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Your only daily Cluban Guardians podcast that covers your team every day, the guardians, from the majors, the miners, the draft, and everything in between . And we'll get into all that on today's show. We'll talk about draft candidates for the nineteenth pick for the Guardians, some more MLB combined standouts to talk about, what moves, if any, could happen before this upcoming homestand or what should happen. And we're starting off today's show talking about the how the Guardians narrowly , narrowly avoided a sweep in Chicago. That is Jeff Ellis, your host of the show of Lockdown Guardians the last eight years. I'm Justin Lana. I've been here with Jeff for the last four years and we've both been covering the team for nineteen years when it com es to the miners and the draft. Before we get started, let you know today's episode's brought you by Fandil. The biggest stage in the world soccer is here. Let there be goals on Fandil. Visit Fandil. com to get started right now Now., so full disclosure , just because I'm still on a family vacation and I was out of dinner because of the rain delay pushing things back. I didn't see the first like I don't know six innings, seven innings maybe so I didn't see any of the guardians scoring at all. And I didn't pick things up until I think Tim Harron came into the game was when I started to finally be able to watch on my phone and that was just a time to tune in for when things got really hairy hairy for Harrin. And actually he was the best reliever one of the best believers the Auardians had in this game. Now they didn't lose anybody at injury in this game . You know, I was saying the loss is painful, but man, this was like winning should be fun and you know, you know, take wins however you can get them, but like does it feel like this win wasn't actually fun because of how they had to do it? Like this was they should have I mean, they should have won on Tuesday. They won on Wednesday . Monday's escaping me already a little bit, but that one just kind of got away from them . They they had more base runners every single game in the series. They got more guys in do they have in Houston too? No, no, Houston, Houston tattooed them on but on two of the three games they had more base runners, but the game that hit the one game that they got tattooed, they did not. But in this whole series against the White Hocks, like they got more guys on base rather consistently. I think this was actually the closest one of all of those contents in terms of base runners . And they still weren't great. There was still a lot of like team with throwers and swimmers. You know, and it's a thing too. It's like yeah, it's great. Hoskins got the hit in the township but it's like today . Yeah, you got the hit in the tents but, it's like before that he keeps twice this week, he swung up all four in the zone. So it's like if he just walks, bases are loaded then Cal Watson's hit becomes a sack fly, which hey, you know, it doesn't kill you as much because Bailey then walks in the run and you wouldn't have had that happen in that situation. But still, it's like you would have one more out then and then but the biggest problem is the lack of contact with guys on third base. It's we saw multiple times on Monday on the yeah Monday game. We saw multiple times today. I mean, they got the win but boy was that it made you pull your hair out now in full disclosure I did not see all of this game either because I closed it out because I wanted to see the location of the pitch to Colson Montgomery, right? Was that the home? No, Braden sweeper No. Oh , the Montgomery one, which is the fastball down the middle. I gotta say this. So Montgomery, he knocked in two runs. If you go back, I think it was against Sabrowski maybe. I can't remember, but when he knocked in that first one, all three pitches it was a one to count. All three pitches have been outside the zone. He was expanding the zone. So they throw him pitch in the zone. So he hits a sack fly at least you get the output's like you could have struck him out if you just kept throwing it high and tight and out of the zone . And then Kade throws him. He's, you know, he's still a guy who expands. We talked about this earlier in the week as well and Kate throws him a ninety six mile hour baseball down the middle . So I went to check and I'm like that looked down the middle of me. Let's see what pitch that was. And by the time I went back to the game one yeah the he got beat by Good Chick on his third best pitch. I don't know if again he couldn't land his pitches as well as wanted and that's why he's going to sweeper but sweeper Yeah. Well, I mean he, won't he, doesn't really throw the sweepers to right or the slider to right handers because it's really a left handed neutralizer . He just hung he just hung. I think if he had gotten that sweeper to the opportunity of the zone, yeah, it hung it. He hung and he's hung like the last because that was the other thing when he gave up the big hit late in Monday's game. I believe the one that was the game losing was on the sweeper. So it's like he's he has not been commanding that sweeper well in this series. I mean he could command anywhere well in