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On the album show on Sunday afternoon on Greatest Its Radio Team one and four , we play a track in our so and the last hour is the classic countdown from particular year in the past. Yeah . And we play a track from the album which is over your right ear from Par in the Darkness . Yeah. What did you up against the wall? Oh, fantastic. What a what an absolute banger . Yeah. And because of the way it sounds and because of Tom's voice, it just goes, yeah, this is nineteen is it seventy eight, I can't remember anyway. It was but it's just seeing your seeing your power in the darkness cover there. It's just this is the other thing I have over here hang on the rising Free EP See that? Yeah, I don't know . I don't know that. So that's the one which has got Glad to be gay Martin, you know, it's the live one. It's it's it's absolutely fantastic. Absolutely classic classic TLB. And I saw Tom Robinson play at Glastonbury a couple of years ago and it was still absolutely electrifying. Yeah, I think he's I just think he's fab . Well, you can tune in this Sunday afternoon and you'll be able to hear it play ed at the radio because I still fantastic things sound better out of the radio. They do. Holly Slatcher Yes says Mark and Simon, this is a complete long shot, but I thought I'd message you in case you might be willing to help with something really special for my boyfriend's thirtieth birthday. Okay, I'm putting together a video of birthday messages from friends, family and people he loves. And as a long shot, I thought I'd reach out to you as he is mad for your podcast . He is absolutely filled mad and he has listened to you guys . For as long as I've known him, we genuinely have you playing most days. That's how job . Whether it's in the car while cooking or just around the house. His name is Tom and a quick happy thirtieth from you both would honestly mean the world to him and make his year. His favorite film is Back to the Future and he just loves everything you guys post. You can send it on here or on WhatsApp if he's, you know, we'll do it here, thank you. Completely understand if not possible . You guys are amazing says Holly Slatcher. So would you like? He's called Tom and he's thirty . No, fantastic if we don't just want to bang. Yeah, do you have he just wants happy birthday video. He doesn't want you to sing. Well, you know, he can right. You just say happy thirtieth birthday. Happy thirtieth birthday told me you're gonna get a song, but you got stopped . Yeah , Tom, thirty , apparently. Imagine being that old , I look forward to, do you remember being thirty? Me? Yes. No, it was a previous century, wasn't it? I think it was a premium yes it almost certainly was. As Richard Roll pointed out . Yes here's a word before Mark does sing for you, Tom . Things get better. Each decade improves probably until the next one when things get worse. But anyway, at the moment, you've got a lot to look forward to. Lime, I prefer the bagpipes myself So happy birthday T,om How. about thate?c Eutx ive service. Although this does feel a little bit like those things those messages that Nigel Farras did for one hundred and fifty quid. Oh wow. Well, you contact Timmy wishes you happy birthday, but anyway we're doing that for free for you contact him and he says things that are politically yes, but we don't do that kind of thing but we do it for Tom because he loves this podcast. So thank you, Tom . And I think Holly sounds like a keeper. That's what I'd say. Yeah, absolutely. Sophie from London, but originally from Maclesfield. I've been Van Got Easter for a couple of months now. I was horrified to hear Simon describe the childhood gym sooty in sweeps success as something of an oddity. This is the first time I felt compelled to write in, although at first it does seem a bit odd that a grown single man has decided to live with a miniature mute magic bear, a squeaking dog and a bossy speaking panda, Harry Corbett and later his son Matthew, whose version I watched in the nineties, did create oh yeah change your tone did create a homely yet wonderful world in which it was okay to be silly and a little daft basically yourself. Much of the show's heart came down to its lovable idiot sweep and forever the ultimate idiot, Matthew Corbett, whose boasting always ended with a literal cream pie in the face. It also had some pretty good guest stars, Bonnie Langford, strong man Jeff Capes, and Olympic gold medalist swim mer Duncan Good Hugh to name it a few . Okay , I know this is a digression away from film, but I just had to correct the record The suit to your Sutian swips i in swip y from London . I think the odd bit was correctly characterized by you . Sophie, you got that bit in the first part of the paragraph, but then I completely understand that sweep is indeed the guy who makes it being the lovable id iot . Yeah . So thank you very much indeed for that. As I said, I loved Sutien Sweep. My grandfather who left me this ring, lived across the road from Harry Corbett, and we were taken over to his house one day and we met Sooti and Sweep and Sue and they were real . They were real . Okay . I saw them, you know, I said hello to them. I've been listening to an audiobook called Why Can't I Just Enjoy Things by Pierre Navelli A Comedian's Guide to Autism and it is genuinely fascinating. Okay great, . he And talks about the euphemism treadmill, I think he calls it, how words which starts off which I know this is a distraction which start off being used by the medical fraternity then become an insult. And idiot being one of the words which Sophie just used for sweep, idiot was a it was used by the medical types, by doctors because it was a classification of person . He's just imagine you get a letter from your doctor said, Well, we've had we've had a look. We've decided you're just an idiot . But it's the euphemism treadmill. It starts off there and then it ends up as an insult and used by school kids. And so they have to move on and do something else. Anyway, you think you think that's the result that comes back on when Trump takes yet another dementia test, which he aces . And you know, it says, Oh yeah, you know, I'm so great because I acce the dementia test. Yeah, no, you're just an idiot. Yes. Exactly right. But anyway, if you're interested in such things, I do recommend and the audiobook particularly Pierre Navel is Why Can't I Just Enjoy Things? A Comedian's Guide to Autism. I was going to keep it for my recommendation for next week's show, but anyway, there guys just come out straight away. Very entertaining. It is. Okay, overflow car park. The main car park is full, please follow the signs. Some extra correspondence here. Tom and Jerry, which I think you review in summary , you said was one of the worst films you've ever seen. Ever seen, yes This from Jacinta in Welling dear Devil Jerry and Angel Jerry haven't seen Tom Jerry and the Forbidden Compass, but Marc's review reminded me of a mobile game I came across a few years ago called Tom and Jerry Chase . It's developed by Net Ease and published by Warner Bros. originally only available on Chinese servers, which might explain why it's not widely known here, right? The game is a four versus one cat and mouse multiplayer, but because there were so few characters at launch, it began introducing new skins , expanding minor characters and inventing entirely new ones, including Devil and Angel Jerry. Over time, with constant updates and story events, it became almost unrecognizable from the original show, incorporating increas ingly elaborate and fantastical elements. According to the game's surprisingly detailed wiki, recent character skins include names like Tide Conqueror, Opera Phantom, and Captain Cosmos, which gives a sense of just how far it's evolved. So Mark's description of a Tom and Jerry film full of new characters, chaotic action and strong Chinese inspired design made me wonder could it actually be drawing