Spotlight Integration and Final Thoughts

Welcome to Mac Power Users. It's time for the twenty twenty six WWDC Extravaganza. I am David Sparks And joined by our man in Coopertino, Stephen Robz. How's it going, Stephven? I'm doing well alive on the ground here, just going to all the things It's been a wild keyote, you know theyre one of the short keynotes ever. It was just about an hour and fifteen minutes, including lots of pauses when they were demoing Siri in the keynote, but a lightning fast keynot, but there wass a lot to unpack. what's behind the scenes, what I've heard, you know directly in some briefings and And yeah, it's exciting. I think it's a good year. I think it's a good year. Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of people, I was talking to some folks in the lab. There's a lot of people feel like they're underwhelmed this year And I think they're kind of missing the big piece here. you know. And we'll talk about it during this show. But I think this keynote was deceiving. It might have been a little low energy. It might have been a little short. but There's some real important changes taking place here Absolutely. and there were many years where people in the Apple community have asked for a snow leopard year And I think this is exactly that. and I even heard Apple people. say the word snow Leopard in various meetings. And so I feel like I don't know if there was a whiteboard somewhere in Apple Park that said Snow Leopard and it was like twenty twenty six. But it's definitely that. But I think what's powerful is, you know, Snow Leopard was just the Mac. This is Snow Leopard for all of Apple's platforms, and I think we're going to see a lot of performance improvements across the board I gott to ask you though Stephven, before we even talk about the keynote, the night before the keynote I'm sitting home I open up Instagram and I see a picture of you and John Turnis together. will happen So the Sunday evening before the keynote There's a dinner for media And so we're at this dinner. Last year, we went and there's no structure. There were no special guest who cooked' come last year. So I wasn't expecting anything. Got to meet some great creators I don't f meal though. Iways feel Good food Yeah. Free drinks, all that kind of stuff. And like Apple PR is there with creators in media And at one point early on this past Sunday evening A small group started to congregate and I saw everyone holding up their iPhones, taking pictures. And I was like, okay, well, something's happening. And I look over and I justine had just arrived and I was like, oh yeah, maybe it's you know, everyones takeaking pictures of I justustine And then the crowd begins to expand And then I was with Andrew O'Hara from Apple Insider. and he's like, I think that's John Turnis. And I turn around And sure enough, there's John Turnis taking selfies and he, to his credit, met one thousand people and slowly made his way through this room Everyone was trying to get a selfie. It was A mob David and I pushed through and I got it. Once time I visit WWBC and I was hanging out with Bhil Schiller. O He had just retired and Nobody was paying attention to him. so him and I talked about as speakers for like fifteen minutes. Well, and I'll be honest. so got I got to attend this tech talk that was right after the keynote, which we'll get to in a little bit And I went to the restroom because it was just after the keynote and I didn't know how long this Tip talkk was going to go. So I went to the restroom. Sure enough, Craig Fiterigi was in the restroom And I was like I don't have a selfie, but I cannot ask for a selfie here. N not in the restroom. Not in the restroom. They call.. It just didn't work out. I didn't see him again. so I missed my Craig Federgi one, but yeah, he uses the restroom like the rest of us. But that's good to hear, I guess, right? But it was it's been a blast. I mean, meeting all the creators and podcastasters, I met Mike Hurlely of Relay. He was the guest last week. I met him in person for the first time here And it was really interesting getting to see. I had a lot of briefings this year Even opposed to last year. and if someone's not familiar One of the things that happens after the keynote is media will have small meetings that are more in depth that you'll get kind of demos, but also be able to ask questions And I had a lot more of those this year. as you would expect, there were a lot of things to demo and lots of questions to ask. And so it was very enlightening being here And I honestly want to focus on that for today's show because everybody listenings probably watch the keynote We don't need to summarize it all here, but I do think it wouldn't hurt to talk about some of the big points and then how that kind of spilled into some of the briefings and information you learned on the ground. sure. And you know, they started out with the Snow Leopard ish. This is an improvement year They had a this has been going around on social media all week. But there was this wall of text that they said. hereere all the updates And I'll put a link in our show notes to this article from Basic Apple Guy where he took the wall of text and made it a plain text bullet list And it is two hundred and sixty three points of improvement over across all the platforms Everything from air drop getting faster and not just faster to transfer, but also faster for people to pop up in the share sheet Vision OS connecting to Wi Fi. I put the beta on my Apple Vision Pro, the M two version, WiFi connects much faster I've and I don't know about you. I know you're running the beta on a lot of devices. I put it everywhere And it feels like the most stable beta in a long time, but everything also feels a little faster and smoother, even like on my MacBook Air, which is now running beta one. I have been very hesitant to say that. We had a labs meet up today, but I kind of said it too. It's like, yeah, everything is just working. I don't have H haven't seen any broken apps yet and I'm sure there'll be some and this is beta one gang donon't do what we're saying and install it on your work computer. I'm running it on the secondary machine, but overall, it's been really stable My theory on that is that The AI thing was such a boil the ocean productject at Apple. Yeah. that they just didn't give anybody time to like develop new features this year. They're like, you know Clean up things And we're going to talk about that But you know In terms of new products, it's all really just this parental controls and AI and And that's it Right. you know, the improvements the larger portion of the keynote being on Trust and safety, which is really child safety and screen time settings. One I was curious because that has not gotten that level of attention in a long time the screen time settings But A lot of the features that they announced were kind of rebranded features that already existed. you know like for a child to be able to request to text someone and youd be able to approve that contact You know, these things are redesigned and there's a redesigned screen time settings pane, but many, many of the features were already there for years. This is now kind of a relaunch. and Apple I think, trying to put this more in front of the public to say know, maybe with the rise of AI and even Si AI now puts into these devices, parents, you have tools to help your kids navigate these things. and we're going to help you and we're making it easier. The onboarding is more evident and obvious And one of the things I heard in a briefing was this screen time, there's actually a new architecture underneath the home architecture updated a few years ago. So even with all the betas on my devices, I don't see the new screen time settings because every child device in your family needs to update to IowS twenty seven first then you'll have the ability to update the screen timee architecture behind the scenes and then you get all the new screen time features. So while the features are been