Poor Devil and Mainstream Recognition

Pride Month is important for us so we can allow students to understand that your space in this world is important. They have to feel the freedom to be who they are. Everyone needs a voice that they are comfortable with. My wish for all my students is to have a positive journey. It is my job to empower them. It's okay to be exactly how you are. It's okay to be different. You are going to be respected. You are going be loved unconditionally Insurance isn't one size fits all. That's why drivers have trusted Progressives name your price tool for years. Just tell progressive what you want to pay and they'll show you coverage options that fit your budget. Visit progressive. com to find a car insurance rate that works for you. Progressive casualty insurance Company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law. There's no place to escape to. This is the last h. on the left. Eolism started What was that Andangangah y Atkins. Oh is that what I was trying to figure out the Susy Atkins voice. It's been a while since I even thought it. You're gonna. O is it more Jan? It's like for sure for more sure. I think it' more Jan. Yeah, yeah. God. I really the Manson girls F more like tough thanike when you listen to them talk, like Charlie Manson is the fucking genius man in this fucking world. Ain't nobody gonna take Manson down. It's kind of crazy to see tiny little ladies going like, I'll kill a fuckking police officer for Charlie. He's my Christ. Yeah. He's my Satan in arms. Yeah, they're all hot chicks that ate rocks. you know They weren't as hot as you. you know, when you look back on, they itir. They' younger man's energy.. I bet you clean them little Manson girls up and you take them anywhere you want.ust me. Welcome to last about guests on the left, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Marcus Barks. I'm here with Henry Zabrowski, and I'm taking a swwiffer to the Manson girls That my job is scrubbing them up, scrubbing them down, getting them ready for ends consumption. We've got the man who will give any woman a chance. it's Ed Larson. All right, here comes the hose. They're twigy, who's it one of them? They're snezy tr dony It is a lot ofem. You're thinking a squeaky fro you're thinking of a squeaky And here we are at Anton Leveay, part three part three of Four. We're going to get into it. We are doing Satanism ully Yeah, and Anton Levey fully because it's not just Anton Levee. That's the thing about Satanism. it's not just him. it's everybody around him. There's so many fascinating stories within the story of Anton Levee. Also, if you come to believe Anton Levee, which I do over time, he evenush even positions himself as one of the least important people within the organization. Yeah is when he starts it, the whole thing is like Oh no, what have I done? The Se he starts it. It's all like, o fuck, these losers are coming, which is where we've hit right now. I really go back and forth on him the whole time. L this guy's a fucking schmook. And I's like, I get it. Yeah like Yeah of course. And you know what? That's by design. Yeah So when we last left Anton Levee, the year was nineteen sixty seven. And the Church of Satan had publicly established itself using Anton's infamous Black house as the church's headquarters, right in the heart of San Francisco While Anton Levet's theatrical style and freedom forward ideas were attracting celebrities like Jane Mansfield, the Church of Satan also began to cross paths with far more infamous characters, entirely by coincidence See by nineteen sixty eight, Anton Leveay expanded ceremonies beyond the Black House to public occult ritual performances and other venues. And in February, he chose a lounge club called GG's in San Francisco as the site of a highly produced ritual called The Witch's Sabbath. And the keywd is produced. Yes Amongst other moving parts, one aspect of the performance called for a bare breasted young woman to jump out of a coffin and walk around acting like a vampire on stage. Fuck yeah. Levet thought that he'd found the perfect girl for the role after seeing an eighteen year old dancing at a local topless bar, a girl who called herself Sharon King History, however, knows Sharon King better by her real name. Sharon Stone.. No, Susan Atkins. Yeah, Sm. Yeah just the idea. I know Aunton Levee had a type, but her going like Bos honey. Y bz honey. Sharing King was her group sex name. Yeah ' she was the Sharing King. Well, if the name Susan Akins doesn't ring a bell. Susan Akins, AKA sexy Sadie. I'm the sexy one. I'm a sexy one. I'm the one to bring out G, here's some lisery. We got some spicy beer. S spit it out.. She was the only member of the Manson family present at all three murder scenes. It's Gary Hemman, the Tate Massacre, and the La Bianca massacre. And it was Susan's bragging in jail on car theft charges that eventually led authorities to link the Tate Lobbianca murders to Charles Manson, central figure in the Manson story J just a couple of years earlier, Susan Atkins was just another abandoned child of the nineteen sixties who'd made her way to San Francisco as a teenager But instead of joining the love and peace side of the fllower generation, Akins had become a stripper at seventeen and lived an extremely reckless life of drugs and sex. Judg, judgy J? It's reckless. Do you know how reckless you gotta be to get a case of gonorrhea so bad that you gotta be hospitalized? Yeah, the doctor didn't understand. When I saided him my gonorrhea, my gonorrhea said hi. This is supposed to be yellow, not great.ang. Congratulations to me, are.. After she was cured and released They needed to bring in a priest. take a priest and they came in and they blessed me kit you and the demon jumped out of me and into him After the gonorrhea was cleared up, Susan Atkins met Charles Manson in San Francisco, shortly following Charlie's release from prison. Iility tell, let me guess. you're just freshly clean, right? I can tell I a sign capability to tell when goonorrheaas just left the body You smell antibiotics on a woman.. And now you got you went to a doctor for that and there was no you're no way to be Well this was back when Charles Manson was just an older guy in his early thirties with a guitar and a good line of bullshit Incredibly though, not long after Atkins met Manson, Anton Levey noticed Susan Akins dancing at her club, and Levey figured that she'd be perfect for the role of the vampire girl in his new public ritual performance at Gig', set to premiere in February of nineteen sixty eight. There's a distinct difference between the public performances and the stuff that Anton Leveay and his inner crew would do do at this time period. And that is here really the distinct difference is that he was obviously a PR machine. Yeah. So a lot of this really was Straight up performances. Yeah. This is all about advertising. It's attention. Would he charge a cover? Yeah Oh, God, yes. twoo dollars fifty cents. So it's a show. It's, it's one hundred percent a show. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this show it had reviews. like the newspapers came out. You know what you call it. The term would be psychop punk It was the idea of doing a thing that was kind of an example of your magic So after being invited back to the Black House to participate in dress rehearsals for the Witch's Sabbath show at GG's, Susan Akins reportedly got spooked by all the trappings of the Satanic church. It's so funny. She was actually too scared to perform her part on stage until of course someone gave her a tab of acid. I mean my acid, I only perform when I have my acid. I gotta have it! go God just fucking her just so scared! Wh scared one of the fireplace? scared of the wood Blue sunshine, I ask for orange sunshine. what I like I'm allergic to the orange. She's an eighteen year old. She's an idiot. Wildly hallucinating, Susan Atkins got into a coffin wearing two inch long red fingernails and a jet black wig. And when it came time for her to pop out in the middle of the psychopomp She did her best as the bare breasted vampire. Yeahire. I don't drink. Yeah. Yeah I. Yeah I'm time am I cam' vamp. Yeah, Im. I how to do this. But since both audience and newspaper reviews for the Witch's Sabbath were lukewarm at best, that was the end of Anton's working relationship with Susan Ackins and the end of Susan's involvement with the Church of Satan. Soon after though, the house where Susan Atkins and Charles Manson were living in San Francisco got raided by the police. So Manson asked Atkins if she wanted to join him for a summer road trip down to Los Angeles They were gonna drive down in a converted school bus with all the other lost souls Manson had gathered in San Francisco since he'd arrived This course was the first iteration of the Manson family They would all soon settle at Spawn Ranch and by August of nineteen sixty nine, just eighteen months after Akins performed in LeVe's show, Akins was writing the word pig on Sharon Tate's front door with Sharon's own blood. It's all about coming to play where the work is Yeah That's what all that's what Hollywood's always been about. It's where the work is and that's where you go. So of course you got picked up that quickly because you went where it was. If you're if Sharon Tate was in San Francisco. she'd carve out the baby there. Yeah No you got to come to Los Angeles. How many of people got murdered in tape? There's five, five or six You know, it sucks for everyone else that wasn't a hot blonde like movie star. They just they're just lumped it in the tape murder. Oh Abigail. Yeahah, Abigail Folger, Stehven Parent. there was was a Woycheck Frikowski a sharon's job to fuckking know their name. Yeah. they t but one was really sad. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. ye was The other ones were just, you know, obviously just acceptable losses. Yeah. Stehven Parent was just there to buy a radio from a guy that lived in the back house. like he was just a complete like completely wrong place at the wrong time. Whoy Jack Frankkowski was kind of in love with Sharon Tate, Abigail Folger was just she was a an heir she was the heiress of the Folger fortune Fger cooffee. Yeah. And they were just all there hanging out because Roman Pansky was out in I think London Scouting for I think a dolphin movie. Sound really stupid. I will so I'm gonna to take that back immediately because I said a you know, the other ones were acceptable losses. they weren't. The only acceptable loss that's ever been was that God fororsaken meddling waiter when he got between OJ and Nicole, my favorite couple. Listen, man, I'm not gonna take this bad talk on waiters ye. I've been a waiter. Oh it was a bad one, but guess what you didn't do? Meddle in the affairs of the Hall of F. Now Anton Leveay certainly commented on his association with Susan Akins, as he did with any infamous character who crossed his path. Susan Atkins was not even close to the last one. Yeah, he probably fucking loved it Yeah Well, I mean, he said that Susan's downfall came mostly because of drugs, which was a fair point, because events with the Manson family certainly would not have gotten as out of hand as they did without the excessive amount of assid that Manson was providing to family members. Of course, whether or not Manson was being provided that asset by the CIA is another matter altogether. L We'll get into it. We are doing that. We are doing it. Yeah. Leve actually That's great. Yeah. Yeah, fuck yeah. come on. just fuck the CIA assid. Dude, we have someange orrange sunshine. Is that what it is? Yeah, that's the CIA. That's that's CIA made, baby. All right. well, you know the PO box there You want to send a rainbow? Leveay actually had no sympathy whatsoever for the kids who fell under Manson's spells. Nor did he care for the unwashed masses flocking en masse to San Francisco in the late sixties, sameame time that he was trying to build the Church of Satan Anton called Susan Atkins an average hate street burnout, flaky, and made to order for someone like Charles Manson to control But really, that is what