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I'm of course getting married to it says here the loveo of my life in a few days. So we will be off next week but I want to make sure what it says hereays here here. That was funny. I thought it was funny. So make some edits? So we will be off next week, but before we go, I want to make sure I caught up with my work husbands and wives before the summer kicks off. So in this episode, I am joined by Lover or Leave it wrriters, Hy Keefer and Sarah Lazarus, who are here to answer questions from our loyal friends of the Pod. I'm also told There will be jokes at my expense, which is so unlike the two of them Shocking to hear I hope everything's okay. But first, I'm joined by my pal, Tim Miller of the Bullwork. We ran through some of the biggest stories of the week, including this brand new DOJ slush F that frankly shocks the conscience. All right, I'm here with the Bullworks Tim Miller Tim, It's good to see y you It's good to see you. Somebody told me that on Pod saave America You announced that you wanted to join the Bulwark, which I appreciate. I haven't listened to it yet because you know, I'm not really a weekly listener of Podsave America. But the word is out that you said that. I'll tell you what happened. I don't want to know any more details actually. I just want to welcome you. Well thanks for having me. Well, I'll tell you the details anyway. We were talking about Tina Peters, the woman that Uh Colorado Governor Jared Polis. She muted the sentence up. She had been convicted for her involvement as a government official in facilitating the twenty twenty election lies by Donald Trump. Donald Trump demanded her release if you went to Tina Peters Twitter feed even just before her sentence was commuted, her allies were saying that Trump should invade Colorado if Polis does not free Tina Peters And I was surprised to find that my two pods H of America hose, Tommy's view was that he couldn't get his Irish up about this topic and and John said he thought that Jared Polis made a good decision because she was a first time nonviolent offender and they had their arguments and I heard them and I understand them and there's some nuance to it. but I thought, what What am I doing here I got to go join the the people with the pitchfks. Over the bulw because because as far as I concerned, lock her up You'd always be welcome, but maybe we should just do a trade then because I took the fabroro position. Everyone else was on your side. Well, John Everyone else was on your side though. So a trade would be appropriate. You'd have to work every day then, because I do the podcast daily, and then I could only work the two days Yeah, but we're We're in the quality business over here at Pod. Let me know if you're interesting. Well, listen, enough chit chat, enough banter. We've got news to get through, Tim. I'll think about it. I'll think about it. It's an interesting trade. I think they'd probably want me plus somebody else, I think for you first run traffic or something. But anyway, a lot going on Weembley. just u Webby, Webby We Webby Wemby. Oh, yeah, Wby boy, really sinking them from downtown. Okay, here we go. I was chilled to say that. It was a long ball. Yeah, it was like a thirty footer It was unbelievable. It was unbelievable like an aliot. From downtown. was amazing things. From downtown It was a big shot to downtown Uh but speaking of people just throwing out Hail Mary'. this week, the Trump administration decided they're just that they're just going to go ahead and steal money from the treasury and give it to their friends first up attorney general though he' not acting much like an attorney genereral is Toddlanch That was the case was dismissed by the judge last night. Yeah, because you moved to create this fund. I didn't move. I did not move. The set't result mister attttorney General. C on So let me let me so you're not going to you're not going to submit this proposal to any federal judge or indepe There is no judge. Any independent authority? that independent What does that mean an independent authority? He's not somebody who's getting to pick five of the members who is the president's former personal attorney somebody who would be indepeent I'm the acting attorney general, Okay. The fact that I used to be President Trump's lawyer. is just a fact, but I'm the acting attorney genereral. So don't say the president's former personal lawyer will do something. The acting A attorney genereral will do something. mister attorney genereral, you are acting today like the president's personal attorney. And that's the whole problem. You've got his whole you have a whole banner of his face hanging over the Department of Justice and you and everybody else walks under it. Nice little moment for man, Chrisman Hoand there. Tim What is age? As Van Hall can we throw him in the twenty twenty eight mix? Is he young enough I don't know, but he just got a little uh speculation boner just from the from this traveling through the Eether. What do you make of Todd Blanche saying how dare you sir accuse me of being Trump's former personal attorney when I am the acting attorney G genereral of the States? Yeah, I think the lady Doth forest too much on it for sure with Todd Blanche I don't know, I've been working around something on this. loveove it. I'm interested to hear your take on it Because it's so outrageous that it's kind of like It's hard to even find the words for this idea that Donald Trump could tend like he had emotional distress over something and then of his own attorney general give him a slush fund of one point eight billion dollars that he gets to hand out to his friends without any oversight, without any knowledge It feels like wrong to say unprecedented We say unprecedented a lot, it feels like it's like Uber unprecedented. We We need a German word. Yeah, to suggest it's unprecedented implies in the same way that like You know, when you break a record at the marathon,'ve you've achieved something that it could have been a precedent. The people had thought about it before. I This was a whole new thing that they just invented And I think the right thing to do is just to call it what it is, which is reparations for