The Reality of Unsolved Murders

glues. That's when the cannibalism started. Last update on the left You know what I'm realizing now is that for so long I always kind of thought that the smells associated with Henry Lou Lucas and Atda's Tool, like one of the Wst smells would be the habitual cigarettes cigarette smoke Now I'm starting to understand I just recently was like watching footage Javad' Tool talking alone to a reporter in a room chain smoking Yeah. And then there' it started to understand in my brain. I was like, Oh no, the smoke is good Care to them. Yeah, it covers up the body odor, the smell of Oddys toool. I think that' the scent of Henry Lee Lucas. The smoke was like a to a tool by Addys tool. Yeah to sort of almost ingratiate him to people in a way. Yeah, do you really want to experience essence of Oddys? No, because if you experience essence of Oddys Oddys, you end up as a fucking child with no head. The Only time Oddys washed himself is when Police hit him with a hose. Thank you. You the last update on the left, everyone. My name iss Marcus Parks I'm here with Hry'sasket. No you're not you're here without its to. And I'm the most randed tallest oldest man you've ever seen who's also yet a boy. Oh yeah. havere you enjoying your time in prison? Oh yeah, if they knew how good of a time I'd have, they'd let me out. You had any conjugible visits from me? I hear you're quite the ladies man. I push themem on people Sometimes people find out we're about to have one And of course, Ed Larson. Hi, how you doing? What's going on? And I'm rooting for him here despite the fact that the dolphins are playing today. Wow. T to say Titans three dolphins zero W it as much. really you know the game started like seconds ago. If there was one episode where it's appropriate to follow the dolphins as you record it's today. What's incredible is that it's actually the second quarter the second the show started the Titan score. And we'll be giving updates on how the dolphins are doing throughout the episode. But the reason why we're talking about Odest tool is because we are returning to Henry Lee Lucas because we we talked about him quite a bit in the last update, but there was a lot of information that we didn't get to. a lot of stuff that we didn't talk about in our first go round with Henry Lee Lucas because I believe our only sources back then were a trashy supermarket true crime paperback and the book Hand of Death. that was co written by the Christian lady who visited Atdist Tool in Prison. And it gave a birk we world of conspiracy theory that now we're still dealing with. Yeah so very much in the present conversation because program to kill was by Dave McGowan, which is a big part of the sort of I would say the black pilled world that does fully believe that serial killers are trained by CIA and that the CIA then uses the serial killers to kill and procure children in order to use their magical powers to fuel the reptilian overlords that are the actual US government. Come on, the Reptilian stuff isn' that That's a bridge too far. It is' not too far. He did spend a lot of time in Florida Yeah There's lots of reptiles down there. Now here's I'm going I'm going to admit something that's going to make me sound ignorant I don't know the pill thing The black pill, the red pill It means nothing. Don't wor about it anyd. What pill am I? What pill did I intend? J green pill. for when I smoke my goddamn pill. What Iucking stop with the pill for smo The case me the l's hurting. but I'll do it. if it gets me fucking Oh Well, I mean, there is a large contingent of people that believe that Henry Lee Lucas, along with a fair amount of other serial killers, were trained by either the CIA or even some sort of organization that might even be above the CIA. Oh ye We loosely talk stepped on this. Yeah. I mean and there was a whole, but that's the thing There was this book, we were actually gonna to go into this maybe for the live show that we're touring right now. we decided to go a different direction, enjoy quite a bit more. Yeah. But we were thinking about going on a program to kill, but we realized that program to kill is mostly informed by Hand of Death, which was the book that Henry Lee Lucas and Aist Tool. I guess you could say they kind of dictated it. and they also they yes ended just any wacky shit that anyone said They were like, Oh, yep, I did that. And then also I took the little girl's guts and I put them into my pants and the government said that that's what they wanted me to do. Hey, listen we don't know. I don't know what half the forms of my taxes mean. So I don't know Mbe that's why I was running up all these issues for all these years is that I never once fucked a child's intestines. prorogram to Kill also mentions Mark Dutois. that's a different story altogether. But those are the things he sort of loosely ties together. You know, this is sort of a hint that we might one of those little subjects I'd love to do is Dave McGowan. I'd love to go into his life. His life was actually very interesting Yeah. But that idea of the US being involved in the training of serial killers is I just don't think they need the training. They seem to kind of be self starters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if they were if they were over in like other countries, if there was American serial killing in other places then I'd be like, o,be, but maybe that's where they go to vacation. It makes no sense. Why would they want to kill just, you know, random girls all the time Becauseuse they're upset. they're angry atie. They say end game. They say Well the end game is to create a fear state in America and allow us to be ruled by the CIA and ruled by araps up government That a for se But they would just shoot. But that's what the CI is trying to do they'rerapping up loose ends. They're procuring children for various blackmailing problems and blackmailing they use kids to blackmail other politicians and get them to do what they want them to do. and then also just because they like it. Okay. And that's Black Pill. Black Pill just means you're sad all the time and you think Black Pill means you're on the Reddit and you think you know better because you don't go anywhere. Yeah. But the hand to death stuff like