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This black music month, the Quest Love Show celebrates the visionaries, shaping culture through sound from country trail blazer, Mickey Guiden to hip hop icon Fab Five Freddy, the sonic genius of Thundercat, and the revolutionary voice of Chuck Dee. I want it loud look really so the timing might be off, the sound might be muffled, but what's going to come out of there is something that you can feel. Celebrate Black Music Month with special episodes of the Quest Love Show. Listen on the iHart Radio app podcast or wherever you get your podcast When you think of a paternity scandal, this is probably what comes to mind . Sir , you are not the father . Men have a millennia old reputation for refusing parental responsibilities . It can destroy families and alter the course of lives. As Mauri Povich proved, a paternity test is the ultimate dramatic reveal. It's a def initive answer, a yes or no . But what happened to Clayton Eckard isn't that simple ? I said, OK, hey, we got to do the paternity test. That's coming up. And then she's making excuses and saying like, I don't think I really need to do this . I already know you're the father. I haven't been with anybody else so I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to waste my money. I'll just wait until the due date. I'm Stephanie Young , and this is Love Trapped. I'll be raising holy helmets if you ever , ever , ever , ever try ing On may twentieth, twenty twenty three, Clayton invited a woman named Laura Owens over to his house. They'd been flirting over te xt . According to Clayton, they had oral sex that night, not penetrative sex . Then, just eleven days later, Laura had news she was pregnant , and she was sure the baby was his . I was having a hard time believing it because we didn't have sex , so I wanted her to take a test in front of me so that I could see it with my own eyes. Laura came over to his place to take another pregnancy test . It was positive . I have my hand pressing against my forehead, elbows on the countertop. I'm leaning over the sink and I'm just in disbelief. And she's just like, how are you feeling? She starts rubbing my back. I'm like, Is this real ? And in the moment, I was like, she is pregnant. On one hand, Clayton believed his own eyes . He believed the proof he was now seeing right in front of him. And I'm like, I'm sorry. She's like, for what? I said, for not believing you . I thought you were lying. On the other hand, Laura had been behaving erratically since their hookup , so much so that he decided to block her phone number . But now she was in his house, positive pregnancy test in hand, and she was distraught. We sat down on my couch and talked for probably an hour and a half, two hours , and I was reassuring her the entire time . It was almost reflexive to comfort her and tell her it was going to be okay , but something about Laura felt off . It felt a little bit forced or it felt a little bit like it was a production . There was they an element of insincerity . Nevertheless, he told Laura he would unb lock her number and they would figure it out . After a few hours, she left. When he shut the door behind her, reality sunk back in. There was no way she could be pregnant. He replayed the night of the hookup in his memory , and his mind went to extreme places. She'd run to the bathroom right after the blow job What had happened behind that bathroom door? Was there some way she could have impregnated herself ? I was ninety nine point nine percent sure she wasn't pregnant. Unfortunately for me, there was a zero point one percent chance of doubt that I was like , maybe she got it there in quick enough time when she went to the bathroom. Maybe she had a syringe on hand that I was unaware of . There's a small chance. I don't believe it, but I can't fully rule it out. Then he got an email . It was from Laura. Don't bother reading this if you don't want to have the dating conversation. Her emails are being read by a voice actor. If you don't want to try things, that's fine, but if I'm alone either way, the abortion is off the table. I strongly believe that regardless of your feelings for me, it's unfair to the child to not be exposed to both parents. The messages were bizarre , and they kept coming. You act like it would be a punishment to date me, but I bring a lot to the table. My exact thought was , either, I'm dealing with the craziest woman I've ever met , or I'm dealing with someone that's telling the truth. And there's really no in between . Clayton's plan was to figure it out on his own before anyone online got wind of the situation. He was a public figure . This could be a huge reputational blow . If this girl goes to the media, it's just gonna be a pain in the ass because we have to wait on the paternity test , which is going to take some time . It's something that I'm going to be fighting uphill battle on. He started frantically googling, maybe this was a misunderstanding. Maybe there was another explanation . She had mentioned that she had epilepsy . And so I just had this feeling of you need to Google epilepsy medications and see if there's any correlation between epilepsy meds and H CG , which is the pregnancy hormone . And I googled that and sure enough , there was a correlation where certain medications could cause elevated levels of HCG . When I saw that, that was the bingo. This is what's going on . Maybe she's not lying. She's just not aware that her medic ations are causing this. And so it's a false positive . Clayton told me he emailed