whites. It's reparations for MGa whites. That's what this is. And I think that would be a very unpopular thing to campaign on You know, which is like the people have been mean to my supporters in the media And, you know, they They were targeted after they charged the capitol and we didn't like that And, you know, they were treated unfairly. They need reparations. So we need reparations for whites and the taxpayers should pay for it That's what it is And I feel like if it was pitched that way, it would have, you know, like an eight percent approval probably. I don' I don't think that would be very popular But maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. The idea of just whatever you call it, that we're at the point where Trump believes he can get away with Taking one point seven seven six billion dollars from the treasury and handanding it over to a star chamber of his buddies to give out to insurrectionists or whoever he decides. We may never know who those people are. They seem to want to try to keep it under wraps. Some child rapists, probably. I quite a few of the people who have beenardoned turned out to be child rapists. probably a couple of them will get some How did we get to this point, right? Like Donald Trump would not have tried this in his first term. it's so ridiculous and beyond the pale. And there would have been, I think, outrage even from some Republicans had this happened in the first term. mayaybe even had this happened at the beginning of this term But at every step of the way I think even Donald Trump has been surprised by how little resistance he's facing. And so it took a lot of failures to get to the point where he thought he could get away with this. It's pretty extraordinary, right? The fact that there are members of the United States Senate who said that Donald Trump T permanently stained his reputation because of january sixth that it was sort of a terrible and important part of his legacy, that they had lost them because of what Trump did on january sixth. We have now come full circle to the point where these are people refusing to criticize Trump for stealing money from the taxpayers to pay potential insurrectionists. And imagine waking up on january seventh and having you know the ghost of Mga future coming to you and saying not only will Trump win again Not only will the people that beat up the cops be pardoned But there will be a fund honoring them as patriots and they will receive a taxpayer payout of one point eight billion dollars. It would have been hard to even process that that was possible. I would have been very scary. I probably would have gone underground or, you know to Uruguay or something if you told me that was happening because it would think augers pretty concerningly about the other things that are happening in the country. But like if you said that to any of those people you' talking about, C have you said that to John Thn L that this is what's going to happen and you will support it. They high minded. You would have gotten high and hy Actions L like, o, you have TDS. Like this is crazy. I do not support the cop attackers. We back the blue in this party. We would never do that. We would never do something like that. They would have said you were crazy They would have said that that's ridiculous. They would not believe that they could be that person, right? Like I likeike I think that they' they wouldn't even be lying. L I think they would have sincerely believed that that was as inconceivable to us then as it would have been to them then. right? But that's how like Trump has slowly marched these people further and further from integrity. And I think like even they would be surprised by the people they've become. And like, yes, Todd Blanche is responsible, right? He is auditioning for atttorney General and he is even more craven than Pam Bondi if that's you or at least tied for first. Congressional majorities are often held responsible for the actions of the president, sometimes fairly sometimes unfairly. They're often held responsible for the economic conditions, sometimes fairly, sometimes unfairly. I don't think in our lives that there has been a Congress more deserving of being held accountable for the president than this Congress. Like this Congress is responsible for enabling so much of what Trump has been able to do. And the fact that he is willing to do this kind of a fund speaks to just how urgent it is to kick these Republicans out And the Congress hasn't done anything this year So yeah, like they don't even have their own agenda. L it's crazy Speaking of members of Congress defending the indndefensible, here we have Ted Cruz being cornered by of course, TMZ Do you think violent, convicted and then pardoned january sixth rioters, do you think they should be eligible for this sort of slash fund? You were not remotely concerned when Joe Biden weaponized the Department of Justice. Gotcha to go after his political opponents. Trump was indicted not once four separate times. Ga got greatest abuse Oh The rule of law in you think january sixth Riders should be eligible for this money? I believe people who engage in act of violence should be prosecuted and face consequences. I believe people who engage in peaceful protests are protected under the First Amendment. I wrote an entire book on this entitled Justice Corrupt How the L I answer my question. And why are you not concerned about the abuse of? Because I'm concerned about this today. todayod I know you're concerned about So you won't answer the question.gends nogenda. Are you going to answer the question, sir? I have answered You didn't. just not cons. Do you think the January sixth riders are eligible for the slash fund Thanks, T. Loving that TMZ energy. saying like TMZ is like politically motivated. likeike, okay, man, it's TMZ. likeike they're just they're just as that was great. That was great. I appreciate it that They're click house. They just want the good They just want the goods. I don't care who it is. Ted announcing his pitch in his book though And if we argument is great as figure skating judges and what he did there was absolutely appalling and offensive and like hypocritical. L for years, Ted Cruz has been high and mighty about you know, fraud, wasted abuse and protecting the tax dollar and balanc so and he's a total hypocrite and phony amidst the walk beinging shouted at by TMZ, having people around you, having to defend the indefensible, being able to sneak in a book plug It was good. It looks like a quadruple axle. I think he did a good job. I agree. something for that. I agree. He pivot. He also did say in there that he believes people that commit violence should be prosecuted. so shhout out for That statement of I don't know old school I can't defend it. I don't know. Mimum minimum minimum think fucking bullshit like lowest bar possible. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of loveove it or Leave it coming up Thanks to HomeServe for sponsoring this episode. You protect your health, your car, even your phone, but what about your home? It's probably your biggest investment. and when things go wrong, the cost can hit hard and fast. 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And what we have is the roof is dead flat with absolutely nothing but strength on it and it's very strong steel. It's drone proof and it's meant for our military to be able to stay on it, you get a view of Washington. This is all My money and donors' money. This is tax free. every we're talking about they're going to give money, they're going to give money. The money they're going to give is really for the security of that and the whole White House. What happened a couple of weeks ago at the White House correspondence said it could not happen here. One thing that we have is we don't have people living above it. Great classical buildings taken out of different parts of the world from very glamorous times This is Rome. they like the flat room. Greece likes the they call it the triangles. And you see that. I didn't see that. Greece they call it the triangles That's Greece. they call it the triangles So he's doing now briefings outside of the construction site. for the ball room. It will have a beautiful flat roof for military That's exciting, don't you think and a fancy bunker Mhm. And u I think he was joking, but it's been really hard to get out of my head a post that Chris Hayes shared about whether It feels like to him that Trump is building this that he can live there forever And I don't know. I mean, he definitely seemed like he did not like the accommodations when he went and hid in the bunker during the Black Lives Matter protests Um, you know, I don't I don't think the furnishings were to his liking, was a little dank. And now he's building himself like an ADU on the White House where he can like live in the bunker and the, you know, it would have a nice view from the roof wheelchair accessible ball room for his parties. They'll be in the haunted East wing yet another unperermitted ADU Uh in the District of Columbia u didn't bother going to the permitting. It is strange, right? that he is so focused on the ballroom in this place with the bunker. He doesn't seem to be behaving like a renter. which is alarming ough he is quite old. You know, what have you made It's going to be done in twenty twenty eight, alleged Right Right. I don't know about you. I don't know if you've done any engagement any projects around the house Things tend to not happen on schedule And so you know, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that wants to build something fancy for the next person, particularly if it's not a Republican and they're going to You know, name at the George Floyd Memorial Ballroom or whatever. and so, you know, so the It's just eyebrow raising is all. I don't know. The focus on the monuments and the buildings and the territorial expansion to the exclusion of all else stories this week about how they're still menacing Greenland that he wants to make Venezuela the fifty first sties He's threatening Cuba L he has this idea the legacy he wants to they're painting the reflecting pool they're building that new arch that he wants to build. and he's very focused on these on these legacy items. So that I say that I don't like to be optimistic that he just vs this as yet another monument that he's like permanently altering the face of the White House and of the district Columbia man, the amount of his day that is spent on this is like pretty extraordinary. Like it really is like like a big part of what he's focused on all the time. It's all he wants to talk about. A friend of mine was saying that he was prepping leaders for meetings with Trump And he said that if you ever feel like you're stuck asked to see the patio the new Rose Garden patio and somebody used it and it totally worked. likeike they're in this tense moment. He goes like,oy, you've done a beautif job with the pati. go like, come see the patio and he getes everybody on a tour of the fucking patio. So some of this, I do think is a little bit like There's nothing deeper going on. likeike why does he want to show people the thing? likeike why does a kid want to show you his the Legos he built. It's not you know, it's not because he's a dictator.s because he's really proud of the fact that the thing is a of the space shuttle they made, you know? Yeah I mean, that is a generous interpretation. And you know, to get at a deeper psychological level, it's just feels like something he can control. Yeah. You know he doesn't have control over the fact that he's ruining the country and he can't keep the straight of Horm mooz open and that You know, people don't like him, but he can He can control his little home renovation And so That's where he'd like to focus his mind. Speaking of his mind, where are you on the discourse this week about Trump and his age and whether Democrats are failing to make enough of an issue of it? I'm a little tort on it. I think that it's good to talk about. I think that a lot of times when Democrats talk about, I think one of the weaknesses Democrats when they talk about it, but mostly like their critics when they're demanding Democrats talk about it is they're always talking about it in like a meta sense. you know. It's like, people should talk about this shouldn't they, you know, O wouldn't it be more fair if they talked about this given the treatment of Joe Biden? know And And like that is not