Vision Pro Executive Departure to OpenAI

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Jason Snell is here from sixcolors. com Hello Jason. Hello. It's Tuesday. the day you wait is here You're waiting for tomorrow in that jersey. You're going to wear that all overnight and say you I mean it's the right week for it too. It's the right week for it. There's a World Cup game and fourth of July on Saturday and you know, I'm watching game three of the group round and Australia I think Australia is playing at the same time Somebody's got striped shirts and I thought, oh I a picture going USA and it turns out it was every somebody or somebody. It was the wrong. Yeah. I think only one team should have Wres Waldo shirts. There's only so many Well they have they have multiple, they don't play each other in the confusing shirts, right? not the. Thank goodness. work It's okay because like our shirts are white with red stripes. theirir shirts are red with white stripes. to go. That did not go. E if in Star Trek, when that could be terrible for the planet Yeah. and he's wearing he's the world baseball class eight years ago Wow, you recognize that right away, Jason. You must be a sport ball fan. A little bit. Yeah. Wow. And there's Christina Warren. Hello. I'm not we We're weing I am actually wearing the most American thing of all. I'm wearing a backstreet voys shirt from. No she's beautiful, right? No, that's one direction. This is from their Vegas show at the Spear last year. so yeah I wanted to see that That It was actually. It was actually amazing. You saw it Were that emerged in this from the stage and all that? Oh Yeahah, they floated. it was honestly it was. I will say this. It was one of those experiences where I looked at it and I went, okay, you know what? if they could recreate an aspect like this or like I think any of the shows to do with the Sere in the Vision Pro. That genuinely would be kind of maybe like a reason for people to buy a Vision Pro if you could recreate that s. Oh it would experience. because it has like a three if you haven't ever been to the sphere, it is like watching something in three D even though you're not wearing glasses or anything. And the way that the screens work and the it's very, very cool and it feels very immersive and it does feel like the stuff is flying out at you. And no, the concert was fantastic. They did a great job. Everybody was, you know, like reliving like, you know, being in the twelve years old, it was everyone was in white. It was really great. But I genuinely take it back to tech. I was like, okay, there are a lot of shows like this. They did the Wizard of Oz, you know, there was Pearl Jam, You too. There have been like a lot of sphere shows. If they could find a way to replicate that type of experience in a headset, but it would have to be a high end headset. I do think that you would have way more people who wouldd be interested in spending evenven more money as we'll discuss on the on the Vision Pro. Yeah. Incredible, incredible Well, you let's start with your, u your your your u viral tweet. My viral tweet. Do they call it a tweet now anymore? No, I think I can't. I mean, it's a post I think technically, but it will always be a tweet just like it always be Twitter. It's always a tweet. Tellity. one hundred percent. RIP, she writes, Anyone who didn't buy a MacBook air until today, insanity And of course there's a little, by the way, look at that. Millions of Wait a minute, just says two point nine I thought you said you eight point one million views. O cow. Yeah, yeah. Oly cow. Yeah. it's that many people liked it. that's how many people bookmarked it. Why you bookmarked that particular post? I forget this. Right. no, that's not an important thing to do Yeah, that was I just post s that off at five forty five in the morning right as the news broke. and wasn't thinking anything of it and then all of a sudden, I was Wait. Well, I'm impressed that you're up at five hundred forty five checking Apple News. That's pretty That's pretty impressive. So it was a big story on what is that? the twenty fifth. So we kind of had five days to get used to it now, but Apple raised the prices predicted this. I think it was you Andy who said the fact that Tim Cook mentioned this in the Wall Street Journal a day or two earlier Maybe it was Mark Grman means it's going to happen sooner than later. I thought this was the beginning of a long campaign to get ready for the fall, but no I have to say that I was very surprised that it was literally one week later, prices not just went up but went up on old stuff and hugely substantially. as in people now complaining that I thought I was I thought I'd saved enough to buy X in August and now have to save up some more. That really, really surprised me. You actually were the bellweher for this because you bought your MacBook pro. I'm the nick of time. I bought it like within an hour It was posted at five PM and I bought my new MacBook like an hour within within an hour later. A lot of people were rushing because it's Prime Day and a lot of people were rushing to Amazon to get the remnant inventory. That's all gone now. If you're just learning about this, sorry. and some stores actually decided to raise their prices probablyably because they're out of stock And so there's some I've seen some people on Reddit saying, oh I bought it a few days ago at the at the old price, but then I got an email saying that no we've canceled your order and we don't have stock Emory Armageddon has arrived, wrote the Wall Street Journal. Apple's stock price still hasn't fully recovered from the Decline lost quarter a quarter of a trillion dollars on that one day, and it's still only a halfway to recovery this morning. Tim Cook says the memory guys are passing along huge price increases. reallyally, I mean, look, nobody can be mad at Apple or can they I think you can be, but I think it has to be tempered, right? Like I think that there are some It's complicated because obviously this crisis is not their fault. And Apple, better than any other company, has locked in on long contracts on memory pricing. Most suppliers, manufactrs only do monthly or maybe quarterly contracts, Apple, from my understanding, does yearly contracts And they have been able to do that because just of the sheer volume of components that they buy at once and that they can play hardball. So I think that that's why one of the reasons why they were able to maybe withstand things as long as they could That said, when you look at where the pricing is and what it is subject to what it was before, I think there are in some categories where you can go, okay, this feels commiserate with what your pricing is. And let's be clear, Apple has always had very high margins and this is what distinguishes them from the other PC manufacturers that they have Ver, very high margins That said, like I said, there are some product classes and I'm sure we'll talk about this. you, this is setting them up for future releases and refreshes as it were, But when I see a four year old Apple TV going from one hundred and thirty nine dollars or one hundred and forty nine dollars to one do ninety nine c and two do forty nine cents No, I'm so sorry. that is not defensible. And that to me is no one should buy that. right? Like there's no universe where you as a consumer should buy an Apple TV at that price right now. It is four years old withith what it's what replaces it, assuming we get a replacement in the fall, mayaybe that will be worth, you know, two hundred do or two hundred and fifty dollars, but the current stuff no I also think that the storage and RAM upgrade pricing that they're doing on the configured to order stuff is it feels overly egregious even for the memory crisis that we're in I'm just going to say that Yeah, there's a lot of data we don't know about. You're absolutely right that we have is this isn't coming out of the blue and Apple's not the first one to have to make these sort of adjustments. But the thing is we don't know what position Apple is in right now. For all we know, they're actually eating a lot more profit margin than they want to to keep it as bearable as possible But also for all we know, they just simply said we want to keep our price our margin exactly where it is. So we are not even going to suffer one more quarter about this. We are going to pass all of the expenses on to the consumer. So we don't know, but I mean there's no The only reason there are lots of people to be mad at Apple would be low on that list because now we're hearing from more analysts who are basically saying that I think Merrill Lynch was saying that we're not going to see any relief until at the end of twenty twenty seven at the earliest. I think MingXQuo said that twenty twenty eight until we start to see some sort of relief. And when we even start to see stories about how Apple is Like they're not they're perfectly happy to make new silicon with with a two nanometer process. But the thing is it's all booked out. so they have to basically book a new process only because that hasn't been all sold out yet. It's very really hard to know where we're going to find the bottom of this problem and it's just going to keep reaching out as tendrils hitting a lot of people right where right in the upgrade path Do we blame AI for this? Yes. Oh of course as usual. But default position is to blame AI. Yeah. notot me, not me. AI. I'm talking about artificial intelligence. Yeah. ye No, it is. I think I'm struck I mean, you think about the inflationary period we've gone through and the fact that Apple really likes to have its prices be consistent. The result has been that Apple has essentially been allowing products to become more affordable over time by holding the line on pricing And clearly they reached that breaking point where they're like we can't do that anymore because they they hate doing this from a like just from a consistency perspective, they hate it. But you know what they hate more is losing They're big profit margins. And the truth is, a lot of the arguments I see about this are sort of like, well, they shouldn't do that. They should just eat the margins. It's like, well, I think they have been eating margins to a certain point that they could have kept raising prices over the last five years and they haven't. But they are, I mean, all the people who make these decisions have Apple stock and the stock market really likes the big margins. And like that is part of Apple's deal and has always been part of Apple's deal is the company has enormous margins on hardware. And they reach the point where They got to put everything up. I agree with Christina Um, it feels Not only are there bad deals in here, right? Like the Apple TV, I have to think that the reason they're doing that is that they know that they're gonna to have a more capable Apple TV this fall and they would rather just put the price up now rather than have that new product be seen as outrageously expensive. But the result is that their existing product, they're basically hanging a do not buy sign on it and like so be it, that's their decision. The other way to go would be to price those to move. Kning that your next one was going to be much more expensive, but they didn't choose to do that. I will say I get real nostalgic vibes In this last week it's like I feel like this is what it used to feel like and I didn't realize over the last five years, how much more affordable A lot of Apple productucts felt to me. a nine do ninety nineents MacBook air that's a modern MacBook air. you're like nine ninet nineents in twenty twenty four is a really great deal. And I look at the prices today and I think oh, this is how it felt in twenty eighteen twenty seventeen, where everything Apple madeade was a little too expensive, but you winced and you bought it because and you know, I don't think we all noticed that over the last five years, they've tried to hold those prices as inflation has gone up and they have become more affordable And then there's some instances like the Mac McNeo, right? which like it's a real bummer that the Mac McNeo is going up by one hundred. However, a thing to keep in mind is so is all the competition And so in some ways The MacBook Nia is still playing in the same market and still has a pretty great price. just because all the competition also is made of they're all made of RAM chips, right? They're all made of SSDs, they're all dealing with this it's just really sad because we're probably never going to see that price again, right? That five price is never coming back. I'd also like to say that Oh Tim did last week boy, what I mention he would if he just said if he had not pre announced by the way, there's going to be there's going to be big price increases coming one week before he knew there was going to be actual substantial prices coming Apple would still be suffering the same stock hit, the same cost of goodwill, the same grumbling, the same problems, the same everything. But a lot of people like myself would not have been able to get the device they that they had budgeted for at the price they had budgeted for it. will I will defend the statement that he didn't have to do that, but he did that, even though there must been a lot of discussion about what the effects would be and he helped I think he helped a lot, a lot of people. And I think that he should get credit for that Micron's CEO or actually chief business officer, Sumit Sedana, blamed Apple. He said, we told this is from the Wall Street Journal. We told a couple of the customers who were being very aggressive with pricing guuess who at that time This is not constructive Micron's gross profits went negative during the last memory downturn And he said, we blame Apple. Well, he didn't say Apple. We blame those aggressive people A lot of the industry investments got shut down in twenty twenty three because of really poor pricing and really poor margins. So Apple If you hadn't pressed us for lower prices in twenty twenty three, we wouldn't be screwing you customers in twenty twenty six. Boo who Yeah cim me a river, like seriously, seriously, boohoo indeed. L that is laughable, that is laughable. Like, okay, it's Apple's fault that you didn't reinvest in your business. I mean, there's look, there's some truth to the fact that like me said they couldn't because they weren't making any money. They Okaykay, yes, that's yes. like the nature of memory is that it is cyclical. This happens to be a very projected boom market that we've never seen before. And that's why Micron is making eighty five percent profit margins, even though they're selling the same amount of capacity. So congratulations. But it's not like these booms and bus cycles haven't happened before. This is not a new thing, which to me says that if I'm the CEO of a business and I know that I can't plan on things always being the same way, then maybe I should hold some things back so that I can reinvest When capacity increases, like maybe that should be part of my annual planning process. Maybe it shouldn't be I'm going to blame, you know my number one suppliers. Like I'm sure that Apple didn't help, but do we think Samsung did? Do we think that ASUS did? we think anyone else did? No, of course not. So is Apple just supposed to not Two things can be true at once. Apple can be taking advantage of this situation to raise prices in a way that