Final Thoughts and Legacy

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I'm your host, Brian Salisbury, and uh this week Cargill is off sawing the top off of his car because his AC is shot and he thought that that would work. So in his stead, for a movie this personal, this raw, this laden with nostalgia, I figured I'd bring on someone who also saw this movie for the first time as an adult. But who is also my brother, Mr. Blake Salisbury. Welcome back to the show, little brother. Well, I thank you. I thank you. I'm excited to talk about this movie. Um, this movie definitely is something I don't it inspired me to live an adult life. I'll say so. I'll say that. I'll say that before we get started. Possibly the saddest thing I've ever heard. Blake and I, two of the goofiest of goofy foots, are here today to discuss an unheralded classic of 1986. And I feel like this year we've actually talked about a lot of unheralded classics from nineteen eighty six. I promise we're not doing summer of eighty six again. That's we did that ten years ago, which is an insane thing to say out loud. But it just it just so happens that there are a lot of great movies that came out 40 years ago today. And this one in particular is a movie that the board sport industry continues to describe as legendary. If that doesn't give it away, I don't know what will. So it's not time for bashing or crashin', just high time to cashin' on thrashin' . Cory Webster is taking off for LM. He lives to thrash. Everybody wants to compete everybody and loves to compete but the competition is a killer check it out hooking the down the music of the bangles anim ation devo meatloaf, a red hot chili pepper, thrashing. Well what do you thrash ? What do you got? It's just the game, right, Valley boy? You like games, right, Valley Boy an uphill romance coy please don't go to a downhill race crash in it's not a kids game anymore Brian, how do you spell Thrashin? If we if we just want to start with the spelling of the word, how would you spell it? Now Blake, this is not uh this is not your typical uptight movie. This movie is not buttoned to the collar. This movie doesn't have a day job. This movie isn't in the corporate rat race. It's relaxed, bro. It's chilling out. It's maxing. It is absolutely uh, you know, hanging 10. That's probably more surfing. Don't worry about it. But as such, the other thing it's hanging tin while it's dropping its final consonants for sure. So this isn't thrashing . This is thrash in with an apostrophe after that in bro. But isn't that doesn't that in uh indicate that it's a plural like plurality, like it's thrashin' so would it be thrashings ? Well, I mean I think the if anything the apostrophe would suggest ownership. But nobody owns the board, man. Nobody owns So we're starting with the fact that the title is incorrect. The title is very incorrect, yes. It's incorrect. We we are starting on you know, screw the man, the man's trying to create a movie about skateboarding, man . They don't know. They don't know at all what skateboarding is to to the skaters out there, the real boarders, you know. We're not here to cater to your bullshit, old man, and put G's at the end of our words, okay? Yeah, we're gonna put apostrophes and like symbolism and she it. Was the font ever graffitied? I feel like this is a movie that calls for graffiti font. I think it is graffiti font, but based on some of the uh the moments in the movie we'll get into, I think Graffiti is heavily used to uh evoke uh symbolism uh symbolisms of other good movies versus this one. So I I do love this movie, but it is not good. Not good to from from start to finish. It is not. You know who else agrees with you, Blake, that it's not a good movie? Is the star of this movie. Fresh off of his breakout role in the Goonies, Josh Brolin follows up it by playing the hero of this movie, Corey Webster, who I believe was also the name of the character on Boy Meets World, but uh guess we'll just we'll skip that for now. Uh no, he's Corey Matthews. Excuse me. Exusec me. P yourut fucking tweets away. I just figured it out. Hey man. Put the X down, man. What are you a dagger? Put your daggerish tweets away. I don't know what that means, but just put them away, damn it. Did they even know what it means back then? Do we even know what it means now? We don't know what it means now. But like there's a lightning bolt. There's a fucking lightning bolt in the font of Thrash, and I'm j looking at the poster right now. It's not graffiti font, but I'm pretty sure there's a lightning bolt. Is it a bolt of uh courage? A bolt of standoutish uh uh uh trend setting and breaking the norms? I would think all of those things. It's definitely a bolt that has all the sugar and twice the caffeine. Oh wait, no, that's jolt. Never mind. That's not a bolt, that's a jolt. So if we're gonna get into this film, should we talk about the director? Should we talk about the director, Blake? I think we have to talk about the director because we I think we should. We wouldn't be a podcast about movies if we didn't like that I mean we could basically skip over most of what he's done and still be fine. But you know, we should talk we should give him his two minutes. And by that I mean two seconds. Sure, sure, sure. Uh Blake, but before we do that, I have to ask you the the burning question on every one's mind. What do you thrash? What do I thrash? Like in real life. What do you thrash? I gotta say that this this movie I watched when I was basically living on my own for the first time. I was like twenty plus years old, twenty-three at the thing at the time, and I was living in an apartment, and I was going back to my roots of wanting to skateboard. I don't know how to skateboard. I know how to drop in if they s if they know how to say so. See, I find that I find that surprising, Blake, because as I remember, and this is why I imagine you love the film, is because it speaks to your youth and your days as a thrasher. It does. And it also was trying to remind me of when I was in my twenties, like, hey, you can live a li festyle of sawing your car off in half and hanging out with your friends and causing a ruckus As we all have done, sawing the top off of our car. But this movie takes place in a in a time frame where like street skating was not a thing. Um so I found it to be interesting that some parts of the movie are actually like early versions of what street skating is today because the board from in the movie changed um later on as Rodney Mullen kind of perfected the actual what skateboarding looks like today um both in the street style and the actual form of the board now. Um but I just this movie is a is a moment of time. It bottles up a lot of feelings that I would only surmise when I was, you know, living that lifestyle later on is that back then it was like you weren't really advertised a lot too. Um even though there was like what two or three movies in the eighties that are about skateboarding or something, you know, gleaming the cube is another good Which doesn't drop the G. It's not gleaming with an apostrophe. It's a ming. So that's it's a little bit more uptight. Which makes sense, by the way, Blake. It makes sense that that movie's a little bit more uptight because that movie is about actual fucking like espionage and shit. Like, there's a whole way more serious subplot in that movie underneath the streetboarding. It's almost like the dagger should have been in that movie. Yes. You know, and then the kids from that gleaming the cube movie should have been in Thrashen. Like they, should just switch the titles. Well, yeah, but except that the daggers in that movie would have had to be sleeper agents for the KGB. Like, there's just way too much heavy shit going on in Gleaming the Cube. The 80s and the Cold War, man. They just it will not break up. Always these movies with the KGB and stuff. Always with the Russians. Yes, but you don't think that fucking street skaters are gonna have to take on the Kremlin. Do you know what I mean? Like that's just not something you think that they would go after. I don't know. I'm just thinking now like how many curb stomps and like melon drop like how many like skateboarding references are now being used as like KGB espion espionage words. Oh sure. Oh we gotta do an acid drop. Like wait, what is we must drop the water balloons on the hot babes in the We will step on the wall and go boneless. What? You want