from this version of the franchise? The overlap feels too close to be coincidence and then encloses some photographs of the game . And she signs off by saying Tinkerty Tonk and Down with all this gestures at everything so every good . So that could be right. So if Tom and Jerry has already evolved in this game, maybe that was the starting point for the forbidden compass. Yeah, perhaps it was. It doesn't make it any more tolerable. Roger Wu longtime listener, first time writer, I don't think this will be read out. There are probably emails out there that are more worthy of being read, but as a Taiwanese citizen who enjoys your podcast during long runs and my commute, Simon's mention of Taiwan in the latest Tom and Jerry review made me do a double take and I almost fell off my bike. Love the show, keep up the good work and because I don't get a chance to write this off ofllteno. to He J ason. Roger, thank you very much. I don't know where that means you are living in Taiwan or you're a Taiwanese citizen somewhere else in the world. But I did go on to the IWITA app . Yes, where I hadn't been for a while . We have there four are thousand seven hundred and ninety two people who've logged on there in a hundred and nine different countries around the world As far as I could see none in Taiwan, but we do have I think like sixteen listeners in mainland China . So wow. Yeah, that's what I thought. Truly international reach one hundred and nine countries message to our advertisers. If you think you can reach no one in Touch, well maybe, just Roger in Taiwan, although he hasn't, I wittered Sixteen listeners in China think what you could sell to the Chinese by just putting an ad here. Anyway, Roger, thank you very much. Also in the overflow car park on Rose of Nevada . Oh yes, good. Marcus Milburn, Head of Media Studies, Ship Lake College, Henley On Tams. Right. I just want to get in touch to echo what has been many people's overwhelmingly positive reaction to Mark Jenkins' Rose of Nevad a. And the quite special experience my A level media students and I had with the film at the Savoy Cinema in Penzance. As part of our annual art photography and media studies visit to Cornwall this past week, I organized' ad trip to the Savoy so my students could enjoy a private screening. A number of films were on offer, including one that really caught my interest. The aforementioned Rose of Nevada, what better than to watch a film made in Cornwall by a Cornish director in an Cishor cinema. Very good. While some of my students didn't necessarily get it, and I imagine if you probably didn't enjoy it, they all certainly experienced it. And what an experience. Rose of Nevada is a haunting, haunted film, and it has been a long time since I saw a piece of work that was so of a place and so rich in texture that coming out of the cinema and stepping into an environment where those textures existed was quite something . A massive thank you must go to Georgie and Ben at the Savoy for helping organise the trip and for taking our students on a short tour of the cinema and answering their questions down with the usual and up with hand cranking and analogue filmm aking. So that's another thing Yesterday in a packed day of screenings , yeah, at the end of the of the three film marathon , I then went over to a studio in Tottencourt Road to do the director commentary with Mark Jenkin for Rosen V ada , which is now the third. So I've done we've done the commentaries together. I mean, I'm not doing them. I'm just prompting him. I'm the, you know, I'm the interviewee basic what's that? What's going on here? Yeah, no, precisely. And I know that that sounds like the simplest thing to do, but it's it's a weird thing because essentially what you're doing is you're watching the film and you're hearing a little bit of the dialogue just in the background and you're discussing the film but constantly interrupting yourself going oh just okay who's that? What's that? How'd you do that? What do you do that kind of thing? And then we then legged it down to the Groucher where I was again hosting a thing with Mark doing a Q and A. And so I've now watched Rosenwalder for a fourth time going through it with the thing. And I have to say every time I see it, I see stuff that I hadn't that I hadn't noticed before , you know, things like the fact that when you're first introduced to the character played by played by Callum that he's running away from something, which I had not, I don't think I'd I've seen it three times and I hadn't clocked that there's a significance that he's running away from something . Anyway, it's it is future viewings bear great fruit. And also tomorrow, well, if you're listening to this on Thursday, which you will be recording it on Wednesday tomorrow, Thursday, I'm doing a thing at the plaza in Truro with Simon Brew as part of his film stories live tour. So I'm going to be I'm going to be discussing the merits of well whatever Simon Burry wants to talk about really, which is always interesting. Yeah, he'll be the one going, What's that? What do you mean? How he will be who's that? What are you doing here? Where are one more Ben Thompson in Sydney, Austral ia, long time listener from driving home on a Friday afternoon listening to five live to running with my fruit based devices and second time correspondent. Now a colonial commoner residing in Sydney, I took child number one to see the Mandalorian and Grogu at the IMAX today. This was his second visit to this venue . The first being when my wife was five months pregnant with him and we went to see Dark Knight Rises. Needless to say this was more memorable for him as he's now thirteen. We've been watching the back catalogue of Star Wars movies and TV series for over a year now, therefore I was keen to understand what he thought. He initially ranked it as his third favorite film behind Revenge of the Sith, Return of the Jedi as Joint Top, but then remembered Rogue One so it dropped down another place. However , he did recognize this high ranking might have been influenced by the experience of just going to the cinema. Yeah . He liked the action and the scary monsters that popped up frequently and thought the story linked well with the series. For me it was an okay movie, more so than the last film in the latest series and solo, although not a patch on the Empire Strikes Back or Road or Rogue One. The plot jumped along from set piece to set piece the, act bution was enjoyable, albeit a bit too much CGI, and the Grogu scenes were fun and nothing like the cringe worthy e woks of previous films and TV series, but mostly it reminded me of the joy of going to the cinema, even with surround sound and a large TV at home, it can't be beaten. We're now on the hunt for any screenings of the older movies so we can continue to test his rankings. If everything that he's seen has been at home, then you can imagine that you go and see your first sort of Star Wars related film in IMAX. That's going to be quite an experience. Yeah, absolutely. And there is no better way of seeing the Star Wars films than on a big screen because they were they were designeded to be protect. I told you I've said this story before, but I'll just repeat it very quickly. Sorcerer that I have the soundtrack album for there, when sorcerer was made, it took like four years they took to make it. And they had the trailer that Bud Smith had cut and the trailer was going to be shown at man's Chinese on Hollywood Boulevard, Hollywood Boulevard? Yeah, Hollywood Boulevard or is it on yeah anyway in Hollywood? And Bud Smith went down to see the trailer and the guy who was running the thicket said, Yeah, there's just some science fiction film on. So come down and watch the trailer, you know, and if you want to watch the science fiction film, it's fine. So Bud Smith goes and he sits there and the curtains open for the trailer of sorcerer and it's grim and gritty and it's like four years in the making and it's the toughest