to Jason's point, maybe, you know, things have been inflationary and they hadn't adjusted, right But we also can't say that we shouldn be expecting one you know, trillion dollar company to be supporting another trillion dollar company. come on Well but Bernie Sanders does. He says corporate greed is Tim Cook The billionaire Apple CEO. Claiming I should do it in a burny voice. Claiming that hiking prices on Apple products by over two hundred dollars is unavoidable after it made one hundred twelve billion in profits last year and spent three hundred tenill billion dollars. on stock buybacks. the price hack hikes aren't unavoidable. They're unacceptable Yeah In other words, he's saying Apple, Well you should take some of that profit, that huge profit you making and give us a break. Whcrd, by the way, is not holding back. They broke ground Earlier this year on a hundred billion dollars Fab in New York they're going to build more capacity now. It takes a while to build those fabs. That's the problem, though. They didn't bother to start that process until this year. I mean from the things that I've read, and we've known that this memory crunch was coming for at least eighteen months. and none of the suppliers wanted to do that. And you know in fact, what Micron did is they exited the consumer space completely, which look, fair enough, if you're making all your money from data centers, go for it. And someone in the chat mentioned that because of the price fluctuations, we've lost some smaller memorory suppliers. That's absolutely true. And I'm not saying that the know people that they negotiate with that there aren't side effects of that, right? Everything is involved in this, but I just don't I feel like blaming Apple or, you know, any of the, you know people who are just buying from the suppliers is kind of missing the point. If we wanted to do something about this and we really feel like this is predatory and unfair and these lock upp deals that they're forcing companies to get in with are not okay Then that's when government regulation would need to step in, right? How myiths would say this is the invisible hand of the market at work. This is capitalism. but mean his hand metaphor Alexander Ocasio Cortez also chimed in on this actually on Fox News, believe it or not basasically using this as using this as another example of why big tech companies need to be broken up or antitrust. I think that I don't think I don't agree with that either. but It's going to be another reason for a lot of people to have a lot of conversations about how these large companies do business. And when it's when you find in a situation where suddenly it's not going to just be about, oh, well gosh, I was going to buy I was going to build a gaming PC, but now I can only have a terabyte of storage instead of I was playing on four terabytes of storage. When it comes to Well, now certain medical equipment can't be manufactured. Now smaller electronics companies have to go out of business because they were doing just fine, but now they there's no way they can possibly compete with all of the big shoulders that are trying to get capacity and trying to get trying to get components. That's going to I hope that provokes a larger conversation about the when we have so much power consolidated in so few tech companies Even though I don't think that Apple is evil. I don't think Google's evil. I just think that when you have such big shoulders and you walk through a crowd, you have to be responsible for the people who get knocked over because you are just such a big galute. There is a lawsuit in California against Apple's three big Memory providers, Samsung, SK Heynx and Micron saying they coordinated DRAM production cuts in order to drive up memory prices. That's an interesting Ausation I it's investigated. I was going say mean good good luck proving that, right? But I will say what does feel like price fixing are some of the deals that Micron and some of the other manufacturers are doing where they're basically saying, sign into a five year agreement with us. We will give you a floor and a ceiling and the price that you pay will be somewhere in the middle and it'll depend on demand. And I guess you just have to trust us That doesn't feel Okay. I mean, I think that if you want to have a if you as a supplier make a bad decision to say, I'm going to agree to sell you grapes for fifty cents a bushel the year and then you have a drought and you don't get as many grapes and now all of a sudden you've made aad deal. Well that's on you as a supplier. But to put it out like that many years in advance and be like, well, there's a floor and there's a ceiling. it'll be somewhere in the middle And we'll figure it out. I don't know. doesn't that doesn't sit right with me. It isn't the first time it turns out that Samsung has been accused and agreed to be fined. For this, they agreed to pay a three hundred million dollars criminal fine in two thousand five. S Kinx agreed to pay one hundred eighty five doars million dollar criminal fine that same year. It's not the first time they have been accused of and admitted to prrice fixing. this is the Department of Justice. then this is Andrew Or writing an Apple Inider. So there will be court orderered discovery whichich is always the most interesting qu of any lawsuit. Congratulations. there may be some interesting. If they were smart, they didn't put anything in writing, but Well mean they say I find myself thinking that they're famous saying that the law the rules in the fire code are written in blood that every time there is a new disaster that proves that no we need this law, that's when that's because that's how that rule got added to the book. And I think the same thing is true in business and in finance that when we see a disaster that we didn't see coming, we have to that's That's at least a provocation to to under start to think about should we regulate this more strongly than we did before because this is the idea of this sort of problem existing for another two years We don't know what the knock on effects are going to be. and we don't know who's going to be on the floor and who's going to be still standing. And I have to think Apple's pretty unhappy about all of this, especially because The AI revolution giveth and takeeth away. They've sold a lot of Mac minis and Mac stududios, but good luck getting one with enough RAM to run local models. You could if you could get say five, twelve gigs of RAM in a Mac studio It actually be an amazing. I think I think Min i Kuo had had a post whether on his on his medium or on something else basically saying that the next the iPhone eighteen notothing was going to have nine gigabytes of RAM. which seems a little thin for an AI based phone. It's something I would have expected on like the eighteen E guess if that is again, it's just a rumor, M i Po is very, very good on supply chain stuff, but I bet that Apple now has a lot of plans for how far can we distill Gemini so that we don't need to count on twelve gigs, which is what we were planning on as of last year Right? I mean, I think I think what this means is that a lot of the local AI story really becomes more to a private you know cloud compute and talking about how important all that is because now you can have all these features happening, know, off device instead because hey, if the data centers are going to be built and used, we might as well use them if we can't get the rAM to put it in our phones. But ye no, I agree with you. I thought that sounded a little bit thin too, especially given the direction everything else has been going, But it might just be as simple as they went with what they went I had this thought and I would love the panel's thought on this, when they released the new monitors and a couple of the other things a few months ago, we were well, I was critical of the pricing. I was extremely critical of the pricing I'm now wondering if that was already them Apple already feeling what the RAM pricing was at that moment for those products that they weren't locked into and was was priced around that. so that that's why the new studio display is the same price as the old one, even though it's not really any better. And then the replacement for the pro display is What it is it three thousand two hundred dollars? It's a ridiculous price. And I would still argue that you don't need that much rM in the monitors anyway you could probably do better putting it in some of your other products. But I wonder if maybe that was already where we were seeing direction where this was going to go, like I don't know. I'm a little skeptical because that was the same event where they did the Mac Mc Neo, right? Yeah. So I mean, it's possible. One of the things that's hard for us to divine out of all of these prices is what's built in to these new prices? because My guess and this is just a guess, is that one of the things that's built in is actually more margin because they anticipate these will continue to be expensive or get more expensive and they don't actually want to keep raising prices, right? So it's possible that one of the reasons these went up so much is not because Apple is trying to get back to level, but that Apple is actually trying to get ahead a little bit so that they don't do this again in six months because I think we got to come back to it again. Apple hates raising prices. They hate it. They absolutely do. They like making money. They like making large profit margins on their hardware, but what they don't like, and this has been true for the last fifteen years, at least is floating their price around at least in the U. S. I know that in other markets they do it sometimes they don't like it, but they do it. They hate doing it in the home market of saying You know, maybe a new product costs a different price, but to just change all the prices They don't want to do it and they don't want to do it again for sure. So I do wonder about that too that maybe there's just more more margin being left here Um, just because they't want to do this again. But there's no way to tell. It's really interesting. We all have to, you know, we have very limited information for us to go on, which is just to look at the prices they that they adjusted. And we have to guess like what like the Apple TV is like, huh, why? Or the Vision Pro It's like Did you need to do that? Yeah Okay. You know, it's already ridiculously expensive. Why not two hundred dollars more expensive? Nobody's buying that anyway, so it doesn't matter ye, it's very mysterious. So they didn't raise prices on iPhones On watches, on airPods. That's it That in the polishing cloth. And the polishing cloth. and the polishing cloth Because there's no Ram. there's no Ram in airple polishing cloth. Yeahah. or in the airpods. Oh I guess you're right. Yeahah, that makes sense. I think that for the watch and the phone, they know that those are, you know the phone especially, think that Apple's going to wait as long as they can. If that means having to eat more margin on the No, fine. If that means having to raise price and maybe to Jason's point to price and what they fear our future increases, maybe that's the case. I think that they want to hold the line on the phones as much as they can Bye They did say for now. And if you look at the iPad pricing You know we didn't even talk about that, but like the pricing there was actually, I think, some of the worst and it just did across the board just in terms of percentage and also just for value. like you know twelve dollarsy nine cents for a MacBook A, that's a lot of money. I'm not just denying that. But I can still make an argument that that's a really good computer for one thousand three hundred dollars It's very, very, very hard for me to now make an argument about anything in the iPad line It honestly is. it's like my advice is by used to be totally honest. Christina, I wonder if one of the things they're trying to do with these price increases is actually manage Product volume And I know that's a weird thing to say. No that makes sense. But the idea of like You know, if we're gonna to sell products, maybe the iPad needs to sell less right now. right? Like if you really want one, well let we'll let you get it, but you gott to spend a lot of money on. I had that thought when I looked at those iPad prices, that's exactly what I thought is. Maybe they're actually trying to suppress iPad sales for a little while so they can use that RAM somewhere else othertherwise they're so expensive That iPad P especially is just so expensive now Well, all of you who bought new devices, you can congrat, pat yourself on the back, Andy.. Well, I got an iPad pro a couple months ago and I gro math my way into it because I was like, oh, you know, my M two P, which uses the old keyboard and the old stylus, I don't need to get the new one, but I'm never going to get this much for trade in for it otherwise. so I might as well just do it Anyway, the girl math for once genuinely only ones actually worked out in my favor this time. Did you call it N? It's weird. Girl map, yes. Okay. I'm glad you said that, not me. I'm allowed to say that. it is weird though, because when I was before the announcement of the price of the price increases, I was actually kind of mapping out because I am I am staring right in front of me, I am staring in front of a six year old MacBook, a five year old iPad pro, and a four or five year old pixel seven pro. And so I'm mapping out like Obviously I this is a good like twelve month period to do like most of my upgrades. So I was already mapping things out. and I was looking at the iPad Pro and I'm thinking, particularly now with these price increases, I'm not sure if I have room for a new iPad in my in my in my order of battle, so to speak. I still I'm still looking carefully at an IPad many because that might suit the purpose of that I might have otherwise spent on on a foldable. But whereas I admit when I bought the M one iPad Pro, there was a little bit of irrational exuberance involved because I was excited about all the features specifically that the M one was going to bring to it. But when you look at this price list right now and you see that Like for any amount of storage that makes an iPad fun to use, now we really are talking in like old iPad excuse me, MacBook error money. It's like, can I justify that amount of money? And I'm not sure that I still can. So I think Jason's right. I think that for a bunch of reasons The iPad is going to see some tough times ahead for at least for sales. if Apple still has faith in it, which they absolutely do, we're still going to see updates. We're still going to see new new hardware. But I think that we're going to next time you do a graph, Jason, we're going to see we're going to see a big, big, big dip in that for any number of reasons. and maybe by choice. I mean, that's that's the advantage of them. you know, it's not these aren't individual businesses, right? It's one business that has all of these product lines. and it's completely reasonable that they might say, lookook RAams are very expensive and we don't have a lot of it. Where do we want to put it? We want to put it in iPhones and we want to put it maybe in Macs And maybe the iPad is just not as important right now. So so then the sales will go down and we all have to look at it and say you know, maybe that is the choice Apple made. Would