wings? No, boneless. Don't yes, we must fly in the goofy foot. Repeat we f,ly in goofy foot. Ah, power line. Wait, wrong movie. I've got myself a notion. One I think you will understand. From goof to goof. We should cover a goofy movie speaking of goofy. Dude, we're gonna have to cover a goofy movie. There's like there's a whole subset of our listeners who were born, you know, a few years after me that are like if you don't cover a goofy movie, I'm going to destroy you. I'm going to send the Russians after you on skateboards. The guy that loves cheddar cheese. What is he like cheddar? That's Pauly Shore, baby. It's Pauly Shore doing that voice. I don't like that movie anymore. We're going to be able to Tower of Che esa . Yeah, leading Tower of Cheesa . Jetta That's just what we're talking about now. We've abandoned Thrash and we're talking about a goofy movie. We don't care what you're listening for this episode or what you're expecting. We're just gonna we're gonna make it up on the fly because we're thrashing this review. We're thrashing this episode, so we're gonna stop talking about this goofy movie and talk about a goofy movie. Let's get into it No, it's like but I remember Blake you had the boards, you had the clothes, the general lack of ambition, and if I remember correctly, you played a lot of Tony Hawk Pro Skater. Yeah, I played a ton of Tony Hawk Pro Skater. In fact, one, two, and three and four, and really underground. I mean, we could go on, but the the start really of skateboarding games for me was not Tony Hawk. It was uh was that? Skater Die? Skater Die. You mentioned it earlier in the episode, and this movie heavily pulls from Skater Die, or maybe Skater Die pulls from that movie. This okay, so Blake, we talked about this off mic and I got a little bit obsessed, so I went back and I watched a playthrough sidebar. I watched a playthrough of the nineteen eighty-seven, by the way, NES game, Skate or Die, which is one that we had as kids and never could figure out how to play. A playthrough? How dare you stand where he stood? You should have just played it. We have I think we have it. I think we have it somewhere in my closet . Sure. It's in the in your closet, which is why I didn't break it out and play it across town. But yeah, we never could figure out how to fucking play the game. It was so goddamn hard for us. Like we couldn't figure out the the different events, but like basically you started a skate shop and then you know you go off and you do all these different events and you're trying to compete blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. So this was developed originally for the Commodore 64 and then ported to NES and and again we did play it as kids . But you will never convince me that it wasn't based on the movie Thrashen. And this playthrough, which is all of twenty four minutes, by the way, this is not a very complicated game. It's just the mechanics of it we couldn't quite master. Well that, I think's a beautiful segue to that because skateboarding is impossible to master. It's almost like that game was a true quintessential uh virtual attempt at trying to skateboard , it's not easy. In fact, you are going to eat shit. It is, it is just by nature of what you're doing. It always cracked me up that there's one event, like I think it's the high jump or whatever, where if you crashed the an because it's eight bit animation. Like you fall on the ground and I swear to god it looks like your head comes off. Like I don't think it that's what they're intending it to look like, but it literally looks like your head just comes off in pieces. I mean that's that's like the ultimate eating shit. I don't know if you can come back from that, but you know I don't think this movie if this movie had an instance of that type of uh uh a crash, I think we were we'd be talking much more about how this movie was trend more trend setting than it is today. You could you can't uneat that shit, is what Blake is saying when your head comes over. But it's not just that it's a skateboarding game. And it's not just the fact that it came out a year after this movie. One of our favorite scenes in the movie Thrash and that we will definitely get to is the skateboard joust. It is incredible. I mean the the actual creativity to it's like I don't I I can't really know how to equate more than like a grease type race in the LA , you know, uh ditches or whatever, or the the runoffs. Like it's it it has its own feel and vibe and like you have no idea what's going on. And also it is the worst way for combat. Like it is by far like the worst way to actually fight each other. It's like a trumped up pillow fight. I mean it's really what's happening. You're just doing it on a skateboard. And Blake, you have opened so many doors that I need to circle back to, so don't let me forget. But just to close the loop on this video game , one of the mini games in Skate or Die is a fucking skateboard joust where you are in a swimming pool and you're skating back and forth against an opponent and you're carrying what is essentially like an American gladiator's like joust ing baton, and you're trying to knock the other guy off the uh off the skateboard, right? Who was better at that game? You or me? Neither of us. We were both terrible. Yeah, the between us the best player was some guy named CPU. Okay? Like I know there's listeners out there going, Oh actually I was really good at that game. I probably actually beat that game. Okay, prove it. Bring it back. Yeah, yeah. Really? You were good at that game? Are you also good at a game called Hide and Go Fuck Yourself? Anyway. Drop the G and add the apostrophe and let's see you play that shit. Let's do it. Hide and O fuck yourself. Hide and O fuck yourself. Wait, not that G, not dropping that G. Got it. Okay, sorry. But at a certain point in this movie, on a half pipe is written the words skate or split. And then as I was playing the uh or playing, as I was watching somebody play the Joust mini game the other day, I noticed that the comp uter character you play against is literally named Poser Pete, and he looks exactly like the bad guy from Thrashin. Which is I don't know what's his name? Hook. Hook, Blake, send Hook. Yes. You don't even know me. Y'all don't even know me. The character is a character in itself. It is he is the weirdest antagonist I've ever seen in a film. A specifically one about skateboarding. So that's like what five? Um I just legitimately it's it's the best part of the movie is is his relationship with every other character in the film. Well at one point Josh Brolin says to his girlfriend Chrissy early in the movie, he says, Hook, I know Hook, he's a punk poser. Poser Pete, who looks like Hook, is called a poser by Josh Brolin in this movie that has a skate joust, just like the minigame in Skater Die. You will never convince me that that game was Well, it's also like how how enthralled how deep is this film in terms of reach like based on the some of the interviews with Brool and Tony Hawk talking about how you know he had gone from Goonies to this this was this was small it was small time very low budget. how Like, did this film even inspire a very classic Nintendo game? Like, that to me is just mind-boggling. Somebody who worked on this game saw this saw this fucking movie. That's all I'm gonna say. It's a thousand percent that they saw this movie. But they didn't have the backing of actually calling the game Thrashen, right? Like it's actually not the the you know, like a tie-in in any way, shape, or form. It's just inspired, heavily inspired by well, you know, I don't want to be Superman here, and I know that Jerry was a race car driver and Blake was a Tony Hawk's Pro Skater player, but I want to circle back to something you said. I want to I want to hit the half pipe and come back on the other side to something you said a second ago about uh you know the street racing scene in Rebel Without a Cause, right? Earlier in the episode when I said what do you thrash, the appropriate response vis-a-vis the movie is what do you got? Which is an obvious reference to Marlon Brando's The Wild One, in which you know he's in a motorcycle gang and they ask him, like, what are you rebelling against? And he says, What do you got? Like, the there's so much old world in this movie, and I think it has to do with you know, you mentioned the director uh earlier, Blake, David Winters. I think the fact that somebody from old