this similar, this is a brand new underpinning And it needed it, frankly, because green time has been kind of terrible for the last five or so years It has. I mean, many times it breaks, you know, I would have maybe web control restrictions for a child and then all of a sudden, I'll get a text from one of my kids and they'd be like, hey, I have full access to everything on the web. like just so No. And it's because Screen timeime just failed So I'm optimistic the new architecture will be good, but it was also interesting for them to spend maybe a third of the keynote on that and then the other on Si AI and then just improvements, you know, Yeah onn the child architecture thing, I got an email from someone calling me a fanboy, which is frankly probably true. But this specific complaint because I had said that I think this is really good Apple is doing this and his email was look They're just doing this to sell iPhones. They're telling all the pares you have to buy an iPhone for your kid I don't see it that way I think a lot of kids already have iPhones. I mean, if anything effective screen time going to make kids want to tell their parents to buy them an Android phone where they don't have those types of controls Um, I think they're trying to do the responsible thing here. I don't see this ironically or you know through some filter And I'm glad they're doing it. The question and We have a history with Sreen timee of them announcing it and then kind of leaving alone for a long time They're serious about this, they need to have ongoing resources. It needs to be a yearly thing, not a once every five year thing that I am still hopeful in the future we'll get a standalone screenime app because I still think the amount of settings just shoved into the settings app under screen time is a lot. Notifications being in messages I don't think is great But this is a first step and to what you were saying You know Neili Patell I had that argument. I was at a John Grouber's live talk show yesterday. And he was saying, you know, Apple wants to be able to sell more iPhones to kids, but this is, you know, every platform has parental controls. It's not like Android doesn't have any. There's family setup. I've used it myself from Android phones, trying to set up Android devices for my kids. So it's not like Apple is the only one doing this. There is competition I do think Apple has, even though it's not been perfect over the last ten years. They've had the best screen timee controls with the most granular options, but this is also something that's not they're not p You don't have to subscribe or pay for this. And there are lots of things you have to pay. you only get five gigabytes of ICloud storage, like we've talked about every ten weeks. This is, by the way, the fifteen year anniversary of when Steve Jobs stood on stage and said five gigabytes. Which is one I want light a candle right now for that Yes. and interestingly The AI features that we'll get to, some of them are actually going to have usage limits So photo like reframing and changing the perspective, just a built in photos app Us the Apple Intelligence tools, there's going to be usage limits on the free tiers you will have more usage if you're on iCloud plus So there are places where Apple is, you know doing more subscription type services across the board. And so screen time being as robust as it is and being completely free, I don't see it as there's a lot of other things I think you can point to Apple and say like that's a money grab opportunity. I don't see screen time as one of those. Yeah. And honestly the science is real clear now to the dangers of kids with, you know unfettered access to the internet and people on the internet. And I think If I was in charge of Apple, I would want to have these types of features just like accessibility is important. So I don't see it in that light. I think it's good they're doing it and I'll be watching you, Apple. I want to see you continue to do it Exactly. Be being Mac Powers though David, I really want to know what you thought of the MacOS naming bit that Craig Federici did almost joking that they weren't going to name it anymore and then doing it. Yeah Um it's fine. you know, I I you know, all these everybody gets wound up about their their funny bits and, you know, they're a tech company. they kind of, you know, They're high on their own product a bit, right when they do these things. You know, when when you're when you're in that universe, you feel like you're the cinner of the world and you can make some stupid bit and everybody will think it's hilarious and most people don't care The It's fine, you know. I kind of like to drive by, yell the name out the door, get going. That's kind of funny. I don't know. I don't have strong opinions on those things Although if I mean, in years past, they've done really funny like intro videos two years ago at thele first Apple intntelligence launch, you know, they were jumping out of a plane Yeah orast speaking it, you know, making believe to do it. And I like those bits. The VW bus was funny. You know, I do think it's interesting and this came across in a lot of briefings. where Apple specifically said, we listen to users, we listen to developers Even on and looked on social media. they even said several times that they look at the feedback from all the different sources including social media platforms. And I think it's interesting that the joke they made where Craig said, you know, we've named MacOS for a long time and we're just not going to do it this year I think it is pointing and telling that they know the community. You know, they understand maybe the end jokes and what they're talking about on the podcasts or whatever. And so I think that's just another illusion to like, hey, we're actually still listening And I think all the improvements they talked about this year is another result of that Yeah, I mean, that one overarching story out of this is They apologized without really apologizing. Apple doesn't apologize, right? You know, But But they're like, hey, we made a thing last year and now we're going to tune it back a little bit. you know, even saying that is something from Apple. and And I think that's all good. You know, we all kind of, I think before the show we were saying they're they're at eleven. they're going to turn it back to eight. That's kind of what they did. And I think that's as much as you can expect over one year Bri, one and, you know, it's been two years since Apple Intelligence officially launched. And this was very much a redo And them saying We're really going to do it this time And from what I have been using in the last couple of days with SiriAI I think it's safe to say they have done it And you know, in the outline you were saying, did it feel confident? And I think the keynote And especially the tech talk that came after that It was very confident And I think in the actual keynote video where they're doing Si AI requests on camera, letting the pause hang, letting you see the request come through It was very much like, listen, we did it and we're going to show you. This is what we've been doing the last two years. We've not been sitting on it. just letting it fail. I can confirm it. I made a video in the Max Parky Labs after I got access to this beta. and the first question I asked it is What's the weather where I'm going to be this weekend? because I'm going on vacation in a couple days And it read me the weather where I'm going on vacation, not where I live on Saturday Yes. And I want to get more into that personal context in a second because I've asked several things that it's kind of blowing my mind a little bit And a cool tip If you have the betas, again, be very careful. Don't put on your main devices If you use the Siri AI app and you give a request There's a little thumbs up thumbs down where it that's giving feedback to Apple If you click that A little sheet comes up and it tells you all the information that it pulled from in your personal