Second Thoughts and Closing

Welcome to Love or Leave It Live from Los Angeles. I'm John Loveit. and in my attic there's a portrait of me slowly going bald. We've got a great show for you tight. Michael Eury is here Bribe is here But first, let's get into it. What a week On Monday, Donald Trump became the first sitting president to attend an NBA finals game. Can't wait, huge fans, said Trump before pronouncing both Ks and Kicks. Trump. Trump only decided to go after being assured multiple times by his staff that none of his children would be getting married at the event. Arriving in Manhattan, Trump remarked, You know, I used to have sex here while pointing at his crotch. m any sense. Here is Trump getting booed on the jumbot Tron during the national anthem. Rright start D to Challamay, said the paned camera operator before realizing that Tina Feay had already swallowed him whole like a snake. The president was also booed at watch parties across the Big Apple It was as if all of New York City was booing a single man I couldn't imagine anything worse other than being a single woman, Allrightp Trump also fell asleep at certain points of the game, though you already assumed that Sir, wake up, Epstein's alive. Sir, sir, wake up. We found your childhood sled and then threw it in the garbage instead of donating it like you asked. Sir, sir, wake up, you took your weird penis out. Trump's presence created a headache for the game's other twenty thousand attendees who were told to arrive at least two hours early to get through enhanced security In response, New York City mayayor Zoran Mamdani, who bought tickets to the game to attend himself, announced that an additional watch party would be held at Bryant Park you can't have open containers in the park because Mom Danni has instituted Sharia laaw Trump making the NBA finals all about himself led to comments like this one by Stehen A. Smith. If it causes the New York Knicks to win to lose tonight, I'm blaming him. blaming the president of the United States. We'd like to think we had something to do with it, said the San Antonio Spurs And And then while Trump watched and napped, the Kicks lost. We were overconfident after a series of victories and caught off guard by a surprisingly strong defense. That's about the war in Iran, but it also applies to the game And in the end, we were bodied by a petro state run by religious fundamentalists. That's about the game but also applies to the warar Ir On his way home from the game, Trump did an interview on the tarmac to spin his appearance. What did you think of the reception expansionight? I look great. I mean It was certainly amazing. It was I think mostly cheers. was It was loud and it was very enthusiastic It was loud and very enthusiastic, said Trump, about every one of his wes's perfunctory fake orgasms Speaking of fake and perfunctory, Trump has been accusing Los Angeles where we are currently recording of widespread voter fraud now that reality star Spencer Pratt has fallen behind progressive City Councilmber Nithia Rahan in the vote count Now LA does have a motive to steal an election from Spencer Pratt because most of LA's voters don't want him to be mayor . think about it, Rote Trump on True Social, not possible for Spencer Pratt to have lost the LA runoffs after the big lead he had Just try an insurrection in Los Angeles, Trump. Where are you gonna to go? City Hall, the county administrative building on temple, individual supervisor offices. Los Angeles divides authority across multiple layers of government, creating a convoluted bureaucracy that stymies progress and allows politicians to pass the buck, you idiot. Besides, you think the PratT voters on the West side are going to go all the way downtown on a weekday to launch an insurrection? I don't think so. Maybe you can get them as far as West Adams. That's only if you promise to do an insurction in Culver City next time Republicans have latched onto the slow pace of California's ball accounting as a reason to suspect fraud because famously, when you're committing a massive felony, you want to do it as slowly as possible. Really drag it out over days, the strip teas of election fraud, I call it When ask for evidence of voter fraud, Mike Johnson, spepeaker of the House, said this. But what evidence is there to prove that there was right I don' Some of these efforts are so diabolical and so far upstream it is impossible to prove. But I think everybody knows instinctively something is wrong here It just instinctively feels wrong, Mike Johnson said pulling the hockey mask down over his wife's face while asking her to call him Hollander. California And you can say a lot about the Democrats of the state of California, but the word diabolical would not occur to any of us. Have you seen these people diabolical? Are you kidding me According to Reason Polling, mayayor Karen Bass was up by eighteen points in a one on one with Pratt, but down by four points in a one on one with Nithia. So the Democratic establishment, which is behind Karen Bass, in a diabolical maneuver, rigged the election to make it harder for her to win in November. Now that I say that, that does sound like California Democrats So let me back up California vote counting is a notoriously