Hollywood directed this movie, a guy who started off his career in the early days of television, and then he was also a film actor, and he appeared in musicals like West Side Story and Gigi and then became a world-renowned choreographer for you know movies like Viva Las Vegas with Elvis and uh one of the versions of a Star is born, I think the one in the 70s. And it just it sounds crazy that that's the guy who would direct this cheesy skateboard movie, like at the dawn of that even being a trend, right? But his background in movement and his background in spectacle, I think, is what made him understand what the best aspects of skateboarding are and w it's why the stunts in this movie, like you can say whatever you want about the rest of this movie. The stunts in this movie are pretty goddamn good. And the way the skateboarding is shot is fucking great. No, it's definitely like I don't I don't think skateboarding back then was even shot as it is today. Like if you've ever if you've ever worked. Nobody knew what it was. How do you know how to shoot something that's brand new? You know? Right. So like back then there was half pipe skating, and then there was like what was street skating, which was kind of also shot in this film, which is literally just shooting the feet of somebody like actually flipping the board or like doing like stands on it and then flipping it back and then not actually touching the ground, right? I just find it to be cutting edge in the point where like street skating and like following the person as they're skating was not, in my opinion, like a very uh present thing. So how you shoot skating today is like common sense, right? Oh, you gotta like you know, roll behind them and make sure you get the best shot. No, this legitimately was like shooting down, shooting up. There's a lot of various things like when they're skateboarding with their friends around the Hollywood um Chinese grounds theater and various things, like it it's it's shot in a way that actually makes you feel like you're riding along with them, which is I think very unique for the time. Yeah, it's like nobody knew how to film it, but David Winters is like, I'ma swing it. I'm gonna bring the noise and shoot this thing in psychovision. And that's that's entirely what he did. And it's why the movie looks so good and why I I honestly think this movie holds up. Yes, absolutely it's fucking cheesy. Absolutely, it is possibly the most low- stakes teen movie I've ever seen in my life. But there's something about it that you're just you're just gonna fall in love with. And it's it's crazy to me. We just did an episode me and Weinberg did last week on Mimic. And in the course of researching for that movie, I discovered that as much as I love this movie, as much as Blake loves this movie, because we are Blood Brothers, like it makes sense that we're both into this film. There is one person who absolutely fucking despises this movie, and that's Josh Brolin. And for years he said that this was the movie that made him want to quit film acting. He was so disgusted with his performance in the movie that He's like, I'll either just do stuff on stage or I'll go live on my ranch. Like I'm fucking done with this. I mean, how Thanos like to be like, I'm just gonna go away and you know , cause cause the balance that is amazing in Goonies in this film. And then be like, okay, that's it. The perfect balance, I'm going. The best and the worst. There you have it. I I find that to be a little overkill. Um I think this movie reached a lot of people because again there wasn't really a uh a lot of marketing or like media that like captured the moment in time that I'm sure was skateboarding and specifically in California. Um and then being around that area and being around those kids like you know, Tony Hawk, Steve Caballero, um the Bones Brigade, all of those classic skaters that were heavily involved in the film just because they were around. I mean, hell, they opened a skate park that was closed for years. It was an iconic skate park that they just opened for two days because they got their own insurance, and that was a very big thing for like the skaters in the area. So I just think that there's a lot of love for this film because of how it was made, who who made it. Um and David W inters making this a rebel without a cause on wheels. Skateboarding is just kind of uh it's a perfect way to describe this film. And then you have heavy cliches that are just over the top and characters that are goofy as hell and um a lot of great um moment like cultural moments that you know pulling in bands that we'll get to in a second that are just like wow how did you even you know align the stars for that to occur. Yeah, I agree with you, Blake. It's overkill his reaction to this movie. He sounds like he's one of 96 quite bitter beings for sure. Uh, but yeah, he just this is you're absolutely right. Like Thanos, he wanted to just snap his fingers and then go retreat to that farm planet and grow whatever the hell that fruit was and just just get away from the life forever. And actually, after a few more middling films, he did exactly that. That's the part that really blew my mind that I didn't know is that when he was cast in No Country for Old Men, he was working as a stock broker. He had fully walked away from movies. That is wild. I mean, how long so what was the gap between his actual exit of you know his early career and then back to There Will Be Blood? Uh no Oh my god, you're entirely correct. If those movies swap titles, it would be perfect. There's no blood, and there will be blood. And it is a movie where we prove there's no country for that old man, Daniel Plainview. Thank you. Wow, this is no country for old this no country for old oilmen. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm an oil man and there will be blood. It's like what if he had said that, then we all in the theater could have gone, yeah, that's the title, but he doesn't say that. So the people listening to this episode, that is the kickflip, right? We're kick flipping titles back and forth. Earlier I was like gleaming the cube should have been called thrash it and thrash it'd be called that's called a kickflip y'all. Yeah this is just what happens when worlds collide okay this is just what happens when worlds collide. 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Apparently something else that Josh Brolin was involved with was this Pro Am celebrity race in Long Beach, California called the uh the it I guess it's Downhill . No, it's not the LA Massacre somehow. But it sounds like it would make just as compelling a movie. It's the uh the annual Toyota Pro Celebrity Race. That's just what it's called. A great title, guys. Maybe call that There Will Be Blood. Give it something interesting and it matters. We don't need coin terms in a film called thrashing with an apostrophe. Certainly something long-winded as I can't even repeat what you said works. No problem. But apparently this had been going on for years. His dad had won it in like 1988 and then or 1978. And then in 2000, in April of 2000, Josh Brolin won this race. It took him just over 18 minutes to complete the course, and he outshone 17 other celebrity and professional drivers, including George Lucas, John Elway, Ashley Judd, Melissa Joan Hart, and Allison Hannigan. Where is that fucking movie? Where is the movie about this secret celebrity race? John Elway, Melissa Joan Hart, and what who what? Ashley Judd George Lucas? This is like double jeopardy Super Bowl of the Jedi's? Like what is this? No, but this is pod racing. No . Throwing a subulba in this entire conversation. No, we're sitting on a new cannonball run premise right here, and nobody's doing anything with it. I want a movie about this weird secret celebrity race in Long Beach right the fuck now. I mean that honestly should just be called thrashing too. Like, I mean, we we've lost such a moment in time that would have probably solved a lot of like, you know, world peace, world I don't know if that's gonna hit the same as it would back then. Just saying , I want to see this movie. It's called Raisins. Put those racist ass raisins in it, why not? And then the California Raisins could do the soundtrack? Yeah, the the racist ass raisins. That's exactly who I'm talking about. The racist ass ed reasons. Yes. It's hard to say. Roar, roar, roar. The fuck are we even doing? Don't know. People in the Discord understand