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Very disturbently Yes. Proucer Dom who works on this show was just talking about some extra work that he had to do because one of his colleagues had been bitten by a spider And my assumption had been that they were abroad or something, but apparently not.'s it's a spider called a fulllded widow which I had absolutely not heard of before. but they'd been the reaction to the bite was sufficient that they'd you know, had to take time off. and so I didn't know we had spiders the bit like that in the UK. Yes, I have heard of false widows and I have in fact been scared of of false widows after having heard of them U because apparently they're very nasty. likeike, yeah But I mean, if you'd said false sweidow, I would just have assumed that it was a woman claiming that her husband was dead, but actually he was perfectly fine, you know And that was completely fake. And they're also known as cupboard spiders. and I'm always very kind of, oh, come on, because I'm always called on to get rid of the spiders in the house becausecause they're always just they're just sort of like ordinary spiders, but people get very upset about them So you know, you do the cup and the card thing and take them out all that kind of stuff. But now I've heard about false widows. I'm not sure I'm doing the right thing. I mean the thing is I'm not scared of spiders at all and the good lady professor is really horrified by them And so if might spid. a spider you' got to get the spider. And I to do thing I don't even put the cup over, I just pick it up my hands because it's like it's a spider And yet then I heard a story about the false widow spider I was like, Oh Okay, so maybe the maybe I should do the cup and bit of card thing because that because yes, apparently there are. because you always think of Dangerous spiders really being in Australia, right?. That's a thing, right? Australians get really fed up with the fact that everyone says, yeah, more dangerous animals than anywhere else the world, you don't really think about dangerous spiders here, but you absolutely do. We had We had to think it's not a spy though We had a rat thing We had a rat living in our house. and you know you had a did you solve your rat problem Well we thought we'd solved it and it appears to be back. So Ratman will be coming back and and so you know It's an ongoing crisis. And I'm just hoping that before the next heat wave hits in a few days time, that we don't have heat wave plus dead rats because then it will be like plague central Did Ratman find live Rat No, Ratman found dead rats. That's what we can smell. We can smell dead rats. Okay But But you're saying that there's more dead rats There Clearly more dead rats, yes. Okay Right. because we had a rat living in all animal food cupboard. And what happened was we had a washing machine And the washing machine got changed and the builder took took the pipe out the back, notot a drirary washing machine, a tumbler dryer. took the pipe out the back where the tumbler dryer went and then put a new hole for the new tumbler dryer, but didn't fill up The old hole And that went into the back of the animal food cupboard. And so for this rat, it was just like it was the Hilton Yeah It was like imagine so It's like, you know, help yourself. It's at all you can eat buffet. But we were told, apparently Rats is much better than mice because rats are cleaner than mice and Well, no, that's what I mean I mean, obviously, when they're dead, it's different. because you can't blame somebody for something for smelling after it's not alive. No, I suppose not. I just don't want them anywhere anywhere near. But anyyway, just on the full spiders apparently they They're not aggressive towards humans unless trapped or handled So right. In other words, exactly the thing that you might do Yes Just pick it up and that's when it'll go, oh Tasty fat fingers. I'll have some of those Horrible, horrible. Hey, can I very quickly tell you a joke? I don't really do jokes very much, but you know you said that Ch three had said, how's the laughter lift going? Do you need any jokes? And Y your role in this show is to do jokes, okay? Well, I read them out. Yes. OkayK, fine. So I heard a joke, and just tell me whether you think because I thought this was very funny, right? It was told me by somebody, who's almost certainly doing it There are two bas it's a basist joke, okay? They're two basists. they're having a meal together and having a conversation. And one of them's a jazz basassist and one of them's a rock basist, okay? And the jazz basassist says to the rock basassist, Look, you know, we're both basists, right? He says, Yeahah, yeah. He says, you know, we both do a job. He yeah, He said, we get paid about the same amount money goes Yeahah yeah. the thing that really bothers me is As a jazzass, I have to play all the notes, right? I play loads of notes. I play all the notes, you know, all the way and down there, you just play the root note. You just go d d, d, d, d, d d. And then you play, you know, fourth and fifth me you play the root note And the guy says, Yeah know, what's the point? He says, Well, the point is we get paid the same amount of money, but I have to play all the notes and you only play the one note And so it means like you know, like for every one note that you play, I have to play like fifty notes but we get paid the same amount of money. And the rock music, the rock basassist says, I really thought of that, but you No, it's a good point. it's a good point. And in fact It's such a good point. I feel like a repayment. He says, I'll tell you what. This meal is on me And the jazz bassis goes, check please. And the guy behind the counter says, Sir, this is a soup kitchen Yeah, he's kind of mildly abusing gu. I' including a I guess if you play bass, it's like maybe the best joke you've ever heard. It's the funniest joke I' heard in a very long time But you don't like jazz basasses, do you? You've got to think about them Well, I just think you should just hank off their, you know, their hand to the headstop and just go just play the root note Literally the songs in A play in A every now and then I'm just I'm definitely out of my comfort zone here, but By the time this is landed. I'll have done an on stage with Pete Townsend Oh wow as a fundraising thing. And I was just watch watching some old pererformances by the Wh. which are very easy to find And it got to this classic recording from nineteen seventy seven of The who doing Won't get Fooled againg, right? So ye Roger doing his swirly microphone thing. Yes. Pete Townsend leap leaping around like a man possessed. Yes John Bonnam doing sorry Keith Moon, beg your pardon Keith Moon. doing his, you know, he's he was like going to be dead within a year, but, you know, so he's completely out of control, but amazing. And then occasionally it just cut to John Emwistle Sting there And he's Just Not moving And it's just so it's very I mean, is it Derek Smalls? I mean, I think that's what it is. But he he is clearly never struck me before, but he clearly was defining himself by how little he was moving as opposed to all the others. course a base player who was playing some amazing bass, but justaz moving. I mean absolutely amazing. of course he was always referred to as the Ox So he was the ox, he just he was the immovable object that the incredible thing about won't get fooled again is that the base playing is Off the I mean, it's amazing to when they go to to the new re. he's going boom boom but he's bare moving at all because he doesn't use a pick he he's all with his fingers. So he's just standing there playing this amazing bass lines and as somebody who on principle objects to bass solos I would say the bass solo in my generation is the exception. because it's like, okay, f You're you're doing something else with the idea of a bassomomomom pum pum p pum p pum you know, I mean, it's It's amazing. Josh Os, our engineer on this show, has just posted saying there's an E whistle cam on YouTube from that performance, which is absolutely sensational. So know so I imagine it's forget the rest of the band. Yeah here's John Edwistle. H's John Edwistle, the Ox. I still think the most remarkable Th about that song apart from, you know, the greatest scream in rock and roll history is the fact that the final line, meet the new boss, same as the old boss is it's just it's just It just sits at the end. It's not a repeat from anything. it's just it's like a payoff. It's like a climax in the film It's just amazing. And you will remember that you set me up with Adrian Van Clavern W Adriamenan Cllever When he when he became the new head of radio five Is that right? ve live, pardon me. He was.. And I was and he was and