thing. It's really, really and then the curtains close and Bud Smith's memory is and he thought that looks amazing. And then he said and then the curt ains started opening. And he said, and they just opened and opened and opened and opened and opened. And then the thing came on which said long ago in a galaxy far far away and he thought, We're finished . Really? He just literally five seconds. Literally just said the world is we are and the word he used was not finished although it did begin with F . Yeah. And I kind of guess that might be the case, but. very But very interesting to get that kind of eyewitness account from someone who'd never seen any of it before, didn't know what was about to come. No, he was wrong, actually . So wasn't he? Because we're still talking about that film. Well, no , it flopped disastrously when it first came out. Apart Apart from that, apart from that. Apart from it destroying Friedkin's career and nearly bankrupting a studio, no it was fine. I mean now we all consider it to be a masterpiece. But correspondents of Koven . com tell us something that's out that we can go and see. There is a poster for this new movie which very conveniently has a phonetic reading of the title. The title is built ER UP CJ A and underneath it it says Eruptia , okay? Which is Polish. So this is Polish for eruption eruptia . It is directed and produced by Pete Os, who's best known for Everything Beautiful Is Far Way , which is this independent science fiction film . This new film is co written by Pete O 's , Jeremy O'Harris , Charlie XEX , Leonagora and Will Madden and it stars Charlie XEX , Linagora, O'Harris and Madden. So it's very much a collective effort written by the group of people who are in it. The official plot synopsis, and I'll read you this because I think it'll become apparent why . A romantic vacation goes awry when a volcanic eruption strands Bethany , Charlie x, and her soon to be fiancee Rob, will madden, in Warsaw, Poland. Bethany takes an explosive event as a sign to ditch her baggage , reunite with her childhood friend Nell, Negora , and trapes across lofts, clubs, and back alleys all the while becoming entangled in an emotional web that challenges her sense of self. Here is a clip. Chenkuya . Chenkuya . And how'd you say you're welcome? Nimaz . Nimazzo. And I love you . I didn't expect Warsaw to be so beautiful . With it as romantic because you remember it Can I say that? We might have an issue. It seems our flight has been cancelled volcanic ash You know, I think I'm going to go and explore actually . I met a friend in Warsaw Nell . Why are you here? Mount Etna erupted yesterday. So the film is short , seventy one odd minutes long. Wow, that is short. The action plays out over a number of days and honestly watching it felt like watching it play out in real time. I mean it's basically a film about self obsessed narcissistic young people trapped somewhere due to a volcanic eruption, betraying each other, wandering around in a self indulgent rever ie. At one point , the narrator whose voice incidentally sounds like an AI generated droneathon. Oh dear , tells us that two characters spent the evening getting drunk, taking drugs and dancing with strangers, after which they took turns reading verses of poetry to each other. Now , sometimes it's possible to say that a film is not for me. Masters of the universe never cared about it, never cared about the toys, never cared about the characters. Super Mario . You could take or leave it, but not for me, obviously. The thing is I have been a young person . I have been a young person who has been betrayed by other young persons . I have spent plenty of time wandering around in self indulgent reveries. I have indeed also been somewhere where I was trapped by volcanic eruption. The only thing I'm missing in terms of the life experience to Can I connect to this movie is the bit about randomly reading poetry ? And I hated this movie . I hated every smug , self involved second of it artier than that , storytelling . I hated the stylist ic devices that made it feel like you were watching someone else's home videos. Home videos of people that you don't know and don't care about and don't want to know and are never going to care about it. I hated the people . I hated their navel gazing solepsistic humor. I hated the alleged jobs that they were meant to be doing. One of them is meant to be working in a flower shop. Another is a painter. I hated their stupid responses to the unfolding events, the out of context falling over and rolling around on the pavement because they are so crazy and full of poetry . I found the whole thing so great in this year, I'm not making this up, right ? I saw this in Mr. Young's, which is a quite small screening room. And for some reason I found the sound really, really abrasive, like really abrasive , like loud and really abrasive. I checked afterwards with some other people in the screening room. They said, No, it's just you. It's just you. At one point in the film, I found the sound of the voices and the door slam ming and the home video quality of it so annoying that I actually put my noise canceling headphones on to drown it out and then I had to take them off because I couldn't understand . You're in a film. I'm in a film . Watching a film on my ears one of your favorite is one of your favorite screening rooms . You're sitting there probably three rows up last one first on the no front row because it's Mr. Young's front row. Okay edge they're kind of far left . Last house in the left . And you put headphones on in the middle of a film? Now they weren't turned on. They were just physically protecting my ears . Lightly I would all from like your man in tuna. Exactly like your man in tuna because I found the sound of it so aggress ively abrasive that I put them on and it didn't really work. I couldn't turn them on because that would be a code violation . But I had five minutes of watching the film with headphones on and it wasn't m aking any difference. And the film revolves around this central idea of a volcanic eruption far away somehow mirrors the eruptions close to home. And I found myself wishing that everybody in the film would just jump into a volcano and be done with it . James King was in the same screening, right? James Boy King, James Boy King and I was over the far left, last I'll see it on the left and he was over on the far and at the end of the film he said I could feel you hating it. And I said, How ? How? I didn't make any noise. He said, No, I didn't need any noise . I regret hated it. He said, said You you you radiated hatred for it. Now microwaves . In the interest of fairness , another critic in the screening, who I respect very much said as the film finished, what a lovely way to spend seventy one minutes, and he had really enjoyed it and really been charmed by it Another critic who was a friend of mine thought as I did, it was insufferable . And James thought , you know , but his whole experience of the screening, I think, was infested by apparently my radiating aura of everyone everyone knows that feeling where you've gone to the cinema with someone else or a group of people and maybe you're the one that's recommended it and you can just tell instantly within seconds that this is no good for them and it does spoil it for you. Yeah. And I'm really sorry because I didn't say I didn't make any noise. I didn't make I didn't do any of that. Just body language stuff. No, not even body language. You couldn't even see me. It was in the dark. I never light on me. You couldn't see anything that I was doing. You didn't know that I put my headphones on at one point because I found the sound really difficult. And when I said at the end of it, was it just me or was that really loud? The person I know who said, What love you said, No, it's just you. There's something wrong with you. And maybe there is something wrong with me . Maybe maybe there is, but I hated it Okay, here's here's