sets Lavet apart from people like Charles Manson and what makes Lvet just kind of a bad person rather than a figure of evil From what it seems like, Leveay never wanted to control anyone, or at least he never wanted to control people collectively. Control comes with responsibility. And as the story goes on, we'll see that responsibility was the last thing Antom Levee ever wanted Anton Leveay viewed responsibility is coming hand in hand with hypocrisy because at some level as a boss, you're going to have to do things that are against your own rules because you have to set up Oh because they are for me enough for the. It just how it happens. So he specifically never wanted that shit. He never wanted it. He thought this is what we'll get obviously as we go This was all supposed to stay local. Yeah. It was supposed to stay local. and I think it was just supposed to stay theatrical. Yeah. I think it was supposed to be like a theatrical thing, but you know, we're we're going to get into pretty soon about what happens when you let the nerds in the door. Always Now as the Church of Satan grew in popularity and membership, so too did the rituals and the organization, becausecause Anton Levay quickly surmised that the rituals were what got him the most press and the most attention So on may twenty third, nineteen sixty seven, Anton LeVvee held the first public Satanic Baptism, using his three year old daughter Zena as the Baptisonde, as it's called.. According to Levet, the ceremony was designed to delight the child by welcoming her into a world of indulgence with the sights and the smells that she liked instead of being dunked in water, which is usually a terrifying experience. I don't know if the two of you were you know almost drowned. Yeah I wasized. Yeah Yeah, I was a baby. I. But I watched my My nephew do it recently and he was screaming like a fucking lunatic. and I literally looked at Julie and I was like, I get it. I watched my dad do it in his thirties and I was like, I'm not doing that ever. ' he got baptized late or late Did late. No, he got baptized late. Yeah. Yeah fuck that It didn't, yeah yeah. Didn't take No Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah They tried to do it again to me, but it was hard to get past my fist. Yeah Daddy Yeah! shot dad. I'd rather you suck my dick bace. Instead of a dunk, Zena sat, basking the attention of admirers and the press. although having a naked woman present during the baptism was in my opinion, gilding the liily just a bit There's of course, nothing wrong with nudity. I do think that Americans have been far too prudish about the human body for far too long. But Leill had to know that in nineteen sixty eight, having a naked woman present at a ritual involving a three year old It was going to make all the wrong waves in the press if press indeed was his main goal. I think he's want to n a chick there and you forget man, you know what it is? when we were just in Fairbanks, right? We were just there. We went to that great place and they were all talking about how like, you forget how hippies live. Yeah. L these guys all like they were all talking about how they're like, Yeahah, that night all the babies were upstairs partying down here man. You know, it's nice because all the babies are up there Yeah And you're like you have to forget that was like a thing. Yeah. And my parents partied around me. My my know Natalie was scarred by their partying around him. And so I feel like it's It was just different times. Yeah. Also, you live in a counter culture You know, it's surprised, you know, when you're like press is bad, it's like, Well, yeah, of course the reaction's gonna to be bad. I was talking to Henry earlier. We used to have this show at Creek in the Cave, Murderfest called Brown Sabbath. And I had Henry make the flyer and I was like, Hey, can you make a church with a big pile of shit on top of it? And I went around flyering and I'm out there in Long Island City, trying to put this in bike stores and people were like, no, I don't want that up in my store. I'm like, what is the world. You just don't understand. Yeah. it's like when I was in college and I was in a ben, we called ourselves Hugs a Bunch pedophile. and when we went out to put flyers around town, that's when we realized Not everyone finds that funny. It's not that funny It's not that funny, of course. now it it'sper to do a bunch of kids come up with, but yeah, no one wanted that in their in their window. Yeah Exactly. And that's why we are where we're at, man. They should have listened to us, dude. Round Sabbath is a funny name. It' a funny ass name Yeah. And I just played a bunch of like there was like a black Sabbath mariachi band. I played their music before the show was a lot of fun. Oh ye, This podcast is brought to you by Squarespace. Squarespace is an all in one website platform that helps you stand out online. Yes, that's right, you don't have to smash your face with a hammer. You can just start a business. It's got everything you need on Squarespace from securing your domain to building a professional site and showcasing your work all in one place Let's say you want to show everybody how you can carve your ribs out of your lower abdomen so that you look more like a Kendall. That's amazing. You can bring your vision to life with AI powered design or curated templates, plus flexible editing tools that help you create something that truly reflects your style, especially if you are somebody that is trying to corrupt the young men of America. That's what Squarespace is really gonna to help you. Squarespace makes it easy. It makes it easy for you to put all that together and you just go to Squarespace and do it all Braden G to squarespace. com slash left for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch, use offer code left to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain Ever walked past a place for rent and wish you could just take a peek inside Maybe even explore the layout, envision the natural light streaming through the windows, or plan where your vinyl record collection would go. at apartments d. com You can With tools like their three D virtual tours, you can see the exact unit you could be living in Really envision yourself in your new home with apartments. com Pl to find a place. Byan Reynolds here from IMobile I don't know if you knew this, but anyone can get the same premium wireless for fifteen dollars a month plan that I've been enjoying. It's not just for celebrities, so do like I did and have one of your assistant' assistants switch you to Mint mobile today I'm told it's super easy to do at mintmobile d. com slash switch. Up frront payment of forty five dollars for three month plan, equivalent to fifteen dollars per month required. Intro rate first three months only, then full price plan options available. taxes and fees extra. Feful terms at mintMobile d. com B from your brain. As the Church of Satan grew in popularity, Anton Levey's Black masses became more ornate. Although I made a discovery just this last weekend in Pittsburgh at my favorite store in America, Edy's Entertainment that put the creation of the Back masses in a whole new light. ee I'm a collector. And one of the things I collect are the more obscure men's magazines from the fifties, sixties, and seventies, The ones outside of your standard playboys, penthouses, and hustlers. Playboys too high class, hustlers' too low class. Yeah, you don't like the pissing on the ankles. Yeah In penthouse, it's too middle of the road. And while the pornography contained therein is naturally a bonus I live in the year twenty twenty six for Christ's sake. I don't need magazines to obtain pornography. I also kind of feel weird. You know what's funny is it? I don't mind pre fluffing to a woman that's definitely dead. but there's something about masturbating to completion to a woman that is very much a skeleton in a grave. I have no problem with that That's neither here nor there. You weren't jerking off to these magazines, are you? No, no no sure. It was funny. I It might lead to that, but it's not it's not it's a bonus. It's already stated. It's a bonus. It's a bonus. It's a cherry on top. I went to the store also with Marcus. It was a lot of fun, but we like separated it, you know, because I like got a DVD from like Boneru two thousand eight. Yeah. I'm walking around and then all of a sudden there's like an area that you can't see and then all of a sudden from inside out here Yeah Oh Yeah, which is normally the guy in that pornography in his pants. I was like, Oh, that's Marcus. I found a lot of greatate shit. You had a full crate that you walked out of there with? I absolutely did. And the main reason why I collect these magazines is because the articles work as a sort of secret history of the twentieth century if you know what to look for And if you know the historical context in which these articles were written At Edies in Pittsburgh, for example, I found an issue of a magazine called Rogue from nineteen sixty two, which contained an article by one of Anton Levee's favorite authors, William Lindseay Gresham, author of Nightmare Alley. Who he stole his whole life story from. The content of this article was the history of the so called black mass published a full four years prior to the founding of the Church of Satan. Now the article is filled with exaggerations and half truths as many of these articles are, but I can almost guarantee that Anton Mavee read this article Not only was Anton also a fan of men's magazines. Hell, we got an email from a fucinking listener who said that he bought a whole stack of them from Anton LeVon. He famously was a magazine collector. Yeah, but Gresham was also one of Anton's favorite writers and this article was most likely the last thing Gresham wrote before he died that same year in nineteen sixty two As they say, the proof is in the pudding And a lot of the things that Gresham talked about in this article, it's a fucking fantastic article. talks about fictional nineteenth century depictions of black masses, talked about historical rumor They are all the same things that showed up in Anton Levee's black masses four years later, all the way down to using a naked woman as an altar It's all there. Yes. I think that he defefinitely inspired And he knew what to do from it because he was a collector of all these things. But then he did refine it because he talked about did refine it. Absolutely. The idea the framework is its this fucking article is the framework. Yes. he saw it because the black mass is really fun. Yeah. teechnically, in many ways, it could be quite funny. Yeah surprised nothing ever happened. I mean, like as a magazine collector and there' a guy who loves candles that much, he really could a lit a fire. You really you got to be careful. You super good with fire Pope of the Church of Satain. Okay. You think you'd at least that unlcked bound. It's more water. Yeah. I think we have problems with water. Now while Anton may have taken the framework from the Black masses from Grusham's artle, he certainly added his own flare, as we can see from this description of a black mass in nineteen sixty eight when the Church of Satan was firing on all cylinders. Levay read a recitation of the Lord's prayer backwards. Then he inserted a triangular holy wafer into the vagina of a naked woman acting as the altar. You always made that sound. couldould you explain for the listeners like when I say he use a naked woman as an altar? Could you explain to them what that means? Legitimately's she's lying on a table She is the thing that you put stuff on. Oh, see, I thought it was going to be her back and she was on all fours. I'm actually glad you said something. No normally she'sing No, she's not like playing tables. She's not thought tables. She's normally on a table and people put things on her. There's also been those where they just stand because they'll stand next to the two things I've seen that But largely it's sad. And then literally they go Dam for here comes the airplane and then they bring in they bring in the host and let's open up the hangar And