very convincing, right? Like if this is true or if it's believable, what's more convincing is that You know, somebody who is visibly deteriorating physically is embroiled in a hot war And he might decide to do something crazy and the more his facultty is diminished, the more likelihood he can do something very damaging and that's concerning. And you know, I think that could resonate with people. He doesn't have his a hand on the teller So I don't know. I think objectively I was re watchatching a twenty sixteen speech of his today, and he does look different. Yes. I mean like he has deteriorated. Like there was a period of time where I thought that kind of it was a little bit of wish casting, right? where it's sort of like Trump has always been crazy kind of and like old and weird and didn't like speak in complete sentences, even when he was young So You know, there was a period time when I was kind of like, I do think this is a category difference from what we saw with Biden I think if you go watch him from the twenty sixteen campaign and now, like there's no doubt he's going downhill. Yes, for sure. And it is, it's hard, right? It's different than Biden, right? becausecause Biden withered and shrunk and got quiet and withdrew from. public eye did fewer events And it was just sort of a different kind of aging Trump. If you go back and watch twenty sixteen versus now. He's kind of become this sort of Grand Guignal version of himself, this higher arch more dramatic version that kind of conceals the decline a little bit, right? It's all bigger. And so some of it is just he no longer has breaks on, right? It's just's he no longer feels like he has to perform as a normal politician or kind of hide the worst elements of himself. even the fact that he's doubling down on saying he doesn't care about GA. right? Like he just he doesn't feel the urge to try to impress anybody or like the kinds of normals he used to think he had to kind of do an impression of a politician for. So part of it is that, but what I see with him reminds me of other people that I've seen age, which is, you know, everybody's mind wanders a little bit, especially as they get older, but it's a little bit like these thoughts are rolling down the side of a hill And It used to be that like, yeah, there he's rolling a while, but then he grabs a branch And he can hang there for a bit Now he's just kind of going down. He's he can never get purchased. He never, he never like the claws never hook into the side of the mountain. He just kind of rolls and rolls and rolls and rolls, which is different than what it was like before. But the comparisons to Biden, I all find's all to your point, it is all very like meta. and there's something about Democratic pundits and of talkers versus Republicans, which is Democratic intellectuals view themselves as captains and Republicans view themselves as soldiers. And so Democrats say, why won't Democrats talk about Biden's age? But Republican operatives don't say, why aren't Republicans talk about Biden and the border? They say, look at the fucking border. Oh my god, the fucking border. and they kind of like they They say donon't do as I say, do as I do kind of a thing. And we just are we like by the way, I'm part of this problem. L we like on the Democratic side the kind of prorogressives and liberals like we put on our white gloves to type our little fucking missives, but we don't want to get our hands in the muck. And I guess I'd just say on on the narrowest part of your question, which is think that Democrats should talk more about his age I kind of think the answer is no, actually. I think that that's motivated by this like bitterness that some people feel about the Biden situation or regret or whatever, or anger about how he was treated and like that's all fine for people to have their feelings, but like What Trump is vulnerable on right now is that he got us into the stupidest war imaginable and it's causing economic harm to people while he's enriching himself and his buddies. Yes. And so like And that is a thing to be actually mad about by the way, not to be like mad about as a bank shot. likeike I'm mad about this because it feels unfair because of the treatment of somebody else five years ago, right? Like you can just be acutely mad and people are, I am about the war itself, the economic conditions themselves, the stealing itself and the corruption itself And so to me, that's more potent. Yes, I think that's right. And In of ours, once Joe Joe Biden wasn't on the ballot, why did Joe Biden's age matter? It mattered because it came to be a symbol of the ways Democrats were unreliable ess didn't care about the country's problems,t weren't willing to be honest about what they saw with their own eyes. and that That got tagged. Kamala got tagged with that. other Democrats got tagged with that Donald Trump's age is an issue we should be making part of the midterm elections. It has to be because of some things Republicans that are running did or didn't do. And if it is so clear to people. that Trump's age is a huge liability that Republicans are afraid to be honest about, then they should be getting questions about it, right? Why won't you tell the truth about his age? Areren't you worried about the fact that he is erratic and losing step and maybe do something crazy and dangerous, right? Like I can see it becoming a factor, but you have to do two moves The age has to be so pervasive as a problem and then it has to be something that Republicans aren't willing to be honest about. And like just sorry, guys, we're not there. Joe Biden and Donald Trump are not the same people and the way they're aging looks different. And Donald Trump is in our faces every fucking day. Do press conferences and being his erratic self, yes, it's worse than it was. Yes, he's in decline. But if you're just tuning in, he's the most accessible kind of active, quote unquote, active president we've literally ever had. So it's a little bit of a different situation. Sorry to tell you that I'm sorry you're mad about twenty twenty in twenty twenty four, but that's the truth. He does have the long blinks. Yeah. The long, ten second blinks But I'll tell you something You know what? you know what? age is great, Tim I'll tell you Every time you and I have a conversation, it's just a great It's just a great everlasting experience for the viewers. Thank you being part of this very special episode of Love it or Le it. We're kind of Benjamin Buttonning actually? Absolutely. Absolutely. Maybe that's why we're a little bit out of touch with these kind of concerns. Yeah. Yeah, because we're just getting younger we're just getting younger and hotter That's our move You know . Thank you, Tim Miller for joining. You can check out Tim on the Bllwark and you can watch Speech Center on YouTube. That's where Tim and I break down speeches. We you know, we great on style, We great on substance. It's a great time. That's on the Lover Lelave YouTube channel. Hey, don't go anywhere. 