WWDC Keynote and Apple History

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I think we'll be able to do it in one show because It's all we'll talk about that in a. A that, we'll do this. We can have a history and we willll close with our comment peaking your comments, you can contact us through Blue Syt Facebook, thread, search for Mac We look for the Blue Mouse logo, send us an email at podcasts on Macwell. com Um Comment under a video, comment under a post Send us your thoughts to our emails directly, whatever Get in touch with us And we'll talk about your comments on a future show. I hope we have do we have any WWDC ones today, Roman At the comment corner, we have three comments about the new series Nice See, seeee how that works So you know, sendish your thoughts and we'll talk about it. Okay, so No in show, no, no banter. Let's just get right into. This is WWC was yesterday and I don't know what I was expecting exactly, but was it wasn't quite what we've got. It was very different than. than the WWC keynotesve we've had in the past For one, there was no like intro skit. Like usually they do something I mean, they had like the thing where the people in the backets of the heads, but there wasn't like a skit. Like last year they had the F one thing and they've done the mission impossible stuff and It's likeike there was none of that Two They didn't break it down into the sections like they usually do IOS macOS etcetera. It was all like here's everything and it applies to it was sort of tears of of technology Like they said I guess they sc them at the beginning saying there was like ike three thers thereers like trust and safety Apple intelligence Yeah and and platform improvements was the other improvements. Yeah. And by the way, I got to say, all right Last week, I said Yeah, you know, they're not going We were one hundred percent wrong. So wrong. I said, you know, they're not going to spend a lot of time talking about All the things they fix You know, because that's kind of an admission that it was ever broken. They they never do that. They just release something and say, this is the new best thing ever R And they completely, they didn' have a whole section. basically, they never used the word fix. They always call them enhancements and stuff like that. But it was an entire section just devoted to fixing all the things that everyone always complains about and making everything run faster. likeike one hundred percent wrong from what I said, not just like a statement, but like a massive section of the thing. It was the first section too After naming, they did that silly thing with the naming of MacOS. Yeah, Roman, what did you think of that Um I thought the animation was cool. It was cool yeah. So the funny thing is There were people we have a slack channel to coordinate our coverage while we're doing this. And you know people are offering their comments of what they see. A lot of people thought that sketch with the VW van I to read was pretty was pretty Finge I enjoy it I thought it was fun. He was fine. M musle a big San Francisco guy. So I thought it, you know, it was a nice triribute of a way to San Francisco. So I thought it was fun I thought it looked neat. I thought they did a great job of like capturing that yellow submarine almost kind of animation kind of style thing Um yeah, it was a little cringey, but it always is like the the We came up with a name. It wasn't that wasn't on any one of our lists, I don't think. No You know, No think Jason you you pointed out, I think was it you Jason you said that they weren't going to name it or they were weret that kind of nomenclature of like leopards, noow leopard, incremental nomenclature kind of thing. Oh, yeah. I didn't think they probably would I said I don't think Lake they'll go with Lake Tahoe after Tahoe because they're not going to go with that, like you said, an incremental nomenclature. Yeah. And I also didn't think Big Bear was probably that was the other one people were talking about. I didn't think that was likely Um, But I don't think Golden Gate is really on anyone's list. No, so I wonder if It's going gets a pretty big place Like everyone knows The Golden Gate Bridge, more so than Tahoe or Alkapatana or whatever he is other namees. So like I wonder if this kind of speaks to thing what is it? the touchcreen Mac book that's coming and like a greater change and bridging to things or maybe just lik that. I don't know know The thought I had behind the n and this is totally and I know this isn't it. What might be S sell yourself short. but I'm making something that that Apple could use if they want. San Francisco is has We've built this reputation now as being kind of the AI capital of development We have a lot of AI companies here And you know, a lot of basically what they presented at WWC was AI based features So maybe there is a Yeah, there there aren't any landmarks in Silicon Valley or anything Yeah. And they're not going to do Cooperino or something right? you know? So U Yeah, that's that's sort of the landmark that is most I guess you would say is most associated with The AI was committed right now Even though Apple doesn't have any development offices here in San Francisco. That's always Oh, they have nothing. There's no presence.'s. I think they have a sales office, but or like a satellite something. I don't know if they still do, but they used to Item come I have a stupid question before this is all over T two stuid questions. One is Golden Gate separate thing than the Golden Gate Bridge. Like is there a Golden Gate community? There is, okay. Oh, there's not a community. The That inlet where the ocean enters into San Francisco Bay is called the Golden Gate And that's where the name gets its bridge. The bridge gets its name. The bridge the bridge is called the Golden Gate Bridge because it crosses the Golden Gate R The bridge is orange it's not gold.s not supposed to be gold. It was never like it didn't change in the weather. like it wasn't cold to start. It was. No, in fact, they and they and it's continuously being painted that same day Sheed. My other stateid question is I think they did that shade of orange originally because it gets so foggy that it's visible in the fog too shts and stuff. Right.'s a. My other dumb question is what does the Golden Gate Bridge connect? Where does it go? It connects. San Francisco to Marin County. Okay. It was just north of the Bay. Yeah, It was north of the Bay Bridge So yeah, that' that's where it connects. So yeah, it's out on the northern west northwesternest part of San Francisco. just crosses the little inlet That where the sea goes into the San Francisco Bay, right? It crosses that to the northern There's not a lot there's nothing famous in Marin Marin is all Rich people suburbs and minas, like it's all. It's famous for what's the movie with Acatress The Rock and it was the earthquake movie with the rock and Oh the end scene is they're kind of overlooking this peninsula on the Marine side Right And they're looking at the torrent and a broken up Golden Gate Bridge. Yeah, the Golden Gate Bridge is the most destroyed landmark all of movie history, right Like it's destroyed in movies. Yeah. That and the Statue of Liberty. Yeah. Yeah. ye The only thing I hate about the N Golden Gate is that it's longer than Tahoe and it's twods and you have to you get to say Gig. G Yeah. Yeah, the Gig iss nice and I can also spell it properly. I still can't spell Squoia on the first round. I'll give you that Anyway, so theyah they really kind of opened up with the whole these are all the things we we're fixing And it's a lot of good. It's a lot of. First of all, yeah, they had this eye chart with like to let you know that here's all the things we're fixing so much stuff. they had like a million lines of tiny text. like You know, And it's we count on v it's two hundred and sixty things, but they're these are all things that people have wanted for a long time. They're custom EQ on AirPods and, you know What do you call it? like all fixing all the sort of like how long it takes to sync, start syncing your iCloud photos and things like that fixing step tracking on Apple Lodge separate alarm volumes fixing the Corner radiuses on on Maco as D to be consistent You know like to call out that they that they weren't before. Like they actually said that in they. They said it in the radi. Yeah ye. Yeah. and it'. But these are exactly the things that people have been complaining about for It's just aside from the visual stuff, there's a ton of optimizations, there's a bunch of slides on the website or pages, whatever D' like Ds launch thirty percent faster and airdrops go eighty percent faster like they upgrade a ton of stuff Like he was shocking that I' so bad. I get started with basically like, all right We like IOS twenty six and MacOS twenty six was based they but that's saying it that it's like like, listen, these are these are not up to our standards ight here's everything that we're going to do to bring it that to bring it there And and there's so many I mean Browsing network shares on B was always You know, you just kind of accepted that it was slow and then they're like, no, it's five times faster now. Like we. likeike there was that much room to be improved and you waited this long. So I think a lot of people are going to love the twenty seven operating system updates for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with AI S. I agree. L even if you don't even touch them, they're just gonna be like, oh, they gave you the thing you've wanted, they finally gave you, trust me R don't like the little voice thing is in the messages like Right A You can turn that off. so it's never there and you never accidentally tap it. Like it just all these