then they'd spread her open and then they just put crackers in her. Yeah, like a pz dispenser upside down Yes, yes. Well After removing the moist cracker from the vagina, Leveill broke it up into six pieces and placed those pieces on the tongues of six congregants. I want to have that first. one. I want the devil.ry. I love the devil. But at the same time, because there's a lot going on in a black mass. There's a lot going on in every corner of the room. At the same time that this is happening, a red headed congregant laid naked across the lap of another naked acolyte Wh whiped the reedhead with a Cat of nine tail. Not a table. Working up to the table. Working up to the table. Yeah. It's the intern. Y. It still gigles too much They're here, honestly they're here at their semester from UCLA. We love them here. It's just so nice to have you here, Gregory. Meanwhile, another participant dressed like the Pope, was thrown to the floor by black robed men who all pulled down their pants and pretended to take a shit on the pope stand in. That fun. Yeah, a bunch of guys I poop I poop on the pope poop on the pope poop on the pope. Who's putting poop on the pope? Obviously I'm into it from what I stated earlier just moments ago, not the Brown Sabbath show. Obviously. And even though it's pretend, there was still a lot of stage craft here. They managed to splatter brown mud all over the pope' f vestments. I don't know they had like a, you know, like one of those like little squirt things in the sleeve or if their butts were filled with mud. I don't know. It might have been all been very symbolic. It might no, no, this was literal mud splashed over. What I mean even the pressing it upon him was probably like a iff they all brought the mud in and they brought up and hed go, No, the Duke has arved And then they had to like smear him with the duke my hand and then he's just like, I'm Du. Well after the man was adequately covered, the robed men dragged him out of the room while a Wagner record played and the whole congregation began the standard shouts of Hail Satan. Hail Satan. Hail Hail Satan. Hail Satan ic I'll say Music is by far the single most important thing in every single one of these presentations. Yeah. Annton of they specifically say that because again, of the presentation of it, everything has to do with classical music. And he said again, one of the natural Satanists was Wagner and another one was guy before Wagner named like Schnoosche, someome guy that also did like that kind of music. Carl Orf. Well, I know he also loved like Archibald Joyce. Oh ye likeike he was big in a Pkofi of Oh as Jack Rockmon and off Yeah say After covering the pope in mud, LeVvey brought out a guy playing Jesus, wrapped in a white sheet and carrying a cross on his back. Levey would curse Jesus himself, calling him, quote, That bell of monontity that hangs limply upon the cross still. And Levey then crushed a plastic Christian figurine and threw it into a chamber pot, proclaiming Yeah, don't switch aroundem prove that he has never walked on water he never shall again. Levee then ambled over to the pot, unzipped his fly, and tried in vain to piss on the remains of the figurine. Even Levey, it seemed occasionally got stage frighted. fuck You know you near hear your dad in the morning? Iike that's gotta be hard to hear that a C on. Come on evil piss! Come on! Come on, little devil, let's do it. Why did I Why did I piss before this I knew I had a piss. But while Anton did get a little pee shy during this particular black mass, he still took it in stride and asked the organist to quote play him some water music. The organist drollly responded with an Irving Berlin song called How Dry I A, whichich caused the congregation to break character with various knowing chuckles. This fucking good comedic piano man Perhaps the lelevity was needed, for Anton's stream did flow from that point forward Oh. And after he finished, the nude female acolytes in the room all took turns as well, including one who pissed in the bucket for what was said to be an uncomfortably long period of time Jesus Christ, Sandra threeree and a half minutes ago. Some people have to catch a bus. He Sandra, you have a problem. that Are you just bleeding? What is happening to you? I don't even understand why you can have that much water inside of. only seventy percent. Is your mother a camel? Well, this piss, I'm sure, was much to the pleasure of Anton Leveay Wh had figured out how to make his personal sexual fetish Europhilia, a central tenet of the Church of Satan bllack Mass. I mean, he's in charge But after the urine part of the ceremony was over, a woman dressed as a nun came out and did a strip tees to a particular waltz by Archibald Joyce, whichich very much reminds me of the type of music Jack Parsons listened to when he did magic. Let's listen to some of that strip tees Vision of Salameay It was used in a movie. I can't remember which one. Can we take this back We need to do this for strip clubs.. We need to go back to this.umpies. What if we go back to like Marahari in like the dance of the Seven Vils? Hey, it's still there's someone in Los Angeles tonight stripping somewhere to a song like this. You can find it. Yeah. It's out there. Just go to the magic castle and start asking people. That's where you got that's where that line starts, unfortunately. I don't know if those magicians know a lot of ladies. M those guys love ladies, man. That's why they get into magic. Otherwise they'd never talk to a woman. Yeah, it's true Now in the conclusion of the Black Mass, Anton Leveay would open his cape in front of the naked altar and hold his hands in the sign of the horns. Now if you didn't know, the Devil horn sign actually has meaning because today the horns of Satan have pretty much evolved into a more intense thumbs up. When you like something, you do the deevil horn. But it used to it's again it's never those things. It used to freak people out Yeah Two points of your index and pinky fingers represent goat horns thrust upwards in defiance of heaven. Well. The three fingers turned down are supposed to be in denial of the Holy Trinity. You know, but not everyone does. And as you put the thumb out, that's I love you. Yeah, that's you. Yeah. Yeah. Wh everybody. Anybody can do AS It only for deaf people. You know what, Marcus? That's for you. thank you. nothing. Nhing nothing, Nhing. Back to you.. E me today It's amazing that this thing that used to be it's a well established fixure in American culture. Like you see this anywhere and everywhere. Yeah. You' You see it little flea games, you know? Yeah. Yeah Joe Biden did it once. Yeah but conserving a stroke. out But concerning the end of this black mass, after three shouts of Hil Satan, Leve put out a candle, covered the naked woman who acted as the altar in a leeopard skin blanket and carried her out of the room After the ritual was complete, the members of the Church of Satan, including Anton Lvee, retreated to his kitchen where they schmoozed over not alcohol, drugs, nor virgin's blood Coffee, tea and cake. and not c cake either. reggular cake. Just dormableess cake. Yeah, no cakes of light, just tea and cake. This is really what Anton LeVe was trying to strip away from all of the stuff And that after I read all the Alistter Crowley stuff, he's trying to remind people that the whole magic thing actually here Yeah. It's here amongst us. It's here in this room. Like, yeah, sure.'s we're praying to Satan, but what we're actually doing builduilding the community. Yeah. and nothing builds community like late night coffee. It really does it in a piece of cake. Yeah. That is just one of my favorite ways to live life. It is one of the things that they did that every other fucking religion did. Isn't that funny? It hilarious. It's like they all do that. Y' always coffee. Now Anton Lev was certainly enjoying all this attention because by the end of nineteen sixty eight, he was advertising black masses in San Francisco newspapers and these gatherings became so popular that he would do the same performance two nights a week By nineteen sixty nine, Anton Levet claimed that the Church of Satan's membership had reached ten thousand worldwide, although the real number was almost certainly far lower. But even so, there were enough people paying attention for Anton to release his first book. This, of course, was the foundational text of the Church of Satan, the infamous Satanic Bible. Now I didn't read the Satanic Bible until around twenty twelve, but what surprised me most is that while it is incredibly judgmental and more than a little fascist, it basically reads like a guidebook for how to balance being a good person with standing up for yourself in the modern world. It's actually a great place to start when you're trying to figure out your own personal guidelines for living outside of a Christian framework, because it really is far more of a philosophy book than a religious tone. It also isn't meant to be taken that seriously, nor is it meant to be the end all be all. You don't end with the Satanic Bible. you begin with it. The key is to read it because then you can really see what the actual tone is, which is mostly funny Largely, it is a lot of wink, it's a lot of tongue in cheek mixed with passassionate belief systems that largely have to be included in context to the Christian church. That's what kind of the main issue about Satanism in general is that even on its own as a religion, it doesn't kind of like stand up because it's not supposed to. Like if you read all just the stuff inside the Satanic Bible without realizing why it's there or like what the point of it is, it can't it doesn't serve as a bunch of lessons. Well really it's defined by its opposition. Yeah. And when somethingic is defined by opposition, then you know, it really can't stand on its own and you really need something that stands on its own. Which is why it took relig which is why it took a place to start. Yes. And that's why Antl the V, which we'll get to was trying to fight it becoming a huge ass religion Yeah, And if you don't got time to read it, you can always read the jump off of cliff notes. Yeah You fucking. The Satanic Bible, however, is also largely plagiarized from many dubious sources. It better be. Wh didid someone like did like penguin put it out? Like did someone buy the? Yeah, it was a publisher I think Avon was a publisher put out through various publishing houses throughout the year. It's a lot of fucking bulls. It does. Yeah. See, according to Aunt Levet's daughter Zina, who later did an exposee on Levet's past after she broke with the church, the Satanic Bible was more of a cash grab meant to capitalize on the recent success of the Roman Polansky classic Rosemary's Baby, which had greatly increased the public's appetite for satanness and occult content. In other words, It's merch. Yeah, But when Anton Lv and his partner, Diane Hagarti gathered everything Anton had written about the Church of Satan for a book, it was far too short, and it was an absolute fucking mess. It's actually said that its editor, a woman named Carol Smith, who mostly did cookbooks, she was the one who made the Satanic Bible readable Oh, I bet that a Horroid Paul Sam. Hestly cookbook iss a great way to start for it's actually really good for ritual writing. Yeah You're gonna need like two ounces of blood. O die. Yeah it's instructions. But to meet the length requirements laid out by the publisher, Leavee and Hagarti heavily borrowed from authors like the infamous Ragnar Redbeard, author of the anti Semitic, white supremacist social Darwinist garbage book, Might Is Rite In this book from eighteen ninety six, Ragnar argued that weakness should be met with hatred and that social Darwinism should be the law of the land Now Leveet stripped out the anti Semitism, the misogyny, and the racism, but large parts of one section of the Satanic Bible, the book of Satan, were lifted from Ragnar Redbeard's writings. In fact, while it has been removed from recent prints, early editions of the Satanic Bible list Ragnar Redbeard as an influence. Might is write, by