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Guests alpha, beta, and gamma have passed a basic background check , confirming they can sit in chairs and respond audibly. Please remain seated until the questioning light turns green . First today we have from Lab Muffin Beauty Science. Welcome back to the show, Michelle Wong. Lovely to be here. I don't see this green light though, so I'm a bit worried. I'm reliably informed it will be added in post . And no be honest, I just made that up and I've just given the editor a hard job to do, sorry about that. Welcome back. There is a question I've not asked you before, which is why lab muffin , maybe I shouldn't have asked that question I ask myself this all the time. Because you're a cosmetic scientist, right? Well, kind of. I started off in medicinal chemistry actually . I was doing a PhD and I was like, I really want to started a blog on some sort of science . And it ended up, it was actually a toss up between cosmetic science and at the time I was also doing a lot of pole dancing. Like the classes and I was like one or the other and it ended up being cosmetic science and I was like , I wanted to start for ages and then eventually I was like, I'm never gonna start. I just need two words that will give me good SEO. Yep . There are worse ways to gain a name. What have you been working on lately? Oh, I've been actually doing a really interesting sunscreen study . I'm trying to convince the government to let sunscreen like influencers talk about sunscreens again, which actually isn't allowed in Australia. Huh ? It's a loaded topic here right now. We take sunscreen very seriously . Well, very best of luck with that, Michelle. And joining us and chiming in there on this all Australian part for me episode of Lateral , which of y'all wants to go first well, we' withll start Danny. Welcome back to the show from Escape This podcast from many other things from our very first episode. Danny Seller, welcome back. Hello, thank you so much. You triggered me hard with that rolled R because I cannot roll my R's. But then Michelle brought me right back into my comfort zone with pole dancing. I feel great now. Australia, we've got skin cancer and pole dancing. What have you been working on lately dancing? It's been a while since you've been on the show. Oh goodness. We've been having a bit of a return to normal this year. We're just plugging along with our shows and trying to make them consistent and good . So trying to get more murder mysteries out there. I've done a nice medieval inheritance themed series of escape rooms that's about to finish up. Brilliant. Well, let's talk to your partner in crime . Bill Sunderland, also from Escape this podcast and many other things in our first episode , welcome back to the show. Yeah, was I supposed to mail this in because I've got form Q three B here and I just I figured someone would come collect it and they never did. Technically part of the process, but also I appreciate you calling back to the intro that I was going to say most of our audience have already forgotten about. I'd forgotten about and was briefly confused when you held that up. And I remembered the number the form number two. It did. I've got it written down in front of me. I didn't remember that. This is why you create the escape rooms and the murder mysteries. And I sit here with the script. Yeah, that's it. The ability to memorize three numbers in a row is all you need in an escape room. That's a four digit code. What am I going to do? Well, good luck to all three of you on the show today. Your application for curiosity has been accepted and processing begins with Question one . This question was sent in by Lucas Waltower . While stationed in West Germany in nineteen fifty eight, Elvis Presley had his ivory white BMW five hundred seven repainted. What color did he choose and why ? And one more time, while stationed in West Germany in nineteen fifty eight , Elvis Presley had his ivory white BMW five hundred and seven repainted. What color did he choose and why? Elvis is not my strong suit, but I'm pretty sure he was known for a somewhat pink car, but I don't think that was a BMW. I think that was a Cadillac, wasn't it? Could be. If I'm trying to think of and we've hit the most that I know about cars now as well. If I'm trying to think of colors that are elvis associated, there's also I feel blue. Do you think blue Hawaii or what was his one of the movies? Blue Swade True obviously . And like Danube, I feel like that's blue or some sort of blue . But he's American. So did he take his cart with him to Germany? Like was he with the car or did you just send it off as you know pop stars ? He's Elvis, he's got car people to take that thing anywhere he can get if he says get my car to West