things And like like dictation won't shut down your podcast. if you're listening to it, if you enable something that is system like like a system volume. Oh, there is a separate volume slider for alarms. Like all these things Yeah That's literally for like twenty years peopleople have been complaining about, it's like they collected all of them and said, all right, we fixed Ething Here you go. It's all the things that someone always complains about on Reddit or whatever and the people who've been using iPhones forever go like, they're never going to fix that. They just they just don't want to. They don't think it's important, whatever. Well, guess what? This is the one where they're fixing all those things So yeah, I'm pretty good I'm actually kind of impressed Yeah, it was surprising and impressive. and you know I wonder if like Tim Cook was like, all right, listen I'm leaving in September. Like you guys gott to fix everything. Like I'm not going out with any of these problems. Here Here's a list. You fix So I think it' much to do with things like the MacBook Neo and stuff where they're like, all right, we need a lot of stuff to run on low end hardware Yeah m sures a good gug So as far as low end hardware, IOS twenty seven supports all of the same. iPhone's going to iPhone eleven, which is We did not impressive I mean you don't get any of the AI stuff or the new series stuff, but all of the enhancements and I think The speed stuff, the performance stuff will be particularly noticeable on those older phones. Yeah, some of those are really targeted at older devices. Right So yeah, there's it's be that'll be great. Yeah. I think you're after there's a whole new thing where Your phone, always after a big software update, your phone reinexes And you used to be able currently you find that thing like in the battery now it's top and center. As soon as you open settings, there's a big little Cut out this says your phone's indexing Performance might be a little weird. It'll run better if you plug it in for a while U But they've changed how indexing works fundamentally to not only much, much faster once it's indexed, like to get your results, search results faster, but to index a lot more stuff and be more accurate and all that other kind of stuff And I think that's going to make a huge difference on older devices once indndex. when you update and you you wait two days for all to finish indexing and all the other kind of stuff I think things are going to just feel really snappy and fast And also like finding things quickly like they literally said in the keynote Like, haveave you ever search for something and you can't find it but you know it's there?s like Yeah, like all the time. but I didn't think you'd actually tell admit it. No. I didn't think you would admit it So yeah, they spend a lot of time on all that stuff and it's it's exhaust the list of the stuff that' fixing is pretty exhaustive. It's pretty great. They Nobody could look at that list and read through them all and not find at least five things that you don't go Oh my Godd, finally..ry Jason, you've You've messed around with the the beta for a couple, I don't know, twelve hours or so. Like ye anythingthing like is it can you can you know I know it's the first beta and it's, you know, there's still place to go, but beta ones always wonkiest of course. it it is I And I'm not the type to get caught up in like a psychological feeling of like, oh, it's faster, I can tell it's faster. I can tell it's faster. L there are certain things that are snappy like swiping between home screen pages you know, stuff like that certain apps definitely are definitely launching faster or launching or loading their content faster. You can you definitely feel some of those things being snappier and some of it might just be like literally They're making the animations shorter so they feel faster. And some of them might be like things are actually better optimized and running fas. But certain things feel more immediate. swiping up to unlock Lake that if your phone's unlocked and you swipe up from your lock screen to your to the toome screen. Like that's just like That's almost instant. There's almost no transition there. It's just o There's also it's because it's beta one, there's a lot of beta one wonkiness where things kind of hitch or get caught up. Yeah or just fail to load for a while just because things started. you know, that's just typical beta or like early beta one stuff Is this an iPhone seventeen you' using You can and you can feel the performance being there So that's on a new phone. Imagine if you had a fourteen or fifteen, you know? Yeah This is all good stuff and stuff we've wanted I mean, I can think back to like the iPhone seven E Like people wanted like these things to be fixed. so that was like a brush of fresh air from the beginning. It as a As a journalist, it was hard to digest it all because they just fired a bunch of stuff at you like immediately And like it was like we were waiting Like, okay, you're doing IOS, you're doing MacOS and all of a sudden're like, all right, here's seven hundred changes to everything. Yeah, someome of them are very specific to like Apple Watch and some are just on all the platforms and they're just And they they kept that throughout the thing. They didn't break it down by back OS. was iPad OS. everyvery now and then they'd say and on iPad, it does this, but for the most part You know, There were some things that were particular to the MC, for example, but Yeah, they went through tranches of things. And the second one was with the trust and safety thing. and that was kind of boring us all because it's important stuff, but it's boring stuff They're sitting there talking about parental controls for a long time and we're like It It was lengthy Yeah in our you talked about our slack chack and multiple people in our slack were going If they're talking this much about this, they don't have that much to announce because they hadn't gotten to any of the AI stuff or anything. So we're like, man, they must not have much or they wouldn't be spending this much time on parental controls They um yeah. so Po Crols that was the trust and that was the crux of the trust and safety stuff. Yeah. I think it speaks to two things. One Screen time stuff is hasn't been good since it launched. My son is older now he's fourteen, but back when he was like nine or eight wherever, he had an iPad And I tried and I'm, you know, I'm pretty good at this stuff Like I tried to my best to set up screen time and I kept it was always wrong. He would get locked out at the wrong time. This wouldn't open. that did open. I didn't wanted to. Like it wasn't easy. It wasn't intuitive wasn't smart. and like there was bugs at it and stuff. likeike it just wasn't So this looks like they're fixing all that Yeah, the basic rundown of it is this New setup for parents with new scheduling. So it's easier for you to say, well, during days of the week this during weekends, that. at this time of day, these things At this other time of the day, I allow this other stuff. U there's the major new feature was U different am different time allowances for different categories of things So like entertainment, games and social media, you can have different amounts of time allowed for these things I And then And the final thing was U They've had for a while now if if your kid wants to download an app, they have to ask and you get a message for asking for permission They're extending that to websites So that that was another thing Hs it ever worked for me, haaven't? Yeah L a website permissions thing? Any of it, like the asking Like it just one day it just stopped and I can never figure out how to get to work so I would have to go to my it wouldn't let him download it. It just wouldn't ask me So I would have go to his thing and type in the password and let it work. Yikes. But yeah, so hopefully all that works now, but Um So yeah, they're extending it and they and they're putting more emphasis on the idea that like it should grow and change over time. It should start off very restrictive and then as they get older or as they just get used to it you can add more things and steadily over time and there's a lot of suggestions for what's okay. . All this is good. I think a lot of this has to do Stly doesn't need an overhaul, but accross the world in every region, there's been a lot more focus on M. um, age verification and all this other kind of stuff like and putting the onus on platform owners like Apple and Google and Microsoft and so on. inststead of putting the onus on all the app developers websites and stuff like that to verify age and all that. So this all falls in that area where it's like, look, no, we're doing everything we can to protect kids, to empower parents et c. So it's all good stuff, but as a person without kids, I was just kind of like, They good, I can catch up on my notes. catch up. Well that's what That's what we used to use the on stage demos to do, but they don't do those anymore So there's like no breathing room anymore in these in these events. Yeah. I found it I found the parental stuff interesting in light of the MacBook No And I wonder if it speaks to this influx of younger younger people to the platform and not just the iPad anymore. And now it's, you know, they're like entering the Apple ecosystem from the Mac, from the iPad and from the iPhone. seventeen E, which is also relatively new. And a at a younger age and parents are You know, calling or emailing or however you get in tou with Apple and're like, listen, this just like I need to do this and I can't. Or schools You know, like like we just bought, you know, fifty thousand MacBook Nos Yeah and we need to set all these times Well shut down stuff None