the way, has since had a resurgence among the Fl far right manosphere influencers who have all spent the last few years absolutely ruining the internet for reasonable people like ourselves. I will say as now this is I like that we're getting into this. Of course. This is one of the big major problems that Satanism has is this problem, which is this idea of people don't understand fundamentally all of this means and what Anton Leveay meant buy it. So that is so go through this, you can kind of see and you can see why he chose this and then stripped of all the quote unquote hate. I could see why he chose it, butll let's get into it now. you can't keep all that shit in there because he needs women to love it. Oh no, it's not about that because again, it was all it's not How do you say this is the problem when something isn't that deep? That's the problem almost is that when something becomes and Anton Mvee, this is a problem. He set up an issue for himself in the future by not really thinking about it hard enough Yeah about what it was he was adding without the later on in the deevil's nototebook Dvil, Anton Leve will pouch this, package this more, explain more what he kind of did like he kind of does that over time. But in the beginning, you know, Yeah, Satanic Bible is kind of rushed. It is like it's just sort of it's put out because like, hey we can make a lot of money because people are really into this rosemary's baby shit. Like, let's get this thing out there. So it's, you know, There's a lot of shit in there that probably shouldn't be in there. Yes. Even more than Ragnar Redbeard, Anton theveay also stole from the much maligned objectivist writer, Ane Rand for his nine Satanic statements. And those were meant to replace Christianity's ten commandments. Th he wanted statements instead of commandments In fact, Levey himself said that Leveyian Satanism was, quote, just Ainran's philosophy with ceremony and ritual added. Which doesn't even if you listen to Ant Lvee, I'm sorry, he has no idea what the fuck he's talking about because because Ain Ran specifically doesn't believe it that's what objectivism. It can't have rituals in it. So it doesn't make any sense for them to have any rituals in it. ye Well, ironically though, considering how much Republicans love Ane Ran because she helped bring their fuck you I gotot mind philosophy to the modern world, I'd say that today's Christians actually follow Church of Satan philosophies far more than the teachings of Jesus Christ. For example, this blessing written by Anton Leveay as a parody of Jesus's Blessed A the Mek speech, this might as well be the guiding light for the modern Republican Party. Henry please Blessed are the strong But they shall possess the earth. Casted other the week they shall inherit the yoke Blessed But the iron handed For the unfit shall flee before them. Cursed are the poor in spirit, for they shall be spat upon. Yeah. But the key is, okay The Church of Satan more than anything is a direct offense against the Hippie movement and the Christian church So in this world, the idea is God You're supposed to be afraid of God and you're supposed to inherently obey God. You're supp supposed to obey your parents. you're supposed to obey the priests, You're supposed to do all these things and you're supposed to turn the other cheek when they punish you. So when they punish you, when something bad happens to you, you're just supposed to walk away. You're supposed to just lay down your arms and just take it. And it's the whole thing. And with Christianity That tenant makes you easy to control because eventually it's like you're just going do what I say Because I'm telling you to say it and this you're literally your you like groveling and obeying me is a virtue. idea of that being a virtue. So this is an over correction. The whole point of this is to give to Dwbs and nerds the ability to be like no, like you know when your mom, my mom said Would you your mom have the same philosophy? I don't want to see you starting a fight, but you can finish a fight. sureure. Right. So it is that idea of being like, no God So like o, so God plays his little games with me and I'm not supposed to be fucking angry about it for his lessons. So everything bad he does to me is just a challenge that I'm just supposed to suck up and take fuck you. And it's a genuine like all of these people just because you're wearing a suit, I'm supposed to think you're better than me just because you're you act like you have some moral agency you have you you act like you are the guy the arbiter of morality and I just have to believe you because you're on fucking television. Fuck do. To bring the Satanic Bible down to its absolute basics, it really comes down to living a life that makes you happy and successful while doing everything in your power to ensure that your happiness does not come at the expense or the pain of others. And that's despite all of the book's negative influences. In my opinion, Anton Nvey took a lot of really ugly shit and made a religion that When you strip away a lot of the edginess It's actually quite nice. and it's far more realistic than Christianity as Christianity is actually practiced. Your opinion on that, of course, depends a lot on your opinion about the true nature of mankind. If we're inherently good, inherently bad, or as Levey sees it, and honestly how I see it somewhere in between. Because Christians believe we're bad you know that, right? L get original No original sin. We the whole fucking thing. We' born sinful. The devil exists to scare them out of doing bad things. Which guess what they do They do bad things, especially the ones that have the mandates because they've been given God's mandate. Yeah. They've been told that they're chosen by God and so they can do whatever the fuck they want. Nike Pence was too scared to be alone with another woman. Yeah, that's how you know So yes, yes. I do understand this and then this will be the thing that will cause problems in the future for him But it's because of the it's the not understanding it almost on purpose and also where he got it from. Sure Yeah. And I met a bunch of Satanists when I lived in Tallahassee and I was pretty close minded about Satanism at that point in my life because I was like, you know, twenty three years old. I just think of like Satanism as evil.ure know. And then I you're good good Catholic boy. I wasn't at this point I was an atheist. But like but but I met a couple Satanists and They were so kind. Yeah. They were like literally like help me. My car was stuck on the side of the road they came and helped me. And then like they a couple of them helped me move. I barely knew them. And then I started working with some of them at Hooters and they were just like the guys are show up to work on time. like, I don't know what to say. Wed The guy you're describing, Eddie is the guy that's just now arriving in the story who was Michael Aquino. So Michael Akino is an example of this is that In Satanism that most effective members have an extremely high moral viewpoint of the world. Like that is the that's the only way it works. Annoyingly so. Yes.. It is the only way it even works is that you have the whole point is that you are annoyingly moral. I would say almost aggravatingly normal moral. Yes, that is the because you have believed, you come to believe, which is what I come to believe that the Christian world is a' a place of sickness Yeah. Like it's like a place of rot and poison. and then it's and then until it's fixed from the bottom up That's not Is that helping anybody? I've seen way more evil in the Christian church than I have in the Satan Church. Oh yes. We all have. No, anyone who says any different isn't paying attention. No Now in March of nineteen sixty nine, Anton Lvey's inner circle grew to include a member who would be far more of a pain in the ass to Anton Levee than he probably suspected. That man was the future founder of the Temple of Set Michael Aquino. Heail Satan. He is just he is my best friend. Ant' just G it a bunch rules you't follow. I understand. He' a big old boy though. you portray him like such a dweeve. He looks scary. No's junker.unker. Yeah he's a chubby man. Yeah far betrayed.' get into it. All right. And reportedly, Michael Akino met Anton Levee at a showing of Rosemary's Baby when Akino was just twenty two years old Do you know that story? No. It's so funny because Anton Leve would just show up things. So again, an example of why he was just a local character. Anything that was remotely evil, Anton Leve and his crew would just show up. literally so funny. And Michael Lquino said he got out of the car and it was been premier of Rosemary's Baby in San Francisco And he said he watched the doors fling open And Anton Levain, his full hood was out with all of his coterie and and he watched them all walk into a hearse. And they got in a hearse and drove off. and it was just Michael Kino being like just like that. Well, Michael and his wife quickly applied for membership in the church and before long they were participating in their first Satanic rituals. Akino, however, does not in any way fit the profile of an average Satanist, or at least how people think an average Satanist would be. When Akino met Anton theveay, Michael was an officer in the Amy who'd grown up as a conventionally respectable boy. Akino was an Eagle sccout who joined the ROTC at UC Santa Barbara, graduating in nineteen sixty eight as a distinguished military graduate. Do you know how much of a fucking nerd you have to be to join the ROTC in Santa Barbara in the nineteen sixties? It's so much just go surfing. Yeah' too fast for surfing. He definitely was a Santa Barbara goh And for those of you that know other Santa Barbara Ghs or beachside Ghs, you know for a fact, it's just him is going all these people s They don'tstand that the universe is complicated. I mean, I know many things. Meanwhile, like everybody's fucking and dancing and having a great time and he's just saying they're just in like they don't fucking read. like they don't understand all my references. My necklaces are caught my fish neckloes He was in Santa Barbara from nineteen sixty four to nineteen sixty eight. and he chose the ROTC. Yeah. What a nerd. Well after that, he joined the Army. After that, Akino joined the army and soon found himself as a SIOP Special Forces officer at Fort Bragg during the Vietnam War Reportedly, Akino's SIuP ideas included experiments to disorient North Vietnamese and Vietcong soldiers using amplified sounds, sometimes using so called demonic screams blared from helicopters overhead. A of them I did myself was kind of fun. just going us out. out out I speak it up When Akido traveled to Vietnam for an active duty tour in June of nineteen sixty nine, he brought a copy of John Milton's Paradise Lost with him If you'll remember, Anton Lveey based his ideas about the character of Satan on Milton's interpretation. Like Leve, Akino saw Satan as the hero of Paradise Lost. And since Akino was going through a heavy existential and philosophical crisis at the time, he latched on to the idea that Satan might have better ideas than God. It must be said, however, that his crises had nothing to do with his career in the armed forces, nor did it have anything to do about his feelings concerning Vietnam because Michael Aquino stayed in the military as a powerful and influential figure throughout his entire life up until the two thousands that was even with his incredibly goofy eyebrows, which were styled into points to mimic devil horns. That is diabolical. But that really shows you how good Michael Aquino was at his job. He was so fucking good that the army put up with that. Yeah, but the army also likes scary shit. man. They like weirdos and they like people, patriotic weirdos. Michael Akino is a patriot through and through. hundred He is very similar to the Mormons. Yeah That's why they use Mormons in the intelligence services and they use Mormons for those types of things because they are Mormons have an ability to believe in something entirely not real and they and just be able