long process as every registered voter receives a mail and ballot and every ballot mailed by election day and received within seven days is counted. Also, according to California state law, the ballot must first be sorted by the voter's astrological sign. It doesn't change the final outcome, but it does slow things down.us If you interrupt California Secretary of State Siry Weber while she's counting, she gets flustered and has to start over again Of course, this is all ridiculous. The only LA fraud we really need to get to the bottom of is Gelsenses. It's pavilions' products at Aruan prices. What are we doing Why are we shopping here srazy what they're doing at the Gelsons get a applause And he's carried out onto the street. The new mayor. I've heard Karen Bass sayne fucking thing about what's going on at these Gelson's prices Even Republican gubernatorial candidate Steve Hilton, who won a spot on the November ballot. wentent on CNN Monday to dismiss Trump's concerns. But we take it very seriously because we don't want to let people down and we've being very vigilant on it. We're keeping an eye on it. We've got teams standing by, lawyers standing by, and we've seen nothing that would give us cause to intervene in that way. Continued Hilton, everything looks legit as I seem to be winning How many people here found out he had a British accent from that video? Isn't that shocking? Isn't that shocking That's why Trump blew a fuse when meet the press host Kristin Welker asked him to back upp his claims about LA's mayor race. They're cheating on the election. There's what do you have evidence? to support? All I have to do is look. All I have to do is That's not ev. I listen. And I listen to people and let's see what happens. But sir, that's not evidence. You think it's appropriate. That's how they the votes. You think it's appropriate. crooked J just like you're crooked. Your press is croked. and meet the press is crooked. To be fair, I'm not croked, but let's Re When you play right into their hands up. Let's continue. You're either crooked or you' stupid It's a good l I feel like we can stop asking Trump if he has evidence. At this point, it's like asking Rihna if she has any new music. What kind of question is that? What are you hoping a again Trump then stormed off. Let's go and quits because I've had. Thank you Darling. H have a good day. mister President, let please I traveled all the way to Wisconsin. Please, please, mister President, I came all the way to Wisconsin. It's so much dairy. I'm half black and half Jewish. I have one cheese curd. It's like meet the press, more like meet the toilet. And then finally, at the as he was leaving stepped on the microphone and crushed it. We traveled all the way to Wisconsin for the interiew Me next. Do it to me next, said Lindsey Graham, already flat on the floor, panting like a dog And we have a great showo for you tonight. Won't we right back With Michael Uuray. Hey, don't go anywhere. 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That's BOM BAS dot com slash Lov ETT code loveve it at checkout Bombas d. com slash loveve it We'll Michael Lurie and Kel Kripe in just a moment. But first, thank you to everyone who is a friend of the pod. If you're not now, is a great time to subscribe. Subscribers get tons of bonus content, including ad free episodes of all your favorite pods, access to our excellent substack newsletters, including open tabs, you get Dan Pfeiffer's Pller coaster. Which dies into the latest polling and ad free breaking news updates. And your subscription supports independent media that you can trust. pllus, subscribers get special perks at Crooked events, including Crrooked Con ticket discounts and other exclusives at that event. So please go to croout dot com slash friends to sign up now. You get a lot of great stuff and it's a great way to support independent pro democracy media No Barry Weiss telling us what to do. And if you're in LA, you can still get tickets at crroickut dot com slash events to check out our new studio and upcoming guests, including SNLM, Jay Farrow, comedian actor and literal clown school graduate Zach Zucker and many more. We have a special pride episode on june sixteh, That's my mom's birthday feeaturing Otuka Okodska, Markin Delocado, Mickey Meks, Bruce Velane, Brendon Sinnell, and more All right, Please welcome to the stage. I know I need to see a therapist, but this is the next best thing. It's Shrinking Zone Michael Yury. Good to see you Hello, hello Hi, hi. Good to see you. So good to see you. Shrinking is on its third season. Yes, the third season is out. You can watch the first three seasons. I can't believe I can get high as you want. Is that all right? Yeah it's fine. It's fine.ike I w want tona be up here with you. Isn't it so interesting to be on a show about therapy even though the fad of therapy is over? ike it' sort of in the past now. I mean, like I remember when the was show launed it was like, oh, that's perfect we're getting therapy And now it's like Who's doing that? Who's doing that anymore? Now we're just like living in our own filth. Yeah. O mental mental filth. Yeah, becausecause we're so busy. Well, yeah, when the chauffeur came on, it was right after the pandemic when