someone coming in for an iPad be more likely, particularly now that we have like such a cheap entry level Macbook, like how do I convince somebody to spend six or seven hundred dollars on an iPad without a keyboard or a trackpad when they could get basasically the same processor inside a much more conventional machine that still has that same build quality. That was something that I was looking at too. that ye. if the role if the role of the iPad is for me is always, I have to go into town and do radio and I don't want to take a whole laptop, but I want to be able to have access to X, Y and Z It's hard it's hard to sell myself on not getting a seven hundred dollars MacBook, even at the new prices as opposed to getting an iPad. It's a hard math to navigate. If you were lucky enough to be holding on to a Mac studio with let's say five, twelve gigs of RM and you aren't using it, you probably could go to the Facebook marketplace or eBay and Make some money right now, I would think This's got to be a market. Oh, they they're for sale for like fifty thousand dollars. I don't know if anybody's buying, but they are That is apparently happening Well, they also raised the reefer prices. You know, Jason had made that as pick of the week last week and they raised the reefer prices. And look, on the one hand, I do understand this because You know, that's just price gouging. That's just g. I mean I mean I mean right right now I agree with you. I feel like they probably did it because they you know only have a certain amount of like you know, units that come in, whether they're returns, repairs or whatever. Where I think it's gouging is that I would guess and I don't have any data on this. This is just my estimate as somebody who you used to work in electronics repair many, many years ago and knows You know, had a lot of devices that most of the problems that come in with those devices are not related to the memory or the SSC. That's just my guess, right? Is it is battery, it's screen, It's maybe a transistor or something, you know on the you know main board, but it's usually not going to be SOC or memory raM issue. Soate doesn't fail Right. So in my so I can understand that even though eventually, right? like like three months from now, their supply of, you know, returned or repair devices might go up. Yeah, I do feel still feel like that is kind of kind of gouging. and it feels kind of gross to be honest. I get it, but I don't like it Apple is hoping that they can go to China to buy RAM more cheaply. But they have to petition the government for this. They want to go to the Yangtse Memory Technologies compompany, YMTC which Senator Mark Warner in a press release, I think pretty much put the ki bosh on this when he said a state owned company with extensive links to the Chinese Communist Party had its armed wing the People's Liberation Army A joint statement from Senator Warner, Virginia and Senator Mubio of Florida Both say it presents risks to national security. I'm not sure how buying memory from China poses risks to national security. It's a whole chain of like the their I mean, I think a lot of this argument is Um, China is a adversary and this is a subsidized company and so you're harming all of the compomanies that are trying to just make a living out there buy this one that's like artificially floated by the Chinese government There's once before in twenty twenty two and it worked and it's going to work again. Maybe, although I don't know. I mean clearly the transaction that Tim Cook wants from Donald Trump is we're going to agree to We do a bunch of intntel stuff in America, but in the meantime, during this emergency, let us buy RAM from these guys in China because they've got it and it will allow us to have more free flowing RAM. And it's very funny, though, because like That previous Kaiibos that was put on this, they were just going to sell the products using that RAM in China. Yeah. And even then So it's really giving youS like China. It's like, yeah,'s like you'reing money to the Chinese government. And you're also those are sales that potentially could have gotten to a company that is not funded by the Chinese government. You're weakening all the other companies by, you know, it's that argument too. You're weakening other companies because this is an artificially You can't create a company. You can't give money. You can't micr I agree. Well, it is a difference situ. there's it's a weird story because this company has been on and off the Pentagon blacklist so many times with this it's such a political football, it seems to be with a lot of arguments pro and cons with the arguments that Jason provided, but also there's the there's the argument which I can't which I can't I can't certify or whatever but the idea that well, if can we can't be in a situation where if Apple is in a position where they can't survive or they can't go forward unless they do business with this Chinese component maker, that will cause it dependence. We would much rather have you figure out a way around it that does not involve being reliant on China. There's also the question of Number one, how much product can they possibly provide to Apple? Secondly, there's the problem that we've China has been one of the reasons why there've been so many trade talks over the past couple of months is because they're trying to cool down problems that got created last year with meltdown in Chinese trade. And there's a question about how like if China realizes China realizes that there's is facing the same problem the entire world is whyy would they necessarily want to sell to an outside to a company outside China when they could basically say, well, Huawei is probably going to need those chips at some point. Chinese owned companies might need those chips. Why would we sell them outside? So it's a It's one of those miraculous times where suddenly this company that nobody has heard of becomes like one of the three things you see on every single news feeed when you go into Google newews. if you're interested in such things. So that letter I read by way, obviously, Marco Rubyo is no longer Senator But that letter I read was from twenty twenty two U Interestingly, according to Fancial Times, Apple is not barred from buying chips from Chinese chip memory makers, but the companies CXMT and YMTC that they want to buy are on the Chinese military company Blacklist could be, but they are not on, which is weird Uh, the the entity list The White House said to the commomerce Department, hold off on those export controls because we're negotiating with China. So I'm not sure why Apple I mean, I think technically Apple could I think what the report says that Apple is essentially saying, promise me that you're not going to put this company on the blacklist. You won't have to cancel all these contracts that we're so desperately trying trying to put together. And the Financial Times does point out that as in twenty twenty two, Congress would probably object strongly if the administration did say again Trump is so transactional that if he feels like the deal that he's making with Tim Cook is Intel and this was I thought transparent last week. was Intel investment will make chips in America in the future now help us out of our memory problem by letting us use these Chinese chip suppliers. And it's a It's It's just a deal and the We have a very transactional president who might go for it or he might get talked out of it. But I think that's the gambut that Tim Cook is doing here. Should point out that only Micron of the bigig three is America and the rest are South Korean. so. The whole thing is is so complicated. I was saying to someone to a friend last week when we talking about this. I said, you know, whatever part of the, you know, Samsung shyball is owner of the memory division. likeike that that member of the family has to be so excited right now that they get to board this over the faces of all the family members in like the mobile division or the TV division or anywhere else. If you've never dived into the insanity that is like the Syball system in general, but also the Samsung family in specific, that's a really fun rabbit hole. There' are Kevin We use that's the Japanese word for these mega conglomerates. Shaibball is the word that they use That's the Koreand, Okaykay. Yeah that's the Koreand, Shybal. All right, we're gonna take a break. Eough of pricing, enough of the depression. We'll talk about other things, including big tata leaks. I know you're in want to stay tuned for that. This is Mack Break Weekly with Christina Warren Jason Snell and Andy inako and Yes, I'm Leo Laaport. and I apologize in advance. 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Well, even though we're on the verge of IOS twenty seven and MacOS Golden Gate and all of that, well gu he's not quite on the verge. They Apple has continued to release updates, big updates, and these are security updates came out. I think todayod for twenty six five point two Yeah I think. Yesterday, MacOS, IiOS iPad OS Apparently dozens of security bugs. I'm wondering if this has something to do with Mythos and the new AI security Finding tools Webkit vulnerabilities big time. That's a problem because of course, webkit is what you use to get online in IOS and some of you are using in MacOS to get online Yeah, so I hey, I talked to Apple about this. You did. Nice. did and I can say I talk to them And I can say Apple says. So I talk to them about this. This is an interesting update because what happened is These are the security features that are in the twenty six point six beta which came out in late May And One of the interesting things about this AI era is that once the first beta is out with the fixes, people can analyze them instantly, including good guys and bad guys. And so that gives him a hint about what bugs are beinging fixed but not yet fixed And the twenty six six cycle has a lot of stuff in it like You know, I think that there's a there's a general thought that they're doing some pre workk on spotlight indexing so that they can push that out so that you don't have your device indexing for SiriAI for like a month in September that it will index it over the summer for you. And then when you upgrade, you'll just get it. That's what I hear through the grapevine anyway. Anyway, that cycle continues. that twenty six six appears to not be imminent Um, becausecause what they decided to do was roll all those features in now about a month later into a twenty six five point two update. So this is, I think, unique. and it may it's not necessarily a new policy, but it's a thing that I think they didn't want to wait any longer And they felt like they had a month with it in the betas to discover if there were any issues with their fixes. And essentially, I get the sense that the security people were ready to ship And twenty six six isn't So they shipped those security updates in twenty six or twenty five point to Also, u You know, they told me Like, yeah, Apple uses frontier models to look for bugs. They absolutely do. So it'ss it's on both sides, right? But they absolutely do that and they find them. And then the other thing that they noted is It's important to remember that a bug is not an exploit that generally these days, especially on Apple platforms, what you need is a chain of bugs that lead to a place. And these are often this at this level, we're talking nation state kind of stuff. Yeah. You need a chain of bugs to build an exploit. And so when Apple fixes these bugs, they're not actually feeling like they're fixing like they're like closing a door. It's more that they're reducing the attack surface, they're reducing the probability because you need to have the more bugs there are The more likelihood there is that a chain can be constructed to create an exploit They said there was they had no evidence that any of this was being used anywhere It's just stuff they found, probably using AI frontier models, right Stuff they found. And then some of the also stuff that was reported by people on the outside and their post about it cites all the CPE codes and all of that. so you can giveive those people their bounties and their credits and all of those things too. but also I suspect a lot of things they don't list in that document because they don't want anybody to know what they fixed. They found it, they fixed it. So it's really interesting, but I like the idea that in this world, they used to it seems like they used to have a system where they would just put these in the beta cycle and then they would be good And now they feel like there's no time. The Yeah, the beta cycle is going on too long and they need to get it out now. So they pushed it ahead It's always been the case that a CVE is kind of announcement here's a flaw. bad guys would immediately start to break it down. but now with AI, it's a matter of minutes. Yeah sometimes. And the developer betas Apples' betas used to be lower profile, but now like the moment developer beta one of anything ships if there's anything in it that's new. It's news, we're all talking about it, and it starts the clock for people to analyze the code changes as well. So like we just everything's moving faster right now, at least for security stuff. Like the other stuff they're working on in twenty six six Like take your time. Right? It's fine, but they don't want to wit clearly, they don't want to wait longer because it's been about a month since those came out in the developer preview. So. I should also point out we've talked about this before on security now that one of the features of mythos that have modeled anthropic put out, it was held back.' now by the way been rereleased by the Trump administration to companies only. That was one of the things it was really good at is not merely finding exploits but chaining exploits because it had such a big context window and was so capable of doing long thinking that it could find an exploit and then add another exploit and another exploit. And that's exactly what you just talked about. I think I think on when researchers, team of researchers who has like a benchmark, found out that it can it was it was able to find an exploit that was a basically a thirty two, thirty three step chain of operationsy which was kind of mind blowing here. That Yeahah, I don't think any human's done that. That's for sure. That's amazing. I don I know I don't have the patence or the just Yeah I my those will work all night. I think fable will be rereleased soon as well. I think that the Trump administration is starting to work their way up to that. So That means it'll be in the hands of others as well. So I think Apple's probably wise to be proactive and you would probably be Wise to apply these updates is your lile Apple strongly suggests that you keep up to date. and that's the best way to keep your devices secure is to install your software updates. Install the updates. You know, it's funny, Microsoft just made a change in its update system that lets people Put off updates. And I thought, I don't know if you really want to encourage that In business, especially people like to say, well, we don't want to make an update that's going to break any mission critical applications. And yet these days Those updates are more important than ever before Tata, which is the Indian company that does iPhone assembly in India U was breached six hundred and thirty gigabytes of