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Directposit one thousand dollars a month funded invest account for a point five percent increase Cash account offered by Wealthfont brokerage LLC member Fin IC not a E episode is brought to you by Go Henry Now, in our house, James and I always go into the summer holidays thinking, right, this year willll be organized Lots of wholesome family time, no stress It cut to three days later and it's just constant. Mummy can I have an ice cream, Daddy can have some money, Mummy, can I buy this? And James and I are just looking at each other like, how have we already spent a small fortune? For children, it honestly feels like we're on a never ending loop of tiny financial requests. 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Yeah. our Weatherhering Heights one. I've now actually bought it, Weuthering Heights. Yeah on streaming now on what is is either Apple or something like that I've bought it. I think I bought it on Apple. Yeah. But I feel a bit like a perfect because the only reason I'm absolutely loving it is because it's a gorgeous love story, but because Jacob Lordy's got like no clothes on In somehere you see his chest. I saw him being interor other days he got another new film out I don't know, I don't know actually. Well, we've got some voice notes from you, so let's have a listen to our first one Hi Joan James. My name's Jess live in Efield I just wanted to say what a great podcast. It's really so lovely to hear You've been so honest and open about your trials and tribulations of family of S and working and all that sort of stuff, it's so refreshing Two things. O, just listen to your most recent podcast and what make what songs sort of get us going and all that sort of stuff and you were saying about just going out and dancing There's a new sort of over thirties and over forties disco seen sort of coming into I think it's across the country, but I go in London and you go in sort of two or three in the afternoon and you're done by seven and it's just all different types of music. You can go to a Bit pop night, you can go to eighties, nineties disisco and it's all done by sort of seven or eight o'clock in the evening so you can be home in bed by nine or back for the babysitter or whatever. I'm lucky I don't have children, however It's just a really good day out, lotots of fun and I say no inhibitions And then the other thing I was wondering, you both have such distinctive, lovely accents. ents of your children growing up with, are they you know, just normal Southeast London that sort of that sort of accent or are they picking up any of your partarticularly Welshing songy and really deep. lovely Yorkshire accents Thanks again. loveove the podcast. Bye Oh just, that's really lovely and amazing. I'm gonna look that up on the internet Yeah. becausecause last night I was in bed with Bau and I can't remember what I was listening to, but I was listening to some music and I thought, o my God, I just want to dance. I just want to go somewhere and dance. I mean, isn't it so sad that you spend all of your time clubbing and dancing when you're younger And then what you get about the age of twenty five when you start, you know properly working and stuff Just stop dancing. Unless we go to a family wedding or unless it's like a Christmas party, which we never get to go to because we are like self employed. so it's like different jobs. And so you don't have a certain unit that you're with, we don't get to dance. And I was thinking last night I want us to go club and I was thinking, I'd love us to just go into London And you know, like go and just go to like GAY or somewhere. If it's like, I didn't even know what is still running. But you know it sounds really good though, because that's like targetedudence. Yeah, becauses our audience in it. It's our aid. Yeah. 'causeuse the thing is I was thinking that that's not I wouldn't be able to cope with that. No. Because last night I was supposed to go to somebody's summer party And I think it started by about half eight and at half eightate last night we were like, o my God, we just need to go to sleep. So the fact that it starts at about two o'clock and you get to go in and dance and dance and by seven o'clock is finished, you get home and you're in bed by nine. Yeah That is perfect. Yeah Should we do it? Yeah, I'd love to find out because When you go it's say we went into London now we went to a club. Yeah. I think it' freak me out to honest. I think I I just feel I'd feel I think you're going through a midlife crisis, right? because you seem to be being quite you're getting more and more like your mum as you're getting older By the end of it. think you're going to be like that like all really nervy. Yeah. You need some g No No, I think c f down. I think yeah, you need a really good shit. That's a reference back to the other episode we did the other day about needing a good shit Do? No but but I think I think on the egg. No, but think I think if