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All right, I'm going to give you topics and you tell me what what topic you'd like a question from. Okay. We have elections. We have wedding slash relationship stuff. We have general lollly and random Let Let's do an election, a wedding and a random. Great. Okay. Queen Samuel says it's looking like the best option for a congressional candidate in their district is a billionaire. How do you feel about voting for billionaires these days So I actually talkaled to Tom Steyer for Poditive America and I pushed him on this. L obviously peopleeople being able to use their own money to buy influence and buy access to the airwaves to tell whatever story they want. It's not less pernicious than people having to raise money from billionaires. It's the same problem, which is having a lot of money gives you more democratic power than it should. They just cut out the middle man. Right. They're cut out the middle Man. Now That said, like to me You have to assess a candidate. on the merits. like the fact that there are Billionaires having huge impact on our politics up to and including running for office is like a big systemic problem. But in any one race, you have to evaluate the candidates. Like I'm considering voting for Tom Steyer. The fact that he's been able to spend one hundred twenty million dollars or more on ads is a real mark against the system and it's a worrying sign for that kind of politics, but he still may be a better governor than some of the other people. So to me, it's like, how do we address the deeper problems in the system both a tax code that allows people to protect huge amounts of wealth and then also a system of economic power in which people are able to accrue this money in the first place That's how I feel about it. L I think you still have to evaluate candidates on the merits and see what they actually stand for and whether you believe they do it. I don't know what else to do My question is when you push Tom Styer on something, do a bunch of coins fall out Well, so you gott to hold him up by the Oh Yeah sure. shake shake over like a longer. Gotta de boon? God, you're rich And then you bite to make suret it's real gold Yeah, I just feel like I've similarly, it's like, u I certainly wouldn't not vote for someone just because they're a billionaire. but it's unfortunate that that's even a question that we have to answer. But these are sort of I don't mean like it's too late, but it is too late. It is much to say we have a system where billionaires can exist. It's just down river from the problem. Yeah. And like we on the Democratic side talk a lot about the way that use the tax code to resolve it and we should, like we should tax people We do a terrible job of taxing wealth. There's all kinds of ways in which billionaires can pass on their money. The state tax has been raised to ridiculous like high numbers before it hits. pass on vast sums without them ever paying capital gain tax, all kinds of problems like that. But long before you get there How is the system rigged so that all the ways in which a person can't possibly make that kind of money on their own is able to reap so much of a share of the reward to such a huge degree compared to all the other people in the chain that made that wealth possible book. People inside their company, people that are paving the roads, people that are protecting intellectual property and all the other ways in which a person can't just accrue that money without a system that works for them so.. I'm going to ask another election question because I'm in charge of the segments and I love this is I think this is one that we've kind of talked about in the office Fr Montgovern re the election season, other than knowing enough to vote intelligently, thoughts about the idea that stalking the news is a spectator sport and doesn't change anything except endangering our own mental wellbeing. What's the right level of engagement when so much feels toxic So And we get a version of this question all the time. And first of all I would say There's a lot of different ways to be consuming a lot of news. I think that if you are refreshing feeds that are made for you, that take you through little bits of stories over and over again that kind of you skitter across the surface of like a lava lake, you know, all the time, just sort of just dipping little toes into into the evil over and over and over again. Like I think that's very bad for your brain. That said, like if you want to keep up with what's happening and consume good information and that helps you both understand what's happening, make sense of it. and by the way, like be an advocate. with your friends and your family, you know, we are leararning more and more about just how hard it is to reach people, right? People are not consuming news. All the ways in which news organically reached people are going away. So people are getting a lot through their feeds, which they're not totally in command of. And door knocking hopefully still works. Calling people doesn't work like it used to, texting people doesn't work like it used to. Our phones are all filled with like spam. So it turns out like relational organizing, which is person to person and people in your life is going to matter more and more in which point being an engaged and informed person and learning what's going on, having answers to people's questions is really valuable. So unfortunately, I do think