Final thoughts and show wrap up

Well, here we are in the same place, but I'm on. I can never remember why are we here together? Well we're here together because I'm going to Belfast tomorrow Yes. And so I'm here this morning, which is Tuesday because the screening which is on I've already seen. And I said, Well, look, since we're going to be in the same you know, we had this why don't we just why don't we get together in that there Thebles Rad studio and fight with the internet and they. So what's happening? Take two, I'm recording from a hotel. So today we're together recording Take one in the same place. and then tomorrow I'll be coming to you live from Heathow Airport. I'm going to Belfast in October for a career retrospective. Howand that? Of who? M What? they've invited me What? Yeah, how about that? forty years of broadcasting. Who very important people whichich very important people, some people down a pub No, it it's a proper interview and tickets and all that kind of jazz. Sorry I don't know all the details just here. J I don't want all the details. I want some of the details. in in October, I can't remember importantpant people. No, the university, I think Queen Right, so the Queen just teasing it this is I think this is called a soft launch. Okay. So Queens Belfast have invited you. I don't want to be specific. I have been invited an academic institution Y has invited you to go to Belfast to be interviewed. to be interviewed to talk about forty years forty glorious years I'm just amazed anyone noticed, but they did, so I'm grateful. Did you notice? Yes, of course. Yeah. Well you knew that this was the fortieth anniversary of your was being on National Readady ex I joinedadady one in eighty six. so I'd say forty years of national radio Thirty years of hurt Juleles rem made and still dreaming. I know for you. I didn't know what Jeweles rememay was. I always thought it was Jewuls we madeade and I thought, what that doesn't even make any sense. You know, I don't know. You were listening to a football song Well, it was on the radio all the time. S. It was. You know, and it's probably on quite a lot. And it was David Badil who I was in a bandw with when I was a kid. I said I in the day. You know what that's about. So forty years for years Yeah, forty years of heard. That's the official title Well this a soft launch I'm not quite sure. And you're going be interviewed? Yeah. I'm going to come over Okay, becauseuse my friends Janice and Paul are in Belfast and our goddless children, so that would be great. Okay? Well, I could probably get you a discount Anyway, more details to come. Yeah, no, gonna we're gonna to do this every single week between now and the fortieth anniversary retrospect. Making a sellout. Yeah I don't even know how long I've been working as a film. Well, I mean, the first film review I ever wrote was in nineteen eighty B sex, maybe Oh, you're going say it's forty years for you too. It's forty years for me to I should come. Yeah, excuse me, I should come Anyway, u I apologize to the organizers for being a feeble in knowing the facts. anyway, if somebody was doing a forty year tribute to me, I would know all their names, all their addresses. I would know exactly. I could look it up but we've only got a limited amount of time Because the heat in this studio is preposterous. My argument is if the air conditioning is on it justound like we're doing an outside broadcast. Can we cliff. Can we show them what it sounds like? Can you turn the air conditioning on so that the listening public can hear. Okay. So basically got you've got two choices. You've got what we've got now, which is swelteringly hot, but quite quiet. It's only been off for five five minutes. This is Gary coming. So this is the air conditioning, all right Okay, well that sound like enoughait and cranked air conditioning There we go. Now I don't think that's a problem myself I mean, listen to that. That's like I tell you, I can add to it I don't think that's going to help I just think we're on a seven hundred forty seven. That is the maddest loud air conditioning ever. Yeah, J just leave it on for a bit. That's for. That's Rite quick. let's go through it. Okay for. what are you doing? So a really mixed week. Toy Story five is the big release of course. We'll be reviewing that Eie, that're set now Welsh language film, either called Eff ob Bline or Eff ob Blina, depending on because I had a conversation with the director and the star and I said, what is the correct pronunciation? because you're saying it differently. they said it's ' we're from different parts of Wales. We'll be getting to that. Could it be called Eia Jeffy? Eia Jeffy? That's right, yes. That's our version. And Virginia Wolf Night and D day with our very, very special guest. Who is Tim Spaul? Fantastic. Tim We're going to be speaking to Tim. and a bonus review intake two. Two bonus reviews, two bonus reviews. We have Nino and lesbian sppace prrincess. So that's all to look forward to int Take two. Is that a comedy or what is that? Take a wild guess A spoof No, well You know, it a satirical animation. Oh okay You can get takeake two with no more of our brilliant ads by heading to our Patreon page We are running a ninety percent off. ninety percent ire somebody Do we have I think we probably do have to with An amount of. anyway, it's a promotion and it's running until the end of the month. Just use the code june ninety. Not june nineteenh. That doesn't work. It's june nineteenth. his ignored sister at the checkout Okay,'s very beuid So before we proceed with Fie and Jeffy, an email from Alex Crockford in Cambridge. Okay Dear Dr. Bunson honeyedew and Beaker. Which one are you? I think I'll be I'm happy to be Beaker. Okay. You have to go Having greatly enjoyed the recent discussions of muppet remakes of classic films, with one human actor retained Being a contrarian, I randomly started playing the mental exercise of turning the game on its head and thinking about remakes that would work well by retaining All of the original cast, still playing it completely straight, but adding one muppet. Okay, very good. I think this is even a I think this is a better game. Three that I thought would work particularly well were number one, a muppet on the Orient Express I preferred the Lume version, but the Brana cast would be easier to reunite. Kermet would play Pro and they could even keep all the bits where the snooty suspects referred to him as that peculiar little frog Well very good.. Also L Miserabla with Sam the Eagle as Javer. Now that's a very good idea. I would definitely Very, very good. And the King of Cedy with Fozzy Bear stepping into Deniro's shoes, what do you think? Well, I mean, I think Fozzy Bear is a very, very good choice for King of Cedy because as we know, that's my favorite of those. I absolutely love that movie. and I it gives me an opportunity to say, Simon Do your fzy be A highigher, higher, higher, Douglas Heard or is it Brill're going gonna to have a drink now. But they M Sam the Eagle as Gire Willow, tit, Willow tit,illow Right, Ean and Jeffy, here we go. Yes. so before we get too hot. Okay, so Eie either a blind eye or a blind eye, okay? Depending. North or south. Yeah. Yes, or I think it's even more specific than that. So this is the new film from Mark Evans. Now Mark Evans' director whose work I love, feature credits include Resurrection Man, which was is this kind of vpiric Northern Irish movie In Vvericom's nasty little horror movie My Little L, which I love, the psychological thriller trauma with a brilliant performance by Colin Furth, which Colin Furth always says he thinks it's one of his best movies agonia, which is this kind of Welsh Agine drama. and then most recently he did the early life Richard Burton thing, Mr. Turner. Yes, for which we interviewed We interviewed Toby We did Toby Jen. Toby Nobi, fine. So I think he's one of the UK's most versatile directors. He's one of my personal favorites. So this new film based Gary Owen, O woman play Iphgen here in Slot, which itself is based very loosely on the Greek myth Ieginia, do you know the Greek myth of Vginia If you remind me of the salient points Agamemnon's daughter becomes the sacrificial deer in order to speed the Greek fleet. So it's a thing about somebody somebody sac being sacrificed for it. and in this play, the whole thing is that this the character says, I think actually in the play addresses the audience s, I took a bullet for you. So The original source was English language modorama played out on a single stage. The film has an ensemble