I could the show was live and I came in And he was in there. So he was there and you said, Mark meet the new boss and I because I couldn't stop myself said same as the old boss Well, it's like it demands to be done. D sure he would have been should have been very flattered. I mean, when when Bob Shennon hired me at Radio two, having hired me at five Live, it was precisely the correct line. Be that he was was the old was the old boss I've always thought of it as an animal farm kind of reference, but Pumably no by now because I can ask Pete. Yeah istake and U Correspondents arecmo.ot com, dear Emmtts, says DT, on the subject of the various pronunciations of Launston which we were doing last week. You're quite right that in England, obviously it is Lorston. twow syllables. In Cornwall, however, you're more likely to hear it as Lanson. They're fond of this kind of thing, the Cornish, as Mark should know, living the close to Mausl. Basil So is that so Launstone is Lanson, is it I didn't know that. I mean, I do know that mouse hole is maousal. And there that is fairly common. I didn't know that. I mean I've always said launched them because I'm from Barnett you know June says veryy long term listen, but the first time I'm having trouble listening to your awesome takes due to flashbacks of peacock trauma I experienced in twenty twenty two. everyvery time you play the sound of a peacock I am taken back to my daughter's wedding Tully Bowl Castle in Scotland, I apologize if I've got that right The castle is a beautiful venue well known for its numerous peacocks in the ground. We arrived on the Tuesday to stay until Sunday with the wedding on the Saturday. One of the best features within the grounds is the beautiful magical cathedral tree which just sounds like the singing ringing it does to me. But this is presumably not as terrifying. which can be used for the ceremony within the cavernous canopy of the tree As we settled in, we went out to explore the grounds as it was getting dark. eventually ended up entering the tree The ld of the castle saw us from the castle and kindly switched on the tree lights from the castle Peacock had settled in for the night in one of the high branches. Right. Unfortunately the lights coming on literally scared the poo out of it and unfortunately, I was standing directly under it I can assure you that the sound that came out of me was more terrifying than any peacock or bansheee put together Obviously, my family found it hilariously funny and it bode well for good luck for the wedding, which was the best I abbsolutely love your podcasts and keep up the good work apart from the trigger for my trauma Well, that's June, still smelling of peacock poo um. Thank you, Jane. I don't think there are any peacocks in today's show Although Can I just read a very little extra, which is very funny from our group chat because the Komo D Mo's Take has a group chat in which we all You know, say, arere we doing this? Who's doing that? Is he doing that? What's the thing And there was a thing from last Thursday Heather, who's our, you know, brilliant a brilliant person who does a whole bunch of stuff on the show She says By the way, I heard a peacock calling in our village this morning and it gave me a chuckle And then you wrote underneath it. No, that was a baby calling for help and you ignored it Well, it just occurs to me that how can you if they're very, very close, it's quite a dangerous thing Noise worth investigating. And a baby could poo on your head as well. I mean, you know, it's sort of absolutely. Either way, you'll end up covered in poo, right So the overflow car park. Yeahes, some correspondence here about Supergirl. Okay. Superl. This is from Tom in Manchester I heard Mark hadn't seen Superglt, which was trued last week. Yeah was beforefore its late press screenings so felt compelled to write, while reviews in box office suggest it's underperforming I found it perfectly decent, certainly not the disaster that some claim. What's more troubling is the wave of misogyny surrounding the film The volume of abuse aimed at Millie Ocock, Eve Ridley and the idea of women leading superhero films. is alling. this isn't just fringe commentary someome so called professional critics are contributing seemingly unchecked It feels like part of a wider regression After progress in championing women in blockbuster cinema, recent trends, casting imbalances in major franchises and hostile online discourse suggest women are being pushed back to the margins with disturbing enthusiasm. I am exhausted by it. Films like Supergirl deserve the same fair treatment routinely given to mediocre male led counterparts. I hope its performance doesn't deter studios from backing women led stories, We need them now more than ever Tommy Manchester I mean, I have to say, I've been slightly isolated from this because it was that phrase that use online discourse which are like two words that should never be used in the same sentence because the stuff that happens on online is really discourse It doesn't surprise me to hear that there has been I mean I reviewed the film in takeake one and I didn't like it, but I did think that Millie Olcoott was actually pretty good. I thought what I wished was that the film was better. because I think she deserves a better vehicle. But I didn't know there had been I didn't know there'd been a bunch of misogynic abuses but it doesn't surprise me at all because that is very much the way of things. Um But yeah, it's a shame that the movie isn't better I haven't, as I said, I haven't seen that stuff, but then that's because just I just don't go looking for it at all. It's just because you know it's out there and you know, this goes back to the Ghostbusters thing. And I'll I'll say this again, the Ghostbusters reboot I don't care whether you think the Ghostbuses reboot was any good or not. I thought it was fine. I thought it was better than people thought, but there was absolutely no question about the fact that an awful lot of the bile against it. not as people saying it's not a good movie, but the bile against the idea of doing it was nothing other than misogyny. And I think it should be called out when said thanks for that email Tom also says as a PS that he has his own podcast. The out of time film podcast has been doing for six years and they have an upcoming Supergirl episode Okay which explores this further. Okay, cool. is this occurred to me when you were doing the review. Yeah. of Supergirl. And we're back here in live Days. So this is something like two thousand seven, two thousand eight. Yeah, I interviewed Michelle Ryan who is starring in a new version of The Bionic womoman. Oh right, okay At the time, childild two wanted to be an actor, big time and I think had asked to get a signed photo. anyway. So I got a photo from Michelle Ryan, based on the Bonic womoman And the just and she wrote this amazing thing on the back of the photograph which basically, and this is a paraphrase So I haven't got the photograph here It was one of those kind of glossy black and whitees, you know, proper thing And it basically said If there is anything else that you can do that do that rather than be an actor. becausecause being an actor is brutal And That was essentially the message that she sent It's a child too. I mean, I Michellea is still acting and I wish you well, but it What she said was so fantastic because it kind of It forced sort of a reconsideration, I think, Oh, yeah, okay. It's not all glam then No, I mean, I think there is there's well, there's no question. acting at all is brutal. I mean, there's that horrible statistic which is that at any given time. was it ninety three percent of all professional actors are unemployed because it's a freelance profession and jobs are and far between just that's how you work it out. And the other thing is it's absolutely the case that The reason so many people who start as actors then go into writing and directing and producing is because they just get fed up with not having any control over the environments in which they work Even the successful actors that I No. u have all got horror stories about films that they've worked on in which you know, they were in which they weren't in control of of the surroundings around them. And of course, it is infinitely worse if you arere a woman. there's no question about that. I think everybody, I think since me too and Why I see see everything? But people do know that more But it is it is fairly fairly clear that that's the case. and also just in terms of the way in which I said this thing about online discourse The way in which that kind of abuse gets amplified and I' And I'm sorry to sound like a stuck record, but I do think it's important to say this. We live in a world