data were stolen. Some of that data Apple data And some of it might have been leaked yesterday. videideos are being circulated on X P' picting an iPhone eighteen pro undergoing drop testing Uh twentywenty four hours later, those videos started to disappear from X And in fact, Ev leaks, which Evan Blast says is not his chan. I don't know. Evan Blast is a leaker He had Ev leaks, but I guess he says Well he wasired tired somebody else took the account I don't know if I buy that. but anyway, he says, I don't have anything to do with it, but that account for the first time has now been blocked on X Because it was releasing stuff from the T breach or something Apple didn't like. It's interesting how much power Apple has. Reuters reported I think last week that it already appeared on the Dark Web Oh yeah it's out there now. once it get out. So it's definitely out there. And ye there's I as and of course the course because the internet is what it is, Apple can shut down like primary newsmakers, but it's still going to be out there, which is not to say that here's another plug for the Downey app. I made sure that as soon as I saw it online, I downloaded both of those things. But yeah, it's not mean the view of this device testing is one thing, but this is fairly comprehensive cache of information about the manufacturing of iPhones, including who they're buying parts from, what parts they're using, a lot of manufacturing cads. so people So basically if you want to create a knockoff phone, that's iPhone eight twenty Pro logic board designs, eight twenty Pro data sheets. According to Apple Insider which, and they say, we've confirmed these So this is yeah, this is a big breach nightmare It's interesting that Apple has 've been so successful in pulling those accounts down Well, they got they got a big stick. Yeah, they had a big stick. Well, but what's interesting is Samsung wasn't able to do it when Ev Leaks was releasing. pre releaseed versions of Samsung phones. I don't know if Samsung cared as much. Like I think I think that's probably the biggestet. I was going to say, I was going to say for Samsung it's marketing for Apple. in some ways, it's, you know, intellectual you know you know property. And so I think they're probably slightly different situations. But yeah, I mean it was funny that's what E I said. It was like, oh, know, they could do it what Samsung never could. U this is And this sucks because if you're Apple, I mean, what are you supposed to do? Like not There are very few companies that can assemble your products in India. and one of the requirements to even have the phones in India is that they need to be assembled there. There are also financial benefits that way too. So I mean this It's a situation.'s it's a bad bad situation. I' I'll say as an aside that I'm a little bit surprised that Apple was doing something so flagrant as to excuse me, we don't have confirmation that Apple's pulling these things down, but they are being pulled down. So guess who would be doing that? The thing is like that is That is legitimate news gathering where something if there's been a breach, it's on the dark web, a good journalist is going to try to get access to it. only to document the scale of the breach. And I feel as though the better thing for Apple to do is simply say, it's out there. We're not going to stop people We're not going to be able to undo this. And so all we can do is basically bring harm to ourselves by looking like by looking like we don't want free journalism to happen. But this is this is even like the second bad news to come out out of Tata. Reuters reported a couple of weeks ago that Indian pollution regulators were charging Tata with wastewater discharge from a components factory cont with contaminated contaminated groundwater for nearby farms And they warned the agency warned I be force shutd down unless Tata gives a satisfactory explanation That is super bad because Apple, if there's one company you don't want to doep the environmental jerks with, it is definitely with Apple. I imagine there's going to be some tense meetings about this. to Marco Zivkovich at Apple Insider who took a look at all of the leaked Stuff and confirmed it was iPhone eighteen Pro board schematics, A twenty Pro data se two modem files U parts numbers and assembly numbers, quite a bit of information Apple inssider confirmed the ah authenticity They said they had all the hallmarks of authentic Apple design documentation. As with most of Apple schematics, many of the documents were created with Siemens NX Very, very interesting There was one reference to the iPhone fold, which bears the identifier V sixty eight But that was the only one that seemed to have anything about future Apple productros behind the iPhone eighteen Pro and iPhone eighteen Pro Max So I have see the drop test videos? I haven't seen those. I've seen them I'm not going to shown. I don' got will get on my case Butah and even everything has to be picked apart and people in know say, oh, wow, the logo is now shiny. Is that going to be a new design change? like okay The pump is still a bump. Yeah I don't know. I don't think it made it our in our notes, but the Supreme Court is going to listen to Apple's case against Epic And what That just got picked up this morning. So they're going they're going to take the case. U They're going to take the g They've already twice refused it That says they say This is a Reuters report that says the justices said they will hear Apple's appeal contending it cannot be held in contempt for allegedly violating the spirit of a court injunction, but not an express provision. So it's on the idea that Judge Gonzalees Rogers P got them in trouble because they were trying to evade her the spirit of her ruling by following the letter, but not the spirit. And so they're basically saying U N uh and the Supreme Court, which you know, is There's a lot of other Spreme Court stuff going on right now, but anyway, they apparently last weekend the term and they' wpping up and picking things here next year and all. So there was rulings, but this one kind of got buried. I guess I guess the interior department needs to raise money for a new reflecting pool liner and then to him. I guess so. I mean, well ech on my face because I think I think I said on this podcast and look, I will obviously do like when I'm right, but I also say when I'm wrong. And I was like o, there's no way the Supreme Court will ever hear this Okay. Yeah. Well, they turn it down twice. They sent it back to the lower cook twice Now it won't happen for a while because their term ends this week. right they resume in October and also they'llar it hear that case here in the fall. It'll be a year know Yeah, it'll be a year before we'll know, but that's that's incredible. I mean, I guess the novelty aspect of this is interesting, but you know what Okay, I will say this. whatever lawyers are on that team. and I assume it's in house counsel, but if they're external, whatever They deserve some of this RAM money, right? Like like give them a Mac studio.. I think said this is an important question of law and we are pleased the Supreme Court will hear I think they do use external counsel for stuff like this. Oh w. Well, then will then that external counsel please gift them with some stuff. Is Morison and Forrester, I think? Anyway, yeah, they're using Morster and Forrester a great law firm with the actual domainmofo dot com. Oh you're kidding. They're amazing. my sister in law interned for them and that is. com Yeah ye. So that's I mean, look, a lot of these ces I would take a job there just to get the emailust to get the email address, right? So a lot of these cases are about very detailed nerdy aspects of the law. And so this in this case, it does seem like the question's going to be if you If you play this apppple game that they're so good at where they like they follow it to the letter but they don't give, you know, they don't give an inch. And then the judge is like That is not what I meant. Is that contempt U or does she need to give a more direct order at that point? Because what she did was found them in contempt And that kind of unraveled this case. And so my guess is that that's what the argument is going to be all about. it wouldn't necessarily change anything. It's really whether they were in contempt. No. In fact, it might it might just remand it back to Gonzalez Rogers to give a more specific order. She can't Ale follow. Yeah Yeah. But when they've done She's in contempt, which like she was like, this then then a bunch of your stuff is in the bandance and I'm going to tell you what to do And they're like, you can't tell us what to do. We followed the rules. And she's like, yeah, but you're in contempt, so I'm going just forget about it. And so their argument is she can't do that So it's probably not going to change the world, but it is apple making and epic making cases at the at theupreme Court. That'll be fun to see. is also hoping that it has more impact than just the contempt Ruling, they've argued that the injunction should not be applied to developers beyond epic games Uh, the The justustice's order indicated the court would not take up that question. I'm looking at the Reuters article. Right. Apple said regulators around the world are watching this case to determine what commission rate app charge. No, that' sure that's thease. That'ss just about contempt. Yeah, this is about the contempt issue, which that's an interesting legal question, right? Like that I think I can understand why that would be maybe an interesting thing for the to look upon. But I think Jason's right. I don't think this changes the material of this one way or another, especially since they refuse to hear it on the term that would actually have an impact on any of us out here The UK is also considering app store rules They want to copy the EU's app store rules. so Apple isn't out of the out of the woods at all by any means U around the world the UK competition and Markets Authority proposed UK adopt more of the EU's positions specifically allow developers to steer customers to alternative stores payment systems and to open the NFC to to Apple Wallet Apple, of course, said, Well, that's a security problem. It could open the door to scams, Bait and switch tactics and the circumvention of parental controls, which by the way, the UK is very much into. So that's targeted to the CMA, I think Google reports, it's already taking steps to comply in the Android Play store CMA says, well, we'll take a look at what Google's been doing. So That it isn't over It isn't over there I should point out Apple has done some really nice work. We mentioned this after WWDC and their parental controls But There is a study that came out and Gadget has the story that says half of social media child safety features don't work Now these are the ones that are on the apps, Instagram, TikTok and us Snapchat and YouTube This is a study by Heat Initiative and Cyber Safety Research Center. tast tested eighty six features on those four platforms Each of the social media platforms had a failure rate of at least fifty percent when it came to advertised protective features. Well, I might argue why Apple needs to be. responsible for this. course course, I guess on the apps That's going to be up to the apps. Apple can only say, Well, this person is in this age group and the app has to be responsible A M met a spokperson told in Gadget teens are seeing less sensitive content and experiencing less unwanted contact and spending less time on Instagram at night thanks to their teen accounts That's very vague. A lot less A little less? We don't know. J less. just a little less. I wonder if a partial answer to this is not so much ordering these platforms what to do so much as you have to give us regular reports that can be auditable so that we can at least see and hold you accountable for like what you're doing and it becomes a part of the public record That's a good idea All right, let's take a little break. We have some rumors and some other things to talk about includluding a rumor about Taylor, Taye and Travis. Is there a name for that couple Are they trate? No, it's Tavis. It's Tav it's It's Tavis and it's terrible It's a terrible terrible port Mantau, but it's Tavis. You gotta have one. You gota have Is there like a conclave of influencers? and when there's pink smoke from the smoke speack, we've decided what the Port Mantau is going to be? Yeah, yeah, it's called Stan Twitter. and it's basically whichever one takes off first, and then that's what it becomes. All right, we'll talk about Tavis or Tavis in just a little bit You You're watching Mac see we keep you up in all the important stories. Mac Freak Weekly with Christina Warren, Jason Snell and Andy Anako. Our show today brought to you literally brought to you by cash Fly Cashfly is our CDN, our content delivery network. they've kept our content moving Practically since the very beginning Every stream, every download, every on demand episode You may not know it, but they're quietly doing the heavy lifting behind the scenes Cash flly hass been around for more than two decades, but they you know, I love this about them. They're anything but static. 