though. That's true. So Blake, the plot synopsis for this movie on Wikipedia literally sounds like it was written by an AI bot. Can I r can I just read you this first sentence? It's fucking hysterical. I'm gonna read it as the the South Park Rob Schneider voice, okay Oh, go for it. That sounds wonderful. Corey Webster is an amateur skateboarder from out of town who is staying in Los Angeles with friends in hopes of competing and winning a downhill competition for which he has been training. What the fuck is that? What kind of bland ass generic not dropping any G's, not thrashing Well I I just think too what's you know the downhill is one thing, but I think what they film earlier in the the movie is actually the this sequence of an event, like an actual skateboarding event where you get, you know, you get three attempts and then you take your best two scores average and going up against others. Like I felt like that was a really cool sequence filmed in this in the like classic skateboarding way that we were saying was innovative. And that's like the very beginning of the film, and then the downhill ones, I was like, meh. Like they should the the actual like flip-flopping of what should have occurred, again, kick-flipping the plot of the movie, the actual bowl skating should have been the very end of the film, and the downhill should have been like the very like middle, because that's there's really no talent in going downhill. Like it's a completely different skill as actually being able to to skateboard. Like downhill racing is just racing, right? It has nothing to do with skating. Now if they had done uphill racing, that would have been impressive, but you basically have to be Superman to make that work. They're just like exhausted just like trying to like push the skateboard up the hill and kick with one foot and try to ride it, but you can't you just keep kicking and kicking and kicking. Like that would have been yeah a little bit different. It's an uphill battle. It is. It's it's a house of pain, man. You gotta have suicidal tendencies to do something like that. And I just I don't possess that . Rob Zombie. Banjo! Banjo. The other thing I love about this movie is that it came out the same year as Rad, and it's essentially rad on skateboards. I mean, that would have been such a great double feature. It is a great double feature. You can Blake, I have news for you. You can still make this double feature happen any day of the week. But the what would be first? I think you do rad first and then thrashin, so that you understand that both of them have dance numbers in c in clubs that are specific to the sport that they take part in. Like each one has an extreme sports like club where there is then a dance number using that mode of transportation. Like in there's a BMX dance number in rad . There's a skateboard dance number in this movie. And Josh Brolin wants to win the LA Massacre, which by the There's a name. There's a name right there. He wants to win the race so that he can win the honor of gaining sponsorship, which is literally what the kid in Rat is chasing. Got it. Yeah, he's chasing a a guy in a van with no windows saying, Come on, kids, let me show you what's in my van. I'll sign you up to be a skateboarder for life. Do you think it's a police van? Or a police truck? Don't think there's candy in there. We need to talk about how this is possibly the lowest stakes team extreme sports movie of the era. Uh, which is a mouthful, I understand. But we just mentioned Rad. Rad, the kid wants to be a star, he wants to win all this money. You know, he's putting off college because he's got this opportunity to chase a career, right? A weird career, but a career. Gleaming the cube, as we mentioned earlier, there's actual fucking espionage and murder involved. So like super high stakes. Real stakes. Real medium rare stakes, right? Like what are the stakes of thrashing? What are this? What is this gang of uh locals? I think they call themselves the locals. What is it that they want? What are they out here striving to do? Like, oh yeah, we want to win the LA Massacre. Why do they want to win the LA Massacre? Is it for fame? Is it for fortune? No, it's the to fuck with kids in the valley. No, they just want their ramp replaced. Oh yeah. Well that too. But That's it. That's what they want this whole movie. The bad guys burned down their ramp that they practice on. They want a new one. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you meant what the daggers want from the downhill. Because I was like, I don't think that there was ever an establishment of whatever they will the daggers don't shit. The daggers just want to be the daggers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The daggers want to hang out all day pretending they're the Foot Clan from that Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie, and Sam Rockwell's walking around offering them cigarettes. I mean, honestly, the daggers did those kids a favor when they burned down their ramp because they basically saved them from what's called liability. Right? Like, to be honest with you, when you build a ramp and you're just using nails and you got it like it's it's a process. Yeah. Right. Putting that up with your friends is is really just not good. And they were like hosting parties and stuff. You're talking serious, serious lawsuits. And where are the parents in any of this? They're all just figments of their imagination. Yeah. Right? They've ref their reference, but I'm pretty sure the dagger's house, they're all high huffing the paint with all of the spray paint in every room, which is somehow conveniently like decorated by God knows who and their friends. Probably just the daggers. I mean but again this ramp thing it this like getting the ramp replaced is less save the rec center and more I want my two dollars from better off dead. Like these kids want very little in life as it turns out. And the daggers of the time they hit them where it where it hurts deep, right? Because they're trying to find ways of screwing with the kids in the valley, specifically Cory Webster, and his friends, and they're like, I know where their ramp is. Like their sacred ground. I know where their sacred ground is, and they desecrate it. We're going to get that we're going to cut them at the heart. Like we're really going to get to what they care about the most and rip their hearts out. Like it's I get it because these kids are are basically fucking losers. Like this is the worst thing you could possibly do to them. But how much could it possibly cost to replace that ramp? It looks like they got rejected wood from a home depot and slapped it together over a weekend. Blake's absolutely right. It's a it's a lawsuit waiting to happen. And honestly like it would take them the rest of the summer probably just to get the materials and get the money to build. I mean they have like what five or six collective finan cial like means together to actually do something like that. It's not that bad. You you don't have to you could move it actually. You could theoretically move this ramp or you could just go to a skate park where you don't have to be liable for anything. Again, we have to think about the the the ramifications. This this is now like looking back as an adult going, man, that was not a good idea. You know, you could have broken a bone. That could have like, you know that could have set you back thousands of dollars back then the daggers Blake they they are just your typical multicultural , also multi-generational, weirdly teenage dirtbag but not dirt bike gang. Um and Tom my Hook, as he is as he is known, the the leader of the daggers, dresses like a skateboarding general M bison, if the M stood for Major Grindage Pro. Yeah, he is it's Donnie Jepp . I mean that's just that's basically what he is. He's just trying to be Donnie Jepp, the guy. Well Johnny Depp did audition for this role, so that's and it should have been him. This movie would have been an ultimate, like this movie is a cult classic, but I can just imagine the poster with like a Johnny Depp, Josh Brolin, and whoever this girl is that that was like her first appearance in a film, like it literally would have been the most classic of posters. Yeah, it's it's can you imagine Johnny Depp, like a teenage Johnny Depp being like, I know where their I know where their ramp is, we should go burn it down. It's like that's like it's just not gonna