context come up with that answer And so you can see the notes Males messages Even reading list in Safari, so many sources. and so you can really tell and when you update to the IowOS twenty seven, your device is going to index for days. And that is not an exaggeration. People who updated the beta on day one, their devices are still indexing today on Wednesday, and that's because of the personal context I I bought a second phone on your advice, Stehen You have enabled me again. I got to use iPhone air little scratched up, cut off eBay. it's fine Um It has been hot enough to fry an egg on for like two days because it's indexing in the background. Yes. I also asked that, I said, Hey, I bought a shirt recently. Can you find the receipt And it went in email and found a receipt. I didn't tell the vendor's name on purpose betterter sound it And then I said, Hey, can you make me an Apple note about this receipt? And it did M that. I mean, it's just like it it's Like, you know, the thing I've been saying to people is Syria doesn't suck anymore It really doesn't. and I want to get into the details in a moment of what Craig explained during this tech talk after the keynote This episode of the Mac Power Users is brought to you by Daylight. goo to daylight. for the only madeade for Max CRM solution. 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So as soon as the keynote ended You get an email and a text basically giving you your updated schedule telling you what is when because before the actual keyo you're what you're allowed to go to is Right, exactly. I've been there. Yeah. And so Bran for the keynote, we met a person and we walked out of Apple Park across the streets to, I think one of the developer center buildings, but there was a mini theater. where we there was a couple hundred media. And we all sat down and it was going to be an hour I sat in the third row. in front of me was John Vorhes, Federico Vaici, Mike Curley. And then in front of them in the front row, Tim Cook Greg Jswck, John Turnis Okay. I was two rows behind them And so we're all sitting there and Right at the top of the hour, Craig Fiteregan comes on stage and he's going to do a live presentation And it was very interesting to feel like We have not seen a live on stage presentation or demo from Apple in a long time And this feels like we're going to warm back up to this and we're going to start here in a smaller setting, maybe a little more controlled And maybe that alludes to the future having more demos But let's hope. let's hope. But Craig went through a lengthy explanation the Apple Intelligence models what it means for the Gemini integration and the partnership, and I shouldn't say integration, is the partnership. And we were allowed to voice record the tech talkk. We couldn't film or live stream. Well, you could film, but they didn't want you to like film like the whole thing But I was able to record the audio. So I have a transcript of the talk and I'll send it to you But there were some specific points that came out because one of the things they wanted to clarify was when Apple announced the partnership with Google Gemini, a lot of people, including us, because we didn't really have any other information, it was to think, well, okay, so Siri is going to just be Gemini. Like that's going to be it. And that's what happened contracting our information to Google. Yeah. And that's exactly what Craig Fiterree in this tech talk wanted to clarify And so there's four distinctions that they made Number one The partnership with Gemini was for model refinement And it sounds like it was distillation of these models, which is the term in the AI world where one model trains another. And so it seems like Apple Foundation models core Core advanced cloud image and cloud, which are like four parts of the Apple Intelligence models, they were trained with put from Gemini frontier models to enhance their quality and capability So Gemini enhanced the Apple models. And then there's a hardware in this partnership, a hardware aspect, which is infrastructure extension Mainly Apple needed more compute power. So Apple partnered with Google and Nvidia Historically, they've been at odds, Apple and Nvidia to extend private cloud compute infrastructure. So there's a hardware and infrastructure in addition in this partnership And then for performance parity The Apple Foundation model's Cloud Pro model. It's designed to offer higher quality and be on par with Gemini. And there's also a world knowowledge section, which is actually Apple's W knowowledge. So when you do a Si AI request right now with IowOS twenty seven, it's going to go and use Apple's world knowledge and search on the web. It is not using a Google search Craig Fitergo was very specific about that. And then in this tech talk He compared the traditional AI app and your request versus Siri AI And if you have a clud app on your phone When you make a request, basically nothing happens on your phone That request goes up to Anthropic They process it in the cloud, whatever data you're sending And you get the response back in the app And they said, that is not at all how we're doing it. When you make a Siri AI request We're going to send as little information as needed up to the cloud. It's going to go through private Cloud compomute. and on device, we're going look at, we're going to use on device models, on device context, your personal information, on device, all that indexing that's happening. And we're going to try and give you an answer with as little as sending your data away as possible And I' felt whenever I use the Siri AI app on my Mac, on my iPhone Air, one, it's very fast, much faster, I feel like than a lot of AI apps because there's a lot happening on device But it is not just asking Gemini. And that was the main thing Craig wanted to do in that tech talk was say, it's not Gemini. this is Apple's models. Gemini helped to basically train it When you think about it, Apple has the most context on you of any of these people. You know, Gemini doesn't have a list of your calendar events and reminders and all your contacts and email the way, you know, Apple does. If you know, the idea of a private AI can see your data but not send your data It is you know, the most powerful context you can get. And you know, the more I teach about AI, the more I realize And the model, the power of the model is is important. Right But the amount of context might be more important Because no matter how good the model is, if it doesn't have enough context, it's garbage in, garbage out And I want to get into the weeds on that in a second. And I'll just say so after Craig did that explanation of the difference between the Apple Foundation models, what they did with Gemini, Mike Rockwell, who is now leading the Siri AI team Basically did a live demo And like you could think back to past keynotes where you see the little script word demo on screen. I mean, that's basically what happened. He had an iPhone connected to the screen. and he just did Siri AI requests live in front of this room of several hundred people. And I think it was very much going back to that confidence statement, Apple saying, we're going to do this demo live in front of you right now. You can record it if you want because we're confident this is going to work And he did personal context requests on screen requests letting it work between notes and web content and knowledge And in that demo Nothing failed He did about three demos. they all worked. and it was very clear they're like, listen, we got it now You can now you can run with it And that's been my experience using it. Yeah, exactly. So I wanted to give a couple of examples. One, we have a dedicated S Siri AI app now and it's going to have your conversation history. One note on that, I asked specifically in a briefing, When you make when you ask something of Siri and you have this conversation will future requests like use that context in have memory Is there a memory? And it's not exactly memory as other AI