of those Yeah, none of these tools are for tools like big schools and stuff. They use a mobile device manager That is very much like Well if bu do okay, you know, If they supply themselves,ah, you're rightady But if's like a kid's bringing a MacBook No to school They're going to need it to or the parents or the teachers or whoever sets this stuff up is going to have to manage it themselves. But yeah, it was interesting in the context of these cheaper devices that are coming out or have come out it last, you know, what it was eighteen months or so it's all good stuff. But as Jason said, like it's, you know, for one it was a little boring. But for two, like this is stuff that They shouldn't have to they shouldn't be forced to do. like this is all things that They should be you know, like kids using your products need a different set of rules than the adults using your products, and the adults using your products need to be easily Abel to set those up for their kids. And I think the prior screen time was just too difficult And most adults probablying probably said screw it, I'll just take away the iPad if I see I' doing something bad or if I don't want to use it anymore, which isn't so easy Yeah, I think a lot of people just didn't use screen timee. I kind of I kind of want like a screen time for adults kind of a thing. Like, yeah, of course you can You can just set it up, You can just have your partner know the password or something. But I think there's a lot of adults who just need better tools to help you focus and say like I shouldn't be allowed to be distracted by social media or by these web pages or whatever when I'm trying to work on something. you know Like it would be nice if you could say, hey for the next hour, just be any pr. I think you can with like focused modes and stuff. you have to like do it. You It's going to take you in an hour set up like what you can do because you need to like allow only certain web pages and it's going to change from from , you know, project to project. This is one of those things that's really complicated because it's harder to do it for adults. where it's not strictly It's not like age content based. It's, you know It's based on Is this sciring around or is this me researching doing work, writing, whatever But they definitely better tools to allow people to focus and be not be distracted because fooccus modes, I don't dont know. anyyone uses them. number one. I still only I only use do not disturb. That's it I turn or I turn it off.. mine goes on automatically a certain time of night just to stop like, you know from coming in from family members at different time zones or whatever Um, But yeah, that's it. and that's and I think that's what most people do and I don't I'm surere going to get we're going to hear from somebody who has all these great focus modes and stuff, but I don't think a lot of people use them People I know who have iPhones and stuff kind of don't know they exist. Yeah. There's that too. It's like the control center. It's like, what was this? You know Um so yeah, that was, you know, pretty lengthy And then Th got to the big section which was like the last forty five minutes, which was Siri and Apple Intelligence. whichich is what everyone's been waiting for and everyone knew would be the crux of the show And it's I feel like there's kind of two, they're wrapped they're overlapping, but there's one which is just like, here's Apple intelligence hasn't like a base AI thing and some AI tools and how they apply to all these other apps. And then there was also And here's new theies L here's how we apply all this AI stuff to Siri and it makes a new Siri for us which is called SiriAI, which Yeah, which I takeate I kind of like it Yeah It's not really apples like that's not apples You know, like clever branding. It's just People are just gonna call it series still, but of course ye. So yeah, the new Sory, as we had heard in a rumor is a different animation when you open it, it lives in the dynamic island now So it has this like travel or be thing That expands U as like a little spinny series of circles to let you know that it's thinking Yep. and The things that they showed slick. A lot of those are things much of it was stuff that they had already demoed in some capacity a couple of years ago, the contextual stuff, the personal stuff. But you know, the things that they that they went through yesterday are They were like legitimately useful, like likeike my son emailed me or texted me last last month about a pair of sneakers that he likes. Can you find them? Tell me where to buy them and let me know how much they cost. and it can do all that you know, without needing any prompting Other than like your voice, did that prompt, you don't have to stare and well, right. repeatedly like ask it a bunch of different things Yeah, and it keeps it's going to be a You know, it's going to keep track of all of your past conversations so you can go back, look at them and, you know, all the things you do with other AI agents today They didn't cover very much the whole thing where there's all these app intents to let you do stuff within apps, but that was in the platform state of the union bit So that stuff is in there. they just didn't really kind of talk about it or demo it. So I'll be curious to see what happens once Apps roll out with these updates that allow that Siri to hook into them more an app. Yeah, rightight. It'll be similar in the sense that you'll ask it to do something in this app you'll just be able to yeah to do that. Yeah, so but that could be huge, right Yeah, yeah. no, I mean the whole thing seem to be like a lot better than A what it is and B what it was You know and this is good because it's two years later like it like, you know, it should be. But it like it seems to be genuinely intelligent. Now before we get to far, I have to ask because you're You're smart about these things the whole gem and I bit. I know Google and Apple partnered to use the Gemini foundoundation, but Apple kept saying it's its own Like this is our own foundation models. Yes. And they they kind of stopp short of saying that Google's not involved, but they also basasically said, this is our stuff. So give me like the quick little readers's digest version of like what's happening with Gemini and Apple Intelligence and these foundation models This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. 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Just find somewhere you've always wanted to stay, then go to my socials or Hilton's and tell me about it Just make sure you're a Hilton Honors member and I might be sending you Paris points because when you want points that make your summer even hotter, it matters where you stay Google just calls like everything Gemini but Gemini is all these there's like four foundations models in the world likeike all these other AI things you think are based on Anthropics's, you know foundation model or open eIess foundation model or Google's foundation model, or Meta's foundation model And there's bigger and smaller versions of them and. But they're all based on those things. And it's kind of like having a Linux based operating system or the way that MacOS is based on Unix, but it's not Unix. You can't just run any Unix app You can run some depending on what they use and stuff like that But it doesn't look like Unix and you can't just grab Unix and run any Mac app. like they're different. It's based on R. But Apple does a ton of work all the way down to the low level of the operating system do all their own custom stuff and support their own hardware and do all this other things So it's the similar sort of thing. They took Google's foundation model likeike the the underlying neural network and weights and training and all that other stuff that made Gemini what it is that is used for all kinds of different modalities and all kinds of different tools that Google uses with the Gemini. and they used that and then built their own foundation model. from that the same way that they built Mac OS was OS ten originally from Unix, right? Like it's W It doesn't mean that they That doesn't mean that it's the same thing with just like a different coated paint on it or we just it's Gemini, but with with Siri voice, right? Like it's they they made a lot of their own stuff on top of it. That's just their sort of their starting becausecause it's a very hard starting point to get. You have to absorb an insane amount of data You have to The training alone, first of all, it's difficult. There's very few companies in the world that can do it at a high level. It costs billions and billions of dollars and months and months of time and it it's extremely difficult. So that's where they started. And then they did a bunch of their own stuff to make this new Apple foundoundation mod. So when they there's a And Apple has a machine learning research website and yesterday they published is introducing the third generation of Apple's foundation models. I apologize to anyone that this is boring. But it's like this is it's important to understand like the foundation of this stuff because we're going to be using this forever. So Apple says At the heart of this architecture, which is the Apple Intelligence architecture is our third generation of Apple Foundation models, a family of five foundation models custom built in collaboration with Google So where like What is Google supply So I don't even know what Unix is, but that's a whole other show or l like or something like. or like, well, Litics I understand, I get I don't know U No I can't give youon of this bad here. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm trying to find a quicker, even simpler way to explain it than just like This is a unix based operating system, but it's not unix, it's its own thing. Like I'm trying to find an even simpler way to say Like a car analogy or something, I'm trying to figure out likeike Uh Or howbit like like not Let me Let me give you a metaphor. mayaybe it works. like Like if'm cooking I'm cooking a steak. Yes. And I have five restaurants and they all get the same cut of steak But I go to each restaurant and it tastes different because there's different spices, a different cooking process, there's different is that U kindind of where like am I am I in the ballpark here Or would I would it be like the same cow? You know more like it's more like the same cow or the same, you know, cut of beef, but that's I don't think that analogy necessarily works really well. Its like it's more like if you have like a car that's a Toyota, but it's built in collaboration with Honda and it's because Honda supplied like this valve timing technology or whatever. And you know, like you have those kind of things in the car industry where you have like these little sort of cross brand you things. it's it's more like that kind of thing like Yet, you know, Google supplied a lot of the Please If you don't understand the difference between like the AI that you interact with, the chatbot you talk to and the foundation model that is powering it, then it is hard to explain that like, no, they took this foundation model and then they enhanced and modified and built their own customers. startarting from that They call it their own. They keep saying our latest f. It's their latest. It's not the same as Gemini It's not won't get the same answers. You won't get the same I make up do with himself. This Gemini is a chatpot It's that's not the Gemini foundation model. The Gemini foundation model. R. I get I understand that. Yeah. It's like having six different completely different cars that use the same chassis. Like it's like, yeah, but this one's a compact SUV and has a V six and this one's like a sports car with a V eight. and this one's a little com, you know, but they all use the same transmission or something, you know, that's not It's that kind of thing. It's like there's There's layer the interaction layer that you interact with, whether you're editing a photo What? generating an image or video or or talking to it is not the whole of what the back end like foundation model is And it's hard to describe it any better than that without like going into boring the audience. Well, boring the audience and just going into stuff that like it was The best explanation really is that just like You could have Linux or Unix as the foundation for an operating system, but they're completely different operating systems. They're different interfaces that run on different hardware and have different support different apps and all this other stuff, but they're all Linux based becausecause Linux is like, I don't know core file manager ords foundation of how applications talk to the, you know the CPU scheduler in that kind of stuff, right? So there's layers of technology The very bottom layer of the technology is one that they started with what Google had and built They a lot of their own stuff on top of it, changed it, modified it, and made their own thing I think it does all mostly running on Google servers, but it's sort of It's Apple's stuff running on Google's servers, right? It's Apple's own. Well, it says instances. right. So it's still private Cloud compute, Apple st control of like, it's not Google's not sucking off all your data 's just because it's running on their hardware. That's that bit that we heard about Nvidia Nvidious Nv videoia GPU. so they they mentioned that. They say, Finally, we optimize each model for its target hardware AFM, which is Apple Foundation model three core AFM three and all the other ones is five of them. We're optimized to run efficily on Apple Silicon, which is the devices that we have R while AFM three Cloud Pro, which is the cloud stuff, was optimized for NVIidia GPUs using ization aware training, we accomressed our model substantially abvevelow. So yeah, like they they recognize the bits that are going on Um, even in like post keeynote interviews They were very adamant that this isn't Right. Th it's our stuff. Yeah Yeah. if you've ever used If you've ever used a service that uses Google Maps data, but is a totally different map It doesn't look act like Google Map.'s very conf.'ts Didt Apple Maps do that for a while or no No that was just straight up Google. That was Google.. absolutely right.. Well and what was They had Google Maps and then when they made Apple maps, they no that was that was u open maps and several other layers all cobbled together. and I don't want But like if you've ever used one that was it's custom made for something else, like fishermen or something like that, and it doesn't even look like Google Maps. It doesn't have any of the buttons Google Maps has. It doesn't do car navigation or have any of the features, It doesn't have any of the business names. it does have all these other layers like water depth and where fish are found and stuff like that. but they're using Google's Map foundoundation layer, right and and a bunch of other development work on top of that. It' that kind of thing, if you've ever used something like that where you're like, where did they get a whole globe worth of map data? They didn't. They're licensing Googles and then they're building their own mapping product on top So it's it's that kind of thing. It's a very similar sort of thing This stuff makes my head spin Like it's so there's it's it's so it's so confusing to me that There is these not all but there's several competing AI companies all with with different foundation models and They all do different things, yet they all kind of do the same thing. likeike for example the image cleanup tool Got a massive overhaul I knew u And you know, if you look on social media, people are comparing it to Samsung, they have a their latest phone does the same thing Previously It was awful on iPhones. likeike you would like like, you know, they they do that thing where they put someone like like a hand in front of someone's face and they see like how it, you know, like a real extreme example Yeah And the Apple one would be like all distorted and twisted and look all frank. It was terrible. Now ye, you know, people try out tried it out in the beta And they compared it to a Samsung phone and it's really good. Like really this. Yeah. And people are saying like, well, big deal, they're both using Gemini And that's where I think V disconnect comes because I think Samsung actually is using Gemeta. Yeah I they like that's straight up Gemini Gide. They likeike I'm pretty sure that they just have Gemini built into their phone. Like even the chat is Gemini.. Well, I think I don't think they have their own anymore I think it's the exact same situation where like I mean, Google's foundation Gemini foundation model upon which all these other tools for Google and other people are built is multim modal and it does a lot of things like create like u fill in image stuff and extend them and stuff like that. And so Apple is that technology and a lot of their own research and you can go like you said, there's that There's that research page where they've been doing a ton of research into like various image generation things. you know, and did their own sort of modifications and their probably have all their own stuff in there built aroundf trust and safety that's different than what Apples' is I mean Apple's done what Google is So yeah, based on Gemini, right? Like that's the starting point And then They do a bunch of other stuff too And they changeed right things Right So those you're not going to get identical results. If you took the exact same image with the exact same pieces ofizing. And then which is what people are doing. uploaded it to Gemini on the web and said like, you know, remove the hand, you know, whatever. And you did the same thing with Apples, you were not going to get like a pixel to pixel same like result. You might get kind of similar results, like in terms of overall quality, but they're not gonna to do the exact same thing The leap from terrible to good. Yes, is Gemini Like the like the initial the initial Yeah, I has no idea. it finds into there Sure. I guess you could say it has to be because they are, that's what they're using but we don't I don't I don't know where Apple was on all their research. Like I don't know what they would have if they didn't license somebodyies, I don't know what they would have released. Okay That hard's let's talk about something fun because that was boring. But thank you for indulging the audience because I'm super interested in this stuff and sike I don't spend a lot of time. Really it's hard to explain Yeah if if you kind of don't understand kind of the the the foundations of how things work under the scenes for a lot of stuff It's like you have to to explain it, you have to build on a lot of knowledge about a lot of other stuff. tricky There's no I'm not surprised people are confused about it Yeah, especially when when Apple has this big announcement that we're partnering with Google, it made it seem like, well, right we're just taking all their stuff and shoving it into an iPhone because we can't do it ourselves. But that's not really the case All right, let's talk about some fun. What's your favorite new feature that you've tried out in the last twelve hours? There's so much I haven't tried out because there's a lot of little things and I haven't had much time. Like I've been most of the time phone's been sitting there with the beta on it while I work on other things. Like it's like it'd be fun to play with these new things but I have content to produce