so calling the a newsreader Bati Creese, which is really a play on the word Bati Creese, which is your ass crack, right ? If it ever got to a point of national news, a professional newsreader would have to say ass crack on TV and that is what happened. A Sky News presenter was like, well now we're joined here uh by Munichua whose uh character Barty Kreese has gone viral. In fact, it's spread all over social media. And now let's get right into it. You know, hearing a newsreader have to say let's get right into your body crease is what maybe worth more than a BAFTA. They're your characters. Right. But what I think we can help you with today is trying to understand whether Munya is a character. Yeah. Are you ready to drop the Kfabe of Munya and dig a little bit deeper . Yeah. Weird phrasing, but yes. Let's begin. Munya first question to you. Yeah. Are you more comfortable being yourself or playing a character? I think playing a character. What is that like a defence mechanism? Actu a? Oh no. I like my I like Munya. You like Munya? I love, you know, to be myself and to, you know all, the very sort of unconventional bits and pieces that, you know, make up who I am. But, you know, culturally coming from Zimbabwe to living in England, you know, it's such a culture shock. The things that are um you know the things that are praised and the the qualities that are desired in Zimbabwe or that we used to celebrate amongst ourselves as friends, you know, being academic, wanting to try stuff, putting your hands up in class even. The minute I moved over to England, it was such a culture shock. Because those are the that's a first class one way ticket to being bullied, all of those things. You was a boffin. I was a boffin exactly. I mean, this is how it was for me in school. First day, the first break time of the first day, all the boys lined up and they were all trying to convince me to say that they were trying to teach me swear words to say in class in the next lesson. They were like, oh say prick, it's like a really good word. It's like a really good word. You'll get extra house po ints. Yeah, say this, say that. Thing is, my mum's from Derby, you know what I mean? So I know I knew all of those words anyway, just from how she talks to me. So that that that didn't work, but it was just like this desire instantly to get me in trouble. And so I didn't play characters in school, but my reasoning with myself would be: when I then went into comedy, doing these characters was an attempt was a chance to be people whom if you didn't like you could be like, well that's fine 'cause it's not my real personality, you know. But ultimately they are projections of myself. Who gets to see the real Munya then? My my very close friends. If if if I'm f if I'm if someone is my good friend, it's like you're my brother, you know, or my sister. So you just get unfiltered me. Because I feel safe. Like I don't feel like people are gonna are gonna judge me. I remember this one weird, it's a very weird story, but you know when things happen as you're a kid and they really stick with you. I had a friend come over for a sleepover, and in the mornings, what me and my sisters used to do is there was this drink called mazzouille, which is basically like uh Robinson's orange squash. And for whatever reason, we loved to put a bit in the cup and then fill it with hot water so it was like a hot orange drink. And I remember in the morning we woke up from a sleepover and we were like, Callum, Callum, have some of this hot muse . And he drank it. And then he went to school the next day and he he basically told everyone, he was like, they're so weird in their family like they drink this hot masoure drink and I remember all the kids were like yo is it true that you oh it's so embarrassed it's so weird and I remember just being like never show someone your true self never show them like you're weird idiosyncrasies or whatever. And as much as I try and move away from that, I think somewhere deep down in the brain matter, that experience is still there as like a red flag, as a warning alarm bell. Never ever show your true self, your true shades. I'm with you on that. You know? I use that completely. Really? Used it in rugby a lot and then continued because you're scared that if you put your complete self out there that and because you're always guaranteed to get love or hate, either way, doesn't matter everyone has got an opinion. But if you put your real self out there, you go, Oh , they're actually judging me based on who I so it's just versions of yourself that you can tolerate by putting out there. Because what do you do when if someone's like if someone dislikes or worse still loaths the very fabric of who you are , you're finished because you're always gonna that is like an anchor to wherever you swim back out to, you're always gonna find yourself back in that place. So I would say that the healthiest thing probably is to reach a point where you're a In life. What about wrestling? Were you a big fan of that growing