in which the leader of the most powerful country in the world regularly regularly Demeans women in public Hush piggy. be quiet, piggy you know all that sort of stuff. And if you live in a world in which that's the case, and incidentally the I never thought I'd say these words out loud, but you know, well done for the Supreme Court for throwing out his appeal against the Egene Carroll case which they've now said, no, you lost. You have to pay Egene Carroll five million dollars for defaming and sexually abusing her That person is the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world and he literally, as a matter of course demeans women And if you live in that toxic environment, this sort of stuff just gets worse. And I do think it's the old proverb about the fish rots from the head down I do think just I'm aware of the fact that obviously the nature of this program means that we talk to actors and directors who are successful. We review films and TV shows that are available that have got made Thereity not made. but under underneath the surface there will be Thousands and thousands and thousands of actors and people in who who are thinking of giving up because it is such a thankless, thankless task. Yeah No, I agree. I do not understand how anybody ever manages to do it And yeah, I absolutely agree. It is a and I mean, I would last four seconds in that environment. And and just and I kept carrying. Yeah A C couple of thoughts on because we're supposed to be in the in the overflow car. Sorry, sorryry A couple of Toy Story five emails. Yeah Charlie says Longtime list a first time email, I even tracked down Mark's hatchet job as a Christmas gift for my dad. I mentioned this on the Toy Story five review, but wanted to raise it more clearly. Within the disability community online, there is concern about the film's lack of nuance around tablet use as in you know, an iPad. Right For many children today, tablets that kind of tablet are essential accessibility tools, particularly for autistic kids, those with hearing or visual impairment. While older generations may see them as toys, many younger users rely on them daily and already face judgment from peers and even adults. I've seen people recount being pointed at as examples of iPad kids I don't think Pix are set out to harmful, I think that's A it feels like a byproduct of rushed storytelling and a lack of awareness when a major film reinforces the idea that tech use is inherently negative It risks deepening that misunderstanding. I thought it was just worth adding that to the conversation. Thank you very much indeed Charlie for that. And no, that's a very good point. That's a very good point. And in fact, now that you say it, Charlie I can think off the top of my head of three people that I know Um, who absolutely rely on that as a means of communication and for whom Without that means of communication, life will be seriously impaired. So that's a very good point and an anonymous email Dear Buzz and Woody, I've been a member of the church for eighteen years and I've always been stuck with the ways the Toy story movies resonate with parents who watch them with their children. This includes your good selves. Toy Story two that solicited the strongest reaction from both of you, likely because it came out during the time Your own children like Andy were crossing into adulthood. My son is ten now and has enjoyed the company of Jessse, Woody, and Buzz since a very young age But of all the installments, this is the one that most resonates with me at the time of its release Battling the encroachment of screens and clawing to the last vestiges of my kid's childhood Imagination and playtime is a daily struggle. Daily heartbreak In the cinema, my boy leant to me, leaned into me and whispered I promise I won't be like those kids who are stuck on the screen the whole time. And towards the end, he said I want to be like Bonnie and just play with toys I held his hand and cried in the dark. corly and code compliantly. up with empathy and imaginative play. Name reedacted. So isn't that interesting? That's a whole whole, you know, as a repeat of You get out of a movie what you bring to it, and this particular correspondent brought a ten year old to it pull out a whole different message Yeah. and I mean, I you know, we had an email on a on a previous show. From someone who had taken a ten year old or a six year old or something, who had said halfway through, canan we go home and watch the real ones now So the thing the point that this makes for me is firstly, I am delighted that you had that experience because there is nothing profound than that kind of experience. And the second thing is and I cannot say this enough And I don't say it' something which means that my profession is therefore pointless All opinions are subjective and the only The only mistake is to imagine that any opinion is anything other that. Now I used to have a joke that I, you know, live by, which is, you know, the difference the difference is I'm right and you're wrong. And I used to say it because I knew that it was a stupid thing to say. And I've always been of the opinion that if something is stupid, it's funny. and joke's worth doing once, it' worth doing a million times. All opinions are just that If I don't like a movie and if I criticize a movie and then somebody else says, well, I really enjoyed it. inccreasingly, the older I get, the more I think, goodood, I'm really glad I'm really glad you did enjoy it. I wish that I liked the New Toy Story more than I did, but your personal experience of it is your personal experience of it. and that sounds wonderful. And this film spoke to you and it worked for you. And I would also come back to the fact that Dougal and the Blue Cat between you and me is an absolute example are we have known each other for a long time and I think we are on the same page with a lot of issues There's a lot of things that we broadly think the same things about But you couldn't stand that movie and I absolutely love it. And it's not that one of us is right and one of us is wrong. It's just that it means different things to us. Yeah, you saw it at a particular time in your life. Yeah, And you saw it at a particular time in your life, but it just wasn't theular Yes. That is exactly right. Before we get to taxi driver, ye Brother Jim has been back or F Hello brrother Jim He says, Oh my dayayss apologies for my take ultra absence and there for my inability to reply in the live chat to Simon's opening query about religious order dress or specifically that of monks during very hot weather. Yes, My religious order, one that was founded to work in education, is one of the apostolic variety and not the contemplative type typically wear the monkish robes or religious habits, typical of Cadfail or Sean Connnery and Christian Slater, in the name of the roose. Indeed, whilst you were recording your extra hot take, I was myself extra hot, forty degrees Celsius in a T shirt and shorts in the Sou Sol, literally the underground or basement of our conference center, where my religious community lives and works lugging around unwanted furniture, CD's, vinyl LPs, books, and general brickab brracs in preparation for a jumble sale type event here on Saturday Wow. In France, things are further complicated by the anti clericalism that reached fever pitch in the early years of the twentieth century, and that led to all religious orders such as mine, which had been founded in France, to be officially disbanded in nineteen oh three and all religious dress to be forbidden in public But that's a whole other story And the irony is without that expulsion, our brothers would probably never have come to England I would never have had them as teachers in my secondary school in Southampton and I would not have become a teaching brother myself. It's a funny old world Up with liibere and egalatee, but never at the expense of fraternity from Freare Atacker who is brother Jim Very good. Very good. so that's what So this particular monk was just wearing a shortened t shirt. Shortened t shirt. Wow Do you remember there was a there was an Oscar ceremony in which and Oscar winner came onto the stage wearing jeans and you know, won the Oscar and said, thanks very much and went off. And then I think it was Steve Martin who was who was presenting came on and said Sorry, were we allowed to wear jeans? I didn't know. if I'd known, I wouldn't have worn the suit. As ever You can write to us. correspondence at carurbanare. com. What is that? I was going to say what's new and out there, but that doesn't quite work. but No what's old out there. ye. fififieth anniversary reissue of taxi driver. We're in all these fiftieth anniversary reissues now because If like me, you grew up in the