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It's time for Mac break weekly Jason Sneell is back. Andyianakes here. Christina Warren to. Tim Cook says price hikes are on the way, but how much and How soon we'll also talk about mysterious game code that's showing up in the Vision Pro And why you might want to be careful next time you use your beats, headphones, all that and more coming up next weekly Podcasts you love from people you trust. This is Tit This is Mac Break Weekly, episode one thousand thirty recorded Tuesday june twenty third, twenty twenty six. Impulse pork Lomain. It's time for MacBreak Weekly, the show we cover the latest Apple News. Let's say hello everybody to our MacBreak Weekly panel. Now with Jason Snnell. Hello everybody. It's good to be back. I missed you all. Why are you wearing a Whare's Waldo shirt? Well, you found me. Good job. get a toutsi roll. Wh Good job. I did have a we have a Wareres Walel con. This is the I'm wearing a soccer jersey because it's the World Cup and I went to the World Cup and I had a lot of fun. I went to a match with countries that I am not affiliated with in any way, but it was available on a weekend in my local area and we had a great time. And I am wearing the jersey of my national team, which is playing their best ever Yay. Yes, they are. And as a longtime reader of the classic blog UniWatch and be interested in uniform design, I also am very excited that I think the US has a jersey that isn't bad for the first time. and decades So I enjoy it. I know about one of the old jerseys, but I have to say that when they ran on the field the first time Lisa said, Are they prisoners I love it. Christina Warren is also here from the GitHub. Hello, Christina. Hello, Leo. I do not have any soccer merch on, but you know what I'm I'm rooting for Go go team, right? I'm I'm going go go team. go go team or actually go all no actually no, Elmo got in trouble for that. likeike he because he he he was not aatter. So exactly. So no, so go go team USA. but I don't, I don't know when anyone is playing, but enjoy everyone's fine. They're doing they're doing fine, Christina,. Yeah. they play even without you, they're doing okay Also here, mister Andy Inako the Major Domo of I think that's what you call a webmaster these days of Eoto dot com Hello. Yeah Major I am wearing a black cap with no Red Sox logo on it in honor of the Red Sox being virtually mathematically eliminated in post season play before the All Star H. I need a giants hat like that. It's June., that's almost impressive. Some seasons some seasons you just know, the smell hits like by Memorial Day and you're like, yeah, it's over already. we' basically basically it's it's a gift If you ever thought, you know what? I'd love to go see the see the sox play, but who can get a ticket in this in this month or no, you can just basically walk in. They'll wave you on in Actually, like to hear the crowd noise I know you can lear that socks are winning or losing Fenway' a great place too. It really a game. I really Eespecially when you have Scots there. againg there Oh and the Scots there they took over the place. In there kilts And their're crazy songs, their're hot soccer hooligan songs Uh no, you didn't tune in ESPN by accident. This is actually Nack Break Weekly and not World Cup We weekly World Cup weekly. It's hard, you know, it's funny I fall in love with soccer every four years. And then Shortly after the finals, I fall back out of love and it is the it is the highlight of the soccer calendar. exciting. And it's very exciting. and it is kind of hard to. I mean, it is it is the peak. Although this is the men's tournament the women's tournament will be next year. That's also a good time. But But yeah, international soccer. this is this is as good as it gets, I think. So ye ye. although now I think I should start watching the Premier League because half the players are from the Permier Yeah it's the best best on the planet, best on the planet. But you know, you don't get to see Cape Verde That's in in the Pmier League, but you get these same here or Kuraco. Yeah It's a lot more fun when you're not emotionally invested in the outcome. This is so true genuinely. like Id love being That's called being a neutral and it is a thing in soccer. It's good to be a neutral. No, sometimes it's just like because here's the thing, I get into certain sports. soccer, I'm gonna to be honest with you is not one of them, but I get into certain sports, but only in the post season because I just don't have the commitment to care up until that point But then I get really into it Like I could be like friends of mine who are really into soccer and really into the World Cup keep sending me memes and information about stuff. and I see the appeal. and I'm like, okay, I have no emotional attachment to any of this, but if you're excited and if I can get a good storyline I'm in. is this is great. It was like watching the Kicks win. Yes, one hundred percent. We all became fans, right? Yeah. I was actually invested there, but yes, that's it's one hundred percent Yeah Um, okay Let's talk Apple. Tim Cook began what I consider I think is going to be a campaign. to let everybody know the drum's going to slowly beat louder and louder that it's going to cost more this fall Yes. gave an exclusive interview to the Wall Street Journal Apple to raise prices due to memory chip crunch, Tim Cook says Could I just say that this is like as I was reading this, there all of us who read like who read and report on the news, there are levels that escalate as you read a story. and It's like If it's a rumor from a rumor site, okay, interesting if true. If it is an unsourced article from the Wall Street Journal, okay, that's serious because that was probably a deliberate leak from Apple. If it is a sourced story from a high Apple executive, now you're like, oh my God, this could be important. And then when you check your watch and you realize that this dropped after the market closed for the day You're like, o dear, this is really a thing. I'm just I'm just amazed they didn't hold it until Thursday because then they would have the markets were clos for like the federal holiday weekend. Holiday It would have been Yeah. I also can I just say, I feel almost weirdly psychic because I brought this up this very topic at the end of our show last week where I literally said I don't know, guys. arere they going to be able to keep the prices the way that they are? I have a feeling they're going to have to raise prices. And no, no, no, no, they'll be fine. They'll be fine Okay, you were right. I don't like being wrong. I don't like being right here, but this is I want to be very clear on that. this this is very upsetting. but I just thought the timing was funny. And here I'm speaking to all the listeners who are too lazy to actually check the recording. I supported you last week because I was the only one. And I'm very, very proud to have done so. So you know, I think obviously when when the well Apple goes and as you say, Andy, it goes on the record to the Wall Street Journal, it's clearly to send a message five PM on Wednesday after as you point out, after the market closes U they're they're saying, look, get ready And I have a feeling we'll see more interviews over the next few months as we lead up to September, but how expxpensive can it be? The journal actually did some math. I think they said The new iPhone could cost as wait minute. am I reading this correctly as two thousand two hundred bucks No, I'm sorry, one thousand two hundred and ninety nine bucks Okay We did the and that's the pro. That's eightenthcent. says Nicole Wen and Rolf Winkler U on why the iPhone eighteen Pro costs twelvellars ninety nineents. That's what? three hundred bucks more. two hundred two hundred bucks more. Okay. Yeah That's about what I'd expect, a couple hundred bucks more. Right, which is what that's an eighteen percent increase. And then if you live in a state with high sales tax like California or Washington or New York, then you get to add another ten percent to that Um, so, u Yeah The u u head of nothing Pay said memory was going to be about half the cost of the phone going forward So it's a it's that's a huge price job. It's not that way according to the journal in the iPhone Of the twelve niney nine one hundred and forty five bucks. be the memory cost, but that's up for thirty nine bucks. So that sounds like Apple's absorbing some of the. extra cost in the I should hope so. I should hope so. I mean, you're the richest you're one of the richest companies in the world in terms of cash. You have margins on margins on margins. You can absorb this. I'm not saying that you have to do it forever U, but L, I think where I'm personally concerned is that what does this like it's one thing if you have an existing, you know, share of class of devices, You know, you have an iPhone air, you have an regular iPhone, you have an iPhone proro and a Pro Max And if you're going to increase those by one hundred or two hundred dollars, you know per thing, that's significant, but you can probably find a way within your own accounting and to cover that up where I do get very concerned is when you look at the Remored MacBook Ultra, you look at the Remored iPhone ultra. These are brand new device categories, which means that no one knows what they were going to cost, right? Except for Apple. So none of us knew what they were going to cost. My prediction had been before all of this starting at nineteenars ninety nine and then probably going one hundred do or two hundred dollars up there depending on storage Now I mean, they very could easily just be like it's starting at twenty four dollars ninety nineents. And laptop cost It is. and the laptops, I mean, if you're talking about you know the high end, you know, ultra laptop with the touchs screen and you know everything else I don't even know where that's going to start. thirty thousand five dollars ninety nine, thir thousand nine doars ninety nineents. I don't know. And that's the thing is that that's an area where and this was part of I think what I was thinking a little bit last week, I was hoping that it wouldn't go to the regular models, but I really was concerned. I was like, okay, if they have to make up their margin, they're going to make it up in the new device categories where they can completely fleece everyone because they don't have. Well I mean, look sheer. How about sheer no I see what you mean. Yeah. I mean I mean look, again, I'm not saying I don't want like the company to be able to make a profit, but they're the ones who are insisting on making sure that they keep their profit margins above a thirty, thirty five percent, you know, threshold. H' past two years Conspiracy theory from Geeking Tom on our club Twit, It sets the stage for Turnist to drop the price later that's the thing I'm kind of afraid of that they are going to find out that particularly with the higher end models that you know what? Maybe it was because every phone by every maker is going up for the same reason, but we have realized that it didn't lead more people to decide to drop down to the eighteen nothing. Maybe there is more elasticity in the price than we thought. And when the price goes down, it will not go down by the original two dollars. It will go down by maybe one dollars Right And may nice put No The journal's math is interesting because the ten ninety nine iPhone seventeen Pro, the current model a had estimated forty seven percent profit margin That's almost half. If they do raise it twelve ninety nine c, again, these are all estimates. Nody Apple doesn't tell anybody. And so a lot of this comes from an analyst at Memory Insights, Tom Howard Uh, but or Mike Cow, I'm sorry at tech insights, but he he says the if they do raise at twelve ninety nine, that would be roughly a forty four percent profit. So that's only slight difference from the original. Now that doesn't include The new camera, which Ming ChiQuo says will be fifty percent more than the previous camera U so that could even increase it in another the journal says hundred dollars to thirteen I mean, the good thing about Apple having these huge margins other than the fact that it means they make a lot of money and investors are happy, of course. Yes, yes, yes, profits. Okay is it gives them latitude to make strategic decisions about how where where they want to eat margin and where they don't. because I'm sure that when it comes to the next quarterly result, after these products come out They're going to, you know, they have to release their profit margin numbers and Wall Street loves to see them and loves to see them be big. And they're going to have to manage that, even if they're already, I mean, obviously this is the first salvo in a managing of expectations that is going to be going on for the next six months with Wall Street. But it does mean that they can be strategic and eat margin in certain places and not in others. hold down some some of the opening prices at the bottom of the line so that they can they can do the classic marketing bit of saying starting at eleven do ninety nine cents or twelve doars ninety nineents, But as you you know increase the specs and maybe even the RAM of the of the systems The margins go up. to and and they they, you know, they can do that. I think that that is one of their great strengths is that they've got that latitude to say on this particular skeU It's strategic to us. likeike them let's take the MacBook Neo. like B Neo, the price is so important that I'm not saying they won't raise the price, but I'm saying they have the latitude to maybe down on it, whether it's not raising it or only raising it by a smaller amount And the existing MacBook No, I mean, we already talked about this with the chips. they're not getting a fifty percent margin on that thing, right? Like because they chose to strategically. So they can do that across their line if they want. Now what's going to be interesting is to see how that manifests because we don't know actually what their strategy is here. And while they're not going to break out margin by product category, we're going to be able to see what the price changes are and that might tell us something about how they have prioritized their product line in terms of sort of strategically offering prices that they think are okay in some places because keep in mind Some percentage of Apple's audience is That's sensitive to price and that's always been the case. And when the iPhone ten came out and they started raising the price of iPhones and finding out that for a certain part of their audience, They didn't care. They're happy to pay more to get the best iPhone or the best Apple product. So ye they they they've got some strategy to work out here given the constraint that they've got. Yeah. And strateic strategic is a good way to operate here because One of the things that works out for them is that they can cut their profit margins while still being profitable, which means that in lots of as the premium smartphone market becomes more and more competitive, they have the ability to project out and say, you know what? We're going to accept lower profit margins for the next year and a half because it's going to hurt all of our competitors who cannot afford to keep the prices low or not raise them as much as we're going to raise raise them less than we are going to raise them. So in a market where they're losing where they feel as though they're feeling some pressure from like Huawei, where they're feeling pressure from Samsung from other makers, if the if the top tier Equivalent to the pro, Samsung or Huawei phone is now two hundred and fifty dollars more expensive, but the top tier iPhone is only one hundred dollars more expensive. That works all to the good. And Apple doesn't have to Apple is not going to be attacked for Oh, waya, you're basically losing money to gain market share. No, we're not. We're just we're just cutting our mark to get to help our customers through this crisis, we're only accepting a paltry thirty three percent profit margin. And if that means that now we are the cheapest high end luxury market premium smartphone in the market Case Salai. Apple's kind of stuck though between a rock and a seri place because In order to do the new Siri AI, they need a lot of RAM. They cannot They're going to have to do twelve gigs So this means that they're going to go, it's almost a three hundred fifty percent increase in memory price Incidentally, storage prices are also going up by three X So your NAN costs also go up U I don't I don't think the new AI requires a lot of storage Well, I guess you have to have those models, but I don't think you have to bump the storage bike They're already giving him two hundred and fifty six giges, I think. I wonder about that too that U arere they changing the specs around to maybe You