it's Not only is it like ridiculous, but we also know it's not true just because of how much Henry Lee Lucas lied. And that's kind of where we left off the last episode was all of Henry Lee Lucas's false confessions and the aftermath of those false confessions and what happened when he finally said Actually no, I didn't kill no one but my mother. It was this guy his name was Vic Fiesel. We didn't really talk about this during our series. this guy Vic Fiesel sounds like Vin Diesel trying to make up a fake name in the hotel. Well this guy's an actual hero. Vic Fiesel was DA in Waco and he like everybody else in Texas, he had Henry Lee Lucas fever Yeah did. Yeah everyone did because Henry Lucas was closing cases left and right. The cops in Dallas though, like they were, I really got to give it to the Dallas PD because you know, we're getting a lot of stuff from the Netflix series, the confonfession killer. And they talked to a woman who was a cold case detective had like a really high clearance rate. ninety four percent. ninety four percent was fucking killing it. And you know and sometimes when someone has a clearance rate that high, especially a homicide detective, we've actually we've seen this. I think we saw New York City. I think there was actually one here as well where they had these detectives with these super high clearance rates and it turns out that they were just forcing people into false confessions And that's how they got their really high clearance rates. Well it makes sense because then that's how you get them. Yeah. But this woman was not doing that. She was actually solving cases because she went down to Georgetown. They had Henry Lucas down in Georgetown. Freaky little jail. Yeah. It' the tiniest little like you easily could have I mean killedz would had no problem with this little jail. I actually feel like I think Dod Rram could have taken out this jail. I think he would have tried to drive the jail. And so this woman goes down to talk to Henry Lee Lucas and gives him a couple of like three Dallas cases and he's like, o, yeah, I did that and yeah, did that and. Yeah I did that. ye Yep,, yeep, I was there I remember her screaming yeep, that one I got ice cream after. I did that and that was always his big on as. I did that. I did that But you know, she's a damn good detective. She knows when someone's lying. She knows when someone's bullshitting. So she goes back to Dallas and her cops are like, all right, well here's what you do Like put together a bogus case file, like put together bullshit photos, a bullshit report, bullshit everything. Take it back down to him S see what he says And she did that, she did for three cases. And thing is that she's having to go against the Texas Rangers at this point because at this point, the Texas Rangers are the ones who have Henry L Lucas in their care. They're the ones they're in charge of the Henry L Lucas task force. because what the Texas Rangers were doing is they were getting a real big fucking hard on bringing every police department from around the country to come down to this tiny little jail in Texas and talk to Henry Lee Lucas and put their cold cases in front. Come on now, get your cases cleaar. J you know. Henry Lee Lucas is live. and he says yes. Were you made to look like an idiot by another idiot Yes, that and two shirts are being made very soon. And that and talk is actually the number one podcast currently where he's on there talking to all your favorite Kardashians saying yes to their crimes as well. Do you have the parents of dead children banging down your door? You want to get rid of them today? The worst part of man is they don't stop until justice is served. So come on down and get a hot pipe and plate of justice Make sure you grab it in pal malls, y'all. In a strawberry milkshake. Damn. But they were having so many police departments coming down to bring their ct cases to Henry L Lucas. They had a line and they would give each Police deepartment twenty minutes with Henry Lee Lucas. feel like it's like naked gun. you have like one is like, you know, the head of police from Ghana. He's got like a crazy hat on and a spear guysy like from China, logically the big h you like like the big flowing robes. And every single person that came in, every single cop that came in with their case They'd sh them the photos Oh yeah, I did that and Yeah Yeah I did that and too. And you just got that. Yeah like a woman dead next to her like a washer machine and he'd be like killed her by the washer machine. And they're like Wow, he knew the killer by the washer machine Hown the killer would know such a thing. Now, can I ask honestly now this is probably one of those questions.' why I'm asking here with the poet and the comedian, which is These big men wrong Texas Rangers. Texas Rangers. No, my question is is that yes, it does clear their clearance, right, right? It's not even there But much they're not even their cases. They're doing On some level, don't you asli hardcore investigator or whatever. donon't you like wantan to solve the crime for real I think that some of these people it's kind of like what you joked about earlier, Ed's like, do you have O parents to dead children knocking down your door? Seriously or is it like looking to going to a psychic and trying to get questions? It almost kind of almost feels like that where it's like you're looking to go talk to I think they just want the W That's they want they want the W. They can sleep at night knowing that that case is off is done. the family can have a little bit of peace knowing that that's done. And I think they figures like, well, even if it doesn't all make total sense like, well, maybe he's remembering something wrong, you know, you they can justify anything, but yeah, it's just it's just getting it's turning the red to black and that's it. It also just seems like this is my own opinion that they were like just doing it to I don't know, escape the actual work they were supposed to be doing. Exactly. You know, because it just happenedy Lucas old goddamn day. Well the thing is about a lot of these murders is you know, these are A lot of these murders, like they're not coming from Milwaukee, you know, or fucking Detroit or anywhere where murder is like a daily occurrence. L