nineteen seventies, Of course, this is the period of the fiftieth anniversary reissue and this is taxi driver Um Probably I think, I mean, maybe raging B, but I would say probably the most celebrated Scosessi De Niro collaboration, a tale of God's lonely man stalking the streets of New York, appalled by the fact that, quote, all the scum come out at night basased on a screenplay by Paul Schrader, who reportedly wrote it with a bottle of booze and a handgun on the desk by his typewriter Um The dialogue is quintessential Schrader angst, to kind of, you know, an apocalyptic vision. of New York in which One day a real rain is going to come and wash all the sinners off the streets. De Niro is Travis Bickkele, who is the titular taxi driver whose isolation becomes increasingly maddening And As a result of the isolation, he is kind of driven to develop this harness that allows him to keep a concealed weapon up his sleeve and he could just flip it out into his hand. And D apparently famously prep for the role by driving a taxi around New York, Of course he did because you know he was very much into doing that sort of If I need to know how to do this when you did King of comomedy, you actually did a couple of standup gigs, apparently. So Jodie Foster is the child prostitute who Travis meets somehow becomes embroiled with and makes this resolution to free her from the clutches of a pimp And the whole thing plays out. backdrop of X rated movie theaters, one of which Travis actually takes a date to during one of the most excruciating scenes. But this is all around the period of Times Square being a notorious inverted commerce hell Ho I mean nowadays, it's kind of been cleaned up and you turned into Disneyied theme park. But back then it was the place, which was the dangerous place So classic scenes include, of course the of quoted Are you talking to me sequence, which even people who haven't seen the film, still quote, hereere is that clip. from Taxi driver in which Robert De Niro is looking at himself in the mirror with with his new device and having this conversation You talking to me You talking to me me who the hell? are you talking? talalking to me? Well I'm the only one here L. Do you think you're talking to me? Oh yeah H Sry Listen you screw heads. here is a man who would not take it anymore, who would not let listen you you screw heads Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the dogs, the filth. Here is someone who stood up So that was always going there was always going to have more bird song in it than, you know, than a sunrise. But of course You know, if as I said, even people who haven't seen taxi driver know that. I mean, one of the reasons they know that is that it gets quoted everywhere. It gets quoted on the clashes combat rock And of course, in which want I think it must be Paul Simmonon doinguring the speech. It sounds like that's what it is And of course, the clash have a cameo role in King of Comedy. They are street scum in inverted commas in King of Comedy jeering at Jerry Lewis's guy Jerry Langford during one of the sequences And it's now I have to say, I said this before when we were talking about King of Comedy in a fiveive Qion Film Club. I actually think that King of comedy is the culmination of this Scorscesi D Niro project to you know, to do the God's lonely man thing and this the character who is basically a psychopath and who who has this completely insular view of the world. And I actually and personally, I think that King of Comedy is the greater Uh rendering of that, but King of Comedy wouldn't exist if it wasn't for taxi driver and Taxi driver was the thing that established it. Taxi driver was the thing that because the first time you see taxi driver is a fairly astonishing experience. So there's so much going on One of the things that's going on is Bernard Herman's score Bernet Herman earned one of two posthumous Oscar nominations for a taxi driver. In fact, it was the very last thing that he recorded because he he recorded it And then he finished doing the recording with the orchestra and then he went home. and by the next morning, he had died. And he was then nominated posthumously for Obsession and taxi driver. And as I said, when we did that concert, we did the music from Txture. I mean is when you hear it, I mean When you're watching the film and you hear that main theme and you see the taxi coming out of the steam, the steam with you know coming up from under the roads in New York and it literally looks like some version of Hell Um Apparently Larry Cohen who made God told me to also asked Bri Bern Herman, if Brianermann Bern Herman, he if he would do the score for, God told me to the story is that Hermann watched it and said, God told me not to. anyyway, that may be apocryphal. Taxi driver becomes one of the defining pictures of the nineteen seventies for a number of reasons. firstirstly because it'srilliantly electated. Secondly it's got an amazing score, thirdly it has got that Robert De Niro performance and particularly after his character has become the kind of the vigilante character with the Mohawk, which again also is picked up by Joe Strumer in the clash. It becomes the iconic version. of that particular character, but everything else about it. I mean, Jodie Fos's performance is extraordinary and it is a very, very difficult performance. The character she plays is very, very difficult and she's talked in interviews. about how difficult performance was because there's so obviously the film then leads to this pretty apocalyptic final act. because those things earned such notoriety it is possible to overlook the sheer artistry involved In taxi driver. I imagine that most people have seen it If you have, but you haven't seen it in a theater, it is well worth going to revisit in a theater. I mean it's a very, very dark film. I mean Scorscesi and De Niro They'd done Main Streets before, but they'd go on to do Raging Ball, goodood feellas, you know, more recently Irishman, you know their collaboration has continued throughout both of their careers And of course, De Niro is now very, very outspoken. You know, anti Trump advocate And for some, this is the peak of their collaboration I still think that the peak of their collaboration is King of comedy, but King of comedy only really makes sense in the shadow of taxi driver. Cinematic release should be relative This is what I'm saying. I mean, if you haven't seen it in the cinema, go see it in the cinema, which is where I first saw it. I mean, I didn't see it when it came out, it was nineteen seventy six and I would have been thirteen But I saw it as a late night reissue And and the thing that I was really surprised by because having heard about, Ohh, this is really, really violent because there are things that really violent really, really you know out there is things like the beauty of Bernard Hermman Sore. and that That scene of the taxi coming out of the steam He's Sure Cinema I mean, it is there is something there is real beauty in there Correspondents at covero. com if you do go and see it and want to send us your thoughts. A couple of emails here Sandy Guthrie Um Dear should I stay or should I go? talking of other viewers standing and leaving during the credits at films. Yeah. It's because we were talking about that I mean, it's an ongoing subject, but apparently the Japanese culture is to stay to the end. It's always a bone of contention at the wonderful Chichester cinema in West Sussex However, a couple of years ago, at the Chichester International Film Festival held each August I was watching a French film from the early nineteen sixties. I think it was Jean Pierre Melville's Leon Morin priest. with Jean Paul Belmondo, I think it is. At my age now seventy, timing things to go through longer films without a loo break can be tricky. And while this screening was only pushing two hours, I realized during it that it was going to be touch and go. The film was clearly reaching the climax and so I readed myself to leave quickly as soon as the credits began which I don't usually do closer and closer and then the dramatic conclusion took place and I prepared myself for the necessary dash as soon as the images faded from sight. Then there was one word that appeared suddenly on the screen time If I end. And the lights came on, one word and we were finished. None of the Capper loaders, best boys, catrs and accountants, that's the way to do it keep up all good things that should be kept up uil Andut three. So that's in so no. so that's it. the film finishes One singular word to announce the end of the film And we're off. Well, some cacays we Funn enough I dono whether you remember this. We had a conversation once on this show in response to an audience question about end