know, sometimes they have high end models that have more RAM and they don't ever talk about RAM, but it's there, right? They just don't want to talk about it. But the other thing is Leo, you know They may vary because they do so much varying on storage and not RAM. And even though we all know that RAM is the bigger problem in terms of price storage is an issue too, but RAM is the big problem. Do doesnn't mean that they won't use the storage as the leverage to get people to pay them more, right? They they may take more of a bath on the low configuration and then as you crank the storage up, they crank their margins up. They've done that all along. even And nobody's going to say, I mean, we might say, but nobody's going to say, wait a second, why are you cranking up the margins on the storage when it's the RAM that cost more and there's the same amount of RM. It's like, that's not even a conversation. It's just it costs more That's just how it is and that's how they recoup their their margin. The disappointing thing with all of this is that there was this very brief window where even before the current kind of ramp hop clipse, where you had for the first time ever Apple actually in I'm not going to say a value category, but was genuinely the best bang for the buck that you could get. like the Mac mini when it was available for five doll ninety nine cents or four doars ninety nine cents if you were able to get it at a student price. And you know, the this year's iPhone eighteen or seventeen, which is one of the best iPhones they've had in years. The fact that they upgraded finally, you know, like all the MacBooks to except for the No to sixteen gigs of RAM. likeike we were finally in a place where againgain, I'm not going to say that you could make the argument, o, this is the you know, the value company, but it was the best bang for your buck company And now because of all of these issues, which to be clear are not Apple's fault, but also that Apple, I think is happy to make the maneuvers they need to make so that they can keep their profit margins Cash is going to go all out the window And that's disappointing because we had like this really nice period of time where you could buy a Mac, a very good Mac for under one thousand dollars. I don't think other than the NO, that's going to be the interesting thing I think is what does this do, especially since theyart chip production? do they hold off on anyzer two and on updating that? Like what happens to that? Be That's one of those that, you know crisis of ramen and soage and anything else be damned. product only works the price point that they're selling it at. It does not work if you raise the price two hundred dollars. That completely goes away and the entire value proposition is completely gone. So you know, which leads me to think similar to what Jason Anity said, like, okay, maybe they will take, you know it on the chin on the NEOos so that they can extract, you know, higher profit margins and other items. But yeah, I mean, you know, They've always, and I will say fleece here because this is just the truth. They have always fleeced us on storage prices. Always. Absolutely Always. there's no argument you can make with a straight face that says they have not charged. four, five, six times what their wholesale seven, eight, nine, ten times what their wholesale prices were, especially when MVe stuff storage was cheap, which it was for a long time. They were charging ridiculous prices on that I do understand now that prices are higher and that they might now have to sell closer to cost if they were to keep their prices consistent But yeah, I think that that's a very easy way and a very common way that unfortunately, all of us Apple users have become accustomed to, which is Yeah, unfortunately, you pay for as much storage as you can get because you know you will never be able to upgrade it aftermarket, but don't get four terabytes if you're not going to use it because they will charge you an obscene and frankly insulting amount of money for that. Yeah. But there's something I think is a little weird. believe this, but Mark German says that the price increases could hit the ' seventeen as well, likeike Apple when it announces itss back to school sale mightight also announce a hike in current iPhone prices.t I don't know about that. did I did read it because the idea of raising the price on an existing product versus doing an invisible price hike by removing the least expensive and the most affordable ones, That's a very, very dramatic step. I did like his observation that he was asking the question, he was asking himself the question Why now? whyy did Tim make this announcement on that Wednesday? Well, that's a good. And so his speculation, which is not totally off off the mark is that this is about the if they're doing a back to school promotion, they might need to lay the groundwork for it expect the discounts to be not quite as good as they used to be. I don't know if I don't I don't believe that they would ever do a thing where whatever they said whatever they put the on the sticker at release is going to be going up. However, it could mean that They're going to try to lure people in with now, how about we give you two pairs of AirPods and only half the discount as opposed to they what we're going give you before A lot of this a lot of this is so interesting because There's at least two new iPhones coming out where Apple could have been when they're setting the price, they could have thought that you know what? with the iPhone eighteen Pro, we are creating a brand new camera system that we can talk we can have an entire event just about the camera system, between this new sensor and the new variable aperture lens that we're putting on this Maybe it's okay if we raiseed the base price of the probe by a little bit. and I think people will pay it for that with the iPhone Ultra as a with the iPhone Ultra As Christina said, it's not the price has not been announced yet. So they could invisibly hike the price up without suffering any sort of flashback, but maybe that one too. they said, this is a brand new device. The cost of this panel is fricking insane. The engineering on the hinge is fricking insane. We were We set out hoping we could undercut the price of the Samsung fold somehow. We know we can't, as matter of fact, I think we're going to go a couple hundred bucks more expensive, but I'm sure that'll be okay And now if that were true They lost all of the wiggled room that they had in price because now they have to basically tack on another hundred dollars one hundred and fifty dollars, two hundred dollars. What's that going to do to the price? I mean when we talked about the ultra, we were always talking about how two thousand dollars feels about right. twenty thousand one hundred dollars seems like as far as they can go if the minimum buying is two thousand five hundred dollars We're talking about a super ultra niche product but they might be in a position where they can't build it and sell it for less than that right now. And I'm sure there's a lot of a lot of very, very nervous conversations and conference rooms in Kupertina right now over it The journal also asks or answers the question, why Apple's wore chest Can't win the memory war They say that Apple, which of course dominated purchases I mean pretty much own TSMC's output. you know. No longer, you know, they're competing with NVidia basically. Nvidia iss even buying more So're like they're like they're like the blanche duubois. They're saying, o, back in the day when TSMV my Beck and call, many gentlemen callars did I have and now they're just like, please, please, please always relied upon the kindness of of TSMA We're the only then Jens, they quote Jensen Wang, We're the only chip company that buys directly tens of billions of dollars of DRM fromrom all the DRM. Makers, says Jensen Wong of Nvidia, the only one Well apppple's in there probably but U So yeah, that makes sense that they they're now competing with some other whales. They were the only whale in the sea, but now there are some other whales out there and worse and worse than that, they are it's not as though, hey, if if we just write the big enough check, we'll get it. It's like there is not enough supply for everybody who wants to buy it So there's going to be there's going to be constraints. I think we're we are entering whatever happens to prices, I think that we're entering into a position where if you know that you need a new phone If you know that you need a new MacBook Go ahead and get it. Like don't don't buy something crazy that you don't you don't actually need. But if you if you basically had put money put aside and you already sort of configured it inside your head and you knew that,h, sometime in the next two or three months, I think, probably by the end of the year, I should probably this is probably a good time for me to I'll probably make that decision. No, you should do that. like I think you should do that sooner rather than later. As a matter of fact I made onn Wednesday, I made two impulse purchases. One was a pork lomain for my local market and the other was a brand new MacBook Pro. which the pork Lomain was a little less than the MacBook Pro. I thought it was Well it's like noodles Now the pork is sort of like a barbecue Yeah, think the thing is like when I say it was an unplanned purchase, but not an impulse one. It was actually already inside my cart That's exactly what like what I'm talking about where I knew that yeah, sometimesll probably let me just marinate on this for a while. likeike maybe in case there might be an expense that comes up in the next three or four weeks where I would rather shift that to the end of the year But yeah, because of most because most of my work is just pushing a cursor to the right. I didn't need like an M five Max or even M five pro. I do some four K editing. I do some Photoshop. As a matter of fact, on my two thousand M one MacBook pro, I do that just fine. So this is the first time that I maximized RAM. So I basically topped out the RAM at thirty two gigs The configuration I got has a terabyte of storage which is going to be more than enough. Interestingly enough I ordered on Wednesday and it just shipped to the store. I'm going to be picking up up at today. Whereas because I was annoyed because I thought that if I ordered on a Wednesday, I might have it by the end of the week. I checked to see like, well, now if I made the exact same order today, it's going to be a whole month before it comes in So clearly I'm not the only one who's reacting that way. Again, don't panic by. But again, this was something that I knew that by the end of the summer, certainly by the end of the year, I'm going to be buying an M five. I would not I'm not going to I don't think this is going to be an M six in my price range, my configuration worth waiting for. So I mean, it became, I got the money. It's been set aside Wh Why wait? And there could be consequences to waiting. Mostly, we've been talking about price changes to the iPhone line. We haven't been talking about price changes to the MacBook line, That's certainly, you can't assume that's going to be immune either No, I was going to say, I'm so glad you got a Mac, Andy because I was thinking about you this week end of last week and even today, I was like, Andy needs to buy a Mac now. Yeah exactly. Be because we don't know if they're going to be raising the existing prices or not. have a feeling Game console, you know, prov peopleople have done it, Apple has done it you know after the break. It're finally seeing the steam machine. Oh my good. Oh my Godd, I was gonna to say the steam machine thing is a great example, right? where valve has not said what their original price was, but we think that they but they did say to someone that it was about the same price difference about how they really raised the steam deck to what it is now. And so that's about two hundred to two hundred and fifty dollars. So you can go and say, okay, something that was going to be an eight hundred eight hundred fifty dollars console now being tenars seventy nine cents before you get a controller involved you know, which I almost immediately when I saw the price and that I was like, okay, I'm out. I wanted it, but I can't justify a PC as cool as it is that is, you know, in many ways less powerful than my PS five. this, especially when I have other ways to play games and I have other computers. But the pricing is the pricing. So there is precedent for that, but I was concerned when I saw German's report, I was like, oh, okay, Andy, please buy your laptop now. Be I have a feeling that what' happen is that retailers who have a lot of inventory will potentially even take advantage of the fact that they have that inventory at the price they have it at if they need to run sales or anything else for back to school. And then But yes, I mean, I think we can't expect Like I said, the Halcyon days of us finally getting sixteen gigs of RAM and a MacBook err and five, twelve, you know, gigs of storage standard.. I feel like for for a somewhat reasonable, you know price, I feel like those days are are unfortunately over. Yeah. And and as an aside for anybody who's make this same sort of decision, again, people like people like me who again spend most of their time pushing the pushing the cursor to the right Most of the load of performance is just having lots and lots of apps open and lots and lots of tasks And the biggest I still love my M one. I'm going to continue to use it because it's a damn champ. There's nothing broken, notot even any keys, no screen squirllliness. The battery life is down to eighty percent, but that's perfectly fine. It was I'm looking forward to simply having enough RAM that I don't necessarily have to do a full like shutdown and restart before I'm doing a live stream just to make sure that like there isn't any stuttering, there isn't any gaps in the stream, stuff like that. It really is like The vogue is to get more RAM for to make sure that you can run local AI models, but it really is the key to like making sure you can do lots of tasks switching very quickly. It's I could have spent a little bit more money for a twenty four gig M five pro, but I would not have seen I don't think I'll see the same kind of performance I'm going to see from getting a thirty two gig M five, nothing Yeah, and of course, I'm in the market for an AI machine. so I need to spend much more money U I don't think I can afford actually an Apple. So So listeners to people in the discord. if you if you have like an old like Mac plus or Mac SE that's just for display, can you take out the DIMs and send them in to Leo I'm sure that I'm sure that we constructing we can chat GPT a solution to actually be able to like multi bank them or something. Yeah've cate a wall of RAM I have a friend who was thinking about buying a laptop and was like, I w to wait for mayaybe next year in the new MacBook Pro, but it's so far away and his current laptop is not doing it. And I said you should go ahead and buy something now for that same reason, which is in addition to everything that Andy said And we may be getting price increases and you don't know about availability and the availability, you know, every day they shift further away and is the price going to change? I would also say If we're entering an era where prices are going up And I can't believe I'm making this argument, but I'm going to make it, which is Buying a computer now, even if you think you might buy another computer in a year, I feel like the resale value of the computer you've got, like if you get an M five erir today Is the M five air not going to still be worth a pretty decent amount next January, next February, something like that. I think it will because I think all the prices are going up. I wouldn't say you should buy computers as an investment. That would be crazy. But when you a lot of times when you're making these value calculations, it's about Okay, I'm going to get this thing and I'm going to use it for a year and then I'm going to either trade it in or I'm going to sell it. I'm going to use that money afford the new thing and then I'm only paying the delta. And now feels like a time where a brand new computer in a year is probably going to have a lot of value because all the computers in a year are going to be expensive. So I think it's I think if you if you're ready to jump Now is not a bad time if you can get one to to jump and get your new computer now. You know, it's not going to appreciate and value someomebody in the I think the YouTube chat mentioned this. that iPhone ultra, the foam, that's going to depreciate, right? Be becausecause of the folding. Well and because it's the first gen, right? Like I mean, I mean, like we're already seeing a rumor they're going to do a second gen immediately after next as an aside, there