they're coming from small towns all over Texas where a fucking woman shows up with her fucking head chopped off and they're like what do we do? Yeah. Like they'd never investigated a murder in their lives. Yeah No idea cops in the town. They don't help in my town, there was one. and he was also the school janitor he needed his time really spent on grooming those kids I campta the street There's all this poopoo to arrest. smaller cuffs. He, Greg was all right. We had our differences, but he was all right. I'm mopping up this crime You know it is a crime would be on the toilet seat, little Jimmy. You know I could take you down to the station and put cuffs on you and sit you with rapist running You want remember him? He used to teach Jem. So yeah, these Texas Rangers, they're running this sport and they' they think that they're helping, but they're also very much enjoying being the people who are helping these cases to be solved. You know, their chests are puffed up and you know, the Texas Rangers is a complicated organization. Oh It's known to be highly racist. extraordinarily so. It's known to be corrupt. It's known to have fucked up many things throughout the years. It's some a lot of good baseball team. Yeah. I mean, yeah, they used to be owned by a war criminals. Yeah. L Texas rangers they got grrey hats Yeah, Great hats. Yeah, Setsins. loveove their hats. Yeah two bel. loveove their belts. They could wear two belts. but I one for the pants, one for the gun. I get we a huge badge sewn onto the shirt. Yeah I don't like that. This a come on. I you know the metal bad. Texas Rangers I I like it of Texas Rangers. we also we might have some Texas states com up soon, but just remember that. But's if there's one word I would use to describe a lot of the Texas, especially the Texas Rangers they interviewed in the documentary series, arrogant the word that I'd use veryery, very arrogant, very full of themselves, very much full of purpose and they don't really give a shit. If they know what's what they know what's what and they're going tell you what's what. And you know what you ain't going to argue with me because I know man when he looks me in the ey I know when he's telling the truth and Henry Lucas, he was telling me the truth. I know he's telling me the truth can't lie to an angel. I honestly think though it's a funny joke, but I do think that there is a concept here of so Henry Lee Lucas, I feel like a lot of media And even just life in general You see how far someone's willing to go if they see the role They're meant to take. Yeah, right. So like Henry L Lucas, while he wasn't a savvy man, he did understand eighty seven IQ. eighty seven. Yeahah, he was he was legally Stupid. And so he went to understand he's getting good things out of this, right? So he has a very easy up and down name about why he is confessing to all these things, which we basically have considered. It's because he got to sit in a place where they gave him cigarettes and milkschickakes. Yeah. And he got to stay off death row. And you got to stay off death row. and I think that's important. And on field trips all the fucking time.ly rememember from the last episode, my dad saw him on one of the field tripses But then when he took the role of the world's worst serial killers. Yeah. It's very important for the police to back up the role because then what they then do is see this all fosters just how powerful and wise our justice system is. Not only have we effectively caught one of the worst monsters to ever live and he's now spilling his guts because we've hacked him open and he's here and this shows you what justice does. like this is And so they're feeding into a fantasy as well that puffs them up and it makes them want to work. It makes them like And it also helps to I think it really for a lot of them help to alleviate, you the chaos of the seventies. Oh yeah J just how horrible, you know, the murder rates were and how horrible the crime rates were in the seventies, I say it again and again, but we can't imagine how bad it really was in America during the nineteen seventies. And I think with them taking Henry Lee Lucas and having him say like, I did this murder and that murder and that murder and him saying like I did over three hundred murders they could rest a little easier know it's like, okay one of the Like guys there's one there's one guy. There's one guy out there that's responsible for all of this chaos. It's not like it's three hundred and sixty guys better responsible for all this chaos. It's one guy. It's just one bad apple. So that way they can also feel a little they can feel a little bit better about America. They can feel a little bit better about society. You know, if it's just one guy instead of, you know, three hundred. And that's why I think with the three hundred, I actually think a lot of the program to kill stuff got It shows the power Oh. Be careful who you pretend to be because we are who we pretend to be Yeah because Henry L Lucas His series of confessions made somebody like Dave McGowell say, there's no way that idiot could have done all of this in one way. So now he's now definitely sure that he was trained by the fucking government to kill because how else could that moron kill that many people for such a long period of time and such a scattered sense of MO's? It makes him feel more correct So in the end, it's just like idiots being idiot, being iots going all the way down the road. Exactly. But that also but being an idiot. I mean, remember that famously Gary Ridgway's IQ is lower. I think is his is eighty two. Well, he was special. All right And he was born at it. He was a prodigy. He was By Ruth, you know, same IQ. Yeah. But Ruth used to drink Sotch,' eat hot dogs for breakfast and then go people were like, what a bad assle. I was like, I think he just thought it was brown water and that's what you ate. But yeah, Gary Ridgeway made sense. You know, he killed every one of his victims in one corridor in the Pacific Northwest Henry Lucas didn't make any sense, you know, all the different ways that he, you know, killed people, you know or supposedly killed people confessed to killing people. And he had, you know, there were twenty different victim types, that doesn't happen either You know, just