credits. in which we were all reminded that it used to be credits used to happen at the beginning of the film, and then the film would end the end or fit fat Because at the beginning of the film, you'd have the full list of credits. Nowadays it doesn't doesn't really happen anymore. And it's always really great when it does because it means the end of the film can be, of course I was you know, you know, let's not when we have the stars. Dan bom the end I want to ask a question, which you won't be able to answer. I don'tt think, but to all linguists and French speakers Whide So we have the end It doesn't just say end. But French movies will say f f not L fan Well, I imagine it's linguistic, isn't it? It'll just be it must be but why would it not Who are they friendly There's always a there there, isn't there Yeah, but they were they or laugh Leafin Lafan. I mean, wouldn't but so how come they can just do it with one word? Anyway Hardly the most important issue that comes out of that, But Ael, let us know. And Joe in Bristol, where we're going to do our Christmas show. So come along, Joe Hello, it's not about a shark and it's definitely not about a frog. Following a recent Muppet character swap correspondence,, I thought you'd appreciate the attached photograph of a t shirt I received from friends for a recent birthday. Visual proof where it needed that Kermit would make an excellent chief Brody in Jws being green and down with being orange. So the photograph is a gray t shirt with an image of the shark from Jaws and obviously Kermit. as Chief Brody with glasses on and a fag go Oh look at that Wow you'd happily wear that t shirt. I would happily wear that t shirt. And what a seventies t shirt that is with the Muppets and with How much more seventies could it be? None. Now one frameback, as we've heard in takeake one Mark love Mions and mononsters as they done it So we've been asking for your top love letter to cinema movies U So these this is a selection Mark will pick one to see Adam in London, It's got to be cinema Paradiso, a tribute that perfectly captures how movies shape our emotional development, provide escapism and bind communities together Julian York. I'll go for The Fableman', Spielberg's most personal film is really about the magic of discovering cinema for the first time and how that obsession can end up defining your entire life David Glasgow, for me, it's sing in the rain. Not only is it one of the greatest musicals ever made, it's also a joyous celebration of a pivotal moment in movie history, when Hollywood had to reinvent itself of the sound era Sarah in Bristol has to be Purple Rose of Cairo. Few films capture the allure of cinema quite so beautifully. The idea that for a couple of hours, the screen can become a doorway to another world And Martin in Newcastle, I'd pick Hugo Beneath the adventure story, it's really a love letter to the pioneers of filmmaking and a reminder that cinema's history is every bit as magical as the movies themselves Was't that Scorsesei, Hugo Yeah, Hugo was. and there was an interesting thing with that, which was it was made in three D And one of the reasons that it was made in three D was that it was It was so much of the film was to do with the mechanization thing. And obviously, those early cinema pioneers were experimenting with three D And I remember interviewing Scosi about this. and saying You know, I'm imagining that the way that you you're working this is that because the film is actually about those kind of projection Machinations that it makes sense with the narrative for that to work. And he went, well, yeah, that that's the way I kind of adjust it because it was at the period in which everybody had to make a three D movie, but you really had to have a good reason for doing it in order for it to be sort of artistically justified. and that was the reason If you had to pick one of those, what would you watch tonight? Well, that's partly because I've just come back from Croatia. I was at the Pontalopos film Festal and the whole thing was a tribute to Enem Maraconi. And u It was this was all put together by Susanna Pedich, who was this brilliant music editor. And u at the beginning of the festival, they showed Chinamaparadiso And then at the end of the festival, they had an open air concert of the music of Annie Moriconi. and of course you know, it's the kind of it's the perfect match of those two things. So because of the mood I'm in at the moment I'm going to go for C my Paladiso because it' it is it's the kind of the bringing together of a director and a composer who are completely in sync. And of course, it is the great love letter to cinema literally because That final sequence is all about Cinema's own relationship with love. Thank you very much to all the cat owners who got in touch to explain What I was struggling to explain last week, which was the reference to a cat as a loaf and or Reerence to an animal there' a loaf and I would wonder if that might have been a foal and it was just like a typoe Yeah, but no, it's the position that a cat assumes and and so it looks like a loaf. So Alex, along with many others So I was listening to your Fine podcast as I was getting ready for school and found my cat Bill doing this O it clears up any confusion. Yeah. Basically all the legs cat looks like all the legs under the body. So the cat just appears to be a loaf of fur It still looks nothing like a loaf of bread that I've ever bought, but if you w to do that, then that's fine Correspondent at Kermanaayo. com five Qion film cllub. Three questions, Your Majesty Last week Mark introduced Gregor is girl I did. Jane says, watchatch Gregory's girl after hearing it mentioned Last weekek I absolutely loved it. Funny, charming somehow feels completely timeless. Can't believe it took me this long to find it to see it Hannah Jay finally caught up with Gregory's Girl after last week's recommendation, I could appreciate why it's such a beloved film But I'm not sure it quite clicked with me. Glad I watched Though some genuinely lovely moments. What does it take for something to be referred to as beloved? And it's not beloved? Its everyable tonight Yeah a person becomes Beloved Yeah, that's V is beleloved. A book is Boved. But it's one of those things it's like it's like national treasure. Yes. Yeah. Great minds think alike. It's like national treasure. That's exactly what it's like Yeah Anyway, Rinder, you could watch all of Mark's intros to every fiveive Qion Film Club mo the page. Thank you. This week's choiceices Orlando on MBI How to get ahead in advertising which is on Film four and Psycho, which is on BabC IiPler. Yeah Um So the votes were like this. Orlando got fifteen percent. of the vote, how to get ahead in advertising thirty percent And Psycho fifty four percent. And according to what is now referred to as the Children of Men amendment to this feature last week You can't twist because the winning vote achieved more than fifty percent of the vote. Okay. so it is So that's it. So So we're talking about psycho, is that Yes? Yes, I'm perfectly fine with that anyway. Yeahah honestly, I would have gone with that anyway because I have much to say Okay. Duncan either Duncan Island or Duncan in Ireland, Psycho for me caught it on BC the BBC last week, even though it's become Hitchcock's most famous and most parodid best for me because that would be a toss up between Do one take madness of rope, the conceit of rear window or the almost supernatural atmosphere of erttigo. Verttigo. The way that psycho subverts the traditional narrative structure two weeks narrative structure I had come to expect in Hollywood films has a lot to do with its lasting appeal. It's a very, very long sentence Dunan lots of clauses, but very well constructed Despite the infamous shower sequence being parroted to death over the last sixty years, it still manages to retain its power to shock. Skip Gal says when watching it the first time, it's scary. After multiple viewings you want Marian to not take that exit off the main road, you fear for her. It's nerve wracking because you feel helpless. Now when she's in the hotel and Hitch slows the action, you know and you know who Norman Bates is and exactly what he's going to do, you still feel helpless. He will kill her and there's nothing you can do. The scenes become psychological in nature, but you still don't understand why he does what he does This is why it has staying power and warrants repeated viewing. Yeah. So Three introduction points about Psycho This is Alfred Hitchcock's most famous thriller, starring Anthony Perkins. As Norman Bates and Janetee as Marion Crane. what begins as a story about a stolen forty thousand dollars turns into something far stranger and far more disturbing The shower