Um So there's not a line I have tried to clean up on a few things and it's slower, but also a lot. Yes, it was it is slow. in the videos I've seen of it, it takes it takes a bit of time. It takes a bit of time, but the quality is much better. And so is that thing where you can re like angle change the angle of your photo and stuff like that. Yes. that works surprisingly well, but it is limited. like you can't drastically change the angle of the camera or whatever. but you You can get a different like a different framing a little bit and it looks surprisingly good and works surprising well. I've already found some errors where it will like When you're doing the extend and it's filling in extra space like it'll fill in something that was like a detail on and the part that was there and it's like, well, that shouldn't be out there. likeike you know some you get some you get the same sort of weird like hallucinations or whatever. but it's a million times better than what they had It's little early to start judging Siri based on It's quality. you obviously get a lot more answers and a lot more detail and a lot and knows a lot more about a lot more things has a lot more world knowledge and stuff. but it's also kind of I donon't say broken right now, but it's There's been times where it's just thought for thirty seconds and then never answered and stuff. It's like with day two of developer beta one. I mean, these are they're going to have these kind of problems U haven't done a whole lot of testing of things like timers in smmart homeome and all these other really local things that you just expect to be fast and instant. That's kind of next on my plate. I like, I need to ye see how well it handles the idea of like, well, don't go online for this. That's too slow. just Do you recognize that I'm asking something and be really quick U I love my voice. I think it sounds awesome Oh good. those with those sliders, the expressivity and the pace and stuff to make it talk slowerressor And the first beta, that interface exists, but it's all great. First of all, it only has two voice options in the video they showed vibe or something. And the sliders are gr out. So you can't adjust it yet. So but you can see that interface there. But it's still it's just it understands when to emphasize a word. to how to make a question sound like a question and It just has very much more human sounding emphasis on things and stuff. so it's really good a million questions about like is my home pod just a brick now? likeike is this? Why can't my home pod do this? Like just hit the go online for it, but like, I don't know. If this is on Apple Watch, why isn't this on my home pod? But well, it's not So I decided at some point we're not going to get to Apple Watch. So we'll next week's show we'll be devoted to Apple Watch, but Cut off like a ton of models. Yeah from this update So there's a lot of Apple watches that that don't get this stuff. Yeah, from from watch it was twenty seven at all. Yeah. muchuch less the series stuff. But the modern Apple Watch does have Like in a nine and but But there's no West. There's no modern home Like the most recent woundes was released like three years ago Like it doesn't exist. Yeah, but is that do they have an S nine in it? What do they have in ' them? I forget. I don't think so. I think it was. seeven or. Rona, can you look that up The second gen homeome pod, what ship is inside that thing? I don't think it's nine because and the think it was in twenty twenty two That was even older. That was like like six years ago at this point. Yeah So that might have been like an S four or something Yeah A couple of features that I haven't installed the beta because I haven't had time that I'm looking forward to trying is the that saafari notify me feature. you have no idea how many times I'll have a webpage open because there's some I don't know, Tops has like a baseball card release or where there's tickets or something. I'm constantly refres So this will let you know, hey, this webpage updated go the thing that you wanted to do. I haven't tried it. The interface for it is that you When you queue it off, first you tell it using natural language like what change are you looking for Like right when when This is in stock or whatever it is And then you give it an interval for how often check in their video example, it said every day at eight, I don't know how often you can make it check. Can you make it check every hour, minutes five minutes ye. Yeah, I don't know. I mean there are people wanting to check every five minutes. but yeah maybe even ten seconds depending on, you know, how often how quickly this thing coming. thing you want is happening Yeah. Yeah, that's how often you would want it to go. I don't think that they'll probably go down to ten seconds in the in the interface. but I don't think they'll do a minute But as long as it can check every, you know minutes or something like that. Yeahah, that's awesome. You can do that. close the tab And just wait for the notification to come in Yeah. U I also haven't tried, I thought it was really cool Like, just describe a browser. extension extion and you will make it. like o cool. Right. Same thing with shortcuts, that whole thing about just just, you know, forget about like if this then that and check check. just tell us what you want to do and we'll do it. That is if that works the way it looks like it works, that's. Yeah All right, Roman, I think you have our answer about thebot Yeah, so the HomePod Mini has a S five chip Oh, that's toold. And home pod, the second generation has an S seven. Yeah is. So best as we can tell is here S nine and later They both have one gigabyte of built in memory, which I don't know if that's an issue, but it seems like it could be Yeah. so I could ye, I mean, and none of the Apple watches have a lot of memory. But they're not running all they're basically just running the command processor. They talked about this where there's like a There's like a Siri thing that just says like, well, well, where does this go? Do this happen on the device? Does this happen in the cloud? Like what, you know, it has something has to decide Like guys you're talking and They just run that, right Right Still but you need I think you need a neural engine which the S eight chip and previous or a better neural engine is didn't have Yeah, so I'm kind of disappointed that they don't just There's not some way they can just say, all right, well, if you have an old home pod, all your SRO requests are just going to go to the cloud for I mean, I guess I would make things like adjusting your lights and stuff take longer. Yeah There's got to be a way. it's disappointing to me that this thing is I was hoping some software would make my home pod good and It looks like it's going to be like, now you're going have to buy a new home pot. They didn't even like there's nothing as far as we could tell that's coming to p Yeah They didn't announce anything, but'm not sure ye. Apple TV or TBOS barely got to mention There's a couple of small things, but there's nothing for home things No. And I think they'll announce a new home pod later this year when this stuff is about to come out and say, and it supports the S AI, you know The uh Another feature in the passasswords app Um, Like this is like a weird thing with me. like I feel guilty whenever it tells me that that there's a compromise pass run and I don't change it. Like All right I know I should But I can't be bothered. I can't be bothered. Like I don't like there's no data leak. L nobody has my password. But the reality is if they tell you that yes, it has. somebody somewhere has your password and there's a possibility That password could be used to break into or two It's being data brokeered all over the place. Like it's in a list that they found. That's why you're getting that. And they they always tell you all the password managers, not just passwords. They're like, hey, this is this is there's seven hundred And twelve compromised passwords. You should change them. and I'm like, oll get great. I'm not doing that. Let's say seven hundred a dollars' say but how often do you reuse a password So what wow what what the new passwords app with with AI will do It's not only will it tell you, It'll offer it to fix them whichich seems incredible to me. So they will literally Go to the site pllug in your old password. pllu in a new password Yeah change it, go through the steps and then save it back to your passwords app. So the next time you go You just log in seamlessly with the new password That's now nicely secure Without having that's incredible. It'll be one of their suggested secure passwords. Yeah you can pch like a fine string of Gbbledy Gook But um As long as it say that I don't have to remember it, go ahead. makeake it as. I don't knowook as you work. Because they slipped in a little like unsupported websites or supported services or something like that. So I get the feeling that there's going be a lot. I think modern sites have to kind of update to more modern credentials management for this kind of thing to even work Um, to get like requests from passwords and stuff. So I think if you're If there's services that are modern and support things like pass keys and stuff like that, those will probably work Things like my My bank site, which is kind of old. likeike there credentials management, like if my passassword's compromise and I said, change it. It'll I I got a hundred dollars that says I'll get a Little pop up that says, you have to go to the website to do that. Click here, go ahead and change it, you know I' just' throwown cold water in my dreams now Yeah, I means when person a l I' f like I just hit a button But I think what it's going to be is it's going to