The Pregnancy Claim and Legal Chaos

This is an IHAT podcast . Guaranteed Human . My first guest is Karen Token, Shakira, Luk and Yarin. Have surprises , many surprises. Welcome to the Sw three hundredeet five podcast where the group check comes to life. You're the only person I know that loves a yellow starburst. It's lemonade . This is Sweet three hundred five. Here, focus sharing is encouraged. Listen toeet S threew hundred and five with Lily Pons on the iHart Radio App le podcast or wherever you get your podcasts There was no anything inside those eyes . They turned black . It scared the hell out of me . Evil wake up. I'm the one that saw the murder take place by Crebette and DePipo. Anthony de Pippo showed no signs of remorse , appearing unfazed after being sentenced to the maximum. I said I'm not guilty, I'll take it to the grave . 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Well, come on down. So distill a nice pot of tea every body, turn down the gas on your Bunsen burner, and slip into your most comfortable lab coat and listen to the stuff you should know doin' science playlist on the iHart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast . It's just before seven AM on january twenty ninth, twenty twenty five in Scottsdale, Arizona. Please search for it . Arizona has a reputation for relentless heat, but after years of living there, I know better . Winters in the desert can be chilly , and this morning was one of those days. It was forty five degrees and still dark outside . We have a search warrant, okay? We're serving it on the behalf of the Maricopa County's attorney's office. You need to open up the door . The Scottsdale police are at the home of thirty four year old Laura Ow . She and her parents live in one of the most desirable areas of Scottsdale. Think upscale ranch style homes on spacious lots. It's a rare urban neighborhood that still allows horses , but this morning the calm and quiet was interrupted. We made entry. We're contacting my parents right now. You're good to move to the casida. Laura lives in a cas ita on her parents' property , which is kind of like a little studio apartment that's separate from the main house. Through a sliding glass door, officers can see Laura, who is already awake and feeding her dogs . Laura, Scottsdale police . You see my badge? We're with the Scottsdale police department. Okay, can you come out and talk with us please? No. The county attorneys have a search warrant for your property, so we need you to come out. Okay , I'm sorry, it's not even seven in the morning, that's fine . Laura looks incredibly thin, dressed in an oversized fleetwood mac t shirt and leggings. Her dark hair is pulled back in a ponytail . She's not exactly shocked to see the police, but she is annoyed by their timing. I was told that if the police were going to come, they would come during business hours. Can I call my attorney p,lease? Laura reaches for her cell phone and calls her attorney, David Jingris. David, do you know what's going on right now? The Scottsdale police are trying to handle this as calmly as possible. But Laura is getting more agitated by the minute Our target is very animated at this point, refusing to come out. She's speaking to us through a sliding glass door. We're giving her an opportunity to talk to her attorney so they don't have to escalate things. L thatike's just where we're at right now. She's on speaker with her attorney and the attorney's advising her to come out . There's a open door. A lot. Open the door . Did you think of authority to search before seven o'clock in the morning? Please survey barriers to let them do what they're using . With her lawyers okay, she slowly opens her screen door and the Scottsdale police lead her into the main house where her parents are waiting. Laura's having a meltdown seven in the morning I murdered somebody I agree . I agree this is so law is a subject of an investigation by the courts it's regarding that. You know what? It's not even stubborn clock, I does nothing except get branded by the fucking Bachelor . The Bachelor, as in the hit reality TV show , imagine one of its stars, a former lead , at the center of a major paternity scandal . The man whose story prompted this early morning police raid is none other than Clayton Eckard . He's one of the most notorious and unpopular bachelors of all time . His season fell to pieces, leaving him single and rejected by the woman he'd fallen in love with. After the show, he moved to Scottsdale, Arizona, hoping for a fresh start. On the show, Clayton didn't meet his person, but after moving to Arizona, he would meet the person that would change the course of his life forever. I'm Stephanie Young , and this is Love Trapped Nearly two years before the police raid, Laura Owens hooked up with Clayton Eckard and allegedly became pregnant. That is only the beginning of the story , a story that is still very much going on. It's about how difficult it can be to verify the truth , especially when facts are constantly shifting . Anytime someone doesn't want to give you the full information, they lose all credibility. I don't know what she did, but we certainly didn't rule out the spit maneuver. The things that she said to Clayton, the famous lines about don't you feel want to how tight I am and stuff like that. Why would she have