was a story this week a company that specializes in, I think, trade inss Basically issued a report basically saying that at least for the Samsung folds, the trade in basically the resale value is like once you take it off the lot, you lose about forty something percent of the value. It's like you're not it's not going to hold the value might like my electric car. Is it because of the folding mechanism? that is that why people don't I just because I think it's just because there isn't enough there isn't enough of market for it. I don't think they they wentent to analysis but It might be different for Apple. I don't know. I might. But you're also right that a plastic coated screen is not going to doesn look really great. The folding is going to, again, it'll be great if you're if you're into using it for the next two, three, four, five years If you want to buy a secondh one that looks very, very pretty, you might not have much to pick from. So yeah No bu donon't buy this investment No, no. I mean, and I think that one it's hard to because again, like it's a first gen product and with very few exceptions, first gen Apple products Like most version products, there are bugs And it will actually depend on the price. I'm not overly like price sensitive, but at a certain point you go, okay, if I know this is going to be a gen one product that's going to be replaced anyway, do I want to play pay the inflated price on top of the inflated price for thing I'll use for a year? I don't know. This is where typically and I hopefully they'll still have this for the the iPhone Ultra or fold or whatever they're going to call it, where the Apple upgrade program is actually useful because you can basically at least with Apple, you can guarantee about fifty percent trade in value on the high end phones every year. And so if that would make sense, then you're like, okay, if I pay fifty percent or I get fifty percent of my credit and I can put that then towards You know, to kind of to Jason's point, the Delta, that of course assumes the prices will be the same and not go up. But that's harder to see. But yeah, I think folding phones are a difficult market compared to others ree you know Apple entering the frade just because the market isn't And then there's the durability factor. And I will say this outright. the only way I would buy a refurbished, you know iPhone or you know Apple foldable would be if it were directly refurbished from Apple. There' no true for all Yeah, but like you could get like a used iPhone, you know from Best Buy or F you know other play and it might not have the best screen, it might not be whatever it could be fine there is no universe where I would get anything other than an officially Apple refurbished a phone that has a folding mechanism. And you did point out another thing that Bears' mentioning is as we're having this conversation about like byy now or buy later 's it's always tpping to say, Oh, but geez the they haven't re they haven't like redesigned the MacBook Pro in X years. It's design it's due for design refresh and maybe I want to wait for that. The good news though is that if this is the last generation of this body buildild for the M five MacBook Pro, they have figured out how to manufacture these things with zero defects In the first years, it's not that they're shipping things out half half baked, but those are the generations where two years later, why is there this green line somewhere on my screen Why is it that when when when I bump this connector, I have this intermittent fault and that's when if you have Apple Care If you don't have Apple Care that's too bad. So sometimes there's something to be said for. whatever problems they've figured out, whatever problems of the manufacturing, whatever problems of the engineering, this is not a revision A board hardware. This is not the first ten thousand off the assembly line. This is really, really good. tested hardware All right, let's take a little break. More to come in just a bit. Grel, glad to have you back, Jason Snell. Yay, We missed you. We didn't hear anything about your experiences at the campus. So many experiences I'd like to hear a little bit about that when we come back And now we know where Waldo is He's been all over you took a vacation too I went to my son's college graduation. Oh, that's right Congratulations on that. You and Grouber both celebrated graduation And Syracusea? Yeah. Yeah like it's in the and David Letterman, I guess. We all have sons the same. One of these is not like the other. but okay, yeah Well, congratulations. That's fantastic. Was he a duck He was a duck like my like my daughter. bothoth my kids are orregon. You're aouble duck. okay. Yeah. Yeah. like a little flock of ducks. You know, as we were leaving the ceremony We're driving down a street and a car in front of us stopped and I am not making this up A mama duck and her little ducklings crossed the street in front the some were like, Well, fine. That was symbolic, wasn't it? Yeah. And then was start crying crying. was it? And then I started singing inspirational songs, the sunr, You know the wings little boats my wings, whatever. Yeah, exactly Hey, that's Now you're not an empty nester yet, or are you U Oh, I've been an emmpty nester for for four years Ohow. Yeah. there's no there's no kids left here. No kid just cat Anim. Yeah. yeah. Although teenagers are animals of another species. Boy are they They often talk about the Pitter patter of littleittle feet, but those people never had teenagers apparently because the Pitter patter is replaced by elephant funding Well, congratulations.s one that's great.'s good It is good to have you back. It was great to have John Rubber on I acted as if I'd never met him, but I was informed he's been on the show before many times. It's like, Oh. and then you're going to be on the talk show with him, yeah? It just came out. Nice Okay So very timely. 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They did They did to be accurate. They did they did lose an EU ruling and that allowed that forced them to allow the use of third party browsers with third party engines. However, they kind of scuttled it by basically saying, no, you can't just the makers of Chrome can't just simply Chrome with this new engine, they have to release a brand new browser and lose all of their existing users and use it as a side project, whichich is like, I don't know why that is the said that's a nonstarter. We don't have the resources to do one browser for the EU and another one for the rest of the world. Now if the rest of the world were to say as the EU did You got to open up the platform. then presumably Chromium and Mozilla and every other browser would say, oK, good, we're going to make it worldwide. Th thenen it makes sense. We're gonna to update our browser worldwide D to my knowledge. there is there anybody doing a non web kit browser in the EU? I don't think so. againain, it makes it makes it makes no financial sense for them to do with this. But that's what the heads of those teams have been saying that look, under these circumstances, it doesn't make us sense for us sense for us to fork into two different products and now have two different communities of users. So what's the differential? according to Microsoft, if they were to use The Chromium blink engine on Edge on IOS it'd be almost a third faster, twenty eight point six percent faster In one benchmark and thirteen percent in another and two percent in another because that's an Ale s own benchmark. twenty It's Yeahah, but it's it's all it's all and theoretical and even the guy who wrote it says, lookook, I just did this on my system and all of that. But you know, he is a developer who's like, well, wait a second, why? And the other point here is this is not the case on MacOS, which where there's browser competition. So what I was going to say I was going to say that that's the interesting thing, right is and I will disclose Kyle Floke who wrote the original post, who's group manager of Edge at Microsoft. He's a great guy. and I know him. I you know, have nothing else to know say. to Kyle's credit, he used as you said adjacent Apple's own speedometers O their own benchmark. Well, but what I was going to say though is that it is really telling how big of a differential there is, you know with MacOS versus Iess that, do you think Well, I think Jason nailed it, when you have competition And let's don't It was the same engine on both. Web kits the same on both IOS and MacOS I don't understand why it would be faster in MacOS I don't know More RAM. Maybe it maybe it thrives in a more RAM environment. Yeah I mean, I think there are differences and Jason or Andy might know more than I do, I think that there are some differences with how Webkit works on iPhone versus on MacOS. Like there are some different features and some different What I'd love to see is how does Webkit do on a MacBook Neo, which is essentially a phone Yes. Yeah And's all the performance you can get out of that process or something. But again, I might come down to an operating system layer too, right? Like when you have an operating system that has allowed you to handle certain events in certain different ways versus one that is very closed down and kind of has an embedded thing, And look, I'm not unsympathetic to Apple's position of why they don't want to just allow anybody to bundle, you know a web browser on their platform. I understand that I do feel like win when you have Big companies who are very vetted and are, I'm going to say, better at this than Apple is. I think that the Chrome team is better at this than Apple is What's the harm in allowing them to at least make a version that could run on your devices? Most people are still not going to choose Chrome as their default browser on an iPhone I think most people do use it even if they could E if they could. yeah. I think that there are just too many integrations and too many like specific points and also just the way that Google does their UX on mobile, which is a very Android way of doing things, isn't going to appeal to a large group of people. I have to say, though I have Chromium on my Macs. I'm using it right now because so many tools like that restream tool we use and require chromium I agree Chrome it works better for a lot of things. I agree. Look, on deskop, I think is very different. But I'm just saying on phone, I feel like there are still some happen that way. I don't think it would. which would you know, and if nothing else, I think that it would force Apple to finally you know, maybe take some things seriously and improve things. And I don't have a problem browsing the web on an iPhone in general. but sometimes I use an Android device and I go, yeah, this is actually really nice that you can have extensions and that Firefox can work in a way that it might really, you wants to be able to work and you can do more advanced things and automations just are not possible for any reason other than does not see the platform as a way that you should be able to use the web Like they just they silo it for their own purposes. They don't do PWAs, for instance, progressive Web app. They do, but they don't do them the same way that everyone else does. And I personally don't think that they do them in a very good way. But it is better than say like two years ago, it was a nightmare. It's a lot better now. But yeah, I mean chromium when I want a PWA on Absolutely. I mean, you I was a adherent to using Safari on the desktop for a very, very long time. I don't anymore. I mean, I obviously testing things in Safari, but I don't anymore. And it's the same reasons that you said, like there's just too many applications that just don't work correctly. And that's a shame. Yeah, actually, that is a shame because I don't want it to be that way. I continue to use Firefox because I want there to be diversity in the browser world. I don't think Google should own Innet, the worldwide web. I think that's okay. point, I don't think speed is the only criterion. I mean, obviously Firefox is not as fast. as either Safari or Chrome By the way, our good listener Dustin just ran speedometer on a MacBook No and's it's the same as any other Mac. It's Basster on Safari. Oh that it is on Chrome or Firefox U It's f Yeah, I wonder what the technical issue is and is it just that they haven't bothered optimizing on IOS? I mean, look This is a moment in time when the people who think that Apple needs to open the browsers on IiOS have a data point that they can use as a lever to say, see, this is why we need competition. And good for them. They should do that. I do wonder Was it like this a year ago? Will it be like this a year from now? Is this a current state of affairs in Webkit where webkit, you know, on IOS u is has not yet shifted gears to the next step where it's going to get faster again. I don't know. it seems really weird Unfortunate that it might be the case that Iafari is great on the Mac and for some reason on IiOS it just isn't like that shouldn't be And if it is And if it is as simple as we don't even bother optimizing it on IiOS, which I don't think Apple would do that, but like There's no competition. so there's no way to tell other than if you're somebody at Microsoft who can build the code and run it on their personal device and say actually it works pretty well. So I mean, this is it's a frustration, but because it does I know that Apple has been proud of Safari performance for a long time, but the thing is on the Mac we can measure it in a way that we can't on IOS. Yeah thirty six point four, Dustin says in this speedometer. I don't even know thats that's that's for Firefox.ty two point nine for Safari twenty seven. So it is oneot two. And fifty one, wow. So it's very close It's very close on Chromean and Safari, but yeah, Firefox is' not not thirty percent faster for I sure. And I use firefox those because I mean, I don't speed is not the only criterion for me. Right Yeah because especially if you're using an iPad for as your sol computer, which a lot of people are doing.m doing I'm doing a project right now that involves a lot of CS that I've never done before And I have to have three different browsers with three different engines open because it will work fine on one and then the weirdest things will happen on number two or number three. And what what if your bank or your school or some other community service requires a web front end that will work great on a Chromium browser, will not work great on a saafari browser or just acts unpredictable in JavaScript and forms because it does not support something that the latest hotshot web developer decided, oh, I can solve a problem. I can cut a thousand lines of code just by using this this new CSS style that has not yet been approved and is not yet supported by Safari, but it is supported by my favorite browser. So just just on principle, unless this is one I don't think it's It's a horrible shame for Apple that they are locking people into Safari. However, this is we are now at the stage where if there was a reason for them to make that a requirement when they launched IOS and iPad OS I'm not sure that that is still operative. if it's a security issue or privacy issue or battery performance issue. If there is a reason, I think they need to defend that choice or just simply allow Firefox, allow Chrome to create use whatever engine they want and not make it so painful to do so that they're not going to avail themselves of that freedom I think you nailed it the difference between IOS I really find it fascinating that N No, which is iPhone chip. is as fast as other Maxs is the differentials there. And I suspect you're right, Annie, it's about power so That's the only thing I can think of is that there are conserving battery on IOS, which makes us slower U And in fact, I think anecdotally, people do say that Chromium is a pig. Well you know what that that was exactly. It was absolutely true. It was a big resource hog, both power and memory and both performance, right. They've been a lot of improvements since then to the extent where I really don't notice I really don't notice that much of a dip of or at the very, very minimum, for me, the benefits of having a cross platform browser where all my history and all my bookmarks applies regard to what device I have outweighs whatever power and savings if any, there is any. Yeah, you're using that Android, we should point out because if you use Chromium on IOS't That's you're still using webit. Well, no but I still get again browser brrowser history and browser book. Yeah, you sync. That's right. exxactly. That's why I use Firefox because the Firefox sync. Uh, hey, here's some good news Uh, the president says Apple will build chips with Intel in the U. S. so Congratulations. Well, problem solved. Thank you themsel of some kind. U er Washington took a ten percent stake