cast moves the action from Cardiff to what Mark Evans says up north where the Welsh language is, he says in the blood, in the slate And it now splays from houses to clubs, to hospitals, to ambulances to wild and windy hills and Morlands. So it expands the canvas of the source, but it still absolutely revolves around a single powerhouse performance. in this case, Lisa Guenen So she plays Eie, Eie of blind eye or blind bllinda which is a hard scrabble Welsh speaking community in Westland which acccording to a BBC report has, quote, the highest proportion of highly deprived neighborhoods in all of Wales So she's a tough kid. She's been through COVID, is now determined to grab life by the horns wants to enjoy herself drinking, partying, getting wasted all to the disaroval of her grandmother She has a best friend, the Anne, and then a kind of drag along sort of on off boyfriend called Kev. Kev clearly loves her, but it's not reciprocal. And she is, again, according to Mark Evans, who I interviewed about the film, she's connected to her phone but essentially isolated One night out She goes to a club and she meets Lee played by Tom Rece Harris, who is this handsome, charismatic guy who doesn't want to dance, but he's happy to talk. I'm going to play you a clip. It's Welh language clip. I know some of our listeners may speak Welsh, but many won't. So here's what you're going to hear He says The way you're staring at me is a bit intense. And she says, Yeahah, it's just that you are the ugliest bloke I've ever seen. And it's incredibly brave of you to come out in public. And he says, thans for that. And she says, lookook, in two minutes, a bloke called Kev is going to come up those stairs and he won't be happy that I'm talking to you And he says, W worried what you'll do to me. She says, No I'm worried what you'll toit him, is a clip The Fteen stereot and I b' been ins. How a goodb ust them I think get why I start to wr a lot the aboutet way its actually te to really d got out to D in Manab in No Kvana with all they happ as well day. How you belie in so twenty min While that clip was playing, Simmon said to me, what did you call Richard Bton fil? I said Mr. Burton you went, you didn't I call it Mr. Turner. which' because it's because we've got Tim Spallul coming up of call later in the show. And of course, that's Mr. Turner. Well, that was a nice safe. Well, done. Yes, the Burton film is surprisingly enough called Mrter Burton And the Turner film, which is about Turner is called Mrter Turner Anyway, so they meet in this club, they leave together. he's got some secrets in his past that she's more than able to deal with. And they have what appears to be a blissful encounter. but then after that He withdraws and the wheels start to come off her life The film is really interesting. It's got one foot in that kind of grand social realist tradition of Ken Loach And you could compare it to things like Kathy comeome homeome or Por Cow. But it's also got this lyrical poetry, which is much more in keeping with the work of Lynn Ramsey or Cla Barnard, who you know I kind of always refer to as I think two of my favorite directors There's stuff about unplanned pregnancy, there's stuff about how overstretched the NHS is, about the rigors of poverty, the horrible first person consequences of. how overstretched the NHS is and hospital overcrowding. all that stuff is real feet on the ground But there is also this kind of dreamy almost hyper realist sensibility, which is often accentuated by the music When Mark Evans did resurrection man, he did one of the greatest needle drops in modern film history when he used Tiger feet by Mud over a scene of kind of really tough violence. And' it's in the same way as kind of know stuck in the middle with human reservoir dogs. It is brilliantly contontrpontal. And I think Mark Evmans has got a fantastic ear for music. In the case of this He worked with Sean Trevor, who composed this electronic score. Apparently what he did was he took a bunch of records and said, theseese are the kind of records I think they'd be listening to. And then his composer said, OK, fine but I can work something around that and comes up with this really, really integral score, which I think really lifts the film As the drama goes on, the music kind of gives way to the sound of the real world, around it to the sound of what you know what Mark Evans would say the sound of the slate of the environment and it's u The whole film is shot by Erwin Jones, who finds, I think both beauty and hardship in the environment But at the center of it, you have this amazing performance by Lisa Guentian who I keep saying Gwen Kleen because it's double andg. Shes tried to me, I said, is it Gwen Lleian? she's going Gen Klean and obviously my Welsh accent is terrible It's funny, it's blls sheet, it's stropy, it's heartbreaking, it's gut wrenching.'s, you know, it's the walks the full length of the counter It's really, really powerful. And some of the drama is really upsetting. I mean, some of it is really profoundly upsetting. Some of it is, you know, edge of your seat, tension, some of it's really funny, some of it's really warm But the thing is that there is so much there's so much life in it that even when it's dealing with really difficult, really dark subject matter, what you get from it is this kind of this defiance, this sense of this character who is absolutely her own person and who refuses to be downtrodden. I mean, you know t tough as Flint or you know, do quite well malt Mark was staying in a tougher slate I think the movie is really powerful. I think it has a central character who is still there, still defiant, still unbowed, despite everything that happens. like said, it is a tough watch. There are things in it that are very, very tough. But I think it's really good and I think her performance is terrific. And I think Mark Evans is onene of our most versatile filmmakers. Okay, still to come after our hydration break. Toy Story five, Virginia W's Night and Day and our special guest is in that film. That'll be Tim Spaul. He was also in Mister Turner, but not mister Burton Okay, box office topop ten this week at ten. Well basically there's only one film that people want to talk about. so okay we'llist for the other ones end the amazingig digital circus The L act. Yeah which I know I said I was going to catch up with it but I haven't yet and I will do. Whenever you say that, I know that No no, but here's why because it's actually not yet on streaming And when we're recording this, it's not yet, but as soon as it comes to streaming, I will watch it, but it hasn't yet happened. The Sheep Detectives is at number nine. The it was terrific. Really enjoyed it, really strange, really odd. And they were o no, no, so they were suggesting replacing Russell Crow with Sam Eagle, weren't they sorry, not as Jea. huge f.'re not a huge fan. Devil Wearars Pradder of two is it number eight? More of the same. Star Wars, the Mandalorian and Gro Gu is it number seven? If you're a fan, you might enjoy some of it, but it is a bunch of TV episodes drung together. Michael's at six, not a fan It's takaking how much I mean, just staggering amounts of money. It is now, I think, I saw a news report that said it is now the most successful rock biopic or music biopic of Ebs Masters of the Universe is at number five. G kind of big you know, big colorful fun, absolute nonsense, but quite enjoyable. Backrooms is at four, which I like very, very much a new wave of young directors changing the face ofop modern popular cinema. Scary movie is at number three. Not the young popular I mean ye more of the same unfortunately. Obsession is at number two. Which I think is terrific. And I love the fact that Obsession is doing as well as it is and is continuing to do that well Because after five weeks, it's the word of mouth that's making people go to see it. So a bunch of emails about the number one movie, which is of course disisclosure day and it's not just number one, it is of course very very number one and number one in America. So we'll just get through some of these And obviously, much like the critical comments Some love it and some don't. Okay F there you go. Yeah. ET. So this is Chris Kim first of all, in Hong Kong ET meets close encounters to the Third kind meets signs, meets Raiders of the Lost At meets, Duel meets war games, meets the Martian, meets network, meets Catch Me if you can, meets Avengers Age of Ultron Farmhouse Sen anyyone meets Roswell documentaries. So Mark is right, we've all been there before many times. Yours