Germany they'll get his car to West Germany. Was it Elvis who wanted to go to war at some stage, but then America, the leaders said, No, you're too valuable. We can't send you. Ah, the reverse BTS. And he's like, well, I need to go to Germany anyway to get my car painted. Yeah, it did say he was stationed in West Germany . Yes, he definitely joined the Army for a while so I remember that being quite a big story. Also, it's a BMW in West Germany . So while I don't have the history there . It may have been the car he bought locally. Yeah, that makes sense. Feeled in the right form? Started out white. Ivory white. Ivory White ? Yes. Very curious that detailed and that was either that was bad or some other color was real good . I mean, he's stationed in West Germany. It's a military thing. It's what fifty eight . So this is Yeah, fifty eight . So I remember two numbers this time . But is he not meant to have his own like if you're stationed there in a military capacity, you're probably not meant to be driving around in a white Did he paint a camouflage colored? Yeah, did he make a camera? He like's it,'s a Now m,ilit ary vehicle. I have to look let me keep driving it. Oh, I thought you were saying now the top brass can't see it. Wouldn't that be terrible? They keep turning up the Army base. They'd be like, Where is everybody? This is terrible. No one's at the base . Everybody take your shirt off. The generals are here . This wasn't about any sort of fashion or resale value or anything like that. It was more to stop a recurring problem. Is it people noticing that El vis is there? People like people whist like oh my god that's Elvis' car the iconic ivory white BMW. We all love Elvis. Let's rush the base We all love Elvis would be the birds poop a different color? Oh , that's a big now. That's a completely different direction. I love it. Interesting. Well here's the thing it is a completely different direction. It's nothing to do with birds , but that sort of temporary cosmetic damage, let's say? Oh yeah. Ivory white would get camouflaged by that unless the birds pooped a different color. These are not the birds and they are not pooping, but it is a different color. Yeah. I was debating. Elvis had pretty dark hair, right? Did he wear like hair stuff and he would bang his head on his car a lot? Well, I don't know, Tom tried to correct me on we love Elvis. So maybe it was instead we hate Elvis. Let's throw these to matoes at his car . Oh not a correction there, Bill. It really was people loving Elvis. They kiss his car a lot? They kiss the car red . Did you see that You threw that at me? No, I didn't. My pen just came apart in my hands . Sorry, Danny, you were right and in my enthusiasm I threw my pen at your well half of my pen at your face. Would you mind saying that again ? They loved Elvis so much and people just couldn't stop kissing his car. Yes , the female fans were kissing the car . So what color did he paint it? Big bright red or pink or whatever the prevailing lipstick color was. Yes, to camouflage the kisses from the fans . During his U. S. Army service in West Germany, fans quickly learned where Elvis was stationed, his recently purchased BM W originally came in ivory white, but admirers repeatedly covered it with lipstick, kissers and messages. So Elvis had its resprayed bright red, discouraging further decorations. Do you think it actually worked or do you think that they really wanted their lips there and they compensated and that's when goth started I was going to say if there was a goth fad in nineteen actually I imagine goths in sort of that area of Europe means something very different, but yeah good point. With half a pen in my hand Danny, it is over to you . Amazing. All right, this question has been sent in by Vic Cha o, thank you so much . A chef prepares a hearty stew called Chunkonabe for his athletes . However, especially during tournaments, many athletes will only eat the chicken version of this stew and avoid beef, pork, or fish. Why? And one more time , a chef prepares a hearty stew called chunkonave for his athletes. However, especially during tournaments, many athletes will only eat the chicken version of this stew and avoid beef, pork, or fish. Why? I've got some knowledge of this but not an answer. I suspected that might be the case. Then start us off, Bill 'cause I've got nothing . So I'm pretty sure that Tankonabe is what sumo wrestlers eat. It's like famous sumo food . I think that is true. I was going French. Oof, terrible at last I'm not a hundred percent sure of the title. It could be something different. Maybe people are like, No, you're thinking of some very, very similar word, but I think that's like a traditional sumo food. I have no idea why before a sumo tournament you want to eat oh well now I