strike the same intimidation, I feel like. Oh hey, whoa that's too that's too hardcore for this film. We're just in it for the the the lavs and the the the minor bloodstains. I have my own castle in France. It's got a wine cellar. Anyone wanna smoke some peyote? It's just like, what is happening? The daggers are out of control . Bro, do you use deodorant ? Is that a thing in the 80s? I don't know. I'm also just realizing that I said general M bison if the M stood for Moraj grindage Bro, but then he'd be general major grindage bison, which is very confusing. So never mind. I mean that's great clarification. I think really worth taking the time to stop and circle back on that, right? I think there should be something that that states like by law that says you have to do what you just did. Right. Yeah, I g I really gotta pin the tail on the donkey. Like I really have to make sure that that gets done because I'm just I'm naughty by nature that way. I also love that the character of Hook was originally called Hawk in the first draft of the script. And then, much like in Gleaming the Cube, skateboard legend Tony Hawk is in this movie. And what do they call him ? Tony, what do they call what was it? Tony Tony Hank or something. Tony Hank. Why? That's cooler than his actual name. Tony fucking Hawk. I love how this entire film, they're like, all right, we'll put these skaters in, but wait. We have to change their name. Why? Well, we don't know if they're gonna be grow you don't know who they're gonna be when they grow up. They could be they could be anybody. They could be like, you know, Tony Hawk. Dude, I love the synth theme that plays the daggers into this movie. It's like power glove is coming over that hill. The the group, the electronic group power glove. When they start when they come into this movie, it's like, oh shit, here come the keyboards. I mean it's it's Keitar Central and legitimately I don't think that they could have assembled a greater super superhero team of skateboarders. Like you have Rodney Mullen in this film, you have Tony Hawk in this film, you have Steve Caballero in this film. I mean, it's that's that right there is the trifecta of that time frame for skateboarding. The three caballeros, you're saying. The three caballeros. Uh kick, kick, flip. I don't know. I don't know what else he would say after that, but you know . And a saliva reference. Boom. Kick, kick, flip going down on the street the street style skating board. Gotta get my ramp back kick kick flip Nothing but Donnie Jeff over here causing a shit. Now see that's two lump biscuit for it Yeah, that's a completely different type of attitude. They can be mad at life because there's nothing to be mad at in their world. With the Kitars coming over the hill, Blake, what you're saying is it really sets the moog the moog moog synthesizers don't worry about it got it okay I love that the daggers have a huge problem with breakdancing like they come across those guys break dancing and he goes breaking is a memory, which by the way, seems like the most cruel thing you can say to a break dancer because you watch that dude's soul leave his body. I mean, to be honest, I'm surprised that the this movie doesn't have like a bunch of one-liners and like trap music or like you know, like uh EDM music, because there are so many like just ridiculous cliche line one-liners that are just classic. You know what I mean? Like, and you could totally hear that over and over and over again as it's like you know coming down to a crazy ass beat the drop. Oh yeah, I guarantee you Skrillix has used at least three lines from this movie as right before the drop of his songs. Breaking is a memory. Boom, boo, boo-boo, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Or, you know, Transformers having sex while falling downstairs. You know, whatever Edium sounds like to you, uh, you could use lines from this movie to to cue up a drop for sure. But it's just it's just hilarious to me that the daggers, who by the way, some of the people in this group look like they're 58 years old, which is fucking hilarious. And then but they're just like they're dressed like they're about to, I don't know, invade Poland, and they're they're like, fuck your trendy contemporary youth culture activity. It's all about our trendy contemporary youth culture activity. I mean they're literally the same people. I d I mean like the fact that we're saying that the people in the valley is now a problem. That's basically your next door neighbor. Like we have to expand our boundaries here. Like there must be there must they literally the their sister comes in from Indiana, which I thought was a funny reference. Oh, whenever in movies Indiana. Yeah, the shorthand for a place that's very far away and completely uh a non issue, a completely forgettable place in the world, it's Indiana. Like that's just what happens. That's where we're from, and I get it. Whatever. But yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So we just became relevant, which is great. Uh before that, the state of Indiana. Did you see that? Did you hear that, Brian? We're no longer relevant. Just happened. Right. Just happen. How fast it happens. Okay, so you mentioned her already, Chrissy . The reveal that Chrissy and Tommy are brother and sister was shocking to me. Jaw dropping that they are supposedly not fucking . I mean, that would have been very awkward, but considering the weird lifestyle that the hooks live or not the hooks, see the daggers live. I mean, this is basically like a manson type ranch. It's just in a confined state. Yeah, it's it's definitely either a Manson Ranch or we're stealing TVs out of the back of Vans for Shredder and we don't. We can't figure out why Shredder wants all of these TV VCR combos. Forget about it. Uh but there's a real Tony Montana, Gina Montana vibe here. Like you'll be the prettiest girl at the dance, and he's very controlling about who she dates, and he hates that she's out all night with this guy. Like he's possessive in a way that it's like I want to check his browser history, and yes, I'm aware that it's nineteen eighty si,x but at some point in his life I'm gonna need to see his browser history. I don't think you want to. I really don't. And you know what? It doesn't help that Tommy's girlfriend, uh, in this movie, who is is played by the great Cheryl Ladd, uh, from uh from Twin Peaks, and she's amazing in this movie, but at one point calls him Scarface when he's yelling at Chrissy for being out all night with a guy. It's like, oh, so this movie is also very aware of how weird this relationship is because they just name dropped the movie where Tony Montana wants to fuck his sister. Cool. Awesome. It tries to like bring in these references of like Rebel Without a Cause that film. Like it it it's trying to base its found ation on all these classics and you still have the acting involved in this it just I it it just never hits the mark, specifically with any of the dialogue. It's always out of place, it's always for ced, and it's always ridiculous. So the fact that she's even like mentioning other films is kind of like uh it's just too much of a cliche, and you really just want to go back to the skating in this film. Like every time that they cut to the actual dialogue of this movie, you're like is a buoy. Like you'd rather just watch the stupid antics with all of the friends and all of the craziness with skating. Speaking of stupid antics, Sherylyn Finn, I think I said Cheryl lad, Sherylyn Finn as Velvet, who was also, you know, of course on Twin Peaks and is phenomenal fucking actress, is is the sort of uh his hook's girlfriend, and apparently his sister is not also his girlfriend, which is weird, because that's definitely seems to be where the movie was steering us, but whatever. And you're so right, Blake. The movie is at its best when we're just skating, when we're just thrashing out here. I mean, the movie opens with Corey, played by Josh Brolin, dreaming of skating. I just I dream like he's dreaming, he's having this elaborate dream sequence where he's thinking about skating. And personally, I just dream of movies that still had kick-ass theme songs like Thrashen by motherfucking Meatloaf. The theme song of this movie is done by Meatloaf, guys. Hell yeah. And I mean the uh the other thing that gets put up with other films I think of of this era and what we've seen, where does the bedroom rank on all of the best