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It's not a preview Anyway, the first we could talked about IOS and MacOS Th we talked about Apple Watch last week. if you heard the show. and today's going to be all about Syri and Apple intntelligence Um I'll admit I have not installed it on any of my devices because I'm just terrible at getting that stuff done, but Jason has and Roman has and we're going talk to them about Good stuff, bad stuff, and he surprises hope streetens whatever else comes up And then we have this week in Apple History And we will close as always with our comment corner Speaking in a comments, you can contact us through Blue Sky Faceook threads, search for Macro, lookook for the Blue Mouse logo Sendnd an email to the podcast at Macroleot comot send us an email personally, Comment under a post, comment under a video Send us your thoughts And we will talk about them in a future Sh So Today is all about Siri. But before we get into that, I actually have a rare correction. for Our last week's show, we were listening back And I was writing stuff and I noticed so Sorry, Jason. this is going to call you out a little bit, but Oh totally. yeah. Yeah We were so we were talking about watch it was twenty seven And he was talking about how he installed Siri on his phone and he stalled Siri or watch it was twenty seven on his watch and how the two things weren't like in in in Conggrruence. where things that his phone could do, his watch couldn, namely adding adding like extra time to a timer, I think that's what it was that you were talking about. Yeah, that's a, that was one of the examples. We also we also said, hey, it says Siries going to be like the center Right. Icon of the new little launcher hex thing and it's not on mine Right. So we had a whole thing about that. and it turns out the reason why it's not is because Siri isn't active yet Yond to Watcho twenty seventh beta. There's a little foot att the very bottom of Apple's Watch U twenty seven page that says SirI will be available for developer testing in a future. Watch OS twenty seven beta. Yeah, and and yeah, I'm just a big dummy and I've been using it you know just for simple things like, you know, starting a timer and setting off a watch or something and not really just paying attention to the fact that the little Siri bubble was the old, colorful one and not the new clear one. Just not just not going like dud. this isn't the new series. It just completely Well, it's like a one inch screen it got there. so I don't blink noticing that. Still like there's a supposed to be a Si app and it show looks different like I just I just totally I was complete idiot about it. I mean, it didn't really dawn on me that they would make that we would they would release watchatch It was twenty S, but not with the new series But of course, that's exactly what they did, you know, for testing, you know. It'll be It'll be there by public beta sure. Yeah, I would assume so. it's weird that It's not. it's the only OS Obviously TBOS doesn't have it because it doesn't have it But you know, IOS, Mac OS, IPadOS has it. And it's interesting to me. Like I wish I could get some insight into what they're doing with Watch was. We already had a whole show on this. You can go to last week, but The S watchOS twenty seven is only coming to the models that support SRAI, which cut off a bunch of earlier models and it's strange to me because there's other features and enhancements and design improvements that the older watch is aren't going to get and yeah with IOS, they they cut it off. Ls like, all right, these models are getting scary And these models are getting IOS twenty seven with all the other stuff, but they're not doing that with Apple Watch, it's weird Yeah. it may as we speculated before, it may just have to do with not just Siri, but things like like some of the new Other features and stuff like that, they just they're just requiring more RAM than the Rress eight. has But Yeah, the second developer beta just dropped yesterday for everything But Apple Watch I notice. Oh, it's not at all No. it's Apple Watch is still on beta one Okay. So interesting. Yeah, it's yeah, it was weird. So my guess is like maybe that's what it is. Maybe they're trying to put Siri AI on the beta two here And it they're fixing There's a last thing they got to fix, you know, and it's going to drop today or tomorrow or something as we record this on Tuesday, the twenty third, you know U So yeah, I noticed that and I thought that was weird and I'm wondering if that's related to this whole thing where Sies not on watch OS twenty seven beta yet The new serie It's old series still. so. Yeah, that makes sense kind of. Um as far as we know Siri AI isn't guaranteed to be part of Watch OS or not watch. An OS twenty seven point zero. Like Apple hasn't committed is Siri coming out with the first launch in September. They keep saying that it's available later in the So that could be it could be twenty seven point zero, but it might it also might be twenty seven point one Yeah. But I will say two things. One is they never say what's coming in the launch, right? there' no They don' Later this year is just because they don't put a release date on twenty seven updates. As far as Apple's official thing goes. it's not. It's not coming out in September. We didn't say it's coming out September. Where'd you hear September? So but but they're not If anything, they've gone the other way with this and they're not showing anything at WWDC or talking about anything that does come in a later update. They're only talking about things that come at launch now and it's it's Good enough shape. It'll have a beta tag on it just like they did with right old series improvements for or the original Apple intelligence stuff It'll have some beta tag on it. It's only going to be in the US at first. and only in English and then all those things will come later. So Yeah, I'd be shocked if they released The OS twenty seven updates without Siri AI in it Plus, I think they'ves got hooks throughout the OS. I don't think they can easily rip it out Yeah, I agree. It's just so that all over their websites, IOS MacroS, IPS There's a little footnote that says SiriI AI will be available in beteta later this year and requires an Apple intntelligence enable device set to a support language bl bla It just seems odd to me that they wouldn't say Siri AI will be available in beta in IowS twenty seven Like other things say that. So I just think that they're kind of couching in a little bit. I mean, I think you're right. basased on everything I've read and based on what you wrote. It is pretty good Already And they have June, July, August of three months to or two two and a half months whatever to get it even better So it would be surprising, but I wouldn't be totally shocked If twenty seven, Iowa twenty seven arrives and then Siri is in Iowa twenty seven point one Yeah, it's possible I would I would be a little shocked I mean, it's I would leave the door open for that possibility If anything, I think we're going to have some weirdnesses around w the waitlist. Yeah. There was for the beta, there was a waitlist. you just like Just like way back with Apple intntelligence, you know, youd say Yeah, turn it on and then you wait a bit to get access and I don't know how They're going to probably just watch how much usage hits all their cloud servers and all their Google cloud servers and stuff like that and go okay you know, they make sure they don't overrun the servers. They're going to be really cautious about it. It's going to take some time. and then thing you know you know, it'll be We'll have the internet will be full of people who say, Oh I installed it two weeks ago and I still don't have access, you know Yeah, Roman, you had a couple of days where you didn't get SirA I U when it was it was like two days, I think, right It was a little more than twenty four hours. Oh o