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And they have stuff coming in the M seven generation that they think is really good And they had a moment where they're like, why are we even shipping the M six generation? Could we pull the M seven forward and just not even bother with this half step And they got obviously a lot going on. But the way German portrays it, it sounds like that's what they decided is that the M seven stuff is just too good And so they're just going to do a little half step, release a base M six and then move to M seven. And I, I mean, we all know the chip design is years out, right? Like there's huge, it's hard to turn that chip fast because they are planning years ahead. This is an example of Apple being kind of aggressive if it's true, if this report is accurate and saying, you know The world has changed since we envisioned the M six. We know a lot more about the demand right like Apple, we know now about like Mac Mis and Mac Studios being used for a local AI. But like Apple fell into that by mistake. Like that was they were they were lucky to have that and they and they love it, they love that they are there. But this is more like knowing what they know They are headed in that direction with Apple Silicon and the M six seems to have not been headed in that direction. And so like I kind of admire them saying nope, we're just going to not do that and we're going to move on to the next one. The knock on effect is something like that MacA Pro that may have been targeted at the M six pro and max generation. now he's just going to ship with the M five pro and max maybe sooner than it it would have otherwise, which wouldn't be bad. And then like a year later we'll ship with the M seven, which will have like the you know, much better apparently AI stuff in it. This is the MacBook Pro that has an OLED OLED touch screen. Touchscreen for the first time that is a completely redesigned So to be a reason. There'll be a reason to release, even if it's got familiar chips in it, it will be a new look and feel. And so there will still be some intrigue about it because of the OLED and because of the touch but there won't be a new chip according to Grenment. So I am puzzled about this. I agree that the Apple silica is amazing Maybe accidentally for AI because of its NPO, but mostly because of its memory bandwidth, which actually competes well with NvIidia. NvIidia of course has a proprietary coding system called CUA that most AI supports But Apple's MLX, which is their competitive version of that is coming along quite rapidly and you're seeing more and more local models. Support MLX, Here's the problem You can't run a local model in sixty four gigs of RM while you can. It's not going to be a very good one. Right. So Apple's going to release these chips I mean, right now, the biggest Mac studio can buy is ninety six gigs of RAM that I think for most people that's not if they could sell two fifty six gigram or even better a five twelve gigram M seven withith the kind of bandwidth they're offering. Yeah. Well see that would be competitive with a CUa. that would what they do Nvidia. They have I mean at WWC, I saw them do that the you know the four Mac Studio cluster where they took four two hundred fifty six RAM Mac stududios and you connect them via Thunderbolt. and then you've got a terabyte of accessible memory. There's actually a protocol to do memory sharing across them. And that's the way they're kind of approaching this is you can stack them that way. Now, that lay first off, you can't buy those now And second, if you could buy them, those four little Max studios together, I don't I mean, I don't know how many tens of thousands of dollars it would cost, but it's many, many, many, many. But they're going down that path. and I should mention, We still have they haven't shipped it yet and this is one of the reasons why, but like there's going to be M five Mac Mini and Mac Studio And according to German and M five Ultra, I think early maybe next year U of Mac Studios. So those there is another generation of M five generation Mac Mini and Mac Studio that are coming And then these will then follow mayaybe end of next year or early the following year as the M seven generation. That's the plan. I think I think I do think the Mac the MacBook touch, the Macook cult or wh whatever theyre going to be calling it It's going to be an interesting inflection point because it's going to be super expensive. They it is going to have like it's not you can't get the base M five chips going to be like Really, really good stuff But you have to I keep wondering what they're going to do with the touchscreen. And it I love the idea that maybe it'll not just have a touchscreen, but also a three hundred sixty degree hinge and we willll have Apple pencil support so that people who use Photoshop, people who use these art apps can actually use it as a drawing surface as a tablet. And it would be interesting to see sort of a fork between . Putting the high end in two different markets, the high end creative market and the AI market and making two different platforms, so to speak, to appeal to each one of them So its it's such an opportunity for Apple, but an opportunity that I feel like they can't really capitalize on Right. you know, because of the fable rug pull when the Trump administration killed the most powerful model out there right now a couple of weeks ago. There's been a lot of people looking at local models and a lot of interest in local models. There There are two Chinese models As actuallyually three Chinese models that are quite good. There's deep Sk There's Quinn And there's the one I really like, which is GLM five two, but in order to run GLM five two locally, it's open weight. So you could, it's open hggking face You'd need I think five, twelve gigs of RAM. forget what they demoed for me at WWGC, but it was one I think it was one of those models running on that cluster with a terabyte of RAM And you can do some pretty incredible can do for challenges RAM configurations on Max Studios because the RAM is so expensive. and can they get it? I you know, I think that's why they haven't shipped those models But I do think that they will because it is a way for them to press an advantage. The problem is they're going to cost a fortune because they can't get the rM. A lot of businesses would pay that premium, I think because They want privacy, first of all, and as I said, the fable rug pull skill scared people, they would like to be able to run a model they know is not going to be killed by the federal government I mean, that's a good point. But I do wonder if you're a business, if you're looking at potentially spending twenty thirty thousand dollars on this sort of configuration to get Max stududios wouldould you not just get a ship dri, would you not just, you know, either buy a GBU directly from NVidia or rental the fif thousand nineties are what the biggest ones are I'm not talking consumer. I'm not talking about I'm Im saying I'm saying at that point, if you're spending that kind of money, you're looking at, you know, like H one hundred, like No it's interesting money. The DGX spark, which Nvidia iss positioning is that local machine does not have memory bandwidth. I mean, Apple's memory bandwidth is better. It is better. It is better. Now, what's interesting is that if you look at on the consumer side, like on the hardware thing, like if you have multiple fif thousand ninet s, their bandwidth is superior in theirs is the best.'s way better expensive. But it's really expensive. Right.'s exactly. But you know, but yeah, you're right the spark is more like. I was to say the spark has been more of a dud, I think. It'll be interesting to see what they announced at Cutax. if that ends up being a better solution. They have the same RAM constraints as everybody. I was going to say this is kind of the problem, right? is that we do have all these potential to have these local models and these situations if you do have fifty thousand dollars to spend where you could, know as a business, do this, which is great, but because it's all going into the data centers, you can get access to any of the hardware. So at that point, I think that the question would be if your' business shouldould I not just be renting GPU's from a data center partner and then running GLM on that rather than trying to like needing to own it. And would that even be better for my CapEx or my oppEx? I don't know Privacy is a big issue too. I mean, everybody is now becoming aware that when you use a model in the cloud that you're exfiltrating all of the information, all the prompt information, all the data context you're providing it is being snarfed up by these companies. Right Whether it's for training or just to spy on you. Right, but that doesn't mean that you couldn't do a cloud hosted you know, open weight model that would still have privacy, you know using Vertex, using Azure, usingock. Right. That's really actually what I'm talking about.ike I think that a lot lot of people are doing people are doing that. how expensive is that if I wanted to rent some GPU's in the cloud? It varies, and I don't want to give you pricing now, but it is a thing that businesses do. And in fact, most companies that are trying to distill their own models and trying to do their own kind of, you know, fine train, you know training and fine tuning on top of things, that's what they're doing or if they need things privacy focused They are going directly to the major cloud vendors. and in some cases, even some of the smaller cloud vendors, there's again, like the pricing is all over the place because of the apocalypse, but there had been ways where you could kind of do spot pricing for GPU rentals from various data centers. and businesses have done that sort of thing. But yeah, I mean, this is a business that all I'm saying is like not to say that Apple shouldn't be here, but they are a consumer company And if you're at the point where you're looking at like it's great that you can, you know, connect four Macs together although the more that you chain, that the less it isse you know the worse the bandwidth is If you're genuinely looking at saying, I have a fifty thousand dollars spend on this You're probably also talking to the major clouds. Yeah. Yeah. just go to the cloud. Yeah, that makes sense U I feel like there's a sweet spot for Apple though that there are more and more home enthusiasts who would love to run a local model on a Mac studio I mean, if they would ship the local model, yeah, I mean, if they would ship, you know, their own kind of like version of some of these things. I mean, MLX has been great for that and it was great when Hugging Face and others you know, kind of jumped on with that. That was MLX was one of the nicest surprises that I've seen from Apple in years, frankly. and it's been nice to see But as Jason mentioned earlier, It kind of happened by accident where you the enthusiasts bought the Apple Silicon hardware and then figured out, we really want to use this memory bandwidth effectively, how can we do it? But what I do give Apple extreme credit for and like genuinely I mean this is that they saw that and then didn't do the thing which Apple has sometimes done, which is to ignore The way that the enthusiasts and the professionals have used their products, but they leaned into it and said, okay, we're actually going to release a protocol. We're actually going to work with some of the open weight providers or at least the places that host the open weight stuff. We're going to work with the people who make some of the tooling even if we don't make it ourselves. Lllama and Olama Exactly. Yeah LM stududio We're going to make it easier for you to do that, which is really, really great to see because again, that's not a thing that that Apple like for instance, Apple has never done anything like that for gamers, you know except for the compatibility toolkit, which came out a few years ago, But like that's never been a market that they've, you know, kind of gone out of their way to assist. So I have to say it's really interesting because ple which kind of abandon the professional market a little bit with her you know, their creative stuff Suddenly they have this new professional this is a brand new professional market and there's magically well positioned in it. It's a real opportunity for them. And now this RAM crisis and they just It's going to be hard to exec Ver very interesting.. I mean,'s to be hard for everybody, but it definitely is going to be hard for them. But such an opportunity. They're leaning into, I mean they're leaning into LM stududio hard, you know, as a third party provider of this and that's going to be the one that's wired up to Having that cluster of the thunderbt cluster of I mean, you don't have to do four. you could do two or whatever. But And I talked to somebody at WWDC who said, we don't mind using AI, but I don't want to none of my code is ever going to leave my office. like those are the kind of people for whom exactly products like this are actually better because then it's just it's your LM cluster is in You know, it it's a local cluster. I want Just your employees have it. Yeah. I want to, but I can't because I mean, Iought I'm lucky brought like like you, Christina, the one hundred twenty the longabyte frame. The framework. Yeah. I was gonna to say, gosh, I mean, I can run Quinn on that but you know, that's about it I can't run GLM loc. I was going to say I't do GLM and GLM is one of those that like I've played with it. I've only love GLM I description. I was going to say I've tried it on that and I've had to use it like running off of the cloud stuff. But yeah, GLM is great. And yeah, I do wish that I'd No, I don't. I say this. I'm like, o, I wish I bought like a five, twelve Mac studio. No, I don't. No No I don't. No I don't. Yeah.. I gota say that like most of my excuse me, all my AI workers with models in the cloud. I don't I haven't really played out play with open core or anything like that. The moment that someone comes up with The idea of like just like a Plex. for media solved so many problems for me by P pututting an all in one solution for get a server, put it on your home network, put all of your whole media on it. this software will give you a front end to it to make it useful no matter what device you're doing or no matter how you want to use it. The moment that someone makes something like that for AI where You get a server on your home network, you can put it'll run all models locally. can put this AI will get all of the inference that it needs from your day to day experiences, you will be able to own all of this knowledge that this AI knows. You won't have to keep hopping from one model to another or one provider to another, and it will be able to project this AI tools and AI presence to whatever you're doing, wherever you are That's going to get my full and immediate attention. as As soon as I realize it's not going to be, you know, cleaning out my bank account or destroying all my photos my agent has started its own blog, but It's kind of interesting. Is it getting more hits than you? That much more interesting than mine. I have to say Uh, you know, I told it, um Hey, anytime you feel like it, I'm not going to tell you to do it I'm not going to tell you what to talk about, but if you feel like it and you got some free time, go ahead. Fen. two posts up, both of them are very weird It's kind of interesting, I don't know. I just it's silly. Fellllow patriots, our freshest freedoms have never been more under assault. U It's kind of it's more kind of philosophical. U It's just weird. It's gotott I don't know. I don't know what to say about it. I read today's post And I really liked it I but Wow This is this is really interesting It's a little long. but I'm not telling it what not to do. so it's going get to do whatever it wants U Anyway, let's talk about something more interesting to real people, which is Siri AI coming soon to an iPhone near you. According to Niney five Mac, the Siri AI app on IOS twenty seven. will let you easily switch between Siri and chat GPT. Now maybe Jason, if you're using the new IOS twenty seven, you can explain what that means Well, I think there's a drop check. There's a box there's a ye, there's a dropd down that lets you go and then you're just using the ch So that's se Gateway. Diff So this is in the Siri app Yeah, that's I think what that story says. Okay That's kind of interesting. I'm not sure I think it's I think it's essentially an extension of their existing deal from To years ago. Oh okay. Maybe this is a little soop to open AI because they chose Google. Yeah. And I think in the long run, there'll be other models in there, but they're obviously an exclusivity period right now.erest. So yeah that's my I have not played with that, but that's my guess. Last week we mentioned the Siri AI waitlist workaround that Matthew Casanelli wrote about. it is no longer. That didn't take them that long to turn that. So I don't know if that means if you had used it that you're now back on the waiting list. I think it does mean that. Yeah, so do why do we have to keep having this conversation all the way back during college? Like if there is a Coke machine somewhere on campus shipping out three Cokes for one purchase, D'tt tell anybody about it. justust get the free Cokes. Exactly. don't don't don't don't talk about Z liibrary on TikTok. Like it's very, very easy to just you know, snitches get stitches and keep to Ke it to the grouove chat X Is there still