in the chip maker. whichich I just want to say that sounds like socialism to me. But okay. Well it's also, you know what, Apple hasn't confirmed this, even though they've been reachhing out and Intel hasn't confirm this. but he did say while taking a post at every at all of his political enemies that only he and only he was able to get this deal to happen. So okay By the way, not the CPUs, not the main process, just in all likelihood I mean, it depends maybe some you know, lower lower speed or maybe it's other components that areac together. There's there's lots of ways for them to slice it and it may happen over time. But yeah, this seems to be what happens now is that Trump hears about something and he just posts about it and every we have and we have heard about this, there have been rumors first that they and then there's a rumors that they have an agreement that hasn't been signed yet, but they have an agreement Also there's one of the things that that I noticed, you know Tim Cook has said that one of their issues is that there are Chinese RAM suppliers that are not basically allowed to be used by American companies And I do wonder if there might be a quid pro quo going on here where if you want Trump to maybe do a temporary waiver that allows you access to this RAM in a time of RAM shortages, maybe the quid pro quo is, yeah, we're going to make that deal with Intel. This is just temporary. We're going to get our chips in the US. but They put on the jersey. they're like, we're ready to go. But right now we need the chips from China. Can you get us the chips from China U But this is all part of that, you know, that same negotiation that happens. isn what Tim Cook's job is now J, congratulations. You just made that souvenir shirt tax deductible.es because expense. shouldould use the other credit card now. I yeah, I don't want to be political at all, but Giving Tim a hard time for kind of you know, the gold bar and all that, but Increasingly, when you're in an autocrat, the fable banning is what brought this to mind When you're in an autocratic regime where A simple word from the president can dry you Ah You don't have a choice play the psychology game And Apple is doing it adeptly. I mean, it if Trump could say we're going to ban an AI model For foreign use, which bans it effectively for everybody Um He could just as e because it's a se quote security hazard, which is unproven He could just as easily say we're going to ban the iPhone because it's made in China. it's a security hazard. and put Apple out of business. So you need to, you know, as much as we've been hard on Tim Cook You kind of need to in this kind of autocratic regime You need to kiss the ring. I would say also There is an argument that The more you are getting the president to focus on manufacturing and having manufacturing jobs in factories in America And have that be the context in which you have your discussions . It means that they're not having a conversation about encryption, access to data and servers and other things that Apple would maybe have maybe a harder time with, but like if you frame it as Oh when I talk to Tim Cook, it's always about bringing factories and production back to the U. S You know, yeah, I mean, in a way, you know, you could have different feelings about the strategy of it and the feelings of Why are you playing ball? But like it's capitalism. it's You know, there's there's a whole other thing here. capitalism. This isocratic regime. It's It's capitalism in the sense that in the end, Tim Cook is thinking about the stock price because he's saying in business is what he's thinking about. Well, I mean, there's I won't go into the long t reade about this. I think that I think that Apple has always and other companies just like it has always had the need to, no matter who's in power, they have to have a good relationship with whoever's in power. Absolutely. A lot of the moves that they make a lot of the choices they make are to keep Keep making sure that when they make that phone call, they can the White House will accept that call and they can have a voice and whatever happens. The risk is higher But exactly But what I'm saying is that my disappointment with Tim is that I feel as though he's doing a lot of things that go beyond what is smart to do for the success continued success of Apple and goes towards support of some of the broader package of ideology. Hes I feel as though he does a lot of things that are not necessary to further that agenda. I mean, did he have to write a check to say, Ohh, he wants to tear down the East wing of the White House even though that and everyone says that's not possible. That's not's what I'm saying we that'sort stuff that gets That's what I'm saying We li in a time of existential dread and The fable thing really brought this home to me. I mean, he could effect he's effectively shut down Anthropic with its top model and the fact that he can do that without any restraint without going to Congress without explaining in any way brings home the issue that you've got to play the psychological game. I think you're right, Jason He's he's adroitly keeping it about manufacturer, which is a win. for the president. but you got to play that psychological game and I you know, I would bet that Tim has advisors in there saying, okay, this is what you need to do Because the risk is existential. And I think that's what in my mind has changed. Okay. I agree with you, Andy. I thought, well, he's going he's betnding over backwards You know what? The risk could be so high in an autocratic regime where you need no there are no guard rails And to be clear, I'm not saying that I know exactly what I would do if I were in Tim's position. He is operating at such a much a higher intellectual level and strategic level that I'm even capable of that that would be ridiculous for me even to suggest that. What I'm saying all I'm saying is that can't give him a free pass. We can acknowledge that he's doing something that's very that's a safer play that is better to ensure to minimize risk to his company and to Apple's interests and to the employment of one hundred four thousand hundred fifty thousand people. We have however, that doesn't mean that we have to deny that he could have done something a lot more in many of these in some of these choices, he could have done something that was more courageous and he declined that opportunity. Yeah We can't can't we can't simply say, oh, well, we can't give a complete free pass. We can't say thank God, he was brave and bold enough and political enough and smart enough strategic enough to play the game smartly because there are people who are saying, you know what? I'm not playing balls. Anthropic said You know what? we are not to happen We're not going to give the Defense Department free reign to turn our AI into killbots. We're just not. evenven though and they paid the price for it, that was a brave thing to do. And it's not brave unless there's some risk involved and of Smon giving him them a little bit more of a pass. You know what, part of this is because I'm reading a really great novel, which I recommend called The Orphan Master's Son, which is about life in North Korea And you really brings home U It's easy to say courage until your life's on the line. Okay, but Tim's life is not on the line. No, but his company's life might be on the line ab the slightly diminished profitability of his life of the company's life might be on the line. I'm saying that I'm saying that I'm not saying let let's turn and feather room. I'm saying that let's make sure that we all have to make compromises to our ideals. I make compromises by using Instagram, even though I don't like the company that runs it. I don't like the policies. I don't like the person who runs the company.ever I acknowledge that this is part of the fabric that keeps my social net together. It is hypocritical to a lot of my beliefs that I continue to use it. I have to acknowledge that if I decide that I'm going to continue to use it. I don't want someone to give me a free pass and say, well, your principles absolutely do not matter because you're getting the thing that you want Yeah I feel bad about eating meat, but I still Eactly. I mean I'll say is like there are all kinds of people who are working extremely hard to fight climate change, okay, but they have to fly commercial flights in order to get to these conferences. They can't walk to every conference that they go to. okay? And that is a hypocritical gesture, you could argue because of damage that does. But the thing is like you have to acknowledge that they're doing some damage, but they feel as though there's a larger good to it. But don't diminish the fact that you are making a compromise to something that you believe in. Well, not only that, but like I don't want to go on a whole tangion on the climate change thing, but sometimes I think people shame themselves too much when yes, we should all do our part, but like the real people who are actually causing climate change are not people who are taking commercial flights and regular individuals, but are the massive corporations that are you know dumping, you know, they're using tons of energy they're running places natural gas generators Exactly there dataenters Exactly I'm not going ever feel guilty about taking a flight or going on a car O of course or driving a car.ina. I am proud to say I do not have a private jet and I will never ever have a private jet So I'm taking a stain. Not all live streamers can say that by the way. That's actually the same as of twenty twenty six As an influencer, I'm proud to say. All right, let's take a break. Enough of that.ough I can't afford to fly on a jet I need I can only fly one of those little budd Holly models. 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Vanessa Hand Olana did the did the article. Um I actually haven't used the heart rate sensor in my earpod proro I was going to say, I haven't either. know I've used it a lot on my watch and one I do it every day on my watch when I work out. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean one time it even caught I had a resting heart rate was like one hundred fifty or something. It was not good. and I wantedeez. Yeah, exactly. And so I wented getting like a heart study done. We never really figured out what was going on. It wasn't anything that was major, but it was at least something like my watch was what alerted me. likeike, Yeah, you want to pay attention to that. I got out of the shower and it was like, hey This has been the case for however long. and so that was fantastic. But yeah, I haven't ever used it with my AirPods, but that's great to know that it's U close and accuracy because I think just bringing that information, I mean some people maybe don't need to know all the details about their health, but I think having having that information is a lot better than having it. So that's excellent I particularly if it's if it's a free thing for people who did not who don't own like a fitness watch, don't own like an Apple watch. they just because they want to listen to music on the subway and suddenly's telling me there's something you want to have checked out Data they would not have had access to otherwise, that's very, very impressive. Yeah Um is can you use it with fit the Apple Fitness plus app instead of with Apple Watch I haven't tried that. I should tryer. should. But I usually, I mean, I always wear my watch because you see the watch metrics up on the screen, which is really It is interesting though, right? Because AirPods, you know, is the Pro two s and obviously with the Thes are even better because they can be you know over the counter hearing aids, which I think is excellent, especially at the price point. And you know now with the heart rate sensor stuff for the Th'es, like you're talking about something that for its price point because and this is something that still goes on sale knock on wood relatively frequently. to Andy's point, if you don't have a watch, maybe you don't want to wear a smart watch, maybe you don't want something else, this is s actually a pretty great kind of universal kind of device, mean you have to charge them is the one thing. although the battery life has gotten pretty good. but you know, you could you could do a workout,, you know, assuming they'll stay in your ears and if you are also using them as a hearing aid, you know, type of thing like Well, I got to mention it is Prime Day And Amazon's now selling the Thes for one hundred and seventy nine bucks. That's great. There' are a lot of really good deals. That is a huge discount A againain, a great it's a great sales event for stuff that you have already had in your wishlist for a long, long time. Yes. And finally there are a couple things that surfaced out of my wishlist because o, for two hundred dollarars, no, for one hundred fifty dollars. Yeahah, I'll give that a try Yeah. And yeah I love the Apple stuff is like Maybe I should have a pair of AirPods just in the library so that I can test things out. Like no, I wasn' not buying them. But the price was low up, I'm like, geez, I could buy airPods. Watch eleven is down thirty percent. The watch SE is down twenty percent. Wows N not recommending them, but the AirPods Max two. No, do a mere four hundred dollars. Okay. I will say this and again, I won't recommend them. and I've bought them twice,. four hundred dollars were're getting within the realm of like what they should cost. Yes. Yes They list for five hundred and fifty dollars. That's what I'm saying which should no one should ever pay five hundred and fifty dollars for them four hundredars I still think is overpriced for what they are. However, if you appreciate the whole ecosystem thing, it's not bad. And then the new the the air the air tag toos the four pack for ninety bucks, That's not bad either because that's like twenty two, twenty three dollars a piece Yeah. So that's that's not bad. Yeah just looking at all of the prime deals hereere. I don't I usually stay away from prime days just because I figure I don't know. I just feel like it's again, there's some things that are kind of reliable like don't like I bought I don't know what they should be. I exact's why that's why you have camel camel camel, like in another tab to immediately check in to say, okay, that actually is the lowest price this has ever been. And or you find out or and or check out that, oh, the reason that is a really good price for that. But the reason why is that there is like there this is a four year old model of these airbuds And their new money came out just a year and a half ago, which doesn't mean that forty bucks as opposed to one hundred bucks is not a good deal, but just understand that just understand reason Exactly exactly. Well, and I think that the thing too like Primeay is what like eleven years old now. I think the first year was twenty sixteen. So ten years, I guess this is probably the it's anniversary. It was a really in the beginning of like an actual great event, like they had deals that you would not see any other time of the year. Now It's like, okay, A, there are like four prime days a year or prime day like things. And so that's one of them. And B, you know, as Andy pointed out, and you see this a lot on Amazon and a lot of the shopping sites but Amazon was especially guilty of this where it'll show you, oh, you're saving this much of a price And it's like, no, actually, you're not. You were selling it for less than this last week, but now you're highlighting this percentage off, for this special promotion. So yeah, Camel, Camel, Camel is your friend for sure Um Beta two for the IOS twenty seven developer preview is out Jason, have you already installed it? Yeah, I'm on beta two everywhere now. Big difference More reliable? We didn't see the crashes that we've seen in previous dev betas, right? Hard to say I mean, they're bugs, but there are always bugs and it's only been a day. I'm sure I'm sure there's something that I'm going to run into where I'm like, ah, this doesn't work now because that's just how it is. That's summer. That's summer life in the betaand But, you know, it's proceeding. it's good. I mean, I think they're all usable. They're just every now and then you run into something and you're like, oh That didn't work right or that didn't make sense or You know, and maybe you file a feedback if you open the feedback assistant and you say, Hey, this thing doesn't work And then they maybe will fix it and maybe they won't. You they' get across your finger. It's a peakk what we're going be getting in September because they don't talk about the really cool the stuff that's going to affect you personally. I was pretty excited to see report about how they how it's adding even more RCS messaging features where now you can long press on a message and message in an RCS chat and get inline