Laura to let her know this could be a possibility. And less than two hours later, Laura responded . She said she placed a quick call to her doctor and her doctor told her that it's extremely rare to happen at all. And if that were to happen, it would be when someone just started it . Laura was adamant that it wasn't a false positive. She really was pregnant , and it was his . She told him multiple times that she hadn't been with anyone else in over a year . At this point, Clayton is desperate for concrete answers . First, he just needed proof of pregnancy , and the easiest way to get that is with an ultrasound at the doctor's office. We talked about doing an ultrasound so that I could get visual proof that she was in fact pregnant. Laura made an appointment for an ultrasound , but right before the day came , she canceled it. Her sister couldn't make it, and Laura wanted her there. That was the first cancellation . And then she's like, Are we rescheduled for this date? I've seen these messages. Clayton was trying to his best be as flexible with the doctor's appointment as possible . If she was pregnant, this was the only way he could get the confirmation he needed. But Laura changed her mind again and said she didn't want him at the doctor's appointment. My pushback was, okay, well I'll facetime you from the doctor's office . Then, Laura threw a grenade , something that caught Clayton off guard and changed the tone of their entire conversation. She ended up saying, Hey, I'm scared for my safety. I'm going to reschedule it, but I don't want you showing up and potentially harming me. Clayton couldn't believe what she was saying, and he was offended . He was only asking for transparency and real answers. Just a few days before , Laura said she wanted him to be involved. I'm like, Are you kidding me? I've never once threatened you. You know, you're trying to say that you're afraid I'm going to get physical in a doctor's office of all places. In general, I've never put my hands on a woman but I was like, now you're basically stating you're fearful for your safety . It was a red flag, but Clayton was committed to getting an answer from a doctor. That was the right next step . Then it was, no, I don't want you to know like when I'm going at all, so then again it was just excuse after excuse and it was like I need some type of proof and she just wouldn't obligge to anything that I said . The harder he pushed for proof, the more volatile Laura became. You have no idea what was going on behind the scenes and I have all of the receipts to prove it . The back and forth about the ultrasound was only the tip of the iceberg. After she told Clayton she was pregnant, Laura sent him a lot of mixed messages about keeping the baby. Most of them were emails actually . This went on for four months . I decided to take a page out of Clayton's book and asked him if he could show them to me in person. A few days later , I flew to Arizona and was back at Clayton's house. I want to talk about where we left off with this story. You've kind of told me that there was a lot going on from June to let's say September of that year. Can you show me what you're talking about? Oh yeah. Look, I have it all stored here on a drive called the LO file for Laura Owens. Okay. Anytime I' thatve spoken with Laura is all right here . There is a folder pretty much for every single day from June all the way through like the end of October . I cannot stress enough how many messages are in these folders. There are hundreds . Having the receipts is an understatement. Some days there were ten messages, some days there was just one . There was probably less than five times where like there was a day or two where she didn't send anything , but those days were far and few in between. The messages unsettled him so much that he started cataloging them. Here are a few subject lines from those early emails . June twenty fifth went to the abortion clinic. Important, june twenty eighth, having the baby if I don't hear back tonight, july first , the final opportunity to consider abortion . The messages would come in, I would screenshot them, I would put that day's date, and then I'd put it in the folder. I'd put my own responses just so I could have a full track record because I felt I need to have evidence of all of our communications because who knows what she's going to eventually accuse me of . How are you handling that? And how is your mental health doing at this time? Were you trying to work? How do you even go about your day as these keep flooding in? I couldn't help but read them because I had to extract information from them to understand where she was going with her next move , but it was tough because yeah, I'd be at work and I couldn't help but like check my email every hour . It's as if someone tells you that I'm going to send you a message with test results in the next twenty four hours. I'm not sure when it'll come in , but yeah, we can all relate to that. Just waiting, looking at your messages being like, When's this coming through? And the second you hear the ding, you're like, Oh my gosh , this is it. That's how I felt all the time because it was just like, when's this next message coming? And how serious is it going to be? Clayton was on edge . It wasn't just about whether or not she was pregnant . He'd just gone through the hardest year of his life, and felt like the media was hungry for any scandal around him . This would deliver it on a silver platter , and Laura seemed to know that. She even told Clayton that when she was at his apartment