this series , but neither did just at work. But apparently Steve I, you know, this is a classic they won they won and that's great but man the results like I don't know how you leave Sean Armstr ong in as long as they did. Like go give a Spino a try. Like I know that was petrifying and he couldn't find the zone to save his life. Luckily the White Sox bailed him out. I know So I was going to I was going to say they only use Count the Holderman to get one out, but I know Carl Willis talked about how they needed to get guys some work like Hunter Gaddis needed to pitch because he hadn't pitched and they would off day , which they sort of need just to and they just had break bad luck a little bit that was a little bad luck. Yeah, both the hits on Gaddys were not like Yeah solid contact there. It's I mean I mean Kate Ball came cause the other ones Yeah, the one ball back to Gaddys I wish he had made the play on like it was or just not deflected it. Yeah, it was a it was a goofy little blipper blooper. So I get it, but like I wish you would have fielded it. Yeah. Gaddys was fine . Yeah and, Count Holman was great and you know, ironically Tim Harrin was fine despite the wild pitch. The Sabrowski thing was just unnerving. Like he finished out cases in the sinning in the ninth, right? And then he comes out for the tenth. Armstrong. Armstrong. You mean not Sabrowski. Sabraski was yeah. So Armstrong finishes Catesmiths, you know, inning in the ninth and then he comes out for the tenth and just bundnt walk walk in like a three one count I think. The tenth inning on the road is legitimately the one of the is the hardest like the ninth inning, the last three outs are always stuff as a closer, but like the tenth inning on the road of a tie game is the worst spot to be in. Like you need someone who can get a strikeout because you have to strike a guy out before they could advance the runner to third with less than two out, especially if you the Guardians luckily had a run on the board. Thanks to Cleo Watson, who'll talk about more, but yeah sticking with Armstrong like that was a situation where you needed a strikeout. I know, you know, why Spina's last outing in Houston was rough, but so was the and so was it and that was that wasn't that wasn't a situation where you needed a strike out. I think Espino is more capable of it than Armstrong. But I also understand like not going to Espino in that spot because he hasn't been in that spot before and he's a rookie. You don't want to throw too much at him. So I'm sympathetic to that, but you also need to strike out. I don't know who else Nipolin was getting. Like I heard Manifesta was warming up at that point. I was like, dear God, please not manifest anybody that Manifesta. Like I'm ready for I'm ready for Matfest, replaced by Frank Olamon. I know they need the depth in A well and they just need the guy who can go long which is fest ive. They just don't have anybody else who can give you that kind of that kind of situation. But yeah, the bullpen made it rough because Tanner Bobby wase great. He I don't know why they didn't eleven . He had ret ired he had retired ten in a row. He was at eighty odd pitches, eighty nine pitches. Why is he not? I know they're it was Teal and Montgomery, but he had owned those two guys so far this game like same as it was with Al two and Houston the other day. Like I said, they shouldn't Well at that point they had left him in and he had given up two hits. This time they didn't even leave him in to see if he could pitch like with Al Tube , he had he had walked around, basically intentionally unintentionally walked all over us, gave up a hit and they yanked it. This is different because this was started he was under ninety pitches. He had retired ten in a row and then even sent him out. Like I don't understand that one. Like I've got a theory. I've got a theory on that, Jeff. I got a theory on that that I've talked to somebody else about. I mean, I have a theory as well, so we'll see if the theories match. And then I also I also have to explain why everything that happened in the ninth inning was my fault. So I gotta own up and be responsible. So we can't blame Jeff. Every blame on Jeff. Blame everything on Jared. It wasn't Casey Smith's fault. It was one hundred percent mine, and I can explain why. All right, we'll discuss that. We'll talk about our theories on the Guardian's pitching moves. We got to talk about Clea Watson. We got some minor league stuff to get to, particularly what might happen on this homestand with some reinforcements. We got MLB combin steduff . I And really wanted Jeff get into the conversation about who the Guardian's options are at nineteen because we're only a few weeks away from the draft and I think the possibility the possibilities are endless. Jeff is losing his hair because of that as well. So stick around and lose your hair with us . 