up? Wrestling was my life. Wrestling, I I how many like coffee tables did I break practicing the moves of my sister? Suplexes, moonsaults, you name it. It was, as a kid, it's like theatre. It's like theatre with all the stuff that you you want as kind of like, you know, when you're going through the rough and terrible phase of like being like a young boy and wanting to fight and play fight. It was like watching that with these real life superheroes. Cause the you know they were massive seven foot freaking Dells, the triceps, it was like watching Superman and Batman with the gloves off. And then you had these storylines and you tune in . And in Zimbabwe, it was really weird because the way that they operated TV was the only licenses they had, weirdly, were for uh wrestling, like pay-per-view wrestling events, which they'd show for free, and then just all of Jackie Chan's films. That those were the only two channels we had on Zimbabwe TV. So any given night you were either sitting down to watch Jackie Chan or you're watching WrestleMania Judgment Day uh backlash and so yeah it absolutely laid a blueprint for you know being a charismatic entertainer yeah is that where you got your biggest influence from like you obs essed with wrestling developed all these personas and characters and that's what wrestling's known for. You're you've now done the same since I can't believe that you didn't want to grow you grew up not wanting to be a comedian or anything like that, and it was out of lockdown. You were like, Oh, all of a sudden I've I've found this. If I really go back through my childhood and like, what's the one constant that was kind of like a a signpost for my career or who I became, you know, who I went on to be. Wrestling was the constant. It was every week. Watching it with granddad in the mornings, and if we were in Zimbabwe, staying up late to watch it with my sisters. So yeah, absolutely. It was between that and SpongeBob I was obsessed with SpongeBob, weirdly. Painting my whole quite yeah, they are different. Well, it depends on the spectrum there. Yeah. But I in year 11 I did I had my room was painted the colour of SpongeBob, but it had wrestling posters over the top of it. Right. Four. In year eleven. Yeah. That is a feast for the eyes. Yeah, that's that's that that's uh asking for intact virginity, isn't it? Yeah I used to have stone cold sheets . The what the sheets? Yeah. Right. He was on my bed. Right. What what was the image? This whole body was on your bed. Yeah, it was his whole body as my sheets. So that's quite interesting. It was the he it was his whole body. Mm. It was in the um his little what's it called? The one that had three sixteen Oh his little uh waistcoat. Waistcoat in his pants and his boots, that bald uh and how did what did that make you feel? Was it like comforting sort of tuck yourself under stone cold every night? Ugh. What was the crossover between you sleeping under uh stone cold Steve Austin and then your sort of sexual awakening? There must have been some crossover. Yeah. Did you always want to play rugby? Because as you as you've said eight times, it was his whole body. And you've been really clear to say, it was his whole body. It was skin on skin. You love wrestling so hard, don't you? Mm-hmm. So hard that you've made a documentary about it, haven't you? Yes, I loved wrestling so much that any opportunity that presented itself to weave it into what I do now . I mean yeah that would have been the dream. And it just so happened actually upon taking a a step back and looking at one of the biggest politicians well, I would say the biggest politician in the world right now. It was like this eureka moment of seeing that Donald Trump was connected to wrestling, and then delving into well, what happens within that formula, how could that have altered what we see now? And then this theory creeps up. You know, when you're listening to a song uh and you hear like a sample from another song, and you're like, Where the hell have I heard that before? You're watching a movie and you see this one actor, and you're like, Swear I know this guy. That was the moment with Trump and Wrestling where I was watching the way that he talks at his rallies and how he conducts himself with the smack talk um and the kayfabe within his own stuff and being like, where where have I seen this before? YouTube , Donald Trump wrestling. My man 's in the ring at WrestleMania with Vince McMahon. Even further back, my dude's hosting WrestleMania 's in his casinos. I was like, whoa, I don't really know whether we've touched on this enough yet. What if wrestling formed the blueprint for the president we see today? What if everything you know is about trash talk, uh these crazy statements like I'm gonna wipe out an entire this and that. What if that all came from a brief moment in the ring? Because where else are you allowed to talk like that? And people cheer for you. You go in the ring and you say, I'm gonna cave my opponent's uh skull in. You know, you're looking down the