to take the pregnancy test, that she'd recorded the entire conversation . She had her phone in her purse and it was recording the entire time . She mentioned that to me as a threat like to say that she was going to go public . Clayton did not want any kind of press about the situation. He decided he could handle it himself . The weeks dragged into months. The whole time, Clayton felt like he was trying to quietly defuse a bomb. Were you fighting this battle alone? Like at this point, had you told anyone in your life what was going on? I really, truly was waking up every day, dealing with this and having nobody help me through because I was ashamed . I saw the emotions that I elicited from my family following the whole bachelor experience and they are the ones that I would bring it to . I took a show that was my mom's favor ite and turned it into a show that she despised, a show that made her sick to her stomach , no matter how much I wanted to have support in this scenario , to me it would have felt selfish to bring them back in. It became clear that these emails had a strong effect on Clayton, and that I'd be at his place for a week if I tried to read every email in one sitting. He was kind enough to share the file with me so I could go through each email carefully. I took the Ello file home with me to start combing through it myself . Some of these emails have never been made public before. That's the thing with Laura's like it kept just getting more intense with every single email . Later, these messages would be introduced as evidence in court. Here's Laura Owens herself, during a court deposition, reading one of the emails she sent Clayton. It occurred to me that you might believe me more about paternity if you were inside of me and felt how tight I was after not having sex in more than a year. Maybe then you'd believe I hadn't been sleeping around . Messages like this stopped me in my tracks. I didn't know what I'd gotten myself into , but I knew I had to keep going. In the moment, it felt like it was going on forever. I didn't think I was going to live . I was terrified . There was no anything inside those eyes. They turned black . It scared the hell out of me. That was your first murder case. Yes, Sir. It's fair to say this was the biggest case of your career. Yes, sir. Rape m theurder of Chung's plug old child as it gets . I would think so . People wake up. 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I feel like my job is listening really, really hard. Listen to Here's the thing on the IHRT radio app le podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts When I started reading the screenshots of messages between Clayton and Laura, I was dumbfounded. After I spent weeks going through each and every message, I decided to meet Clayton again to discuss them. Like I said, some of these have never been made public before. She kept saying in these emails that she has proven time and time again that she's pregnant. She has showed you so much proof. She has sent a dropbox link. Can you tell me what that proof actually was? That was the thing. It's just like, I've sent you all this proof. I'm like, What proof? You've sent me a doctor's note. You've sent me a pregnancy test and I'm like, I think you're trying to convince me you've proven me you have these hard facts, which you don't. Like you keep saying you've shown all the proof, but there's nothing here . It's all just your words . My sister called me at eight weeks pregnant to tell me she was pregnant with a photo of an ultrasound on face time would do, right? Like I mean, it was so simple to prove it , which is concerning that she wouldn't just send you an ultrasound because you were begging for proof in these emails. Yeah, I mean, look, I really did want just something. I was like, either show me something or show me nothing. Like, I'm tired of playing the games. I'm tired of playing like, well, I will, if this, I'm like, no, no, no, no, if this then statements, like just do it or don't. Like, and that's where I was like, it really should be super simple, right? Your doctor that you just saw should be able to take a phone call with me right now . And if I'm the actual father, then it's my right to be able to have this conversation . He's right. And he brings up another important point about if he's actually the father. We'll get to that in a minute . As far as I can see in all their messages , the proof Laura was sending him was mostly in the form of photos and a few videos of herself , like this one where she's standing in her bronzewear, showing her protruded stomach to the camera. I am just trying to show you that I am pregnant and I wanted to do this on video so that you didn't think that I was photoshopping anything in. The video is over four minutes long . She turns from side to side to show him her stomach. Here's the tour . You can see my front. You can see the line there that women get, that pregnant women get I'm starting to get . You can see from here I have a stomach, right? This video came in response to Clayton again asking for proof of her pregnancy. At this point, he'd been asking for over a month. Hope you realize this is all real . The pictures and videos weren't the medical confirmation Clayton wanted, but they did make him question his own certainty . Every time I would see a physical image, it would just like cycle back to maybe there is some truth to this . At first, Laura said she would give him any of the medical confirmation and a say in the decision making if he did something wanted . This one