apps would use, like Gemini and Claude But because they're Text conversations in the Siri app. They will be indexed with from Spotlight and by the system. So it will speak to the context of future requests, but it's not going to be, I think, to the depth of like sometimes I'll ask Gemini something and they're like, well, as a YouTuber using the A Sony A seven four, you might like kind like easy Gemini. like we don't need to do that that deep. So it's going to have some context, but not the same kind of memory that the other ad sa What you're describing to me is just local context as memory not a profile that you'd have with a traditional That's exactly right, exactly right So a couple of just personersal context examples I wanted to know, I have three kids and all different names And I knew I had a text message from one of them And I asked Siri AI What did my son say about his job interview I have two sons, so I didn't tell Ciri what son it was, nor did I name them.. That was my whole request And sure enough, Siri AI came back with exactly the information I was hoping for talked about his interview, how he probably got the job, even that he's going teach a masterclass at this thing And there's a link back to that text message. This is exactly what Apple promised two years ago and it is fully delivered now in twenty twenty six. And I asked another question about A friend of mine who was coming to DWW as a YouTuber, I said, when did Andrew say he was arriving And I thought this was at WWDC. And I thought this was interesting because I probably have like thirty different Andries in my phone And so like, willill it know? Will it understand the context? And sure enough, it said he's going to arrive Friday at night, he's going to explore. and it summarized a very long text conversation, succinctly, linked back to the exact message, and it did exactly what I was hoping for So it is, it's good. It's good. That's the bottom line Another example I did was I was researching solar last year. I was thinking about doing it, but I haven't made a decision. And I asked it, Hey, Wh you, find my notes about installing solar and it found the Apple Note. And I said Has the laws changed in California since the last time I looked And it went in research and said, Well, you wrote the note last you know, may twenty twenty five. since then there have been two significant changes in California law regarding solar people are thinking about it differently and you know And I said, OkayK, please update the note with that information. and it did That's awesome. You know, it is it is useful. I mean, and we've been using it as a whipping boy for a long time and it frankly deserved it. But honestly, this is what I wanted five years ago, honestly. But it's here now. So that's good. It's here now. Now one distinction I will make Because the SA I app is on the Mac, there is some deep integration. Like you can select multiple PDFs two finger click it And there'll be an ask Si option in the contextual menu right at the top And you can ask at things like Compare these three PDFs and tell me what's different about them PDF's about three different products. It can build a table you know, showing the differences between those products So we can take action on some files on your mac. There's been two shortcomings I've found so far won't proactively go get a file on my Mac if I ask a question So I knew I had a PDF of a camera manual like my SonyA seventy four. I tried to ask the SI app Hey, look in that Sony A seventy four PDF manual and tell me about the video recording formats And it said, I can't go to that file So you know, that's something where if cllaoud Cowork has access to your folders and your file structure, it'll just do that. In the same way, I asked and this was bizarre I asked the Si AI app, I selected four screenshots that were unnamed And I said Can you rename these files And Siri ask, what would you like to rename these files to? And I told it Rname based on the contents of the image or file. we would do with Claude Cork It actually listed names based on the content of the image So this first screenshot, startup disk settings. secondecond screenshot, Shortcuts University came up with great names with the content asked me, would you like me to apply these names? I said yes And Siri said, sorry, I can't do that. It's it said I can't rename files directly on your mat Now this is an early beta, this is beta one. Maybe this is something that will come later this summer where we can actually adjust the files like that in your finder I think I think if this is like Flawed cowork light LITE because it's not going to be able to have as much powerful interactions with your stuff, I think as Claude does Let me just talk at that point for a minute because I've heard from so many of my robot field guide customers saying What a disappointment this is and how it's not good enough. and The thing I have to say is people who are working with cllaud cooworkss, people going through this field gut are They're the ninety ninth percentile. They're the people who are like maximizing the use of artificial intelligence or productivity He should never have thought that Apple was going to release it at that level for the general public, most of people aren't going to do that The other thing is there are limits with the models. like if I give the claud most recent even the opS model, a legal contract and analyze versus giving it a Siri Cld model, I have no doubt is going to do a better job And The um so you've got some limitations with the with the model. you got some limitations with the access or what I would call reach. And that file naming is a classic example. And I think that's going to be continuing to be an issue But I think the way you need to think about this is, no, they are doing very interesting local things don't involve sending your data to anthropic servers or Gemini or O AI This is a first substantive real step I feel like if Apple is taking this as serious as I think they are It will get more reach, it will get more context. It will get better over time That doesn't mean we can all abandon our claoud cowork setups right now You know, it's just that that that's on a different plane. That doesn't mean this is not useful This episode of the Mac Power Users is brought to you by Work Brew Delliver the software your team needs securely and at scale Your developers love homebrew, but your security team, not so much That's because nobody actually knows what's installed, whereere and by whom. Homebrew is already on those Macs, ITeen just can't see it. and you can't manage what you can't see. Sw free fixes that. 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Our thanks to Work Brew for their support of the Mac Power users and Olive So we've been talking about it in relation to the native built in apps, but what are you hearing on the ground about third party apps from developers and apps? So developers are excited, but one of the things that I realized using Siri AI is when I asked Siri about My son's interview or any contextual type question It had no awareness of my five thousand bear notes And if your email is only an outlook or Gmail, Siri has no context for that Now in this AI coork CodeEx world, many companies have adopted MCP and CLIs very quickly. You know, so Bear has a claed coowork MCP, as does Fastmail All these companies added it quickly. But the question will be, will they do this for Siri? Now I think apps like Bear thingsings, Sark. I'm sure these apps want to be there on day one. when I was twenty seven launches, so they can say Y entire email history, it's in your context and you can ask questions about it will surface the emails and there arere tools for developers to do that. I am less optimistic about some of the larger players Like, will Gmail? willill the Gmail app build its context features into Siri AI will meta, probablyably not. you know, like people's DMs and Instagram, there's a lot of information there And one of the things