everybody got into therapy. or when the taboo of mental health was sort of lifted, right? I remember We started talking about our feelings during the pandemic. Yes. everyveryone was depressed. It was like it was like it was like the first time in humanity when the whole world was depressed. Yeah. Andn' itny Isn't it funny how because we've made the wrong President, Pident We never processed our collective trauma yes. Kind of in the same way how like after the Spanish fllu it was really about how World War onene was so terrible, but really we'd also been through a terrible pandemic. But But we never really wrote as many poems about that. Did we, Michael Li? Not as many poems about the influenza A lot of poems about the trenches, notot a lot of poems about the Hey, it says here you have a googlely eye That's right, I do. I don't even know what the hey, what's that mean? Okay, so, you know, some people have like a lazy eye. You might call it a lazy eye or like cross eye. I call mine a googly eye. teechnically, it is the it is a severed nerve in my eye, It's the fourth nerve and I have cerebral palsy of the fourth nerve. That's That's what a doctor told me it was. And it may have been caght have been I may have been born with it or it may have been caused by a head trauma. I had a few head traumas when I was a kid. I did that thing where you spin around and get dizzy and I hit my head on a coffee table. One time I was running up the front the front sidewalk and I tripped and I hit my head on a step. So I had a couple of head traumas, that might have been what severed the nerve. I didn't even know I had this until I was like seventeen U And somebody pointed out that my eye was crossed. and I was like, Yeahah, doesn't your eye go cross when you look a certain direction and you see double too? Well, apparently not everyone That's not true for everyone. But when I look When I look like if I'm sitting here and I look at you, can you see how it goes? Yeah, you see it? Yeah Yeah ye it goes And I can see double. So like I can see you down here and I see you up here. So I used to use it to cheat in school No kidding. I could like sit. And sheet off of my next door neighbor's paper in school. You're just like like kind of one of the X men that didn't make it in the comics. I had hit puberty, then I could look in both directions at once and we're like, getet outt of here. It's not that useful. We can't do anything with that. We can't stop magneto with that How we use that How are we going to use this stuff Magneto? I mean, maybe they's think about it for an hour. And then I keep seeing double and running into things and like not that one and the other one. Guys, Magneto is either to the left to the right. But I know how to control it. I mean, if I look a certain, like if I'm looking at you here, I'm not seeing double and you can't tell that I have a googy eye, but if I look at you there Whoa, there it is. Isn't that crazy? So like when I'm working in front of the camera, I know how to adjust. And I always thought I've got this down. No one's going to possibly know. And then I was like having just small talk with one of the focus pullers at Srinking, the people who like pull the focus for the camera. And we're just chatting and I was like, yeah, you know and I've got this I've got this I got this Googly eye thing And he was like, Oh yeah, I know I was like, oh, I guess guess he's looking close. looking right out when I'm in to play Like on stage, I don't adjust because The audience can't see for the most part, it's here That guy with really good eyes. They can't really see. And so I don't really care what my co star thinks, because he can cheat out age you want to cheat out so that the audience gets your face. And so I give and so I was recently doing O Mary on Broaday. I saw you in O Mary. Yes, that's right. you came. I did. It was great. O Mary, the amazing play by Cola Scola. I was doing it with Jinx Monssoon, the brilliant and talented Jinx Monssoon from Drag Race. She was playing Mary and I was playing Mary's teacher. and Mary's teacher comes I'm not going to spoil anything, but Mary's teacher comes and teet gives her some acting lessons And so in this scene, when I'm giving her acc lesses, is this really funny exchange where she's not very good at it and he's like, all right, you know, you know, mean it when you say it. tryry to mean it when you say it. And then she does it and it's really bad. Okay, well, look at me try looking at me when you say it. And then she looks like down at my crotch and And I'm like, look at me in the eye And she goes Which eye? And then I say both. and she and meet she does this really funny bed where she Looking at both eyes. Very funny, always kills So we do the whole run, we do this show together for two months and at the closing night party, Jinx, we're at the party, like everyone's like, I'm gonna miss you, I'm miss. and Jinx is like, I have to tell you something. Every night, now that we're closed, I can tell you, every night when we got to the scene that you're teaching me about acting and I had to say, which I I imagined you're googly She's like looking right at me. She's like, I felt like I didn't know which eye to look at, but the audience didn't know. and I