devotedly, Chris, Kim. G onongong on work Now this guy's name is Olaf Ringleband and he's in Hamburg. He's got to be a prog ro. me I' instantly got a picture of Olaf Ringleband, PhD psychology D he anyway Did he do some solo work with Johny Dampp? almost certainly I had long clung to the belief that Steven Spielberg simply couldn't make a bad film. Even his lesser works tend to be expertly crafted briskyly entertaining and touched by that old cinematic magic. So imagine my disappointment on watching Disclosure Day, a film so clumsily written and mechanically assembled that it feels less directed than urgently stapled together Structurally, it is essentially a screens saaver of jeopardy. Run away, fight the baddies, run away again, fight the baddies again, repeat until the credits mercifully intervene. There is movement, certainly, but very little momentum, noise, but not much cinema. And then there's a long section about bigig reveal, but we won't be talking about that because with it being the reveal and everything. It's not that big of a reveal. But thanks to Olav Ringle Band, our favourite correspondent of Please send us some early tapes of your progue work Barney says when Steven Spielberg was a guest on the show, inside the actor' studio The host James Lipton asked the director a question about close encounters, which went, Your father was a computer scientist. This is a very famous question and it's on YouTube Your father was a computer scientist, your mother was a musician. Your mother was a hamster and your father'sother of Elder qu. When the spaceship lands, how do they communicate? They make music on their computers and are able to communicate with each other This dissection of Spielberg's storytelling remains as true as ever, as after nearly fifty years on from close encounters, it appears, he hasn't moved on from these themes as Disclosure Day treads extremely similar ground Your enjoyment of the film also depends on how high your tolerance is for this or shuck's optimism. It's an admirable outlook in the times we live in, but could have been dialed down a considerable amount At times, I'm reminded of whenever Peter Pan is performed on stage and the audience is told to repeat, I do believe in fairies. As a lifelong fan, I've managed to watch every single one of his movies and as much as it pains me to say it, this might be the most disappointing. Move over always, there's a new kid in town at the bottom, says Barney Okay, there's these all been quite negative so far In Leicester I was worried that the viewing time would be too much for my nine year old son, but I need not have feared. From the opening sequence, he was hooked. In the final third I had to give him my hand to squeeze as he was engaged in some very non code compliant rocking in his seat in a bid to contain his excitement. As the final credits rolled, he burst into tears as he was so desperate to know What they were going to say? Getting his review in the car, he said, It's the best film I have ever seen. The highlight for me was watching my son have his first cinematic Spielberg experience and seeing his awestruck expression throughout. Any film that shows a nine year old or anyone for that matter, that kindness and compassion, the way forward, is surely doing something right Take the Tonk down with attacking others for being different. Very good. He says I I have to say I loved the film. It had a profound effect on me emotionally, one that I wasn't expecting. Is it the best film ever made? No, The performances are solid, but CGI animals are shonky and I don't think that's on purpose, but I thought the film's message about the need for empathy was so simple and yet so well delivered U Serge Zinder. says a longt time listener, first time contactor.. Thank you for the wonderful review of Steven Spielberg's Disclosure D day, which was of course on last week's show, along with a conversation with Emily Blunt and Coman Domingo Having seen the film, Having been nerked by its faults and having wept at the end, I felt very much at home in one of the longest reviews you've done. A bit like Spielberg's film, your thoughts on Disclosure days show that there can be things that are objectively wrong and need to be pointed out. But as is so often the case in movies and in life, there is also an emotional truth That has to be acknowledged and which may supersede any intellectual qualms. In short, two things can be true at the same time. It was therefore a great pleasure toar Mark express his gratitude for working with Simon after all these years. If Spielberg's film with all its faults inspires moments like this in the real world, that's quite something. Therefore, up with empathy and down with cruelty and all the best to both of you from Serge So he's a good lad, isn't he before Mark comments there's more on this in overflow car park too overflow car park which is in subscribe on page. Overflow C carp park to the love bug Yeah, if there's a little of car park too, we're going to have to put that in takeake three Let just say, I have often expressed my admiration for working with you. Yes. I do it a lot more than you do about me That isn't true It's definitely not. But anyway just so I love the fact that you take your nine year old. Yeah, No, and that's brilliant Who goes Back catalogue, what back catalog? Yeah ye. A Spielberg film, first one he's seen abbsolutely blows him away. And as the later emails said Perfect, No, it isn't. I mean, everyone knows what we think it is. Yeah, but you know lots of things wrong with it. however. My favourite line in that in the pen uulttimate email was the thing about rocking backwards and forwards on his chair because he was so excited about what they were going to say next And that's the kind of thing. like if you wrote that in a book, if you wrote somebody you go, that's exactly it. It's the kind of observation That's exactly what you do. You're so excited about what they're going to say next. You literally can't sit still in your chair. It's a physical manifestation excitement without being able to verbalize it because you can'tess you're in a cinema. So rocking backwards and forwards whilst obviously against the code and might be annoying is perfectly understand. I actually think that it's. I think it's completely forgivable because you're not talking, You're not doing anything out ld, but you're just you're so excited. It's like we were saying like if you're in a movie that's really funny or in a movie that's really scary, is it code violation to laugh or No,f course it isn't genuine involve. I love that image. I love that image of a nine year old being so excited by what they're going to say next Correspondence to Kamoe d. com when you' seen it let us know coming up after our latest hydration break, it's going to be Tim's Paul So I guess this week is Tim Spul, which is a very lovely thing, which we recorded tomorrow No So excuse the wrinkle in the show's space timee continuum. So just to explain the timy whymy thing, you're going to hear the interview now, but we won't have heard it until we do it tomorrow. Right. Yes. Chris Nelan would love this. He would absolutely love it. I think he's directing it So what is there to say about Tim? Our feit is in pet, L is sweet, seecrets are nice, Topsy Turvy all or nothing King speech, Damned United, Sweeney Todd enchanted the last Samurai. Banding, Summer of Rockets, S commommandment and so on. Okaykay. here do you say, Mrter Turner? you'd mentioned it a couple of times.entr. Bt well. Mr. Burton and Mr. Tanner. Okay, so we're going to talk with Tim. He's in a new movie called Night and Day And you'll hear from him after this I want to apply to Cambridge Thats solely the out of the question you're marryed and you'll be wife. It ridiculous. I have other plans What are you doing up here We'm not trusting strangers on rooftops. A woman who knows what she wants. I need He lab. That's easy. Thdyir. Nobody wants to war inside. Stop wasting our time I'' stuck in the last century, you knows. Just giving me a chance. And that's a clip from Virginia Wolf's Night and Day, Tims Ball. Welcome to the show Hello How's you bosouse? Well we're doing fine. You look as though you're in the back of a camper van or something No, a boat. All right, okay, I'm on that boat Are you heading anywhere exotic? Well, I'm going nowhere at the moment, I'm up on a river bank in in a river not too far from you. Is that the same boat that you did at a TV show? It is. yeah, same thing. Yeah. Yeah. ye, it's not just for it's for tleasure as well. So Virginia Wol S