one day Uill one day could have asked Apple PR to give me access earlier I kind of wanted to see Yeah How long it would take as a quote unquote. As' cool user Your word is not mine. So yeah, because if if the case was that this is what they're going to do when the official release comes out, I wanted to G an idea. Oh how hard that weight would be. Some people were saying minutes Yeah, Jason, you got yours pretty quick couple of hours. I installed the beta basically Within minutes of when it dropped and I got Siri access like that evening. so like it was, you know, four or five hours maybe The weird thing was indexing, holy cow. like Like we're used to indexing taking some time when you get a new OS update, but they've totally revamped how right You're Cent indexing works. not only to have much better search, but to fuel series all their on device stuff that we'll talk about And they tell you that it's indexing. Like you used to have to go hunt for it in the battery stats or something like that. You know, it would tell you it's indexing and that might impact battery It's always been that like, hey, if I just plug in my phone and just leave it off over there, you know, just Unattended for a few hours, it'll be done and It's been for a lot of people, it was days. If I think mine I think mine finally stopped showing the indexing message after like day three or four It was crazy. on a brand new like high end phone.. You know, I mean, I've got some content, but some people have a lot more than I do. H So yeah, I think people are going to be like, why is my phone? it'll be a week and people why is my phone still say indexing? because it's gonna to end out for like a week. So a couple things about that if you don't know what that means, indeicing means that the system is basically looking at all the things you have on your phone and just creating like a map for it so it can easily access that stuff and find it when you search for it Um to, Jason This isn't something that's going to happen every time you update your phone it typically does it was Yeah. it's usually like it's re index when you update to IOS twenty from twenty five to twenty six, you know they'll be maybe a new index because they're Um And that most of that has to do with it looking at all your photos and having a better idea of the things in your photos. because you can search your photos by the content. You can just go, you know You know, mountain That actually works really well now. Yeah, it's Yeahah, they're surprisingly well Um So Uh it usually happens then and then like twenty six point one, twenty six point two, all those things you don't get a new it it doesn't really indx stuff usually Um But yeah, so this is not only is it a reindexing, but it Everybody has reported that it takes a lot longer. and in some cases people It was People are posting like it's day five and it's still indexing There's some wonky stuff you do. You can plug it into your Mac uh and say like trust the Mack and stuff and then then you can open up a control what do you call it? window that search through log records and see how much how far it is, you know, how long it is is craziness, but It's not like it helps it comp any faster The so the reason why it's doing all this indexing is because I assume spotlight search and Siri needs to access everything on your phone extraordinarily as quickly as it possibly can Yes And more thoroughly. and just kind of I think it's building a better sort of relational map between your content stuff And that's also that Siri can know you personally Bom which the new series, series, AI which I have to admit works surprisingly well and is really cool. Yeah Yeah, so you wrote an article last week J'sust your first impression. you use it for a couple of days. moment you can put this in the the elusive show notes that I don't know where they are T try s where the where the podcast lives. I'm just I'm I'm being obususe for no reason U And you did a pretty good Smattering of questions. Things that people will probably use Siri. My biggest problem with Siri, and Roman, you actually wrote this in your article on the Mac I never know what to ask you. Like, I never know where to start Be I'm like, well, I'm not used to doing this. Right, but So the thing about Siri now is I was trying to explain this to my parents last week Like you can ask in anything Not just like, what's the weather outside? Think of it as if you had a personal assistant, I was following you all the time And you could say, oh, you know, when was that? My son sent me a text last week and it was about something and can you find it? And it'll do that And you went through a bunch of scenarios and You know, as you just said, it works surprisingly well. I was impressed with your write up how good it is already Yeah, and it's funny because it's There'll be just as many weird just little disappointing things and their typical LLM disappointments. L when you start asking it about like general Not stuff about you and your texts or something, but general world knowology things or something like that Um and you And it just kind of like gets a wrong answer or like, you know, there's all the things that people do to trip it up. How many Rs are in strawberry and stuff like that? And I never enered that one. Do you know why LOLs get that wrong consistently, partarticularly is that word? Okay, good. Yeah. I'll try and make it really, really short. so that we don't get totallyide. I more about how how bogged down we're getting here I've talked before about how LLMs operate on tokens and a tok instead of letters of the alphabet, it's tokens. they compress words into commommon strings of two, three, sometimes four characters that commonly appear together, and that's a token Right Well, so strawberry is a long enough word that it's made out of three or four tokens. Okay and LLMs don't really have any memory So when you ask how many Rs are in strawberry, it's not literally going down. the word counting them It gets messed up breaking up the separate tokens of the word, okay. All right. U the reason they work now is because so many people have asked this so much and it's been written articles and stuff like that that now it's in the training data That specific word. Yeah. That specific word and a few others, but then other ones still trip them up. And u So it's a long enough word that it's several tokens, LMs don't really count across tokens and stuff like that. The tokens are all operated on at once. They're all a big relational map. So It doesn't really it doesn't know. it's not counting. It doesn't know what. And it also doesn't know what words mean. So I gave an example of that. One of the things people have been asking is the car wasash problem You go, The car wash is one hundred yards away. Should I walk there or drive? And obviously, like LLMs were all telling people to walk because it's only a hundred yards, right? Yeah donon't take your car Of course, you need your car if you're going to wash it Siri nailed that one and tells you it says, off course, you're going to need your car to wash it But again, that stuff is in the training data now. and it's messed up other kind of obvious thingsings like that logic trap issues no person would get it wrong The one that confused me or surprised me that I got wrong was you asked How many days of the week have the letter D in it? which is, you know, that's not a that's not a question that you would normally ask someone, but It seems odd that it wouldn't be able to parse that, but it got it wrong. Yeah, again, that's that comes into the like, they're all made out of separate tokens and they they can't count and they get confused between them. And it's weird because A lot of LLMs will take when you take a closer look at it So you say it'll give you an like four and you go like They all And then I asked Ciri, are you sure? And he goes, Oh, you're right day every day of the week has the