you went to a club now you'd feel like really out of touch because I'm sure it's all like changed, but I quite like that because it's like because it's the music Probably all the music that you've listened to and You know, you wouldn't feel like everyone's going, what' are he you doing in here Will you look on your phone as well? because I am the only one who organizes stuff. You never look and go right, okay, let's go and do that and organize a babysitter. I always do it. Well with the hies come in. mayaybe you know if your parents come keep an eye on the kids we could Well, if it starts at two, right we'd be able to go out and they pick the kids up from school, bring them home, give them some tea, We'd be home by the time it's like bedtime. And the other night when I was talking about going to this summer party, Noah was like, Oh, can Nanny and Bama come and babysit, please, please just go. so they just do want us to go now. Yeah ye. I'm going to do it, right. And Jess, keep on listening and I'm going to let you know how we get on Because that is something that I think would be good for us. You are getting so nervy and on the edge at the moment that a good old dance I think would be good for you. And I just would love to just go wild somewhere and dance. We're gonna do it. Right. Let's do a pinky promise Okay And then yeah, also our accents. Oh yeah. In the beginning, right when we first had the kids, all of them would have a Welsh accent. It just went bumped straight to Welsh. There was never normal then. It wasn't the accent, it was the tune. Yeah. But no they said the same v. The same tune and melody that you've got. Baby voice So it sounded bizarre really, isn't it? Yeah. What about whenva was really small? and we took her to go and see Tid Lge she was going Tidl Where are you? when she was talking in a real Welsh accent? Yeah And they get. But it ends up sounding a bit Swedish. Yeah. Or Norwegian or someen because they don't have the Welsh accent, but they have the sound of it. Well, in the beginning up and down of it. In the beginning they do have the Welsh accent. As soon as they start speaking it goes Welsh accent, Welsh tunes Then when they start school It slowly goes into complete English accent. So all of it I mean sounds nothing at all like me. It's just proper English accent but with a Welsh tune So It just sounds quite funny. And then now Eva's grown older and she's thirteen. She now doesn't have my tune anymore and they do make fun of me a lot with the amount of syllables I put in something. And I say to them, go on say something And I try and copy them and it's weird because I have to completely flatten everything So If Eer saying Hello, my name is Eib should be like Hello, hello, my name is Eva. I can't even do it. Hello, my name is Eva. I'm going first Yes. I'm going to talk just like that. It's just very, very flat and very English for his bow now she's still got my tune but everybody else now it ends up going and then they end up just having an English accent. Yeah. For a while they would say bath, wouldn't they? Yeah, but then it got to the point where they just start laughing at me then. They laugh at you Daddy say say path. say Bath. Bath And they' been be laughing at me. They just not lagh No, I'm saying it, but that's how it should be Yeah, I think they think that we're a bit simple and you know, bastard You don't say Bastard do you? I say Bastard. Yeah. yeah. I like now saying to the kids. Do my voice, do my accent and they can't do it anymore, which is kind of quite sad But they can't do it anymore. and that point when they were about like, well, I suppose Beu is four and she's still She's now getting her own accent in her own voice because she says things And sometimes it sounds a bit of a cockney way. I don't know, it's like she's forming different sounds. And yeah, so it must be when they get to about four or fiveh that then they just sort of school in it. Yeah just sort of leave our voices and they form their own little sound and it's quite sad because you think, o my god You're not, you know, If we lived in Wales, they would all sound like me. or if they lived up north, it'd all sound like you. But right now because we don't sound like the people that we live You know, Nia because we're in England, ourur children will never sound like us. Can you imagine when they have children, ourur grandchildren will come and they'll go, o my go, Nana, will you say such and such? or listen to the way that What you want to be called granddad? What will you be? Listen to the way that granddad says back. What's he saying, mummy Granddad. I wonder if you know that when Eva's older and she's got I always think wonder she'll sort of go Obviously, she'll be really embarrassed about whatever we do, but that's normal. She will just be like, be on your best behaviour then she'll say to me, o she's already said to me, I know what you're going to be like the first time I bring a boyfriend back. You'll be all, Oh, hello, N nice