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Okay, so my theory they let you know, they let Parker Messi go out for the eighth inning on Tuesday, which I was actually a little surprised by . You know, Gavin didn't make a very deep Wednesday, Tanner was pulled, I think at ninety pitches his last start. Like he had I think he had at least one batter left in the tank, but that's, you know, situationally, I understand what you're saying. The point is though the pitch count . You know, somebody else pitched this to me too and said I wonder if they are being a little more cautious with how hard they push the starters right now because Because they don't want the starters to be burned out when the hitters come back. Like conserving the pitchers like you're asking a lot of your pitching in general, bullpen or starters because there's just not a lot of offense to protect right now it,s stink. So trying you to're be perfect. So I think there's a higher amount of stress on all the pitchers , especially the starters and they just had a three city nine game road trip. So I kind of wonder if they were being a little conservative with the pitch count, not pushing them the middle, you know, the end of June here because they're hoping these starters will still have plenty not just left in the tank for September but also just upcoming structures after the All Star break because when you do get Chase the Lauder or Josemers on Haul Martinez back, you don't want the rotation, which always had five guys. So nobody's had a break. Everyone's been in the rotation, you know, knock on wood so far . You don't want them burned out before the All Star break because they're pitching under a lot of duress without a lot of offense to support them . So I wonder if maybe there's an element of trying to be careful about how hard you push them at the moment in order for the rotation not to collapse once maybe you do get some better offense coming back . Jeff is speechless my theory, so it must be really good. Well that's because you muted me earlier. I didn't mute. I didn't mute you. I was too busy worrying about big bones . No, no, you because I didn't have time to do it. So you muted after I finished my ad read in between. There was a So what I that was not my theory. I'll say that my theory is a little bit simpler, which is just there had a three run lead , they needed they had two lefties coming up and after Sabrowski's terrible Saturday hadn't pitched since. And if this team's going to get back to having any type of reliable pen, they need to get guys reps. So I thought they went to Sabrowski in a position where he could be most effective against two guys who had struggled all was it Montgomery first? I was trying to remember who the Lafties are because Montgomery's a switch hitter so it was it was Teal Montgomery and M eteroth, but I think Montgomery Colson Montgomery is a left yes. So it's Teal and Colson Montgomery who had struggled to that point. You had two lefties, the only two lefties in a row with Ben and Tendi already having hit. You didn't think they would go to gear chuck in this situation. They weren't going to pull out their catcher, their short stop or their second baseman. So it felt like a pretty good situation . So I thought it was more just about like he's got a pitch. He hasn't pitched in Saturday and they're trying to set him up to be successful after what was. I mean, everyone, our comments were all about, oh, I can't believe they went to Festa in a high leverage situation. Well, it didn't matter because they then went to Espino and they then went to Sabrowski and they were just gas cans as well . So , you know, they they need to get those two back. So I thought it was maybe more about trying to get reps in a relatively low impact. Now Sabraski wasn't great. He gave up hits to both those guys and unlike the Gattas of it all where both of the hits Gaddys gave up were bad luck ones. It was the Jacob Gonzales like a broken batter into right field and then the one as we already talked about. But Sabrowski got hit pretty hard with both of those . Then he came back to get two outs after that because he let off the inning with two hits . But yeah, I thought it might have been about that just trying to find the maximum situation because if you get Sabrowski back on his fe et, honestly before he left, he was a better left handed pitcher than Chapman was before his injury. He was the top of most relief lines in terms of advanced . I mean in terms of advanced stats and a lot like Fip and you know, we're looking like at strikeout percentage and things like that. He was the top left in baseball. Now he's had he's got a list longer than well, you can add in your own version in the comments below of injuries and another one snuck up. So that was my theory . The other thing is the reason I have to take blame for the ninth inning one hundred percent is if you go back to last week's show , I said that I felt really comfortable when Kate Smith comes to the game that he is the best player on this team pound for pound. He is their best player right now . Since then, he has not gone well. And when we talk about the reverse chinxitis with me over the years where I'll like bad talk someone and they have, you know, I talked about how Fedi and Kay were hot garbage and then they both were fantastic this series . Go back to like a year ago when the Braves were terrible. I'm like the Braves have no pitching at all and then we couldn't hit them in that entire series. It's like that whole reverse factor. So I'm going to take the blame on this . And I hope for any of Kate