If you are hyper engaged, very engaged, like as long as you're able to do it while protect your mental health, I do honestly think that there's value in it because you are going to be as important a source of information for people as the news used to be. But that said, How much is too much? Well, how do you feel? you know, You can turn it off for a bit. You won't go to jail. Yeah, go for a walk sometimes. Yeah Yeah, I agree. I feel like sort of reading little bits of news is sort of how we write jokes. So I feel like this past year was really difficult just because that's the intention of like flood the zone. Like that it was by design that it's really difficult to like wrap your mind around all these things. And I would say I'm very grateful forking like working here, I was able to like immediately go talk to people, either people onlonely team or outside of it and sort of like get context through these things That being said, I do feel like this question is framed by someone who already has decided that they're not going to read the news. And I think to your point is like, I do think we have to know. And I have friends who are not tempted to the news and they have said to me like, willill you let me know what I need to care about this? And I'm like, I have terrible news You have to care about all this. Like whatever, but also I do think it's like What are your topics that you can be informed on? Like you read about this. You read the data centers, you tellld me about it. I'll read about other things. I'll tell you about it And that's really the only way we can manage it. Like we can't all be experts on every topic. But I do think it's like the time at which that we cannot engage has passed. And so we all to engage and to your point, like it's just easier than to talk to one another and like not feel totally isolated by it. Totally. but I will just it's not just about quantity. like If you spend an hour, reading seven articles, that is a better use of time than spending two hours or three hours scrolling. don't I sometimes think we, I myself applies to me too. like I fool myself into believing I've caught up on the news sometimes. and and because I have the rhythm of preparing for these shows, I realize like, oh, actually, you know what I just read three headlines and I need to click in. and Like there is also, by the way, I think it's better for your mental health too. L I think when you kind of get more details and more information, there's something about the perfect minimal amount of information that comes from a headline and maybe one or two lines in a summary that is leads to the most anxiety possible So just you click the links You do starting to understand how things connect to you. It's less of like noise from every angle and we're like, this is maybe two big stories as opposed to sixteen. Yeah, that's true too. That's a good point Moving on, we have some wedding questions. M Waton wait, Matson, M Miss Watson wants to know what wedding tradition are you most excited to totally fuck off and not use for your impending nuptials? Conversely, what is the most traditional thing about your glorious upcoming union? What an interesting question. So we really struggled with this you don't Guy Brandam who is a friend of the show. He said this to me when we got engaged and it stuck with me the whole time, which is Oh wow, like you're part of this, you know, real first generation of non straight weddings, you're going to help figure out what the new traditions are And you imediately start sweating We so much pressure. and I feel like What what we've been trying to do is okay Like there are these traditions. Don't just dismiss them to do something different, but don't embrace them unless they can have some meaning for you. and find or find somewhere in between where you're taking a tradition and adapting it to find the meaning in it. And actually I We're doing some goofy shit at this wedding. w. I like when people mix it up. I like it feels unique to people and it doesn't feel like, oh, this what this is what one of your mothers wanted. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well there's very little, I think we really tried to kind of put our take on it and like I wanted our wedding to be funny ' we're funny and I wanted it to be silly because we're silly. And at the same time, like I especially as I get older, I think There's a hubris in ing as if traditions don't have value, and I think that there's something about marriage and weddings in particular that You have to, you can't get married ironically. you shouldn't And I think there's something about the tradition. very funny to watch someone try. but like but that can you believe it? Like like why Like why are you doing this in front of everybody? Like why are you making a spectacle? L what is the value of that and really thinking about that was important. So anyway You are doing a first dance with your father? Yeah, first dance with the father's We're swig dancing, right? Well, like listen, it's also like, you know Part of this is there's no word halfway between husband and wife, your spouse, but that's like from a form Who do you dance with? whoo do you non dance with? There's like something also about like I would love for you to all dance together. the first go The family dance. That's cute. But Okay so do that. Yeah, we'll do that. But anyway, but it's been fun to think about Cute This is a more broad relationship one I think it's an interesting question. Lazers would love your thoughts as well. This is from Gabby. addvice ask and marriage forewarning for loveove it My husband loves starting a project, but we are five months into our two week bathroom update after a year long quick finishing of the garage What is too long of a time frrame to live with house projects and how would you tell your partner to get their shit together? Wow Sorry want take this one I know I feel like if someone was updating my bathroom for me, I would never tell them you're taking too long Yeah, how how in disarray is the bathroom during the upke. Because it's like, oh no, the We have wallpaper samples or something. That's fine. If it's like the toilet' been removed, there's just a whole. that's different