your choice, Mark . This afternoon, you have to watch it again or Tom and Jerry the Forbidden Compass. Well, it's shorter . So you shorter you're up this . Yes, over Tom and Jerry the Forbidden Compass, because it's shorter. But there was a friend of mine, another friend of mine, a critic who wasn't at that screening, and I saw her at the next screening for Master of the Universe. And I said, Where were you? And she said, I had to have root canal done. And I went, believe me, you got off lightly . Okay let's check in with an email here, correspondents of Codemo. com Andy in Glasgow on the subject of one's response to a film changing after becoming apparent, which we've been talking about for a couple of weeks . The most vivid for me was before sunset. When I first saw it, I was not a father and thought the ending when Jesse decides to miss his plane and stay in Paris was romantic, bold and in, fact qu ite perfect. Right. Rewatching a few years later, when I'd become a father, I couldn't support the decision as Jesse was choosing to abandon his young son in America. He still loved the trilogy, but can't help viewing Jesse in a far less favorable light than I once did. Well, I mean that's true. As you get older, your perception does change and I think Andy you're speaking for a lot of people. And he says take me tongue down with pretty much everything at the minute. And the classic example of that is Steven Spielberg saying that when he made close encounters, he thought the idea of Richard Dreyfus getting on the ship at the end was perfectly fine. And then he had kids and he said if he had the if he if he had the opportunity which he didn't, he would go back and change the ending because the fact that Richard Drift gets on the ship abandoning his family meant something completely different to him once he had kids. Fascinating. Okay , let's do one frame back. Yes . Mark reviewed Savage House in Take One. Richard E. Grant was our special guest. I'm imagining that you've heard that, but maybe you come to Take two first. But anyway, if you want to know more about Savage House, check out Mark's review and the interview with Richard E. Grant on Take One. So we're asking for your favorite eccentric aristocrats in film , of which of course there are like . Just a random sample. Andrew Jacobs, although Rosamund Pike in Saltburn is a brilliant shout, it has to be Uncle Monty . Leo Crusher says Lord Somerile, which is Oh that's good to man Christopher Lee. Johnny Drake says Peter O'Toole as Jack the fourteenth Earl of Gurney in the ruling class Graham Hall suggest says with quotes like come on lads, let's get home. The sky's beginning to bruise. Night must fall and we shall be forced. It's forced to camp It has to be Uncle Monty and RJQ sixty six, there is only one answer, which is Uncle Monty. That's Rupert Infarn. He signs it traditionally in the end gateway to the West. Very good. So I'm imagining what with our Richard E. Grant group going on, you're going to go with that . Absolutely. I mean, Uncle Monty is just one of the great screen creations and flowers are prostitutes for the bees . Yeah, absolutely. Uncle Monty is a very, very good call . Okay, also out this week, another one of those reissues to mark a depressing anniversary? Yeah, it is the fifteenth anniversary of Bridesmaids and I know all of these are just coming round and round and round, but there is something genuinely terrifying about these films I still think of as fairly recent being fifteen years old, so Bridesmaid's twenty eleven, co written by and co starring Kristin Wigg, who is one of the, well, she's a voice in Masters of the Universe. Film was co produced by Jappa And it was widely regarded at the time of its release to have changed the gender face of popular comedies because the script was co written with Annie Mumlow after Knocked up had happened and knocked up had done very well and then bridesmaids came out and outsold knocked up and it became at that point Judd Appetow Production's highest grossing movie . And the poster at the time when it was first released included the quote, this was from a pull quote out of a review , chick flicks don't have to suck. Bridesmaids set the bars for any Rated comedy this year. Now, firstly, there's something really weird about that because there's something odd about having to say that Chickflicks don't have to suck, but this was twenty eleven . Mary Elizabeth Williams of Salon called Bridesmaid The first black president of female driven comedies and quote, a breakthrough for female centered comedy and feminist to boot . So it's really easy now to forget how much when it came out, it became part of this conversation about, hey, you know what? All those sort of slightly gross out often more than slightly gross out male led comedies . Well, here's one that's female led and it's every bit as funny and every bit as successful. Essentially, centre of the story, Kristen Wig and Roseburn find themselves competing for the affection of Maya Rudolph's bride to be , and that is pretty much the setup. Here is a clip, everyone's seen the film. Here is a clip from a scene in which they are both speaking to the bride to be with a microphone and each attempting to outdo how close they are in comparison to the other one. You're so special to me because well, one of the reasons is because I've known you my whole entire life and you've really helped shape who I am. I just want to thank you for carefully selecting me as your maid of honor. I know you had some other choices, but you're like my sister and I love you . Well that concludes the speeches for the night. Thank you. One last thing. It's rare to meet someone who is an adult who you really connect with and that's Yul . And that's it for tonight. Thank you for coming. Really quick. Thanks all for coming. I just wanted to say really quick. Wind is out. Keep smiling , keep shining . No, and you can count on me for sure . That's what friends are for in good times . And bad times are we on your side for more Now, the interesting thing was when it came to choosing a clip, the clip that most obviously presented itself was the food poisoning scene. The food poisoning scene has become notorious and is when people say bridesmaids now who go, oh yeah, the food poisoning scene when they're in the changing room and all that stuff happens. The interesting thing is the food poisoning scene wasn't in the original script . It was added later on to up the gross out factor that was kind of considered later on to be a part of its success and part of the success of the previous Appetau productions. I found remember at the end of the Gross Sat scene, there's a thing with Melissa McCarthy says I'm not even sure which end that came out of, and that then became a sort of meme thing . She incidentally was nominated for Best Supporting Actress Kristin Wiggin Annie Mumlo were nominated for best original screenplay. There was an Rated film in America over here it was fifteen for very strong language, strong sex references and crude humor. Now that crude humor thing I, always thought that that scene, which as I said, now has become one of the most celebrated scenes in the film felt out of place . And you can find many interviews now in which Kristin Weig talks about the fact that she was nervous that Paul Fit is he Fig or Fi? I always get this wrong fee fig fig and Juda u were quote going to turn it into a guy's version of a woman's movie by doing that scene. And Paul Feig said , We wanted a big physical, water cooler scene set piece, as they call it in comedy that could be super funny and active and really get some attention. But also none of us wanted to do a scene which was just going to be Mayheem for Mayhem's sake. I think that's what that scene is , and I think it's the weakest moment in the film because the stuff that works the best are the frenemy moments. The stuff that works the best is like that clip which we just heard in which they're trying to upstage each