Smith's family, they will understand why I have to say these next few words. It's it's for his own sake. I am not changing my mind. Kate Kate Smith is a terrible relie ver. They should just cut him. He should be cut. He's terrible. He's lucky to be a baseball is what you're saying. He's he's not even the best Kate Smith in baseball. Oh, wow. That's right. He's a pitcher named Kates . So again, I apologize to his family, but it's for his own good that I have to make these words. I mean, his ERA gets these two blown saves and in three games his ERA is over three now. Look gonna be an all star, but yeah, I think he'll still be an all star. I agree. But it's been a rough month of June in general. Like he's had a few other blips in here. And again, I mean been rough for the seam in June besides the starting pitching. Like I mean, that's fair, but I'm also going to point out again, when I point out go back and listen to the show earlier this week . He had only thrown one inning more than twice on the entire season . And then we turn around to June and he's been asked to do it what I say four times and of his, let's see, he's had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven appearances. He's given up runs and three out of seven. So and you know , two of them being the last two. And that's after those previous four outings before this one, he gets asked to go more than one inning. So, you know, maybe don't ask guys to do things they're not used to doing. Maybe that's something that we talk'edve about like for votes entire career here. And he just doesn't listen. Like, let's have Sean Armstrong who hasn't done that all year go out and do that when he has no command. I know they won, but again, that's that's a bad process is over . I don't really know. The only thing I could think of for the Armstrong thing was he was the only veteran in the bullpet available at that point that I mean, they had FESTA, but I don't know. I think like I understand like I said, I understand not going to a Spino there because that's a really rough situation for him to be in and you really want to win that game. So I guess you're living and dying with your veterans, which, you know, is on one hand, I understand it. On the other hand, it's also risky move trusting guides april fifth was last the time he pitched more than one inning this year . So I also do want to make this point because I know we've had people talk about like overblowing the usage of Cade Smith sometimes. I've seen comments from that like a new yeah Ken I've heard from Ken talked about like overanalyzing pitch counts and and I don't I don't have enough insight into this this specific I can speak specific theory or circumstance how the Guardians view it, how it works. But I know the guardians at least in the minor league level are very more focused on like it's not pitch count. It's how many times does a guy go sit down after innings over and come back up and heat up because remember it up and down. Yes, because remember they're warming up in the bullet pen, they're coming into the game, they're throwing an inning, then he's going to sit down and then he's getting back up and heating up again. So especially with relievers, they worry about how many times is the guy's arm getting hot and I don't think it's the pitch count with Kate with I think it's unless you're a starter, most relievers don't always get accustomed to sitting down and then having to go back out there and warm it back up and that's something they are I know a lot of teams are focused on so it's not necessarily pitch count for Kade Smith. It has to do when you're talking about asking him things he hasn't to do that he doesn't really do very often, it's not the pitch count. It is the times he has to sit down and get back up and get loose again . And that is something a lot of teams focus on. So and then I also got to say one other harp in this is I I understand Chris Murphy is a lefty, but you knew you was going to pitch one inning having to cry in your free hole just so he could face some one even no I didn't mention today I. mentioned you in text having Fry come in having Fry is the starter . I mean, they almost don't get any runs. The first two runs if there isn't an error on the play, David F ry inst heitsad a new double play. So they get run the mishandled double play so something that played into Cleveland's favor in this one, but like Fry having him in a three spot watching him go over three and the only reason that it wasn't over four was thanks to an error and they lose this game if there isn't that error. They one hundred percent lose this game. David Fry's in Doblay and this game is over. So David Fry struggles, we've been bringing him up, but like having him hit thirds you can so guarantee he faces the left he wants is not worth it to your team . Yeah , we face three times in this one, but you didn't have him right after Rockeo because David Fry . I'm glad you brought that up so we can talk about what needs to change for this upcoming homestead and we want to talk about candidates for the Guardians in the draft at Pick nineteen. It's a wide list so we want to start mentioning a few names now that is coming up Running a business should not feel like you're trying to get a bunch of systems that never were designed to work together. You don't want to have one amper accounting, another inventory, another for sales, and none of them have any sort of communication. They don't work together. That is where Oju comes in. Oju is an all in one business management software that brings every part of your business together in one power platform. So you have sales, you have accounting, you have inventory, marketing. That's all going to work together in one place. 