Murder is one of the most analyzed scenes in cinema history. It lasts less than a minute on screen It was created from dozens of individual shots and completely changed what audiences thought was possible in mainstream Hollywood film And Hitchcock went to extraordinary lengths to stop spoilers getting out Cinemas were instructed not to admit anyone after the film had started And audiences were urged not to reveal the ending. In many ways, it was the original Don't tellell anyyone what happens Movie campaign Here we go with the five questions. Three questions. Qion Question number one, what is the film actually about This is an interesting thing because in the course of my making film documentaries, I interviewed both Robert Block, who wrote the original novel of Psycho Copies of which were bought and then hidden destroyed by Hitchcock so that people didn't have the novel in circulation. And Jose Stefano, who who wrote the screenplay for Psycho. So I can with some authority say that as far as the creators conered obviously I didn' interview Hitchco U Robert Block said It's about the fear. person next door. It's about the thought that the person sitting next to you be the killer. It's about fear of the boy next door. And Joe Stefano said, you know, that's exactly what it is. The reason it terrifies you is because Norman Bates just looks Mica you know, this funny little mummy's boy. And although we've now got used to that idea, that idea was and we'll address this in a little bit, particularly why that idea had traction at that point, But it's about the fear of the person sitting next to you What made it groundbreaking? of so many things I mean, it inadvertently laid the groundwork, excuse me. In inadvertently I't know why I'm suddenly I'm notoking up because I'm just so overwhelmed by you know by emotion from psycho It inadvertently laid the groundwork for an entire genre of slasher movies. If you think about it, I mean, it's the big daddy of Halloween movies. Just in the literal sense, and of course, the Halloween movie star Jamie Lee Curtis, whose mother, Janet Lee, is such an important part of Psycho. but also because it was the kind of key early text in a slew of horror films that were inspired by the legacy of Ed Gein, the Wisconsin ghoul. Now the reason I said that thing about the Robert Block, it's the fear of the boy next door. The Ed Gean Wisconsin Ghoul story is This guy who just seemed like this completely normal me slightly odd, but normal bloke was turn turned out to have been somebody who was living with corpse skins and you know, making clothes from skins and was a gve grave robber and, you know, somebody who who was doing terrible things, but was doing them under the The guys were apparently being normal. and that story had real cache in the press. Then when Robert Block turned it into a novel, he took inspiration for that. although obviously that Norman Bates is very, very unlike E the character of A G Also, it's groundbreaking because of the fact that it kills off its star in the first act I mean, the all the publicity for the movie lent very much into the fact that it starred Janet Lee And people did not know that Janet Lee gets it in the motel very, very early on in the film. That was you know that email is said, you want Marion to not take that turn off the highway because the minute you get to the Bates motel, you know how it's going gonna to work. Well, yes, you do now, but you didn't then. People genuinely did not think that there was any way that Janet Lee's character wasn't going to live There are other little things. It is often alleged that it's the first mainstream movie to depict a toilet flushing. I have no idea whether that's true or not. I hear it repeated all the time But what that says is that there's something really disreputable about it. I mean, Hitchcock was a very fated director But the movie was an exploitation movie. And that's why I say it has this weird thing that it's groundbreaking in as much as not only does it do all these other things, but that it sets in motion a really disreputable form of cinema, which is splatter cinema, which is slasher cinema. I mean, yes, you've got your Herschel Gordon Lewis' and all the rest of it, but you've still got Halloween sequels being made in the relatively recent past. and all those huge franchises, which all saw Psycho as the big daddy Question number three, what should we pay particular attention to? I think the music, I mean, obviously I'm particularly in the mindset of this because I wrote a book about film music But One of the things that happens in the film is it opens with that chord, which is now sort of gone into history as the Hitchcock chord, which it's a minor major seventh And it goes done, done, done done And then then the d D D d d. And the thing about the minor major seventh is that in the words of Bernard Herman, He says, after the main titles, you know that something terrible must happen. The main titles tell you and that's the function to set the drama And he says that that hammered cord, that bam, bum, bum bum Qote, It tells the audience who don't know that something terrible is going to happen to this girl that it has got to happen Now that chord, there's been so much written about what it is about that chord and the intention in that chord because it's got these elements you know, the minor major seventh chord. and honestly, if you heard it You'd know immediately. Somebody just played it to you, you go, Yeahah, I know where I've heard that before because it's got this weird inattension of something unresolved and unsettling and uneasy. And the music is so much more than just just the stabby stringsuring during the shower scene Question number Oh yeah, I have to remember. Yeah. ere wasas that your answer to three or four? Yeah, that was three. So question number three, what scene explain the film's power, which I suspect you might have referred to already? Well, the shower scene. And again, there's many reasons for that. One of them, of course, now is the which everyone thinks of as the defining sound of psycho. Incidentally many people will know Hitchcock originally wanted that scene to play silent And in fact, that scene was storyboarded by Saul Bass, who I interviewed several times actually The interesting thing is that the scene exists in the storyboards in almost exactly the way that it appears on screen. So every single thing about it is pre plananned And there was a while in which people would say, well, you know, you can argue about Hitchcock directing that scene. But that scene is just as much directed by Saul Bass in the storyboards Um It's really fascinating you know, there have been entire movies made about that sequence. There's that thing that documentary sevenenty eight fifty two or whatever it's called But the other thing is it's not just that that that that you hear that stabby thing. It's that when Hitchcock was doing it, he said The whole thing has to be silent. It has to be silent with only the sound of what's going on in the thing. And then they put it all together and they laced it and they did it exactly as it had been storyboarded with every single shot. I mean implying that you'd seen stuff that you hadn't seen. And then he played it And it didn't work And Bernard Herman, who had already been working on the orchestration, said, well've I've got something for that. And Hitchcock said Okay, well And Herman played the E. And Hitchcock went, That's brilliant. P that on it. And Herman said to Hitchcock But I thought you said that the scene had to be silent. And Hitchgcott replied, improper suggestion, dear boy. improper suggestion It's a good phrase Finally question number three, why does this film still matter? because everything that followed was influenced by it The first time I saw it was at the School Film Society when the hardest kid in school, Barry, passed out during a screening of Psycho I mean, it literally fainted, fainted dead away. So from my point of view, it's like, wow, this is the best movie I've ever seen. It's been analyzed within an inch of its life. I mean, there was that art installation, that Douglas Gordon thing, you know, twenty four hour psycho in, which played Psycho slow down so that the whole thing lasted over twenty four hours and go, Hey, you know what?'s amazing Wow, if you look at Psycho slowed down, it's like theres such tention to detail. You go, Yeahah, no kidding. We all knew that anyway. Anyone who knew anything about cinema and horror in particular knows that every single scene, ye Thankk you for taking twenty four hours to tell me what I already knew, which is that it's an amazingly constructed piece of cinema that people will study forever and ever because of its economy. I mean it was stripped