that would make a universal search the most useful is when you say, I don't know if this information that I received was a text message, an email, an Instagram DM if it was A threads DM, a mastodon message So there are places in this context that are still missing. Now for most for vast majority of iPhone users, not power users like us I think the Stock contextual awareness will be enough because most people just use notes, reminders, stock mail, and they're good There is just one degree away from that like in the corporate world If you're required to use the oututlook app on your iPhone for your work email And you can't have that in the stock mail app W they willill Microsoft build something into that outlook app to give Siri access to the data there And I'm not sure. I'm not sure how quickly that will come. Well, I mean, some of those companies have a vested interest in not making the Apple platform as sticky So why would they Netflix won't even let you search. with the Apple TV app, you know? So it's I think that The answer is probably not. That's one of the reasons why I kind of hoped Apple would adopt MCP model context protocol because that's like a getet out of jail free card to allow Siri to talk to everything because they all have MCPs already or foot I also kind of understand in hindsight, if I was Ale to say, I'm not sure I want to give over control to the anthropic open source MCP on my platform and maybe they'll just see how it goes. likeike if If it becomes a wasteland and nothing but Apple apps work with it, then they're going to have to rethink it. But I do I'm also optimistic about Apple really pushing the idea of vibe coding and agentic stuff. And I'll talk about some features in a minute. But one of the briefings we got was a Mac AI demo. And this was a room with four stations basically. One with shortcuts, which we' talk about. onene had draw thingsings and AI image generation app One head Pxity computer was actually there showing off their app. But the one that was I think most interesting was LM Studio which is a Mac app where you can download local AI models to your Mac and run it inside they had. I was envious of the setup, David Four Mac stududios Maxed out Okay yeah Yeah, the b you can't buy anymore. The model you can't buy anymore. They got four of these things. And the way LM Studio works is you can set up them you can set them up as a cluster Each Mac studio is connected to all the others All the thunderbolt ports are used on each one. So two terabytes of RAM. That's exactly. Yeahah. So there's two terabytes of RAM and the founder of LM stududio was actually there doing the demo He's like we're going to download this open source model and we're going to give it some super complex stuff and it's like all local And I asked, can you use this powerful local model in something like X code And sure enough, you can. He said, You can go into the LM Studio app. You can add an additional connector in Xcode where you have openp AI and Clawed. You can also add a custom connector and you can add LM Studio as that Meaning you can use these massive AI models locally on device, so they are super fast Use zero tokens, need no internet access, and it can still help you code and X code, and you can still do all the things even so much as the LM Studio guys have an app on their phone And you can call back to your Mac studio setup at home and send it requests working in parallel with other requests you already have going. And I was like, it blew my mind. I know Federico Fici spent like an hour down there asking questions about all that kind of stuff, But it was extremely impressive. but also just the fact that Apple had them there demoing Mac AI So evident that Apple is embracing The vibe coding nature, this new frontier where you get to build your apps your safari extensions and your shortcuts with natural language Well I mean, it's such a business interest for Apple. They have these M chips that are to do AI work And They were one of the only games in town where it's unified memory and All the pieces are there so long as the supply chain gives them enough chips where Apple could become the platform of choice for this kind of stuff. There's YouTube channels already where people are doing that that two terabyte setup and doing demos, but you know, the M five run circles around the M three for AI. Can you imagine when somebody does a setup like that with two terabytes of M fivees It's going to be nuts. It's a shame the crisis is gone right now because I feel like Apple probably could have gone out, just blown it out and done like M five ultra one terabyte of memory. like it would have been nuts And like I was just talking to one of my labs members who I didn't even realize it was possible, using local models to drive Devin Think because Devin Think can attach to a to an LLM to do like file naming, sorting and just other work for you you can to a local model too. and this is another example. It's just a Mac user. It's got enough RAM You download a decent sizeed model, you connect it to Dev and think It's doing all the thinking for you without sending your files up to anthropy. And That I think is the clear future for Apple. That's why I am so bully about them like really putting the gas down on this. You know, I don't think this was the lip service here. I think that next year they're going to have even more stuff. and You know, this stuff will evolve Absolutely. And some of the features I want to call out that I think really point to this agentic vibe coding nature, you build your own saafari extension is incredible This is something that yeah Okay talk about that because they just said it in passing And I'm like, what? What did they just say? It's amazing. And so we got demos on this in several briefings, but basically on any of your Apple devices. So this works on iPhone, iPad, or your Mac Let's say you want an extension and this is something I did in a video just earlier today If you want an extension that tells you the resolution of an image on a website, You can go in and say create an extension Natural language prompts, just tell it what you want One It will actually show you apppp store results for extensions that might do what you want So Apple will still show developers who actually made real apps to say, these apps do that. Do you want to download one of those? But if not, just click create And it will Create this extension just for you, you can live in the toolbar of Safari. and I clicked the extension for the image size, hovered my mouse over an image And I see the pixel resolution right there It was seconds long. And I just vibe coded a safari extension It's wild you know, it's locked to the device, you know, so you can't share the extension nor does it snink across your devices. It is very much your device, but that it blew my mind, David Like it's awesome That's amazing. And in addition, there's now a notify me feature in Safari. where if you're tracking something that's in stock and out of stock or you want to track the price of something on Amazon That's now a built in safari feature This is something where I used change detection. io with pushcut before And now I can just tell Safari, notify me when this price changes And you will get that notification even if Safari is not open or if you force quit it, it will send you that notification when it detects a change. And I'm like, that's an agentic type task that I might have used Claud on a schedued task or cowork Or maybe I would have done a push cut type thing with a third party service and now it's just building a safari. I't blew my m That's how I got my unified travel router clogedone told me it was for sale. Ione bought it whichich can I just say side note The unify travel router is amazing And I've been using it all week. It's literally running right now as we are recording this episode I love that thing so much. it's amazing. Maybe that's our more power is. Okay, we'll talk about that. we'll talk about that because it was it's the first