nothing about Henry L Lucas made sense. Back to like way back to this cop that's coming down from Dallas. She goes down and she shows him all these bogus case files and he, of course, every single one of them he's like Yep And they're like, this guy's full of shit. And so DA from Waco brings Henry L Lucas up and he's starting to see the same thing. likeike he's asking questions of Henry Lee Lucas and he's also seeing Okay, this guy is absolutely full of shit. but this DA Vic Fiesel, he is ambitious. Like this is a guy who's, you know, DA is the first stepp in stone. Like he's got ambitions possibly for a you, governor. You know, they said this guy could have been president. They said like one guy said he was Bill Clinton before Bill Clinton. like he could have got there. So he's looking for the photo op President Fiesel. I don't know. Yeah, President Fiesel. I don't know if I like the names Rhymes with Weasel E eas.' done. He's done. He's not even making it to government What if he was an artist, you could have been feas the easel. Yeah because but he's not heuck not. He didn't choose that. That would help. to this got can help. But yeah, he decided that Henry Lee Lucas was going to be what he made his name on, but that's the thing is in order to do that, he had to go against the Texas Rangers. Yeah. And the problem with going against the Texas Rangers is that at the time the head of the Texas Rangers, the job that man had had, I can't remember his name off the top of my head, but the job he had before that was P the FBI director under J Edgar Hoover. Oh yeah, yeah ye. Coen Telpro. had been one of his big things. I feel that he might not be a super reasonable man. He might have a strong sense of self. Yeah. he's Well he's definitely not a man that you cross No he's definitely not a man that you cross. But this was the guy who was, you know, the programs that he was a part of, you know, all the harassment of Martin Luther King, the harassment of like John Lennon. Oh yeah, know it' that all the break in RFK like all of the blackmail, all the horrible shit tired to being the head of the Texas Rangers. Yes. He went for because I think he got If I remember correctly, he like went when Congress found out about Cohen Tel Pro and they're like, this is bad. You shouldn't be doing this. He's like, you know what I'm going do go down to Texas. No I don't need here in DC. I got to go downwards easy and breezy Central Texas. Yeah, no if Florida is where you know, horrible people go where no one cares. Texas is where horrible people go and people are really into it. Yeah. So yeah, this guy' the Texas. Yeahah, he was the head of Texas Rangers at the time And so he basically destroyed Vic Fiesel's life. Yes. I mean, he he like what did he do? Like he killed his dog. Yeah poisoned his fucking dog And then ran through his whole house, rightight? Didn't he just like see they threw a bunch of bullhit on him? Yeah. and then they just like tore his house apart. Yeah fucking they they went through his like he said his Everything in his freezer they opened up and threw on the floor because his essential job was that he would become Henry Lou Lucas's lawyer, right? Isn't the idea? Eventually he becomes Henry Lucas' lawyer. Fel. And the goal really was to prove that he was full of shit. Yeah, the goal is to prove that Henry Luke was full of shit. That's so funny to go into because Let me remind me because Henry Lee Lucas As he was going to he ended up to the fact that he didn't maybe know Right? Yeah towards the end of his life where Henry L Lucas was he was saying like I don't know if I did that. Well, that's the thing is that when Vic Fiesel brought him to Waco, it's like eighty four, eighty five, he said then Yeah that I didn't kill nobody. And he's like, I killed my mother and that's it. And then Fiesel was trying to hide him from the Rangers. Yeah. Yeah, who were using him Yeah the Rangers were using him Well, that's what the Texas Rangers say is that like, yeah, you put in front of the Texas Rangers. He's going to want to please the Texas Rangers. You put him in front of a DA who said that he doesn't want him to be a murerer and he's going to try to please him. So he's going to say he didn't do it. I actually think that they're not necessarily wrong. I think he's just saying whatever long as someone' smiling at him and not going like, Henry get out of that dumpster. seems to just be like He's my friend Also anything to stay off a death row. But that's the thing is that when the Texas Rangers took Henry L Lucas back Saying like no, I didn't do it. I lied about all that deadlocking Y'all just ack didn't do that at all. No not that That wouldn't me And out of Sou shows up eighth may. who then I guess he just absolved everything. he just threw everything to Henry. Yeah. know and Henry Lucas he actually from that point forward would say like, yeah, I didn't I didn't do any of these. I did he said, I killed my mother and that was it. But that was the weird thing about it is that he would say he killed his mother and that was it. but What kicked all this off, of course, was that he was able to take police to his remember his, you know, his little hitchhiker, Becky. Yes. Aistool's cousin, the eleven year old girl that came along with him is that he was able to take police directly to Becky's body. Yeah, he definitely did definitely but that was the weird thing is that after he talked to Vic Fiesel and came back from that. he's like, I only killed my mother. I never killed Becky. And that was one of the incredible fucking parts of the story later on. So like after like Vic Fiesel Keep. went through hell. I mean, they hit him with a bunch of bogus charges and you know, it turn he was taking bribes said he was taking bribes for DWI like lighter DWI sentences. put them under racketeering, all that shit. Every. And so he went to trial for it like fully went trial and all and exongerated himself he he got he was found not guilty And then he u decided to have a libel case, like file a libel case against the television station that had run like a big eight part investigative report about him. Yeah. And through like a bunch of FOA requests and subpoenas and all kinds of shit, he found out that the government had gone to a bunch of local