say like you have twenty eight passwords that are compromised and you're going to say, fix them all and it's going to go, we can fix these twelve. And all these other ones you've got to go to the site and do. and And it's like, well, hey, cool, it fixed the ones it could. and I'm happy for this, but Yeah, I don't know to what degree it's able to automate this on most websites. I'm skeptical Hea hold, I want to look to see now how many I have So I can't be right Some of you are using passwords, it's totally right. What is it. It literally says I have five hundred websites or logins that are Wow are of must be Well some of them like I'm going through them. Some of them are like the same listed five different times Oh, well still That's still not good. Some of them are things I haven't, I don't even know what the hell they are hold no, we got we have to end the show because I have to go fix my my dathws. All right, I'm going to close this and pretend I didn't look at it because that's upsetting I gotta tell you what I do. I have like I have like password guilt. Is that a thing? Yeah Totally is Iopp so I popped up the password app and then you go into security and it has recommendations. And that's'm going compromise stuff, but it's also things like this is too easy to guess. Right That or you reused it Right. And a lot of these are just old things that I don't know. How many do you have? What's your what's your number? So it says one hundred and twenty four recommendations But that includes a lot that say reuse passwords. and there're things like I don't have buffer anymore I don't have thats that's my old Disney plus. like I have a new Disney plus that has its own Yeah real p. That's what I saw a lot of too. like things that I updated, but I didn't update the blog in so I have two now Right. And some of these so some of these are that Tivo. Yeah. For God Tivo doesn't many. o doesn't exist When you look at your passwords app, how many compromised passwords you have? Somebody must have more than me. If there's a listener that has more than five hundred recommendations, please let me know so I don't feel so bad. But I'm just scrolling through here, things that say compromised or password is it looks like a's about or comppromised or easasy guest, which those are the red text. It looks like there's fififteen or so. and at the top, it says automatically fix seven passwords I have one hundred and twenty four recommendations. it looks like It looks like fifteen or so are the red text things that are either compromised or easily guessed And it says automatically fix seven. And I'm not going to hit the button but to see what happens. but Well, at some point do that because I want to know I'm glad Yeah, I'm not to do allward recording the podcast.. I'm glad that there are that it has that and I'd be happy to have it fixed the ones it can fix, the seven it can fix, but I'm not gonna to go try and fix my Tibo password because Tibo doesn't exist anymore. I don't care that that's found in some. I kind of wanted to just go like, oh, just delete this entry, man. I wonder well like I wonder like so theoretically you should be able to Maybe not. Like could you say, hey, U G through my password app, find websites that are defunct and delete those logins. Like like would it be able to do that I don't know that there's any kind of interface to do that. I don't think you can just ask Siri to do that. where you just like will delete passwords from your password app for you. L even if it could check all those websites, but I would love for her it to do that I also need it to dedupe my Apple music playlist. Well, thats like something that's like whole. It absolute looks like something that they should fix, but that they should do But yeah, sometimes because I'll like a song and it's like, oh wait, you already liked this song where it appeared on another album. And this is the twentieth anniversary Deluxe version of that album. So you had the song twice and you li like things and it's messing it up and Just how the music looks It Looks really nice in Iowa twenty seven. They have like these like really elaborate artist pages. They're artist pages, p pages can update it. Yeah yeah One more quick thing, Filippia Ees Posuto's writing a story about this. There's a little feature So when you copy and paste something , say you are in notes and you copy something and you go to another app little copied bit of text will appear above your keyboard, like like like a suggested text thing So you't have to press and hold and paste like it's right there. that's a little quality of life improvement. that's nice. There's a bunch of little quality of life improvements like that. I have noticed I don't wantan to say auto correct is better I haven't typed enough to know that. I will say the suggested words that appear that's what you're talking about, like in the suggested word things above the thing. The suggestions are better and appear faster It's one of those things that I think into the hundreds of quality of life improvements things R that people notice, you know Yeah, I'm getting better word suggestions that are appearing more quickly So if you're the type who starts typing a few letters and then you always tap one of the suggested words above your keyboard, you're going to probably find the keyboard is a lot faster for you now than it used to be. Good Our roll battery is the same That's like asking if f all soccer players are the same Take Messi, the most decorated player ever. Is there any other player who has achieved that? No, just him. Now take Duracl. Is there any other battery with power boost ingredients inside? No, just Duracl. Remember, goats only trust goats because they're built different, and Messi only trusts Duracl When you need to build up your team to handle the growing chaos at work, use indndeed sponsored jobs. 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So my son's name is Gabriel and I obviously when I write people or him I'll say deep And I used to always switch to gave GAV. And it could drive me nuts and it doesn't do that anymore overver the last, I don't know, three months or something. Does it ever do the other thing where you start typing gave and it tries to give you gab now that you it's thinkinks that all the time's a good I don't know. Like just switch one problem for another. That's funny. I don't know. 'use I don't know how many times I typed the word. Find out. Oh Yeah, I don't know. All I know is a lot of people complain that autocorrect is bad. I know how we articles about it. Then like years and years ago was better. I dont maybe our expectations are just higher. I don't know. I haven't used the keyboard enough do this And I use the swipe keyboard a lot which I recognize has got its own set of complications and problems and stuff. so I never used that thing I should, but I don't I never I still do the type type type type type thing Um Roman, anything we're way over, so it doesn't even matter anymore. Anything in MacOS that you want to call out Before we move on. I haven't had a chance I installed it, but I haven't had a chance to use it because I was writing stuff. Come on, you had a whole twelve hours. What's supposed to matter? I had a whole twelve hours. I spent a couple of that writing a compatibility list Whatould you do sleep or something? Come on. Oh I watched the basket Yeah inst point. But u I I'm to blame Wemy for your lack of production. So I got on the waitlist for Siri and online people are saying it took them a few minutes to a couple hours. I checked this morning, I'm still on the waitlist. So I don't know how long were you on your waitlist, Jason A. a few hours I would say probably three or four hours Can you like Ron but I like had I installed the beta Inant it came out Hm um So U and once you're through, you're through on all your devices I also noticed it's your Apple ID is whitelisted So Yeah. I wonderart restart your Mac F it around. O did they Did they give priority to the iPhone or iOS twenty? Maybe not. And the OS twenty is that possible? Possibly. And when you load first load up the beta. The first thing you see is a slider screen to adjust liquid glass Yep. I couldt tell a difference on a slider. No And I couldn't tell if it I I couldn't tell if it was because I just couldn't tell a difference or it hadn't implemented differenceces J. I hadn't seen it on Mac, but on iPhone, it's the same thing. You get a thing It shows it shows a liquid glass interface. You may not have noticed this on Mac, but it's It's an interface over texted images, that texted images can be scrolled. So you can see what it looks like as it moves under the interface. U and that's I kind of had to do that to see the difference between the sliders. It became really obvious. Once I started moving stuff under it. I was like, oh, yeah, though, this one's really opaque It's almost possible to see through and this one's like really clear Okay. Yeah, the window, I took a screenshot. The window is it isn't ar that you can scroll it. I didn't then I Yeah, it wasn't clear on the iPhone either, but like when I touched it and I was like, Ohh it moves. okay. done. Well, that helps a lot. Well, the problem is I could continue and then I couldn't get the window to come back. It's gott to be in settings something. It's gotta be in setting. I didn't hke around enough because I was busy That would be the most apppple thing ever to have a liquid glass slider that doesn't change anything, but it just gives you like the placebo effect that it's different. It's great But yeah, I'll need to take a closer look at that. and All right, I look forward to your thing. I saw that the menu bar now has like the little arrow thing Like So if you have too many menu bar icons