have a vague idea but I don't think you want to eat chicken instead of beef or pork. I just I like that Bill has just been steadily going. I think oh I think oh well I've got nothing here. Have you got anything ? I was about to refer to the wrestlers as sumo torti , which I think is the word for sumo wrestlers, which and Torti is also the word for chicken. So I didn't wondered if there was a connect fionine there, but I think maybe that's nothing. It is the word for bird, right? Toddi is bird. But I think it might be written it's obviously written differently, but I think it might be Taudy, I don't know. I don't know. Someone who knows more about swimming can tell me that I'm wrong. Danny, how close is he? You've definitely got the main thrust of it that the suma part is correct. I don't think the linguistic similarity of the word Tori is part of it though. No, I don't think so. I'm drawing a blank, but like I'm going, what is special about food in Asia? And it's like, well, we're very lactose intolerant . But I don't think that can be it. No it's basically chicken instead of any other meat instead of pork instead of beef, instead of fish, you eat the chicken version. So is there some association either culturally or religiously or actual sport scientifically with why chicken is best for people before they wrestle. Chickens are light on their feet and summer wrestlers have to be . Heavy heavy in their waist and light on their feet. If it was about what the animal is like , I feel like chicken is not the creature that you want to imitate if you are a sumo wrestler. filmed a thing years ago with a flock of chick ens in Australia actually . And there's just there's not much going on up in the head there . Like I try to have sympathy for animals and there just wasn't any light behind the eyes. They may have been the least intelligent appearing creatures I've ever seen or worked with. They just kind of bobbed around. So I don't feel like chickens would be attacking each other and trying to like you surely want like cats. I think that's a pretty famous crime a series of crime rings that do that. Oh there are cockpit. I'm not that wasn't leading, just a point. Oh, you make an excellent point. I was gonna say chickens don't like chickens just run around and avoid each other. But yes, quite famously, Danny, you're right. That's not what happens. I also don't think a cockfighting question is quite right for lateral, but well we'll see. I wouldn't necessarily go that direction, but some of the sort of general vibes that you've been floating have actually been very good and very close to a good eloquent way of putting what we're going for here. Is there anything about like how cooked the meat is? Because what was it? Beef, fish and pork. Beef fish pork compared to chicken. Ah, pork you would pork you would fully cook. Never mind. It is definitely less about the science than the sorts of general animally vibes that you were going for before. Yeah, is it basically saying if you're a swimmer wrestler you want to, be like a chicken. So eat chickens so you can be like a chicken because chickens when you move around, their head stays still because they have really good balance they're still like a balancing gimbal animals . Yeah, yeah. If you put an iPhone on the head of a chicken and you held its body, you get a perfectly smooth shot. Look, I would say you're in a good place and you're in the right direction. I would say more like you don't even need to go that specific. Just compare it to some of those other animals. Like two legs? Two legs is kinda it. You gotta be pretty two legged. Think about the positions of the like the other animals. No, you have to stay on two legs. You have to stay on two legs and squat down and that is a chicken like position. Yeah, you absolutely can't like you certainly can't be like a four legged animal and you definitely can't be like a fish. Put your arms down in Sumo. You can't put anything no sumo you can',t put anything other than the sole of your foot on the ground, even the top of your foot, even if you drag your toes on the ground , you'll lose because it's only soles of your feet. So you have to be very staying upright, hopping on one leg where you try and throw the person off the side in whatever summer wrestlers call and thus so does the chicken. Yeah . Yeah, so it is essentially emulating the animal that is good and stable on its two le gs and nothing that needs any other part of its body to be touching the ground. That's fun. So yeah, Billy you're absolutely right at the beginning that the Chunkana. It's kind of one of the big staples eaten by suma wrestlers. It really keeps up their weight as well as a big thing . They'll summer wrestlers. You can probably tell a little bit they have to be really diligent