Nighting day, that is the full, that's the proper title of this new movie. stars Hailey Bennett and as the main star. Y're Mr. Hilbury, your Hay Bennet's father just introdued us to your character and introduce us to the storytam. Well, yeah, that day is about fundamentally about the The government woman, Edwardian woman who would be regarded. but in them turned as a spinster. Oh worryingly unmarried and un proposed to at this point in her late twenties, early thirties. You li of her parents in a well to do house, a father's a publisher, a mother is a daughter of a very famous poet. herer mother is writing a book about. U Her father it's taken about eighteen years and she's only done about two chats Iy been it. Jennifer Saunders, wonderful, Jennifer Plaines M and I played And Haley Bennett plays this Edwardian girl who's actually doesn't fit the bill of potential wifehood from an Edwardian point of view She wants to go to university. She's an astronomer quite a talented one and trying to ulate the situation for them to understand she doesn't want to marit This young man she's known her her life as family friend And so it's a battle of Wills really from the beginning. And it's an investigation of this world, this mure, this Evalian world where it's about to undergo a paradigm shift or a very slow paradigm shift, if there can be one Um about women's attitudes about they wanted to do independence and character, Mr. Hilbrey in a sense is representative of that immovable Edwardian's patriarchy But also, I think, he also in a way someone who's of that kind of resolve are loosening a little bit. and this And this investigates this woman, young woman's determination Cow in her own furrow towards what she wants to do Um, actually kind of a lot of meeting a lot of resistance and then it takes you into a whole bure of E Wiam Wellld, she's introduced to Lillily Allen's character who's a self suffragette running this kind of alternative world of people she's introed introduced to. She's then she goes and because her father doesn't allow us to study and in the house he's had enough of her U He's had enough of everything really a father. he's just because he's shick desperately wants to sort her out, but he can't, you know And then there's a whole gallery of other characters rather eccentric which is another suitor comes along who she takes an instant dislike to, but obviously she deeply underneath it or she's rather intrigued by him So u, you know wheverver I'm telling you might have a great story here, but it's actually but also the flavor of it, I think is a very different Justin Well what M taken the book and I have opened it up into this world has a whole different atmosphere. It doesn't it's not stuffy We also were encouraged to improvise quite a lot in it and to loosen it up. The tririp was very good, but Tina was very open to seeing what happened on set. so it was oddly Eperimental and not nerve wracking at times because you think, on earth am I supposed to be impvising whati language, you know, so There is an element that frees up a little bit. Can you tell us something about working with Tina Garavi? Be she made Iam Nazrene, which I really, really liked I saw her interviewed on stage at the BFI, and she was funny and witty and sharp and she really seemed to be completely in command of all the material. What was she like to work with the director? Because you've worked with, some of the best directors in the business. What was she like to work with? Well she was very relaxed very relaxed and very open to um, seeing what happened, you know, um, We had the script which we rehearsed we would do. and then She would just run the cameras so and she wouldn't call cut, you know, So we'd just carry on or we just or we gott to start doing it again. So there was a Luckily, we had a very interesting inventive cast, you know. Jennifer as you' just making up on the spot. Jack Whitehall absolutely charming Jack Lovely Miss Miss Phillips. She so we were all there and in this position where we had this script and these characters and Hileley was very good and we U Now a lot of it The script is as scripted, but there are elements of this improvisation in the script also loosened up the whole feel of it, it gave a lot of freedom. We weren't Characters are buttoned down. Oh Ed Wallen characters are somewhat buttoned down So it was always added to the strain of this shift going on, I think this feeling of something unsettling in this this young woman represents this world is no longer generation of women. You know, when you think of it, it seems like staking the obvious really that You know, it's only a hundred years ago womomen were just not. It seems as being able to look after themselves you know, they had to be provided for by a husband or They weren't provided these middleass and uper middle top women, of course, working top women have always had to get on with it work, you know. But this whole mure this upper middle class world, it was just preposterous to think that you would Cow your own f a man, a father that wouldn't care or make sure this is what the daughter was taken care of. It's I mean, now you know, I've got daughters. I want to make sure they're okay, but then this but they work, you know, they've got their own careers Women just didn't have a career. so this is actually we forget how unusual somebody wanting to go to Cambridge is and to resist the suitors that are put before us So that's what this film is really about. Tim, we have u We've been talking about you a lot on the podcast over the last few months. Most recently, when you were Pollonius in Rizalmed's Hamlet, which is fantastic, which we enjoyed very much for I haven't seen it yet. I'm looking forward to seeing it Allright, it's been and gone. But anyway never find it somewhere but I'm aware it' Father's Day coming up this weekend. And you've been so you're a father in this movie, Mr. Hilbury. You were in Kate Winslitz debut performance. So another we're kind of ambivalent and confused dad Bernie in goodbye June. The reason why I think you're Mr. Hilbury in this film is so enjoyable is that it would be very easy to play the kind of two dimensional Edwardian patriarch. But actually yours is Yours is a nuanced role. You are compassionate you're a compassionate father. and it's just that you're a bit bewildered, I think, by the way the world is turning. W that be would that be fair? Absolutely. That's what I thought Um He is arasciible and and he is at the end of his tether I think and he does he loves his daughter He drives him mad. He loves his wife incredibly, but is driven mad by it because what I come to the conclusion was we always assume These men In some way must enjoy their role as patriarch, enjoy their roles as being in charge. And I've been thinking R Some of these guys They were a victim of society as much as they were in charge, but a lot of these men didn't really want it, this terrible strain of having to make these decisions constantly be the bad one. be the person who out to provide and I think Mr. Hilbri is the sense of Okay, he's very much a man of his time I wonder deep down inside whether he really is slightly being cast in a role he doesn't necessarily want to fulfill. And there must have been many, many men who did that and maybe sometimes The strictness and their their draconian attitudes were were a product of being slightly out of their debt you know, I mean, there's a lot of I know a lot of in big families, men at young men, they weren't all of a sudden they had seven kids. they must have thought, what the hell's happened? I mean, you know, So I'm not defending a whole generation of drraconian restrictive men It did occur to me that As this man sees his world unfolding before him, he's intelligent ' irassleable but is intelligent. He doesn't want to lose his daughter. He's allows the rivets of his constreintth, there was rivets of his Chair of hisis to this point seception of society are loosening as everybody's rivets must have been. I mean rather painfully the whole of society I mean, there's particularly the As we know, the active suffragettes were regarded as terrorists and they were beaten up and they were starved and they were force fed I mean, so We forget these things because in a sense they've been bizarrely romanticized now they've become tinned as it were, these characters to a certain degree, but we forget that there's a real, real struggle and it was a real moment in time, very important moment in time where attitude We're changing Unfortunately, a lot of you know, active people would