word day in it. So they all have the word the letter D and it's Ver confounding that it can get it right when you say like, are you sure So the fact that it got it wrong confidently the first time But it is capable of getting it right. That's just such a common problem with these LLMs So it got it wrong the first time and said there's only one, which is Wednesday Pus, it was looking at the first part of the word and not day. Great like and Wednesday if you take day up. Now, you're thinking about of a person, like a person. It was looking at all the days of the week Yeah Broken up into the tokens that the LLM is designed to use. So broken up into the chunks of several letters that that they're designed to use. and it processes them all in parallel once with a probability met Sos they're not looking at letters and counting them like a person would. It's a big probability map operating on pieces of words together all at the same time and it just if that question's not the training data, it messes it up. And youll get people have got different answers sometimes it says four. sometometimes it says one. sometes it's so Do you have any idea why when you asked it Like you literally said, I'm looking at it right now. You said, are you sure? That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Now do you have any understanding as to why he was able to closer at it? Like did it I think does it change the way it approaches those blocks? Yeah, I think I think most of the LLMs are sort of trained that when you ask it confirm itself or something like that that it It really How can I It takes the answer it is going to give you and then it confirms it. Bye going backwards, like by saying byy checking its own work instead of just ount inststead of just like running its processing and saying one It then says You know goes backward and goes like, is there one day of the week with with a D in it and it goes through each one and stuff. And that burns a lot of tokens and processing time, and that's why they don't do it the first time around Does it take longer when as goodckars I mean, not as far as a human would notice, it probably takes a hundred million more cycles, which is or whatever, you know, which is happens in a fraction of a second on the server But so so and it's Developer beta one and there have been other weirdnesses where it'll think for a minute and make the little sound and then say something went wrong or not even just disappear But that's beta stuff What I was really impressed about is the stuff you could ask it makes it an assistant for your phone not how many days of the week has DN it, but like for example I had been planning to do something out with my wife for her birthday and texting back and forth with a couple of her friends, kicking around some ideas times, all that stuff. I was able to ask it I was able to literally say, What do I have planned for my wife for her birthday? And right, not say who my wife was when her birthday was, any of that stuff and it went through my texts and everything and it just spat out. You're planning to go here at this time and do this with these friends and everything. And I was like, holy crap, that is actually correct. Yeah. And that is right. And you know, it knew through the context of all the things in my contacts and my messages and all the other stuff like You know, where we're going where we landed on after all the You know, back and forth and corrections and the time and who my wife is and all, you know, what her birthday is and all that other kind of stuff. So that was that was like super impressive. I was just like That is exactly what I want to know Our roll battery is the same. It's like asking if all soccer players are the same. Take Messi, the most decorated player ever. Is there any other player who has achieved that? No, just him. Now take Duracl. 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I actually think probably spouse or wife is actually listed in contact for her But it has gotten other things based on context. like it thosees I don't have niece for my niece, but it just ros from my communications with my sister, her mother, like to my nieces like her daughter is like it's has has gotten those bright before It did a thing where Myife if I go to get lunch or something and I get sandwiches and I ask my wife to text me what she wants. I asked it What did my wife get last time we had sandwiches? And I didn't say where we went to get sandwiches or anything like that. And it kind of got it right. And it kind of got it wrong in an interesting way But last time she actually I went and got sandwiches and she texted me her order There was no leading question from me in a text, Hey, I'm going to hear what I want or anything like that. It was just a sandwich order It was just like, get me this with this. U So it didn't list that, but it listed the previous time. when I went to Panera, like Yeah becausecause there was context. there was like, hey, what's your pinerral? It did. It told me what the thing was So It can it's not psychic It's like this weird memory of everything you've done on your phone that you can just access freely And as you use it It might be able to contextualize sandwich ingredients without a leading question and say, you know, this is what she ate. a week ago. Yeah.. I mean, that particular text message it didn't even It wasn't even clear it wasnt an order. It could have been a grocery list. It was just like you know, veggie on white with this, like out of nowhere, just out of the blue. So I wouldn't expect it to kind of get that. I wouldn't really expect it to get that I'm really curious how this will go as they get further. It does weird things. I have since I wrote that article done things like I I asked Siri with the voice bring up my last conversation with you and It said, your last conversation was this and it builds my last text message to someone. I said, no, my last conversation with you And it said, I can't do that. I don't have our last conversation. I'm like, yeah, you do. You have a whole series. And it says, I don't have an app that keeps a a list of our our conversations. I'm like, ye, you do. That's one of your main features. There's a whole S app with like all your past conversations. It just didn't seem aware. Again, early beta software, maybe maybe that changes If the index that we talked about building from your texts and your contacts and your search histories in your location histories and all that stuff If that includes your Syri history in the Syria then that's really fascinating because that makes Siri AI have a memory Hi to you Which which I mean it should, right? It should include that Well L Yeahah, weirdly, LLMs don't have a memory Yeah Um if you If you're going back and forth with Chat GPT ten times in a conversation Your eleventh question What it's really doing is it's sending all ten previous questions and answers to the LM Okay and your eleventh So that that's how it gets context. It doesn't actually remember anything. It's just the conversation gets bigger and bigger and it processes a bigger, bigger conversation all the time. And of course Siri works that way too. That's the way all these things work. But if that little but if it's sort of index onn your phone, your on device index captures your history of talking to the LLM then you kind of have that, right? Do other in a way? Do other LOMs do that like Chat GPT? I'm sure that you can access your own history Yeah Yeah, they they they do, but like there's no way they they don't build an on device index distilling that down for you Okay and They obviously aren't gonna re upload notot upload. it's on the server, but like reprocess literally your entire history of all your conversations every time you ask it anything. right That would be insane. Also the context windows aren't that big and blah, blah, blah They're offensively. When you and Siri like The theory index itself nightly