lawyers in Waco and it pressured them into testifying that Big Fiesel had taken bribes from them like They brought dudes from the IRS into the room and be like so u You get mine a V Fzel I' like, No, I don't know, but they're like This guy here at the IRS really wants to know if you took money from Vic Fiesel And these guys ended up testifying like, yeah, I took money from Vick Fiesel or I gave money to Vick Fiesel. you know, because no shame Yeah to get their clients off. Yeah to get their clients off Yeah and then they got caught. Yeah, and they got they got caught. And it was also discovered that the Texas Rangers were working in conjunction with The news channel where the news channel had showed up and taken care like the news channel had met the Texas Rangers at a hotel and the Texas Rangers had given them all these bogus files on Vic Fiesel and said like, go after him and they ran this big eleven part series. Yeah like once a week they would do like a special on the news about something evil that Vic Fiesel was doing. Yeah. And then after that, once the charges were brought up The grand jury, the only evidence the grand jury was shown to indict Vic Fiesel for bribery and racketeering was the fucking eleven part news report that was done on him. Oh man. And so five months they were there. really showed them. Yeah, five months. Ander help Henry Lee Lucas. That's the fucking proble of Vic. That's the fucking proble cy. You should have used that for anybody else. Wh him? Well I don't know if he was want to help like it was I think it was a publicity honestly, I think it was a publicity something that got out of hand. it s like he wanted the photo op and he wanted the he wanted to be able to say like, I'm going up against corruption I the Rangers. I'm going up against corruption in Texas. I'm rooting out corruption in Texas. And, you know, he stumbled onto something crazy Yeah he's also thirty two years old at the time. Yeah. L he's just he's a baby. Yeah man. he doesn't know a thirty two year old baby. I know that is. I'm just a forty year old child myself play with my wiener pissing my pants. Imagine taking on the fucking FBI and the Texas Rangers at thirty two T years ago. Where were you ten years ago. Iust imagine. I could see me doing that like on like taking on both r a seven hundred eleven like being chained. And so Vic Fiesel, of course he wins the libel suit and wins the largest libel settlement in history. It's in the Guinness Book of World Records. That's correct. What is it? fifty eight million eight million. But that's from the news channel and the news reporter He wasn't allowed you're not allowed to sue the Rangers or the FBI. Yeah, good for them. Yeah, they have a governmental immunity. Oh, that's good for that. they totally destroy your life and you can't do anything about it. Well that's why we're big fans here of the Texas Rangers. and just so you know, you get ten percent off your speeding ticket at the Texas Rangers website. you can put in the code last Pod ninety. And so Vick Fiesel after he goes through all of this shit, like he resigns from the DA's office. Like I think he did like pecially after you get that paycheck. Why am I putting myself through this? Oh my God. He made himself an injury law firm. Yeah. Heiterally said, fuck this. I'm just gonna to go back to broken legs and feel like I' get your vagina burnt Well, he decided that he was going to represent Henry Lee Lucas for a little while. L I't think he did it pro bono O mean, of course, because I mean, what you gonna get paid in stories milkshakes. Oh man, by the time Big Fusal came around he only had three or four of them left. Yeah. Honestly I could just keep it to the soup. That pretty good. Can we stnop by Hellen Hardy? That's the amazing thing about Inry Lucas When he got to be an old man, he looked like, you know how some old men look like massive babies? He does He looks like a huge, toothless baby. It looks like a shave care b. He really is gross. He's Winnie the O. That's what he looks like. He is gross. And it's hard because I mean, honestly, even in I think in jail they gets dentures. You the middle of Texas, I don't know what they give you. What is it about some people just you went to Huntsville right after that. Can I ask s st Sideestorece LOT L g emmail. com. Why do some people just choose notot to get dentures. Yeah and just go full on mouth bone to mouth bone. They could be very uncomfortable. Yeah. And, you know, maybe if they weren't so lazy, they'd still have teeth.. I don't think you. Unless you've lost your teeth due to like some form of Aident poisoning. Yeah, I guess drug use. But if they're just popping out, man, that's not good. He was concerned with No he was not No no, he wasn't. neither because you know who didn't complain? Oddys. Yeah Add. Oh, Oddys just knew that teeth were just getting the way of Dick. He was That's why he was a fucking proper man Oh my God. Well that's the thing is that Vic Fiesel, he got to be Henry Lee Lucas's defense attorney and they were eventually contacted by a woman who claimed to be Becky Powell. Supposedly the little girl that Henry Lee Lucas murdered all those years before. And since Henry Lee Lucas had, you know been proven a liar on so many of his confessions, it seemed like, well, maybe he lied about killing Becky as well. So let's check this woman out. They go down that, you know, Vic Fiesel interviews this woman. She's very convincing. She knows all these, you know details about Henry Lee Lucas' childhood and she knows all these details about, you know, Becky Powell's childhood H relatives or house, everything and then they bring her to Texas and there's this massive like they bring CNN to talk to this woman and like they bring her in and you know, because she does a li detector test and the guy who runs the test is like, this is Becky Powell, one hundred percent. They bring CNN huge deal, massive deal. And so Vic Fiesel figures I'm going to make another run at the Texas Rangers. like I'm going to make them look like fucking idiots with this woman And then the text strangers say, like, All right putut her under oath Let's see what she says. And when he said when heard putut her under oath, he's like Double check just want think about for a