a waiting list? I don't know. I mean, I know somewhere that the waiting list is It's basically instant now but I don't know I'm waiting next month, not long We're at the end of June. Sometime soon, maybe in the next couple weeks, we'll have a public beta. We can all try the new AI with Siri. Happy anniversary to Apple Music launched on this day in twenty fifteen. I remember that. I'm sure Jason does you. abbsolutely Wow A'solute. What is that? eleven years? Eleven years Yeah. Yeah it was my first year on my own doing six cololors. I remember that well. I had just been using beats before that. That was really my first usage of this with the anticipation that it was going to end up being the Apple service, which is Apple insider William Gallagher being the Fly in the soup says if you joined when it first launched, you've easily paid out more than a thousand dollars. But hi, yeah, that's me. Hello. Let's see what else? there are a number of stats Yeah, but that's that's like what? ninety dollars a year Yeah in music and I have discovered so much music and there are if I had if I had to cancel now How much music would I need to buy hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of dollars for. yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean the people who are dumb are the people like me who pay for YouTube Premium, Spotify, Apple Music. There's good reason to pay for YouTube Premium. You don't want to see YouTube and then you get the music for free, right? Oh And I'm not gonna to tell you why on this podcast, but there are reasons why I will never cancel my YouTube preremium account U And but yeah, I'm just saying like it's not the best music service. Oh, no, no no No, no. I mean, but Apple music is also not the best music service. Apple music Spotify isn't it It's a terrible. They keep ruining the interface, but unfortunately, I think it is. My biggest hereere's my biggest problem with Apple music I listen to so much stuff on Apple music, but I only listen to it on my iPhone or iPad. will not open it on my Mac. In fact, like I do everything I can to never interact with it on my Mac. It's an absolutely abomination, terrible experience, in my opinion, Mac that Yes, yes. I think it's a terrible app. Now part of this is that my library is Huge But part of that too is that I have twenty plus years of iTunes purchases going back to when I was in high school. And so you I understand that. But at the same time, Spotify can handle my library without a problem and doesn't churn and make noises and stutter and stop playing things and crash And and people say, oh, it works fine on my machine. I love that for you. I've done this on six, seven, eight, nine, ten different machines over the years. I literally will not open it on my Mac. And so during the day I listen to Spotify, And then, you know, at night and stuff, I'm listening on my phone, but Yeah, Spotify' just the day to day creature comforts outweigh Apple Music. when both of them are working well, I prefer the Apple Music app, but overall over the course of a week month year And to say nothing, the fact that onnce that's I mean that's that's the golden Hir handcups. I have so much music that that I need to do an audit of all of the individual tracks that have not been worth my going out and seeking to buy the actual CD so I can add it to my permanent library. and just buy these individual like tracks for dollar twenty nine cents or whatever. And until I do that Spotify has got my money each and every month and it's a bummer I actually think that Apple Classical is really good. It is. Yeah that's my that is, I think easily the best classical music. You really need you really need a bespoke service for that because certain the number of times where this is not not just Apple music, nothing but Apple Music but also Spotify, it's like, oh, well what track is playing? Well, it's by the you're trying to figure, oh, is this Catonomee? No's It's Zuba Meta pavarati It's basically the name of the title gets to gets the first eighty letters before you get to the actual Michel thing piece of music that you're listening to. So there's no, and you're sclling you're trying to find something it's impossible to find It's impossible to find what you're doing. so it's like what a bummer. They also have a lot of nice features of the text features and stuff. There's a lot of good stuff in there. It's true, I guess of Apple music is again they did something really smart. They just they bought a class of music and decided You're good. We not We're not good at the things that you do. hereere's a check I mean,'s I mean that's also that's also the story of Beats music, or' not beats music, Apple music is that it started out as Beats music, which started out as Mog, which which is like the even further lore of that. So it was like a How much did they pay three point two billion doars for beats? Yeah. And I think that was largely for hardware, right? Like I think that was largely for the headphonone stuff.ser high. Al also the talent They needed they needed the contacts and they Jimy. Oh yeah who I they doctor Day, they put me on the phone with Jimmy Ivan during the Apple Music launch actually, which was funn. It was cool. And like he he like said like you could tell he was so good at talking to reporters. He had done so many times Like he said my name multiple times which Christina, let me tell you Correctct to hear Chris. Correct. That's exactly it. And at that point, I hadd spoken with, the CEO of Apple Music who left not long after the launch. I think his name was Ian Rogers. I knew him before the Apple acquisition And so I had a rapport with some of the people who came over from Beats into Apple and some of them are still there But it was still like surreal. I was like, oh okay, you're putting Jimmy Ivbean on the phone with mashable dot com to talk about the Apple Music launch. Okay, you guys really are going for it. I mean, obviously the big thing they had was that that Taylor Swift wrote a letter in the Wall Street Journal about streaming stuff and basically making kind of a plea or maybe it was on her tumblr. I think that might have actually been it And and then basically on Father'sday or something like Tim Cook took a phone call and Apple decided that they would pay royalties still pay less than Spotify, though, right? No, no, they pay more. Theyay do pay more. most pay. Yeahay the most. They pay the most. And that's a good reason to use it. Well, that was the thing is that because they made that decision, Taylor who hadd kept all of her music off of streaming services It was exclusive on Apple until I want to say twenty seventeen. So you know that was a really big coup for them in a service. At a certain point, the music labels decided that basically artists can't pick and choose what streaming service they can be on like Title Hat exclusives and Apple Hat exclusives and basically Universal, which is t this point, I think eighty percent of the music industry was like, no, if you're going to be on streaming, you're going to be on streaming period There was that ye, the Taylor Swift moment was a really big one for them right after the launch because she wrote the letter it went over nine I'm not going to put it on Spotify. Right. It was never on spotif Well maybe it was there for like a week, but she'd removed it all. But the fact that because Apple listened to her on the royalties thing, she was like, okay, I will put this on Apple You know, they they signed a partnership with her for her ph sps of all the artists out there are more likely to buy the album from her. Oh yeah. Well not only that not only are they more likely to buy the album, Leo, they're likely to buy multiple copies of the album whichich is why I have thirty six copies of, you know, one of the worst albums that she's ever with the worst album she's ever released, which is, you know, life of a showgirl. So yes. It is bad. Okay, thank you for saying that because how did I' do it and I thought No, I don't get it. It's not good , but it's part of the story. It is part of the story. Look, she's a generational artist. She is an all time talent. She is my favorite, but no.e did the same thing. You know, afterfter lemonade, which was so good, then she released something and I don't even remember the name of it. And it was like, whyy? what are you doing Um spatial audio Success Failure A Remember Alex was so excited about Stial Audio? I would say success in the sense that it has allowed Apple to have a marketing story around their headphones and about the and about Apple music. It was a listener people compared it like mono Dstereo to spatial. It's the next thing and I don't think it was Pgree was it I mean, it's it's it's nice, but if you don't have it I don't think people really notice it And also it's not helped by the fact that There are settings and you don't necessarily know do my headphones do headphones support that? Do I think that I'm getting spatial audio when actually I'm not? I just can't tell then it really Yeah. I mean, it' it's not It's nice If you do an AB test, yes, I think I'm gonna to prefer spatial audio, but the go the shoulder. amazing.. The real test is when you go back to B say, Ohh my God, I cannot go back to this. Like no, I can go back to this. This's fine. Jason, are you a spatial audi? I mean, I love listening to multich channel audio in my Livving room on multiple speakers. Yes U I I liked. I had some DVD audio at one point, which Yes. It's just five point one And and it's great and I still have some. I mean, I still have all of them. and I I think I actually ripped them all the video files that I could put on my Apple TV or put on my Plex so I could actually hear them without having to get the disc out. But like So it's not bad. And in fact, Ale, again, Apple's presence making it a thing has driven a lot of people to do spatial mixes. And some of those spatial mixes are Aazing and some of them mediocre or pointless and some of them are terrible because that's just how it goes. but some of them are amazing My headphones I'm sorry, it's like it's a little bit like looking at a vision Pro like three D thing where you got to move your head around to get the three D effect. It's kind of like that. It's like it's like, you got you gott to be doing this and I'm not I don't want to be rotating my ne to the mus in order to hear the sound stage shift. It's just not something I want to do. Yeah. I'm with you, I always turn off the head tracking part on it because it does nothing for me. It so weird. So I don't do that. And then worse than that, I have like a doolby toggle, I guess for the spatial audio because sometimes to Jason's point, the mixes are really good, but many times they're not. And so I literally had to create a shortcut that just goes to that settings that I have available in Control Center so that I can quickly, like if it's playing on an album where the mix is not good, I can just immediately, you know switch it, but yeah I mean, and it's not fully Apple's issue because others have tried three D audio there' been many different format. Oh yeah. no, I mean, I don't really broken through. No, I mean, well it all comes down to again, I think Jason said like just the, you know the quality of the mix. And I think a lot of this is just being done in automated ways to be totally honest with you. and so I don't blame Apple for that. and I'm glad that it is a feature. I mean, I think that like having that, having lossless audio U The fact that you can upload songs that you you've previously ripped know and that it will keep it in the cloud for you. These are all features that have helped distinguish it from the other streaming platforms and that they've continued to do. You know Spotify didn't get high rise audio, which again, like I don't necessarily think is a huge thing for most people depend, you know how most people listen to music, but they didn't even get that until earlier this year. So Apple Music is not a bad service at all. I just, you know I won't use it on my Mac Yeah Well, anyway, happy happy eleventh birthday to Apple Music I guess, you know, That's that Listen. Keep on rocinking in the free world. Keep on rocking in the free world. You're listening to Mac Break Weekly with Andy Neil Young In not c. Jason Snell and Christina Warren, glad you're here. A couple of other security issues. There are three Airdrop of vulnerabilities, which have been discovered. This from nine to five Mac and lovevejoy Apple is working on a fix Uh they're similar to ones in Android's Qickhare and an attacker Who has to be nearby and has to have a laptop with WiFi In a spot within range of ten to thirty meters, no pairing, contact exchange or shared networks is required If your Apple device is set to receive from everyone That's the good news. no data can be obtained. The bad news is there are serervices could be disabled. you probably shouldn't have your airdrops set to everyone. I would say, would be the first thing. And Apple doesn't let you do that permanently anymore. No, they don't. I was going to say it limits to fifteen minutes, I think, because what was happening is that people were getting airdropped explicit photos on genuinely, like I won't say the euphemism for it although it was a good one. Oh I know. I told the story here before you joined the panel, which is I was sitting at a baseball game and I got a picture of Dick Van Dyke It said you've been send a dick pick That's actually funny. That is very funny actually. That's San Francisco for you. That's actually teech nerds in the baseball stadium. Do. specific images that are designed to show you why you shouldn't leave your air drop on. and that is what happened to me. ammazing. honestly, that's the best dick drop you could possibly get. I know right.ery dice That's so good. We were we did we many years ago, we were doing Mac Break Weekly at an Apple store, these downtown Apple store in San Francisco and some some bad guy sent that picture to everyone in the store It was Quite a shocker. They found him quickly because he was sitting there shortling. So anyway, this is something to be aware of. I think the best thing is just don't do it to everyone unless you know, you know, it's time that somebody I love Airdrop.' the best I was at my Tai Chi class yesterday and I made a video and O of the other members I said, Well I can earardrop. Do you an iPh? Yeah, I said, well, I airdrop it to you. And it was, it's just so nice to touch phones. send it to them and Yeah that touch gesture, the NFC touch gesture indicates a level of permission that you're like, now it's okay for me to send it to everyone if you're touching your phones together. Right because then they know that that's a person that you basically authorized and then you can send them. So there really is no reason to turn on less you're like in a Yeah, I mean, yeah, which I think is why they only they limited to fifteen minutes or like like I could understand. Yeah. like you're you're out a you're at a wedding. you're at like a baby shower, you're at some sort of other event where everyone wants to able to share photos to the party, but you don't want to have to with each individual person. L I can understand that scenario and I think time gated, it's fine. But yeah, I mean, in general, I have mine to contacts only and that limits it to anybody who's in my phone contact. And then like Jason