time I've actually got to use it so I'll save it. But all of that plus the describe a shortcut. I mean, this was rumored before. and This was really impressive. I actually got to nerd out with people during a briefing, spent a little extra time there We're putting it to the test. and one There are places where it might falter. But again, this is an early beta, all of that. Federico Vici was trying to do some really complex Prompts with it And Apple was saying Don't Give it like a three page prompt And which, you know, even if you want a complex shortcut, Don't give it all the instructions verbatim Just tell it what you want the. Dcribe the result, not proble.be describe what you best way to work with AM. And so once I heard that, I was curious, will it be able to build a shortcut for me that uses an external API And I was I didn't think it would be able to. So I asked it wrrite a shortcut that uses the anthropic API where I can send a simple request And I get the answer back from Claude and just show it. showh me the answer David This whole thing contents of URL action was correct. I only know because I built this shortcut manually and it took me a long time because there's embedded dictionaries and JSON that it has to parse dictionary values that it has to pull after dictionary values and it nailed it Now, step wise, that's like a four action shortcut. complex get contents of URL and a couple dictionary actions after it. But the fact that it could do that with API information And I asked them like searching the API documentation for this information? like how does shortcuts know the dictionary values to pull through this And I didn't get a clear answer on that, but I was very impressed that it was able to do it one shot. D didnn't need anything extra Yeah, I had a similar experience testing it on mine. the basic shortcuts, the stuff that I think ninety nine percent of the people who are going to use this feature, it works great for. you know, like, you know, make me a text message to do this when that happens or you know Most people are not feder Rico, right? Most people are getting in shortcuts at a very basic level and asking to put two blocks together is a lot and it is going to take care of those people Turning it up a notch. I said, well make one that generates a random David Bowie song quote, lyric quote that seent it to my daughter. and It did that, but it used Apple intntelligence just to go search, you know for, which I thought was kind of a clever answer because in the old days, I'd be looking for a website and URL action, you know, like the old days, you didn't have AI to bail you out. And I found that a lot of the things I was asking, it would ultimately just fall back to AI and just say, go find this thing for him The only time it broke for me was when I tryed to make an extensive daily briefing. I gave it like five different things to do and the way it broke was it tried to put all that into one AI request, which of course was a cont a context overload. and it couldn't get me an answer. And if it broke them up into pieces, it would have probably worked Exactly. 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And you can use the link, let them know you came from this show That's mercuryweather d. app slash mPU. try it out, getet all the standard features for free Thanks to Mercury Weeather for their support of this show and all of relay So in addition to the AI model action for shortcuts. There's now a clloud and Cloud Pro and they use models action, which is interesting. And I'm curious that Cloud Pro it says thinking reasoning and it's private cloud compute. I want to be experimenting with that But a couple big changes to shortcuts. Automations have been reedone where there's not an automation tab Specifically, there's an automations area like in the full library, but automation just you can You put ' them in a shortcut, however you want. You build a shortcut And then if you put an automation trigger at the beginning of that shortcut, it becomes an automation And there are some new automation triggers like connecting a keyboard, which is pretty cool Also Well, the big one is notifications where if you a third party notification comes in, you can trigger an automation from that and even pull the title, subject, and message from that notification. So for instance, you set write out all as input So you can set up an automation that says when I get a notification from Instacart The notification body includes the word arriving flash my lights in my smart home. or send a message to my intercom across all my home pods that Instacart is arriving. That's something I know a lot of my community members have asked for. party notifications triggering an automation, and we have that, which is amazing. A couple things we didn't get and I made these requests while I was there was hourly automations, the most you can automate something is daily Still. So you can have an automation run every hour. Even if you ask the shortcut to do it, like, hey, run a shortcut every every hour it won't do it And event triggers. I was really hoping for event triggers. where when there's an event on your calendar, it will something you know, automate that And that goes back to automator on the Mac and Apple Script. I mean that that's been something that we could do on the Mac for a long time And that would make it so much easier because people just want to like be able to do a focus mode when an event starts. And there's this suggestion on the lock screen, but that's not the same as actually automating it, hardcoding it, alsoso changing your silence mode on your iPhone, maybe change always on display when an event starts There's a lot there that you could do with an event style automation that just wasn't there but a couple of other really fun actions You can now store data in shortcuts, so there's new storage actions So this is something you might have used data jar before or I've hacked to like reminders lists to keep stuff. You can just store data and even make things global variables that sync across all your devices So you can save like API keys for anthropic in your global variables and it's available across Shortcuts on all your devices and it's built in to the Shortcuts app, which is great We're going to have Feder Rico on in a future show, but I read that we also can get elsif automation or functions That's a game changer. I mean, it's something that's needed forever Game changer. And so rather than having to embed multiple if statements, one right after the other, you can add in addition to the otherwise in an if statement You can add an otherwise if And so you can have kind of those multi step conditionals for that. that's pretty sweet. That's pretty sweet Do can we talk about photos for a second Yeah. Let see that. So this was a big This is a big thing here and there's varying push back on this. so I'm curious your thoughts on it. We had photo cleanup with Apple Intelligence for the last two years And they're enhancing cleanup where you can choose a model. So when you do clean up and you want to remove a subject You can choose fast or thinking basically, The fast model is on device, the thinking is in the cloud So you can actually do cleanu locally if you wanted to. And then there's also the extend and the reframing. The extend one is really interesting. You can crop like recrop the photo or uncrop however you want And AI, Apple intntelligence will generate whatever's around you. That's interesting. That's I mean, full on generation, like it's generating stuff And then there's the change perspective one where you can go into a photo creates a spatial scene, basically And then you can drag your finger and move the subject like as though you're rotating around them And you are changing the perspective of the photo And if you change it so much, I took a picture of Kanooppsi. He's a great YouTuber There was like a plant behind him and he's standing in front I went into those spatial reframing. I changed the perspective