about their diet to maintain this sort of weight. So some fun facts, they'll eat this twice a day. They will then sleep immediate ly so that everything they've just eaten will do its best to turn straight into body fat and they'll also have about six pints of beer with these meals . That seems counterintuitive to the whole staying on your feet thing. Where is Daredevil ? A minor . Don't miss the return of Marvel Television's Daredevil Born again. So what's next ? I believe liber . We're gonna take this city back over medication . In an all new season now streaming only on Disney plus. They're hunting us. It's time we started hunting them. I can work with that. This should be tons of fun. Marvel Television's Daredevil Born again, now streaming only on Disney plus . This question was sent in by Omak a. Thank you very much. In twenty sixteen, New Zealander Chloe Phillips Harris arrived in Kazakhstan with the correct paperwork. Yet border officials detained her insisting her documents were wrong. When they brought her a diagram to prove the point , Chloe realized she was in serious trouble. Why? We'll give you that one more time. In twenty sixteen, New Zealander Chloe Phillips Harris arrived in Kazakhstan with the correct paperwork. Yet border officials detained her, insisting her documents were wrong. When they brought her a diagram to prove the point, Chloe realized she was in serious trouble . Why? I get to sit one out. You get to sit out I appreciate you doing your own cheerleading. That was wonderful. Doesn't happen often. It doesn't happen often . All right, Michelle, Bill, this one's on YouTube. So going from New Zealand ? Over to Kazakhstan. You've got the correct documents , but a chart shows you deal with it. Sorry, go. And they drew this chart. Or they at least brought it out. Maybe they had it on hand. Yeah. Do you know what's on the New Zealand passport? I feel like, I don't know, New Zealand's such a small country, my brain's going to like there's something weird about New Zealanders, which I'm sure there's lots of Zealanders, but sorry, we have to diss them. They're like our younger brothers. No one else is allowed to diss them. Their former prime minister is coming to live here Oh wow, okay . I mean is it a New Zealand thing? Or do you think it's a Kazakhstan thing? Like what was going on? When did Kazakhstan had a thing recently of changing their capital and then changing it back again? They went from , is it was it To Nor Sultan and then they're like, Yep, we're doing it. We're going back either location or did they change just the the name of city? I can't remember. So maybe maybe she was like, you could go anywhere in the capital, which is Astana. And then they went, Oh, here's our chart that says it's now New Sultan. Sorry, you're not allowed to do anything here. You have to go home until we change it back in a few years. I don't think so, but this is one of my few Kazakhstan facts. And apparently, as you can see, as you hear from I'm saying it, not much of a fact . A half remembered fact. I would say you're not going to require much Kazakhstan knowledge for this. No, no if I had one piece . Okay , is it is it the fact that on a lot of world maps . They don't even put New Zealand . It's a famous thing New Zealanders complain about where they leave New Zealand off the map . It is extremely relevant Bill. Yeah. So do they have like a chart of all the countries that are allowed to come to Kazakhstan and they're like, New Zealand isn't a country. Oh, it's just like colored green for everything except Yeah, we've colored every country based on what they're allowed to do. You're not colored because you're not on the map, sorry. I think I have to give you that bill. It wasn't it wasn't so much coloured in on the map. Point to your country ? Pretty much yes, the guards did not know that New Zealand was a country. Sure . Chloe insists that yes it is and here's my visa . The guards go and get the map that they have and New Zealand, as you've said often happens, is not on the map. Yeah, that sucks. Yeah, what are you gonna do at that point? Draw it in with a pen . Here I am . It was a similar sort of thing that some Americans seem to go through when they're told they're from New Mexico and so they'll show their detail, their credentials to someone and they'll say, Ah, you're from Mexico. I'm going to need to see a bit more information to show that you're allowed to work in this country. Michelle, earlier you said that New Zealand was kind of like Australia's little brother. You were actually very close there with what the guards thought was going on What might they have thought about New Zealand? It's a state of Australia. Yes, they thought it was possible. They hate that . Yes, they do. And yet, apparently technically