bedrooms of all time and like a like a coming of age story because his bedroom is legitimately like a classic looking like teenage bedroom from that time. Oh like I think the three ninjas might be up there too with like that might be a little better, but this one was pretty wicked. The three ninjas having a trampoline to get to the top bunk was always something I dreamed of, but I knew that I would just smash my head through the uh the ceiling. And that that you know, it was the nineties, so that popcorn ceiling would have hurt. Um that stipple effect would have left a ripple effect in my forehead for sure. I definitely think it's a I live with my uncle and he works nights type type of like completely abandoned child bedroom. But there is something charming about that. There's something appealing about ah, this is my space and no one ever bothers me in here kind of a thing. Yeah, yeah. I think uh you're probably paying fifty dollars a month for that place. I don't know, wh whatever your parents are charging you. So well I'm gonna do the thing that Blake said is the worst thing, and I'm not gonna talk about the skateboarding for a second in this movie. I want to talk about I know I'm sorry. I want to talk about the soundtrack. I mentioned that Thrashen song by Meat Loaf. Somehow that song and Touch the Sky by White Sister, terrible band name by the way. Uh if if it was if if Hook had come up with that name, it would have been White Girlfriend and would have been about the same person. Is that this like White Snake and Twisted Sister? They're like, how about both? It's a super group, much like damn Yankees. No, I don't know what it is. But both of those songs were recorded specifically for this movie, and then no soundtrack was ever released, and I think that's fucking criminal. It is wild to consider that no soundtrack was released because the soundtrack of this movie, and all credit to David Winters, by the way, because he was apparently known to have an attentive ear when it came to choosing the music in his films. So he used uh the music of the fine young cannibals, the bangles in this movie. And that's gotta drive you crazy, right? Hey oh, Devo , Fear, the Circle Jerks, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Which isn't that they're on the s the soundtrack, but they're in the movie. They're in the movie. I feel like I'm going full Jerry Seinfeld, sorry about that. They're in this movie and they're the ones playing the music at that club where we're doing skateboard dancing. It's just uh an essence and time that you literally just captured on film. Like it's I I I can only imagine how many of those parties actually occurred. And then like having a sequence where you're trying to sneak alcohol in with a little tiny bottle I mean, this movie hits a lot of various marks when it's not trying to, and when then when it really tries hard, it completely falls on its face. It's just the weirdest like, hey man, you should have just been you, and this would have been so much better. Like it's it just when it forces itself to do the the Hollywood thing, it fails. But when it forces itself to do the cool skating thing, it excels and it rolls and it just never stops. I love this soundtrack. Uh in the skate club, which is uh struck again, structured not terribly dissimilar from the BMX Club in Rad . Uh there it's just a skeezy club where dance numbers are taking place utilizing the mode of transportation around which the movie is sing The big difference is while Rad's BMX Club scene featured a recording of Send Me an Angel, Thrash and Skate Club features a live performance by a young, hungry, red hot chili peppers. And honestly , probably the movie's biggest claim to fame before the release of No Country for Old Men was the fact that the red hot chili peppers were in it. You know what I mean? Like Yeah, like Broolin was not a name that was gonna bring in anything. And I think Goonies would have just been the like, oh yeah, Who is your favorite member of Corey's dirtbag crew, Blake? Is it Bozo who looks like a Bobo Jason Siegel? Is it Radley? Is it the guy who's the other vampire in the Lost Boys who's not Alex Winter or uh or uh Kiefer Sutherland? I think the kid that convinces the other kid to like cut his car in half. Yes, that's Raff. Yeah. Yeah, I'm good with that kid. That kid is basically able to like well, I don't know. He he's also a bit of a douche because you know he's like, Oh, these girls like you. Let me pull your pants down. Like it's Ugh, there's so much of that that I'm also like that that would not be a friend of mine. I would probably just be like, dude, we're done. We're done here. I'm gonna just throw the top of this car on top of you now. I like when an extreme sports movie offers a little bit of time for antics. You know what I mean? In rad, it's where I'm gonna I'm gonna make the police officer chase me through the lumber yard or we're gonna go butt sliding or whatever the fuck they called it. Uh no, in this movie, the antics are we're gonna make a homemade convertible. And it's like, do you are you sure you want to convertible? I mean like you can uh I I do find beauty in the fact that they clearly were like, Yeah, we we just do exactly what the movie says, which is cut the top off and that's all they do. And I'm also like, wait, how many cars would that actually work on? Like how how many many actual vehicles did we drive in our childhood? Nope, drive in our teenage years that we could have just cut in half, right? And been actual like convertibles? I think a Honda would have done fine. I don't know about the SUV that we were driving it later on. I don't know. It's just that to me the creativeness and um the ability to wasn't there a car in Skater Die that was also very similar looking to I would not be surprised at all. I bet there was a couple of cars in that Toyota race, that celebrity Toyota race in Long Beach that were homemade convertibles, and probably a couple of Cabriolettes, which is what uh Radley convinces Bozo they're turning his car into the Cabriolet, that's right. Because he can't say Cabriolet, but he says it's Hungarian for fast car. I'm like, is that what the Tracy Chapman song is called in Hungary? Is it Cabriolet? Hungarian fast car You got a homemade convertible. I wish you didn't do it, but you fucking did. Camberly . But I was just like, I like those antics. I like getting to see like what these idiots are up to when they're not skateboarding because most of the movie they're they're just fucking skateboarding. And then, you know, we're doing that that pool competition, you know, where we're it's like Blake said, what seems like it should be the final contest of the movie , but is not. And Corey gets jacked by these daggers that he's run a foul. Wicked rug burn on cement . He get no, he literally gets jacked. They throw a bunch of jack. When I say this movie is old Hollywood , the way the bullies th like hurt him and throw him off of his game and his skateboard is they throw metal jacks into the pool when he's riding back and forth. If this movie would have waited ten years, they're throwing pogs at him. You know, they're straight up just decking this kid with pogs. Slammer! Slammer! Slamming! Oh god, it was a movie would have been called Slammin'. Oh my god, it would have been called Slammin'. Apostrophe. We should make Slammon , which is the true sequel with Bro olin today playing pog s and just the most boring th like narration of all time. He's like, I don't understand any of this. What does a slammer do? Oh no, that one's a flaming eight ball slammer. He's doomed I some the the vil the last uh boss in this movie, the final boss, Ernie Ball . Oh dam n . Ernie ball, whoever he may be, they may be. Is that a person or is that just a logo? I don't know. But I I want I want that to be the final boss. But I I love that while it messes up his his arm, it doesn't stop him from banging Chrissy. Like we have a full on sex scene in this movie. Like a a little bit . It's just like you're watching this and I'm like, oh, wait, is this what is this rated again? Because that like it it's's the grain on the film makes you wonder, you know, how low budget this film actually is. You know? Because the grain on it is like, ooh, is this actually like a made for TV or what late night TV? Like real late night TV? No. I think Corey gets a lot of ass. In fact, I think he's on a dating website called thrashors mash.com . That's