barrel of a loaded gun. I'm gonna wipe you out. You're like, yeah, you love that. That is wrestling. You're you're you're you can do that as the hero. And that would have been, I think, the first time that Trump could have done that in the ring. And it f and it not have affected his credibility but rather enhanced his popularity because he was playing the doing the dance of wrestling. So you think he like honed his craft for the presidency and the characteristics he showed Okay. Yes, I do. That's the theory. And that's the theory which we elongate and explore across a documentary. Because here's what you've got to remember. Donald Trump he's a very he's a super at the time, he's a super successful entrepreneur. You know, he knows how to talk the talk, but it's all within the confines of these sort of long-form sit-down interviews. Very nice, very charming, you know, you you maintain an element of kind of decorum. Then Vince McMahon is s sort of like his his adjacent in terms of uh status and money and he's like, look, we should team up, you know, we're both on Forbes, uh we're both making money. Let look let,'s do this crossover of the century, right? And so they organ organise this match where they're going to allocate a wrestler each and the loser gets their head shaven. So either Vint or Donald Trump. And so during this you do the promos, you cut the promos. This is where the gloves are off, uh the gloves are off, you can say whatever shit you want, right? And so, you know, Donald Trump and we met some of the producers that would produce write the scripts for him. And it was stuff like, you know, I'm gonna end you, I'm gonna da-da. There were slaps, he put Donald Trump pushed Vince over a table. Again, I asked the question: where else can you do that? And here these arenas surrounding you, the cheers like a gladiator, like a gladiatorial uh Coliseum, these cheers ricocheting off. That's gotta feel good. You know, that was the sort of back then, that was the equivalent of the likes flooding in. And how do you shake off that desire for that same dopamine hit when it's all said and done. He won the match, the head got shaved, highest ranking pay-per-view of all time. Now it's the second, right? Dude was like a, you speak to any wrestling fan, they know the match. He's a WWE Hall of Famer. How do you then go into your next thing not kind of wanting a bit of what you had? You do it at your rallies. You say the shit. You get the crowd. The signs, you know . You ever seen a sign for anyone holding up a sign for Kia Starmer ? We went to uh a Tuesday, a drinking club in Florida called uh Trumpsters Triumph Tuesda ys doesn't even make sense as a name, right? A drinking club where people uh where m where uh MAGA fans just go and have drinks and talk about Trump and do uh Trump bingo, Trump uh raffles . Again, that is so WWE. Can you can you imagine like having the equivalent here? You know, Star mer's Sunday Slurp Club. It just wouldn't it wouldn't be a good thing on your on your Kfabe thing though. There's a clip that I saw the other day, 2016, Trump saying, what's the big deal with toilets and and and trans people? Like just let them use what they want to use. Change it up, realize that you if you play the character of hating this group, you're gonna get what you want. So it's it's it's it's it's it does make sense. Principles are less important than play committing to the character. And then you know what you do? If you say something which doesn't work out and doesn't materialize and you don't follow through, you basically go, hey, obviously did youn't really mean it. Yeah. Hey, it's a Kfade man. You gotta they're like, come on, you you know I didn't mean that. Yeah, it's not real. It's an an unfalsifiable theory. Because if it works, you go, ha, I told you so, I'm a man. And if it doesn't work, you're like, yeah, but I didn't mean it. Yeah. Like you lot are stupid for believing it. And within that you are then i i it shrouded in this sort of force field of n being untouchable. Because you're always right. You know, K-Fape always w ins . Kiwi . A great story, like Monsters Inc. stays with you forever. And Disney Class is where you'll find your next great story. From the return of the award-winning hit series Rivals . Welcome to the naughtyest show on television. To the unmissable crime drama High Potential. Got a dead body. Gotta go. A lifetime of great stories awaits. This spring on Disney Plus. 18 Plus. Subscription required. T's and C's apply. You you bring up a lot of important themes from wrestling talk a little bit more about the foreign heel. Mmm. Right. The foreign heel is a tale as old as time where you create a villain that plays into people's worst fears about outsider nationalities, and then that cre not only creates heroes but it creates someone to hate and that allows wrestling to be this pantomime thing of good versus evil. So when you go through what Trump says and how he talks there's always a foreign heel. He's the Mexic ans, or it's the Iranians, or it's