and have access to that like Yeah, I mean, so once your index is built, it' it's added to Every time you send it picture do any of those things. likeike your your search index is constantly being updated. And it's quick to do little updates as you go So yeah, I think I don't know if the Si apps contents are meant to be indexed, right? But I think it would be amazing if they were. They are meant to be ephemeral. You can tell them, keep these forever, keep them for a month, keepeep them for a week. I think it goes down to a day. I think you can make it, delete them sooner if you want. Those are synced securely across the cloud and across devices, so I can open my backac. I can open the Si app and see all the stuff I ever asked on my iPhone So, you know, all those things exist and happen But if you tell if you tell Ja GD or Gemini or something like that, Hey, remember that I have a twenty fifteen Toyota Camp ight? Because you're gonna to later be asking it stuff like, where can I find se covers for my car? and then it'll know what car you have What it does when you tell it things like that is it basically J like you just like you know how AIs make summaries of large blocks of text It's doing that. It makes a summary. It keeps it in the background and that summary of all the things you've told it to remember gets esssentially uploaded and reprocessed every time you talk to the AI for anything ever And then it just decides what's relevant. And you can see this happen because It'll bring up things that aren't relevant. as though you included it Y' y'all You'll ask it where to go on vacation and it'll say You know, you should go here. It's a great drive in your twenty twenty fifteen Toyota Camry or something. and you're like, what are you talking about? Why are you bringing that up? It's because it re uploads all They don't have a memory. they basically have a hidden summary that they re upload all the time for everything and Having this index on your phone that Siri first has access to on your device kind of gives it memory in a way that other LLMs don't have, that's I find really fascinating. I think it's like a really It's really Apple's big advantage over Many of these other things is the way that it can Get it your data Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the whole That's really what we've beena why we've been waiting so long? It's because Apple wanted to keep this stuff private and encrypted and all on your phone and all devidice while still making it work like ChatyPT, but having it be seamla and it took forever Tget that, and it seems as though. the weight was worth it because it like The things that I read that you did in the screenshot, like it's incredible how knowledgeable it is of things that N knew before Yeah Join ustern did a little video about S AI and stuff. And she had a really great example where she was visiting some place or something like that. And she said Oh What are a couple souvenirs I could get that my kids would like actually gave recommendations about things their kids were into because of photos she had with her kids and texts about it and stuff like that. And she's like likeike recommended one get like a reptile thing or something like that. she's like, U, that's actually pretty spotot. That's exactly that's exactly what my kid's into Um So yeah, that's the kind of thing that LLMs just don't Be our lives are on our phones.? Like that's just like such an advantage it's such a cool. And it's kind of the thing that like the good AI will call it That you know, all the people who are against image generation and you know, I get it going on This is the kind of thing like nobody has a personal assistant unless you're a super high end celebrity. So like this is actually something that's not for one, It's not like replacing like an actual job. And two, it's making your iPhone so much more useful as a tool. There's so many times when I'll be talking to my wife or whoever I'll be like, o wit, hold on, let me go find that email. and it'll take me twenty five minutes to search that email to find. And if I can ask Siri that and it could tell me within I don't know, thirty seconds or a minute or whatever. and hold everything up and give it I think that's that's invaluable stuff I have a u I have a note in my notes app all of these things like I bake bread. so when I try and make different bread recipes and stuff if I take all these notes in there about like because I sometimes have to adjust the amount flours to fit my hands or whatever. So I just kind of take notes and I said just to test it out I said Siri, look at my notes for my basic white bread recipe and give it to me in a recipe format And it did it. It just grabbed all my notes in there and it reformatted it like a standard recipe with like the ingredients and amounts and then like steps of instructions that you would see in a recipe book And I was like, well, that That's amazing. Like anything can just search the web for a recipe. This This searched my notes and gave not Do you be based on them Can you go even further and just be like cooking and say, o, I forgot, how much flour do I need for this sourdough recipe? And like would have be able to parse all that? Yeah, I think it would. likeike I really do. Yeah. So It I could go through that recipe and say, you know, o,t convert all the amounts to metric, you know, or something would just dump it all out The other thing that I thought was really incredible is I haven't done a lot of testing with visual intelligence, but the testing I've done, it's a lot better And especially Like the check splitting thing Mmhm. Yeahah that was cool. So So you can you can pointint here thing it a check You know, as long as it's itemized And If you want to split the check, it gives you the little bubble down at the bottom. you tap and it says split the thing. But it wants to use Apple Cache for that It hops over to wallet You have to first invite somebody to split the bill with you because it's got to ask them for money or pay them money or whatever And then you choose which people had, which items and It's neat, but is work involved. ye And who uses Apple Cat? Like like I use it for my son, but that's about it. Like people use Venmo, like this or payPal, like this is not And everyone's going use Apple Cash. But I figured, hey The roots of this is being able to parse this F me see And my wife and I split grocery bills all the time, but we cut things out. She doesn't want to pay for anything that's meat. I don't want to pay for beauty products and stuff like that. That's pretty funny. So Well, yeah. So so but I just pointed it at our saaveway receipt and I said Uh, like Take off this, that and the other thing. takeake off this thing and that thing and that thing. and then take the take the rest add it up and divide by two And it just thought for a second and it did it. And I was like, wait, is this right? and I'm going through and I'm checking path and everything. I'm like, it totally nailed it. It totally, absolutely nailed this The the other day she comes back with a target receipt and Target had a separate little category for health and beauty R and then all this other stuff. And I said, take off all the health and beauty stuff and then divide the rest by two And it just absolutely did it. And I was like, well, I gott to see if this is right and it was right And I was like, this is saving me so much time. I' sitting there with my stupid calculator trying to figure out how to split grocery bills or shopping bills or whatever and stuff like that Um that's the kind of thing that's just like absolutely useful and the idea that this is private that even if it's going to use some cloud processing that They delete everything the second it was done and that individual researchers could confirm that that's true. And everything like cause I don't Google or anybody else, like hanging on to my anonymized receipt info that's