so I would see more of the plant behind him. And when I did the initial preview There's just nothing. The plant is like gone. because there was no plant in the original photo because he was covering it And once I click generate generated the plant. so there was a full plant behind him. Now I'm curious how you feel about that? S people were like, wow, Apple's doing AI slop or whatever I don't know if I put that in saf category No, me either. I think it's I think it's useful. like the the u Africa, what you call the one where they expand around Eend, extend Extend There's there's a common problem. You take a picture of somebody, you want to put them on your lock screen photos in the wrong you know, the wrong proportions So you need to add above and below or whatever. I was doing one of me my wife and it was interesting We were at Disneyland, as you do, but the picture cut off at our waist and it went down below. I did not have a picture of my pants in that in that Patri they had cut it off just above my belt But there were other pictures of me in that series of me wearing blue jeans. and The extended put blue jeans and the brown belt on that I was wearing So I'm thinking It must be looking at you know, pictures in series to figure out what to fill in, which I thought was impressive then my hand had a watch on it, but it wasn't my watch and my wedding ring was gone because my hand hanging down below my waist was not in the picture. So it added my hand made me an unmarried man and uh put a fancy watch on me. And it was just kind of weird, right? Um I think that's okay, you know, I honestly do. There was the famous controversy a few years ago where one of the Android phones, when you took a picture of the moon, it literally just drew the moon in. It wasn't the moon you were looking at And that to me went over a line somehow But adding my hand with a watch and my blue jeans doesn't And I guess for each one of us, this is a different story. But I've been experimenting with it. The reframe When I saw the demo, I said, that will be really impressive if it works, you know, you always wonder. And now that I've got to use it, it works. like the same photos shoot, there was a picture of us and and that The tree, you know, we gave the phone to somebody who took a picture of us and the tree was growing rrou at the top of her head, you know If you don't frame the picture right, you're not careful So I was able to rotate to put the tree just over her shoulder and then picture looked way better because of it. and Yeah, I think this is interesting. But when you do the reframe and you commit to it blurry areas around the image that weren't in the image and it does a generative process to draw that in. It drew the tree in, it put the leaves in. it generally matched. maybe if you really pixel peep, you would find evidence that it was genererative at some point. But for most of us, I think and for the kind of intended purpose, I think it's just fine Yeah, I want to show an example. I got to meet Bridget Carerey. She does video at Sen it. She's been there for a long time. It was awesome to finally meet her So we took a quick selfie. And this is post extension Yeah. And gang, this will be in the show notes fores for I know most of you aren't watching YouTube. fine. just look at the show notes. We'll have them in there. I'll put the before and after pictures in it. Yeah. This is the after photo first. And so I already have run this through the extend But one thing I want to point out in the back right There's like someone in a red shirt Walking by. And if I go into actually edit this photo and revert it to the original, You will see that that person It wasn't there and I have to I'll revert it and then put that in the show notes But it somehow generated this person wearing a red shirt. And I don't know where it got it from And it also extended my arm and extended her arm because that wasn't in the original photo. And it was just it was a little bizarre, like what it chose to do there. Stephven, you are looking sharp, buddy Thank you I appreciate it. good. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, but that's funny. So now you've got to use You got to go back and use cleanup to pick up the artifacts, the people that the other AI tool add it Yeah, and honestly, I'm a little worried now because I can't get back to my original. So hopefully all these betas have not messed. Welcome to Betas. This to Betas. This is the beta issue, but anyway, it was it was interesting and I'll try to find both of those put in the show notes, but I don't put this in the slop category ither And I think you can overdo it. And like that picture of me with my fake watch and stuff is kind of weird. but I think it would have served the purpose if I wanted a picture in a different portrait style. Um U just I think a point that you raise out of this is just the general Apple AI philosophy Because I'm at the sharp end of the stick, I'm all in with frontier models and MCPs and wiring things up to make the thing really go and do my bidding for me. but That's not the case for most of the world And I think the focus they brought here in addition to the model stuff and the Siri app that we talked about, which is kind of in the neighborhood of what I like to do. They also really focused on just bringing in usable features like, you know, much improved dictation Yes, that's an absolute win that everybody will benefit from the u, you know, the better Siri voices just a bunch of little things in here where AI is showing up just to make existing tools work better And you know, I'm a fan of that. I'm glad they're putting effort into that . This episode of Mac Power Uers is brought to you by Squarespace. Squarespace is the all in one website platform designed to help you stand out and succeed online. But I'm going to tell you something different. I'm going tell you what I've been doing with my Squarespace site because I've been vibe HTML coding, if that's a thing, and more and more of the pages on my Squarespace website because they're so customizable I can ask Claude for a little bit of code here and there. and I made a great bio site. 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It is all built into the spotlightine So if you start typing a request, If it's a longer request It'll just say, this looks like a Si AI request and we'll do that If it's shorter, like you're just trying to launch an app, My luck has been pretty good with that. But I've also run into some things where I had a typo. I wanted to open iPhone mirroring on my Mac And because I had a typo It didn't open the app specifically started a Siri request and it gave me a bizarre I don't even know what it thought it was answering a request from me And so how how do you feel? about those two things being in one place And I'm just curious because I'm not sure how I feel about it I can see both sides of it. I have got it installed on this computer. I've been using it a little bit, but we're very early in the process I think the reason for it is they want it to surface for normal users. If you can make them push a different keyboard shortcut for Siri, then they just won't use Siri. So I understand why they're doing it. If you do that, if you try to simplify and suddenly it makes everything less stable. then you failed. Right. And you know, we're early in the beta process. We'll just have to wait and see, but Using a model, it should be able to tell at the end whether you wanted the iPhone mirroring app or to do a Siri request, regardless of whether you got the text strike if you made a typo. and if it doesn't do that, then then that's a failure Somebody didn't do their job One funny example I would wanted to share with you, I wanted to see unclear how far in the indexing process Siri AI was. so it might not have gotten to all of my Apple notes yet But I wanted to see know about our MPU guest note, or Apple note that we share for potential guests And so I just asked Siri AI What are some guest ideas for