ridiculous. There wasn't internet yet. I also love the post-coidal skateboard chase set to wild in the streets by the circle jerks. Yes. I love that song. So we watch him have sex and then the circle jerks are chasing him. I think there's something very uh appropriate about that. And he gets away by getting on top of a bus and like hiding cleverly like as it's just this movie like you're saying the antics which are like half of the film are the most interesting part and you just don't want anyone to talk. You just want skating. Yeah. And then you know I love that they're skating up and down that parking garage trying to catch Corey. Uh he he gets Roland gets away, so clearly the only recourse for the daggers is to bore is to burn Corey's crew's ramp. Like it's like I don't know that that really like I can't like you fucked my sister, I'm gonna chase you through the streets. You got away, so I'm gonna burn down your ramp. Like it just kind of seems low ball all the way. Like I'm just like And then it goes really high ball for no reason where it's like hey now we have to have a f a gauntlet Dude Like what ? Dude Skate joust Skate Joust It's time to talk about skate joust Is it a film that predated the the the game Joust or did they create joust? Well I mean Jousting was created by like medieval knights so no way No that never happened before Thrashen and they didn't ride ostriches. I'm sorry to break this to you, but it was in space though, right? Yes. Spies. Spice. Look, there is only one way that we settle disagreements here at Junk Food Cinema, and that's Thunderdome. But if Thunderdome is occupied, then it's obviously skate joust. Occupied? Is it is it like uh uh octopuses? No no no it's just somebody checked it out. You know, they went on Outlook and they scheduled the room and you know it's it's their Thunderdome time, not my Thunderdome time. So instead, we're gonna do skate joust. This scene is fucking wild. It is like it is so intense and so tribal. Like Tommy's wearing actual war paint. There are people holding flares. I'm like , what movie did we just skate into here? I would also mention the fact that I think the idea of Skate Joust is much cooler than actual Skate Joust. Because as we get to the action of jousting in this scene, like everything leading up to it is like this is gonna be fucking epic. Like this is gonna be beyond Thunderdome. Yes. Right? Like this is going to be crit oh, they're literally just like getting right next to each other and then like flailing this fake mace. Like in your head, jousting is incredible. In this film it is built up to be the greatest thing ever. And then it's like, wait, what ? It's the kind of thing you and your cousin would get up to when your parents were busy, you know, and they weren't watching you as closely as they should have. But the way it shot with the shadows, the flares, the smoke. Like I kind of love this scene. Yeah, I do too. I love it. Again, this is just old Hollywood shit. Like we're gonna make this look like this really intense showdown and like they're skating back and forth whipping what look like just pillows at each other and like when they fall it's like yeah yeah and like they're launching at each like it is like this is the only moment in the film where it feels like somebody might actually die and there's literally something called an LA Massacre later in the mov ie. The i the poor Brolin's arm, which is really the the real victim in this, is that the only person to get hurt in this is is Brolin, who I don't know of many uh downhill uh races that get impacted by somebody's arm. Yeah. So it's like the worst thing that could have happened is your leg got broken because then you can't skate. But the arm we're gonna lean on this arm quite a bit at the third part of this film. And it's it's certainly something where you're like, this was completely avoidable. Like and and Cory's girlfriend, Chrissy, is basically like, Why, why are you doing this? You have nothing to prove. And at the same time, it's like, yes, what are you doing ? Because this whole time you're wanting this this sponsorship to be a skateboarder, but in reality, now you're just like trying to prove a point where yes, they burn down your ramp and then your friend goes and confronts them and, then he gets his ass kicked, and then you're like, Yeah , we're gonna take you on. Like, it's like, what just focus on the end goal, man? You're gonna get sponsorships, you can leave that town, and then you would win. But no, it's all gonna be semantics, it's all gonna be daggers versus valley boys. I really wanted a scene where Chrissy's like, Corey, no, you can't participate in skate joust. It's really stupid. Like that was the reason she didn't want him to do it. We're physically and emotionally d one if you think that this is going to solve any problem whatsoever. When you gotta joust, you gotta joust. But see the way it's shot though, and like the ridiculousness of it, this is exactly the scene I hope to find in movies when I'm discovering movies that that hit me in the right spots. Like a scene like this that clearly nobody involved in making this movie thought was stupid. Like nobody could see how how silly this was. So they're all playing it deathly serious, and because of that, it is just marvel ous. I love scenes like this. Well, like also the montages that they've also put into this film and just really trying to force this love connection between Corey and Chrissy when neither one of them really look like they're that interested in each other. No. Just the entire time it just feels like opposite attracts and it's just kind of bouncing off. And my favorite part of this film, because after the joust, after the police show up, after they skedaddle, right, and you realize that Corey's hand is now broken and his heart is also broken. And it's like, how is he gonna put himself together to finish this film? The finish this downhill LA massacre. And we have one of the greatest and dumbest scenes I have ever seen in a film where he is literally getting himself back into skating shape or whatever that may look like. And he looks he's he skates and he falls and his hand ow, and he looks amongst he's like in the desert, and there's like next to this highway and Chrissy has boarded a bus and is going back home and you know they've just missed each other with the connections and they're trying to figure out why they really should have shouldn't have broken up. And like as he's looking and staring off in the distance, the bus that she is on literally is driving those by next to him. It's like, what are we doing? Like, this is so dumb. And then they cut to her and she's just reading a magazine. He's like, Oh, Chrissy. Like he's having this great dialogue and monologue to himself. And it's like, well, ah the and she's like driving by like reading a magazine. She's going back to Indiana, which again, something mutually appreciated by these two Indiana boys, is that our home state, like I said before, is shorthand for the saddest, most most most remote place a person can slink back to after washing out somewhere better. We do have tenderlines though. That's true, and they're really fucking good. They're really good and they're really big. And they're they're like laughably big to the point where you put a bun on it and it's like w you have to have that bun, but like how do you grip it? How do you even eat it? You can't Yeah, it's it's basically the skate joust of sandwiches because it's so ridiculous and yet it is very real. Tinder loin should have an apostrophe at the end. Where? Tenda loin? No, no, no. Like after the in and loin. Do you think that uh art home state should uh enter into an agreement with the uh the dating app Tinder and do some tender tender loins ? Or does that just sound like more? No, I'm just like, no, not this corporate collaboration. No. I just want my tenderloins without the tender like I just I just want my tenderloins. I don't want to tell you backwards synergy that collapses in on itself because tenderloin just sounds like two different sex things. So never mind. After these messages , we'll be right back. You get in the van. It's Team Bam versus Team Hawk in Tony Hawk's Underground 2. This time it's not just about skating, it's about mayhem. Tag it, slap it, thrash it, blast it on a totally underground, definitely illegal world destruction tour. Tony Hawk's Underground 2, rated T for T . World-class fishing. Crystal blue waters, endless sunshine. There's so much about Florida's water ways to enjoy. Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission encourages you to take part in the national spring aboard campaign and take a boating safety course today. You can take the course in a classroom or online. Just make sure you take a course. 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When you shop for locally grown fruits and vegetables, look for the Fresh from Florida logo. It's a sign of local pride, peak freshness, and quality you can trust. That little logo, it's a big deal. LA Massacre is a 20-mile downhill skateboard race from the top of tuna canyon, for real, that's what they call it, all the way down to the Pacific Coast Highway, the PCH, and they reach speeds up to 60 miles an hour. Yeah, they literally start in Paradise and in Skid Row because this movie's a metaphor for addiction. Well, it's it's basically predicting the U.S. economy for the next 40 years. Like we're gonna start up here and then end up way the hell down there, and there will be people falling immediately, uh, because that happens in this movie. But Blake's right, the training montage where Brolin has to teach himself how to skateboard with one arm. And it's like, um I I feel like you could do that pretty easily. I mean, I'm not a thrasher myself, but I think it's possi ble. He's using his hand to try to pivot while like moving downhill, which I guess is a thing, but also use your feet. Like it's a skateboard. It is not a handboard. Like it is it it is just laughable to me that like he's literally duct taping his entire hand for the purpose of what? Just turn. Literally just go that way really fast and if something gets in your way, turn . Blake, I am so glad I have you, a former skateboarder on here, to tell me these things, to fill me in with context such as skateboards are not handboards. I broke my wrist skateboarding and you know not skateboard well skateboarding dude roller skating as every lame modes right broke my wrist and guess what I didn't try to do I didn't try to turn using my hand I tried to brace my I just love the idea that your story isn't so much thrashing as it is Skate Town USA . I didn't have a hook in my life, I guess, to like push me to like do something like more hey, don't you want to skate for the rest of your life and have a sponsorship? I'm like, nah, I'm really good, man. I'm just gonna, you know, ease my hand and do something else with my life. And and this story really tells you that he this is what happens when you actually push yourself and and skate with your hands. You know, you can make something of your life. Well the hook brings you back. And I know that's not a a track from one of the Tony Hawk Pro Skater sound tracks. So I am now the boy who destroyed his own running joke. Uh, but yeah, the hook brings you back, as it turns out. And this this scene, man, it's just like once again, he knows how to shoot. He knows how to shoot skateboarding. Like say what you want about maybe David Winters being a little too Um senior to uh to make a movie like this and coming from the wrong world, but he knows how to shoot the hell out of this LA Massacre, this downhill race. Before there's any semblance of a turn, dudes just start falling off their skateboard. At one point a dude goes off the road and ends up in a tree, like the top of a tree. It was all of the scar tissues that we wish we saw in this film happened. And they f Fly away on my skateboard. I mean, do you think that this director wore a fedora while shooting this movie. Hey Blake, it's not a hand board . M elody Mothrasher. Mutthrasher. My dagger. Oh man, that's really dangerous. I don't like calling people daggers. I don't I don't like how that sounds coming out of my mouth. I don't like it at all. It's it's almost like too sharp of a word. You know? But we get to the end, he wins the race. You know, he heroically, despite his non non-hindering issue wins the race and he get you get that moment of begrudging respect from hook like that was a great race man. Yeah, we're like friends now. Stop fucking my sister 'cause I want to. Okay, bye, movie. Well, like usually when you beat each other up when there's a bully and the bullier type relationship, but like them getting into a jousting match, again a way more interesting climax of a film, that doesn't bring them together. A downhill race does. Yeah. Like this This film just has moments that just I know collectively as a film you put moments together and there you go, there's a story, but it's just so fragmented and jaded, and just I don't know, like each scene is something where you watch and it just blows your mind for no like the wrong reasons. It's not a film that you go back and go, man, that story is just such a fun thing to Like Street Fighter. I love watching that movie because it is a s like it's literally the best story of all time and it's ridiculous and dumb. This movie is not a good story. It just has these really fun pockets that are like the it's not a boring film to watch because it it it keeps the pace, but you're not interested at all in the story. And I find that to be like a very unique thing in a film that I love is like I don't care anything about the story. I just care about these little moments within the film. I love this film. Like I think it's it's such a weird little time capsule. Like I love it when movies are trying to capture a new thing and you have people like you have older directors making movies about teen culture and like the wild ways that that can vary in authenticity and overall quality. Like there's just something so charming about movies like this to me. And uh I also love the fact that Catherine Hardwick got her start in movies as a production designer on this film. The the birth of things from this film is the beauty of this. Yeah. Red Hot Chili Peppers, Tony Hawk, Rodney Mullen, um Josh Brolin, uh uh uh s something else re interesting. Sherlin Finn. These this is the innocence and the birthplace of a lot of those actors and those careers. And it's like just again, it's an interesting time capsule to look through a window and watch this because it seems like the people making this film had a lot of fun making it, right? It's like this film didn't have a ton of money and, it took a lot of people to buy into it. And the execution was fine, I guess, for the the acting, even though I think that they overacting it a lot of the parts, but the the actual sequencing and the the cultural element, the impact, that they got the vibe, and it's crazy they got that much right and then didn't actually execute on the final product side. I just that's the beauty of this film. It's just rough around the edges in a perfect way. Yeah, for sure. And I I love the that Josh Brolin seems to have finally come around on it. Like the interview he did with Tony Hawk where he's like I've spoken so much shit about thrashing. I end up doing the movie, I saw the movie, I went to the premiere, and I was like , your acting is so bad, you're hurting people. Then you get to a point, which I think you and I have gotten we've gotten to that you look back and you're like, okay, when people come up and they say, Hey man, you saved my life and you're like, How? And they go, When I watch Thrashen, everything changed for me. I come from this childhood, everything changed. I got into skateboarding because of thrashing. And you go, okay, so it's actually irresponsible of me to when people come up and they go, Hey, I love thrashing, and you go, Thrashin sucked. Right. You know what I mean? Yes. And you don't make it personal like that and you go, oh good, man, I'm glad you liked it. Thanks a And he talks about like he can't believe he can't believe they still do screenings of it and it's like he's finally started to be in a good place with himself, I think, as a performance. Like, dude, you're one of the biggest stars on the planet now. It's okay that you have movies like this. And there are gonna be audiences who you know pick up on these things and love them despite themselves. Like that's why this podcast exists. And I think this movie is perfect junk food fair. It's got a lot of things that are genuinely impressive. The way the skateboarding is shot, the soundtrack is incredible, the fact that the red hot chili peppers appear in the movie, like a very young Josh Brolin, a very young Tony Hawk like finding his footing. It makes a