second. Are we really gonna to make this official? Don't we just like planning? Yeah. Don't we just like the meetings? That's really why I even email so I could talk to you, shheriff Henderson. So he sits Becky down for or quote unquote, Becky down for a real serious conversation And while he's talking to Becky trying to get her to tell the truth wife goes through Becky's luggage and finds a big stack of letters from Henry Lee Lucas. Wh's the real detective here. Seems like's real detective work. That's how you find out because it's hard. We keep threatening it, but we I've just really kind of booked it up. like the idea of professional liars like people who lie, even if it hurts you are so F fascinating to me. Like the people that do it just straight up for Essentially attention. Yeah Yeah. Like I don't know why like stick yourself into the story. L there's something about mayaybe it's because like May you look at Henry Le Lucas, Maybe it's like you think he reminds you of grandpa or he reminds you of something, there's just something about him that you want him. You think he's cute? know When he was confessing, he didn't look like grandpa. He looked like uncle. Oh yeah. ye. He look like uncle Uncle, Henry, but not in a good way. He had Kevin Klein hair for a while You was very wavy. Yeah. very wavy here. We had kind of a crisis stopingent mouth. He did. Well, there was a really interesting part of that documentary that was it talked about his like what psychiatrists said about him and what they found out about Henry Lucas mentally and like what his mental illnesses were And they said that there's a concept called confabulation where people some people that you know suffer from this have gaps in their memory, like massive gaps in their memory. canan't do anything about it, can't see anything like they just have these massive gaps and what they do is they fill in the gaps with stories. They fill in gaps with, you know, fantasy that comes from themselves. They'll fill in the gaps. like especially like if they're wanting to please someone, if someone is telling them a story. they'll fill in the gaps to please the person they're talking to off course because that makes that other person happy. And they said like Henry Lee Lucas' like rate of confabulation was off the charts. They said it was like just they'd said they'd never seen anything like seen a person like that. where they just, you know, they just pop in the details and that's why he was so convincing for so long for these people. And that's the thing is it's that he had that convincing aura about him, but the Texas Rangers like they I don't think they the men, I think the men that were really involved in this and the sheriffs, there was text strangers, there was also sheriffs. There was one sheriff that, you know, had Fucking fuck five murders in his county that were just sitting there on his conscience that, you know, couldn't couldn't do anything about him at all, just five fucking murders in a place where like murders did not happen. Yeah. Yeah what do you do? And so Henry Lee Lucas became like, they became friends because Henry Lee Lucas would he confessed to all of these murders, you know, and it came out that one of the murders was not a murder at all. The woman had a seizure while she was driving. Oh yeah so that didn she had a seizure while she was driving and she drove her car into a fucking quarry or something. Yeah because they found her body in in the water. Yeah, they found her body in the water and they found the necklace that she was wearing. And that was the things is that that's how they knew that The cops were feeding him information is and I mean, this is just one example out of you know, a dozen you know, them catching cops feeding him information is that this woman, you know, had a seizure while she was driving and drove into a fucking lake. and Henry Lee Lucas was able to describe the necklace that she was wearing that day whichich there would would have been completely impossible. Completely impossible. for him to to know what that woman was wearing when she had a seizure and drove into a fucking quarry. but because there's no and that happened again and again. And he was probably on the other side of the country at that point. Yeah, I think he was in Tallahassee. And it's just like I feel all these time where he's like claiming where he's doing murders and he doesn't remember what he did on those days. He's probably just in the side of the road drinking with all his tools. He literally was just getting pornhoold man. He was just getting turned over and over again by that horrible, horrible man. and the two of them together, you know what L's never horrible And I have to rem my I have to remember that love if there's love there and there's so much violence Yeah that we celebrate. Marcus celebrates shit iss not celebrated. The fact that love can't fast celebrated by. Yeah, this is the thing, but the fact that we don't like because that's what this should all be about. This entire series should be about Odest tool finding Henry Lee Lucas and what that was like for him I mean, when you see videos of the two of them together talking, the way they look at each other, They're the only it's almost like the Eiffel toowered dead girl next to each other. You know what I mean way? Yeah That's the only way that bond comes. Oh yeah. It's like two bus boys who get too close. you're like, we're have to fire one of these guys. They're plotting now The the odest tool, what I also likeed when I was watching a bunch of interviews of him He sits like Maggie like Dave Maggie Grace. likeike he sits like what's her name? Maggie Stop. Maggie Smith. Shesead. Yeah. Yeah. hes like her. Yeah, she's fun de. You know, because that really look exolute Yeahepess he came back from the dead. his kill her Yeah killed Chris Christoperson killed the guy from Beverly Hills cop that just Tagger kill Tager. killed Tager. He killed Tager. Yeah, ye. P wrote. Yeah without withithout his final vindication. about how cheating is okay. Speaking of sports, Tennessee Titans six, Miami Dlphins three., out is toool in fucky game. Two minutes left in the second. Wow, two minutes left in the second quarter and it's six to three between a team that's o and three and a team