to dispel reality so hard that it makes them really good at being a part of the CIA. Who do you think Michael Lquino's more who likes more the United States of America or Satan I would say I would say America. Well, I'd say he loves that he lives in America, but he wishes that you can understand that the power of set himself would release you to an ocean of endless knowledge Exactly. Now when Anton LeVvee met Michael Aino at the Rosemary's Baby screening, LeVay simply gave him his card. It wasn't uil Akino was on leave in San Francisco in March of nineteen sixty nine that he would see an ad in an underground newspaper advertising the performance of a so called Satanic circle at Anton's Black House. They're gonna love me there They're just gonna be so happy I came. So excited for my presence. The circle the Aquino attended featured all of Anton's greatest hits, including a robed henchman stationed at the door, who is actually just a history professor and a grand entrance from Leve himself emerging from an Egyptian sarcophagus Now Aquino was impressed by Levet's charisma, confidence, and philosophy. So he went all in on the Church of Satan. He later wrote, in the nerdiest way possible, quote I reached out apple. Oh. Nxt week Damn, how do you take it and make it so not cool? Yeah. That's the thing A on the was just so like But he knew he needed these guys. That's a problem play the guys. But did he though? I mean, not not with what they would do, but he originally is like, okay, I need guys that aren't just drug addicts and losers and strippers. I need like Yeah, someone's got to work the book. Yeah. Yeah. Well, not just intellectuals. like That's what it is because that's really the people that he's surrounding himself this at this point is like it's intellectuals, it's you know, people who say they're magicians, but they're really dentists, but there people who have O shit going on He needed some he thought at least that he needed someone who could take care of the admen. It was highly curated as well. That's what also people don't particularly understand is how curated this environment was in the beginning. It really was friendly thinkers that were all willing to talk about this in a fun way and then just leave. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like it was like very hip people. Yeah. It's like guys who get into like magic to gathering, but they're cool and then they just gott toa go deal with these fucking nerds all the time. That's how it is. That's what Antol Lv he yes, he was It was his punishment Now within just a few years, Michael Aquino was a major insider at the Church of Satan, although he took on all the nerd roles that Anton Levay couldn't be bothered with, like, for example, editing the church's internal publication, The Cloven hoof. Excellent because I love templates. And I have hoops for hands. Just get the fuck out of here. I just feel like there were so many conversations like Okay, Michael, no Get the fuck out ofy. I'm done. I' done. I'm with you for today. I don't wannaar that I don't wanna hear single more thing about the email list. If I hear one more fucking thing about an email list, I'm gonna fucking sacrifice you to myself. How many empty doorways did Michael Lkino talk through? I walking away lonely. Well's another part. I wanted to That's fine. I'll save it I'll save it for when we're on a plane together. Most importantly though, Michael Akino was a member of a Church of Satan's governing body, the Council of Nine This presumably is how Akino came to be so heavily involved in a short lived organizational structure called the grotto system Now incredibly, the Grotto system was modeled after the boycout troops that both Aquino and Levee loved The idea was that the grotto system would give each member a chance to be more than a so called mail order Satanist Using the Gotto system, members could share in ritual practice and discussion with their own local Satanists outside of San Francisco, wherever in the country they may be By July of nineteen seventy, twenty five Satanic Gottos have been established around America, with names like the Plutonian Grotto, the Asmodeus Grotto, the Babylon Grotto, the Karnat Grotto, and the Yugoth Grotto. Oh. Each grotto, which was required to have at least five members, can asked which grrotto had about Cldbrew That's my main thing. Karnack'. Wh everyone was like Connecticut. Well each Grotto, which was required to have at least five members, was led by someone who was at least a second degree witch or warlock. Each Grotto also had to be approved by Michael Lquino and the rest of the Council of Nine, who were all fourth degree witches or warlock I just graduated. I have fifth degree now. Thaties you make the rules. Yeah I know. Yeah, that kind of is the problem. That is actually the main problem. When you just make up a bunch of stuff and youd say, oK, all of you individuals, former group. So unlike San Francisco, where was the next biggest community? do you know? I actually don't know, but they were all over the country. Like I said, there are twenty five of them guuess probably New York. It was New York and the UK. Yeah Yeah Gratos also had to make monthly reports about its members, what everyone's up to, how are the rituals going? And some even had their own local newsletters like Satans spawn, Devil's Advocate, Children of the Night, and my favorite, the Typhon Tusk.. Now as far as Michael Aquino's role in the Gurato system went, he handled some of the administration and of course, wrote the articles of protocol for the whole system Of course, which outlined the purpose of the grotto.. Oh yeah, anytime there's something with the words articles or protocol in it, akino's all over it. Hey, Mike, I don't you take care of that I was actually gonna volunteer. This is the bad thing in the world. I was thinking of a twelve pointful point system. you go Mel, That's great.. Great Michael. do I need to hear every fucking minute of it? Do I can to hear every fucking second of it? Basically Kino beliealied because he was both an army man and an Eagle scout People who work in formal organizations can realize their desires for power more easily. Krotos allowed Satanists to help each other rather than go it alone, and blackmagic ceremonies were of course, far easier to pull off if you had friends helping. But what does that do, Marcus creates a series of hierarchies. Yeah And guess what Satanists don't like. Series of fucking hierarchies. We don't like them. No, but they I hate them. But they also hate being alone All humans do Yeah, but that's the thing. just because I'm hanging out with a bunch of people, do I have to put a bunch of rules around it? Why we gotta fucking all have titles? Yeah. canan't we just hang out? Yeah. But even though things were going swimmingly for the Church of Satan on paper, it seems like Michael Aquino's influence in the organization took a lot of the fun out of the enterprise for Anton the Vay. And the Vay began getting disillusioned with the whole affair within just a few years. In nineteen seventy two, Anton the Vay ended his public ceremonies at the Black House. In his mind, he'd wanted the Church of Satan to evolve into a quote Kabalistic underground instead of long running pageant it had become. And that is of course, his words, a long running pageant Furthermore, the Grotto system under Michael Aquino had again, in Levet's words, turned the church into a Satan penpal club. It's kind of funny. Yeah, it went from like ceremonies to meetings. Yeah ye. Exactly Yeah But concerning the pageantry, Levey began feeling embarrassed to be seen with members who wanted to show the whole world that they were Satanists all the time wherever they went Laavee said that he'd step off a plane and there his dark children would be, huddled together in black velvet robes and capes with huge baffomette necklaces. fucking airport Be there's a time and place for this shit and it ain't the fucking airport. I've learned. Yeah He's got a target on his back. He doesn't need the moment he lands for there to be a crowd waiting for him. Yeah be like here's the church of Satan guy everybody kill him. Yeah. S how Levee saw it, the grassroots people around the country didn't know much about subtlety or decorum In other words, Lafet was disappointed that his Satanists they didn't know how to just be cool. Just fucking hang out. It doesn't have to be like this all the fucking time He said in this is my favorite Anton Lvee quote I was trying to present a cultured maned image And their idea of prrotestter shock was to wear their Lodge regalia into the nearest Dennies. This is a thing that I I think about all the time because this is kind of what I've even modeled myself after in a way because Anton Leve, he straight up That's what he kept saying. He's like the Church of Satan part of me is only like a twenty percent part of me Yeah. Like I actually have all these other things. I actually I have all these other abilities and all these other interests and I started this thing and it was actually never supposed to be a merch carrying club like this was supposed to go underground for me. This is supposed to be for me and for the people like minded to me. because Satanists, if you believe how the Satanists believe themselves, were're the fuckking elite That's the idea, right? We're supposed to be the fucking top of the top that don't get fucking pulled in the nets of these religions and shit. It makes you a naturally a very divisive human being. But the dude fucking just was like, canan't you just Do it with style. Yeah. Yeah, or just hang out. He was right about the Denny's thing. I feel like that's wherever I see a Satan this is in like a Denny's or a shitty diner. Well, I mean, I don't know what it is, but just I mean, it's a well known fact that gototh kids are drawn to Denny's. It is It's a safe place. Yeah. Perkin's as well. They're like Perkins. Yeah. No, I mean, I don't know how many times they just hung out and it you' It was because you could hang out in a Denny's unlimited coffee and you could smoke and they won't kick you out. and they won't kick you out and it's open for twenty four hours. As long you don't fight nobody, you good. Yeah, yeah, now I am. Now the inevitable backlash against the Church of Satan started getting dangerous by nineteen seventy four. Black House was among the world's first Satanic tourist destinations. The crowds of Lucky Loos and admirers also included people who genuinely wanted to hurt or kill Anton and his family. Thats what we were talking about in the first episode. That's inherent problem about being a Satan is that you're asking people to punch you in the face. Yeah And the star does look like a tar. It does. veryery much so Leavay and his family therefore moved to a house in Sonoma, north of San Francisco after enduring a barrage of bricks, eggs, spray paints, bullets, and even a bomb Leveey became reclusive, fortifying the Back House with surveillance cameras and a ten foot tall electrified fence, even though he wasn't even living there anymore. It was more the Black House basically became like the Church of Satan's office. Yeah. Then around the Halloween of nineteen seventy four, Levey went public with his dissatisfaction. He said in an interview that he wanted to be nowhere near San Francisco during Halloween. I get it. He didn't want to be the center of attention for a bunch of satanists. he didn't like a respect, further explaining that for him, which I' totally fucking get Halloween was like New Year's Eve to a bartender. It's just the truth.. Hey and h Tuesday night, man. That's When you want to meet the fucinking pope with the church of Satan? I want to meet the pope with the Church of Satan on april fourteenth. Yes the middle of the day. Actually now, april fourteenth is back because he's going to be he's in preparations for Valpurgis knocked. Yes. Yeah. I want to meet him sometime and like Jun Yeah, what after? during the normal anti Christian celebration. Leveay also announced that in an attempt to steer the church back to a dignified place, he was done doing performative