say, well, not enough and we know, but this is a hundred years ago Um, And it and it was really pretty tough for a lot of women. So that's what this film explains in a very witty way and a very unpo faced way, I think. and that And at all that was as well and the cast you got together were were up for kind of loosening up a bit. I think Hey' performs is fantastic, it? I mean,'s vacious takes and carries it all without it being uh, you know, um precious or self regarding, I think it's a wonderful fresh performance It's worth saying that the film is called Night and Day and the thing that it does is it balances light and dark. And I think that's the thing that makes it work Yeah. I think that's right. And I mean, I was intrigued by it because I didn't You know, I've only ever read one Vginia Wolf and I had an associated her with a sort of Comedy of Manners world, which when I I read the book. I thought this is interesting o but the screenplay is very I actually only read two thirds of the book because I thought the production was going to collapse. I thought I'll read the rest of it when I know they've got the but You know what, the independent world is the movie world is getting tougher and tougher and tougher. tried to get a movie made. you know, this is the amazing thing that not only is this movie being made U but It's actually got a cinema release which I think is really u I'm really delighted with because it's getting tough indindie movies. to get released, you know? Yeah. And he goes into in goes to cinemas with Disclosure Day and Toy Story five Tim. So that Well let's let's hope Well I I've whiffed the little backlash to a certain amount not those two films aren't excellent pieces of work in their own field, but I think It's I know there's been a slight backlash in the state with these smaller horror films Um these much lower budget horror films, but that's a different thing, of course, because Horror films often and science fiction films often become prevalent, I think. Do they not When the world, the collective subconscious is actually scared about things when it feels insecure You know, the Cold War produced many, many spe fiction movies, did it not? and horror movies and so on. And now I think what we're seeing now is these small movies. which have got very fundamental unusual stories about terror, but also normality being uplifted Let's hope that they'll in between this as this new backatreest comes al, they? The slightly unusual period piece will be a part of this backfashion. Yeah. Dream on, somebody I can hear somebody saying, Dream on. So the movie is Virginia Wol Snight and Dave. Tim, what do what do what do we see you in next? What do you move on to after this? Well, I'm working on a I'm not allowed to say what it is at the moment. such as the modern world. I'm working on a Netflix a six partark thing. I was supposed to be between n an independent starting around now and an independent movie in the States, but unfortunately the dates have shifted. they shifted about six times now So but I'm working on this other thing and then I'm doing other things are cooking up So I'm in gameful employment U you told us absolutely you' told us not called it. I'm being tolerated as I have been on a long term basis. This once care professional Well, we look forward to every new project. Tim, we always appreciate you coming on the show. Thank you so much for your time. It's always a delight to talk to you guys. Thank you for having me on the show. than you I hope everybody enjoyys the movie as I hope you did. so lets we will find out. God bless you. Always good to talk to Tim Spul. Even though we haven't heard that just ye I think we both found that a very enjoyable experience. Very enjoyable experience. and it went terrifly well. and you were right in there with the line of questioning that I would have been in with well done. And indeed, your insightful comments from the hotel. Yeah, that was very good, wasn't it? They were great. Yeah. So it' Virginia W's night and day, you know some of what Mark thinks because of the way he phrased his questions, obviously, which I haven't done. But here it is in condensed f. So I may well be repeating some of the things that Tim Sul hasn't yet said but will have said by the time you've listened this, but here we go. So Virginnia Wolfs Night and Day, which is this sparky and despite the title, very loose adaptation of Virginnia Wolf's novel, this is from British Ranian director Tina Garavi, who made the brilliant raaft nominated I am Nazrene also helmed Queen Cleopatra in the TV thing, which caused the stir because it had Adele James in the lead role. and' some accusations of he's pushing an afro centric agenda to which she replied that you can be pretty certain of one thing, is that Cleopatra looked more like Adele James than Elizabeth Taylor, which I thought was fantastic So This new film is written adapted by Justin, I think Wadell, W A D D E L L. Wadaell, you would say Woodell. Features an ensemble cast which is Hailey Bennet, Timas Spal who we just heard from. Lillily Allen, Jennifer Saunders, Jack Whiteall Sally Phillips The novel apparently, when I haven't read the novel, centers around four main characters and raises the question of whether love and marriage do indeed go together like a horse and carriage. In the case of the film which is set in nineteen ten London. It takes apparently some incidental threads from the novel, which it then expands. As I said, I only know this from reading the research on it because I haven't read the novel because I'm not very well read In this story, Haileley Bennett is Catherine. She's an autoidact wannabe astronomer who wants to go to Cambridge to study maths and the stars. and her father, played by Timothy Spaul has other ideas. He wants her to marry William, who is this kind of Tim nice but dim type played rather well, I think by Jack Whitehall. she resists the proposal. Meanwhile, her mother, played by Jennifer Saunders, has been working for years on this still incomplete biography of the late grandfather, who was a poet and critic. and she's being encouraged to cut it down radically to make it publishable. And to this end, they have brought in an editor, Ralph, played by Ellison Barrack Who is the antithesis of William? And then Her horizons, Catherine's horizons are broadened by A cousin Cyril. to She goes with Cyril to a men only meeting of an astrological society. She's dressed as a man.ably you ever se nine and a half weeks? I know it was a strange comparison, but there's a scene in nine a half weeks in which Kim Basinger dresses as a man to go out with Miy Ro. It's kind of joke scene but it's like one of those things about. Yeah, she doesn't look like a man. but she's dress as a man, therefore we have to assume that she gets into a men only spaces Um, She also, Katherine also becomes friends with Mary Datchett played by Lily Allen who find who is kind of a much more outspoken free spirited figure. And through these kind of encounters, she starts to find ways to challenge the assumptions of society and what you know what is and isn't possible. Now, if any of that sounds heavy, it's not meant to because you've seen the film as well, the tone of it is actually very very lightight. I don't mean lightweight, but I mean light. It's a very, very enjoyable watch and I really enjoyed the film. And when you look it's interesting when you look at the poster, the poster is quite a smiley poster. It's got you faces of people that you know and they all seem to be sort of half smiley. The thing that's important to say is that that doesn't mean that it doesn't have darkness behind it because you know, smiles, period costumes, all that stuff that we love, but it is dealing with some darker subject matter, and I think a lot of that is encapsulated by the fact that Haley Bennett is so good in the central role She has got one of those faces that is able to telegraph When somebody's smiling, but it looks, you know that they're screaming on the inside. There's something about the way that she her facial expressions work that she's very, very good at that. She's also very good at doing somebody who has lots to say but isn't saying it because of the circumstances she's in just require her you know to be clipped. All of that, you know, like politely nodding in the affirmative. And I think all of that really helps the movie have this kind of balancing act between the stuff which is which is, you know, deep and u real emotional and political stuff going in it going on in it. and the stuff which is just