somewhere, that's true that we can just accept them as a state if ever they agree to it? We've pre accepted that New Zealand's allowed to be like, okay, we'll be a state and then they're allowed in. Wow, really? Yeah. Which is weird. I'm currently reading the Australian Constitution and I haven't reached that part yet. That'll be where it gets really juicy. How long is your constitution? They're not that long. Every section of it, like there are one hundred and something sections, but each section's a tiny paragraph of one to two sentences, so it's nothing crazy. It just sounds really academic when you say that's what you're reading . Bill, we will head over to you, please. This question was sent in by Thomas. Thank you, Thomas . At the nineteen eighty seven F one German Grand Prix , Ferrari driver Michael Alberto wore a seemingly normal helmet . When he opened his visor before the race , other teams complained and the helmet was banned. Why? And I'll give it to a second time. At the nineteen eighty seven Formula One German Grand Prix, Ferrari driver Michael Alberto wore a seemingly normal helmet . When he opened his visor before the race, other teams complained and the helmet was banned . Why? Had kisses all over it . No, he'd painted it to get rid of all the kisses. No, it's not true. Oh man, already said, car stuff, not my fault. It's all you ton. Oh, no, this is worrying. I mean, my suggestion was that it was just an imposter inside. He had one of those tinted on the helmet and he actually couldn't be bothered to do the grandprix that day. So they got the substitute in. Substitute flips up the helmet and they're like, you are not name I didn't write down and therefore I can't remember it. McKayleigh McKaylee. It's like Michelle, but presumably in a masculine form and pronounce Mikale. I'm trying to think what you can add to a helmet because my husband has a motorbike and he's obsessed with adding stuff to his helmet. This sounds juicy. This sounds relevant. Stickers. He 's trying to make me enjoy riding on the back of his bike. So he's added stuff to mine as well. It's got like a did it have a microphone? Like, did it have like a little speaker so he could like listen to a vice producer someone? Well, that's the point. These days in F one, that's the thing that happens. All the teams are radioed up, they do the broadcast, but this was nineteen eighty seven. Maybe they flip shop and they're like, you've got a microphone under there and none of us have. So it's not like tennis where they say no coaching from the side, but it might have been back then. That's not true. That's not correct. I would say in general, like the helmet generally was within safety regulations. It was within normal helmet specifications . It does feel like rules loopholeiness. There's a lot of that in F one. Rule loo'ps iso a veryle good thing to think about. Rule's loophole is actually RuPaul's full name. Sorry, I regret that joke . Thank you . Oh, it would be easy if this was a RuPaul question What's you mean? What do we think? I don't know. The helmets have to be there to save you if you're in a crash and not let horrible racing G forces hurt you too bad. Physic. And this helmet would do both those things. The helmet was the thing band, right? Not the visor. That means both together. The visor was a big part of the problem. Was it not actually a visor? Was it like they potty gu grids ? They could put like put a racing line on it because it's going to change. Like again, too early to have some kind of magic heads up display in there , but maybe like there were markers in there to help him guide on difficult turns ? You're in the right place with markings on the visor. In fact, the issue was a single red stripe along the top of the visor . And they were worried about it in terms of fairness issues, but not about race performance. That's interesting. He's mentioned a line across the top, and I was going like to block out extra sun or something like that, but that would all be performance based surely. What it's blocking out is also very relevant , but not for performance. Is it blocking out the crowd? No. No. What could it be blocking out that isn't going about affecting his performance? It's just a sweat dripping down his face. I will say Tom has made a fatal mistake at the start of Question. And he'll and he'll never solve it because of that. Wow , I have no memory of what I said, so good luck to the other two . What have I assumed? So what you'd have assumed is what you'd forgotten, Tom. That the name was Mikalee the name was M aikle Albareto that is M and then Albaretto ALB O R E T O Oh yeah, you're right, Bill. That was that was a fatal mistake to forget the name Malbareto. Ooh, now Tom's got it and he's made a wonderful success and Danny will never