never told you because I was so afraid that it would break us both up But you know that it's a truth when you meet somebody who has a funny eye, you don't know which one to look at And here we were And you don't even know they have a sense of humor about it. You don't know if they have a sense of humor So every night she would go, which I and then feel a little bad. Beause ' R, It wasn't added for your Google. No. It was in there. I just happen to have one and it fit in and it is an extra joke for her and everyone's sitting on that side of the audience Apple TV plus. Plus what? Why is everything plus? Dney plus, Paramount plus? What's the plus? Wheres the plus? don't know. Great question. What's your favorite thing about the iPhone seventeen Pro Max? Is it the camera or everyone who has money and thinks of themselves as interesting got the orange one? It's like, o wow, you're so avant garde, you're so counterculture, you got the orange one It's that. you appreciate the unibody construction with the vapor chamber cooling That's on a phone. Yeah. That's part of the new iPhone seventeen Max Pro Pro Max. Vapor like it cools it like so the phone doesn't get hot. I don't know. I't know. Hey, I saw you on the show Elsbeth. you were on the first season of the show Elsbeth, and we were discussing this today. You also have a character on u the good Wife in the Good fight. Yes. And Elsbeth is part of the goodood wife, G fight universe. Right. But your character on Elsbeth is not the character you played on the goodood fight, good good wife. No. who was like a CIA person. Yes. Steven Dina Werna was that guy's name. In that world Does that mean there's a Michael Yurie who will show up as a character, You know what I'm saying? How does it work? Because you can't. What does it work? If someone, you know what I'm saying? I do. I know exactly what you're saying It's crystal clear bro they broke the cycle. broke they broke that rule. Elsbeth does not follow that same rule. Because couldn't it be that were you were the CIA person in character as the E feat rich person on that episode of Elsbeth seeason one? I sorry, E I mean, you played a rich gay guy who knew a lot about arts. That's fair. That's a sort of textbook feat. Do you not think Yeah I thought the character was a. He's a f fe. you're right. He's a fat. I don't know why I would be offended by that. Wh why It's pr.s pr. why might be offended byold. You're right. That's my own internalopobia. Let let go. I'm sorry. Let Let go. it let it out. Let it free Totallyree But no, they broke that. So now people who played characters on The Good Wife and Good Fight can appear on Elsbeth as different characters. However, I love this idea that the character I play on Elsbeth, whose name I can't come up with right this second, was undercover in the CIA as Stephven D Nverna. I like that Hey, I got married a few weeks ago and we forced all the attendees to sing one day more. After the Friday night dinner, we handed out the lyrics and we assigned parts Yeah. Yep. Ginger Minch, the drag quueen led the whole wedding in sing this song. Now Jason Siegel and you Have a lame Miz moment singing on the season of shrinking. cororrect. Let's take a look. B you can w There is a duty change No I so! friend! No nothing! I was b inside. Thereere's Harrison Ford All right, I think you've seen plenty. U Thank you What did Harrison Ford think about that? He had no idea what we were about to do? He didn't know. He had no idea. Well, the script said Jimmy and Brian sing the Confrontation from Les Mis. That's all it said. And I don't I don't think he knows what that is. I don't think he understands what that means. He might know what Les Mis is like as a, you know, as a property, but I don't think he was at all aware. And we just started singing. and so his reactions are all completely authentic. Do you think Harrison Ford And oh Mary can exist in the same room at the same time. Like if he I would like him to see it. Do you think he would I think he would go. Yeahah. I think he would say But it hasn't se see. I don't I can't He doesn't seem like a New York guy He doesn't love I don't think he loves New York, although he has spent tons of time in New York. Speaking of pride, I once saw Harrison Ford at the New York Pride Parade He I was this is crazy. It was twenty ten and I was on a float. U During the parade, and we were just eye candy or was it connected to something It was for a I was doing a play. I was dancing in my underwear and in a cage. No, it was for this play called the Temperamentals, which was about the Madishine Society, which was the first political organization for gay people in nineteen fifty. Harry Hay who started later started the Radical fairies The Manageing Society is still a thing, but Frank Camony protested outside the White House, connected to the manag. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes, exactly. And so we were in like a nineteen fifties convertible in the parade. That's a cast of the t. Very cool. And so we're going down Uh you know, fifth Avenue during the parade and just waving, you know, like you do in a parade, waving and looking at people and saying, heh And I see standing on a lamp post, you know somebody standing on a lamp post to see over I see this guy in a suit sunglasses and I'm like, doesn't that guy look like Harrison Ford? And I point at him and everybody in my float looks And then we go about our business. then and nobody thinks anything of it. Like there was a guy who looked like Harrison Ford at the Pride Parade. So then years later I'm working with Nick Jonas of the Jonas Brothers, and he has a bodyguard with him for this job. and the bodyguard comes up and he's like, Hey you, yeah, you, You made a lot of trouble for me during the gay Pide parade a few years back. I was looking after Harrison Ford. He wanted to watch. You pointed at him and everyone started rushing him and I had to get him out of there. Wow He almost got Harrison Ford killed. almost got He gets killed. There's no show. I mean, look, I think Srinky could potentially have happened without Harrison Ford, but I think he was a big part of getting that thing going. I'm sure it would have it would been a very different show, for sure he almost, you know, he almost got like what's the opposite of gay bashed He almost guy Bashed by gays. I guess That's what you would say. It the opposite of gay basashed is gay basashed. It just it's, you know, it's like'flamable, inflamable in a sense, And now you're talking about that he's dead. and then you're here being like, actually Dustin Hoffan was fun to work with on this set. He actually didn't even know we were gonna sing it. Hey, Michael, inspired by your hit show on Apple plus TV, shrinking, We're gonna crack open the egg of truth Great It's next to me. All right. However, we're going change it today because we're going to not just have the egg of trruth, which is this. We also are going to have the egg of therapeutic follow ups.. Okay. And so we're going to answer a question and then we're going to answer a follow up about us. Okay, great This is funny. know, my character in the show is not a therapist. Yes. We talked about this last time and I decided I don't care. Greg, justust make sure. What is the ideal time to have dinner? five thirty early I intermittent fast, so I like to get done Do you think that could be connected to your relationship with your mother? she was very strict about dinner. If you only had twenty four hours to live, would you come on this show again? Absolutely. Oh. Sure. Where in your body are you feeling that? Bladder, Badder, blder, blder If you could have dinner with any person living or dead, it would be living, right Is that the whole question? Yeah, And who would your dinner guest be Um be John love it, D. Wow, John, me dead. Hey, what's the worst advice you've ever received U Do you love it or leave it again? You don't No, no, no, no. What if you' Well, the worst advice I ever received was don't come out of the closet And that was when youaring Harrison Ford told you. That's where Harison. From the lamp go. He's like in twenty. Too much, I can tell Button up, Stay in. You wantna Hollywood? Stay in shouted across withive. 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It's great It you're on a walk, you're still tired at the end. Yes. And then you take it off and you kind of feel like you fly for a second. Yes. Yes. you're like, boy, I've never been so high up off the ground. Yeah. but for this vest being gone, you know. And so for my show, we just have a friend on and we give them a weighted vest and we go on a walk along the L.A. River and we play awesome games like Rock Mary Kill Stuck between a ruck and a hard place. Hh? And what do you look for in a ruck, buddy Wait, does only the guests have the vest? Do you have a vest? we all have them. Yeah Be we sort of make do not have everyone at a vest. No, we actually we even make sure the cameram man wears a vest. And you can't see him And And he has to walk backwards to film the show. Vry a camera. Yeah, it's amazing. Shout out, Trevor. Hey, Trevor, shout out to you for being forced to wear a vest for no reason whatsoever. Why's it cold rck? U Alan Ruckound I think because of Alan Ruck. Alan Ruck' was named after Alan Ruck. That's of course what it is. Pis say off Yeah. It's so funny though, because Rucking is either like for like Middle aged women like recommended by their doctors to like keep for bone density for bone density, or it's like ex Marines doing the hardest workout you've ever seen trying to make it harder I would say that in Los Angeles There is a strong overlap in the Venn diagram between All right middle agge women and ex Marines, which because if you're in a gym class in Los Angeles and you look around and you only see guys, it's actually not going to be so hard If you look around, if you look around and you see twelve of the pointiest fucking women you've ever seen in your life, and then and then like one guy, you're like, this is gonna be the hardest workout in the state of California as a rule of thumb. I started taking eighties dance with my girlfriend on Fridays. It's like a beginner hip hop eighties themed workout class and it's my favorite. No Marines there Hey, you have a one person show in the Hollood at the Hollywood frringe? Yes It's a directed by Mitra Jhari friend of the show. Yes, love Mitra so much. She's brilliant. Do you have any revelations about yourself as you were writing