other, the observational comedy moments that really , I think, channel the spirit of Nora Efron. I mean there is one brilliant scene when a character wakes up and then discreetly puts on makeup and then pretends to go back to sleep and then pretends to wake up again , which is very, very much in the same emotional zone as that scene from when Harry met Sally, in which he says, you know, how long do you need to be held for afterwards? And there's this discussion about what men and women are like. I think the film is really well directed. I think it's really well written, and I think it's brilliantly played by a great ensemble cast. And I do think it's genuinely funny and moving , but it's weird that it's most famous scene, and this is a bit shawshank redemption for me, I think is the one thing that strikes a no pun intended a bum note, because I think that big set piece is the one point at which it's trying to be something that it doesn't need to be. It's interesting with these big entertainment movies and we've discussed this before, how comedies and entertainment can date very, very, very quickly. Yes. And then you cringe at some of the, I mean, for example, I mentioned watching Greece again last summer . And you can go along with it. You think, yep, yep, yep, this is fine. Nope, that scene's not good. No, that scene's not good. No, that's not funny. So it sounds as though even though this is fifteen years ago , that wasn't that wasn't a problem. There weren't any moments where you thought no . I think no, I think it's genuinely it's a genuinely well written observational comedy that has got just got a centerpiece in it that's just a slapstick centerpiece that I don't think you need . I mean, I think that scene peaks when they first realize that they're becoming ill . That's the funny bit. The whole thing afterwards, I just think , but then as I said, I've got Tin Ear for comedy. So hey, what do I know? It's still funny. I'm not sure if this is a new feature. Okay, but I have here spam of the week. Not spam as in spam, spam, spam, spam spam spam. But do you know that's why spam is called spam . Spam emails are called spam emails because of the Monty Python Spam song. Spam did I know that spam with everything. That's where it comes from. Okay , well spiced ham of the week . I'll just everyone gets weird stuff. Yeah . But thanks to Victoria for sending us this, we published a report on lactobacillus acidophilius probiotics for you and competitors. If you have further interest in this report or related reports, we'd be happy to share the sample report for your reference. The following manufacturers are covered DuPont, Laesman,n DSM, Ch ina Biotics, there's a big long list . Hehe biotechnology and Cytop best regards Midfrondlicken Grusen , Victoria. So anyway, thanks to Victoria. That's our spamathon of the week . I'm not quite sure. I mean, I could look up lactobacilius and acid affilius. They sound like characters from the new Christopher Nolan movie, but they 're probiotics and that's the very latest that we can bring you. So five question film club. Three questions, your Majesty . Last week, Mark introduced the King of Comedy, which is available to watch on Tubi and we've got this from Jack Meek Long Time Listen, a very occasional successful emailer to your show . Yeah Following last week's discussion of the King of Comedy . I thought I'd offer my Tuppence Worth. I first saw the film as a teenager when Scorsese was mostly the man who missed out on Oscars and it was Jerry Lewis that drew me in. Having grown up on his partnership with Dean Martin, I picked up a cheap DVD despite my dad warning me that it wasn't really a comedy. Naturally, I ignored him. And he was right, but also wrong. It wasn't a comedy but something far more compelling. A fever dream character study that somehow creates pathos for a deeply unsympathetic protagonist. Even then I found Jerry Langford fascinating, hoping he wasn't too close to Lewis's real persona. Years later after moving to London, I revis ited it at the Prince Charles Cinema. It more than helped and it more than held up and I was delighted on finding your podcast that Dr. Kermod shared my admiration. I'm long overdue another rewatch, especially after watching Mr. Scorsese where he seems oddly detached from what might be one of his finest films that's big the name of the documentary. Yeah. Tinky Tonk and don't forget the Christopher says Jack Mick, of course that's very good. We must remember that Quint Tonityk and don't forget the Christopher's. That's the one. Anyway, so that 's a very interesting perspective. So yes, a reminder you can watch all our intros to every five question film club on our Patreon page. This week's choices . Are we going with Sherade or Shirad? Sherad, I think? Yes. Shirad, nineteen sixty three, that's on film four, The Goonies on ITVX with the intermedible commercials , all for that guy, the Scottish guy and the diarrhea. I mean from nineteen eighty five and Vagabond from nineteen eighty six Kurzan channel on Prime Video So Christian Kerneman says I saw Sherrad for the first time a year or two ago. Loved it. That would be a fun choice. Mark Clement Jones Goon is for me. Sherrad is great too. Presume Mark may decide to invoke his right with Vagabond , which I have to say I've never heard of, though it looks like it would have been right up my street at the Tyneside in nineteen eighty six. Yeah. And John says, haven't seen the other two but Goonies is the quintessential kids adventure movie from my childhood. It has Spielberg's fingerprints all over it and pushes all the right emotional buttons, timeless entertainment. So Charad thirty nine percent, the Goonies got fifty one per cent, and Vagabond got ten percent . Yeah, Mark, are you going to stick or twist? Do you choose to follow the people or not? I do, but I'm going to put a proviso in here because obviously I did actually want to do Vagabond, but it was so the numbers in terms of the Goonies were just it was fifty one percent. So it's the popular vote. That's an overall majority. The presidential election in France was fifty one percent. Precisely, precisely. So what I'm going to say is this, I am going to do the Goonies, but I have to say at the beginning that I'm not a Goonies fan . However , when I said this , the Great Redactor sent a series of photographs over of him and the family lamb visiting Goonies spots, places of relevance to the Goonies and saying how great the Goonies is and how great it is in terms of their family folklore. So I said, Okay , here's a here's a good , you know , compromise . Let's do the Goonies and I'll answer the five questions, but you also provide answers for the five questions that will provide an antidote to my grumpier version of the Goonies. So this is how we're going to do this. So it will end up being five questions ten answers, okay on the Goonies. You do the setup first . Okay, so the Goonies is an adventure led by a group of memorable misfit kids who search for hidden pirate treasure captures the excitement and imagination of childhood. Include star making early performances from a sixteen year old Josh Brolin , a fourteen year old Kihui Kwan and a thirteen year old Corey Feldman, packed with iconic characters, quotable moments, fun set pieces and eightist nostalgia the film is beloved across generations . Ready for the five questions? I am three, Your Majesty. Question number one , what is the film ? So you do your thing and then I do your thing and then you do the redaction. I am the voice of the redactor. Exactly . What is the film actually about? Well, I think the tagline says what it's about and the tagline for the film is this the pirate's map, the villainous crooks, the underground cabins, the booby traps, the skeletons, the monster, the lost treasure, the secret caves, the old lighthouse, the lost map, the treacherous traps, and sloth take the oath, join the adventure. I think it is tagging because it's not actually