get it. Well, it is. And I wonder this might be because I'm in my forties and I remember the days when you had cigarette advertising. Follow Follow that, what? Does Malbareto sound like a little Marlborough? It does, and their brand cover was red. Okay . Did he just have Malbareto? Like you can have your name on your helmet? Did he have his name in the Marlborough Font and Colour to to get around the advertising rules. It looked like he was advertising the cigarette. He did. He did have it in the exact same font, but Tom, his name is Mal Baretto, not Mal Barret and you never addressed that red line on his visor either . Was it covering up the last couple of erroneous letters? It covered up the ET to make it say Marlborough straight up in the original text on the side of his helmet when he lifted his visor . Yes, so yeah, nineteen eighty seven, Marborough had been sponsoring the Ferrari F one team, but Germany had banned cigarette ads. So because it was in Germany, they couldn't advertise cigarettes since nineteen seventy five . Ferrari decided to get creative with it and set up Michael Alberto to lift his visor and have it say Marlborough right across the side of the helmet. Was that even his real name? My name is M. Al Pereto . Oh, and my name's Grammel Cigarettes . Thank you to Karen Zhang for this question. Lee is reading a book and comes across something he doesn't know. After carefully writing it down, he finds out its meaning in a dictionary. Which two pieces of information did Lee Need? I'll say that again. Lee is reading a book and comes across something he doesn't know. After carefully writing it down, he finds out its meaning in a dictionary . Which two pieces of information did Lee Need? I feel like there are some straight forward ways to go here . How to spell it ? Where the dictionary was? That could help. Bill, you and I were doing this just last night because we have some Japanese cop ies of a couple of books and you know Japanese better than I do. So I was looking at the Japanese book and trying to work my way through it. You were helping me out. But occasionally you needed to look up some of the kanji yourself. So you know how to look up things? Occasionally is very, very generous constantly, I think. I just went straight for some reason, reading a book in your own language totally not the first thing that came to my mind. I went straight to , Oh, must be something in another language. I went the same way. I thought that he needed to know like what language it was first of all, and then it was the writing it down carefully . He needed to know what it meant in Italian and, then what that meant in English . I wonder if it's I don't know if maybe is it something that doesn't have an alphabet, so it's not as easy to look up in a dictionary. I mean, yeah, it could well be. Yeah, keep going. Excellent. Again, Bill, you have a Japanese dictionary on your phone. What do you do when you need to look something up? Yeah, because they use Chinese characters. Be the same for looking it up in Chinese, I'm assuming which is you sort of break them down , break symbols into their radicals, and then those are organized by how many strokes it takes to write them. So everything's listed numerically rather than alphabetically. So it's like the first stroke. I think it's like yeah first stroke and how many strokes in the radical and then how many strokes in the other one? Yeah . So yeah beautiful so he needed to know how many strokes it took to ride it. It is odd to read a lateral question and then find out that not only did Lee in the question do this, but two of our guests were doing this yesterday will he is reading Chinese I will to avoid letters coming in I will, say that while Chinese, Japanese, and Korean glyphs are similar, they are not identical and that is oh that is a really contentious issue in the Unicode Consortium and we'll just we will flag that and we will move on . But yes, the two items are the number of pen strokes required and the order of those strokes. Amazing. And in order to figure that out, you have to write down the character. Oh, yep, that makes sense. That checks out. That's a good way to do it to know it. Fun random trivia. So my Chinese name , the last like Chinese names are three, three characters . The last character, because my parents went to a numer ologist. This is like a whole thing. They go to a numerologist because of the number of strokes and stuff. Like you want a suspicious number of strokes in your child's name . It didn't they couldn't find a name with the right number of strokes. So they just added a dot last one read the same. Just added a dot . So I guess it's like the Chinese version of like those made up names that people keep mocking . Every time I went to Chinese school, like I'd