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I'm glad you mentioned that David Fry thing because it has been very ugly for him. We covered it kind of at lengthy yesterday show, but I got to point out like Cooper Wringle now has started two games in a row and left field. I feel like we're starting to move towards the okay, Cooperingo's going to be a left field or at least for this team. We'll see if they ever decide to trade him and he can catch for somebody else, a team that maybe doesn't place the value on catcher defense the way the guardians do . The more and more Cooperingo plays left field. I think the closer and closer we get to him coming up and it's just like I don't know how many times I could say it, Jeff. We just can't keep having Pete Halpin and Tana. Helpin was one of the stars in this game, though. I'll say that. I know I haven't talked about him, but I mean his his hustle to get down the line for the other rope was him getting a hit. Like he was one of my three stars. It was Halpin was Watson might be. So we haven't even talked about Cleo Watson either who also I'll point that out in a second, but yeah, you just can't keep like can't keep having Fairchild and and Helpin and Kwan and Schneimen all the like you keep saying these, guys are all ready. Your child is used correctly today . Fine. It doesn't matter. That's what you don't need four guys like him, which is what you have with this team had a rost. Ier'm fine with Fairchild and the roster if this team has a competent working outfield, but they don't. They don't know . No, but this team, especially with all the injuries, like when you're down to laughter and and Martinez, like I mean, Quantiz el himself, even though he had a decent game. You pointed out the reach he had in the later innings, but I just can't keep doing it. Like I still I still need to see Cooper Engle. I still need to see even when Chase Delaward comes back, which by the way, like we were talking the other day , Chase De Lauder might return on this homestand. It may not be this Friday and maybe july fifth. They're saying sometime they're hopeful this homestand and that homest goes from Friday june twenty fourth to what Sunday july fifth, I believe. Yes, july fifth is the end of it. Yeah, it's a pretty extended homestand, which is nice for them . Hopefully he's back during this homestand. I still want to see Cooper Angle up. I really don't care anymore how left handed heavy they are, Jeff, because you want to know what? We keep saying this bultoons don't work unless you have the Rayburns and the Gaiers and like remember in zero five when they had, what was it? Eduardo Perez and Ben Brassard, like that was a great patoon. If you don't have those pieces, it doesn't matter. So you know what? Give me the left handed bath that actually has the highest upside and just try to survive until these injuries are or go get Coney Huff . Try out the guy who's hitting his right hand and that's fine too. I don't care about that''ss f fineine. That too. And then Watson, like he had a really rough start to his major league career, at least the way Basana did except was on a walk, but you want to know what Clear Watson was responsible for pretty much all the offense the last two days He maybe he at maybe he won't keep it up yeah, maybe he won't keep it up. Maybe he will like but either way like this is one of those guys Jeff we talked about in the past right now he has been mister right now and that's what the Guardians need and I was especially impressed on the hit the extra innings by the way because you know, the home runny had this week he trolled a fastball on the inner half, which I know he could do, but the pitch he singled to give them the lead in the tenth inning was a backdoor breaking ball and he sat back on and he flicked it the other way and got the hit to left field. Those are the kind of hits that impressed me the most because a lot of guys can turn on inside fastballs. Not a lot of guys have the ability to do that. And also, especially rookies stay back and try to flip the ball to left field in a situation where you absolutely needed something like that . Yeah, I mean he there's going to be the ups and downs . I'm absolutely a believer in giving him this opportunity. It makes perfect sense right now the same reason he went over ten with seven strikeouts in the same way he's been hot this week. L thatike's going to be part of the package for a guy who does, you know, expand a bit and does chase and does do some things like that, but he is also an extremely exciting talent who when he makes contact can do, you know, amazing things with the ball I'.m not And saying he is this player, but like an example of a guy who chases and does all of that stuff . There