that's one and two. Goddamn, What a hard Monday night football What is what does it come to? You kind of look like Taggard Yeah do a little bit like tag likeike a young taggart. I don't know if this is a complic It is Oh, it is.ily' compop one taggart. Yeah. I'm telling you, we get you a tan suit. we'll. And wouldn you dress them up like a little police detective? Actually, if we ever need to pretend like someone's a police detective, it's gonna be you. Yeah Yeah Judge Reinhold. Yeah, hey Eddie Murphy. That right. Well, the big thing that came out of all of this, as far as Henry Lee Lucas goes is that really like that the nail in the coffin for Henry Lee Lucas being the most prolific serial killer of all time was the advent of DNA testing. Oh sure. you mean proof? Yes Yeah proof and evidence? Yeah, sure. Because there was not a single bit of forensic evidence to tie him to any murder Another thing going back to Dave McGown for a bit and the program to kill peoplee, the only person whose death sentence he commuted while he was governor was Henry Lee Lucas. Oh, and Osama bin Len Okay we just ped him and paid him and gave him stuff and tau him how to be really good at what he did. Yeah. That's all we did. That's all we did. That's all we did. That's it. I let him do it and provided incredible aviation schools in Florida for his team. honestly, it's huge The reason why George W. Bush communuted his sentence, he actually held a press conference was because the evidence against Henry Lee Lucas for the crime that he was convicted for, the orange sockx killing, the one that that was the one that he was sent to death row for. The evidence was not there All they had was his confession. and that was it. And it was actually provable that he was in Florida time of the Orange Sowx killing. There was like a I think that with that one, I think it was it might have been a paycheck or something like that. Yeahes that was the one with the paycheck that that pretty much show that he could not have physically been where the murder happened. Yeah. he so so he did sort of But that did it, I guess right you know, of all the people. But you know, Henry Lucas again He's just sitting there just you know Bush is running for president at the time. He wants to look like a good guy. He was just about someone tipped them off of all the people to look like many people. Yeah. Carla Fe you could have pardon Carla Faay talk. We talked about this, but the black pilled folk, the Dave McGowan folk program to kill folks say that the reason why George W. Bush committed his sentence was because Henry Lee Lucas was the government. Yeah, youCIA. But guess what? if they wanted to help want Lee Lucas, you know what they would have done? They would have shot him in the back of the head thirty years ago. That's what they would. They would have shot him in the back of the head because guess what? If there's one thing that that man says I love a strawberry milkshake, but it doesn't make you a good assassin. Yeah. I feel like there's something about him being probably one of the most flippable people to ever. He's like Trump where you go at you every movement every He believe is the last thing anybody says to him. Yeah. Odas Stool, he thought Ota Stool was sexiest man in the world. That's who you want to work for you He looked at Atd's Tool and he was like, yes, please, I want two slices of it come in my mouth. Is Otd's toool still alive? No. He died ninety. You died in ninety six.. He died of forty nine is cirrhosis and he died Man, it is funny. He just is such a Fancy Southern mentally handicapped woman. I've never seen It looks like if what's her name From fucking gone with the wind, like the big hat and stuff. she was she was special needs like that that's how he sits like he's like a big fucking like lacy what's it umbrella with it call paras Paras Yes, I do declare. I will kiss the snake Yes I knew I was gay when I was an embryo. I sit on my mama's pussy and I say you. And't really lookcus. Eventually they started testing All of these DNA samples that they found, you know, all these DNA samples that have been around for you know, thirty years and they started testing them against prisoner databases in Texas and various other states. And they just started getting hits, just hit after hit after hit. You know, and really famous cases too, like big ones that people made a really big deal about when Henry Lee Lucas' sentence was commuted There was a group they called themselves Volt, like victims of Lucas tragedies. And they were like very much like they were pissed off at George W. Bush for commuting his sentence. L this guy needs to fucking die. He killed my sister, he killed my mother, so on and so forth. Yeah we've already propped up this whole thing that he's quote unquote, murdered hundreds and hundreds of people. Now you're saying sorry. Yeah. There were literally people like family members who had appointments to watch him die. Yeah. Of course. Yes, very much so I it's so hard. they never rebook So hard COVID push so many executions, they's still they're still making them up. It's so hard. thirirty percent recidivism are going a lot to bring these back outdoors. These u people like these these poor people like they had to be told like, hey, so yeah, it wasn't Henry L Lucas, it was actually this other guy. But we caught this other guy Sometimes they would catch them, not every time, but but they would have to say like, no, it wasn't Henry Lucas. And then when one woman, like her sister when it was said like, no, it wasn't Henry L Lucas, like the other people started looking into their own family members cases and they started seeing like this one woman saw it like it was kind of like with the necklace she started reading through Henry Lee Lucas' confession and she saw that he said that The woman, her mother had a watch bracelet on when he killed her And then she remembered No told the police that she was wearing the watch bracelet when she left that day, but they had actually found the watch bracelet in a jewelry box like a couple years later. So it shows it it's a part of the reason why We talk about a lot on last podcast that serial murder is extremely difficult to prosecute and put together case. Y because It shows the gap in how hard