see the role, the classroom and everyone's got like normal computer printer names and then you'd say the teacher had like added a dot there to the photocopy and so I just had this blob in my name. That's nice. Embarrassing . Michelle, over to you , please. This question has been sent in by James Dominguez . Established in eighteen fifty one, Melbourne's notorious Pentridge Prison stands beside a scenic park that's long been a popular picnic spot with locals . Why is this prison next to a park? Let's go through that again . Established in eighteen fifty one, Melbourne's notorious Pentridge Prison stands beside a scenic park that's long been a popular picn ic spot with locals . Why is this prison next to a park ? All right, we get to get out all our horrible Melbourne stereotypes that we have now. I have interesting Melbourne prison trivia. , I have an interesting eighteen hundreds Melbourne prison trivia. This sounds like it might be relevant It's completely irrelevant. Oh but for a while because of prison population and set up infr anastructure in Melbourne. I think early in like early white settlement in the area , they had prisons they just had two big floating prison ships that they sat in the harbor in the bay of Melb ourne Bay and they would just fill them full of prisoners and it was hellish and terrible , but they just had these giant ships and they barred off everything they turned every room into a brig and they filled them and they chopped them full of prisoners because they didn't have the infrastructure to do every all the prisoners on land. You're right, that is interesting but seemingly irrelevant. Interesting and completely irrelevant. It sounds a bit like what they did with COVID with the people on cruise ships . And the good news is if they need to throw an officer in the brig, he was already there. So that's , exactly. So why is it next to a park ? Did people love to watch the hangings . Yeah, how grim can we at home is this? If the prisoners escaped, we wanted a long clear space for them to be running through with nothing in the way. Where are we going here? There are other prisons next to parks. I mean, wormwood scrubs in London is a famous prison and there is worm sorry to it. No, it isn't promised the actual name. It's a Dickens villain. That's a Dickensian villain's wormwood scrub s. And now I'm wormwood scrubs. No, I haven't seen any boys around here. No, don't look in my basement for the boys that you're looking for. Is this why the family and Matilda are the wormwoods? It's me wormwood scrub. That' m sorry, Tom. I'm now doubting that I've got the name of this right by the way, despite the fact that it's famous in British pop culture. It's definitely a prison and there's definitely a park next to it. The British loved parks and prisons. It's so you could build more prisons and you had the clear space where you're like, well, we're definitely gonna have more prison. We'll just keep building down the parkway. I feel like what you were saying before about like locations for prisons is kind of dancing around the answer. People not want to live near a prison? So, well no one's going to live here may as well put a park make it a park, make it a park, come put a house to make a park. Definitely seems believable . Or the land was contaminated for some reason . You can't build on it because think about not all parks are going to have people having picnics on them and not all prisons. So there's got to be something nice about the place which might be linked to prisons . It's the only place in Melbourne that has sun Similar Sun you've put it in the park. So is the idea this isn't a nice public park for people to hang out and there's some other Oh it is. Oh it is it seems like there's something in particular that would draw people to this park that would not necessarily draw them to other places apart from prisons yes Is it a psychological thing, right where you put a park and a prison in the same with the same purpose, which is look at the beautiful view. And if you're a park goer, you go, What a wonderful view. I'm so free. I'll enjoy it tomorrow. And if you're a prisoner, you go, Oh, what a wonderful view. I'm so trapped I can never get out to that beautiful place . Oh , the psychological dial repent you'll change my ways. I'll never do it again. Just let me go out into that beautiful view. Is that the idea? Kind of. It's like the reason the view is nice is because it's a prison or it's next to a prison . So there's a link there and I guess maybe think about in the eighteen hundreds , how might you make a prison really secure? Big bricks and lots of dogs. Is this like Alcatraz? Very close. What? What amount? What ? It's a bay. It's next to the prison ships . It's out on a big island and it's a lovely spot for