said that if they had already had sex? She says, We were sexually intimate. Okay . Well, now he's saying you only had two blow jobs. Blow jobs don't make babies. It's like a miracle somehow that she got pregnant. She could have shot herself in the ass with fertility drugs. They hooked up, but they didn't have sex. Turkey basters. It's just a chaos . In the end, the man at the center of this drama would begin to question everything , setting him on an all consuming path to prove the truth. Hello, this is Clayton speaking. Hey Clayton. It's Stephanie from Glass Podcasts. How are you today? Hey Stephanie. I'm doing good. It's honestly just another slow Friday today. When I first heard about this case, it sounded simple , but as I began looking into it myself , the twists and turns became increasingly strange . So I gave Clayton a call . We have email ed back and forth a few times about this whole Laura Owen saga and want to tell your story. I want to tell it in a podcast and get all the details out there. I know you've shared some but I don,'t think that you've shared all of them yet. I mean, there's there's so much . I do want it out there just full transparency. I just I hope it's told correctly. This would be my first of many phone calls with Clayton. I live in Chicago now, but I used to call Arizona home . It's one of my favorite places. It's where I attended college, it's where I got married, and began my career in radio and podcasting . I was actually in Arizona shopping for a wedding dress when I first heard about this on the news , and I'll be heading back there soon to start reporting on this case myself. So how do you feel about letting me share your story ? I mean, Stephanie, I hope that over time that this becomes a budding friendship and like I can trust you and it can be told in the way that it needs to be told and how I would like for it to be told. But I want to also just again, be completely honest because that's how I live my life . I've been screwed over so many times by producers that have told me this is how I'm going to be seen and then it's complete opposite. So like, is there a little bit of hesitancy? Yeah , I'm going to definitely want to be in the know as much as possible . Clayton's story is an epic battle of he said she said . It's a story about who you believe and why . Over the past two years, it's ignited the internet , becoming a kind of viral cautionary tale. Along the way , dozens of citizen sleuths and armchair investigators joined the conversation , scrutinizing every little detail . But here's the thing , when the news broke that Clayton was part of this paternity scandal, no one believed him at first because he was a reality TV star, and an unpopular one at that. All of a sudden, his word was at the center of a case that would put him back in the spotlight in a way he never expected. Just so you know , I have family that lives in Phoenix. So next time I'm in Arizona, I'd love to try to get together and maybe have a conversation to see how we can tell this story together in a way that makes sense. Honestly, I think that'd be great. I mean, I'm a huge believer in just face to face interaction and I would really like that way. Obviously we can get to know one another and understand what seriously we're both getting into because you were going to be in over your head . And he was right. I had no idea how big this story really was. To really understand what's going on here , you first have to understand how Clayton was portrayed on TV and why he was so unpopular . You see, his season of The Bachelor ended in flames . The Rose Ceremony from Hell, it's one of the most memorable moments in the history of the show that basically blew up his whole season . I promise you that when you look back at this , this is gonna aunt you the fact that you let me go . It didn't help that the three final contestants were some of the most likeable in the entire franchise. Clayton came off as almost insensitive , but that's only part of what earned him the title of Most Hated Bachelor ever . He left the show in embarrassment. The internet turned on him. This is going down as an all time bad season. He's going down as an all time bad bachelor. I've been saying all season that I think this guy sucks. His words and his actions did not line up. If I see any of these people defending this guy kind of shame on you . And in the end, Clayton was left alone . He was at an all time low. I was the worst bachelor ever at this point . People were hating me, everything that they were watching on TV . I thought how am I ever going to recover from what I've done? My first guest is Karis Hopkins, Shakira, Luke and eat in. Samida eat gracy . I'm so excited on a bouncy bed. You have surprises many surprises. Welcome to Sweet three hundred five where the good chat comes to life. What up It's a document is serving . Yes. Set miamante. You're the only person I know that loves the yellow starburst. This is Sweet three hundred five. Listen to Sweet three hundred five with Le Pons as part of my Gulgura podcast network on the iHart radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast s . In the moment, it felt like it was going on forever. I didn't think I was gonna live I was terrified . There was no inside those eyes , they turned black . It scared the hell out of me. That was your first murder case. Yes, sir. It's fair to say this was the biggest case your career. Yes, sir. Rape the murder of Chung's poor year old child bad as he gets . I would think so . People wake up. I'm the one that saw the murder take place by Crema and DePippo. Anthony depippo showed no signs of remorse , appearing unfazed after being sentenced to the maximum. I said I'm not guilty, I'll take it to the grave . Listen to the Devil's Quarry on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts . And to hear the Devil's Quarry ad free with exclusive content , subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts . 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Even his brother Nate didn't think he did a very good job. I wouldn't give him the best grade . I think he was authentic. I think he was himself , but it just ended up getting him in more trouble. Respectfully, there have been many other bachelor contestants who have actually committed crimes. Clayton's only crime was not being likable . He's blunt and truthful, and oftentimes that lands him in hot water. When people watch a show like the Bachelor , they think that they know you based on what they watch on TV . And what sucks is that I didn't get a great edit and so now people were less likely to want to rally behind me with this whole cause because they didn't like me based off of what they saw on TV . I had my own preconceived notions about Clayton before I met him . I kind of thought the same thing a lot of people did. He was your typical playboy. I had to get to know him myself because this story isn't about the Bachelor . Hey , how's it going? Oh my gosh, you really are that tall. I got blessed with some height. It's good to see you too. Absolutely. Welcome to the humble abode I'm Matt Clayton for the first time last August when I was visiting my parents in Arizona. He's a big guy. His hands are double the size of mine. He's got a killer smile, hazel eyes, and a square jaw. He has thick curly hair most men or women would die for . And at six five, he towers over me. I drank cream soda growing up and my parents said, You know, if you keep drinking that you're going to stunt your growth. So I switched over to milk and I think there was hormones in the milk. All those hormones were probably pumping up my height. Today, Clayton is a pretty normal guy. He's in solar sales, he's a realtor. He takes hip hop dance classes, and he owns and manages an Airbnb in Scottsdale. In fact, the day I met him, he shared his original concept of an optional Airbnb add on, where for an additional fee, he would personally provide guests with a private rose ceremony experience. I give them the exact same speel that I would have given to the women on the show . I'm so grateful that you all are here tonight for this incredible mom ent. What a journey we all have had. As a lifelong fan of the franchise, when he recreated this rose ceremony moment for me, it was like Clayton became the Bachelor again. I had a videographer here to film all of that, and I released it and the ABC hit me with the cease and desist . The cease and desist wouldn't be the last of his legal troubles , as you'll soon find out . So how did Clay ton even get here in the first place ? What was his path to becoming the Bachelor ? I wanted to start from the beginning . Clayton grew up in Missouri and spent twenty eight years of his life there and Clayton is your normal Midwest guy . I grew up with my two younger brothers and we're just a household of boys and we competed in every single thing from sports to grades . So a lot of who I am today stems from those early childhood challenges amongst me and my brothers . Clayton says his younger brother outshined him . He had a lot of confidence growing up that I never possessed . And so he succeeded at a higher level than me. A lot of the girls loved him. He was smooth because he didn't overthink things. Meanwhile, I was getting friends by all the girls in my grade . Even girls in my grade liked my brother more than they liked me. When Clayton got to high school, he was determined to prove himself. That's when I decided , hey, the way that I establish worth is by becoming the best on the football field and becoming the most sought after man that I can be. Clayton had a good senior football season, not good enough to get a scholarship, but good enough to walk on the team at the University of Missouri . Everyone expected me not to make it. It's a division one program top program in the state. And he made it. He became a tight end on the team and even went on to play in the NFL . He was cut early on, but hey, he made it. That's what mattered to him. And this experience led him to the next chapter in his career, medical device sales . They love their athletes. So they're like, Hey, we don't care if you don't have any sales experience. We love athletes. And so they bring me on so I get this nice, great job out of college. Clayton paid his dues in the industry while living in Columbia, Missouri . He was big into fitness and posting his workout videos on Instagram , but on his twenty eighth birthday , he had what he referred to as a quarter life crisis. I had this epiphany where I realized I had not grown as a person in five years. That's how I felt. I was doing the same job that I'd been doing for the last five years . Romantically, I was just dating casually. I hadn't grown in that regard whatsoever . And realized I need to get out of this environment. I'm stagnant. That's when everything changed for him . I got a DM from a casting producer on Instagram. A producer from the Bachelor was searching via fitness hashtags, which I had put on one of my pictures and that's, how they found me. It wasn't the first time he'd been scouted. He'd been approached to be on Love Island and an HBO Christmas dating show. He turned them both down and told his brother that the only show he would consider was the Bachelorette . But then when the opportunity was actually presented to him , I'm like, there's no way I can do this . So my brother brings it up one day and he's like, You gonna go' onre the show and I said, I don't think so. He goes, Oh, so you're not a man of your word. I said, What do you mean? He goes, Don't you remember that conversation we had? He said, You said the one show you would go on is the Bachelorette. He goes, and so now you're not going to do it , so you're not a man of your word . And that's all I needed. He agreed to go on the Bachelorette . He barely watched the show, except when he was glancing over his mom's shoulder. It was my mom's favorite show growing up. It was always on in our house. Clayton was cast on Michelle Young's season of The Bachelorette in twenty twenty one . Michelle's a natural beauty with wavy black hair. She's a college basketb all player turned elementary school teacher . Clayton thought she was dropped dead gorgeous , but when he got on set for the first time , he was overwhelmed by the production of it all. I will never forget my first night before I walked on to Rowdy television . He was a nervous wreck when he got out of the limo to meet Michelle. I step out the limo, lights are blinding me . They said if you mess up, keep going. There are no redoes. When the cameras were thrown on me, it was just a shock . I was in that moment wondering if I was swaying my arms too much while I was walking. That's how hyperfixated I was on the minute things because all of a sudden that moment you're like nothing is hidden. Everything is out there . And things didn't get any better once you met the other guys . First guy see ends up being the guy that won the whole thing. He's six foot eight, light skinned, looks like a model. I'm like, oh, I'm done. There's no way I'm going to make this last longer than one night if this is my competition . Clayton made it past night one, but he didn't get a lot of screen time It was hardly any. It was like eight minutes max, maybe . Ultimately, he was sent home before hometown dates. Michelle walked into the limo and he was driven off the set. But the next morning , Clayton was called for one final exit scene . Michelle was an elementary school teacher, and earlier in the episode, Clayton met two of her students. He was brought in to shoot a final scene where the two kids gave him handwritten goodbye letters. We watch Clayton read each letter and well up with tears . It was surprising because you are super genuine and I liked you a lot and I, know you'd be a really great husband for Ms. Young . You'll probably meet someone else and fall in love and have lots of kids and be a great dad. Clayton didn't realize it in the moment , but this scene was his screen test to be the Bachelor . This is one of love so badly . And I have a family And I'll do whatever it takes to get that . He nailed it, and then his producer made the offer . They wanted him to be the next bachelor. Even Clayton was surprised I got sent home with seven guys ahead of me, so I figured I wasn't even contention. So when he said that I was like, yeah, I'll do it. Clayton said something that stood out to me . He was sent home earlier in the season than most future leads , so picking him was kind of a strange choice. I wanted some insight on this , so I turned to reality Steve. He's a podcaster , blogger, and de facto authority on the Bachelor franchise. He knows how the show works behind the scenes. Here's why he thinks the show casts Clayton as the lead. My guess was to control him, a guy that they could clearly see , hey, he's gonna do what we tell him to do because he's so grateful for this opportunity . The thing is , Clayton was grateful for the opportunity. It was validation that I was special , which the people pleaser in me was always chasing . So to have that moment come to a place where it was like, we want you to be the guy. I was like, I'm the guy. And you don't just become the guy without having a whole track record of success. He finally found the validation he was looking for , but he didn't realize that once you invite the world in , you can't tell them when to leave. I'll never forget this producer looks at me and she goes , take this moment in because this is the last moment of silence that you'll likely have in your life for a long time if ever . That's the moment I remember because my life has never been the same since that point . The noise has never stopped. Clayton began filming his season of the Bachelor in late September of twenty twenty one , and he was ready to find love. At that point, I was so overcome with just excitement. What is my life? This isn't even real. Pinch me, but don't actually pinch me because if this is a dream, I don't want to