whoever. And what that allows us to do is it allows us to embolden America as the hero, but also to know who the outsider is, who the enemy is. So for me, that's another really c The Foreign Hill thing has been around for a long time in wrestling. And uh it would have those were the storylines you were seeing in wrestling when Trump would've been watching it. And I think there's a compelling case to be. And even e even before he became president, the wh theole wh tholeing was about Barack Obama not having a birth certificate. Exactly. And and not being from not being American, not being eligible for the presidency, which is exactly the same thing of creating a character that is other and enough different enough to sort of villainize. Mind-blowing stuff this. Because you've got to remember, right? Psychologically, uh, you know, in psychology, and you'll know this, you know, they say, ha ha ha ha ha Well played. Really well played. Thank you. As human beings, we're always inclined by our very DNA to create out groups. We have an in-group and out have an out-group. A kinship between people we feel similar to and then outsiders. Unfortunately, that's kind of how we're wide as human beings, and that's why we'll always create outgroups, you know, that unless we work very consciously consciously against that. So the foreign heel device is very smart because it takes a natural psychology we have and then full throttles it, pumps all of our worst instincts into that dynamic of in-group, out-group. And so it feels very natural. You know, when you ask people to hate the Arab American uh Muhammad Hassan character or the iron sheikh or Yokun Zuna or uh I think it was called Vladimir the Destroyer, that was another one they had. People are gonna do that anyway. Those fans are already going to have that seed within them. And wrestling just amplifies it to the maximum. It's turning up the volume on our worst impulses almost. Did it did it ch did it affect the way you look at wrestling. Like you obviously spoken about how much you loved and adored wrestling, but digging that much deeper, drawing all the parallels between the outside world and the fake keyfay world of wrestling. Do you now look at wrestling and go, fucking hell, this is dark. This isn't a good thing. That's a r that's a really good question because, you know, that it almost sounds like I am now sort of pointing the finger at all of us who enjoyed wrestling. But actually I'm not, because I fell for it too. I loved it. I loved cheering for the all-Americans. And you know, when Hulk Hogan would walk out, you know, the theme song, I am a real American. You know, I'd be singing along, Kurt Angle Walking out. I really brought into that. How did you ever like Kurt Angle? He was always a fucking helmet. I liked his neck. He was a thick old neck. He was massive. But then when he had to shave his head, he just looked like a thumb . Yeah. Right. Fucking mental. Um But you know, I I bought into it. And one thing we all remember about wrestling is, and this is the fundamental difference between wrestling and politics. Do you remember when you sit down to watch wrestling and, there would always every show would start with a message. Do you remember what it was? Oh, don't try this at home. This should be. You remember that? Yeah. They would show you a montage of botches. Yeah. Oh. And then in big, massive blo ck writing, don't try this at home. This is done by professionals. This is yeah. So yes, they were talking about the moves, but to a degree they were also talking about the the most controversial parts of wrestling. You know, the misogyny of Vince McMahon getting Trish to walk around and bark like a dog. The necrophilia storyline where Triple H has sex with a dead body, these are all real. So if you sat down to watch wrestling, the first and maybe the last thing you'd see to bookending that show was don't try this at home. And I think there was a reason for that. And don't try this at home. Home also means don't do this in politics. Because the documentary then goes on to explore what happens if you take a device meant to be contained to arenas filled with people who know realistically what they're saying isn't real and doing it in politics where ordinarily we're taught to believe politicians are truthful and would do their best to tell the truth. If someone takes those rules and applies them in the real world, what happens then? Maybe everything that we're seeing now with ICE or the intense sort of you know xenophobia that happens or even just the volatile nature of US politics, maybe even global politics, the fact that wars are starting, is what happens if you take devices meant to amp up our most primal instincts and copy and paste them into politic s. That's what the doc's about. I'm just absolutely fascinated by this documentary. I can't wait. So it's wrestling with Trump. Wrestling with Trump. But you didn't actually get to have a fight with them now. No., no But you you would consider would have loved to see that. Maybe in