are two names with three names that come to mind who have pretty terrible chase but hit the ball hard and do damage when they make contact . The lower end is Jesus Sanchez, who have been chasing for years for this team. And then you know, it's like Salvi President Julio Rodriguez. Now, I'm not saying he is those guys because he's not, but like you can be successful with this profile as long as you hit the ball hard because when you're making contact, good things will happen in that situation because you can hit it hard. Yeah, yeah and he's good he's fun . He made another great defensive play I think in the first inning as well, like , you know, like I said, he was easily one of the three players the game for me in this one with Help and Tanner and we really haven't given Tanner too much credit as well because we were kind of like because this game run us dry of positivity while you're watching it it's just the way things are going. Yeah . But you know, Tanner , my goodness, like he's making taste to be the well, here's the thing Parker Messik is the team ace right now, just unbelievable. Like, but like, I mean, Tanner's making a case that if the playoffs start tomorrow that Gavin should be your three starter it's I mean he's making that case that like if the guardians and I'll say this for tomorrow show that like you know, , maybe if they want to get better and they want to talk to a team like Oakland who has the worst starter year in baseball like maybe Gavin Williams is your best trade chip. Maybe it's not one of the rookies Yeah, I just don't know how you replace that in the rotation. It's hard. It's hard because that's where you got to figure it out. Is it more valuable to get that one in five start and to drop down to an Allen or a Peterson who I'll maybe talk about tomorrow short or is it? Yeah, Peterson, we haven't mentioned that and he's getting on a roll er. He's added a pitch and Peterson and Messick we had very similar graded throughout their minor league careers until the very end. Yeah, Peterson added the velocity . No , he hasn't unfortunately . But you know, it's like, is it more valuable for that one start for an inconsistent guy who when he's on is the best pitcher in the staff and when he's off struggles or is it more valuable to potentially get an everyday bat that could be in the middle of lineup. Like probably debate. It's especially considering especially considering one day they know they won't be keeping gap and no such is you know still stupid all right let's quickly talk about some draft. We have some extra, we have some time today because of the four ads . Let's talk draft a couple of I don't have any names in the combine to talk about today, Jeff. I do. I want okay. Well, can you can we just talk? We're supposed to talk candidates at nineteen yesterday. we did Can we? Yeah. I'm gonna throw we got a former Guardian Sash Indian pitcher's son that I'll throw save for the end of the show . Yeah. Well we've talked about him before, but no one different . Oh, a different Oh there's he has two sons . No, no, this is no, this is, this is not that pitcher that you're thinking of. This is a different guy who used to pitch for Cleveland whose son had a really big day at the combo. Oh, okay. I was taking different pictures. Okay, anyway, so guys at nineteen , we don't have to name them all today, but I think we'd like at least throw but we will ye . I'm still very interested in Tyler Spangler. I think his combine was okay. At least we know he's kind of healthy, which is good . You know, there's some weird off the field stuff. I wonder how comfortable the guardians will be with that , how much they've gotten to know him because he is from an area they would normally scout. So I'm like super comfortable with Spangler if the if the background stuff checks out for him at nineteen. I think pretty I know you've got some other ideas. I think I'm pretty much all set on prep bats. Like I just don't like enough of the college pictures this year. The college hitters that will be available that range like just don't make sense to me like I only talked to Agesees Re, but I guess I'd be okay with Ace Reese, but like I think I'm pretty much settled that on like a college or a prep nineteen this year . You know, throwing Archer though Snyder , um , I mean, Taj Marshine, I don't know if he goes there. Rocko Manascalco his Malas he's still second rounder because he was pretty cool in the spring. Archer horn, Archer Horne is a guy archer y. Yeah. Like he was already a guy who was trending upwards. I didn't think he was getting out of the top twenty five slick defender. His dad was a pitcher at Princeton with Chris Young , Stanford commit. I mean, he had in the first group. I mean, for a guy who wasn't the biggest guy, he was hitting the ball hard. He's a six to short stop this team this org lacks short stops in the system short stops are always highly tradable as well , but he was hitting one hundred five regularly with exit villo and then off when he was playing in the field. He was hitting over ninety on his throws from short. So some big tools there with Archer Horne. Like he, I mean, I already had him like in that area , but like this put him, I'm going to have him higher than