satanic rituals. He said that the new type of Satanist is not ostentatious nor garish, but a substantial, responsible citizen who prefers to keep his Satanism on the inside rather than hest sleeve Lveet also dismantled Michael Achino's beloved Grotto system, because the majority of the grrottos couldn't get their shit together due to rivalries, scandals, and the general types of antics that W would expect more in a high school glee club than in a satanic mini cult. Can I speak as the charismatic leader of a small group of people that do form side groups explain that every single time you do that. When you form a Facebook group or you form a Reddit group, begins to suck and does begin to eat itself because the internet because groups of people in those areas For some reason just slowly become like evil dark rats to each other. Yeah yeah, whenever you're like group like a chat on their like text chat like changes names for the fifth time It's time to go. Yeah, I'd say it's time to get out of there. Yeah's it's really it's a it's not just Satanist. it's any group of people. Yeah Like you get too many people in one place and just for too long, everything has an end. and you kind of just need to say like, okay, that's enough. But Anton Levay saying like, we're not doing the Gotto system anymore. That was also it seems like the beginning of the split between him and Michael Akino Very much so because they were also what he's not telling the world is that he himself was taking magic more seriously on his own. personally. And that was like a thing he started to understand. I wanted to do it for me. And the Michael Aquino and the orrder of the trarapezoid shit, all of that was supposed to be for his own private practice and for him to sort of teach himself because according to Michael Kino, that's the idea is that they started doing fake rituals and then one day Yes. It's the Smuckers Uncrustables podcast with your host, Uncrustables Okay, today's guest is rough around the edges. Please welcome Crust. Thanks for having me Today's topic is round with soft pillowy bread. Hey, filled with delicious PBNJ. Are you talking about yourself? And you can take them anywhere. Why'd you invite? And we are out of time. Are you really cutting me off Ocustibles are the best part of the sandwich Sorry, Christ everver walked past a place for rent and wish you could just take a peek inside Maybe even explore the layout Envision the natural light streaming through the windows, or plan where your vinyl record collection would go at apartments d. com You can With tools like their three D virtual tours, you can see the exact unit you could be living in Really envision yourself in your new home with apartments. comot The place to find a place. Ryan Reynolds here from MidMobile. I don't know if you knew this, but anyone can get the same premium wireless for fifteen dollars a month plan that I've been enjoying. It's not just for celebrities, so do like I did and have one of your assistant's assistants switch you to Mint mobile today I'm told it's super easy to do at mintmobile d. com slash switch. Upfront payment of forty five dollars for three month plan, equivalent to fifteen dollars per month required. intntro rate first three months only, then full price plan options available. taxes and fees extra. Feful terms at mintMobile d. com Thaty from Northway. Now LeVey did continue as a leader of the church, but he narrowed his focus on the more intellectual and of course, the wealthier followers. Mainstream fame, as it turned out, resulted in mainstream people all up in your shit. And from what it seems like, Levey didn't want to be a mainstream figure. Instead, it seems like after the Church of Satan began to be far more troubble than it was worth Anton the Weay became far more concerned with how he could worm his way into Hollywood Because Anton Lvee was, first and foremost Enterertainer. Oh yeah, baby Levey had claimed that he'd worked as a satanic consultant on Rosemary's baby, and it was rumored that it was Levey himself who played Satan during the movie's impregnation scene Neither of those things, of course, are true. But it is interesting It was Ran Polansky himself.. Yeah he did it. No, no, that's not true. just you know just just he's an evil man. Yeah apparently.. But it is interesting that Anton's detachment from the church does coincide with his increasing involvement in Hollywood productions even All of his contributions were in the decidedly B movie category. He just wanted to make movies at this point. He knew he knew. He just wanted to make movies. He never wanted to make a religion really. No Etertainment. Yeah, exactly. He wanted to make entertainment. moovies, TV, whatever. Music. Yeah. But this is the big lesson here. The big lesson is that the way all of this magic shit works is that what Anton Leay understood did not fully understand even in his creation of it is that you can't control it. Yeah. And you really do become what you pretend to be. It is real. That is fucking real. It's why the senators change,'s why these people change is because as soon as you get to that Pace changes you. It does In nineteen seventy three, Anton MVay advised on a script for a TV movie starring William Shatner called The Horror at thirty seven thousand feet.. Shatner, I suppose was trying to recapture the magic of his classic Twilight Zone episode Nightmare at twenty thousand feet. Oh I was the other thing so I know. No, it's incredibly stupid. Yeah. And that's also it's interesting that remember William Shatner's other Twilight Zone episode was the onevil the little devil creature, you know that we're at the diner, you know, just one Ma. Just one Ma. Wh which is honestly an incredible allegory for chat boxes and chat GPT. It is. It really is. Yeah. what do I do? Tell me what to do next. Yes But instead of a Gremlin tearing the plane apart, that was nightmare at twenty thousand feet, horror at thirty seven thousand feet. complepletely different. Eirely different pinch. I don't want to hear this It's entirely different. fifteen thousand yards Yeah like it. I like y like it you think of football. Football ghosts on a plane. Terror at thirty thousand inches. That's what I like. It's a real low one, but I like that. Well Horror at thirty seven thousand feet was a high concept mess about a bunch of demonic Druid ghosts causing havoc from an airplane's bagage compartment by torturing the passengers with demonic visions. Y. It is considered to be William Shatner's worst film, which is saying a lot. Yeah Just idea been like Okay, right now, you had a gohost. Yeahah, absolutely All right. when he goes to the plane go. We we had a grandma on this' fine when he goes to the plane's f Tu it. Perfect. Yeahah, exactly boom. Irish doneun, British people so scary. Absolutely. Where did Jewan ghost? Where did Where did British ghost go b in the bagage in the bags. the bag Yeah, that's where crazy shit. No one knows it's in the bags. Nobody knows it's in the plane. Yeah, that's the scariest part of the plane. Aren't we all mentally carrying a lot of? I say right itself. It's right itself. You know people say you can't do art with TV. This is wrong We're doing wrong with doing it But even though horror was a fucking flop, Leveay also consulted on a movie called The Methisto Waltz about a dying Satanist piano player who transfers his soul into the body of a younger man. That younger man was played by Alan Alda, you know, for Mash. Wow. wow. I haven't seen The poster for Methisto Waltz is fucking awesome. It's very cool. It's got a girl onn the floor and she's drawing a pentagram. It it's very cool, but ye I hear like the set is really cool, but overall like they say Alan Ad is the worst part of the movie. Yeah They say he flubs it I can Now, not Aa. Yeah he's young. Well I will say if we're saying that the set is good It's not a good movie. You mean we're in that point being like, you know, I just, I'm proud of them for getting it all together. Yeah. You know, wow. I just can't believe about Frank. Wow, they really put a lot of work in that, huh? Well I'm a massive B movie gu guys. So like so whenever someone says like the set is incredible, I'm like, . And this one got better reviews, but the praise was mostly focused on the occult imagery, the set, you know, all the various, you know things in the background. That of course was all Let's doing Critics, however, were less kind about The car, which involved a possessed Lincoln Continental that runs people over for no good reason and was parodied many years later in an episode of Futurama called The Honking. I had everything to do with Christine. Yeah Well I think it was somewhere around the same time as Christine While they bragged that the car was filled with occult symbolism, the film's writers denied all that, saying that they had simply written a quick rip off of jaws, using a car instead of a shark, and a few vague occult elements. That's dool. Yeah. We all know a movie. No, no, no.iberg No, no, no J. Listen to me ass? No, no, no It's called car you know, that actually kind of manages that's two cars. This' not what about those several cars uck. Tuckark. It is Tuckark. And it's a Lincoln whichich is nice. And it goes on his up. And we all know what Lincoln did I Dick uil bring. But out of all the movies, Anton Levee was involved with in ways big and small, none were more insane, more satanic, more entertaining, nor more incoherent than the devil's reign.. it's awesome. Yeah, starring again, William Satner, as well as Tom Scarret as the hero Ernest Borgnein in one of his best roles as a manic Satanic priest. Dude, it was awesome. Marcus made me watch it last night. and I can't tell if I know more or less about Satanism now. You know less. You know less. Ernest Bgin's amazing in this movie. Yeah, I really enjoyed him. And he disavowed it. Yeah afterwards. Yes Although it was you know, he said later that oh, I hid my trailer the whole time. He didn't. He had a fucking great time. Everyone on the everyveryone on the set had a great time except William Shatner. And the only reason why William Shatner had a bad time was because it was filmed in Mexico and nobody in Mexico knew who the fuck William Shatner was. No one seen Star Trek. And so he was jealous. The set was nice. The set was amazing Yeah,. Oh, and bonus horror movie fact, a plastic mold was made of William Shatner's face for the big climax in the Devil's Rign and that mold was turned into a massk produced Halloween mask, and that same model of mask was later painted white and turned into the face of Michael Myers for the Halloween movies. Hell yeah. Fascinating. So it did lead to something good. Yeah, it did Oh, it actually one thing We're going to get to it here in a second It led to a lot of shit. Now concerning the Devil's Rign, the plot barely makes sense, and I've seen it like a few times. Yeah they melt. Thatcause of the rain That's that's becausecause of the doings of the rain. Well best as I can tell it, Ernest Borgnain plays a satanic priest who's been trying for hundreds of years to obtain a book from a family of former followers. The book is filled with the names of followers Borgenin has obtained for Satan. You know remember all the Salem Witch Tals stuff, you know put the name in the devil's book But those souls cannot be claimed by Satan until Borgnine gets the book back and therein lies the plot Oh, it's kind of like when you left all your Marborough miles, like if you had left them behind and you can't get them. So that's what you need. Oh, that's what he need Yeah. 