really entertaining to watch. I mean, I think the Role not simply allows Hailey Bennett to shine, but absolutely demands that she do so because otherwise the film wouldn't work As for Tina Graby, she's a terrific director. She's got wit, confidence,cept deceptively light touch. I mean, I think the film, as I said, it feels breezy and entertaining even when it's dealing with some tough stuff. And you know, you got the title Night and Day. As that suggests, it's the balance between light and dark. It's the balance between between the things that are difficult and the things which which are funny and comedic And I think it gets all those things reallyally right. And I sent you a message saying I you know, I hope you liked it and you said I did. Yes. Tell me what you liked about it. No, but I just Hailey Bennett is Wh always reminds me of Jennifer Lawren Hello just visually. Okay. That's interesting. Yeah, I just I think I think she is incredibly versatile and very watchable and I thought it felt like it was a true story. know It felt like the director had found this and they turned it into a drama as opposed to a novel by Virginia Wolf, which you didn't feel like at all. But then you did say it was you know, loosely adapted from ideas that that came up in it. So I thought it was a good ensemble piece, you know, everyone Tim is great 's but he is really great. I mean he's great in everything He can do Absolutely anything. but the kind of The the gap between being pompous And malign is very because there are there are scenes in the film in which he is quite scary. Yes. You know, so he's not just this kind of figure of fun. He is there isn't there's an edge to his authoritarianism. Yes. Oh no, absolutely. And Jack Whitall, who I'm quite happy not to watch most of the time, but was exactly right. Yeah, I thought it was really well cast And I think he does it really well. I think he does that Tim nice but dim role really well because it's It's hard to get the balance of that right and not just become a caricature. And I don't and I'm not really familiar with much of his other work, but Yeah. and then there's just a hint of the as they've staged it impending First World War, when one of the characters stands up in costume and you say, oh yeah, okay, that's all about to that's all about to come and change everything. But it felt like a great story. that was being explained to me for the first time, even though it's not a true story, it sort of has the essence of truth about it. Yes. And there is a strong element of truth about it's fiction And the title is Virginia Wolf Night and Day. It's not the title the title of the film on the posters is Virginia Wolfves Night and Day. And in fact, I think that's actually how it comes up on the BBFC site as well. So yeah, that is the yeah, Virginia Wolfves Night and Day is the full title. Okay, cororrespondence of Konomoe. com when you see it, let us know. If you're on Patreon of course, you can get take one and take two ad free Although the ads that Mark and I read out are hilarious of the highlight of the show. Cutusing out our exclusive bonus Take Ultra every forortnite, which is a live thirty minute show Loads of other benefits. Also in T cultry, I think we should start doing travel news and racing. Okay, fine. just like the old days. Yes. And you can use our june ninety code. that's capital J U any ninety for ninety percent off, which is clearly ridiculous. So grab this offher while it's still there St by for the greatest comedy lift of all time. everyveryone's favorite, but it's slightly different so you might feel a little bit disorientated, but the sound effects are the same. here can go Butamark there's a fun change to the format this week. dear you are going to be playing the role of Mr. Punchline Okay. And you have to do it in the style of one of your most famous impressions. Okay. You'll know it when you hear it. Okay, o. Is the music slightly loud? know crank it down guys. Thank you Also hey Mark,. Grandpa Mayo, a war hero, told me this story ago. He was in charge of interrogations at a prisoner of war camp in nineteen forty four. Okay. They called him they called in a German soldier A Japanese soldier and an Italian soldier for grilling.. There's a little bit of stereotyping. they walk into a bar The German soldier insists that his superior Aryan genetics will allow him to resist interrogation. The soldier was, after all as thin as Gurring as blonde as Hitler and as tall as Gebbels. The Japanese soldier claims that his unyielding semi religious devotion to the emperor will give him the strength not to crack. Italian soldier, just a young squady, says he wishes he had the other two's fortitude because he's sure he'll crumble quickly During the interrogation, however, the Italian is the only one to completely withstand the questioning ressed Grandpa is stand by m up Lchline. There we go. Impressed. Grandparo said to the Italian Sore mummy, Chummy, How did you withstand that questioning and not crack at all? And the soldier said, Hey, I wantna talk, but I ain't tied my hand to the chair. Now, how much racial stereotype it was there in that joke? I think there was a aominate. I aominate. So was that Zach Jack, Bob. So the suggestion was Roberta Bernini or Jared Jerred. Let's say you went with the easier one. Well, I went with either, you know. I can do I can do more Roberta Bernini if you want, No, it's fine U St to come markark what I'll tell you, Simon. Where is a Toy Story five? Yes. Toy Story five animate. He s his animate, he's animate Yeah, a toaster in five. I'm anaminates. Okay And then up be Kate Wins it in Amonight Hydration break, please. Okay, so before we get to Toy Story five, Craig has sent us an email. Dear twelve and twelve A. Mark's recent answer about film ratings and the introduction of the twelve A certificate in the UK brought back memories of a year seven school trip abroad Each night the teachers would allow us to watch a film in the hostel that we'd ten over for the week. picked from a selection of films brought by students from home However, there was widespread dismay when we were told that we could categorically not watch anything fifteen or eighteen. a senseibleible position in hindsight, given that we were either eleven or Well More bizarrely, we were told that anything rated PG wasn't okay becausecause our parents weren't physically there to offer the guidance guidance. A PG rating suggested Just when it looked like our entire week was going to be nightly watches of extremely child friendly fare, the teachers decided that twelve A films were fine for us to watch because some of you are twelve and those who aren't are being accompanied by an adult. I imagine that this isn't quite how the BBFC intended for their ratings to be interpreted, but we were all extremely grateful that it meant we could spend our evenings watching Austin Powers rather than Poker Hunteras. So that is true. Lgally speaking, you can't watch a PG, no parents ahe. But you can watch a twelve because you are twelve or there as an adult. I I always comeare this. I mentioned this last week. People of our age will remember this, that used to be The certificates were you and A. and an A certificate movie was that you could only go and see it with an accompanying parent or guardian, right And so what you would do or what I would what everyone I knew would do if you wanted to go see Planet the Apes and it's an A and of course your parents didn't want to see planlet at the Apes. So you'd hang around outside the Odian Hendon until some random adult. you go, Mr., take a see of screen streight. It's like a very very bad idea. like a very, very bad idea, but that was literally what we did Certainly not what we did in worirthing, let me tell you. Oh really? No,. She's doing worthing You going with priest or No, we just didn't break the law Breaking the law, accompany a parent or goak in Judas priest It very good What was it Son? it Aaxon, Yeahah. Okay. Baking the law, breaking the law St studi, please. Anyway. Before we get to it was very hard are you. I am indebted to a Mori BSC MSC, PhD Analytical Chemistry University of Southampton, MRSC deear movie Doctors this is Amori, LTLFTA Frenchman based in Singapore, but writing to you now from suunny St Jean deu Everybody says. When moon h when the moon hits the sky like a big pizza pie, that's Amorory. where I'm enjoying a family holiday with the Good Lady businessiness deeveloper and child number one I am writing to you about the various Asian editions of the moovie Doctor's book A few weeks ago, Simon