down production. It was made cheaply. It was shot largely by the people with whom he'd been doing his TV work His career had gone off the boil. I mean, it is the textbook of how you go back to square one. and start again with small resources So Psycho is on BBC iPlayer. Let us know what you think once you've had a look at that. and send your thoughts to correspondents at kbiname. comot We'll regroup next week to see what you thought of it. Check out our Patreon page for next week's poll and our next film choice. Okay, so we have time for one more feature, but fortunately it has its own music J Joanna says within is a bit of a gloomy start mat. Okay Okay Within five to ten years, video and audio generation will be indistinguishable from reality cost next to nothing to make and can be created in a matter of seconds I've been thinking about how within the next ten years, we will have completely lost trust in anything we see and hear online Wow What are some other things that are highly likely to happen in the next ten years that everyone is completely ignoring Well, there's a dinner party conversation. You know, if you had Ed Norton, Olivia Wilde and Seth Rogan and Penelbrey Cruise round and you started with that Chances are they'd all walk out. however you' ations ship is So u Well, I think there's a problem in I mean, I think there's a problem in the question, which is I don't think there is one that everyone is completely ignoring because it would seem to me that the that the the obvious issue is global warming andate the climate emergency which is which is being ignored by important people. That's the thing. A lot of it's a question of whether powerful people can can be persuaded that it's actually happening because everyone you know all the scientific community. So apart from Apart from the obvious fact that the world is going to catch fire Yes What else The So the only other thing and we had a listener wrriting about this Either last week or the week before and that is loneliness and I wondered if I have never I'm just throwing it out as a question, really which is not much of an answer. but I wonder if we're getting more lonely Inasmuch as we are less communal. then, you know, for, you know, home entertainment, we don't have to go to the movies you can work from home There are, you know, fewer people getting married. I don't I have no evidence for this at all. but obviously we can work from home. Obviously you don't need to leave the house to be entertained. So maybe there's an epidemic of loneliness. I don't know, but is there anything anything else you can think of over the next ten years that everyone's ignoring Well, I think the My own feeling about this is You know, you mentioned the big the big headline is climate change, but it's, you know, its it's not being ignored. It's just being denied in certain horrible circles and and you know I know we keep coming back to Trump but when you have the Trump admistation standing up and going, Well, it's just a hoax. Whilst literally the planet's on fire, it's terrifying. I think that one thing that is going to happen, you know, I always remember Tom Hanks saying, you know, this two shall pass. And it is true that in ten years, Trump will be gone. I mean, Trump will be gone in two years but you know, this this century's legacy will live on do think that America's standing in the world collapsing do think that America are our reliance upon America and the allegiiances that were formed in the wake of the Second World War are in flux in a way that I find quite terrifying. But I think in ten years time, America's position in the world will be greatly degraded Um I think the loneliness thing is interesting, particularly because in relation to the email that we had earlier on from somebody who was saying that for the neurodivergent community actually online interaction or tablet interaction, whatever is a cure for loneliness Um And I think I mean, I just I find it so hard I find it so hard to look at the fact that climate change is so tangibly, really happening and happening right now this minute And it's not just the thing that we're talking about all the time, but then We had a conversation last week, I think it was, in which somebody said, you know, why don't you like Elon Musk? And you said very eloquently Amongst the things that Elon Musk has done is shutting down the U.S AID program, which will result in Aless death You know And those sort of systems that have at least put a sticking plaster over some of the most terrible issues in there are falling apart and they're being And I think I think that's that's the thing. It's like we all we're all trying not be doom laden about it. I I think it's really important to be positive about it, but I do think that the climate change thing is the headline, isn't it? So ye. So Joanna, I think the answer to your question is I'm not quite sure that there is anything that everyone is ignoring It's difficult to find consensus and long term thinking is very, very difficult, but I think That scenario that you paint is scary. I wonder if the whole deep fake thing that in a few years time, maybe not even that. that if I showed you a video of I had some film taken on my camera of a famous person doing something terrible to someone else Your instinctive reaction would be that's fakeake fake have a photograph. but it also it might be. that actually might be true. I know that was started by you know who, but it may well be that if there's an incredible image or an incredible sequence that you've got on camera, may well, you know we will not know what to believe. anymore But it's not like nobody is talking about that. People are talking about it So this is not sure we but anyway, in my to hots says AI scraping and stealing other people's work. Is it completely different to what, for example, authors, artists or filmmakers do when they get an education in what has gone before and use that inform what they themselves create Where is the line between being inspired by others and just stealing in the AI discussion does feel different But I'm not sure if I can put my finger Why ' whichich is a very interesting question. Yeah, I've got a very specific response to this. So one of the things that happened in the Prontal Lope of Film Festival was there was an artist who did a presentation about a new form of art that he had developed, which was robot painting. okay And this is a paintbrush held by a robotic arm that paints paints things And he was talking about it's a means of mass production. that whereas before, he was a painter. He comes from a lot, lot of different things. He did graffiti art and he did his other art, and he was a painter himself. He developed this thing in order to do something that he called effort collollapse, which was to take the effort out of making art. that you were making something you could reproduce you know hundreds and hundreds of times, and each one was an original But you've taken the effort out of it. and therefore, this was a great thing because it freed up. And he was asking about how people felt about this. And obviously, some people feel okay, and some people feel, I'm not sure about that whatsoever. And I said, well, I think one of the problems is that sometimes the effort is the point. The effort is absolutely the point. And I said like Mark Jenkin making films the way he does there might be an easier way of doing it, but then he wouldn't he wouldn't be doing the work. He wouldn't be doing the learning. Now in that Letter you say learning from or education The difference is with AI, it's not doing that. It's not learning or educating. what it's doing is stealing It's literally plagiarizing. It is electronic plagiarism. Now, if you just fessed up and said that that's what it is in the same way that you know when Warhol was doing screen prrints The whole point was, look, it's a reproduction of a reproduction of a reproduction and that raises a question about what the commodification of art means So the question is inherent in the subject matter. But in the case of AI, it isn't. In the case of AI, it's just theft. That's all it is. Okay, so let me apply this to myself The three Yeah, okay. So let me pick three very influential radio presenters. Okay Okay Pale St right. Y And Les Ross, who I used to on BRMB and I think you talked about that lotah Yeah. Okay. If I had then tried to be let's say, Leesros, if I had tried to sound like Leesaros and I was kind of Id got it right and I was not perfect be theft that would be U I wouldn't have added anything to the pot. But I think if you can take all the things that have influenced you, let's say Jh Pill, Steveright Lz Ros No Es, everyone else and then put it into a big melting pot and produce something else, which