is highlighted and flagged in this folder . I want you to read the highlighted part starting at the bold . Oh my gosh, yeah . I would like to get together tomorrow night to talk and explore intimacy . It's time for you to make an effort if that is something we are considering . Obviously, I would love to have sex in the future and feel like I am the safest person you could have sex with since I'm pregnant . But if you really think that like you said yesterday , my goal was to date and get pregnant during this time . We can absolutely hold off on it . However, it occurred to me that you might believe me more about paternity if you were inside of me and felt held tight I would be after not having sex in more than a year . Maybe then you'd believe I hadn't been sleeping around and again you wouldn't be doing me any big favor. Having sex with me is a privilege and not something I have done for a long time. There's a lot to unpack though. Oh yeah, I mean man, I remember that when that message came through . I had a moment during this conversation with Clayton , where I really couldn't believe this was my job . And this is what I was talking to the former bachelor about. It's also interesting too, where she says it also occurred to me that if you felt how tight I was if you were inside of me . To me, that's signifying that she's saying you hadn't been inside of me before. That was her admitting it, yeah, absolutely. Like she said so much so many times she started to basically trip over her own story. And that was a moment where I go, well, you just admitted to not ever having sex with me because you're saying if only I felt how tight you were meaning, I haven't felt it yet . Were you reading the whole thing? This one is pages long . Yeah, I did read every single line because again, I'm now reading into the mind of somebody to try to understand where my out is. She forecast a lot of times. These were things where I was looking at every sentence being like, Where is she going? And can I get ahead of it before she gets there? But that wasn't always possible because Laura threw some curveballs. There is a dating contract that was sent to me by Laura . Can you what is go back? What's a dating contract? Well, it was new to me. I've never signed one before. This was something she wanted you to sign. Yes. Yes, an official document that she wanted me to sign . It was written in a formal format and it said that if you date me for one week , then I will have an abortion. But if you don't date me, then I'm having the kid. This dating contract has a sixteen point list of demand s. And while it looks like a formal legal document and attempts to use formal legal jargon , it includes highly unusual stipulations like this one, read by a voice actor. For a period of one week while determining the best course of action for their pregnancy , party A and Party B will exclusively explore a relationship with intention, meaning with the goal of it turning into something long lasting and meaningful, and there is no obligation for the relationship to work out beyond the one week. However, if it is apparent that the agreement was entered into for the wrong reasons, evidenced by abuse of any kind,, verbal emotional, or physical . It is null and void . I'm like, I can't believe I'm reading this . Is there any validity to this? Again, it's like you're seeing something for the very first time and you're in disbelief that it's actually something that you're reading. Laura sent this dating contract after she told Clayton she was too scared of him to tell him when the ultrasound appointment was , there's no clear logic to her requests. It's chaos . In the dating contract, she even offered to compensate Clayton with a hundred thousand dollars if he 's proven not to be the father . As I read through the emails, I realized at a certain point, Laura isn't even talking about a baby anymore . For his part, Clayton is just trying to get the mess ages to stop. He replied to Laura's dating contract with a contract of his own , one where he's trying to get her to cease all communication . And you said , This is what I'm willing to offer you since I want to give you grace and an opportunity to let this all go away . And you said, I really think you need to consider this document. And what's in your document very professional, party A, party B. Yeah, I used her language. And basically you have a couple of terms and stipulations on there, but all you wanted her to do was sign that. And you said that upon signature, you cease communication and that you'll keep everything confidential indefinitely. All texts, phone calls, images, emails that have been exchanged between both parties as long as it's signed. Did she sign that? No , no, that was her out . That was her out I was willing to bury all of it up until that point. All of the emotional abuse , all of the manipulation , all of the time wasted , I was willing to bury it all in that moment. And I was giving her an out where I was telling her look, you've messed up . Okay, you've taken this act too far . You know, I already have enough grounds to sue you or at least get you into some trouble , but yet I'm willing to drop it all and just act like it never happens. So just sign this please. Like I really don't want to have to take this any further , can we just be done ? The answer was no . Clayton didn't know it at the time, but this nightmare was only just beginning . He says one of the most uncomfortable parts was when Laura used an abortion as a bargaining chip . It just was so frustrating because