replies the way they're supposed to work. And that now if you favorite something, you will actually see the actual icon appear, not just And you not go favorite it L Right. I should mention that our friend Matthew Casanlli has a Si shortut or a Max shortcut that will enable Siri AI. You take you off the waitlist instantly in case you are still on the waitlist You're not on the waitlist, are you, Jason? Oh no, I. When I was at WWC, they literally were like Give us your Apple ID and we'll take you off the wayait lense. Yeah, I was gonna say, you were your handhold drag L of course. Yeah as you should be, right? Well, I mean, they literally gave us a briefing about no your AI. and then like you can't use it too bad. Well, no, because I've been on both sides of that. I've been the person who like controls who has access to the beta of things and I've been the person who's given the betata access. And yeah, no, it makes complete sense, Jason. you absolutely should have play I am on the other side of the wall just peering over lookingoo at you guys It s you can't tear over the wall. it's too tall. sorry I that part. I was gonna say, you should use Matthew's shortcut, right? Yeah. No, I'm haven't put the beta on there. Youre kidding? I'm not crazy. I'm out Well Okay, I was gonna to ask Jason this. So I have an iPad. not I can't do it on my phones. I just can't do them anymore when it's not my job Too many work things that I totally run dead betas on my phones However, I do have an in five iPad pro, which I bought dumbly like two months ago Is it worth putting it on that, do you think Or are all of your devices now on on IiOS twenty seven or do you have anything that's still in twenty six 'causeuse that's always my fear. My phone My phone, my Mac and my iPad are all on twenty seven beta now. is like, but again, it it is my job. It is your job. Yeah, no, I totally get it. I would say ye Yeah, I mean, like the iPad's a great example of like update that ticket for the test drive. It's all usable still And you will get to, you know, test out CiII stuff, which I think is I think it's good. I think it's got flaws, but you know, a perspective here, we've been asking for a better Si for what? like five, ten years, and it is a better Si. like there's no question about that. We haven't talked to you since you were at the Y event. Tell us all thoughts I mean, you you've been writing about it at six Cars. You co Youve covered it all. like it is u I mean the event itself, it was it was interesting. They had I think the one part that made me laugh is there was the moment where they talked about the consistent corner radiuses on Windows on MacOS in Golden Gate. The most nerdy thing ever and the crowd cheered because it's developers, right? That was get pain. That was a cry of pain and relief. Right. I mean there it's a shame in a way that the people watching the live stream your the event stream don't get to have a live audience reaction to the statements because it is telling when the developer crowd is sitting there cheering various things and what they cheer like corner Radius in MacOS, which is a real thing, but like what a thing to be an applause line. And yet it was And then we got I mean, the real interesting thing in terms of liive was that they had a tech talk with Craig Federigi, Mike Rockwell and a couple of other people who were it was basically, let's explain how our AI strategy is working now. And that was in their developer theatater. So it was a relatively small group, notot even all the press got to go. And U that was really interesting. I also ended up sitting literally behind Tim Cook, like right behind Tim Cook It was me and Gruber and Federico Vitici and like we have pictures. I have a picture. of It's like Crig Ferigi on stage while Tim Cook and John Turnis who are sitting next to each other are looking at him. and like That was my view the whole time. I'm sitting there in really stare at the back of Tim Cook's was picture of thing that can't pos's got a buzz c because they don't let Tim Cook sit close. Did you compare hair colors? you he came right. I mean G Grey is great. he doesn't have anything. I have a little left. He doesn't have anything left. that's why he buzzes it. But did you post pictures of the back of his head public you can'. Yeah's there's a picture of them watching Craig and is that on Insta? Where is? It's on six colors. I think I put it in a story there. But Um But the thing about it is that they're looking up a Craig. It's hard not to think She's correct, don't mess this Y You're sitting in front of the boss the old boss and the new boss. Yeah, right. old boss both sort of looking up at him. and you know and Federici, his stage presence is a little chaotic. So it was like Craig, hold it together, Craig. hold it together. But it was good. I mean, they were trying that was the session where they tried for the press to demystify how they're approaching the Google collaboration, which is that they're using it. it looks like to, you know, they're using it to distill based on Google frontier models, their models, but they're also they are alsoso not just white labeling Gemini, which is what I think a lot of us thought they might end up doing and how they built their own infrastructure and where the Google partartnership happens and where it doesn't and to me the surprising fact that the that private cloud compute has been redefined to include some stuff that's happening in Google's Cloud using NVidia and Intel stuff U, But that Apple made the point of like, but we control those servers and we sign those servers And those if those servers were to be altered O you know, our cryptographic signature would break and no queries would be allowed to go through. So they're like, we we're confident that this is following all the same security protocols, which is, you know, that was the funny thing. They announced private Coud compomute two years ago as being like, we need this so that we can do cloud stuff that still has our privacy thing. And then not too long after, Google said, We're going to do that too, because there really is a great use case for guaranteeing privacy of your data when it's being processed in the cloud But what that did is it means that all of those progressions give Appleable attatitude to redefine what they call private cloud compute to use other data centers as long as the fundamentals of, you, nobody can see your data. It's encrypted. It gets thrown away after your query. All of those things are still true and that it's verifiable by security experts who can say they aren't tering with this. It totally works. So that was an interesting part too. So that was the that was the unique for the last few years actual live event that you had to be there basasically to see it And it was Mike Rockt didn't put it on YouTube or stream. No as Mike Rock R who' in charge of Siri, That's the part that really It's really so the story the backstory is Mike Rockwell shipped the Vision Pro. and one of the backstories that has come out I think Mark Kermman reported it is that he wanted to be very Siri forward and was disgusted by how bad Siri was and he couldn't use it. And now it's like, be careful what you wish for because now you're in charge of Siri. But like it feels like a little like Rockwell's revenge. like there's now like a glowing Siri orb in Beta two on the Vision Pro where you can just look at it and give it a comm just like That's totally what Rockwell wanted to be all along, right? But he had to go in and get Siri to work before he could do that and the line of the week was Rockwell talking about Siri because he said A year ago, we had Siri up and running and it wasn't good enough And then we Pour it to the ground and built a new Si in the last year. And I thought He's got to take great pleasure in the visual and tearing Siri to the ground because it frustrated him so much when he was building the Vision Pro I think it also maybe is telling all our complaints over the years about Siri. There's always been this feeling like It's a house of cards or it's like a little like a little structure that's like so brittle that they just keep sticking things onto it But they can't they can't actually deal with the underlying failures of Siri because it's so old, but they don't want to throw it away And it's clear that a year ago Be of all the problems Apple has had with AI and Siri. that Mike Rockwell was able to say, tear it to the ground. We're just going to do it. We're going to We're going to do what we need to do here. We have to completely replace this thing. And that's what SiAI is. It is actually a complete. replacement. And I just I think that's really interesting. And my other big takeaway would probably be nobody gets features fixed in Apple's OS is like Apple Um by which I mean like Oh, you mean SiriAI needs access to a really, really good search engine full of all of your metadata. Well Butotlight isn't that? So there's a new spotlight now and mail ranking messages in mail for relevancy is very bad, but it has to be good so that they can do queries If I assiri AI So guess what? It's better now. they fixed that part and shortcuts had a bunch of things that were missing like basic stuff like if else statements And the people who were working on the shortcuts read a shortcut with a statement in text A. L veryy clearly, they're like, what do you mean it doesn't do if else? What do you mean you cant have to schedule everything in a separate automation tab and it's not attached to the shortcut? And so they fix those things and all of us get to benefit. Spotlight gets to be better for everybody, not just Siri AI. Mail search gets to be better for everybody, not just Siri AI and shortcuts gets to be better for everybody not just fill in the prompt. Shortcuts buildilding feature does really emphasize to me like We were feeling that pain for years and it was like, well, too bad, it's not a priority. And then Apple needed it for Siri AI. and suddenly they fixed it Does this mean Mike Rockwell's more powerful? than ever. I don't I think he's auditioning right now. I think Rockwell, if Rockwell can pull this off, Mc German had a story where he he would really like to be like the CTO or in the C suuite somewhere and John Turnis is building his C suuite. I mean, honestly, those guys on stage. it was the it was the head of AI and and the head of Siri and the head and the EP of software. Craig the head of Tim Cook in the back of the By the way, here's the picture Yeah in the back of the head Yeah Yeah. don't mess it up, Greg. Don't mess it up guys What fantastic picture. that those people on stage are all, I think auditioning key C Site members of John Turnis's leadership team. He's playing there's you know Craig not Craig Hockkenberry. We love Craig Hockenberry. shhout out to him. Craig Federigi is not the chief software officer likeike Johnny Srui is the chief hardware officer, right? He could be maybe, but he he needs to execute. And if Rockwell wants a place there as the guy who's like he fixes stuff And he's great and he's a star we don't want him to leave. This is the opportunity for him to step up, do something like this and have them say You did a great job. go, go, go. And obviously the person who's in charge of AI huge important person who needs to execute as well. But And part of it is, yes, I was sitting behind John Turners and Tim Cook And so I was kind of putting myself in their shoes a little bit. But I think it's true. I think everybody up on that stage was feeling the pressure that they need toliver like American here right? And there and they're the judges sitting It's like a sh It's shark to's scession. It's sucession. Itcession. It is sucession. Yeah Yeah. So you could feel it and I could feel, I mean, I could I could see him sweating a little bit. but I think to your point. Yeah, Rockwell strikes me as a person who has the most to gain by having this all go well because he's not He doesn't report to I think he reports to Craig Federigi, right? He he He if he pulls this off with Siri and makes Siri not bad which it looks promising, right? That's going to be really good for his his u his stock and his career. But all of them are feeling this is the part of Apple that really They screwed it up two years ago. So this is the part of Apple that has to deliver But if they do deliver They will, I think, be rewarded for it. To enter the Octagon But only one Merge. Incidentally, speaking of Matthew Castanality, he says he's found references to a shortcuts language. Yeah it's I mean, that story got updated Python. what they're using they're using Python as an intermediary. If you scroll down in that story, you'll see that Federico Fitici who has done incredible work deconstructing everything that is happening in shortcuts. Yeah, it's called short Pie and it's this internal language where basically Prompt. In the LLM that builds your shortcut hands you back this short pie, which is like simple Python And then they have a compiler that converts it into shortcuts from Python into the individual shortcut statements. So they're using it basically as an intermediary. They must have realized that It was going to be hard to get the LLM trained on Sortcuts XML and that LLM's are really good at doing things like writing scripts in languages like Python. and so they seem to have done that here, but it's not like there's a secret Python language that is just shortcuts and that's not quite it. They're doing a bunch of stuff. and that Feder Rico has looked into it. But I mean, it is really interesting to see all the technical challengge that they've had to do here to get their existing systems to mesh with the output from an LLM because like They weren't designed to go together, but they got to go together. So how do you do that? How do you get an LLM to write a shortcut? And the answer is in part, they created this Python intermediary such a weird thing, but they did. and we're not even supposed to know it exists. actually makes a lot of sense and answers the question, you know, they had a hard time. there was an impedance mismatch between the Siri chat and these LLMs and it makes complete sense to me as somebody uses LLMs a lot And somebody who loathes App Apple Talk, Apple script U as a programming language, it makes perfect sense that they would use an intermediate language that an LLM would be more comfortable with So you know, my LM will not attempt shortcuts. It'll say, well, here, try typing this in. Well what's funny is that a couple of months ago and I stopped doing it once, Jason said that, you know, Federico was doing something similar. I actually was trying to kind of do ironically similar like through an LLM, obviously, similar to, I guess like what this Python interpreter you know a decompiler, whatever intermediary, whatever you want to call it thing is, because I was having the same sort of problem where I was like, I really want to write a shortcut to do something. I lohe the shortcut interface. awful Lath it. It's awful. It's awful. I understand anyybody's ever coded it's awful. It's. I understand who it's for. Yeah. I would argue that even the people that who it's for There are layers of complication that have really impeded its adoption. and this is why I think it's so great that having the, you know like dictate what you want your short cut to do feature is going to be so important in IOS twenty seven. And I'm glad that we're having this ability to do that. But it was funny because one of the things that I think it was Ous that basically suggested was like, okay, we're gonna have to basically create our own kind of like scripts to then get the output that you can then use for your shortcut. And I was like, okay, well that makes sense. and it didn't quite work correctly I abandoned it, but it took a second So Opa said to me it said, you better type this in. It's not for me I think part of the frustration about shortcuts is Ive built lots of shortcuts. It is the top level Apple choice of how you do scripting and it works across all their platforms whereas like Apple Script and stuff like that We're running a sheull scriptter, really just mac things. but But the problem is it's it. That's it. right? And if you are a more advanced user, there's nowhere to go. Like Federico has decompiled like the XML that's happening behind it and all of that. And other people have tried. There was a guy who actually tried to make a a regular computing language that would compile to shortcuts and you could do that. But like That's the issue is that we don't That shortcuts is it And if if if, but it's designed in this like building block kind of level And it would be nice if there were something else. but There isn't right now. So I think that's part of the frustration is there's only one tool that Apple gives you across all of its platforms and it's this super simplified And wouldn't be nice