conversation. Yeah Yeah, it sort of old style, an old style pooping situation. you just do it into that kind of ho. Coopid old style. Beause last week's show we did reference the film, Mr. Baseball, starring Tom Selek I would say we somebody did. We're not complicit. So in the film, Mr. Baseball there was a scene in which he sees an old school, like Japanese style toilet, which is when it's like kind of the wholeo in the ground, that kind of older style And apparently he said in the trailer something like somebody like, it's not like I'm going to need somebody to tell me to how to go to the bathroom. And then they cut to him and he's like, how do I go to the bathroom? But apparently they edited it because it doesn't really make sense. because he would certainly know how to pee in a hole. And so they literally dubed it or changed it somehow soays it's not like I'm gonna to have to ask how to take a crap Because I must have been in the testing P peopleople were like, Why doesn't even know how a p ando hole? Everybody knows how to p andole. So then he goes like, Wh do I take a crap in here That's a story about the film, Mr. Patall. Did you recently watch the movie? N, I just did a lot of research Oh, okay, great. I want to understand I want to understand the context of mr. Baseball. Oh you know, look, sounds like your husband has un unmedicated AH. Yeah I was going to say if this is my problem and my spouse confrontting me about it, I would say, you know what, you're abolutely right So I think hopefully you'll be able to speak to your spouse, both the writer and the listeners in a way to be like, hey, I think we got to wrap this up. And then I do think then you do you can help them take it on to finish it. You can help someone across the finish line That's nice. I guess it just depends, like, are they busy with other stuff? Are they indecisive? It seems like this could be a lot of different problems. Yeah. Right. I mean, you know you got to finish the project. I will say that you never truly, you never finish moving in. No one ever finishes moving in. You have to decide there's either a closet or a room or an act or something that never gets done and that's important. I actually think that's something about life itself. like there's the drawer that'silled with the things you didn't unpack. There's the closet that has three boxes you never deal with. like there's a picture frame in against a wall behind a door. L you should never finish. That's important. I think there's something good in that Leave that toilet. I a different room Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love it or Leave it coming up Lo it or leave it brought you by Quince. the warm weather is here. so it's time to change up your wardrobe. Quince has you covered for all the high quality pieces to upgrade your closet at a shockingly great price. We're talking one hundred percent European linen shorts and shirts starting at thirty four dollars and one hundred percent Pimac con teas with a softness that you simply need to feel belieelve their pants hit that same balance relax and comfortable but still polished pretty much anywhere. 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Last year, twenty five hundred people joined us at Croked Con for conversations with some of the smartest organizers, least annoying politicians, and most interesting voices in politics talk about how to fix this mess. Even President Obama made a surprise appearance. We're doing it all again november fifth to seventh in Washington DC with even more podcasts, panels and workshops. Plus there'll be drinks, which we'll need after the midterms, no matter which way they go. Get tickets at crookedcon. com. If you're a friend of the pod, you get a discount too. seeee you there Allrighty, we're going now to the random section is from Greed. I' say how random. Totally random. Totally random. Given the chance to be magically present at a culturally significant point in history, which one would you pick? For me, obviously the crucifixion of Christ. I've been like, well, it I've certainly heard enough about it. Obviously. Everything else would pale in comparison And I guess I could do the birth of Christ, but I that's just a baby. Yeah. I see a baby.s that's just the baby that they're not letting inside.ight Yeahah.'s a baby barn in there. This is the barn. It was a baby of the barn overver it. What about you? Let's think about that way. This is culturally significant, which I think it's very broad. Well like any kind of we don't know about the insignificant cultural moments. You're right, That's kind of s. How would you think of it? How would you even think about it? Yes, we runad in a lot of those.. This show is made entirely of culturally significant. Hey, hey, hey, hey. I mean like, mister Baseball. I mean we're making movies We made this in culture We culture we reference culturally at significant points in history.. There we go. Absolutely really good We give them another dignity, you know from Lazarus, where do you want to go? The first thing I thought of was seed biscuits matchtace with War admiral. But's my answer. is the first thing I thought of go you're gonna to an old hor race? Yeah, that's not my answer. Let me think. What would I want to observe? Can I make money using this when I come back to the present? I can't see It doesn't say you can't Um and am I interacting A I interacting with people or no Yeah. I think for me, it's like, if I'm if I'm the Cruction Christ, I'm like dress like them. likeike I think you're you're contextualized. But you're not changing it You're just observing it. Yeah think that seems horrible Ooh, I do the moon landing be out the mood, or I'd to see how they faked it Oh ye but then they'll be like, but how are you there? Pase look over to see you? Beause you are you gasping for air? Are you one of the astronauts? Are you? They would be shocked to have you? So not ex. place you would just appear on the boot and then just be s.' die. lose that there. I guess we're in I guess this is more like like a ghost of Christmas future style where you're kind of visiting but not describings imagine you're just getting to kind of see it like it's on te. Yeah. Oh, the moonlighting iss a