about anything . It's about that. That's what it said on the poster and I think that is the description of the film . However , the Redactor feels differently and says it's about friendship, loyalty, and the belief that adventure is still possible when the world feels like it's closing in on you. So question number two, what made it groundbreaking? Well, I would say it's just a sheer lineup of talent. I mean, it's written by Chris Columbus, who go on to do the Harry Potter movies from a story by Steven Spielberg. It's produced by Amblin. It's directed by Richard Donner, you know, Omen Superman lethal weapon, with a cast that includes, as you said, Shranas, Josh Broling, Corey Fem Fanel, Martha Plimpton, Keeway Kwan, Robert Darvey, and Ramsay , I think that that's what made it groundbreaking is just the roll call . The Redactor says it helped define the modern kids on an adventure movie. Fast, chaotic, funny, slightly an archic. It trusted young characters to carry a full scale action story and did it with a level of production design and physical world building that felt properly cinematic. No goonies , then no super eight. Stranger things, it no home alone directed by the Goonies screenwriter Chris Columbus and owes a big debt to it. It's a perfect time capsule of the era. BMX bikes, video arcades, Gremlins, references, Cindy La uper on the soundtrack, Donner slipping in references to his own film Superman, anyone who doesn't like the combo of Steven Spielberg story, Chris Columbus screenplay, and Richard Donner director needs to have a word with themselves . Question number three, what should we pay attention to? Well , I would say the score, and I say this because when we were doing the Scarla Show for five years, the thing about the score which is the Diday Brg sconore is that it was unavailable in its original form for twenty five years and therefore became one of those sort of collectible items . And there's a lot of steiner in there and but we played some tracks from it so I think the score is the thing to pay attention to because I honestly remember so little about the rest of the film but I have in the fairly recent past had encounters with the score, which is good . Alternatively, what should we pay attention to? The ensemble dynamic. Everyone talks over each other, interrupts, panics, jokes, it's noisy and messy in a way that feels completely authentic. Also, the practical effects and sets, everything feels tactile, real, and a little bit dangerous. Not all of it has aged well like any film from the eighties, but anyone criticizing the portrayal of Slow's physical difference from twenty twenty six might want to reflect on him as a gentle , heroic and emotionally intelligent character in direct contrast to many films of the time which used physical difference as shorthand for evil. Also, you can argue that Chunk is the emotional heart of the film showing kindness, loyalty and vulnerability. And yes, the female characters have less agency in parts of the story, but find me a film of this type from forty one years ago where that isn't the case. Utter woke nonsense Well, he's certainly making it he's certainly making a strong case for it. I think he is. Question number three, what scene explains the film's power? Well, there's an interesting collision of things here. Okay. I think that the film basically if the Goonies is responsible for anything, it's really prefiguring that kind of the pirates of the Caribbean fairground ride formula that is now really ubiquitous. And the best example of that in the film is the scene when they're in the water slide, when they're all literally racing down the water slide and it's like because the series because the film is basically the equivalent of a series of fairground rides, that water slide bit is the most qu intessential bit of it . Plus it ends with the kids, you know, they come out of the floomy thing and boo and then finally see the sh ip and it does that very Spielberg thing, which is always a good trick, which is if you want people to be impressed by something, you show them on screen , show them the faces of people being impressed by it before you show it . So it literally does that and it is very Spielbergian , you know, I mean it's all the way through Jurassic Park and everything else. If you want somebody if you want something to look awesome , show a face of a person quite often a child going before you show it. Speaking of which Disclosure Day discussion next week Emily Blunt and Coleman Domingo will be on the show excellent. What scene explains the film's power ? The reveal of one eyed Willie's pirate ship which comes after the bloom exactly and was one hundred and five feet long. After all the chaos and claustrophobic tunnels, the film suddenly opens up into something huge and magical. It delivers on the promise of adventure in a way that still feels genuinely awe inspiring. As any full know, director Richard Donner didn't let the child actors see the ship that scene so the audience could see their genuine reaction. Which is a strange crossover of it's funny that we both centered in on that moment but from different sides of it. So it just goes to show . Finally, question number three, why does this film still matter? I think it matters because it's a bellweather of changing responses. So when it came out in the mid eighties, it was a moderate hit, you know, it costs like twenty and it took sixty five or something . But the reviews at very best sort of begrudgingly lukewarm vari,ety called it a dangerous Disneyland sort of a film stamped with the Steven Spielberg style of high fun, like other Spielberg summer extravagans as it's a roller coaster ride best enjoyed as it's speeding along, but once it stops to consider the sacred state of adolescence, it becomes painfully syrupy . And Jean Siskell called it a funny juvenile wind up toy about kids in perilous comic book situations. Now , that is that's the very definition of dismissive reviews. Yeah, it's all right, you know, when it's rumping along, but it can't do anything beyond that. Now, of course, fast forward to the next century, twenty seventeen, it's inducted into the Library of Congress National Film Registry as being, quote, culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant, not least because as the redactor was saying in his answers , it laidem a tplate that has now become completely ingrained within popular culture. So I think what makes it relevant today is how I mean, I remember really clearly having this discussion. I remember really, really clearly having this discussion with either Nigel Floyd or Kim Newman or perhaps both , in which one of us, and I can't remember which one of us it was said , Sorry, when did the Goonies become good ? Well, alternatively, what does this film? Why does this film still matter? It celebrates outsiders. Every character feels like they don't quite belong anywhere else, but together they form something unbreakable. The idea that your differences are what make your group strong still resonates, especially for younger audiences discovering it for the first time . So there you go. An alternative appreciation of the cases to balance door dark world of the critic. And what it demonstrates is that opposing opinions can both be held and in the end the democratic decision went for the Goonies and that's absolutely fine. And we'll recruit next week to see what you thought of it and check our Patreon page for next week's poll on our next film choice. Okay Yes. Is that good? Yes. Are you happy with that? I'm happy with that. Very good. Okay, which now we're getting into questions questions . Sometimes you don't even bother to leave a question, but anyway, we're just gonna jump into it and play the music Questions Messians. Now this first one I need to know who it's from. Maybe our top production team could find out who this first thing is from because it is an interesting set of facts which I'll probably pass on to Child three, what