wouldouldn't it be nice if there really was a Python bridge that did the same thing that ran on all of Apple's platforms, but there isn't. There was an opportunity there. I mean, OSA script There was at one point this idea of making a language That would be an operating system language. AppleScript was cllient with OSA script, but I guess it was a band. I think the dream is alive. I think the ultimate dream that goes all the way back to Hypertalk. This is a thing that the bet does really because I got one of my experiences was I got to sit actually next to Feder Rico And they had us write a bunch of shortcuts out of Mac and an iPhone and an iPad using the new just type what you want me to do interface and it builds you a shortcut, which when it works, it is staggering. But it is that's the dream. The dream, it turns out is not I would like to write a computer program. in sentences that read like English, which is sort of what talk and then Apple sccript we're getting at is this idea of like a little more of the idea that regular people can build software It turns out the actual dream is I am going to tell an LLM what I want It's going to write a program for me And then if I don't like exactly what it does, the way the shortcut system works, you can then say, actually, can you add this thing and modify this thing? And then it does that too. I think is the closest we've ever come to that dream of I shouldn't have to write the program. I should just tell my device what I wanted to do. are And obviously at a high level, we've been able to do this for a while with LLMs and like I've written a Mac app now and like all these crazy things that have happened to have it be just in shortcuts in Mac or in MacOS an IOS, an iPad OS and lets a normal person who would never write a computer program say, hey At six AM every weekday, can you look at my calendar and my to do list and send me like a little message about what I have to do that day And that's it It's done And that's now a feature of your phone. That is amazing. Yeah. I do that actually with my agent right now This is what you're trying to do is make it easy for people to do what Reular people advanced users of AI, semi advanced, in my case, not advanced at all are able to do with their agents. Sure. And I have, you know, Hermes does that for me and it send it on telegram every every morning everything I got to do and all of that stuff. and I think is the watch integration yet in there with beteta two? Because that I'm rightight now I can talk to my agent through my watch through the action button, but it's an Apple script. call and all of this stuff. I had to do a lot of manipulating, but it's really useful. I can I'm now logging my food, my exercise and all that stuff just by talking my watch That would be pretty cool. And this is this is something that I think Siri AI Should do, yes in watchS twenty seven. I haven't that that is something I haven't done is watch OS twenty seven and how because you want to watch Sory fragmentation is actually going to be a big issue for the watch And for Hpods and for the Apple TV, which is we talked about two years ago and then it didn't matter because it didn't ship. But seri fragmentation, you have this issue now where you say something as a command in your house All your Apple devices hear that hear the word. and activate. And then they do like a quick little blit among themselves where they're like, who wants this? Wh's closest Who's in the right context, who can handle this? And one of them takes it. so you don't have all your devices answer you at the same time, right Um, They really need and I asked them about it and there was no answer. They really need once Si AI ships To have those devices know Oh, there's a Siri AI device here Let's use them because they're going to give a way better answer. And they need to do that, right? Like if I'm talking, if I'm asking a general question, I don't want my home pod that's using Dumb Siri to answer it. ever, right? Like ever But I don't know if they're going to be able to handle that or if what they're going to say is, Jason, buy our new home pod with SiriAI instead whichich they may do persistent down this morning, Lisa and I had an battle She' in the kchen the gym and if you talk loud enough, both can hear you. And she was playing up first on my I was listening to a book. She got it of the book on hers and I got up first on mine. It was it was an battle That's why I made it so that I press the action button and I suspect that people who use Siria a lot on the iPhone. use the iPhone button as opposed to saying, Hey, Slomo. Yeah.s what that's why I think that the Apple Watch is going to be a real sleeper. I think this time this six months from now, maybe a year from now. We're going to be surprised of how much how many people can think of Apple Watch not as a health watch, but as the interface to Siri assuming that Siri delivers all the features that Apple is hoping to deliver by then, because the idea of having an explicit motion that we just simply lift this thing up, press this button and say do this thing and then trust that the thing is going to be done when we get home and we pick up our phone or we pick up maybe turn to our MacBook That's kind of a big, big deal, much, much bigger, I think than smart glasses and much, much bigger than Well, and add smart glasses to it. An It really got something, right? Yeah I would say any of these Apple Watch AirPods anyy of these devices if ser I mean, again, we said this two years ago and then they they failed All of those devices that Apple has that you like have in your ears or on your wrist or like or on your face if they have glasses, right? All of them become vastly more valuable If they could talk to Siri AI and Siri AI is good. L and we know basased on Mark German's reports They got a whole stack of products. that they built that they can't ship because they rely on Si AI being good. And and like it unlocks a huge amount of value for Apple's platforms. if they this is again, this is why. Mike Rockwell was on stage saying Let me show you what we did because it's a big it strategically for Apple, it's huge. it's the cornerstone of so many products that they that they sell. And yeah, I mean, it makes your AirPods and your Apple watchatch more valuable if they are able to be super intelligent and and deal with Ething you want to do, everything you want to ask So I mean, I can't I can't wait to see if that happens. but that's the dream and I mean, that's why. That's why they got to that's why they got to do this. That's why Siri has been such a a weight on Apple for the last few years is it's not just that AI stuff exposed how bad Siri was The thing is AI showed how good it could be in a world where Siri was still like bad at the baseline bad Not just bad compared to AI, but just bad. And now it's really, really bad I mean, I have only used SiriAI for a week I can I can say It's pretty good. Like is it cutting edge? Is it the best of the best? Is it like talking to Chad GBT? I don't know, but it got it's got some advantages and disadvantages. The advantage is that it's got access to spotlight and it can look at everything on your phone and tell you the answer, which is when it works Amazing So like Ely But devil's in the details end. They fooled us two years ago At least I think there is a path here for them to ship something. actually good and fulfills their needs. Yeah. I hope that historically we don't overlook or even Apple and Google and everyone else is operating this space, they don't overlook house L how useful a text interface is, whether you are typing something in and seeing a text message come back or speaking text and hearing text come back. because again, if you want to spend two thousand two hundred dollars for this enormous pair of glasses with these comically big, you're trying Snap is trying to make it look like, oh no, these are just like the usual like side earpieces and but they're the size of like novelty hockey sticks you'd buy at a game or something. Okay? I mean okay fine, that's that's nice. you've got this immersive augmented reality thing, but just the ability to use thirty dollars earbuds or my two hundred dollars watch or just type something speak speak to type something into and get get answer like, hey, who's who's going to be at at that party at that dinner party that I'm going tomorrow night and for it to simply say, okay, the RSVPs were through this Gmail account. Here's all the people who RSVPed, Here iss a list of the people who are going to be at the dinner party tonight in case they' people that you need to remember what their names are That's That's impressive. That's useful. That's what turns you into a customer and a user forever. not the idea of, oh, look, I see an animated fox that's gambling and rumping and playing on the sidewalk in front of me and begging me to follow it to get to the true value hardware stores I'm trying to navigate to. It's like again, nice demo, but I really just want text. That's a lesser scene in Ready Player one fox takes the hardware store But yeah, you're hundred percent right. One of the things that I always so I do this silly podcast with my friends about old episodes of Magnum PI, which is a pandemic project that's gotten out of hand and we're At this point, I think I guess we're going to watch them all. I don't know. I don't know what's happening there. But we agree after we record, we agree what the next two episodes are going to be. And it's in an I message thread. And what invariably happens is a couple weeks later, I'm like, oh yeah, I got to watch those magnet PI episodes And I'm scrolling back. I'm like, when do we do it? Do we do it in email or do we do it in messages? When what are the episodes and all of that? And eventually I find it, but like it's scrolling back through that chat, which is full of all sorts of nonsense. And last week, I said to Siri What are the next two episodes we're doing David and Phil and I are doing for the Magnum podcast And it spun its little thing. and then it said here they are And it had them. And I got them from email or text from from messages There was looked it did a message of search, obviously on some keywords because one of the great things about asking an agent to search is that It's not going be confined to like really strict searches. It's very fuzzy and it'll find things. But anyway, it did it. and like again, not a big thing, but like If it saves me from having to open messages, go to that thread and then like scroll back and keep scrolling and like, is that it? You know, no, this is it right here and then I'm going to grab like instead, I just said, Hey, what were those episodes? and it said these were they and it was totally right. It's just That's the kind of stuff that solves people's problems and makes their lives easier N something. Do something magical and will they will be curious to see what what it can do after that. That's Delliver. Dliver, deliver, deliver You're watching Mac Break Weekly with Andy Inako from Anaco. com Christina Warren deeveloper relations at GitHub, many other places. Do you do a podcast anymore besides this one, Christina?. podcast called over tired overired with Bre Srpstra and Jeff Severns Gunzl. It's been a while since we've done tired to do it. That' Yeah. we've been tired to do it. and I don't know. I kind of I still I have an itch I might have to talk to Jason offline for advice since he does all the podcasts about like I kind of want to do another podcast again, but what would you do if you wanted to do it? I don't know. I miss rocket sometimes and I don't know I It was really good. and something kind of like that, but with more of a culture edge because I feel like I get to talk about tech a lot, but there are things that are Wh ever want to talk Soes or Taylor Swift on this show, please. Okay. goo right ahead Well, I will I got a little bizaar that Snaps announced that wasas it Snap Meta announced the Ky there's going to be a Kylie Jenner range of meta gllass coming out And now you have to explain to me I actually asked my wife and she explained to me, but you have to explain to the rest of us Kylie Jenner. It should be fronting a line of metalasses I mean, she's the ultimate inflencer. I mean, she' made It's a billion dollar business. I mean, kind of. I mean, you know, at this point, she's let me get this straight. She Kardashian Well, okay, so sort of. So married into the Cardan. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, herer half sisters are the are Chloe, Courtney and of course, Kim, right? And then and then she and Kendall are their mom's kids with Caitlyn Jeninner. And so they were all on the television series Keeping up with the Kardashians from two thousand nine through twenty thousand seven. Kylie was on that too? She was starting as a small child. And then so literally Kendall and Kylie I honestly will give them a pass on a lot of things. sorry to go on this digression. Is she Den Timothy Chamay? She is. She is. And she has two children with Tiga, I think. Chalam. A Chalame. Yeah. So she's been with Chalamay for a couple of years now. But she God, like a decade ago, lip kidits were a big thing It was clearly lip filler, but she convinced everybody to kind of do lip kits. and that was one of the very first really huge celebrity makeup brands that genuinely became like a billion dollar enterprise. And so she still is very successful when she wants to promote things and is yeah, famous for being famous, but also she was genuinely a small child did not have a choice in being on the television show, but continued to like, you know be on the television show and make a career of a result and do other things And then she was at the next game sitting in between nextext to Cham She will Chalamet. You can see, I'm not of your generation. I'm like your grandpa here. What is this with Kylie Jenner? Anyway, I hope that satisfies scratch a little bit of that itch you might No, look, she was a very good girlfriend to like show up at the, you know at the next game I mean, to court side.. And because that's apparent unless you're Spike Jones who pays for Sike Lee, sorry, who pays for his tickets. The implicit agreement when you are given the court side celebrity Rad tickets at the next game is that you will be excited. You'll show up you' wear the merch. That's why Taylor Swift and the Him sisters made the custom t shirts because like you know So that was so they could get free tickets, The richest woman in Yeah music. So she could get free court side seats Actually, even with all the money in the world, you probably couldn't get the court side. I was going to say it's not even about the money thing. at that point, it is literally a list that the next organization and Mountison Square Garden has where they can be where and then they will move people around based on who was important and whatose seats were those that they lost it to Kylie Jenner, though, that's my. Oh no, Chalamay is a genuine hardcore long timee Nicks fan. They are going to let head seats probably. Yeah and she's a plus one. and of course they're going to let a very famous influential girlfriend who's going to show up and cheer. Of course they're going to give him a seat. It's like, you know, Ben Siller always brings his wife, right? Like No, like that's you get the plus ones of celebrities. but no Chalam like skips the met galla one year to go to the next game, which ball or move. so he's he's a real one. so There was a very thank you. This is all to just scratch Christina's rocket itch. Thank you very much. thank you for indulging me. and I'm sure genuinely like ninety percent of the audience hated all of this. I apologize No in TV terms, Jason, isn't this called a back dooor pilot Yeah, yeah, that's that's exactly right. It is like Harry visits visits the gang at the Brady Bunches. Yeah. Hey, we've been adopted the regular the regular viewers of the show were like, this is not the show I signed up for. they're like too bad We We werere trying something out here and we'll see I that whole time too. I like I'm try to putting myself in the mind of Leo that it's like What do you mean? Like Rober Kardashian Yeah I think back to OJ. That's where I go with that Yes That's how it all started, of course. Well, I mean, that's how we all know never lived to see it. Well, that's how we we know their names really as you know, many of Well, you know, you know Kendall's middle name is Nicole. Oh Oh man Oh, there's some trivia. Yeah. B's Kendall She's the model sister. Okay she's like two years older than Kylie. And so the order goes, Courtney, Kim Chloe, Rob, we don't care about Rob, Kenob, Kylie I just at the Nick game, the four of them There was the there was what is it? Chal? Chal. Chalam and Kylie. And then on either side, there were two other people I can't remember who they were, but it was a very funny meme on X. com of the four of them itt Yeah I think I think at one point he was sitting next to Tina Fay, I think at one point in one of the games because this all ofes. Yeah. Well they will exactly. And some of them always get cour side like Ben Stiller, who is now doing like a documentary with HBO and the N organization and Jen on his iPhone, so this is now actually relevant to this podcast, like shot some of the most amazing like courtside footage that you'll ever see in your life on his freaking phone and then shared it on Twitter Awesome. But yeah, there are people who will always be allowed to be courtside.ike Sikey has famously pays for his seats so he doesn't have to follow any of their BS But he's also admitted that he's paid over ten million dollars to the next organization over the last forty years, which I think werere fifty years, which is inssane, but, you know, good for you, Spike there we go. we got all that in I hope you do. Thank. Yes. Christina, not not only do I want to listen to, whatever the next episode of the show is be I wantan to be a guest. I want you to be a guest. producer. I'll just behind the scenes. like occasionally you know, are you kidding me? We could talk so much about Sndheime and Broadway? and Okaykay, let's confab offline because yes, there's something here I watched the movie Marty Supremea. That should count for something, right It was a great film. It was a great film No, you didn't like it. I I thought I thought it was good. Yeah. And that's Jason Snell. byy the way if he only had a watch cap would look exactly like Wh's Waldo. Y. wearing the USA jersey. ye, that's good. I like it A appppreciate.'s good to have all of you here explaining to this old man, what's really going down in the real world. This episode of Mac Break Weekly brought to you by Web Rot If your computer feels sluggish, if it heats up When you open a few tabs If it sounds like it's preparing for liftoff every time it runs, you could be like Andy and go out and buy a new one, but really it may not I don't want to take away your license to buy. 