it? Yeah, I mean It's a solo show about my life. so I do feel like revelations were a big part of the writing process. It's so wonderful. I'm doing it at the LGBT center five times this month. It's called the Magic Computer and it's kind of like I've been having these thoughts around memory and especially as As a trans person who looks so different in so many of my past photos, I was having a really hard time reconciling, like acknowledging my past When the person in my pictures reflected everything I spent so long getting away from. And what's a bummer is when you try to forget about the past, you lose along with it all of the lovely people and memories you have along with it. The idea is kind of this magic computer That contains all your past selves, photos of all your eras, and it can present it to you in a way that helps you synchronize into one H But I paper mached the computer. And the fun way and the fun way to say it is that I used to be a hot girl and this computer has all my secrets. But it's a lot about memory and I've found so much peace with accepting my past and like There's so many of these photos I never used to be able to look at and now I'm able to look at them so peacefully and like with love. and my hope When people leave, the show is Just that they kind of maybe want to go back and look at that photo album era of a time they weren't really kind to themselves and kind of maybe Look at it with nicer eyes That's so nice Be you know my now husband, we're saying husband, is trans, and we have a picture of Ari as a girl in our living room. And I think it did take took them time to get to the place where it was like, Hey, that's just a fun picture of me that I like to point to people when they come in. so when we have friends come over to the house for the first time and we're sitting at our R, we's like, there's me as a girl. That's me as girl. That's as a girl., on the coffee table. And like a thesis in it too is that there's no guidebook for how to react to pre transansition photos. Well there are guidebooks, but they say, stop doing this. This is all wrong. Yeah cancel, cancel, bad bad Yeah Yeah. But then it's interesting because I talk to so many trans friends about memory and it's like it makes you feel like you don't you're not allowed to have access to your own past anymore even my closest friends who are so loving. I'll show them a picture of me because fun fact, I was prom queen. And like if I show this photo of me of like long hair feminine in a dress and heels, even my most loving friends, their reaction is to do And I kind of wanted to like lead the charge like by example of like how we can react to these things normally. And I say in the show that like the only person that's ever reacted properly is a dentist named Phil And one time we were out on like a bar crawl in Scottsdale, Arizona, and I was so nervous for him to see my license. I was like, clutching it to my chest because the photo is me and I'm like sixteen years old. And I showed it to a bouncer And I didn't grab it back in time and filing forward. And he just goes, Oh my gosh, I look so different too. And he held his card out next to mine And we just kind of giggled together about how we both look different because everyone looks different as we grow up And I think normalizing We look different. sometes sometometimes it's a gender swap, sometimes it's teen pounds. like it's all the same and I think the More we can learn to look back kinder and accept each other in like all our shapes and forms. the more like empathetic we can be together and like less stigmatized about looking different. Yeah. It's also part I do think sometimes There's a way in which conversations around trans issues For some valid reasons, I think some kind of I don't know, hold overver reasons. It's really kept separate, right? like And even like, oh, like, oh, these are photos, I don't know how to process these photos. And I think about photos of a relationship you were no longer in. What do you do with forget the photoike What do you do with those memories? Right? Like What do you do with a period of your life that you don't feel totally at ease with? inside of which you had great experiences that you don't want to not think about. And you know what you do You get tickets to the magic computer at the Los Angeles LGBT Center this June. ait There's a code, for the tick. Yes, I would love to give code love it to anyone listening for some discounted tickets. Hollywood fringe dot orgot So goes to check out the show. Oh my gosh, wait, I had one funny bit. obbviously it's like weird to talk about your own show. So I just had two reviews, I was hoping you could read really. So I have them right here so you could read this one and then swipe If you know Kell from their videos online, you're familiar with their brand of wholesome silly humor, but this show expands on those jokes in a wonderfully heartfelt, vulnerable way. Kell has an amazing knack for making everyone feel like a friend of theirs. and this production showcases that beautifully. The Magic compputer helps Kell process their journey of gender discovery and in turn Kell helps us the audience to feel joy, whimsy, empathy and to laugh really, really, really hard What I liked, I