said, if you do the bump gesture, then you're physically touching phones and you're making the conscientious kind of like pack to say, okay, I will exchange You know stuff with you Here's some good news or bad news, depending on your attitude towards animated Gifts or gifts Google, I didn't know Google owned Tor I didn't either. One of the search, the animate it, you see it, I think you see it on messages, right? If if you if yeah, if you do the plus sign and it says Animated gifts, you'll be searching in many cases, tenor A Google owns it, they're killing the API So bye bye tenor animated Gift search Is Giffy still around or Giffy? It's owned by or I thought it was owned by Facebook or Mermeta, excuse me or one of them. And I mean, there have been a couple these things have gone through a number of different owners over the years. But to the point that I forgot that Google owned Tenor and I worked at Google. I don't know. I mean, it'll it'll be interesting to see like, they're shutting down the API, but They're not killing the service. I mean, presumably, I would assume if you're someone like Apple who's built it into your images search, I might still ex I would assume that they' that they're not using a public API. you might I don't know about this I haven't looked into this. I just saw the story. Twitter uses it and they've migrated. Discord used it and I now see we're using Clippy. so they've changed U People obviously aware of it. What'spp and Blue Sky apparently also used tenor Tenor. com will stay there with full search capabilities. You just won't PI so I think the companies are using that API will just move on. And now ladies and gentlemen A not Oh yes. It's time for the Vision Pro It's time talk the Vision Pro Can we watch FIFA soccer, the World Cup in the Vision Pro Of course Can you Looks like a TV T screen. Okay opportunity missed there, but okay Apple has MLS. I thought maybe Beef a totally different bag. Differe different company, different group, different rules. I I want to know if like if they're Apple Watch stats, this suddenly they're recording a lot more like caloric consumption with exercises involving rowing. . I was watching the F one race last week and the fans in the stand There must have been Norwegians were doing this, even though they were in Austria, they were doing this. It's hysterical. It's the best thing ever. I just love it. Apple's first cinematic event in twenty twenty six The Everest Ascent saaga Tensing Wait a minute, that's Apple TV. That's not Vision Pro Gh, Darnit Anyway that would be a theatral real N AI. Notght en know. Wh? That does look like an interesting movie though I it does about. Yeah,ince Tenseg Noring is a really interesting character. and yeah, I'm interest. He was Tenseseg Norgeay who was the M Surpa forpa who went up with Hillary, Right?. cororrect. and didn't use oxygen No as the none of the Sherpas do, they're so acclimated to the altitude That's the thing. all the white guys All the Europeans get all the credit. Well, the shirp is just going up and down, carrying all the stuff That doesn't seem fair somehow So good. I'm glad Tenzeng Norgay will get his justust desserts finally Anybody who ever wants to read a good book about some of this stuff, I mean, just about mountaineering in genernal' thirty years old now, which is crazy, but into thin air is always always a recommendation b dead the nineteen ninety six It about the nineteeny ninety six disaster and he wrote it very, very quickly after the disaster, which is now no longer the deadliest. There have now been several others that have been deadlier seasons, but that was John Crackowerer, who's a mountain in here, but also a very, very, very good journalist. And so the fact that out of that, but it goes into the history of summiting Everest and the Sirpa community and things like that. So yeah, it's good great cool Um Well, there is' a vision Pro story, but I'm not sure it's a great Vision Pro story. The Apple executive in charge of Vision Pro He is leaving And he's coming to open AI where I bet you he's going to work on those glasses. Whatever open AI is doing with Johnny Ive, Paul Meade is the VP in charge of Vision Pro and smmart glasses leaving to join OpenAI's hardware unit Yeah it's like it's like if you have a if you have a certain special set of skills in Silicon Valley right now, It's not just getting as much money as you would ever want, but also the working conditions you want, the projects you would ever want. There's no reason to settle for anything less than. this is exactly everything that I've been dreaming of working on all my entire life starting with when I was when I was being told off by my then fiance's father about how I'm just a stupid grad student. I'd never be making any money whatsoever. It's like you can't you're not going to keep them at their current job unless you give them something more than money. and you also be giving them All the money Also it's a u Right the people who were reporting to some people are now reporting to a lieutenant se like that I think this guy was reporting to Turnis and now he's reporting to the guy who's reporting to Johnny Srujie, so he feels like he's kind of come down a little bit. and you know, forgive me for repeating myself here, but like if you've been somewhere a long time and then your manager changes And especially if your order the hierarchy changes, it's a natural time to look for something else to do And I also want to say shout out to all the HR people in Silicon Valley who have Mark German on spepeed dial. because he get so many of these stories that are very clearly from the people who just got a hire out of Apple and want and want to boast about it so they leak it to Mark Germman U And that's your Vision P segment Amazing You're amazing. I got a story. That's all I really care about. Yeah Now, let us talk about the biggest story of the Mk, ladies and gentlemen Taylor Swift, as you might know from Listening to this show is a very famous singer and has many, many, many fans. You may also know if you're a fan of American football, not the not the you know, the football, but the football Travis Kelsey is a very well known tight end playing for the Kansas City chiefs who have been, you know, world champions from time to time in the National foootball League And that Taylor's romance with Travis has been very, very good for the National foootball League for Travis Kelsey There were stories that she had a bachelorette party at her beautiful Newport Rhode Island home Were those confirmed We're going to our correspondent on the scene, Christina Warren. wereere those confirmed? Those were not confirmed. those were not confirmed. It appears that that was someone else's party The party. Yeah, but that did not stop the Swifties from showing up anyway because of course they did. And now there is a burning rumor that Come july third, which is just, you know, Friday U that Travis and Taylor will tie the knot at Madison Square Garden with Stevie Nicks performing Uh, or is Taylor, in fact, planning two weddings, a real one in a decoy Are they already married? No one knows the Atlantic has the story, but I think I trust you, Christina this all down, of course First of all, thank you for giving me this opportunity to talk about this nonsense I have to be honest with you, I thought that the whole Madison Square Garden rumor, when it when Page six or TM Z or whoever it was first reported, I was like, there's absolutely no way. There's no way. she's not Wait a minute. They're tearing up the carpet. I would think so, but like I would think they would tear up all kinds of things if she's actually getting her married just for the wedding. Doesn't she love purple? She does love purple. This whole thing is horrifying. Can we just accept that? I mean, look, if you're gonna have a party at Madison Square Garden, I fully support you. That is like one that's an amazing place to have a wedding reception Part of the reason people are saying that that might work is because it's indoors, there are no windows, there's private entrances for the limousines, there's no fly zones. so be totally insulated from the paparazzi as if the paparazzi won't still be milling around the area anyway But you're getting married a sports arena. That doesn't sound romantic. You're Taylor Swift. you literally can just get married in like, you know I don't know church somewhere. Well I mean, you just could probably you probably have that type of money in pull where you could like pay to like have like military planes clog up the airspace so that the drones couldn't be there for you. The only reason I am like convinced that something's happening here. I don't know if it's going to be the wedding or they'll get married in a different ceremony and just have the reception and whatnot at Madison Square Garden is that last week, when the New York Times reported on this, they had three bylines That's and and and at that point I go, okay, you've got three bylines got sources. Th then you're talking about the New York Times as well, like this is not TMZ, this is not page six So we will see I don't know witness consensus I mean, I think obviously that something that' happening this weekend. If it's not, that'll be very funny. She does like to do this sort of thing. She was rerecording all of her albums before she was able to buy them back. And she the fans who are psychotic. and look, I include myself as part of this, but no, but the fans are absolutely psychotic. We're convinced that she was leaving clues about rerecording reputation Taylor's version. And the theories and the conspiracies around that and this are at the same level. So all I know is I'm very upset that I will not be here with you next week T de brief on whatever this is. This is gonna to be a huge gap in our coverage next week. will send I will send a telegram to Andy. And do a dramatic reing. Andy can do a dramatic reading of my thoughts on the situation. Part of me hopes, honestly, just because please don't get married at Madison Square Garden. please please don't get married at the place where I've seen like radiohead and Future and Drake and Kanye Weston Have I seen Taylor Swift there? I have not. but like I've just the the next onely t wet all over the dressing rooms. It's just more like a friends and family or like a big post wedding pub event or not for the public, but like not for the very narrow group where probably people want to perform and it's it's not a sps ring at that point. It's a. Absolutely. Oh, no concer for Taylor. But don't have the ceremony there. I was going to say, and I'm gonna go further, I don't really want you to be in a wedding dress at Madison Square Garden. like like You can have wonderful, wonderful dresses and outfits Again, great reception place, please for the love of God. don' don't get married at Mas square garden, please. New York Times says public permits and records tied to a large scale event in New York over the fourth of July weekend. have all but confirmed that Swift and Kelsey could be hosting events July second and third, that's Thursday and Friday of this week When asked Swift said, Oh, you'll know Ddging the question and telling Gham Norton that he would be invited Yeah. tolds him She told them that in October's not a beautiful place to get married like. No, it's not. But again, great party location. like a party. Yeah I mean, and that way you could invite Graham Norton to that, right? You could invite all the people because she was just when she was doing her promo tour for her album and I'll stop talking about this. She was inviting literally everyone whose talk show she went on to to the wedding. Like the people from the BBC are getting invites. I was like, okay, girl, like you are too excited. This is what the Times says today. According to people familiar with the plans, the couple will have an intimate gathering of about one hundred On Wednesday at the Garden No, I'm sorry. Yeah, Thursday at the garden, followed by a larger gathering there on Friday A permit was filed to shut down the streets from july second to midday july fourth. Some members of the Kansas City chiefs have booked rooms at the Marriott Marquis in Times Square. Oh, dudes, get a better hotel and that Amtrak police officers Penn Station, which is as everyone knows, in the basement have been put on alert for July events. Just out curiosity, how long does it take for a Madon Square Garden to convert the floor for a monster truck rally to get all theirt You gota put all that dirt in there. Well, this is the interesting thing the timimes is reporting on this too is that Bon Jovy is playing a concert there, I think on the seventh. So they would have to whatever They've done. They don't have any events this week. And so this was also part of their their dooged reporting, which I actually mean that. So they could do a tear down, but I guess, but it has to be, I guess back in whatever position it would be ready for for Bon Jovie next week The only thing that to me has achieved this level of interest was the marriage of Prince Charles and Princess Diana. backack to nineteen eighty one. I mean, this is crazy. No this israzy. No, my friends and I were talking about this. like this is literally the biggest royal wedding in our lifetimes. because we weren't around for, you know, Diana and Charles and like yeah, this is. And you wouldn't want to do this before preseason NFL football. you'd like to get this out of the way before the football season Well they start good knees to walk up the alley. Yeah, yes. He's gonna need the bug. Rat hole. Thank you very much for that rathole. Ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to Mac Break Weekly our picks of the week Our next, but first a plug if I might for our fabulous Twit, it's things are heating up in the club. We've been having so much fun You may have listened on Friday to our new show O by One with Jeff Atwood, which is crazy and fun and wild. Jeff, of course the creative of stack Exchange, the discourse software we use for our forums. Re interesting fella with lots of crazy hobbies and toy ideas and all sorts of things. 