to see you and you'll be putting a face on and putting your voice on. And I know that you'll be checking them out and she said. I was like, I don't put a face or a voice on. She's like, yes, you do. They'll be being all friendly and then trying to work out what he's like and stuff I think he'll be brilliant. Of course she's going to be like that Sh probably tell you not to that simper Well, you know Good luck with that So we have now got some texts from you. Hi Joe and maybe James Oh, absolutely love listening to you guys. I have a question regarding relationships. Beeening with my partner now for two years, we're both twenty one We spend a lot of time together and basically live in between each other's houses. I adore him and love our relationships Now the thing I struggle with is the sleeping I am very protective of my sleep and must get eight hours a night or I can't function Recently I've been really struggling to have a good night's sleep next to him and have been sleeping in the spare room. This isn't a problem, but I would rather sleep in my own bed Did either of you ever experience this together? Do you think it's normal to not be able to sleep next to your partner? It's just the sound of his breathing that gets me. PS absolutely love the pod. You and James seem like such kind people and I love how James's calmness works so well with Joe's busy mind. Thanks so much. this is Marnie from Chelsea. Oh Marnie, thank you so much for such a lovely message We were younger. No, we didn't ever have I didn't ever have that problem of sleeping next to him and he is a noisy sleeper. he does like breathe quite loud and sometimes as he's got older snores I think as my head and mind are so busy, When I get into bed, I just go bom and I could sleep anywhere. I've never had a problem with sleeping. And you know, if you put me in a corner, give me a blanket, maybe not give me a blanket if it's warm, I basically can sleep anywhere. So he has never bothered me with sleeping. What about me with you if I ever woken you up? No, no, you haven't actually Yeah we're both very heavy sers. And also before we had kids I would I could sleep through anything Yeah me too. I just put my head down and I've got to sleep straight away. Yeah. But since having kids, I think it you're kind of on alert all the time, aren't you? You get woken up all the time when they're really small kind of affects your sleep. No mind, if I'm really tired, I don't have trouble getting to sleep but I wake up early. But' if I wake you up, it's not about, you know, if you just do wake up. So that was when we were younger and we liked sleeping next to each other and with each other. It was always really nice and really nice cutching But I think as we've got older now I've gone into the other room because of Bu And I love sleeping with her. withith all of the other children, They would just come into bed with us so we would continue to sleep with each other and we'd all be in a big bed. When the fourth one came along, I thought, oh my God, there's already like so many of us in the bed. We can't bring a newborn baby in here. So that is why I moved into the nursery for the first ever time. And so that is my first experience of not sleeping in bed with him and basically having my own space Gotta be honest, right I really like it. It is really nice so I can see right where you're coming from It's nice because I like it first of all, I love Cchim Beu. She's lovely to Kattle. but when she goes to sleep I basically could just go back into my own room and go right shove up, but I'm getting back in. Leave the doors open. so when Beau wakes up she can come and get me or not or whatever But I'm still choosing to sleep in there because I would say, I remember years ago, Catherine ita Jones doing an interview and she said to make a successful marriage, you each have to have your own bathroom So we do not have, you know the luxury of having our own bathroom, but I can see what she means. And me being in Beau's room has given me some space in that it's quite nice when you've been so on the go all day and you just don't want and you've been so touched by everyone I don't want to be touched anymore. I don't want to listen to anybody. I don't want I don't want your light to still be on. I don't don't want any of that, right? I just want to lie there, be in my own world and then sometimes watch stuff and watch boxx on my phone And then the times that so I can say that I'm not missing him But the times when I have gone back in to sleep with him, it is nice because I do miss him and it is nice having that intimacy You now because we've obviously gone into our own things for because we're not getting any dopamine from each other and we're not getting any, you know that love and that comfort and that intimacy from each other, we've obviously gone away to find it in other things. And so mine is sort of getting you know, watching box setets and having that time to myself and you know, doing that sort of stuff. and