liked that the seats had cushions, it really helped So those were two reviews I just saw if you're like on the fence Cushioned seats, I mean Mitra and I worked really hard on getting cushions on those seats. We gota get got to get gotta people gott to feel comfortable in every way, you know, physically, psychologically, socially, mentally, you know, know that but wise, butt wise. We'll be right back Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of loveove it or Leave it comoming up Love or leave it brought to you by AG onene Summer is for loosening up. Okay. Letting things slide a little. That's the point. That's part of the fun. But you can still cover your nutritional basis this season without putting a damper on summer fun with AG one, just one scoop plus eight ounces of water every morning. 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Allrighty, starting nice and easy, nothing too intense here. Now there are only going to be four TV shows. And we are all going to watch all of them and then everyone's going to talk to me about them at the speed in which I watch them too. There's just simply too much. We need to simplify. so we're going to get four, one sad, one scary. one gay Act too gay. One of the gay shows is going to take place in space and the other one is going to revolve around a sport that doesn't exist like hockey . I'm in on that. I'm good.' playing. It's a great a rule a time. For a time. Yeah, in that way where no one's ever left out. Yeah, I'm sick of people feeling left out of the shows. And four is me and my girlfriend's magic number. Cool.reat. I love that. That's so beautiful. Okay. So they them's rules. They them's the rules. They them' the rules. You know, the first time we played this I never You played You can't play it wrong. Here's the thing, you can't play it wrong. Yeah, new rule. I can't play this game. C can't play it wrong. those are rules. Okay, let's move on. Protein isn't good for you anymore. Enough, enough. Why would you want to feel full and satiated when there's stuff out there like bread and cookies? I do think protein's gotten out of hand. I think people have gotten out of hand. everythingverything's protein. you're like this cake is protein. Potein protein. A actually, you don't need to make this with you can make this, actually, you don't need to use flour you can just make this with meat. I have yogurt that has protein in it at home. Prote yogurt at home. I have tortillas that are protein. What's going on in that tortilla? What's going on in that This is a great rule. Yeah. Yeah. They. They the rules. So you actually should judge a book by its cover. Because it's not about how many books you've read, it's about how many you've purchased. Some people don't think audiobooks count as reading, but now even just thinking about reading a book counts as reading it. I like that rule.. I really like that rule. I'm in I'm in on that You know, a thing that helped me buy more books, someone once said, stop viewing the books you buy as like a to do list and view them as a wine cellar. And you collect them and then you go down into the cellar and pull out what feels right at the right time. I love that. Buy the books. Okay I totally support buying books. My philosophy. actually get them from the library Here's the thing about getting them from library. I support getting Watch yourself. I think we should have very well funded libraries. But at the same time, it's like get a book from a library as opposed to if you can buy a book and therefore support the industry of books. You know?' complicated. That's a really good point. Why shouldn't I be supporting if I can buy a book, shouldn't I buy a book We don't have time to get into it. I will say I do believe in starting more books and people should be unashamed about quitting on a book. You should always quit on books. If you're done, stop. There's always more books. And if you're gonna stick with a book, even though you're not having fun anymore, you may not read as much. So just if this is so true. I'm not saying you should stop reading. quQote, John L. That's exactly right.s the rule So this one's, you know A little follow me, okay. If a restaurant is objectively nice, when you ask to take food home, they actually can't bring the container to the table. You have to slop it up there yourself for the world to see. Yeah I hate that. So so basically what I'm saying is that clean plate club is mandatory now and anywhere where the waiter is nice to you You know, since giving public slop is socially unacceptable, the least you can do is slop down your plate till it's squeaky clean. That way the restaurant can save money on washing less dishes. Not only is this the kind thing to do, it's good for the environment. I'm a no on this one I'm out I'm out. I just think if you're going I just don't like if you're at a nice place and they bring out the container to the table and you're you're kind of likere you're pouring your your carbonara into the into the thing and walking out with the whole restaurants watching me like, lookook at this, lookook at this, fuck, they gonna go home and eat that later. disgusting. Wow. It should happen in the kitchen. I thought that one was like a four quadrant We were all