'cause you don't count. No, I don't count. No No Marborough miles in heaven. No oil. You can smoke as much as you want, but if you don't turn them in you ain't get getting the windbreaker. Now the Devil's Rin was a full on production Anton Lvee was present for the entire five week shoot down in Mexico. He did set design, costume design, and his name is prominently displayed in the opening credits as technical advisor and highigh priest of Satan. which I mean it's more of a publicity stunt than anything. I'm happy for him. This was his dream. It was. but Anton theve did quite a bit of Satanism into the movie. and he did work both as an advisor and as crew when needed During the filming of One scene, for example, Levet led the local Mexican extras playing Satanic cult members in a recitation of actual magical rituals from the Lesser Ky of Solomon, which were also printed in the Satanic Bible. But since the extras didn't speak English, Lavet wrote out syllable by syllable cue cards for the scene and he stood next to the cards during the filming pointing to each syllable for the extras benefit. This actually happened. There are pictures of him doing it. All right. so everybody, I just want to say just first of all I'm so happy you all here. M Contento. Eed Apprehendo, Eed Laciendo. and I just want to say o, we're go we do something' Reggie. Reereggiate. He J Very good Dannis Say say say, say S by no Yeah no, no, no. I know why you' saying that But today. S Tanasis Buo. He did actually have to search like far and wide for locals who were willing to be in the movie because most of them were scared shitless. Yeah the whole thing, the whole production being around him. I had you know, we have our handyman, our Turot, we talked with him quite a bit about the devil imagery and now he understands quite a bit about it That's good. That's really good. I did once have a cleaning lady leave my leave my home halfway and through the job after she cleaned my office. Actually, she just walked into the office and then just left without saying a word. the lady that came and cleaned our h we have a wonderful lady. I won' to name her by name because you know, she's wonderful. She works for here at the network too, But I will always say that after that murderfish show we did the twentet anniversary and I didn't know I'd left the dildo inside of my pants for this scene. You know, it's like a whole thing was like a dildo just there amongst my pants and she could tak it out when the scenees over. Did't think about it. Was the Nacho cheese still on it? Yeah. And she cleaned it all off and left it on top of the sink. That's so nice. It was one of the nicest things because I know it wasn't on the sink before and then I came back and it was definitely just On the same That's a fucking raise moveood. Oh no I gave her I g her I gave her a little bit get a bonus for that one. No I gave her just being like a sho shoe, you know, Like we don't always fuck my ass, you know. don't have to clean the dildos, but if you do Could you use this scentin oil? Not satisfied to stand behind the camera. Levet even talked his way into cameos in a few scenes. But interestingly, when you watch those scenes, Anton LeVvee looks uncomfortable, almost nervous, which is why I think Anton Levet never quite made it in Hollywood See, Lve could hang with intellectuals, magicians, and even movie stars one on one. But in the end, I think that Hollywood as a whole, it may have been just a little too intimidating of an experience for the dirty pke to handle. Everybody thinks they can do it Everybody thinks they can do it. They really do. And then you step on stage sometimes and you realize, Oh, what have I done And I think that he's used to being the coolest guy in the room. Yeah. And then when you're there and you're the Ernest Borg Nine, you ain't going to be the coolest guy in the room. Oh no, sir. Not on a movie set. Especially not Enest Borgine when he puts on that fucking amazing devil makeup. Oh my Godd, it's incredible. Dude so cool. The makeup of that movie iss really good. It's insane. It's so incredibible movie star. That's not just that's Enest we forget at the time. That's wow, bunch. that's fucking Oscar winner Marty. you know, like Yeah he's I can feel him being like, oh, I'm second fiddle here. Yeah. and he's yeah, he does the ing mis. Herman like he does that where he's like looking down the pire No there's the first scene that he's in. he's kind of in the background and you can see his eyes darting around. He's like looking at the members of the production. He even has a giant gold helmet on. Yeah feel like fucking can't do it. Yeah Yeah But the most interesting bit of trivia about the Devil's reign concerns the actor who played the head henchman in the Satanic cult. He only had one line. Deouvil's Rign was indeed the first movie to ever feature John Travolta. They gave him billing too, even though he had one line. Well, they gave him billing because of the job that he booked after filming was done. See we've mentioned this many times before, but it was on the side of the deevil's reign that someone gave the stressed out young actor a book that they said would help manage his life This book was, of course, Dianetics. And it was that book that set Travolta down the path towards scientology.pathy. Thank you so much for giving me this book is one of the natest things I've ever read. But you think that maybe you could give me one of them Gay hand jobs. It is because Devil's Rign is like Anton Le Fe's battlefield Earth Yeah little bit sure Yeah.. Yeah. Interestingly though, even though Travolta's role was a smaller one, it was and even though John Travolta was at this point, it was his first movie. He was not a star in any way whatsoever. It was said that he and Anton the Vy became fast friends. And a picture does indeed exist of the two of them standing together in a candid moment. And it really shows you Anton L the Vay is like He's sitting there wearing a fucking t shirt Anton Le Everybody says was M charming man in the room when you met him. Is that when you met him, he's exact he's everything you wouldn't think he's be. He's like warm and ingratiating and sweet and like like memorizes your name is all Carney. Yeah. He's really good at it See, Travolta was fascinated by oldld Hollywood, particularly Marilyn Monroe, and Levet claimed to have known Monroe biblically. But Travolta's obsession with Marilyn was not about her looks or her gnashing and farting during orgasm, as Levey had put it. Instead, LeVvey said that John Travolta wanted to know how Marilyn moved and acted because Travolta could do the most convincing and realistic Marilyn Monroe impersonation that Anton Leveay had ever seen. Straight as an arrow, that Joh Travolta. I'd just like to see it. I'd just like to see a straight guy give a give a lady a shot. Straight as a dilda. that J Travolta. I mean I mean fucking I mean hairspray He's an incredible drag queen. It really is. Inredible in Hairresspray. Yeah.. I' trying to figure out to Oh o Leveay also said that he took such a shining to Travolta that he did a satanic success ritual for John Tud during filming. And sure enough, shortly after Travolta did indeed book the role that would make him famous That's when he booked Vinny Barbarino on Welcome backack Cotter Yeah. And that is why John Travolta is in the opening credits because between the filming of the movie and the release of it, he got on Welcome backack Cotter and was immediately famous. W It happens all the time. a funny to do a ritual for a giant Satanic ritual to get. Welcome back, Cot. It's such a Oh To become a sweathog, let me just hear that name. Let me hear you do it one more time. I just need to hear to make sure of was Oh mr Cot Yes, I can see it now. Travalta was brutal and carary though. He was He very much was Yeah, but that was't W wasn't brural Mukam Mat Cotter? No should have been.. But you know, he he had his little taste of Satanism. I think he was able to channel it in the other place. There's many people that have had a run in with both But while John Traw' encounter with Anton Maveay is one of those forgotten pieces of Hollywood trivia, the celebrity relationship that has become legendary over the decades is Anton's long friendship with the singer, actor, and entertainer Sammy Davis Jr.. Mr. Bod Jangle.. I love Sammy Davis Jr.. Oh, how could you not? I love him. He's amazing. Now I always thought that Sammy Davis Jr's reputation as a Satanist was a joke, a passing fancy overblown throughout the years. because it is objectively insane that a member of Frank Sinatra's Rp pack It was a devoted Satanist. But while it is insane, it is also Very true. And it shockingly makes a lot of sense. It does. Was it public? At times, yeah. he would talk about it. He wrote about it in his books and he wouldinatra new So not well We're gonna to get to that here in a bit about Sinatra's opinions on it and how it may have affected Sammy Davis Jr.'s relationship with Anton M Lvee. Oh o. yeah, it's interesting because it also brings Anton Lvee one step closer to Don Rickles again. Yeah, right We. By the way, the information about Sammy Davis Jr. and Anton Levee mostly comes from astic Rolling Stone article written a couple of years ago called Inside Sammy Davis Jr.'s Secret Satanic Past by Alex Botaargi. And fucking it's a really great read. And I watch a great documentary on him and he really Sammy Davis Jr. is just w what a Comated figure. Extraordinarily complicated. His song The Joker is a must for any comedian. It is. Mr. Bojenangles is incred I love m. I love the song, Mr. Bojenangles. Yeah, Yeah. But you know, but But Simon Davis Jr was a singer Not a writer.xact just did a fantastic version of Mr. Bojangles and his version of Mr. Bojangles was sad. Yes. Yeah. That was knitting. Crety dirt band I believe the real boat Jangles. That's who I'm gonna to say it is without Googling. It was either them, Jerry Jeffalker or maybe Bob Dlan, I don't know But to understand how and why Sammy Davis Jr. was so drawn to Satanism You got to understand Sammy Davis Jr. And in understanding Sammy Davis Jror, you might understand why a lot of people are drawn to the Church of Satan See, more than even most performers, Sammy Davis Junr was driven and defined by a constant and desperate need for acceptance, which came mostly from the complications and humiliations that he had to deal with as a Back American born in nineteen twenty five. Hailing from Harlem, Sammy Davis Jr.'s parents were both vaudeville entertainers. But while his dad was black, his mother was Cuban and strangely incredibly racist Sammy's own mother would hurl racist remarks at Sammy from birth, telling him that he looked like a little monkey and not in a cute way.. And his mother never let him forget how dark his skin really was. She did it. That's that That's a la complicated. It compomlicated. It complicated. And he was he was one of those where he never went school. No. he could barely read or write. Natural entertainer. Sted performing at the age of three. Youd say natural entertainer, but they also kind of force it on him, but he also was natur. fuck school. Exactly. He Baby Ruth was good in school. You think Bruce Lee fucking Dad math? It's twenty six. P people need to go to school. schools good now. I ain't go to no fucking schools. We know you're not anymore. You went to elementary school, junior high and high school. I did graduate high school. You graduate bunch you like way too many years of community college. I went there for a couple years and did nothing. Yeah. I wrote on the school paper. That was my only class. That's nice Yeah Well, Sammy Davis Junior. toured extensively throughout his childhood until he was drafted to fight in World War two in nineteen forty three. But after spending years absorbing cheers and applause from crowds, he was now dealing in the army with racial slurs and physical violence from white soldiers. Davis' nose was broken repeatedly. That's what gave him, know's got that flat Bridge On his nose, it came from soldiers breaking his nose over and over and over again That wasn't be a hard time He was also a small guy. Yeah. he was five four. He was a very small guy. That wasn't even close to the worst of it. Soldiers would cover his body in white paint. they'd write the N word on his chest. once they even soaked him in urine. The only time he wasn't abused, he said, was when he was performing for those same soldiers, which just gotta fuck you up. Also, it's crazy that he just ran with white dudes Like like is this is part of the complicated thing of Sammy Davis Jr. by the te I hate us. Sammy Davis Jr. wanted to