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Visit webroot d. com slash twwit to learn more. that's webroot. com slash Thank you, Webroot for support and MacBreak Weekly webroot. com Slash M since we were talk in the generers as well talk Android briefly, very briefly. donon't get your Don't worry But there are some nice features which Andy, I'm sure can talk about in the new Android seventeen swwitch which will suck up your Mac or your Apple iPhone settings, including your home screen, your wallpaper They've really done a bang up job on this. Yeah, and I keep wondering like how like Who befriended whom between an apple and Is there like a Capulet and Monague sort of thing where they're mating each other by the garden wall? Well you know how that ended with a kitty cat. Well Messages migration including SMS MMS RCS and I message history. Including media, stickers, etcetera, go over intact. yourour home screen, wireless transfer using Wifi Uh passwords, passkeys, WiFi credentials, alarms App developers can allow in app data transfer between devices Call history. Calendar attachments, Apple notes and attachments and labels That's pretty amazing. Yeah. That's pretty that's pretty comprehensive. That's pretty much the whole lot And anybody who's ever switched switched from one platform to another knows that there iss there's like the twenty percent that's dead easy. There's the forty percent that's possible. And then there's the the remainder which is like Maybe I don't need that data because it'd be so hard to move it over. I wonder if Apple did a tF for ten and said, okay, ye knowing that they're the stronger of the two Maybe if we give you this on Android, you could do the same for us because they know there'll be more Android switchers to I And also they're dealing with a regulatory worldwide environment it's going to be helpful It's going be very helpful to have all that already in place and it doesn't really cost them anything. so why not? There are some security issues you should know about and privacy issues. Apple did patch a high severity Eavesdropping vulnerability in the Beat stududio buds What? Can I listen in on somebody's studio buds CVE twenty twenty five. It's a year old. Yes, twenty twenty five twozer seven hundredzero one allowed improper authentication of the firmware running on Bluetooth related chips whichich meant that people with signal range within signal range could impersonate devices prereviously paired with earbuds so they can eavesdrop on your conversations When you're paired with the the beats Wow. This was an older or' a year old. Well, I was going to say, I remember reading about this Bluetooth bug. if it's the same one that I'm thinking of, yeah, it would have been about a year ago. and look, hey, at least they patched it because just now. Well honestly, I'm not even going to shame them that much for it because if it's the bug that I was thinking of that I think they should off it like you know, or Congress or one of those things. Most of those manufacturers are never going to update. We're going to Black hat. And one of the things they say when you're going to Black hat and FCOon is do not bring Bluetooth devices of any kind Or if your iPhone has Bluetooth turn it off Um I guess this is why Bluetooth snarfing I think is what they call it There are unpatchable exploits For the A twelve and A thirteen older chips, admittedly, in Apple devices researchers a paradigm ship of shift. published the details of USB Liter eight, new unpatchable iPhone boot Rom vulnerability. that enables arbitrary code execution on devices powered by the A twelve and the A thirteen Wow I think you'd probably have to have access to those devices, although what often happens withith other security flaws,, including zero cllick flaws is they chain them Yeah So knowing that you have USB leader eight sitting around, you could chain that with some sort of zero click on messages for instance. And maybe according to the report I'm looking at right now, it has to be in DFU mode. also has to be connected via USB to a dedicated very. Well, like yeah, I mean but the thing is like if someone There there are a there are a lot of when you when you move through borders now ' kind of expecting to hand over your phone take it to a back room. So any vulnerability is a bad vulnerability at this point. This would's it would have been a different sort of thing. It would Oh, w, what a fun academic impractical thing seven or eight years ago. and now it's like, this is the reason why I have an older phone that still runs that I can wipe Whenever I travel I have to cross a border. and by the way, there is a exploit, a proof of concept already on GitHub. so. presumably nation states have access to this as well. You do have to be tethered But again, anytime you see an exploit like this, there's always the risk down the road of it being tied to other exploitits. that this is just one way to exploit a certain That's one expression of a larger problem that has not been reallyally investigated again, yeah And there is a Apple High alert scam out there You might have seen the iCloud storage is full scam Uh this is now the Apple High alert scam pest company warning people it's a phishing scam and I'm warning you don't fall for this Smer affairs. Notes the messaging offer includes phrases like security, breach detected. yourour iPhone has been compromised and high alert U you'll get a phone call, an email, a text message or a browser pop up claiming to be from Apple. Don't fall for it Okay. It's, you know, when you see something that says high alert, you kind of go. And that's why they do that. You might jump Tell your friends and family too the URL does not have Apple. com as as the main domain, not Apple. dot comot bad guys are us. com Uh, then you're you're not better off not clicking it. It should end with Apple B blackh is a support document. You might send to people on how to recognize and avoid social engineering schemes. sb unfortunately, it's a support document most people will never see You can send the link to friends and family. S Grandpa Leo, donon't open that. What? Yeah? But it's a high alert. the great the reason why like I and so many of us have like that subsite bookmarked is because when we get pushedback against, oK, fine. don't trust me. hereere is a Apple support document that echoes exactly just told you And now It's time For the Vision P segment Oh, we got the Alutision Avision proro The Soul version. Look at J. Please don't go Vision OS twenty seven is available in beta. U some interesting new features. actuallyctually I think it's Nightscape in our club Twit singing its praises Um I O of course, don't have a Vision Pro. I haven't played with it. Jason. you probably haven't put twenty seven on your vis. I have, but I haven't done beta. Again, if you' got Division Pro, why are you not on the betas?ust be on the betas. Like might as well that's why you the point is the future. It's not the It's going to disrupt your daily work. Oh my God, my work my work You know for the future put the betas on it. But the beta two has the series stuff in it. So haven't I haven't updated to that one yet. Yeah But I look forward to it becausecause the glowing orb of Siri then can be in your house. Oh, that's not until beta two. It's in beta two. The n't is going to be floating on your desk yet. That is pretty cool He says you can also invoke invoke the new AI. I'm trying to scroll back through his messages through I think a pinch as well So' an augmented reality cat telling you that there's a smoke smoke alert In the other room, please follow it And the fox will take you to the store. just follow the fox Oh, there's a little kitty. Yeah. lookook at of yourers. My cat is investigating my shelves. The same shelf, it's always been, but you know how cats are Aually I moved some stuff around. so now there's more room up there for a cat to jump up, but she didn't jump up despite the fact that there's room for her to jump up. There needs to be a cat bed in the one shelf right back there. The cateds are the cat beds are in the part that you can't see But what if you wanted to see What if you wanted to see the cat? No no, you make a good point, John Ashley put it somewhere we can see it. M That's what u Anthony Nielsen does. He's a maxim attached to his desk Tiberius will just sleep right there over his shoulder U I guess we should mention and we already mentioned a little bit, but Snap has launched what is essentially a vision pro competitor, at least price wise. two thousand one hundred and ninety five dollars Uh and this is the one that Annie sent compared to a Souvenir hockey stick. You're actually think the pictures do not do justice. Like when you see the CEO of Snap at the event and he turns to his side and you're like, that can't possibly be the real thickness and size of those side pieces That's what happens when you don't have a phone to attach to. you have to put it all in the glasses. Yeah, it's like Charles Nelson Reilly from the front, but from the side I don't know what it is. Yeah. They also Eevan is not wearing them during the Bloomberg Technology summit, but they they did have an event announcing these glasses Um Look, it's not a VR helmet. It's an augmented reality device, but apparently has a bigger display than the meta pl a wider display you know, it I mean, it's I mean, I maybe shouldn't make so much fun out of these because these are first generation things, okay? And they are like independent. they don' they're not tethered to anything else, which is a big step forward I mean, even like looking head on because you there you can see out of them, but like even everyone outside trying to see in. there's like this little haze over your over your eyes. for people interacting with you and they look kind of crazy on your face And I mean, as as usual, I love the idea of these glasses. likeike again, not just simply there's a little side sidew wave display that pops up little alerts and little widgets. I'm saying it is supposed to be like an actual augmented reality, a layer of reality over what you're actually seeing through these glasses. That's what we want Yeah, I mean that's I mean, I can as with Vision Pro, I can see putting them on I could see them like a laptop where you raise the lid and you expose the screen and you do the thing you want to do for ten minutes or four hours. And then when you're done with the thing you wanted to do, you close the lid. you take off the glasses I don't see I don't see people walking around with this particular sort of thing on a day to day basis or even for like two or three hours unless there is a specific they want to sit down and have a workspace in front of them Again, in terms of just last Friday, I was using one of my favorite features of Google Maps, which is you are being very confusing Google Maps. You're sending me through the Harvord Business School campus. and I don't know that you're telling me to take this footpath or this main sidewalk and you simply hold up the camera, it will superimpose big, huge cartoonish arrows over the video, live video and we'll say, no, no, this way, this way, this way That's great, but I don't we're a very long way from the sort of world in which I would be wearing a pair of glasses that would be worthwhile. the battery, the price, the weight, the the disruption of my goofy face, just to have it when I need that little functionality from time to time. Snap, CEO Evan Spiegel addressed the competition saying those copycats up north, I think referring to Meta. We're going to be stealing this one. We' filed more than seven thousand patents and when asked about the two thousand one hundred and ninety five dollars price. pointed out Not very helpfully that the original nineteen eighty four Ale Macintosh would cost eight thousand dollars in today's currency. Yeah. So there. Yeah, that worked out really well for everybody who was like who used that same argument about why the Vision Pro was going to sell like like gangbusters. And I guess what No. two thousand dollars in today's currency is two thousand dollars in today's currency. So That's meaningful. anyyway I'm you know, I'm really glad people are doing these devices and someomebody up front's gonna take the arrows in the back or in front or all over to the knee for sure Let's hope they advance the technology to the point where at some point we really get something that It's useful I think it's got to be Apple. It's gota be somebody makes a phone Bezone is really good at Pwter. Really good at designing fashionable things. That's true. That's why Apple has a large leap ahead, even if they come in a year later And Andy found this one, the latest version of Apple's Reality compomposer three which is used to build spatial experiences for Vision Pro Apparently contains traces of a game called The machinery. What is this, Andy? It's actually a game engine that apparently was being worked on for a long, long time and then mysteriously abandoned in twenty twenty two Was it being worked on by Apple? Unknown apparently it was now this is based on code that was discovered inside the inside Really compomposer Pro three. It justag intriguing mayaybe Apple was behind M Romer has some background on this that There was there was they were building this ent a company was building this entire game engine. It's not known whether Apple licensed this game engine or acquired the company that was that was producing this game engine. In fact, I'll quote here, but the presence of the identifiers throughout Apple's code suggests at least some of the projects ideas have somehow found their way in Apple's spatial computing development tool set. Which would make sense because if in the early two thousands when they have decided that the Vision Pro was going to be a thing and that this is not only just going to be a thing, but a category the ability to create a spatial environment with graphical elements You're basically going to bere you're basically going to need a game development platforms for that And if you're just simply going to buy this thing that's sort of fledgling that says a lot of promise, it's a good foundation to build upon. whether or not any of this stuff is actually still working or whether this is just simply bibbs and bobs of old code that are now serving new functions is unknown, but it's interesting. It's always fun when a beta comes out and people on whether it's a Google product, whether it's a new phone or an Apple product, they' just looking for these strings that reference things that have only meaning to people inside the spaceship. and that could mean everything, could mean nothing Interesting that you see this nothing nothing ever truly dies. When a company gets acquired, when a project gets cancellled, the legacy still remains. the fingerprints, the perfume lingers And as Mac Rumors points out, the founder and CEO of the machinery, which made the machinery now works in Apple's spatial compomuting development tool team So Trisha Gray so M Maybebe maybe Trishia Gray just liked those variable names and just kept using them. I don't know, who knows I think that's I love that. That's a that's a little mystery Mbe maybe soft And that is your Vision Pro. Sgment, do we have to close? W M Jones? We're done talking theion pro. Okay. Wincy Wincy did not survive the m. The bud the budget didt call for. Good the reportos. Okay, good. It was two min men You're watching Macbak weeekly, Andy, Jason and Christinea and we're so glad you're here. A spepecial thanks to our Club Tit members who make all of this possible. Club Tit members get a lot of benefits When they join, ten bucks a month, gets you ad free versions of all the shows, gets you access to the Club Twit Discord, gets you special programming. and I always forget to mention H because there are no ads in the cllub twwit versions of the shows Those versions have chapter marks. So if you're listening on a podcast client that supports it and we have a list of them, at our website twit. TVv slash cllub Twit You can skip The Kylie Jenner segment, just go right through or skip right or jump to it justust go right to it. Eactly as many will listen to. And wondering as I am, if it's Chamay or Chalamay, anyway, all of that is explained. 