gonna agree on it. No, it's It's no got to be honest, I did not follow it. Yeah. I did not follow that. Weith Oh but maybe you'll agree on this. No entree is allowed to cost more than twenty dollars. And if you make me pay extra for fries, guillotine. Wow, Wow. honestly. Wh ever started V I' not coming with sandwich get out of here. He. Do you think if a place said, we are going to do something truly revolutionary Our burgers come with fries and salad that you'd become like the Jeff Bezos of places. Oh my God, honestly, justust hey,y what about this? You can choose fries salad or half fries, half salad. I love that because I always feel so embarrassed when it's like obviously fries. Obviously fries. But you just want a little salad to. I don't want vegetables right now. make me say it. You wanna make me look you in the eyes. I like vegetables. I just sometimes don't want them Yeah. They Theyves the ru Okay, this one is a special Everyone is presumed gay until proven straight. That's right, the closet is for straight people now. Time to switch it up, John. unless I see you making passionate heterosexual love, and yeah, I'm watching We will assume you are a homo I think is a great rule. This is like the closet is like the thing Superman goes into in Superman two when he turns Zod into human. You know what I mean? You go into the closet, you press the wrong button and then all of a sudden all of a sudden, the guy that doesn't speak is getting shoved into the hole, right after Superman throws the S. Rememberbody he throws the S? you're like't I'm sorry, One of his powers is throwing the S. is throwing the S like saying a bad word. No, he literally He literally goes like this he goes and it becomes a big cellophane S and it like tangles up one of the goons. and they're like, Oh no, Dad. We should have a movie night Okay the rules. the rules we have to have a movie night moovie night. Okay, and speaking of this really quick, plantar fasciitis is sexy now Wow.. wow, that's so cool. I mean, what could be hotter than like you need to stretch your calves. Yeah Do you one of those little balls that I can roll my foot on. I don't, but I do have a boot I wear every night to bed It keeps my calf engaged. Shut sexy now. Yeah. the rules.'s the rules. You're gonna love this one. All phones must use a unibody construction with vapor cooling chamers. Period, right? Bs the rle res Also just want to say having fidget spinners as an adult is now an act of maturity. Taking anxiety management into your own hands. honey, that's not childish. That's called adulting Thank Yeah Simes the rule. Wow, great For sure, for sure. That's gonna get a mion clicks. Back in my day. back back in my day. we didn't have fidget spinners. We just fucked up a pen. We just fucked up a pen until it was busted. We just bits coming off, J just a pen would come apart of your hand. L it all over your hand. Yeah o, the plastic thing, rip that thing off, open it up, close it up, fuck it up. That's what a fidget spinner was Back in my day. Back in my day. When you rode dinosaurs to school? Yeah in as the rules. All right, let's see it there. We'll be right back Time take a loving stroll through everything we said and didn't and decide whether we are filled with regret in a segment we call second thoughts Michael and Kel, you have any second thoughts about something from the show? You're welcome to share as well. First up, I did a sex in the city joke immediately followed by a citizen cane joke, Who is this show for? I compared San Antonio to Iran I should have done more LA grocery store jokes, thoseose killed Michael, I regret saying that therapy is, quote over because I personally stopped going. I then immediately yelled at Michael Yurie about the Spanish flu. I was there for that. Hey Kell I replied to you telling me about an eighties dance class with my classic Host responds of, wow. Wow. Why did I try to inject doubt into going to the library? Yeah. I mean, I like that I want the libraries to see, I like the library, but it's like it's not like the libraryiess not a business where they're like, oh no, they didn't peopleople didn't borrow enough books. No it is though What happens if we don't borrow books? They get less funding.? How does libraries are third spaces for everyone to enjoy. So we have to talk off pod about this. I want the libraries. I want the libraries.'m so youre to the library. Sbody's like clicking how many people go in and if not. I don't know the true inner mechanics, but I know we should all be supporting the public library So you get an applause break. I explained the plot of Superman two, a film I came out in nineteen eighty. Who is this show for? I was surprised when you said Superman two becausecause I was like, arerenn't they on Superman like fifty? Do you have any regrets? Any regrets, Just that I had probably five hundred more theyamser rules we could have gotten into. Yeah. I had one, I was thinking for you It just a personalized theyM's the ru. Let's hear it. Not a theyM's the rule. Just a rule for me. No a second thought for you. Oh, Draight. What do you think it should be? I was thinking that it's actually okay to just take the question Who would you want to have dinner with dead or alive at face value? is