it is to figure out a quote unquote motivless crime because ninety five percent of homicides are done for direct specific ical reasons and they're done by people that know you. It is such a small percentage of people that get murdered by somebody that they don't know. And it's an even smaller percentage that it was done by a CIA trained assassin with four teeth. Like it's legitimately like it's extremely small. funny in that way, they were trying to, it actually speaks just much forward. It was because it wasn't one man killing three hundred people. It was three hundred people killing one person much worse. And it's much it's much more difficult to do. and also just shows how many times You know, we How many times does somebody kill somebody badly. and like, get it out of their system How many times that happened? How many times' like they don't become a serial killer? They like Edie Kemper talked about it when he first killed, he was so disturbed at first at how difficult it was that it challenged him. It challenged his urges. And so like you kind of wonder how many people are straight up just serial killers, wannabes and they walk around and they kill somebody and they mutilate their corpse and at the end of it, they're like This isn't either You know what I mean? theyiterally. I thought it was gonna be golfing. I thought it was gonna be Namalas, but it's not and it's not this either. Yeah. And then they just leave and they leave town. They're just some drifter, all the tricker killers, all the shit. Well, there was actually one of those guys. It was exactly what you're talking about. They found him through DNA They found, you know, it was semen in the panties and they tested his DNA and there was a hit on the I don't know why like you're trying so hard to not laugh right now. It was just something see him in the p. I also I mean, I know it's something came or something. I don't know. It? No. I don't know. I heard it. was I was I laughed in my head tell each other. And siffled. I' to my father Don't put the semen in the panty. That's what it is, I think. Yeah. When the seemen in the panty, you know you gotta do the billy acc. I know There's no other way seen is sur. there's no Yeah, ye. There's just no other way to say underwear. undernderwear. Okay. It's the word panties. It It shouldn't be. ad I can do it back documentary that just that's what they said over and over again, it was seemen in the panties, Semen in the panties. Semen in the panties. I can't wait for that. someomeone to clip that up and make it an EDM song So through that evidence, evidence They were able to find a guy who had gone to prison for something else and you know, in Texas, when you go to prison, you know, they do the swab and they put you in the database. and They brought him in saying like, hey, you need to do a meeting with your parole officer and turns out, hey, here's a couple of cops And so they start talking to him about it and the guy is like visibly starting to get like once he knows what he's there for, he's like visibly upset because what the Cime it bends that he these kids had run out of gas girl and boyfriend and they were walking down the road. This guy picks them up G drives him down the road. the kid tries running. He shoots the boy and then six times in the head. Six times in the head. And then he rapes and shoots the girl And this guy was more to like he was It was like weighing on him. It was the only time he done it. He's the only it was it was thirty years before. It was like nineteen seventy eight or some. It was thirty years before. And he was like he probably fantasized about it for so long and then it would quote unquote fell in his lap and then he did it and then he was like Oh no. I mean this isn't is at me. This is a very bad thing to do. this this feels really bad. Yeah. I don't like I don't like this. But that's not good. That's good. That's good. but you got st you got think about that ear four before you kill two children. Yeah. Yeah I'd say. Yeah you gott to go ahead though, I think about stuff. You just gott to go ahead and decide like, okay, I know like you're not gonna Let's not roll the dice Yeah on whether or not it's going to feel Buck Hunter. Like that'll get it out of your system maybe. I think that that's like one of those things that could help. I wonder how many people are alive because of Buck Hunter today. I mean, just ask me You know, the people that I haven't killed the T spot countter disturb me about that story or seemen in the panties. was the was the fact that her father Drove by the two of them walking on the highway. Yeah. and then he he didn't think anything of it because he didn't recognize it as his daughter, but later on he realized that he did drive byast that extremely sad atdie. Yeah. and a great way to end. Well I'll end on maybe a better know. Okay. actuallyually, I don't know if this is a better know, but it's they so far have found twenty cases that Henry Lee Lucas confessed to that have now been linked to other people through DNA. No that's so news. twenty out of two hundred. twenty out of yeah, between two and three hundred, I think is how many cases they actually closed. But in terms of closure rates, that's not too bad. That's crazy. twenty Yeah twenty percent. just percent But it's just yeah, but that's just murders, you know, like they just that's just hits that they fucking did. But the vast majority of the Henry Lee Lucas cases have not been reopened and never will be players you know that they never will be in twenty twenty two, the average The clearance rate for homicides in police departments across the country is fifty two point three Straight up half get solved. So twenty percent I mean, especially for something that from fucking forty years ago based off the lies of a Tothed That's the thing they're just running DNA. Yeah. That. It's not even there. They wasn't even investigating.'s a chimera DNA if we find that if we actually have only one set of DNA or not, we'll find that out soon probably at some point That's so exciting. Patreon dot com slash last podcast on the left. I don't know if that serves you here But then you go to TikTok at Instagram, got LP on the left. you see your shit. 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