got the end of my credit card information and everything else on it and the location address and everything and just holding on to that for training data for the rest of your lives. like, no, thank you But the check thing that you talkking about the other day, these are things that you're doing now just as a user, like this isn't you weren't doing that as a journalist So you find yourself Turning to Siri AI. just because Yeah, a lot of it's just sort of curiosity at this point. Like we'll just be doing something in our lives and I'll go like, o, I wonder if Siri can do that.llust try it or I'll ask it a question. I would not have asked Siri before just to see if it gives me information And it usually does and it's usually more thorough than the old I mean, we half the time we talk to Siri, we're asking it, is it okay if our dog eats this we want to give it some of our food. Can a dog have grapes? No dog canot have grapes. Be that's true. Yeah Do how to feed your dog grapes or especially raisins, but yeah I don't know how dogs survive because they eat everything It most of the things that are toxic to dogs' toxic in the way and that it gives them upset stomach. M mayaybe they'll throw up Like it's not going to like kill them. A few things are really bad though. U Anyway A lot of times it's stuff like that. A lot of times it's like really basic stuff like that. But every now and then I'm asking it something that just kind of wants to like I did with the sandwich thing if it's like, Ill what I had last time. I'm like, oh, I wonder Siri knows what you had last time And I asked it and it got it wrong because last time I had a completely contextless message that just said veggie with this like you couldn't even recognize it was a sandwich if you didn't know But it did get the previous time, right? Right Like if you said for the previous at that So after that answer, I wonder if you said, no, no, that's that's not what I remember. Can you look again? I wonder if it would find Yeah I don't know. more recent one because it would note to go chronologically. the other direction And maybe I don't know. I wonder Yeah, I mean, I had asked for the last one and right like And I just think that it was there was just no way to know that that was a sandwich order I said, what was her last sandwich order? and I just think the text she sent me was just so unknowable as a sandwich order because there was no previous text or she didn't say, I'll have a sandwich that is this or anything. Like there was just blah. so I think that was why. It would be neat if it somehow had that Much of If it could put together pieces like, well, and hey, there was this text. and after that his location became the sandwich shop. Right. Maybe I' say' was about the sandwich shop.. I wonder I wonder if it'll get there you know. Yeah. Yeah, that would be a future that would be some sort of sort of future thing that would really amazing. The other thing I thought wass cool is that the image generator is way better than you. Yeah. It still looks really AI E Like even when you draw a realistic image, which you can now do It looks kind of like last year's kind of image genen stuff from Chemical and Gemini and stuff like that. it looks but that's a million times better than the garbage that it was before. Yeah. Image playlayground was terrible Yeah Um, So there's one other thing on this so this this weather one that you I just want to talk about how it can access other apps because it can't do third party apps just yet. like it's not really working with that because the developers haven't done it yet So just talk a bit about You asked it a specific question, what What time was the temperature drop below eighty degrees? which seems to be a fairly easy thing Yes for an LOM to access and understand Yeah, it really had a hard time kind of doing that. It's certainly first it just gave me info about the highs and lows. Yeah. And it's like, well O, you understand I'm talking about the weather, but that's not what I was asking And then if I asked it again, I managed to get it to give me an answer. and it gave me a little text table of like things, but that was clearly not from the Weather app because it differed. from what the weather app was saying by like he was like a couple of degrees different and off by a couple hours. and I was like, all right, so where are you getting this? Like are you pulling this from the web And it looks like the weather app in your image, but it's But you're saying it's not Well, that was that was when it gave me the wrong answer. That was when it gave me the answer about Highs and lows. I don't think I have it in that image in the. Oh I see then o. But then after that I managed to to to say like, no, at what time today will the temperature be like be eighty degrees or something. And then it said something like, You know, it'll it'll be eighty degrees around nine o'clock and it wrote a little text table of things and it's One that was wrong, two that was not what the weather app was saying But it was just a little off. and I'm like, okay, are you getting this from the web? where on the web, what's happening. Usually If you ask it for general information, it gives you a tiny little text link tells you where it got the information All right And or it says out loud and this didn't say anything. and I'm just like, okay, I don't know where this is coming from. I don't know. And I don't know why you couldn't answer my question. irst time It's one of those things I asked Old Siri all the time, just like adding time to a timer That just doesn't seem to kind of understand good, so good. New summer arrivals are at Nordstrom Rack stores now. Get ready to save big with up to sixty percent off brands like Rag and Bone, Levi', Adidas, and Free People. 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I really understand, I really don't know. I need to find out more about this All of these the frameworks and hooks and stuff are just about doing actions within apps or if they let Siri access and index the data within those apps. Or if it can be both. and there's You know, 'causeuse right now there's sort of checkboxes in the settings,ays allows you to access this app, but it's usually not about like we're building the search and indx of all the info in this app. It's usually something simpler. So yeah, I don't know how deep that goes. It would be awesome if you use some third party notes app or something like. Yeah You know, I how many times a day would I use Siri if it could index slack Oh my go. Right? Oh, that's a good p. Yeah. Geez. yeah of greatest, you know, especially if you could associate those slack people with text messages and contacts and stuff like that, like it does the other apps. like so But if it can index, if it can only just sort of do actions in Slack, like it's fine that it could seent a message in slack, but I wanted to do that. Yeah, I wanted to index my sllack history and use it. Yeah like like what's that story Jason's working on and whenednes he writing it, you know, or's he going to file it oratever. Yeah, that' be that'd be amazing or even just be able to say like Hey did they You know, did somebody finish this thing, you know, because our slack has like an automated like when somebody turns something in, you know So just to be able to ask that in natural language instead of like looking through and opening totally scrolling through. Yeah that would save me a ton of time opening going to the Mac worldld Channel looking to see the last whatever twelve messages that I missed while I was doing something else, yeah, yeah. That's cool. yeep. well, maybe Yeah, that would be cool. I hope that that's what the way that stuff will work Yeah, I mean, that might not be immediate, but maybe over the course of the next twelve months and maybe twenty was twenty eight, you know, this stuff could obviously get get better. I mean, that's the whole point of LOMs is that