pulled a volume off his shelf identifying it or was it markarked as the career edition of your good book Now I typically only listened to your podcast. It wouldn't have been the wiser, but that day The algorithm had led me to your YouTube video Looking at the cover of the book, I realized that this was definitely not Korean script. but rather traditional Chinese character. In that case it was a Chinese , meaning that it was probably a Taiwanese edition. with a title roughly translating to Welcome to the Mvie Hospital. I let them matter lie, convinced that the listener would swiftly correct this small issue. This however, hasn't yet happened. And Mark in the latest episode identified the same volume again as the Korean ory. I decided this was a reason good enough to warrant my first email to your good selves. After asking confirmation from my lovely wife who pointed out that it could also be an addedition from Hong Kong, I resolved to write this emergency email Hope you'll find this informative, Maton Cleur de la Paratif Sincerely Matom So okay, so my guess is it's the Tawan The Taiwanese. There is definitely two different editions, one of them, which would be that one. and then there is another one which is Korean. There is a Korean edition. Yeah, which has got a completely different cover It's almost like we need an expert to tell us what our book is. really. We just wrote it,. Anyway. So thank you Amori. The Taiwanese edition is our favorite one because of the way they've done it. Yeah. Anyway Enough of that nonsense, you might have noticed there's a new Toy story film out. This is number five. Toy Story five, directed by Andrew Stanton, written by Stanton Anne Kenna Harris. Voice cast includes Returning Voices Tom Hanks, Tim Allen, Joan Kusack, Tony Hale John Ratzberg, Wala Seaan Blake Clock, Anny Potts, Bonny Hunt, Christian Kianao Reeves, Alie Mackkeet, along with new additions Greta, Conan O'Brien, Craig Robinson, Shelby Ribara, Scarlett Spears, Michael Michelle Harris, Mattty Matheson, Uncle Tom Ernie Hudson, Alan E everybody Tom Cobby, their appearance.es. I was always surprised when somebody said they went looking it up because people don't know Uncle Tom Cobbleley and all anymore, but there we go. This is the first in the Toy Story series that doesn't have any involvement from co creator John Lassitter who left Pixar in twenty eighteen. Randy Newmbeck in score, Taylor Swift contributing I'm going to read the plot synopsis before we go into the clip and I'll then explain why I'm reading the synopsis, o. So the plot synopsis goes After Woody left Bonnie to stay with Bau Peep and helped abandoned toys find owners, Jesie becomes the leader of Bonnie's room with Buzzlight Eris her second in command. However, and now eight year old Bonnie has become enamored with her new favorite play thing, a frog light tablet. Named Lilyipad, Greta Lee, now Buzz must have Woody return to help them overcome Lip Pad 's clip Sorry, I didn't mean to scare you. Sleep mode, you know Now. Forget. It was just gonna hop on the charger. Battery could use a little refresh. I want to talk to you, device. Please call me Lily. Now look here, me and the toys have been working all summer to try and get Bonnie to make friends with the Jordan twins across the street. Yeah. But then you had to ruin it with all your stupid. You're not even listening to me. No No, I was listening. I'm always listening. See? Now look here me and the toys have been working all summer to try to get Bonnie to make friends with the Jordan T twins. No in Spanish a rarap And the tooyys have been working all summer trying to get Bonny M. Istand This concerns me ethically I'm looking at you and wondering whether are you laughing or I was quite intrigued by that Partly because I think Gretaieee is amazing. Yes, she is. And she needs to come on the show. she's listening, may I'm sure she's a regular listener. We'd love you to come on the show, Greta. Yeah. Okay. But I thought, if you're going to make Toy Story five, the one that you're going to make. Okay, the one the one where the kid is only interested in the tablet. So I understand where that's heading. Okay So Well here's my takeaking on it Toy Story onene was but I haven't seen the fm. No, no, know,. So Toy Story One was revolutionary change the face of, you know, modern animation really did. I remember the first time it was digital animation. backack then was like you cann't quite figure it out Toy Story two, astonishingly, I think, was actually even better. I mean and we know the whole story it was originally going to be straight for the small screen. And then Toy Story three basically completed the trilogy. It was It was this absolutely wonderful sentimental heartbreaking conclusion and the perfect trilogy. and we said at the time, it's like the beforeform of it is perfect in and of itself. Then ory four Now Toy Story four felt unnecessary, but it did, I think, still have some of the magic of the original trilogy. It didn't add to the trilogy, but it didn't detract from it either Tom Hanks had said, okay, that's it. we're done now Although they're not This for me is the first proper Toy story disappointment. Now I should say, we're recording this on Tuesday. So I have no idea what the reviews for the film are because the reviews I think are embargoed until the end of today. We're only interested in your reviews. No I know, take no notice. No. I know, I know. but I'm just saying so I don't know, you know it just kind of slightly sort of shting because usually you've got some sense of how reactions to films have been but This is the first time I found myself and I saw it in the cinema in the West End and I was right at the back. so I was completely know away from everybody else because I wanted to watch it on my own. This is the first time I found myself sitting in the cinema in the company of Woody and Buzz and Jesse in the gang and finding myself Bd Baffled occasionally bit cross. The problems are manyfolds and When if I said that, we think of Benny Hill, but a woman's need are many fold. Soon she married de Anyway, let's not get distracted by that. So Firstly, the plot, the reason I read you the plot synopsis is because the plot is all over the place, right? Toy story one was simplicity itself When the kids leave the room ys come to life ory Story two, is a bit more existential. they discover that they're part of a production line. There's the whole thing about it's not just, you know, it's almost like David and AI And then Toy Story three is the end of Winnie the Poo It's the whole thing about the time to put away childish things. And you and I, when we reviewed it, we were talking about it and we were almost in tears. I mean, we were almost unable to breroak up. Yeah it was particularly read listeners reactions in the emails that they sent in about how they had responded. Yes, but we responded because we felt the same way Toy Story four, I can't remember much of the plot. I think some of it took place in a fairground and it was a lot of it was outdoors, but I don't really remember much of the plot. Do you No? I don't think I even saw it., Okay, fine This time, the narrative is simultaneously too complicated and too simplistic, okay? The simplistic thing is the battle between old toys and new tech, you know, flagged up by the arrival of Lily Pad. And hey, you know guess what? Spending time alone on your screen can make you lonely which is like O, but In the first Ty story, the arrive of a flashy new toy was already, buuzz turns up. You know, you've got old style woody and then buuzz turns up. And then we went through all of that. And short of saying that kids need to put away their screens and use their imaginations more, fine, this doesn't really have anything new to add. plus, it really hedges its bets. I mean, when you're talking about, you know, it's the thing about, obviously they've got do new tech Look at the way look at the way it plays out. I mean it's, you know, it is very much a kind of and hey, we're all we're all a bit are't we we're playing for for the team. So that's the simple bit. The complex bit is the narrative. I was making notes during it, okay. Basically my version of the plot goes, right It starts with there's an entire army of buzz toys washed up on a desert island or something They've now got enhanced capability Toy story two. Then it goes to the child who's got Jessie and the horse but no friends and gets a lily pad to make friends, but the friends then laugh at having toys, which she throws out, which then through a really convoluted plot