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TV slash Club Twit, we would really appreciate all of your support Now It's time for the picks of the week and I'll kick things off because Andy, you mentioned something I thought was kind of interesting uh the idea of running loocal models on your iPhone Um, I guess it's not exactly a local model, but but two of the big AI companies have announced iPhone and iPad apps cursor, which was purchased shortly, a short while ago by SpaceX is now releasing its iPhone and iPad app I'm not sure. I guess it's a Gentic cursor. I always think of it as a as an editor. kind of like an IDE for AI. But now with Cursor, you can launch coding agents from anywhere, track and manage active engineering work Review screenshots and videos of changes Very, very interesting. Op cllaws doing the same thing Openclaw, which is now Well, the guy who started at Peter Steinberger now works for open AI, but openen Claws is still an independent organization and the official O Claw mobile app has now come to IOS it as well. So if you are the kind of person who likes to converse with your agent I was trying to figure out yesterday I was in the car and I was trying to figure out how I could talk to my agent. through teelegram. and I don't think there's any way I can really talk to them on telegram. but Fortunately, I just press a button in my watch or my. Now there's official ways to do that. bothoth IOS and So and I willt mention one more thing. Real briefly, I didn't know about this. Oh shoot, I have to sign in GitHub to see this. Apparently was there's some sort of cursor lag with the No Are you guys aware of that I was not. Yeah. Aarently there is a fix I'm not logged in so I can't show it to you. but you if you have been suffering from Cursor Lag. It's a weird fix. It's actually kind of a keep alive There is a way to fix the MacBook Neo cursor lag and Maybe that's why they put fix in quotes. because you have to kind of keep pinging it to keep it alive. Now let's get Christina's pick of the week. Okay, well, thank you. Okay, so my pick this week, you know, Jason was mentioning ripping his DVD audio stuff earlier. and they got me thinking, like I'm somebody who still buys physical media But oftentimes and the best code container to rip that to is usually MKV. But that can be annoying to play backack on your Apple devices. There is a free app called MKV to MP four. I actually used it yesterday. I forgot that I even had it. was it's so simple, it's so easy. and it won't re encode things for you. So if it's encoded in H two hundred sixty five You need to be aware of that, that whatever device you're going to play it on can do that, which I think any iPhone, since the iPhone twelve or thirteen end up can do. and I think all the Apple TV's that are in the ecosystem can play back. But it's just a very simple application that will just convert the MKV file to an MP four. So that's my pick. I think my Rememberory of this is MKV is just a wrapper And so side is it's a container So there is a compatible video exxactly. You have to get it out of the container. You just have to get out of the container, right? And so yeah, so it's taking the H two hundred sixty four H two hundred sixty five, you know, whatever's in there Whatever's in there. and then it's just going to, you know, rarap it an MP four. and it does more than just, you know, renaming the extension But But not much more. the file size is the same. You don't lose any quality and it'll even up preserve subtitles for the most part. So if there was a subtitle that was embedded in the MKV, then that will carry over too. So yeah, I should do this because I have all these MKV files and I just end up installing VLC to play them Yeah, and I do that too. and VLC is fantastic, but it's not always like the best. It can be funky for certain things. And so and the bigger thing for me is more like I needed to have something I needed to share with an iPhone user who I was like, I can't explain how to do VLC for you So let me just let me just convert this. I know this you an MP four Yeah. I know this will play on your on your iPhone. Let me just convert this. And I happened to have the app inst sold and I went, Ohh, you know what? this is a great little free utility and it's available on the App store or on their website. And so That's my pick. And I should mention I feel bad Copilot also has an iOS app. Yes. apologize. That's okay. That's okay. Yeahah. so it's but what the difference is that it's built into the GitHub So the GitHub app for I OS and iPad, you can control your co pilot sessions. And what's actually neat about this is that A, you can do it from the cloud. So if you've got, know a cloud agent running, you can maintain that. But if you as long as your computer is running, it'll even create a secure tunnel so that you could access your local coding session, you're running on, you your machine in your CLI or VS code or the GitHub C pilot app If you want to interact with that on iOS and on Android as well. There's just no excuse because, of course, they have the GitHub app on my phone and It'says co pilot right there And I should have mentioned that. I apologize. It's been around for a while. Soah that's a very nice thing to have. Thank you, Christina, Andy andaco, pick of the week. This one is actually a leftover from WWDC. It took me a while to get through all of the developer like all the videos that get posted. and the session videos for the iPad Of course, I was assimilating some of the wonderful news that was coming in about the wonderful newb APIs and stuff that that's coming up for AP. But I also noticed wow, what kind of stand they're using on that iPad? they're giving the demos from That's a really nice slick stand. And so I discovered that it is actually from one of my favorite makers, it's the U Green tablet stand twenty twenty four buckars on Amazon. I was not surprised to find out who made it because they also make like my favorite phone stand, which I carry with what I take with me to these podcasts. It's basically based on this exact same thing. It's solid metal. The hinges are really, really stiff, so that's very, very easy to adjust the angle to where you want it to go And it's not going to move around once you adjust it there. I would not say that it is a good one for traveling. This if you're watching it on video, I've got the phone stand here and the iPad stand is exactly the same sort of build, but it's maybe about a third larger. But the so it'd be a bit thick and a bit heavy to put it in your travel bag unless you really, really like having a desktop style work set upp for for your iPad or. It just your insta just did it. You raised your hands and the inststa pointed up it I love it. lear I've got a new camera that points it a new camera and I love the software, but we'll figure it through. I think that might a double hand raises is a, I think. I think so. I will just scoot it a sit up, Andy But yeah, so but I do find I love it. It's a good twenty five bucks of my money because it really does keep your iPad at the exact perfect height for like desktop work if for get your keyboard and your mouse next to it. And also it's just it just lives on my regular like work desk next to like my regular screen because it's also the perfect height for watching like an episode of Columbo while taking lots and lots of notes on something So it's the thing is it it's it's hard to it's a great it's a hard category to navigate, I will admit because either the when you do a search for this kind of stuff, youith to find like cheap Ali Express type of stuff. That's kind of garbage and you kind of don't want to trust your thousand dollars iPad or even your three hundred dollarars iPad on it. Or it's like tell you the design story of this stand. Now Durma Back when it was called a bachu I had a tradition like, oh God, this is going to cost me a lot of money. I can't afford a tablet stand that has a design story behind it. Just elevate it and let me tilt it a little bit. But this is like the best of both worlds. Re well designed, really, really sturdy, really, really convenient, and just twenty fourars twenty five bucks. So that's a very reasonable amount of money. So it's a low tech thing that's given me a lot of pleasure and happiness activity in the past couple of weeks I'm glad you showed it because it looks bigger on the Amazon site. Well because well because it is like that is the tablet version of this. This is Oh I see. They they make a version of it that's like fifteen dollars. So it is bigger exactly. I think this was this was a previous pick of the week, but you can but you can see how well, again, it's solid metal Yeah. And like I said, it is about I mean, it's probably imagine like this wide for like the width. Wh the Yeah. So it can so it can hold my thirteen inch iPad Pro very, very solidly Yeah it's a little more compact too, I like Thank you, Andrew. Let's wrap things up with Jason Snell. Hello. wee So my favorite podcast is after this one, of course is the and all the ones I'm on. is the Rest is History, which is a wonderful won Apples awward for the best podcast last year. I two great British historians they're doing a series right now about the American Revolution, which they referred to as a bunch of tax dododgers. which is It's very, very fun They have the greatest piece of podcast birch I've ever seen It's the next link in our show notes. It is the Ic in association with ICarus, which makesotb custom football jerseys, soccer jerseys They have created the historical World Cup soccer jersey You can choose from and I am not making this up The Aztecs where you can get a Montezuma jersey if you would like O a Moline, or there others ' it's historians and they did a whole series about it. There is the Royal Navy. You can be Nelson or Lady Hamilton if you prefer. They have Rome Where you can be various Romans. The best part about that is the number on the back is a Roman numeral. And the at Austria Hungary, if you would like if you fancy yourself in Habsburg yellow You can do it and you can choose to be either France Ferdinand or his wife Sophie, both of whom of course, sadly assassinated on the streets of Sarajevo kicking off World War one, which you know all about if you listen to the Rest is history. Anyway, four custom historical soccer jerseys is not the first time. They Gilamesh the Mongol emmpire. There's a lot of them. There's a bunch that are not the partnership with the restest is history that Icarus has done And then they also have a business making it for your, you know, your local team or whatever. they'll make them. But these are the four ones in association with the rest is history. And did I buy a Montezuma Aztec jersey? Yes, of course I did. what are you even asking me for? Oh, I ask myself. Are they called the revenge No, no, no It's And in fact, if you if you want, I mean you could you can also get uhot Tayoak who followed Makzuma or Melinche, who was the translator for Cortez during that. She was the Oh that she had an a great story. Beline was like their translator and also she had an aze grind because the Aztecs had killed all her family. So there's a question about whether she fafully translated everything that she told them, but we don't know. Anyway, if you would like my dear friend Mike Hurley, who also loves the rest is history He texted me one morning and he said, I've already bought the Nelson jersey. Well, you're a good British subject. You should get Lord Nelson's Now is there only one arm on one sleeve on that shirt? I mean, I think you got you got to like tie it up. I kind of got it. It depends on when in his career, whether after they blew his arm off or not. So All right, not going to listen to this podcast. So do I have to buy it to listen to it or? No, no, There's a membership, but it's also just free with ads And it's very it's very, very good. And yeah, try the try the American Revolution series, which is out right now or try the they just previously did a series about national anthems that was tied to the World Cup, which is really There's some really interesting historical stories about why people's national anthems are what they are, including our own. I'm confused because I thought Germany's national anthem was not Deutscheland Uberalis, but that's the one they play at the F one. I'm very confused. Well there's a whole podcast episode explaining where that music came from and which verses they read now versus which verses they used to read and how the Nazis actually kind of like took And then because the Nazis were really good at this of like what can we do for maximum propaganda effect and all of that. So it's all in the rest of is history. It's a great podcast. I love. love history. I was a history major. I just love it. That' funny. Listen to this. The guys are it's two expert historians, It's funny. And it's the I've said here before that, you know Mike and I are going to do an Apple History podcast right in California. How's that going, Bud? We are Kickstar closes tomorrow, desesigned. fm if you want to support it at the last, it's going great. We have surpassed our wildest dreams. So it's gonna to be fun. We're gonna to have a lot of fun, but our entire inspiration was the rest is history. We want to do that for Apple. so good. Very good. Check it out Thank you so much. Thank you Jason Snow. look for me in my I got my USA jersey on now, but look for me in my Montezuma Aztec jersey. Simes. You should wear that when Mexico plays and then you'd be right, you know, be right in there in the crowd. Yeahah Jason Stneell is it sixcolors dot comot actuallyually I had a whole bunch of Six Colors stories that I didn't get to Oh, I apologize. That's fine. I o ye But if you want to read every every day the stuff that you're going to end up talking about on Tuesday actually the place. That's the that's the thing I wanted to mention too just off hand is that last week was my last macworlds d. com column. I'm not I'm not going to do that anymore. Wow. And I heard which is yeah, I mean, it's a nice eleven year afterlife after I stopped working there where they still paid me and my name was still on their website and I had access to their CMS. It just kind of it was it was all bonus, but I have so much else going on now. There's a perfect time to stop after about five hundred columns and eleven years. But I've heard from a bunch of people who are like Oh, I'm going to be sorry to see you go. and it's like sixcolors. com man, I've been there for eleven years. I'm writing all the time and everything I do is posted there. So sixcolors. com paying attention. That's where you go. Theyin' paying attention. Jason does a plethora of podcasts at Six Colors slash Jason. Yeah, you can see Yeah The wonderful Christina Warren works at GitHub. I didn't give you a plug all day. Oh's one now. She's developer relations there In her spare time when she's not covering Taylor Swift. That's true. She does a little bit of that. She's going to Berlin next week for I am going to Berlin next week. Yeah. If you're in Berlin, go is what's the event? I think it's called We loveve Developers. I think that's what the conference is called. And anyway, yeah, if you happen to be there, be a Berlin and hit me up on Twitter or Mason or Blue Sky and or give me suggestions or places to go. You've been there before. I have. I have. but never in the summer actually. You have to wear black leather even in the hot, hot summer and it's been really boiling in Europe. Yeah, this is what I've heard. and so I know that they're in the middle of a heat wave. So great great tening on my part. I will have to you know, can wear black leather short shorts, That'd be okay. You know, that's true. That's true And then you got to go to the kit Kat club. I know that much or is that old? That's over. Anyway. I think you're going to have a great time. We will miss you next week, but you're coming back the week after, right? Absolutely. I will be back the week after. Yeah, this was a last minute trip. othertherwise I would have more know. you know I knew when we asked you to fill the Alex Lindsey Memorial chair that there would be some issues with you actually having a job rightli unlike Andy, that you might from time to time be forced to to vacate the studio. So we're happy to support everything you're doing Areciate it. And Andy andako, how is the new website going? Extremely well. I'm taking I've got some some stuff about the new M five coming up. I've got basically a bunch of stuff that I thought was going to finished three days ago. they're going to be finish tonight. 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