picnicking. You can see all of Melbourne from it, but also it's quite difficult to swim from it. It's very close , really close . I think this is quite inland if that helps. It needs to be something that is difficult to break out of , but easy to go to for picnicking . So I'm thinking a high cliff on a tower on a viewpoint. It is it is so close . What Bill said about bricks , it's very directly linked to the bricks. Interesting. You stick it in a quarry . Yes. Well, there is a quarry Milk quarry. What knows? What is good about big rocks? What did you do with a quarry? How might you make a quarry into a nice picnic spot? You flood it . You have an old quarry lake. They're all over the place . So you quarry the rocks out to build the prison so you don't have to take the rocks very far. And then you're like, well, we've got this big rock quarry. Let's fill it with water, make it lovely. Now it's a beautiful park, it's a beautiful lake. People want to hang out because we think the only reason that there's a park and a lake there and a beautiful picnicking spot is because that lake was excavated to make the prison the prison. Exactly. Yeah, so the basalt rock that was there, they used it to make the prison. And then obviously they had a hole, they filled it full of water and it became Coburg Lake . So that's the centerpiece of the park. Everyone goes there for picnics, even though it's right next to Hamax and the Security Prison, although the prison closed in nineteen ninety seven. So I guess it's maybe a bit nicer now more mentally anyway. Have they turned it into a tourist attraction yet? Yeah, now it all goes to us . Which means we just have that audience question from the start of the show. Thank you to Melvin from New Zealand for this one. Why is it often a good idea for coin collectors to buy stamp collections? Anyone want to take a guess at that before I give the audience the answer. Got to diversify your portfolio. Is it like one is cheaper so it's like training sort of like those stock market games that you play a fake stock market game and then you go into the big guns? Then you're not a coin collector anymore. Then you're a multif aceted junk collector . You've got two interesting personality now. It does feel like there is somehow some sort of numismatist laundering going on . And I don't know what that would be, but I don't understand regular money laundering at the best of times. Not that, but it's closer because this wouldn't work in every country. It wouldn't work in the UK anymore. We've changed our stamps, but there are countries where this would work. I got a stamp. It's a rectangle. It's got a picture, it's got a cost in dollars and cents in the corner. Every time I've noticed not in every country . Really? What do they have in other places? They have a distance that it can go. Well, British stamps until a couple years ago just had first or second class a lot of times. They didn't some of them had prices on them for bigger things . And these days they all have like little barcodes attached so they can be tracked. But up until a few years ago it was just first or second . God, I love it when I feel too young for a question . I yeah, is there some way of like separating them out into your collection's various importance based on not really keeping them . They're not keeping the stamps, did you send them? You just use them to send your coins places? Yes, you just use them to send your coins bill. That's absolutely right. All right, I go . Do you want to talk through why that might be ? That's what stamps do, Tom. Stamps let you stamp places. There's nothing to talk about. That's a stamp. Coin collectors will often find themselves in flea markets or estate sales where there is already a stamp collection being sold off cheap . And the value of that stamp collection may be lower than the value of all the individual stamps inside it. Oh, that's so sad. I'm so sorry , stamp collector . Your hobbies just subtracting value. In many countries, those old stamps still can be used, particularly if, like in Britain, up until recently, they just said first it doesn't matter if you bought them for four pence fifty years ago , some postal services will still honor that stamp. That's cool. Thank you very much to our players. Thank you for running the gauntlet. Where can people find you? What's going on in your lives? We will start with Bill Yeah, check out Escape this podcast if you want to see fun guests maybe even Tom Scott playing through and David Bodycom, the producer who you can't see. The invisible man playing through audio escape rooms. Check it out at Escape This Podcast. It's a good show. Danny Sullah You can also find our murder mysteries at solvethysmurder . com probably . 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