with him doing a fact based entertainment show for the BBC and he loves he loves these. So this opening email says Apologies for the torrent of Amaz Amazeme's facts that are now due to come your way. Can you beat this amazing fact for sheer forehead slapping, incredibleness. Okay, go ahead . Thank you. It's from Jerry in Exeter. Right . Jerry, thank you. It's about sharks. Okay , sharks are older than colon . They are older than trees . Sharks appeared on Earth forty to fifty million years before the first trees. Sharks are older than dinosaurs. Sharks roamed ancient oceans millions of years before dinosaurs ever walked the Earth. Wow. Sharks are older than the Atlantic Ocean. The modern Atlantic Ocean did not form until about one hundred eighty million years ago when Panga broke up. That's the wow continent . Sharks are older than Saturn's rings. Saturn's rings are only roughly a hundred million years old. Sharks are older than the North Star as in Polaris , the star system is estimated to be around seventy million years old. Wow . Also, sharks are older than flowers. Flowering plants evolved between one hundred fifty and and two hundred fifty six million years ago. So that is that is amaze, amaze, amaze. It is. Thank you, Jerry Next. It's not a question. Not a question or Esmestion. No , but it warranted being included. That's Magmagnificent. Thank you. Sharks are older than plants , but also Saturn's ring and the North Star, which I 've been there forever . Yeah anyway, wow . Graham Hall in New York Yeah, no, no, James doctor James Brocklesby. Okay. A question on BBFC ratings. Yes. You, PG and eighteen m senseakes to me, considering eighteen is the age we legally become adults , and the other two concerning young children. But why are twelve A and fifteen the intermediate ages? I cannot see barring going into secondary school , why they are seen as appropriate to watch certain media. Do you also think that all age categories will change in the future? I mean, the evolution of the age categories is a complex one. X used to be sixteen, actually it wasn't X. When it was no, that's right. When it first became X, X was sixteen, and then X became eighteen . I think that the twelve and fifteen thing kind of works. The BBFC themselves have said that the twelfth certificate became a problem when it became twelve A because they would they would honestly, I think, rather that it was twelve rather than twelve A because there is something about going from primary school into secondary school. You are different, I think. Obviously all right, all age cutoff points are they're vague, but you have to make them. You can't say twelve ish , fifteen ish . It used to be that it was you and A anyone could see, but if it was an A certificate film you had to loiter around in the cinema until some weird looking bloke offered to take you in, which was considered to be safe . Then double A certificate, which was fourteen and over , and then X, which originally was sixteen and then became eighteen . It's not perfect, but it is a damn sight better than the American system , which is the R rated film everyone can see as long as the parent takes them in, which is just insane . Yeah . Dr. James Brocklesbury has a PS Earlier you said you were sixty three you're sixty two . And he says PS Mark's uncertainty on his age reminds me of how Koreans used to age themselves. Everyone is born one to account for time in the womb and then move up a year on january first. So many people in East Asia are a year older than people born at the same time in the rest of the world. The Korean government did stop this a few years ago, but maybe Mark is Korean, and that's why he adds the extra year, all the best and thanks for the company. So Mark, I think you're probably Korean, and that's why you've added one as opposed to so your sixty three that explains a lot . Thank you. I'm glad to know that. Okay, so if anyone queries it, you just say it's what they do in Korea . Yeah , exactly. Newcastle upon Tyne is where Graham Hall lives. Dear Mark , with Mark's endeavors to find missing footage from films such as The Exorcist and the Devils. What other films out there are still needing footage to be discovered and remastered and reinstated. Personally, I'm still holding out for the lost footage from Paul W. S. Anderson's sci fi horror event horizon. Yeah. Love the show, Steve, down with the usual and up with the usual. This is definitely your territory, but in the prep for so Steven Spielberg was going to be coming over doing UK press. He's not now, but as I mentioned, we are doing Emily Blunt and Colm Danoming o for the news very fine guests. Very fine guests indeed. And in nineteen sixty four, Spielberg did a film called Firelight. It was his first film . It cost five hundred dollars , three percent of it has remained. The rest of it has disappeared. Wow . So there is ninety seven percent of a Spielberg film, his debut in nineteen sixty four , which is knocking around some. Or maybe it has just literally been destroyed. I mean, I don't think anything if you erase something from your computer is not actually erased. It's all living there somewhere. So presumably if we're looking for lost footage, these will be inevitably movies from many decad es ago, will they? Yeah, I mean there's a huge amount of silent cinema that is lost. There's a huge amount of movies, I mean many more than you would think in which we know that a movie exists because we have records of its production, but we don't actually have the film itself. What at all? It just at all. There is there is a, I mean, that's a it's your surprise is good because people are always surprised when you hear this. There is a huge amount of film from the early days and predominantly from the silent era in which we have simply lost the whole film . Maybe we have a fragment, maybe we have a production still, maybe we have a script, but the whole film is gone. So this is a vast ongoing thing. I remember I was once interviewing Michael Deeley and Michael Deeley was the producer of a number of films ing Wickerman, Blade Runner Italian job . And he was responding to the story that Christopher Lee told that after the Wicker Man was recut by a thing boy Perkins in order to get it down to a length at which it could be released as a B feature rather than an A feature , that the footage that had been taken out had been deliberately destroyed . And there was this whole thing about, well, why would you deliberately destroy anything? And then there was all the story that it ended up in a skip, and then it ended up under the tarmac on a road and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And then they ended up doing the reconstruction because Roger Coleman got sent a sixteen mill print of the original cut and it was Corman who suggested to British Lion , look, you should re edit this film and cut it down to eighty, whatever it is minutes and they did. And Michael Deeley said, look, nobody destroyed the footage. We can't find the footage , but then he said, But I was in a film archive the other week and I came across a canister of fil m from a silent film that nobody thought existed anymore . And when you look at the vast amounts of storage and places that things could be, and I don't just mean at Kodak or at the film banks or where , there are every stuff gets turned up. And just in the last few years , there was a chemist shop like last few years, probably the last few decades. There was a chemist shop that got closed down and they found reels of film that had been shot turn of the century some of the very first reels of film ever shot . So it's stuff doesn't get deliberately destroyed generally. It gets lost . And so how much stuff is there out there that's lost? Well, all we know is that there is a massive amount of missing footage in general in terms of film history. And I would say the most fertile area of search is silent film. I did have a little wonder around this. Apparently there