they rapidly improve So we'll see Romissons Oh O friend Jason Sel made a good point in an article he wrote. that I very much agree with where he said What he really hopes is that Oh. Apple does not just consider this Si AI stuff and Apple Intelligence with its normal yearly cadence. right because The AI stuff is moving way faster than now. Like he he really hopes there's like And a twenty seven point three or twenty seven point four where they the model improves again a lot adding languages, but like it's a better model because that's how fast this stuff is moving. If You do it every if you update every year, You're ten months out of date. Right. Do you have any idea like what what Gemini model It's using it's not it's probably not the latest one But I don't think it corresponds necessarily to That's probably true. because it's it's not just Yeah, we a Gemini model with a series We do the we already bored everyone with the Gemini stuff a couple of weeks ago But y it's using Gemini, but it's not using Gemini at all Apple framework. I mean, based on the stuff that Apple publishes. They're they're doing this stuff year round And it's a different knowledge voice releasing Yeah Yeah workkings and things and yeah, so all the time. But how often is the model people have access to going to actually be like a new version of a model ' Chat GPT and Gevveni and Claude and all those other guys. I mean, those things are getting Minor new versions every couple of months and major new versions two or three times a year And that is not Apple's normal mode of operation. And for this AI stuff, it kind of needs to be I'm We'll have to. I mean, we've been we've been yelling for years that Apple needs to update its apps independent of the operating system and it still doesn't do that. that would be nice . Roman, we're running out of time and I don't want to give you like three seconds to talk, but do you have any Anything to add about your experiences on the Mac? I guess my main question would be Do you feel as a longtime Mac user that you could incorporate Siri AI into your workflow becausecause it's easy on the phone, it'sough on like a laptop So when I finally got access to Si A I you know, I launched it and I was kind of scrambling like, oh, I want it because I got it like in the afternoon ish and I wanted to Write something quickly So what I wrote is like a very quick thirty minutes of my thirty minute experience with it. It's not as deep as Jason's But I just wanted to get some first impressions out there. and I didn't know what to do because I' so used to using my computer a certain way And I have been using chat bots 've been using them in a different I've essentially been using them as kind of like an extensive more extensive web search, so to speak. R. Like for instance, if I'm watching, I'll watch like Vveritassium For example which is this scientific YouTube show. And if they they'll often say something that I have no clue what they're talking about And so I'll go to the chat bt and say, explain to me this. Okay It always up that way That's kind of the way I use chatbots as more extensive secondary research to what I'm doing. So I was kind of plexed as to how to use it when I launched it. Um, So yeah, I think it is something I have to get I'll have to get used to But as Jason pointed out, the power is and more of like your personal data. One of the things I've been meaning to do is I have this trip planned in August have it kind of like compile that data. putut it all together. So I can have it in one spot and look at it because right now it's in calendar. It's in several different emails. It's the text that my wife has been sending me because she's been planning the trip. And I haven't had a chance to do that yet because I've given up the Neil that Si AI is to our PC world folks so they can shoot a video with it But I plan to do that That's the kind of thing I think you'd be really impressed if you just ask, Siri. compomile an itinerary of my trip to I don't know where you're going. Disneyland. mil an interor of my trip to Disneyland next month? you know, including all my confirmation numbers and times and everything You would want to double check But it would be I think you'd be surprised at like what it dumped out and how useful that is. Yeah, that's I think that's where the real power is. I kind of tried to do that a little bit in my first look, but it was really basic. The one flaw that I did find is that So we have I have like like a lot of people shared calendars and things like that And the people who I share with aren't as complete in terms of pulling out the information.. So if there's holes in the information, Siri's going to see those holes and then they're not going to be able to fill it for you. So you know, there's there might be a quick jump to conclusion that Siri' not doing the job properly can't do the job if the data is not there. And I think people have to remember that and keep that in perspective. So it has to start. It has to have a good base of data to start with. and if it's not there, it's not going to be able to do that for you. You can do neat stuff like if you have, let's say, a flight on your calendar and you want to add the confirmation number to your calendar And then confirmation numbers in your email You can You could say add the confirmation number for my flight on Thursday to the calendar and it will find that flight in your email, find its confirmation number, and add it to the calendar It's it'll do that for you. And that's like a bunch of steps that's like you said That's kind of like this annoying like search find copy to another app like experience So It And that kind of thing works, that totally works right now. It's really crazy I want to be able to do like, I mean, maybe I could do it now. I never really felt. Like I'm always downloading stuff and then I'll get distracted And I'll forget where I forget where they are and I'll have to go to my recent items of can I just say like, hey, you know, Siri, can you find the last three photos that I downloaded on my Mac, open them up in Photoshop and let me edit them like you could do that, right I don't think it has the hooks to like open them in Photoshop. now. I think that that's the kind of thing we're like Ddobe has to push an update that supports the hooks for the whatever, you know, I think that requires like Adobe developer sport to do that. The other things, I think that's exactly what I can do. like the last photos I downloaded, you might not know downloaded unless you downloaded them from Siri unless Firefoxing Chrome start using supporting the right things and, you know All this stuff requires a certain amount of developer support. Sure, sure But that's the kind of stuff that I or like takeake the last five articles off my desktop that I edited and put them in my done folder. L things like that., you know, Siri on the Mac has an opportunity that is I Google's doing something with Google books, which are just more expensive Chromebooks that I think is amazing and that probably some kind of dumb patent on or something that because I want I want Apple to do this. They have an AI cursor. You can write some mode and make the cursor into an AI cursor, and it will just contextually do an AI thing depending on what you're pointing at, right? Like pointed out an image, you get AI image tools, pointed out a word, you get AI writing tools or desescription of this or I search, you know, various things. Pint it at an address you get AI mapping things, right That's a brilliant way to work If I could hold down yeah, but if I can hold down the command key and get a special Siri cursor, and it would contextually do Siri AI stuff based on what I'm pointing it at, people already understand that. P understand right clicking and context menus and stuff like that. So the idea that like, oh, now my cursor is doing the AI stuff on this, that's really I feel like that's