forever, like they would just basically pick a couple to disappear on you And now you can click a little arrow. like there's a bunch of like small little macro utilities that just got put out of business. Yeahep. but that are you happy with the new icons over Um I didn't take a good look at the new at the icons. I barely spent any time after you know, with the business. So I didn't get a chance to look at Um, I get You know, from what I can tell from what they demoed on screen The thing is it's still the squares So that's that's Oh yeah, you know, it's I wish Developers were allowed to basically go back to what we used to have You didn't have to be refined. you know, or, um Ied to just a square, so yeah. ye. I thought for a moment when they were showing that animation that things coming in like, oh look, we're going to get Yeah, I know They they still are Yeah everythings. It fits in the squirrel, but it's just now got more sort of depth and color it's to be more distinct So everything's just the flat Depending on how big you like to display your icons, you may not be able to notice them I don't know that for sure. I'm just it was just something that re my head. So a lot of people, you know, if I'm in a list view, I won't even really notice them. So We'll see I'll take a look. I've seen like comparisons online and they're not that different. Some of them are more obvious than others depending on the layers that are overlapping. but Um ' they're fine. I don't really spend a lot of time thinking about about icons, but Roman, are you upset? you didn't get back Launchpad? The launchpad icon? I Well you know, I'm going turn to a third party essentially app for that. That's never coming back. I don't think. I think I don't think so the apps app. so Yeah Get rid, Just get rid of it All right, we should move on or we're never gonna to Yeah up this wait I gott to we gott to just address this one last thing because so was Tim Cook's last WWDC Um He gave a bit of a emotional farewell the end Like you can tell that, you know, it was his last little thing. likeike I don't think we'll ever see him on a keynote again But what was most surprising is that John Turnnus was nowhere Yeah. D didn't make a single expereience in the whole show. Yeah And and that me have to do with the kind of show that it is. like They didn't want to make him He's not CEO yet. He's not gonna to take the CEO role and they don't do any hardware. So like on a normal year, they wouldn't have John Turnis at any of these WWDC things. And so maybe that's And we see all the Craig Freder Rki in the world because software is this thick, right? Man, there was so much Craig Freder Rki Yeah. It really made me to other not but it was like Yeah. ye It made me understand why like why he's not CEO. He's just too much of a character to be the CEO of apple. I like to listen. he's He's great for what he is.s He has a fantastic personality seems to be very affable and likekable and But man, he's not a CEO I feel like these u This is his show because this show iss all about software and software is what he's in charge of So Yeah, he's in charge of the OSs. He's going to be in this show a lot But yeah, like you said, he's he's kind of a character and I don't know if if he was CEO, would he have to turn that down I would think a little bit Yeah. And you don't, like you don't want. like the Craig Federo you get is the one you want Yeah, I'm sure he's he's a blast to work with yet he's still, you know, gets his teams to get things done and you know, all that stuff like his role is perfect for But no There was a lot of him, yester. It was alm too much Okay, you can check out Mac World. There's a ton of stuff and we have a ton more. I got so much editing to do this afternoon. There's a lot more coming And next week we will talk about Apple Watch and watchatch was twenty seven because I got questions And I'm gonna pass it up to Roman for this week in Apple history I like that new entry room, and I've been working on it. I see So in Apple History on june eighth, two thousand nine So that's what seventeen years from yesterday That's good. Well You didn' need Ciri to to do that math, could you? Yeah, I'm getting better at the math in my head Npola announced at WWDC two thousand nine back then. U O is Ted snow leopper And A. Bramleay presentation at the time he was the vice president of software Engineering And there was a slide it was famous for the slide that came up that said zero new features. Yeah rightight like's the point of pride, which as I recall Later As the software came out, People said, well, no, there's like thirty new features. L they're little things, but like there was new stuff. That wasn't the focus. The focus was the own stuff And that was a that was the kind of cheekyiness that Apple was back then that they would proudly Think slides new fchures, you know And And I found it's appropriate because that that's our Apple history because this is the first time since then that they've really spent a lot of time Yeah basasically going, look at all the stuff we fixed All your requests, all the technical problems, all the speed up, all the thing was very snow leopard like Then they also all the AI stuff on top. Yeah. Right. There's still new stuff, but yeah, it's very much a maintenance release So Roman, am I correct in remembering that it was only twenty bucks versus one hundred and twenty nine dollars for the likeike leopard and lion and stuff Or am I misreembering that? Actually, I didn't confirm that, but that sounds correct to me As I recall, that was the beginning of OSs being cheaper before they just became free Yeah So it was twenty nine bucks Snow Ler was twenty nine dollars and according to Wipia which I'm not fact check at the moment is his initial sales were significantly higher than its predecessors j prices starting at one hundred and twenty nine dollars But I think after that I think Um A Snow didn' we have like a run of like forty dollarars dates and stuff. If I recall, was something it was something like that. They They never went back to charging one hundred and twenty nine bucks. Right. And then they eventually just said, you know what We charge you for the hardware So MacOS Lion, which came out next, right I thought it was before I was wrong U, twenty nine do ninety nine And it was the first available exclusively as a download. from the MacA store. if you wanted a USB flash drive. which they started taking that's right. orrders a couple months later, it was seventy dollars. You could get it shipped on a flash drive because it was too big to fit on a CD Yeah And they weren't doing software on DVDs and having DVD players for everything and all that. And also, I think they had started shipping some computers that didn't have CD drives. Were you at that? wereere you at that event? Do you remember? That one I was not at. I don't remember U Now I'm just filling air as you guys are looking up stuff. For people who don't remember, Snow Leopard was an upgrade to Lopard hat was a little flaky, so that's why they came out with snow leopard I got all the answers you can stop because I'm vamping U Mount lion. was the last paid upgrade for OS ten Mavericks that came out a year later in twenty sixteen? No, o twelve, twenty thirteen was free and everything's been free since then Yeah, rightight And it was twenty bucks. No that's that's what I got that confused. So sorry, Jason. Mountain Lion was twenty dollars. Right Snow Leopard, Snow Leopard was what would we say twenty nine. I forgot it. was It was like forty five minutes seconds ago. Then what was how much was Lyion Lion was Yeah, I just said right I think I just said that. I don't remember forty book it wasnow Leopard lion mountain lion And then with Mavericks, right, start beat free Yeah, so the last that was one hundred and twenty nine was Leopard. And the last that was paid at all was mountain l So I guess the easy way to keep it in your head is when they switch from animals to landmarks California landmarks is when it got free. There you go Uh but also that prices changed over time. We have on Macrold like a whole version history of Yeah, Mac stuff. we should add this pricing stuff to this. Because it's a pain to look up and I'd rather just go to our site than have it in there. For for the fourteen people who care about it Well, you're one of them. I guess I am too So there's twelve others. Oh It's hard to believe we used to spend one hundred and twenty nine dollars every year Yeah most people that's the thing mostost people didn't. Most people only upgraded their OS every That's part of why they started making them cheap and then free is they're like, we really need people to upgrade And it's hard to convince people to spend all this money Money to upgrade. Yeah All right, S we move on to comment corner Yeah, sure So comment corner we've got Th comments about the new series, the voice. Jason did a video short about the new voice of Siri So we've got a few comments on three comments on that that I picked out Fjito bonito on said that it's way better than Alexa's new trash AI voice. Have you guys heard? I don Yeah, I have a so I have a I don't know, some fire cube thing that I never use But it got updated to the Alexa Pus. And I asked it a question at some point in the last few months and like it answered like, whoa, like that's that's a new voice for you, Alexa. And it was it was al right. It was it was it wasn't bad I don't like any Alexa anything, so you're never gonna hear me say anything good about Alexa S I feel like there's a backstory there, but we don't have anywhere near the time they to Yeah. Oh Altruistic Vikingking via YouTube said the best thing is the ability to ditch the American voice You've been able to do that for a long