then yours is constantly listening to podcasts. Now so when you go to bed, you have constantly got your earphones in, which I swear to God is going to make you go deaf. but you've always got those in and you've always got a podcast. So when I've gone back into bed with him off and on now in the last four years, It's not as snoring because I can get over that And it's not him being there or anything like that, right? It's the noise of his podcast. You can just hear this. constant Low rumble of noise coming from his headphones All night, all night And there've been times when I wait for you to go to sleep and I'll turn it off myself or I'll just punch him in the back. I just go turn it off like I can hear it and I make you turn it off and then you try and put it back on. So that is it with me. Yeah, I have experienced that and it is the noise of the podcast. and I've just literally punched him. 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Because I used to think years ago I used to, you know, people say, Ohh yeah, we sort of sleep in separate beds or whatever and I think, o that's strange But but now I understand it because sometimes if you If you are struggle sleep in. Yeah And you're the person' waking up all the time But you can be quite asleep deprived, can't you So I just think just whatever works. I think it really. I think whatever works. And I think li. I mean, I think right now Kit's in with me and he really likes it and we, you know I could look I could look with him and he likes to know And I think just while the kids are this young It's not going to last forever, you know, it's not going to last forever and there' in a time when they're probably not even going to want to hug you and never mind lay next year. So it's really nice inn't at this moment in time with the kids to sort of enjoy that and embrace it. I think that the older you get, the more you realise that things change in life And you adapt to different circumstances and different things that are going on in your life and that nothing ever stays the same forever And I know that I'm you know, sleeping separately from him now at the moment, not because of his podcast, but that noise does annoy me, but because I'm enjoying sleeping with Beau. But I do know that once she grows older and wants to sleep on her own and then once they all do go, I know then that I will get straight back into bed with you because I do miss touch and the pair of us sitting there together and you know me like reading a book or you listening to something or you looking at your phone and then it's caddling. and I know that I will get back into bed with you because ultimately I love sleeping in bed with you and continue. And so I know that whatever happens in life is not always going to be set like that. everything changes. so there will come a point when we do get back into bed with each other againny isn it? Be when it got to number four, you're like, right, what is going to give us the most amount of sleep because we'd had a lot of sleep deprivation with the other three that right? Number four now canan't go through this thing again being woken up all the time what works. And you remember we cut the legs off? We got bow, right which we would usually get in a little tiny bed for the other three We got Bow right from the start A small double bed And we literally cut the legs off the bed. Yeah because so that if she rolled off, she just literally wouldn't roll very far, she'd roll onto the carpet. So it wasn't dangerous And then you just co slept D And it was just what worked for us. I thought instead of having a really small bed, I knew I was going to sleep in there with her because I would get the most amount of sleep I could. And instead of getting a tiny little you know this is when she was big enough then to go into you know a proper bed, I thought, well, I'm not going to get a small little, you know toddlle or bed or whatever, stuff it. Let's get a small double because I'm going be in there with her So we got one and I think now these days you actually can buy small doubles, which are, you know like little trainer beds and they don't have legs on them. They are just on the floor but yeah, we went and got a small double. And I just remember you with a saw sawing the legs off it so it was very, very low onto the floor. Work the next you know But I remember with the other three When they were tiny, You know, they wake up in the night and you're sort of laying next to them and you' stroke their back and stuff of getting back to sleep Th then you drift off and it? I'd wake up in the early hours and I'm not on this tiny little kid's single bed It's like the most uncomfortable thing of the mattresses for kids as well they're not that thick of there. So feel like the most uncomfortable ight sleep. it just made sense in the end, didn't it? Yeah For us anyway to do that way. So yeah, I think you've just got to do whatever works for you. However you get the most sleep, get the sleep that's