super intuitive. And that's a great way to sort of discover how to do AI stuff on your Mac, but not have it be in your way if you don't care L if I don't care, it's not going just don't invoke the Si cursor. don't press the button. God I wish they would do that Yeah, you don't it totally I could see them adding that in MacowS Yeah ye sure. Man, I want Siri Csor on my Mac so bad. Yeah Yeah I see I can totally see him doing that. We'll have a lot more to say about SiriAI over the next couple of months and All the updates that follow Okay have any questions spepecifically for Jason or Roman who are using it, let us know Because yes, especially specific stuff you want us to try. that Yeah if you're not running the beta or whatever I'll set that a note on social media. It would be cool to like do a whole show where we just tryry requests that readers live send live whatever. should not even just start asking it , So send us stuff that you want us to, you know, if you don't have the betata, you don't want to install the betata, we understand. Let us know, because that'll be fun. This week in Apple History is up next Roman ono you So this week at Apple History on june twenty second, twenty twenty held its keyough for WWDC that WWDC is notable because it was during The Yeah. COVD pandemic and so there was no in person WWDC, there was no in person conference. It was the first virtual Yeah Yeah, a pre notote, which we thought was temporary, but it was not No But what was notable is that during that keynote, Apple announced that it was going to do a two year transition Silicon for the map it was going to drop Intel processors and it was going to start doing its own chips. Yeah, every new Mac would comeome with Apple silicon within two years Did they hit that? I forget if there was one model that was a little behind that. The Mac Pro was the last one and that arrived at WWDC two years later. I mean, they did hit it Right. The Mac Pro was kind of lame, but they did get it Yeah, and it shipped in the fall, which is two I think what it was is it was a little more than two years after the announcement, but The first Apple Silicon shipped that fall with M one. And it was within two years of that, right Yeah I think I think the Mac Pro was WW was announced at the M two Ultra was announced at WWDC. Maybe it was mayaybe you're right, Jason R' still two years from. I'm gonna do your job and find out when the Mac Pro with Apple Silicone shited It was, but it was, I think you're right, was within two years of when the and one shipped, which was that fall And S That's not support, but I think that we wanted to bring that up today because the notable thing is that this year is the first time the new operating systems do not support intntel This is right the This is Mac OS twenty seven is Apple L only It doesn't mean they're dropping support for Intel chips Uh, they'll get twentyies still get bug fix and. Security updates. Right at least a year, probably more. At least a year and most Mac apps, not not Apple's new apps because they come as part of the operating system, but like most new Mac apps will be universal binaries probably for a while. Theres There's probably not a lot of Mac apps that are just going to go Apple's looking only The writing is on the wall, but it's exactly in the time frrame that they all Promised they warned us This is going happen this fast by this point I mean, six years later, I mean, I think it's okay Yeah I have an answer Okay. M two Ulr came out june fifth, twenty twenty three. So they were three, took three years to complete the The transition. Okay So two and a half fight was No, no, well, June. it was announced in June. Right. first I'm saying right if you want to go the M one what was it October or November, October, yes, November. So from M one to no more Intel chips was two and a half years or something like that I remember impressive So after they announced the transition, they sent people like these kidits And it was like, I think it was like an A twelve Z or something that they used so people could get exactly what it was. Yeah Yeah. And everyone was like, oh, like these like this isn't that fast. And then the M one came out. everyveryone was like, holy crap. L this is so fast. it what we got the actual ship whatever three four months later, if five mis like, Yeahah, A twelve Z wasn't That's good. It they stuff They called the NNM Mac Mini and they said buildilders start building your apps. sure. People ares fine Yeah Yeah, but the M one, I remember your guys' reviews of it. You were just basically like, holy God. L it is so much faster than it was. Yeah, for for the power envelope it operates in for like it was MacBook air like right compared to the intntel chips in a MacBook area, we werere just like, this is game over. Right And they didn't even do anything. They just basically shoved it into the existing models Yeah just to basically say here, this is how fast it's going to be. Yeah, there were no changes. There was nobard was the same, the shape of the it was the the N two generation, they changed the design. So the design didn't even change. It was Just like here's the Mac Mini and the MacBook Air that we have Gutted it stuck apple silkan in there You know it is way better The other great part was the battery life Like it was just faster. It wass just like, oh, they didn't change anything about the laptop. likeike twenty hours mine and everything in the battery life is literally twice as long Yeah It's like how much fter and the battery life is twysome. You know, Tim Cook stepping down a couple of months and You know, he gets credit for Appalage and AirPods. No one really thinks about like When he took over, Apple Silicon was You know, iPhone and Nothing really. now it's everything. Yeah, and now it powers everything that they do and it kind of is like the engine that runs all of this stuff And that's all, you know, thanks to thanks to his I don't know if it was his vision, but he certainly guided it along So Kudoos him., Honestly, the when you change like a chip architecture Bak like that and you've got all of this software that people have invested in that needs to run That's really tough. Yeah. And they did an okay job when they went from powerPC to Intel, but it was a little rocky and there weren't there weren't a tenth as many customers. Now there are a billion customers and they this has been like absolutely magical. Yeah it's been insane how they kind of O Intel's X eighty six architecture and onto an AmM architecture and it's been fine, right L for so many customers, like that that is like the software teams deserve massive amounts of credit for managing all of this over the years because it's just been really impressive I mean, every year, it's like a billion devices get updated and You know, we we compain we complain about corner radiuses. like everything works really well Yeah. I mean, there's there's bugs, but like yeah, somebody I think was it Stevensonovski from Microsoft who was just like, you know, at the scale they're operating, the amount of bugs they have are it's insanely low. Like nobody's on their level. It's just that when you have like zero point zero one percent of people is still ten million people, that you're gonna hear about.. And those are the loudest. Yeah. Right. And yeah,body nobody hops ono Reddit to say like, everything's running great.ike right All right, let's move on to comments corner. Our first email, we kind of answered it during the discussion about SiriAI, but John as via email asks. Do you have any information on how much Siri AI will be able to use other third party apps and data. I see a lot of value in a personal assistance scenario. A CII, but it needs not to be limited to just Apple apps. Also, do you think the privacy aspects will in some case limit the Si AI capabilities. Yeah, short answer yes with a butt, longong answer no with an if Whatever that is. Yeah, as far