are some scenes from Easy Rider that are missing good the good, the bad and the ugly, and also bed knobs and broomsticks, which is bed knobs and broomsticks got re done . There is a DVD of the reconstruction of bed knobs and broomsticks . So I don't know if there's still stuff missing from that . Certainly there is, I mean , I remember because the DVD that we had of it was a long version. And it ended up with they did a very clever thing. There is a moment in bed knobs and broomsticks in which all the in the drama, all the bits of the puzzle get put together and one of the characters says to see it all together like this, it's wonderful. And they use that at the end of the film to as a comment on the reconstruction. Here is a crack . So thanks very much for the question . Graham, I appreciate that. I'm sure that's an ongoing conversation. Carl Webster has come up with a great question. I don't think we don't think we've ever gone here. Okay . My housemate and fellow ch urch member it's a Japanese name and one I've never mastered so you're on your own Ryoku is what it looks like to me just said to me I've never seen a film a real life film, not an animation in which someone is embarrassed, actually physically embarrassed where their face turns red. I've been waiting decades to see it happens . Is Ryuku right . So obviously in movies, crying happens all the time. You can engineer, if you're a great actor, well, maybe if not if you can act, you can turn on the tears . But can you trigger blushing? Can anyone do that? It's like, can you trigger sweating? It's what it's an involuntary bodily response, isn't it? Okay, the thing that leaps immediately to mind yes is think that I have seen Philip Seymour Hoffman blush on screen. Now I may be imagining it but I think that there is a film in which Philip Seymour Hoffman does embarrassed so well that he actually appears to blush . And I'm imagining that it's a Paul Thomas Anderson film, so it's maybe something like Magnolia and maybe you would you would imagine one of the reasons that you don't see that is not only is it beyond the realm of most people. I mean, Philip Simon Hoffman would be an act who if anyone could do it, then he it would be him . But makeup and repeated takes would mean it's almost impossible, it's almost impossible to register. How do you how do you go red through all the makeup and you know let's do take seventeen. You can't keep doing it, can you? Anyway, yeah. Well, look, I think you're right. I don't know. If anyone's listening to this and they have this have a memory of Philip Seymour Hoffman blushing on screen . And I may be wrong, but if anyone else can, I mean, it's a really good question. It is a really good question because you're right. You can't make yourself sweat, can you? Well, you can film in a hot surrounding and you'll sweat and that's fine. But blushing is a slightly different thing, isn't it? Yeah, but I mean sure if they turn up the heat, but yeah you can't just you can't involuntarily and without external force sweat. So if anyone has a reply to Ryuku, then Carl, thank you very much indeed for that question. One more. Erin in California . Mark and Simon, I saw and thoroughly enjoyed backrooms this past wee kend and I wonder if YouTuber movie in quotes is no longer pejorative . In the early two thousand ten s when studios tried to capitalise on the popularity of YouTubers , like with Fred the movie, one of your fav ourites . The words YouTuber and movie together evoked scoffs and sneers , but the audience in my theater cheered as the houselights dimmed with the enthusiasm you would expect for avengers or Star Wars. Now with films like Backrooms, Obsession and Shelby Oaks, studios seem less attempting to capitalise on a YouTube channel name and more willing to let young filmmakers just make a movie. Although these movies vary in quality, they are at least made by an otter with a vision. I'm curious about your thoughts if the phrase YouTube a movie will be redefined or entirely disappear. The bars to entry for aspiring filmmakers feel like they have never been lower. And in the age of streaming and short film videos, many future filmmakers will likely develop their skills on platforms like YouTube and TikTok. Yeah. And I say, I don't think YouTuber will ever be synonym ous with filmmaker, but I think YouTube a movie will no longer be something that makes you grimace. Well, I think the comparison from my generation is I remember writing a piece for detail magazine back in the probably early nineteen nineties. And it was a piece about people who had come into filmmaking firstly through advertising , so the Ridley Scott generation, and then through pop videos . So at that point, it was people like Richard Stanley and then later Michelle Gondry and Spike Jones. And the argument that was made was this, firstly, when people came into filmmaking through advertising, people said, Oh, advertising directors, you know, Adrian Light, they all they just all look glossy and just basically it's adverts with feature things. Then when pop videos came in, the argument was advertising directors know how to tell a story because an advert has to tell a story in thirty seconds it has to do, here's the product, here's the reason you like it and here's the pack shot. Pop videos don't have a narrative in the same way and therefore the films made by Russell Morcahi are incoherent because they're made by a pop video director . And then now nobody thinks that there is any barrier to come into filmmaking from advertising or from television, which again was another thing, television director to come in through pop videos. And I suspect that in the same way as that entire generation of first advertised advertising directors and then pop video directors and now YouTube directors, it won't be a thing. It will just be that's your film school. That's where you learn ed the grammar of film. And in the case of, for example, backrooms , not only does the guy understand the world he's created because he spent many years doing it, he understands how to put a film together. I'm very good friends with Jack Howard, who is an up and coming filmmaker, who's made a terrific short second time around, and he was a YouTuber. He is not a YouTuber now, but he learnt his craft making videos on YouTube . It's like anything else, it's the current gateway and we've all got to get over the snobbery of it. And I'm sure that I have been guilty of that snobbery in the past. But you look at the work that's being done now by people who learnt their trade, making stuff for YouTube , it's just filmmaking school Listening to you say that reminded me of various debates that would happen. I don't think they happen quite as often between people who believe in homeopathy and people who don't. And there would always be a medic who we'd have in these debates. Presumably this is on five live in places like that, who would say something like if it makes you better, if you take something, if you're ill, you take something, makes you better. It's called medicine . That's that's what it is . So you can judge this by the result. If you go to the cinema and you see a film which you've enjoyed, it's just a film that you've enjoyed. You know, you know, pro thecess is neither here nor there. No, I agree. I absolutely agree with that. Well, there you go. So is that sorted? Have we sorted out the world? We have sort of sorted we've righted the wrongs of the world . Imagine if you're looking because we've been asked about before, what have you lost? And I talked about the Rembrandt. Imagine if somewhere in your house you found the ninety seven percent of Steven Steven Spielberg Firelight movie from nineteen sixty four. Imagine what Steven would do together . Anyway, if you have a question for us, it's correspondence at Codeno dot com. Thank you for listening. There'll be another take along with you, you know, in a couple of days.

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