Spangler for me . Just looking at those two . And then yeah, I mean, I still kind of like Logan Hughes. I know they won't touch him Bo Lawrence, there's a lot of work to be done on him. Same thing with Gridlinger. Like those are guys who are going to take a lot of a lot of seasoning, but there's some fun bits to them. I guess that's also kind of the problem though I'll say is like the prep talent there is there's those three guys and then it's like because the prep hair class isn't great. So it's a little bit of a you know it's it's not as clean of who like probably the depth of the draft at that point in the draft is going to be college pitchers . I do like Keith Townsend yeah Keith Townsend a lot. Like Kate Townsend has a ninety eight mile an hour fastball with twenty IV and then he's got a cutter that's even better than that and he's got a slighter in curve there plus I could be okay with King Townsend point s nineteen control finger but I could be okay with that his command is probably about fifty. a I would say but his, control is probably like a forty. So that's kind of the knock there . But yeah, he's one of the pitchers I like. You know, I've talked about why I like West Mendes. He's not for nineteen but unfortunately I don't think he's gonna get to the second round anymore where I kind of put him that there's definitely some messic vibes as another Florida state or there. But yeah, it's the bigger thing is just who slides beard . Who is that? I like Tray Beard, but that's that's not nineteen. No, yeah. I'm not as big as I'm with you I'm with you on Archer Horn for sure at night to be an interesting interesting way to go. Yeah, I guess I could live with Kate Townsend. It wouldn't be my favorite, but I'd be okay with it. Definitely out on Logan Rediman, you know, he didn't really wasn't able to turn it loose in his combine and he has a pitch since like what April. So like I just I don't think he gets there what Guardians pick next to what at fifty nine I think after nineteen. I don't think he gets the fifty nine , but I couldn't do it in nineteen. I would just and of course that means they're going to do it because they'll take the injured guy that they think should have had a higher grade or something. And that's again, something to remember is whatever guy grades as a high first round town and slips to nineteen they'll probably be taking. So maybe that's it's not going to be camp flukey but like you know I mean that's Kate Townsend because he must start with a shoulder injury that kind of scared off two because he's under sized too. There's that. Yeah, there's that. Yeah, I just there's a name I wanted for well, we didn't talk about this yesterday, but Kayden Bogginpool. I'm not there at nineteen on him, but no. I'm not there at fifty nine on him either. He didn't hit in the sunbelt. you You can' ift hit the sun bel t with his two but he's a trades guy. He is like I don't care . Like if you that makes it worse like if you go and you light up the combine and you can't beat if you are the physically bigger, stronger with bat speed and everything else and you stink against guys who aren't good enough to even play independent baseball then stink but you need to dominate those guys. When you don't, that is what I have called for years the Jeff Hoffman Coralary. Everyone said Jeff Hoppin was a top ten pick. I'm like, I don't want him. There are points where people like Jeff Hopins a one candid. Like, I don't want him because he's facing a lower level of competition and he's not dominant. If you can't dominate with your tools, I'm out . So that also applies to AJ Carasia then who too? We thought, you know, maybe he slides a little . Well, I mean, he still , but it wasn't a lower level of competition. He was at Virginia sure. He had some injuries . But and we're both you and I are both still settled on Miles Bailey being the turn around pick for this team . The other guy too , I know you don't like him as much as I do, but the kid that's on your way, the high school first baseman out on him. I've got no interest. What's his name? Santorelli, Dominic Santorelli. Yeah, see, I really like him. I think he's not going to make it to fifty nine. I don't think you take him at the first round, though. Like that's the other things too. I kind of liked him for a while and I did some more digging and some video and I was just like there's there's a lot of like your traditional plus power first baseman with him who yeah he's going to be able to play other positions like every year these guys no he's not really a first baseman. He's athletic. He can play every and then none of them do. Like almost no one try we try to talk myself into that with Nick Kurtson and Nick Kurts doesn't happen and Evan White and like you can keep going . It just happens all the time. Before we run out of time already super late. So the player I'm mentioning is who lit up with the combine today was Jensen Verhas Verhass, who's dad, Jose Varis pitched for a long time in the big leagues, including Cleveland in two thousand nine where he appeared in twenty two games he played for Cleveland. That's yeah, he played for he played for Cleveland. So today he smacked the crap out of the ball. Like he hit a one hundred and fourteen