part two. In a singlet, yeah. Okay. And it's out on Channel 4. Channel 4. Uh May the twelfth . Probably 10 pm. It's probab probably have to be. It's gonna have to be sandwiched between sort of the news and naked attraction, I think. Because it's a bit of both, isn't it? Excellent . I really like this um this combination of politics and wrestling, I want to shoot you some quick fire uh matchups of politicians. I want you to tell me who you think's gonna win in the fight. Joe, you in on this as well? Okay. Uh Donald Trump or Keir Starmer, who's winning in a fight? Donald Trump. Why? He but he's older. He's old he's significantly older. Ancient man. I I know, I know. And you know, I too am hopeful for Keir Starmer, but the the man sounds like he struggles with purities, do you know what I mean? To get one of those out of the rapid. Have you seen that clip of Gear Starmer playing football? He hasn't shown much athleticism . Well, I remember when there was a picture of Matt Hancock playing football, looking up to head of the ball, and it sort of looked he was it looked as though he was about to be like abducted by aliens . So I feel like as a politician, to make sure you never appear we ak, never have a football of never have a picture of someone. Are you playing football? No. Never. No. So you're picking Donald Trump in that one, are you? To win in a physical fight, yes. Kia Starr would just be too nice, wouldn't he? I think so. As in not Bar sorry. Good. Because if if if if just remember if Donald Trump lost, he'd just say he never lost. Actually pulverizyed him.. Ver badly Very badly. Very good. I actually killed him multiple times. I killed him until he was dead. We didn't. He's there, he's stood next to you. Do you wanna do your trip impression, Jake? I know you go. It's fucking awful. It's very bad. You've got Trump himself. Nothing is gonna go more viral than the two people of colour imitating Trump on this podcast. I had a I had a good go. I had a good go on. It's camper than I thought it was gonna be. It's Camp of the Night. It's quite like a Camp Wallace for Wallace and Government. He's doing he's doing fucking I really had a good fight with Kirstarmer. Oh my god, I feel like that's no that that ain't it. Joe, what's yours? Bruno Tonioli. Uh hey, I'm a fucking helmet. No, come on, give it some. Uh he's a fucking squeeze your lips together as tight as you can. Runo Yeah, good. Now throw in a hand. Do like tiny T-Rex waves as you squeeze your lips together. Like this, like this. Ooh. It's fucking yoga. It's yoga. It's T-Rex hands like this. And then squeeze your voice through your lips. Hello guys, I don't I uh I'm I'm a can't lost it. I'll take it. King Charles or JD Vance ? Is it a thumb wall? Naughty. Really naughty. It's the only sp it's only space in which you'd win, right? Otherwise. JD Vance looks like a bike. It is it's a hefty fist. Yeah. I'll give him that. One final one. You or Joe? Me . I'm too fast . Too strong. Too nimble. I got I got the trash talk. Can you cut a promo ? Can you cut a wrestling promo? Yeah. Go nim s your trump impression. It's finally done it. ally, the duck has come back to the podcast. What is your name, son? Joe. It doesn't matter what your name is. The duck is here for one reason and one reason only. And that is to tell you that for my millions and millions of fans listening at home, I have a documentary that's gonna rock you mentally, May the 12th, one hour on channel four. You gonna watch the documentary? Oh watch the documentary! I'm signing up. What the duck is cooking What I can't get my head round. And it's a big head. It thank you. Is why you didn't actually consider going into wrestling for real? Because the shape that you get in for this show was ridiculous. Like you're shredded, proper shredded. Thank you, man . Oh. You know, it's like, he'll take it. He'll take it. He'll take it on the chin. Now you know what? That did you ever actually want to be a wrestler or no no no at yeah, I would've uh look, I would have loved to be a wrestler actually. But they weren't scouting in Zimbabwe at the time. I don't think Vincent New York. Are they there nowow they have they branched out to Miss the trick if they're not. But I the the reason I I didn't actually train to get in shape for that documentary. You're just literally in shape. Yeah, I think I kind of messed myself up when I was fifteen because Because when I was 15, for whatever reason, I lived in a really isolated village in Norwich, or outside of Norwich, I used to do a thousand press-ups and a thousand sit-ups every night, but to one song. And you know the guy with the afro from high school musical, Corbin Blue? Yes. He did a skipping rope movie and it was a song from that movie called Deal With It . I shouldn't have said that. It's a safe space here. Is it? But we just do need moments to digest some of the stuff that comes out of our clients' mouths. And that's how? That's how you become a little bit 'cause that's sort of just a look at it. It's three three minute thirty-six . The sound. What do you mean? Right, the ship, so it was on loop. It was on loop. Yes. You couldn't loop. So you wanna get the day. So you'd have to get up, mid-press up. That's your break. Ye.ah. Wheel it back Start again. Yeah. That exercise routine that led to you being so shredded and strong. Is that what made you capable of crushing an apple with your bare hands? That's not true, is it? Splitting. Okay, okay, it doesn't actually matter to me whether it's split or crush. No, it does. That's not true. And the Bob Mortimer thing keeps coming up, right? Whenever there's a clip of me splitting an apple , I can't go ten seconds without someone in the comment section being, oh well Bob Mortimer did it first. But that that's why that's AI, isn't it? You can't actually split an apple. Well well let's find out. And if I can , Bob Mortimer, I'm calling him out. Me and him in the ring, ten apples apiece. As you whoever's fingers fail first. As each other, or would you have to be characters? As each other. I want straight Bob. Well if you want to call Bob out . Oh ho ho Jake, do you want to give it a go? Yeah I'll give it a go . The rings are coming off. Also, this is quite unfair because you know I have to moisturize my whole body after a shower, so there's still some Vaselinic residue. So are you crushing or splitting? Splitting. Splitting, yeah. It's like what thingy did. Bob did, yeah. No, when they tucking hell, it was when they were doing the nuclear power and all that lot. Speaking of the stuff. Yeah, but this is much more important work. Okay, so who's yeah? Okay. Would you like me to go first? Definitely. Okay . Ready? Fucking hell . And you know what? People are gonna pipe up, they're gonna say, oh, he put his fingers in it. Oh, and from a production point of view, he really should have gone like. Exactly. They don't care when I do it on any fans. It should have, it should have it should have gone least likely to do it to my but it's fine. We can. Please don't edit around it, do it how we've done it. Yeah. That is incredible. Incredible. You're gonna be able to do it, man. Trust me, it's really not. I think Jake should try it. I think Bob's made a big deal out of it, really. Grab it, here we go Okay, no that's a this is actually painful to watch now. Pass it in. Oh but you're digging. You're digging. I'm digging. Yeah. You can get some purchase, but no dig. Okay, just stop. Stop. I made it then . It's like you're trying to crush a squirrel's head. Don't do that. That was so that was so humiliating. Show me show me your one, Jeff. Mmm, I I think you did some pre- No no no no no No no don't clap He pre-dug I did you pre-dug You've already created a small opening which you then fully split, it doesn't come apart that easily. There's a fourth apple. There's a fourth apple in the drawer. There's a fourth apple in the drawer. Right, pass me okay, pass me yours one Jake, because you're never gonna split that. Right? What? Now we split it together. Oh, like breaking bread. Right. Okay. Okay. You ready? Three, two, one. Well, that is the end of our session today, Munya. Um how have you found it Dude, this has been amazing. This has been amazing. Like, this is history right here. And we gotta dap it up, man. Because this you're never gonna have a you're never gonna No no no don't. Don't do that. Okay, I thought it was gonna spit. No, it's just cooling it off. This right here, podcast history. Let's try and get a decent sound on that dad. Why is this podcast history? Because we had an insightful chat, we had laughs, and we didn't even promote Huel . That's the one, baby. That's the one. That was nice that we've done those. It's hurt a little bit as well. I was came so that was a ring, sorry. Well that was quite uh quite aggressive. Um before you go though, uh we like to give every client a reminder of the journey, the arc that they've experienced in their session via the medium of badge. Jake, what have we gone for today? We've gone with if you smell what the dock is cooking. Oh that is sick. Good. Give me that. There's not an alternative you want it, is it? This is good. Because the only thing I came away from the dock and the only badge I had said god guns and trump, which I can't wear out in public. So this is a welcome change. Here you go, man. Thank you, man. Can't tell you how nice it has been to see you. It's really special that you gave it to me as well. Yes. It's the only time I'm allowed off from this corner. If you smell what the doc is cooking, and I get a lolly as well. Yeah. Can I crunch it? In your mouth. Oh. How come there's like goo on the stick of this one? Sorry about that, that was me earlier. That that is I was very excited for you to come into the office. Don't worry about that one. Goose stick is your wrestling name. Bunya Chihuahua everybody, thank you! And that's the bottom line, because Joe Marla said so . Yeah! Stone called two boxes . Janet, it'll see you out, please. Thank you. There you go. 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