Mac P users And somehow It thought that I meant gift ideas for Mac Power users inststeadally just ideas. You gonna give me a gift, S?. I guess so. And I'm gonna get you a twenty twelve iMac because that's what SiriA I suggest. Oh my gosh. I suggested a twenty twelve iMac with a big chin. It also recommended, I thought this was interesting Some gift ideas for a Mac Power user are productivity apps like Alfred or Raycast, Bartender, Hazel bunch of random stuff, maybe a thunderbolt. Yeah all the h. It knows. it knows even a Thunderbolt dock, something that you've been using recently S app is one of the recommendations and one password there at the bottom. Look at that. and backflazays Yeah It does make you think about like we, so just a little behind the scenes We run the show out of a notion database, but Stehven and I are both Ale guys. We made a shared note when we first partnered up and We've got a list of people in there that we may want to guess some day this would make that more sticky for me to be able to just say to to the lady, Hey, you know, I think so and so would be a great guest. addd it to the list could contextually do that for me, I think that would be really nice. Same And there's a lot of little things where I know Mac can transcribe audio. You know, there's a shortcut action. I could drop an audio file in an App note And it will transcribe audio, no problem So one of the things I tried to do was two finger click on an MP three file, the recording of the Tech talkalk Howazette And I asked Siri Can you transcribe this file? And unfortunately, it said, I can't transcribe audio files directly. And that's one of the things where this might get better over time. these might be feature addeditions in future years. But it's like you have all of these things like you havees And like I basically had to end up dragging the MP three file into an Apple Note and then transcribe it. because one of these Yeah, it's just You know, hopefully Si can do stuff like that and then take actions on the multiple things This sera up on On Mac, one, you can pin conversations to the top, which is nice You can view a grid or list, but you can drag files and photos into new conversations and then ask questions about it And I think You know, I think about The first times that you started using ChatyPT on the mac You know, I had the Mac app, I would drag files into it, ask a questions And it started, you know, impressing me about what it can do that maybe ChadBT app from a year or two years ago, this Siri AI app feels like that which I think it's going to for a lot of people. surface these powerful features for them to say, oh, I can just do this. And for me, like I have Claude and Coda, I have everything on this MacBook But that Siri AI app is really fast. It's really native. And I even just asked simple questions like For primary Tch, we start every episode with a movie quote So I just ask Siri AI, Hey, what are some movie quotes about this And it gave me a bunch of real world knowledge answers and they were pretty good. And I had follow up questions And I think if people it's going to be an uphill battle for Apple in the mind space of culture. people do start talking to the Siri AI and voice like they do with Chat GPT. I think they could slowly start moving people over and winning them back. Having them convinince that Siri can be a personal assistant for real now. It's not fakeaking even if you are not convinced like The stuff I do with c workk is so far advanced over this type of work. but Everything I do with coork costs money And and cost privacy Rrand Like if there are pieces of what I do that I can do with Siri that I don't have to pay anthropic for and I don't have to give them this information I want to adopt that And that's where I'm going to be enjoying in this beta kind of testing those limits. What are the pieces of my workload that don't have to go to anthropic and don't have to go through, you know, the toll booth And I think frankly, there are going to be some that that are that And And in some ways, Siri has better context than Anthropic does because it has all my email and it has all this stuff So It's just going to be interesting to y always plays out. I really like I've said this too many times on the show already, but I feel like this is The first substantive step And I think they know their survival hinges on them taking second, third, fourth, fifth steps. And I'm very curious to see where this all goes. Yeah And I appreciate, you know Apple is showing you the sources that it's pulling information. So even in like a regular request, you can tap under the answer. you can see the websites that it pulled this information from, whether it was a YouTube video, IMDB, whatever it is. You know, they're not hiding any of that. They're not making it hard to see where this information came from And you know also that kind of the child safety thing. My kids used ChAGPT periodically for just whatever. My middle son asked it to like help him build a workout routine. and that was really useful But the hesitancy of parents, and this might be why Apple made such a big deal about it during this keynote Giving your kid unfettered access to Chat GPT There's risks there, just from maybe the content that it pulls up. There's also image generation tools in there And You just bad advice. Bad advice And you know, opening eye has been in trouble in a couple of lawsuits because of what it told people to do And so for parents to be able to say, you know what? you actually don't need the ChatUPT app My eleven, twelve, thirteen year old, if you have some questions, you need to do some research and you're just looking for sources, you just want to maybe summarize something and just being able to do that You can just do it with a Siri AI app. And one of the things I did recently just earlier today was I wanted to figure out what features for Pad are uniquely for iPad this year and not iPhone or Mac So like what are the unique iPad OS twenty seven features And as reiew as media, you get like these PDF guides And so I just gave the Si AI app that PDF guide, and then I asked it questions. I said, Hey, can you tell me what in this guide is specifically iPad and not iPhone or Mac And David, it did a great job. It g me like it gave me like seven to eight bullet points. I'm looking at it right now, key iPad specific features And just as a personal like preference It's I like the tone that the Siri AI app is giving me. You know, sometometimes Chatiy can be syycophantic, cllawed AI can seem a little arrogant sometimes or just they try to inject personality in there maybe because they think customers want it. But actually just like kind of the even keel, here's the information that Siri AI is giving me. And again, I might just lean to using the Siri AI app most of the time. I'm very curious to see how it plays out. We're early in the beta process We've got some guest book to talk about some of these beta features during the beta season Steve and I are going to be perfecting workflows on it, so you're going to get more on that from the Mac powerower users. We got a fun two or three months ahead of us as this thing works its way through beta But they did it, you know, um We gave them a very hard time the last two years, deservedly so for making promises they couldn't keep. but The checks have cashed and Siri doesn't suck. It's not. It's the real deal. It's the real deal. And Joanna Stern at the live talk show last night. she gave examples where she she was the guest with John Gruber. She forgot when she was supposed to get to theater. She was running the beta on her iPhone. And so she just asked Siri, when was I supposed to get to the theater And it went, found the text from John Gruber, told her what time she needed to be there. And she was genuinely impressed. And she had several examples during the show. And so like it's good. Like it's of all these years iPhone four S when Siri first launched. 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