is clearly born from this and becomes that. You have to add something different to the pot and you will have film critics that will have inspired you Yeah And you and you might look back and think, oh yeah, I can see that I was influenced by A B and C. But if you were just trying to be Barry Norman, which obviously you wouldn't be. But if you would that would be what AI is doing. It's just nicking it putting it over there If you are adding something in and turning it into something that's different, then Maybe that's the point, I think. Yes, and that could comes down to thing but generative EI AI EI generative AI is that what exactly is it generating And what it is generating is a facsimilarly a copy. And I'm quite happy with art that is done like that when it's drawing attention to the fact that that's what it's done because it's raising a question of commodification. we go back to the review of that film, Tim's Vermer you know, and it asks You know, how brilliant it was for me as eye and how much was he actually enhanced by well early photography and projection. That's fine. That's inspiration, but what AI is doing is just simply stealing and reproducing So I think we just got time for one more. And actually it's a question from Simon Brew, who we have referred Hello Simonrw times Helloim Dear Z and it it continues the futuristic themely D Zx Spectrum and Commodore sixty four Butusting this finds you both well To matters in hand, in my opinion, you are both giving generative AI a much easier ride than it deserves. So actually pase feel all linked Okay This isn't so much a hill I die on, M one my career and many others is already dying on Okay Forgive the plug, but in twenty eighteen, I launched Film Story's Print magazine followed by Film Jior Both were built around opportunity giving new writers a paid foot in the door. Thanks to some advertising, film industry support and brilliant allies yourselves included We've given over two hundred people a chance, aged seven to eighty two Plus launched a successful website full of stories not told elsewhere Fast forward to twenty twenty six, most major film websites have gone or diminished Magazines are closing, writers are leaving. There are many reasons, but generative AI is the big one a specific example My colleague, Ryan, uncovered the story of a lost nineteen eighty two. ten million dollars science fiction film, Space Blasters interviewed its writer. Croer of Tron and later Fern Gully the last rainforest. produced a detailed feature. Within twenty four hours Traffic collapsed because Google AI summary lifted the work sererved it directly and took the audience and ad revenue We didn't get a clip Multiply that across original journalism and the model becomes unsustainable Yeah beforefore even getting to environmental concerns or it's creeping ubiquity Generative AI is the biggest single threat to independent publishers online I can't afford to challenge multib billion dollar companies helping themselves to our work while diverting readers away that film stories in Film Junior continue is down to loyal support and we're fortunate, but it's never been harder because we've changed, but because others have So he signs off up with human beings down with what you can probably guess, this emergency mail was one hundred percent written by a human being that human being was Simon Broud Well Yeah. I mean, that's notes from the front line, basically. And what Simon did and I you know Simon is one of the good guys. Simon setting up film stories and then also the junior version of that was done by somebody who loved cinema and loved film journalism and wanted to celebrate all that was good about it And it is absolutely The case that what he's saying is that economic is an economic reality. and that is a really brilliant example of just how devastating it can be that you do all the work, you do all the foot, you do all the stuff And then the technology just steals it And I think We've run out of tape, so we have to stop. But I do think that there's an audience out there that was softened up by the fact that that U They expect Ns and music to be free Yeah. because it's there and it's online. And so therefore, when stuff disappears, like magazines that you have to pay for, they go, okay, well wasn't I'll find it for free And the fact is that you can. So I think the audience is softened up and now Genitative AI is just reaping its inevitable reward. Yeah And on that cheerful note, would you like a shherbt lemon? I've got some shherbt. I' love a shherbert lemon send Can you send it down the line? I've got an emergency model which I can use in times of emergency emergency shirts. Yes. So if you have an encouraging and Optimistic question. Boyi Yeah, I know but they had a theme, didn't they really? They did. They did. did. Hey look, and we might have got a whole lot wrong. in which case, please feel free to tell us that we're talking tootal nonsense. U Should I just say what' say one final thing, one final thing, okay? I know this is pathetically British, all right when we were interviewing Ed Norton and Olivia Wilde, okay in that interview, and this is just a linguistic thing, okay? And you were saying, look, it's amazing. you're all so color coordinated,, because it almost like theyd they'd they'd matched in with the thing. And Ed Norton said, Yeah, can you see Olivia's pants I know and I did think and I would that would be really rude wouldn't? Is it? Yes, I can see your pants. I know just I let it go. No, I know, we both let it go because we're both too polite to have gone Okay, I'm now going to I found a more cheerful way to finish. so I't I bet everyone has stopped now B damn because there's nothing they're thinking, okay, you are so miserable. Everything is so gloomy, I might as well Just go out in the garden and drink a bottle of champagne We'll finish with this, okay from Rob in Essex. I just find something different In last week's question Smitht An emailer Jacob ased for your recommendations for the goodood films to watch in hospital. Remember Y I out the movie doctor's book. Well, last month, my nan passed away at the grand old age of ninety eight. She had had a stroke and been admitted to our local NHS hospital where she was taken great care of during her last week She was in a coma and people are now thinking, this is the cheery one.. Tld early on that she wasn't going to recover. She was placed on end of life support. sorry, I said this would be cheery and it doesn't sound as though it is. Moved to a private room where her family and friends were able to come and go and we were able to stay with her overnight The room had one of those TV's on an adjustable arm that you could position above the bed. We wondered if you could tune in into a radio station on it so Nan could have some background music to listen to. And while searching through the menus, we found the preloaded films It was an interesting choice, starting positively with the ballad of Wallace Island However, of the nine other films on there, seven were horrors, including together and bring her back where spoilers, a mother attempts to bring her dead daughter back to life. It also had twenty eight days later where o technically infected, run around killing people, and this felt particularly inappropriate considering it starts with Killian Murphy waking in a ransacked hospital after an operation We saw the funny side as I'm sure Nan would have done as well Not sure who's doing the curation of these films at the moment, but I prefer your recommendations. Perhaps you could step in and supplement the huge amount of money you earn from the Iy Witter app. So I know from hospital radio, which is where I was couple of years back There's a whole bunch of music you don't play because it's inappropriate Yes. Anthing about death, suffering, all country music is banned. You can't believe that. So I think no what, no one is listening because we've been going on for too long, but I think you and I could quite let's say We will personally curate A movie service of movies that are appropriate to show on repeat in hospital where there is no death, no injury, no illness, and doctors and nurses are only shown in a positive light. Yeah. Do you think that's right? Yeah Let's start with minions Okay. So that so it's out there. I don't suppose there's anyone left, but if you want one Mark and I will curate a hospital film service for free. With no death, injury or anything inappropriate, which is going to be better than showing a movie where a mother attempts to bring her dead daughter back to life. for heaven's sake slightly more cheerful. That brings this week's proceedings to a close and I will leave you with Ed Nrton's question Simon Can you see Olivia's pants could actually.