time. Yeah. ye. That's not a new serory thing. Come on. So U what A couple years ago, year and a half ago when I went to South Africa, I switched my Siri voice to The South African. Okay accent. And I haven't changed it since because I liked this. It's cool. The Irish one's really cool. There's a couple like that. And then even within, say, American English, there's five or six different voices that have sort of one's more masculine, one's feminine.s there's like a sort of an agender one. There's, you know, several different voices to pick from But you've been able to choose like a totally different. English sery voice. even if you're just in English, you can do a Scottish English, you can do a UK English. The British one is fun. It makes it sound like it's a butler or something I have the same like the original voice on my phone I never. changed it, but in my car I have this like, she's almost like sarcastic. Like she gets like upset when I ask her like direction somewhere She's like, whereere do you want to go? I don't know I don't know how to get rid of it, but she's Like she's very annoyed when I ask her to do something Wow, that's is unusual. This is just with like Apple Maps It's just yeah, it's just with the carate It's a totally different voice and Like I said, she likeike if you use a different app, it could be a different voice because if you're using W. this is it's Apple Maps now. It's Apple Maps. I've never I've never heard that. That's unusual. She's a It's like like it's like a millennial, younger millennial voice It's got to be in the car place settings. There has to be a car settings. We leave it on because we all laugh. you know it's hilarious because like I'm alm afraid to ask for directions because I don't know how it's gonna react Our last comment comes from Dom Ets via email and I have a language warning here So Dom L said via email My main take wait hold on hold on. He sent you an email. O this is from the TikTok In res to Siri AI during the WWBC. Okay demo. I'll try and do God justice. and I'm going to read it as he wrote it. I not I didn't wr any editorial. I can't wait Dom Lse says My main takeout was Siri for really lazy fuckers who have no idea. Hey, ask Siri AI Literally no features that benefit someone who is not a moron And then I saw that no photo is ever going to be true again CEI, thank you. Why give a shit And for all this and for this, the world burns One yes, one Data Center for anthropic They are trying to pitch is the equivalent of all households in Australia's energy energy draw That's from Dom. sounds like he's from Australia. So I couldn't do I can't do an Australian accent. I would love to hear you try. Do you know this guy I do not know this guy hadt What made him think of you while he was watching this? I don't know did you send it to the viewers of the podcast account. It's trust So he probably just looked for the first email address he found on Macroll in. What do you think it us for? Like we're not doing anything. Well, we always tell people to mail us for this very purpose. I think So maybe he heard the podcast and he's like, you know what? I'm gonna let Roman and Macroll know about this. Right. He want a podcast And he just said, I'm going to vent at Roman. which is fine. It's fine. ised. We ask you for this kind of feedback all the time. No I'm not upset. I'm just interested as to what what propelled this guy toail to email Roman withith these very speific ples. he's the producer of the podcast and he wanted to get what it was on comment corner's yeah it's commentary So yeah, you know And Jason's covered this before an article he's written. there there is, you know ople There are a lot of people who are not happy about AI, whether The technology itself or how the technology is being executed, the infrastructure, things like I was listening to a podcast on thew way here U about you know, the data centinister being built and, you know, the resources that they're using and a lot of the deception that they're doing to get them built. Oh yees Because once they're built, what are you going to do? But yeah, so a lot of people are not happy about AI. and you know, covering AI myself. It it feels I feel a little conflicted because I'm excited about the technology, but I also know that There's some bad stuff going on behind it. so Yeah, the I meant to ask Jason while he was talking about the photo stuff and I forgot. but we can if you can give me like like a two minute answer, like philosophically, the photo features, the resize and the reframe and the stuff. Yeah. like how do you feel about ability to easily do that with like one touch on your phone. Yeah. I mean, they're not There's nothing built into it that lets you like completely fake an image.. Like you can get a bit of a different angle where you could widen it and then the edges are all made up. When you do either of those things, it's drawing in fake background or fake extra side U I think compared to tools that are out there on the internet now that can make completely fake images or insert people into images and stuff like that that are Really, really realistic. L really they're fooling people unfortunately. L even if you're pretty good at spotting these things like your grandma's like, I can't believe that happened, you know So those are problems. They are supporting Google has that that's a sort of metadata and watermark kind of think for AI images and Apple old system didn't use it. They use their own kind of watermark. Now they're using the one that Google's sort of the proponent of that to everyone's kind of No, no, no. it's that's a visible human thing, you see. There's there's metadata built into the image that is not seeable by the human eye that lets other tools easily know this was an AI generated Cuse you can just c out the little Sure S everybody R it U So Apple's supporting that, they're using that But there is this very real thing that's been going on for years now that like what even is a photo any because even before you could move the camera around or expand the view or something like that. What you're getting out of your phone is fake. L it's been fake. like those aren't they take like twenty shots and then AI the crap out of it to make it detailed or the colors right or whatever. and we've all seen places where it gets it wrong We've all seen these examples where it's like, here's what it really looked like and it made this thing have this color because, you know So Yeah, you can't trust anything anymore. L I don't even know And I don't think that's just an apppple problem Yeah for at least but at least there's sort of at least they're sort of building in this like sort of metadata to make it obvious when something's been AI doctored. I find it interesting that like the cleanup tool has been around for a long time Now. years and They just because it wasn't the same rankcor about. Now that you can adjust the angle or you can widen the view and it's obvious that it's drawing a more like a different set of big pixels to make it happen then that's like a real So Yeah, I don't I think like the cleanup stuff, you can anyone with like rudimentary Photoshop still skills could do that Like taking up an object and like turning it and then putting it like that's that's more absolutely huff. But but each just is fake. like that is not what happened in reality. Right. That is what was there. Right. So yeah, this whole like photos aren't photos anymore is a real thing and it's it kind of disturbs me as somebody who was into photography and likes shooting with my DSLR and stuff like that. it bothers me how like nothing's real Even basic non edited pictures aren't real. They've gone through this pipeline of AI and everything and it's Yeah Yeah that's an interesting point about just smartphone photography in general. Like I remember when iPhone six introduced portrait mode Like even like that's even that. like we were amazed, but You know, it's looking at the edg, it's drawing stuff. It's's it's piecing together five different images into one and, you know, Yeah so there's this was there' a whole of the evolution There's that whole Samsung debacle of like they were faking moon pictures right? Because so many people take a picture of their moon with their with their camera with their phone camera. and that does not work. So they're like, well, we're just going to kind of stamp and blend on with AI because the same side of the moon's always facing you, like the details of the moon. and like everyone will be impressed at how good the photo is. It's like, but that didn't happen So true. Yeah. this stuff's been going on. It's going to get worse. but hopefully What we see, what we get is we get good Pools U for these things to be barked as This was generated through one way or another and significantly altered so that we don't get fooled for important news events and stuff like that Does it for comment cornner All. I'm in a Let' skip all this because I'm so tired. But that done it for this episode of a mackerol Pun. This is really long U on top of a long day and a long other day. And it's Tuesday. It feels like it should be Thursday. I know But that does it for thispisode of Michael Podast in episode number nine hundred and eighty seven. Jason told me before the show we were talking. He's like, makeake sure you go to your out show and fix everything. and I did So I know it's nine hundred and eighty seven Thank you, Jason Thank you Thank you, Roman Thank you, sir. And thank you listeners for tuning in if you've made it this far Be I checked out like thirty minutes ago. Y. 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But now's the time to' WWDC twenty six that Yeah or something or says that now we have video, whatever. you know, Dad go fix it right now