make it in show business and he knew compomicate a relationship he would have to string in order to make it make it, make it, which means he would need to be entered into, which is at this point, a barred off white person's world. and he would need to be invited into it which did did happen. And there were a couple of guys. There was that one that put his whole family on. They put them on when they were younger and they put Samy J and it was the first guy to ever touch man was this guy I forgot his name. It was his host where he took Sammy Davis Jr. and he kissed him on the cheek and it changed everything. It was a segregated show. You hate or ingratiate himself with a bunch of people who hated him do it. He made a lot of compromises and, you know, as we're about to get into like Really bad fucking reputation. It's it. Now after his discharge, Sammy Davis Jir returned to the stage and soon skyrocketed to stardom. But after the near fatal car crash in nineteen fifty four that gave him his trademark glass eye, Sammy started questioning the nature of God and spirituality because Sammy Davis Jror was a seeker of spiritual knowledge. And he automatically understood this idea of, oh, God gives me these challenges, theseese are just challenges and shit Wh Wh? Now he started with scientology, but thankfully moved on to Judaism with all due speed But reportedly, after he told his Jewish friend, the comedian Jerry Lewis that he'd converted to Judaism, Lewis said, and I'd like you to take this one, Eddie. Well, you don't have the problems already Which is an incredibly funny Jewish. He is and apparently he learned Hebrew. Yeah. Billy Crystal said he would call him for Challenges of the soul. Yeah. He would call him as his rabbi. No he was really good to Billy Crystal notoriously Yeah But while Sammy's fame was still rising, he continually had to put up with bullshit from people who didn't accept him for who he was. When he joined Frank Sinatra, Dan Martin, and the rest to form the Rat pack in the fifties, Davis found himself the butt of many a racist joke. Sinatra routinely called Davis smokey. And he said that Davis had to smile to be seen in the dark Dean Martin was fond of picking up the diminutive Sammy Davis Jr. saying that he would like to thank the NAACP for this wonderful trophy. He was a prop. Yeah. and he knew that he served a function within the rat pack and it became at first he thought he had power over it, but then the bigger the rat pack got, the more it became like aimed at him. Yeah. Yeah. Well, those old Rose, those old Dean Martin Rose were so racist. He was barely a part of them though. Yeah, he didn't do any of that really. Yeah Sammy Davis Jr. had also married a white woman, and his interracial marriage had caused quite the stir amongst the establishment. So when Sammy Davis Jr. entered the nineteen sixties, he was seen as too forward thinking for the whites, but because of his association with the rat pack He was seen as too much of an uncle Tom for black radicals. But he was a hardcore like guy before that. I mean, he joined Martin Luther King Jror at the March on Washington and in Selma, he was on the KKK's kill list At the Black power radicals of the sixties, theyw Sammy Davis Jr. as an assimilationist, and they were none too fond of him marrying a white woman either So after divorcing his wife for unrelated reasons, Davis chased acceptance in the black community by growing his hair into a big afro, buying a few designer Dashikis, and dating a black woman named Altevise Gore whom he eventually married. Now it must be said at this point that Sammy Davis junior had an insatiable sexual appetite. Yeah And Altavise Gore was fully accepting when Davis told her that the only way it was gonna work as if they had an open marriage Which is satanic. Yeah must have been jangles. You can't just let him have one late. But despite his efforts, Sammy Davis junior still spent the sixties as a pariah amongst his own people and a prop amongst the whites. Pus, because he wasn't a songwriter, he didn't have any money from royalties. All of his movies also flopped because his audience was aging and the kids in the sixties didn't give a shit about Sammy Davis junior So in a desperate bid to be wanted by anybody, Sammy made an extremely ill advised appearance at the nineteen seventy two Republican convention where he hugged a visibly uncomfortable Richard Nixon on stage. whichich you know that fucker should have been thinking his lucky stars that Sammy Davis junior wanted to be and standing next to him and it's really fun It's that because it did. It fucked up Sammy Davis Jior's whole life. Oh Yeah and the whole rp pack was there, I imagine No. It was just Sammy Davis Juni. It was a real it was a the pictures really like it's Sammy Davis Juni. He's hugging Richard Dixy. He's got his eyes closed and Nixon looks like he's like get the fuck off of me. Yes. It looks It's bad for everybody And the backlash, of course nearly ruined Sammy's career. But after he appeared on an episode of the controversial sitcom All in the Family, in which he adlibbed a shocking kiss with Archie Bunker, the show's resident bigot, Sammy Davis Junior had a little bit of cultural cache. And he wrote that whole thing. Yes. He didn't surprise all of them Davis therefore got a meeting with NBC to discuss projects. And Davis pitched an idea about a guy who worked Dude he did your pretty face going We're gonna get to that un We're gonna to get to that un. I have some questions about that. But coincidentally, NBC already had a comedy with a similar concept with a working title Beat the deevil, written by the same guys who'd helmed Bewitched. So you know they already knew a little bit about witchiness, Satanism, so on and so forth. Yeah. Their idea was folded into Sammy's idea of a satanic comedy and thus a show called pooor Devil, starring Sammy Davis Jr. as a damned soul named Sammy was born and put into production. Yeah, he couldn't be and bewitched because if he winked, he would have fell off. Yeah. A poor devil is, in essence, a satanic version of It's a wonderful life Davis plays a damned soul working the coal furnace who wants a promotion in a business like hell in which he's been working for over a thousand years to earn his satanic wings, so to speak, He has to convince an accountant at a department store on Eth, played by Jack Clugman from the Odd couple to sell his soul to the deevil. Payed by none other than Christopher Lee. Incredible c. Hey. It sounds incredible. Also Adam West is in it. ye ye But aside from a few entertaining moments, it is surprisingly bland. It has good ideas, but it's still written like a nineteen seventy three NBC TV movie. It's got terrible pacing, way too much filler, and a lot of bad jokes. I bet they made them cut all the cool shit. Of course. But the way hellt piss ivers Piles of rapists playing basketball. Speaking of piss ivers, the way hell is structured on the show is more of a business. It's fairly similar to how your show, yourret Face is Go to Hell, is set up. So, do you know if fucking Dave Willis and Caspper Kelly, do you know if they ever saw a poor devil? I'm literally emailing him right now. I wna know I'm ask about them right now. I'm literally going to ask them right now you were like mad when Marcus was describing the plot, but it's like this obviously came out way before. It's seventy three. nineteen seventy three. What wass it called again? Poor devil. Poor devil Yeah. And it's you know it's an h it's about an hour, ten minutes long and it's fully like it is like Sammy's character, his, you know, damn soul character, he even has like a girlfriend who works reception, you know, there's offices. It's pretty face. It's a great idea. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's a great idea. Yeah. It's almost like a show that should still be on television It show could have continued for a bunch of years if the entire network continued to exist. can't now because they destroyed the network and they they took the building down. they tore the building down where we did it all. Some would say it ran its course D! You fucker! It did. I loved it. I could I could have seen it. I could have seen more. I could have seen much more. It's definitely, you know, your best work. thinkink Yeah, it is cliving this. Yeah You know, I actually have no problem agreeing with you.. Now while poor Devil is not good, it does have far more satanic overtures than anyone watching at home may have realized. and that was all due to Sammy Davis Jr. The most entertaining part of the whole show, in fact, is Sammy Davis Jr. mugging while flashing the Devil Horn salute. He's got even got one little fingernail painted red The executive producer of the show was impressed by these little details that Sammy Davis Jr. put into the show, thinking that Sammy had merely done extra research for the role But what nobody knew was that Sammy Davis junior had been dancing around the Church of Satan for years and had even participated in Satanic rituals in the late sixties. Hollywood used to be so much more fun Holl used to be better. Sammy Davis Jior himself wrote He wrote in nineteen sixty eight back when the Church of Satan was still hip He got an impromptu invitation from a group of young actors who were all attending a Church of Satan ritual in the Hollywood Hills. At the ceremony, Davis saw a hooded priest insert a massive dildo into a naked woman lying atop an altar, and much to the approval of the famously horny Sammy Davis junior who also enjoyed his substances Quite a bit, the whole thing ended in a drug fueled orgy. Yeah, I like the way this is going here catch. That's why Sammy Davis Jr.. I'm trying to get it. Yeah, it's hard to do. I was trying to on. Yeah. Yeah, Davis wrote, quote It was all fun in games and dungeons and dragons and debuchery. Okay, I can't understand what you're saying. I can't understand what you're saying at all. All right. It's not fun in games, and ituctons into dragons and debauchery. Okay, I'll try. I'll try. It was all fun in games and dungeons and dragons and debauchery. And as long as the chick was happy and wasn't really gonna get anything sharper than a dildo stuck in way, I wasn't gonna walk away from it. That sounds like Samy That's a real low bar. Yeah ye, it is a low bar sharper than a dildo As long as we're not gonna murder it. Yeah I'm here. Ething elseall. And as long as she's into it. That' like as long as she's happy. But besides the sex, the point here was that the Church of Satan had a policy of radical acceptance for better or worse. And Sammy Davis Jr. was a man who had spent his entire life searching for a place where he could be accepted and wanted for who he actually was rather than what people thought he should be. Well, you know, we went through scientology first even before Judam Yeah I mentioned it. Yeah. So were you listening Yeah. No we I don't know if you said but he went he got hardcore slightly in a scientology very first then the Judaism hit and he liked Judaism and he did that. Yeah. And then he really was just like He was truly like I just love this guy, an old school Hollywood guy, He was just like spiritually seeking. Yeah and super mixed up and dropped into an incredibly hard situation, an incredibly hard time to be, you know, a black American. And the church of Satan madeade him happy. Yeah and they they and they and they accepted him. you know Now, Sammy was, as as we said, a natural born seeker. So he learned what he could about Satanism and later put those details into poor devil. But when the TV movie finally aired in nineteen seventy three, setet in San Francisco, no less. There was someone down at LeVis's black house watching poor deevil with rapped interest viewer was Diane Hagarty, co founder of the Church of Satan. And when Jack Klugman's character is trying to find Sammy halfway through the show, Klugman reached for the phone and exclaimed The Church of Satan dntown. They'll know how to reachem And with that mention of the Church of Satan on a mainstream TV show, Diane Hagarti later said that she nearly fell out of her chair