one thing I found as well, right? If you're not getting enough sleep, more than that just messes everything up. Just make sure you have a good eight hours sleep every night and then everything else will be fine Yeah. If you're not getting sleep, that is like the biggest form of torture. Yeah Allright, I've got another one here Here we go. Hi Joan James, Darren from Edinburgh here. I have a great idea for fifty things before you're fifty. It's the Highland Fing in Pitlock Reree, Scotland Very much an adrenaline rush thinks James should do it too in a kilt. Love the show always makes me laugh when listening to you both in the car, Darren. Oh my God, thank you so much, Darren for the message to learn that the Highland fled Have you ever worn a kilt before? No, I've never worn one. Have you ever worn an outfit? Because if you wear a kilt properly you've got nothing underneath, haven't you? think so ye When Armando wore his kilt at the end of Taskmaster I can't remember if he was wearing anything underneath it. I think he was wearing pants, but his little the spl run isn't it? It's brilliant you can keep all sorts in there. It's like a proper big, you know b you can keep all sorts in there. But when Armando was dressed in his kilt and everything o my God, he looked so smart. I've never seen a man in like full attire, full kilt forull the whole lot And they just look incredible. They just look so smart, so put together, really like, oh my God, you're just amazing. Yeah. Would you wear something under your kilt or not U no. If I've got a chance and I' got to go what do you call it? Commando? Commando. Yeah for that for the what it's like Yeah. G the air in there. You've never been to a highighland fl No, neither have I. Yeah. Wow, I bet it would be good fun, wouldn't it? I remember on our honeymoon when we went up to Edinburgh. Yeah and I got like obsessed with eating. I guess, I loved it Oh, it was so nice in Edinburgh wasn't it? Oh God. Do you remember when we got there? orr was it the lake District first You booked for us to have a massage and you couldn't go because you'd cracked your tough. O a peanut. On a peanut in the hotel minibar That must have been going up to Edinburgh then. And o and we went there nothing beats Edinburgh in the winter. There was snow everywhere. Oh it was just just we should go there again. And then we'd have a little like haagis going to a local pub I guess. and they' potatoes and It leaps leaps and Brill Shall we just try and go away for a night away again, you and me? Yeah, definitely. Our last one was such a disaster for my birthday. Well, I did enjoy it up until you got twenty minutes before checkout You know, that was the bit that went awful. Yeah The rest of it was nice. Escott we need to go away. We haven't seen each other properly. Well somemer holidays is coming out they Well, I know what we're going to be with the children donstand. No, but they don't have to go to school so maybe yourarents. o for a night away somewhere. Sake off for a night. Where shall we go? Where would you like to go Let's go for another. You know where' quite fancy. somewhere like T ten minutes away. Yeah. So you don't have to have any journey time. you's like, rightight, well, I offll see and you're there straight away And you're not at home. Yeah. And you can just like crack on and make the most of it. We just need to sit down and talk somewhere and have some food. The thing is, right, the problem is when we go away together, what I like to do is sit down and we just talk and talk and talk. If we don't have the kids, right, we are like we just sit and we talk and talk and talk and then we love to stuff our faces. We love our food, don't we love to sit down good old meal or have a meal out. I mean we like to eat. I mean, we like to eat and we like a drink And then when we went away last time and then we sat down we played sccraubll and it's like nice and connecting. And then I'm always too full then to want to have sex. So I've stuffed my face like a ruddy pig. Let's do another dayxt. Just want to go to sleep then. Yeah, J just want to sleep Fart and go to sleep. A big old pig. Hi Joanna and James, just listened to this week's extra lush and loved hearing you two doing each other's accents brilliant. It also fascinates me how there are different words for the same thing in different parts of the country Were there any words you both used when you first met that the other had absolutely no idea what you were on about? Loving the podcast, it cheers me up every time. Lots of love Cara from West Wales. Oh thank you, Cara. Well I think I introduced him to the word cut. You didn't know Cutch, did you? No And then was there something that I didn't know that was northern never heard the word word ginll yeah. A ginll is a little alleyway a ginll. Did I ever teach you what snap means? No, or snap boxes some sandwiches Oh yes, yeah. My snap is like your snack It's like your l G now snap
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