wake up from it. That's how grateful and excited I was . I was just soaking it all in and I felt like I'm gonna give everyone the love story that they're looking for 'cause I got the genuine heart that's actually looking for something serious. This is going to be a fairy tale ending. I'm going to ride off into the sunset and be the hero that everybody was anticipating I'd be or wants me to be. That's what I believe was gonna happen . I really belie ved it up until like the last week . Where the fuck did I go wrong ? So here's what happened. When Clayton got down to the finalists, he broke an unspoken rule of the Bachelor , which is the show doesn't really work if you tell all the finalists you're in love with them , especially while they're all standing in front of you. I still to this day didn't realize that was an untold rule . I believe in radical honesty. It's probably gotten me and actually it has got me in trouble more than a few times in my life. Not only did Clayton admit to falling in love with all of the finalists , he also revealed that he'd had sex with two of them. Here's what he said he was thinking . Every emotion was rushing in. It was a lot. I mean, I was so drained at that point. I had a mix of frustration with myself , sadness to see the looks on the faces of the women . I realized that things were going in the exact opposite direction that I planned for them to go. The rose ceremony from Hell was filmed in Iceland, and Clayton's parents and two brothers were there too . While it was being filmed, his family was out to dinner with some of the show's producers who were getting frantic texts from the production team. Here's Clayton's dad Brian Even the producer told me when I was sitting in a room with her , she goes, you know, Mr. Record , your son gave us some great material. Unfortunately , it's just gonna look like shit. She goes, I don't know why anybody save them. I was like, well, we'll see what it looks like when it comes out . The producers were right. It didn't look good for Clayton . In the end, there were three women . The first was Rachel, a radiant blonde who was also a pilot . Next was Gabby Wendy, a nurse and former NFL cheerleader with a quick wit . She's since become a pop culture icon who you might have seen on the Traders and Dancing with the stars. When she was on Clayton's season of the Bachelor , she was not happy with how he handled himself . I'm pissed because I spent the last two days away from my family and my friends who actually get about me and you don't . That was rough . Then there was Suzy. She was a wedding photographer, former Miss Virginia actually , and she was the one Clayton was leaning towards . But Suzy decided to leave the competition early, right before the finale. She got cold feet about getting engaged . In a very unusual and risky move, Clayton sent the other two finalists home. He wanted to propose to Susie. And surprise, surprise , she was still in Iceland. So he made a grand gesture and asked her to come to the final rose ceremony. She agreed to show up , and when he handed her the rose, she said what no other contestant has ever said before I have made the decision to leave Iceland alone, but it doesn't like take away from everything that we've had and the love that I genuinely like feel in my heart for you. In other words , she said no . I asked Clayton if in that moment he regretted becoming the bachelor . Yes, one thousand percent . I wish I had never answered that DM when I, yeah, absolutely. That's how I felt . Clayton told me that he felt like the producers pushed him to develop a strong connection with more than one woman . And they encouraged him to try that last stitch effort with S uzy I felt like the producers were trying to lead me and potentially produce me into reacting a certain way. And so I started to question , are we on the same team? Like am I able to really just do what I want or is there some type of motive here from you all that I need to fall in line with? It's telling that Clayton didn't realize this until the end . Here's reality, Steve . They took advantage of a naive guy who didn't know television and didn't know the process of this show and had a field day with him . Shortly after Clayton returned from filming the show, he received a DM from Suzie on Instagram, asking if they could talk about what happened in Iceland , and Clayton agreed. We had a three hour conversation that night and talked a lot about produc er involvement and how it stopped us from being able to pursue the relationship further . Suzie felt the same way that producers forced them into a decision at the end. It just felt like producers got really involved and I felt like the whole situation felt manipulated and orchestrated and I didn't know who to trust anymore, whether it was not trusting Clayton or producers . And I was like, I just need to leave here . After that conversation, they decided to reconnect and give the relationship a go on their own terms without cameras . But America couldn't know yet , because the show hadn't premiered . Living through it had been one thing . Then, Clayton joined the millions of Americans watching his season play out on TV. It did not go well . The premier trailer , it started off all happy Go Lucky. And then the back half of the trailer, they just showed everything blowing