I had told her I don't want to have a child with you. So put two and two together 's. pretty It obvious what my stance on this is take the pills and that's it. I just told her one time over and then it was like, well, I'll take them. Well, maybe I'm not going to. Well, if we do this, maybe I will now. I have them again. I threw them away. Now I have them back. Oh, just kind of threw them away. Oh, now I have them back. And I was it was really, really frustrating. At that point I was already just very anxious and stressed . Like, I'm not playing the game with you . He started to notice patterns in her behavior. I mean there's empty threats. There's also the theme of like no response equaling a response. That was another one that surfaced multiple times . Like that subject line that says if I don't hear back I'm having the baby. Yes, there's one right there. And that also feeds into the deadline theme, which is another thing that she would also constantly do is like here's this date. If I don't hear back from you by then, then this will happen. And as time went on , it's like things would escalate. He says he felt trapped. If he did respond, he would be re engaging with someone who was increasing ly erratic . But if he didn't respond, then he'd be missing some fabricated deadline she'd just set. In the back of his mind was that zero point zero one percent chance, that question about what Laura had been doing in the bathroom right after their hookup , the almost impossible chance that she was really pregnant with his baby or pregnant by someone else and trying to pin it on him . Something we haven't talked about yet is the constant legal threats, ultimatums, and handcrafted legal documents Laura was sending him. The documents look official, but they're not. To double down on this, she sent Clayton a PDF of an attorney's fee agreement she'd paid . She added, quote, money truly isn't an object for me. That scared Clayton, because for him, money didn't grow on trees , and the legal threats kept coming. She even alleged consulting a business lawyer for what happened with Clayton and the investment properties he showed her. Her email started coming with threats of police action or legal action In one email, she demands Clayton respond within the hour to avoid her filing a police report against him . Then she claims she's going to go to the police to report him for domestic violence . I need to say , Clayton vehemently denies that he was ever physically abusive . In fact, he says he hadn't seen her in person since she came to his place to take the pregnancy test. I asked him about this threat directly . I want to know more about this threat to report you for domestic violence. You weren't seeing her in person, so where did this even come from? I believe she was claiming it was emotional abuse . She obviously knew I never put' myd hands on her. So she was like, yeah, I'm gonna file this. It's like there's no way for what? There's literally nothing I've done. There's even a legal waiver at the bottom of an email stating if after proof of opening is obtained , I choose not to respond to this email , I am confirming that its content is true. This includes my acknowledgement of paternity . How would she have proof of the email being opened? She put mail trackers with read receipts on all of her emails. I didn't know that until later on and I'm like, Damn it, she has a read receipt on. That's why. Then on august first , after almost two months of back and forth, Laura went all in. She filed a petition to establish paternity in the Maricopa County Superior Court. That filing made their dispute a matter of the public record. This was the very thing Clayton had been trying desperately to avoid. He felt like the bomb was about to detonate in his hands. At that point, I was like, Damn it, how do I respond? I don't know. I don't know how to go to court and respond to this. So I ended up calling a family law company that I googled and I said, look, I just need you to help me file this on my behalf. So I paid five hundred dollars for an hour and they gave me the response and then I carried that to the courthouse and submitted it. Clayton submitted his response to her petition to establish paternity a few weeks later, stating Laura was making up the entire claim . I decided in that moment to just go with it. And I figured, hey, like show me the evidence. Why can't you show me that you're pregnant? It still felt like a gamble, but Clayton decided to take the chance and say on the record that he believed Laura was fabricating the pregnancy. I said, Hey, I'm put going to all my chips on black . And if I am right , then great . If I'm wrong , then I will actively destroy my own reputation. After months, he hadn't seen any medical proof. He was done giving her any benefit of the doubt, and he adopted a new tactic. I was just now trying to play her game better than she was playing it. That turned out to be a grave miscalculation because Laura was always one step ahead. She said something along the lines of , hey, just so you know , the twin gene runs in my family In the moment, it felt like it was going on forever. I didn't think I was going to live . I was terrified There was no anything inside those eyes. They turned black . It scared the hell out of me. That was your first murder case. Yes, Your Honor. It's fair to say this was the biggest case of your career ? Yes, sir. Rape the murder of a chunk of twelve year old child. Bad as he gets. I would think so. People wake up. I'm the one that saw the murder take place by