twist end up being delivered to an old address from the past where this other child lives, who's the only other child who still plays with the toys, but also has a liip pad and with whom Jesse should clearly be united but isn't. And then there's another strand about Woody being accidentally called back due to a conversation on a walkie talkie which he misshears. And then Jessse needs him as a deputy, but she doesn't. And then they're on a farm. and then there's a bit with a horse and a pig and then there's some stuff about Buzz wanting to marry Jessie, but being unable to tell her that's what he wants to do. And then there's some stuff about Jessse's previous owner growing up, but still loving Jesse. and then there's some stuff about forgetting and then there's some stuff about remembering and then there's some stuff about all the toys. All the lily pad being in a truck and then they have to chase the truck and then it turns out that you remember the whole thing in the first Toy story, That's not flying, That's falling with style. right? By the time you get to Toy Story five, Ohh no, they fly Theyly And in fact, if there is anything that is symptomatic, symbolic of what's gone wrong, it's that in the first film that's not flying, that's falling with style. and in the fifth film they're just flying, which incidently makes no sense. And the last bit is particularly significant cause If you throw away the magic, if you throw away the thing which made the first one, which was the idea is so simple, The idea is so straightforward. And the magic is he's flying with falling. and then you go, no we're updating You go, okay, fine, I'm sorry. I'm just checked out. Now there are individual moments which work. Of course there are, becausecause when you have a voice cast this good. and when you have characters that are this resilient and that we've spent four movies with and we've got so much emotionally invested in, of course things are going to work The things that made me emotionally move were, I mean, look, the sight of a young child being cyberbllied is moving. You don't have to be a psychopath not to be moved by that is not enough. And where is the original Toy Story movies they had this kind of heart and soul and this simple idea This felt very much to me like a film from the director of John Carter of Mars. It's kind of weirdly aimless and bloated. And all these numerous warring elements It's like they're all they're all struggling for their moment in the sun, but none of them are cohereing. It's like somebody just threw a whole bunch of stuff at a whiteboard and said, let's see where any of that lands And worse, worse, worse The moments that do work, the moments that made me moved and you know started to well up felt manipulative and it never felt manipulative before So the cast is bigger, the canvas is bigger, everythingvery is bigger, yet somehow its ambition, its emotional ambition feels much smaller. I mean, not small in a kind of intimate way, but small in a kind of rewards and honestly, I lost patience with it somewhere around about the midway mark. And then when I lost patience with it, I then became overwhelmed by this sense of sadness about the loss of innocence with the Toy Story movies, which is that it was almost like I was growing up in real time that I was sitting in a cinema with these characters that I love that have meant so much to me over the course of the time that we've done this show. and for the first time ever I was like Come on So you were feeling all tooy Story three about Toy Story five. I was feeling all Toy Story three about Toy Story five and and it was, you know, I mean, I What want what I wanted to be was I wanted to be a young kid gurgling at the at the you know I wanted to be the kid sitting in the chair, unable to sit still because they're so excited to know what happens next. And in fact, I was the old guy from U going but and slamming the door in the film's face. Now I confess I know. I can do this, that I can just go, okay, fine, no, I've lost it now. I've lost patience. And I'm sure that next week the film will do fantastically well and we will get loads of emails from people saying that they went and they had a great time. and I'm sure that's the case. I really wanted to love it and I did not care for it at all And in fact I got quite cross with it quite quickly I wonder if in future years Kids will watch or just young people will watch this film and go Wow. So back in the day Under sixteenens could watch this stuff. Because that's the big story this week when we're talking about the government plans to ban social media for the undernder sixteenens. Yeah I've only heard that clip And Gretie's character was obviously annoying and was intended to be annoying And then you mentioned the cybery bullying. Well cyberbullying is you's got a lii pad and they can message each other. So I don't know whether that counts as social media, But if but if the No, I'm wondering if that's exactly the kind of thing that the government are trying to, as they have done in Australia, say, no you can't do that. I think and the tech companies need to make sure that that doesn't happen. So this is actually quite a newsy Nsy film. I think that it's completely coincidental that these two things are. and I also think that what the film has to say about because it's like, is it online? I mean you know, are the whole thing about powering up and powering just none of it makes any sense. none of it none of its connectivity makes any sense at all even to a luddite like me But it's like, you know, the liilly padd in which they're messaging, so their friends sitting together, but they're messaging each other on the thing. Does that count as social media? Prob does. Probably does. So I wonder if if this this film. Yeah, well I wonder if it's gonna to be one of those does the film add to the people who say under sixteen shouldn't be able to watch it? or not. No, can I be honest with you? I don't think it adds anything to any debates at all. I think it is literally a product I think it is a product and I don't think it has anything profound to say and I hate the fact that I'm saying that about a Toy Story film. It would be interesting to know in the same wayays as that we had a disclosure der from someone who gone with a nine year old be interested to know if you go and see Toy Story five with a nine year old all similar. And I'm sure to find out, you know what they thought of it and whether their reaction was any different. I'm sure that we will get emails from people saying and as I said, I am at least aware of this. I am aware that I am the old guy from Up, but I can't lie to you. I really didn't like it Child one who has kids of his own is flying back into the country this weekend so that he and I can go and see gerillas.. and they're playing at the Tottenham Stadium, which which be mic. And Toy Story one I went to see, as I've mentioned before because it was a PG and I thought Because Child onene was like four. Yeah. I was thinking, can he go and see a PG? You know, why is it a PG? So I'm thinking, that's how long these films are about because the maths is one thing. And then you equate it to where you are in real time. Aly. These have been with us forever. When the first Toy Story movie came out and I was shown just before it came out, we were shown a sort of a working some bits of it And I remember us all sitting there going What is what what is this? that's what that's not that's not a three dimensional like the CG was so well done But it was like, I can't quite figure out what I'm watching. Like I said, it felt slightly hallucinatory. And then of course, you see the film and the genius of the film is that the technology is not what's important. The genius of Toy Story is that it's the characters that are important. And that is true of one, two, and three, It's less true of four, and it's absolutely not true of five Correspondents of Kabino. com. I'm sure as Mark said, I'm sure we get lots of correspondents about Toy Story five I'm happy to be contradicted. Please let us know what you think or you may well agree. So may well be that, you know it wouldn't be a surprise if five was Disappointing No exactly. It is the difficult fifth album. So just before we're done, we have a Whatatson. You can send us a voic note, send us a video of S something that is movie related or movie adjacent. Yes. For example, here is Santosh Hello, Simon and Mark. This is Sant Las Joy from Film at the Hearth in Horley Northumberland. 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