as We don't know to the degree to which they'll be able to access data in other apps. We do need to find out more Oh And of course, it's up to the app developers update. But the answer the thing about privacy, I don't think privacy is really impacting how well it runs, I think it's making it much more difficult for Apple to train the next great Forang That's that's the tricky part is they're not scooping up all the data that you have and using it to train their models, which would be a huge advantage if they did it But they don't want to compromise your privacy that way. So Yeah, it's an interesting question. like if you don't use Apple Mail and a lot of people don't. How much access does Siri have by Gmail that's the, you know, if even Gmails that isn't within the Apple Apple app curious to see, you know how much it can access. What I do Oh. And it's specifically for this reason is I have my Google account added to Apple Mail But don't I never use Apple Mail. I have all the notifications turned off and it's not even on my home screen So it is getting my mail But I just use the Gmail app Okay And I don't even get notifications. So it's as if I don't have an Apple Mail app. But it is getting there and it's getting indexed and stuff Um I am really curious that Like you said, like but if but if I don't, But if I don't add Rad, what do I what do I What happens? What do I get I mean, I'm sure they're thinking, if not have thought of already And we'll have a solution for that because that would That would greatly decrease series utility. If it can only access first party apps like that in that way. like we know yout work with third party apps, but yeah, the indexing and the data being able to read everything Sean HV Eail wanted to throw in his recommendations for an Apple Watch for me Oh nice. because we talked about the Apple Watch last show. He said my Apple Watch recommendation for Roman would absolutely be the SE three Apple Watch. Pair nicely with the other items in your bedside drawer, really tie the junk together And then he adds, don't letait thisait so he's not recommending me, S he So yeah. And then he adds, don't let these cohosts bully you into buying another Apple Watch You had one, it didn't fit your lifestyle or routine. That's okay, Roman. No it totally is, listen. I'm showing my wrist. I forget to wear my Ale watchatch like like like three times a week So Your life is perfectly fed with that one I just think it's funny that Roman Al says he might buy one. Ies I Well, the thing is, so Jason wrote about it this morning. He wrote about a renewed watch Yes. Ultra two. And I was like, o That's a nice b. Yeah, it's like three hundred bucks or so a little over three hundred dollars You know, it's Amazon it's Amazon and you know, he's there's a lot of caveats there, but If you don't wantan to spend eight hundred bucks or, well, they're on sele for six hundred fifty, but even that' that's pricey But you know, three hundred, ultra two, you still get OS twenty seven, you But you know, I totally get it. theseese things are expensive, you know, like Like oh, it's only two hundred ninet nineents.s like that's three hundred dollars. Like that's not exactly throwaway money, you know, R Had I seen this on Sunday on Father's Day, I would have been, Oh, that's a nice present for myself. B Father's Day is a condom coming gone, I'm like, yeah, tempted, but Our final email comes from Evan R R. I keep seeing theO IOS twenty seven apps. All having landscappe now, I feel like this what we all think might be for the upcoming folding phone But also feel like it's more four for the fabled Pod homepod with a screen, I imagine that will have the same aspect ratio. But that's the that's the guess is that like the homeome pad or whatever they call it and then the defalding phone. The fact that almost every apple now has a wide a landscape view again after getting rid of them ten years ago Do it Jason, you can just turn your phone and it just does it like it's no. Yeah, for most of them. things like some things like Apple Music and podcasts and stuff, most of the app only has the vertical view. justust the now playing screen has it? Okay. Horizontal view. think that' temporary think they're going Yeah Yeah. almost everything you just turn your phone. I did a little video on it. There's a little video on our social video shorts channels where you can I just show turning several apps and Even the even the whatood he caught the TV remote, even TV remote So know and utility things like Apple watchatch app like has a Landscape you. So but the home screen does itt because they were the strict this night Like the Phone seven plus error, I forget when it was. Yeah where you could use your phone landscape completely and then then just took it away That's not interesting's not back yet Yeah, we'll be talking about the folding phone. I don't know about next week Al closer to September when we get close to what we expect them to do. Yeah So any questions you have about folding stuff, send them over because we'll be offering our thoughts. There's a lot of surprisingly a lot of information out there already about it you know, there's not going to be a ton of surprises Um, there's still a lot of It it's probably the most interesting. All right, forget it. I'm getting off on a tangent. We'll talk about it at a future show I haveven ant answered to something from before about the Si AI stuff. They do have a thing in the new sera called App Entity. Okay are ways that developers can like so app intense is actctions you can asser you could perform within your app play music or whver type entntity is data in your app that you want Siri to have access to Okay. and spotlight search, right? I would they them. But you have to Update your app, you have to define these app entities. They are you know, you have to name them and define what what they are are these strings or are these, you know kind of property? is it a string? Is it a double integer? is it a boolean yes or no thing, whatever, right? So it's not, I don't know if it's going to necessarily be appropriate for the kind of thing like a all my slack messages or if it's just for things like I have a recipe app and they're going and you can you put all your data types for like a recipe or something. But there is something they're building in there to let Siri get at data in your app. if you build your app to define Here's what data I want to be available to Siri what it is. And so it's going to be a bunch of app updates that need to happen. I'm really curious. what at what A updates, we're going to see this fall when Yeah. Oh, it's twenty seven's launch and it's possible Yeah I mean, they got developers are going to want to get on board with this on day one because Yeah everyveryone's going to be trying. it's just the main thing Yeah. That's why they do this hundred fifty updates. Yeah, right. Yeahah. It'll be like a hundred updates, app updates september nineteenth, or whatever d is Um Allright, J to we done Yes, so that does it for comments cornner And that does it for this episode of the Macro Podcast, episode number nine hundred and eighty. Come on See, I told you, I didn't do the second half of my note. It's eighty seven. not it's not even one off. I'm too old. I don't mean to laugh, but it's fine. It's fine. everyone. I adite it on myself U It's episode nine hundred and eighty nine And if unless Roman left in the bloopers we We're only eleven episode away. Top ten or top top ten ten to ten Oh what am I saying Ten more Starting next week until we get to a thousand Thank you, Jason for all of your Siri AI insights Thank you And thank you Roman for smallmaller ser AI insights That's real. Oh my God Ohy w your head got cut off. If you're watching a video, Roman just did a thing where like something showed up. didid the lasers? He did the horns L his head's like floating. 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