Creme and DePiopp. Anthony DePippo showed no signs of remorse , appearing unfazed after being sentenced to the maximum. I said I'm not guilty, I'll take it to the grave. Listen to the Devil's Quarry on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts , and to hear the Devil's Quarry ad free with exclusive content , subscribe to Laba for good plus on Apple podcasts. Hey, I'm Hota Katby host of the podcast Joy, one hundred one with Hodac y. Okay, if you know me, you know this. I'm always searching for inspiration, for support and useful tools to help maximize joy. So this podcast lets us uncover all that of . We're gonna have these meaningful conversations with the world's most fascinating people , like when actress Olivia Munn shared how she overcame fierce health challenges that she never saw coming. I've gone through breast cancer and helped my mother through breast cancer, and that was more difficult. 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I feel like my job is l istening really, really hard . Listen to Hear's The Thing on the I Heart Radio App Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts After two months of back and forth with Laura Owens, Clayton opened the door to a police officer. He'd been served. It was a paternity claim filed by Laura . But at this point, Clayton hadn't seen any medical proof of the pregnancy . He was done humoring her. She successfully served me the papers . I end uped like talking to somebody close to me and said, Well, I'm just gonna throw them away. They said, You can't do that. Like, if you throw these papers away, the judge will submit a default judgment. And they'll likely assume it's truthful. So I was like, really, so I Google it, sure enough, it's like, yeah, if you don't show up, they're going to basically assume you're the guilty party and they'll rule in favor of the one that served the papers . I decided to reach out to family law attorneys in Arizona to understand the legal process for establishing paternity there. They told me and I was surprised by this you don't have to provide medical proof of a pregnancy to file a paternity claim . In Arizona, the only requirement is signing an affidavit stating that you're pregnant. Paternity is then proved either by agreement of the parties or by DNA confirmation . But in the legal system , it is generally the burden of the father to take the lead and establish paternity so that rights can be confirmed . Some men will file that action during a pregnancy, but it usually happens after birth . In this case, Laura signed the affidav id ass,erting she was pregnant , she began taking measures to legally establish the pregnancy and the baby's father while she was still in the first trimester. It's usually never done that way . Before this point, Clayton had been more concerned about finding out if she was really pregnant , but now he was legally and financially implicated in a paternity claim. So that brought up a new question . If she was pregnant, was he the father Then Laura doubled down, literally. She said something along the lines of she has the twin gene and her family, so I knew again, she always would prep something. Like she warms you up to the idea of it. So she warmed me up to the idea of the twins, where she said, Hey, just so you know the twin gene runs my family . Clayton had a hunch about what Laura was going to say next . Within a few weeks, she followed through and told him she was not only pregnant, she was pregnant with twins . I think part of it was overwhelmed, right? Like to scare a man into being like, Oh, hey, by the way, it's not just one, it's two. That's double the responsibility, but that wasn't the fear for me. I'm like, the whole fear behind this is, first off, I don't believe you , but if by chance you actually got pregnant , I'm not afraid of how many kids. I'm afraid of you. Clayton wanted to take the paternity test right away so he could prove that he wasn't the father . So as she states there's twins , she's like, there's not a testing facility that will test on twins. I've looked and they won't do it because there's potential for the children to have separate f athers . I'm like, You can't be serious. It's true that a lot of prenatal paternity testing companies won't test when there's twins . There's a remote possibility of two fathers . By this point, Clayton found it difficult to believe anything Laura said , and he wasn't about to just take her word for it. So I Google it. I basically typed in like maternity testing for twins. And boom, Rabjin pops up. And I reached out to them and they said, Yeah, yeah, we test some twins. And I said, Well, what about the chance if there's like two separate fathers? They're like, yeah, that hardly ever happens. They're like, And we can basically compare the DNA that we get, and it's really easy to match it to yours if it is yours indeed . So, Clayton messaged Laura to tell her the good news. And she sends back , that's incredible. That's awesome. I would love to schedule it. You might be able to guess what happens next . And then she goes, You know, I don't think I really need to do this. I already know you're the father. I haven't been with anybody else, so I'm not gonna do it. I'm not going to waste my money. I've seen these email exchanges about the paternity test. Clayton offers to pay for the whole thing himself. Then, the emails get messy . It's a constant back and forth about who was scheduling or canceling the appointments with RABJ . Eventually, they both took the test, but we'll dive into those details later .