up. They showed that clearly there's no love story here. It's full drama and they set me up for failure right out the gate . And the internet was ruthless . Clayton knew it had been bad . He didn't know it had been this bad . So many of those people that sent me death threats told me that I never deserve love, told me that they would put a bullet in my head if they ever saw me in person, tell me I'm stupid, ugly. My physique was attacked, my actions were attacked , and it's like they all forgot that I was a human. I'm like, guys, I'm still a human being. This stuff hurts. The show provided mental health resources for as long as Clayton needed them. It's just a shame because you would hope that you would n't have to ever utilize them in the first place. Clayton knew he wasn't perfect, but as the finale approached , the online hate took its toll on him . My mental health was the worst it's ever been in my life . I thought wouldn't it be better if I just wasn't here ? There was a point where where I focus in on the closed drawer in front of me that had my pistol inside the drawer . And I start having the thought just that it's there . And I felt weak in that moment. And I almost felt guilty for even considering that because I thought there's no way I could ever put this type of pain in my family And I knew at that point, I was like, I got to get out of this environment . This is not good. Clayton reached out to the Bachelor producers for help . I said, I am in a terrible place right now. I'm having extremely dark thoughts . I feel worthless . I need support . He desperately wanted to see his girlfriend Suzy , but the rules were , if they wanted to meet in person , they had to go through producers first , since the show was still airing. Suzy was genuinely worried about him. Here's Suzie . At the time he didn't mention gun in the drawer , but I remember also calling producers at that same time and I said, Hey, I really think something is very wrong and I don't think you should be alone right now . Thankfully, they understood the severity of it. They got me out on a red eye, they got her out on a red eye, and I then had at least Suzy there to support me. Soon, during the live finale , America would find out the truth about Clayton and Suzy's relationship . Are you guys back together? That's my boyfriend. You'd think this news would have started Clayton's redemption arc. He and Suzy did end up together after all , but that's not what happened. The online trolls started to come for Susie too . I received some of the most like disgusting , graphic , nasty messages I've ever received in my life after the final show . That was a lot to go . Susie felt like the Bachelor left them out to dry , and let them take the fall for producers' decisions. There's a lot of criticism on Clayton on how things happened. And I think some of that is deserved, and some of it is also like, okay, we have to take a step back and recognize that there's a whole production behind it. When the show wrapped, Clayton and Suzy had to deal with being a publicly hated couple. Their relationship wasn't celebrated like most bachelor couples , and their social media accounts were spammed with hate comments . They were both just trying to feel normal again After nine months of dating under intense online scrutiny, Clayton and Suzy decided to call it quits. I think our relationship was just too tumultuous to last. Like I think that we went through something really ,ic really traumat together and that could have brought us closer , but we both were two people that went through something really, really hard and we just didn't have the toolkit to like make it work. When I lost her, I lost a rock, you know, I lost somebody that really fully understood me. He took the breakup hard, so he spent the next year working on himself. At the end of twenty twenty two, Clayton wanted a fresh start . I moved to Scott'sdale, Arizona, which is the hot spot . There is so much happening here. It's very close to all the west coast cities . Having lived there, I can tell you it's kind of a party town. Very fast paced , a lot of distractions, a lot of problems as well . It's almost fitting that Scottsdale is one of the most popular destinations for bachelorette parties. When I got to Scotto, I didn't have dating on my mind. I had I had a big old party mindset and I thought I get to be single and I get to be single as the Bachelor, former Bachelor , and I'm gonna just milk this moment and I'm gonna have my fun. He thought it would be smooth sailing now that the Bachelor was behind him. Damn was he wrong . My first guest is Karis Hoten, Shakira, Luke and ear in Samira Grace . I'm so excited on a bouncy bed. You have surprises many surprises. Welcome to Sweet three hundred five where the good chat comes to life. What else? Come off here for mine come off to come and see hospitals . Yes. Set me a manta. You're the only person I know that loves a yellow starburst. This is Sweet three hundred five. Listen to Sweet three hundred five with Le Pons as part of my Gulfura podcast network on the iHart radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts . In the moment, it felt like it was going on forever. I didn't think I was going to live . I was terrified . There was no inside those eyes. 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