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I bought my daughter a new computer this week Gone. my here's my plug to work on the video edited version of Design in California, my new podcast that is coming out. The Kick starter is still going. You're keeping it in the family. Kick starter still going. Yeah, she's our video edit for upgrade and she's going to do this, but we're going to use a different process and we're going to use Final Kit Pro and she's using an thirteen inch M one macook care So design. f, if you want to support the kickstarter, it' still going through the end of the month U Thank you for your consideration. And u here's my here's my pick Apple d. com slash shop slash refurbished a great place to get Good warranty right from Apple. It's stuff that's been returned. It's stuff that's verified as being functional and you will get them for A great Price I got my daughter a fifteen inch M four MacBook air with sixteen gigs of RAM and a one terabyte hard drive for one thousand dollars. What That is a good price. Yeah. Wow. Yeah And since she lives in Oregon, no sales tax. So a varying you know, it's not You may be able to find better prices elsewhere right now actually because of Prime Day, you may find someome good prices at Amazon for some Apple stuff I have to say though, you don't know who refurbished this stuff you get at Amazon. Exactly. This is Apple refurbished from Apple. Apple stands behind it. You're basically, you know Something goes out and then it gets returned They can't sell it as new anymore. But they can put it in the refurb store, verify that it all still works, wipe it down, do some UV light, makeake sure that it's all clean, put it in the box, but then you get uh you get a deal. And if you're if you're looking for a deal or in this case too, like I don't need the latest latest. Do you have like the M four? I don't need the M five. How about the M four? That'll be fine. And you can get a deal on that. So there's lots of stuff like that you can do where you can get a pretty good deal, but also that confidence that you're buying from Apple. I bought a lot of stuff from the refurb store. deffinitely recommend it. if you don't know about it If you search Apple refurbished, you will get a link to this, but it's apppple d. com slash shop slash refurbished Just if you're thinking of buying something And you're like, it doesn't need to be brand new, latest and greatest cutting edge. It's good as new, though, right? I mean, it is unused. It is essentially It's essentially unused. I mean, they have new housing, new new accessories come in the box. I mean, even the box itself, it doesn't have like the logo on it, like like the printing stuff, but even the opening the box experience is the same as what you' get This kind of all started when California made a law It said once a box has been opened, it cannot be sold as new And so anytime something's returned even if it's never been used it cannot be sold as new. And so that's when the Reurb store opened up. And I think I would agree with you, Christina. You should only buy refurbish products from the original manufacturer because I think so Yes. You're going to stand behind. Otherwise you're buy a used product. justust let's say what it is. you're just buying it used. But from Apple, it's Apple refurbs Yeah, and Apple stands behind them, you know, with their warranty and you can put them in Apple Care and all of those things that make them good. Um, and the deals are good. like again Depending, I always go there first because it's like if I'm going to buy something and they have that model. in that skew And sometimes they don't. sometometimes they don't have the color you want, they don't have the exact sue you want. But if they have it Even if I save like fiftyll or one hundred dollars, iss like, why would I not just get the refurb? It isn't just f as big a discount as you might see elsewhere because it's kind of as good as new Be because it's as good as new. But itsah it's like the secret. Yeah, the reason it's different is because it' Not well known, there is a limited supply. They only can sell the ones that they've got. It varies over time. It's all these things that Apple doesn't like. They want you to just pick the thing and buy it. And here it's like I went this week and I didn't find it. I happened to go this week and I found the one we wanted and so we got it. But like It's variable like that. But the benefit is save fifty bucks, one hundred bucks. You know, that's good. Saving money is good. So Apple Refurb more people should know about it Very good. I agree. Whan Basan Thank you very much. I want to mention something that actually I'm going to give credit to Chris Markquart We did a club show on Friday our photo show with our photographer Chris Markquart and he mentioned this and I thought, this is great. I should tell the Apple Proud about this. Yes, we scan at Yes dash we dash scan turns out and this is a good use case for Chrome Chrome supports something called WebUSB. I used it to install graphen OS on my Android, for instance. You can literally install stuff from a browser from Chrome. In this case, if you have an old USB scanner that no longer has drivers for your Mac, You can actually use this website. Wow. to do the scanning They also have a A old USB version for printers called printer Vvention which will let you print to a printer that's USB. Now that's the catch. They have to be USB They can't Now we're not talking, you know, parallel port printers. But if it's an older USB printer with no driver, You can actually use this to print. G great sites to know about if you have older hardware Yes, we scan, yes dash we dash scan. I'm sorry d. app. Let me get that right Yes, dash, we dash scan app and printervention. Perfect example of taking advantage of Chrome capabilities that aren't built into Safari And this works on anything that's supported with Chrome, including a Chrome book. Windows, of course, Android and Linux as well as Mac Christina Warren, pick of the week Well first, I want to just thank Zarf for sending me the Apple water bottle from the You got the water bottle I did get the water bottle yeah, it's in the room. I'll show it up next week. It's only new product at WWD. Exactly. exactly I got that. and then my friend David Murphy got me the crew neeck. so I'm good on that. fifh anniversary shirt is really nice. I got one of those. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah That's awesome. Wear that next week Okay. Yeah, you should wear yours and I'll wear my we'll see how hot it is because I can't have the air on while I record and it's hot right now but anyway, I'll wear sweathirt and I'll have the water bottle But than you Zar for that. But my pick actually, so one of the things that Apple showed off at WWDC was container machines, which is Yeah I was gonna to make that the pick last week, but ye andky And and and it's great. Basically the idea is that it's kind of like the way my friend Clint described it was like Apple kind of created like a instead of like the Windows subsystem for Linux, it's like the Mac. subsystem for Linux. and it's just an easier way to basically have access to you know virtual machine stuff, you know with a lot of like Linux utilities and whatnot from a container based system where your directory environments and dot files and things would be aliased with your actual path and stuff like that But what I did want to point out is that if you are interested in doing things with virtual machines, but you want on a Mac and yeah, I know this is a little bit nerdy, But you don't want there are still some limitations with what Apple's first party solution is, which to be clear, I think it's great that they're doing that There is a fantastic application called OrbSack which is how I basically use Docker or any sort of container stuff on my Mac. I don't use Docker. I don't use podman. I use OrbSack. It's free if you are an individual. the proro plan is eight dollars a month and you get support that way. But they but this way like it it's the best way that I've I've found of running containers of any sort of type So give me example of some of the containers you're running on your mac. So a lot of times I use this in dev environment stuff, right? So I'm trying to like build something and I want to test it and I want to make sure but I don't want to like bog down my own system with various versions of Python or Ruby or anything like that, right? And so basically I have, like my coding agent configure to just create a container and it'll use Orb stack on the bac end to do that and deploy whatever I want. You can run Linux in it, too. Oh yeah, can run full Linux in it. You can do all kinds of stuff I just typically use it for developmental tasks. For Docker kind of stuff. For yeah for Docker kind of stuff. Yeah. Very nice Yeah, I use a lot of Docker on my AI machine on my framework Because often that's the simplest way to get a server spongeoo or whatever. I was gonna say, and that's the thing too. And so if you have a Mac mini or something like that, you can even use this. like if there are applications that you want to run that maybe, you know are maybe web applications and whatnot, you want to access it from a server a server.. Turn into a server and use something like securely. No securely, exactly and use Orb stack Docker Desktop a few years ago made some changes, which were not ideal in my opinion. and this has like the same container engine underneath, but it runs on MacaWS in a much more efficient and native way. And then you have access to things like USB and other types of things which you don't get if you use the official Does this use the new container machines It's better than the new container machines actually. in my opinion. So the new container machines are great, but this actually is a little bit better because like I said, you can use it with USB and some other stuff. and you can still invoke it from the command line And the kid who develops it is incredibly talented. And so it looks really sweet. Yeah, Orp stack And the reason I actually chose this is because I saw that you were going to mention the container machines last week and we never you didn't get to. And I was like actually for anybody who might be into this pping or stack orb stack is something you should definitely check out. Yeahah. Yeah Very nice Thank you, what a good pick. And now, finally Last and not least By the way, that is an error. It is not the seecurity Now show yet. soon Sir I got to turn off that automated. That's running on my framework. Andonaco with his pick of the weeek. Well, we talk about a lot of different picks each and every week and what could be more exciting than a pick that's a font Lve fonts. What are you talking about? Ill tell you look could be more exciting monos space fk. O Yeah, baby. you' my language. Yeah. One character at a time. Exactly. We spend like I said, I spend most of our time pushing a cursor to the right, most of the time in a markdown editor, sometimes in a code editor and that means that I've availed myself of the right to not to blow off work for days, if not weeks just to choose the perfect monopace font. I've been using Maple Mo a lot lately you tell me if there's something better Well o, my Maple Mono, I'll check that. I might be on my list if it's not. I'm a fan of Maple Mono.. Well So after the last time I made a big like look around, I settled on Jet Brains mono Which is excellent, which is excellent. It's my standard on every single party. However, this week, I discovered Mono Lisa M OA. it was a good one.. Oh time for it. you're smiling. It's been around for six years and they they've been continually updating it. It's it got it got my attention this week because they came up with a very an entirely new version of it, which is lots and lots of stuff that only type nerds would understand, but also they also have a There's now there's Monol Lisa code, but also Monolisa text which is variable width. And it is such a pretty, pretty, pretty space. It's I'm I set it up in Ulysses the other day and I'm really, really liking it because the whole point of Amonospace font, at least the way I use it in Ulysses and BB Eit is that it's not supposed to call attention to itself. It's supposed to be very, very practical, very, very functional. If you put in a terminal that you basically there's no confusion about what command you're about to enter, that sort of thing because I'm writing a lot of text like thousands of words, I like it to be a little bit pretty. It doesn't have to be fancy, but a little bit easy on the eyes. and it is a little bit of an upgrade over Jet Brain's Mono. It is a little bit wider than Jet Brains. so there's that and it's also a very, very subtle, very, very pretty piece of text, typeface. It's open type and has Again, I do not have the vocabulary of of font wonks to understand all the stuff that they've added to this and all the things that are that they they've wired into this. All I'm saying is that it's I'm really, really enjoying it. It's making my very, very bare bones markdown editing environment even prettier. Now, there's good news and bad news on how to get it You just go to mononoisa. dev, no problem. There is a trial version that is free The only limitation is that it doesn't have like the million in one like unicode like extended sets. It's perfectly good for what I do, which is writing, mayaybe it wouldn't be good for coding, who knows. And you also you only get the regular and the bold variants of it. That's just the demo version. and you can keep it forever two different other versions that give you the entire thing, the developer dition and the creator edition. and I've been looking at this site ever since I decided I really, really like this font. I cannot decide whether the font cost fifty dollars one hundred and fifty dollars or like three hundred dollars because there is some sort of a basket and You can't just simply click, yeah, I just want markdown, I want boldface and italics, but that's it. But every time I cl perve weight. like But I'm like, okay, hub, I really only need one weight. and no matter what I click, it turns it to one hundred fifty dollars or three hundred dollars. so I don't know what to do However, there's again, download the test. You can also there's also a type specimen box. you can check it on the site. Definitely worth taking into to, D definitely worth giving a test drive But again, and I actually spent some time this afternoon this morning looking for an email address where I can email them and ask If I just want to use it in Ulysses, I want to give you some money, but if I don't have to give you three hundred dollars, I would like to not have to give you three hundred dollars, what do I click to get the font Yeah. Yeah Yeah I've bought this from them before. I just checked ye, I've bought it multiple times actually. And so apparently to upgrade it and this is also confusing. So I'm with you on this part like it'll let me upgrade to the Mona Lisa code and text. and apparently my upgrade price will be seventy nine dollars sixty cents but then It's like It tells me that I can use it for personal and web, but I can't use it on desktop and I'm like, okay, but that doesn't I can use it my applications. Unclear, but it's a great font It's beautiful. Yeah Mona Lisa M O N O LI SA d. 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