great Yeah That's a good one. Yeah There so many culturally signific moments are horrible rightad. Right. I guess including you do want to go to something that wasn't televised because you can see the moon landing. Right, That's a good point You kind of want to go old with it Uh, it would be kind yeah, I think like youd want to um it's interesting like where would I want to go? I think it's something like Medieval. I I wantan to see okay.. A total eclipse in medieval Europe would be fun. But then you really do want to speak, Be like, if everyone gives me a hundred dollars, I'll it Why is this always where my head goes 't have that Jewish She's allowed to say it we're allowed to say it. But yeah, I think something medieval would be nice, you know? Or even older, right? Like let's go go to King Arthur's court and get a vibe on that. Or see a dinosaur. Is that a culture' different point history? Iess is The meteor hitting. Let's go see the meteor hit. That's so cool. Yeah, as long as we could just like be out of there. The meteor hitting was culture sure Yeah For dinosaurs it was a big part of it. The most important cultural moment, I guess. Is it interesting though, like technically like just sort of is the meteor hitting the Earth and killing all the dinosaurs culture? Was there culture before people Yes Th Yes, I think I would say the dinosaur had culture. I would say culture is a human a human invention. Really? According to Marian Webster, the culture is the beliefs, customs, arts, etcetera of a particular social group, place, or time So I guess do the dinosaurs have beliefs, I suppose is a question But I would say elephants do Yeah, that they fucking hate those people making them Ride around and stuff I hate him Hate him hateem So I think that was that was that was a good one All right great, let's wrap this off and on to the jokes. All right, we come back I'm here some of these jokes that were either Too bad or too mean to be part of my Happiest time My life. Great. And we're back. All right, I'm gonna to kick it over to Hallie once again. Here are the roast jokes that were too hot for my parents, I guess T had it for love its parents. We're just gonna trade off telling Gross jokes that we have written. And then also we have a gift for you at the end I guess as a thank you for letting us do this. Sure Al as we're sorry. All right, Sarah if you would please kick us off I'm like genuinely nervous Okay, go. Let's excited It's always so special when two grumpy, politically active Jews fall in love You guys are like the Julius Nhel Rosenberg of your generation I'm sorry, of your respective generations? Oh, that's good. That's good because we have an age gap. No That's good. One more from Sarah. at the Roseberurg. I see why I got cut. Okay.'s good. It's great. It's great. Honestly though no one would ever guess that you and already had a significant age gap, you look amazing love it Those transfusions of Ari's Gen Z blood have really paid off All right Love and Ari together are a beautiful example of queer love, and Love it by himself is a cautionary tale about overestimating one's widespread commercial appeal Wow, okay, Really good Mhm. There's no denying that love it is hilarious Not on his show so much, but one time he showed us security camera footage of himself falling down into his driveway and dropping his McDonald's. I go now have a clip. This is my Zepruder film. But good. compimentary So we're watching loveove it. He' like a big fat bag at McDonald's. He's going back to his car. Oh always fells out I' hilarious. Hilarious stuff.. What did I think I forgot? I went down house. You your wallet of your phone? ' you're patting your ps, you turn around and you just eat shit. I did. I really in my pocket hamburger. It' in my car.ight, yeah, you stuffed a couple in for later I'd actually never listen to love or leave it before I se in the package right for the show. And I swear to God, I'm gonna to get around to it any day now. Nice Now that Writing for Love it is exciting because he always wants to do jokes that no other late night host would touch. For good reasons, it turns out A lot of people don't know this, but rats once chewse through the wires and Ari's Cridage and that or love it S spots lse french fries dropped there by R. This guy knows what I'm talking about and he must be stopped All jokes aside, loveove it somehow manages to put all jokes aside So again the beach here. we have better ones. Yeah ye. And also I will say the ones we are doing are busch meter than this you're reading now So I said thank you and I sorry, we we if you or listener to pod, if not why you listen to this one first, it's insane. I guess you look for the Miller. I get that. Okay So we have received a sandwich after winning a bet. L bet us that a joke would work. and we were both right that it wouldn't However, recently, Lovet has taken our suggestions to cut down or cut a joke entirely. We want doned to reward it with a gift he once saw in a dream. That's right, ladies and gentlemen, we have brought him the saapphic token. The Sappic token.ow. can you explain what the sapphic token is? Yes, I had a dream and here was the dream. Thank. The dream was I was in some kind of a vintage store, antique store and I picked up tiny blue elephant And I was told or discovered or somehow came to know that this was what was called in the dream, the sapphic token. And when you look at it, you become a lesbian That's it Great. well, so I ordered it and I was afraid it wasn't arrive in time. So we did print out a photo if the Sffic token And then we signed it, if you want to open it up and show it to the cameras. Beautiful.ause is when you pictured, this is what I pictured. Is this a rout right or what more like? I'll tell you something. I've actually I've never really described it I'm realizing now it was kind of a elephant Buddha sitting like this, but an elephant. That was what it but this this very much evokes the vibe of the Sappholk token and it's sort of a kind of a kind of something like it feels Like of another time. Oh my go. And here's the Sffic token itself. In this little cute bag. This is cool. Beautiful. You're welcome and we're glad that we can make your dreams come true