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You name anything in the world, and I'll tell you how it's mathematical. It is the source code, geometry, the QR code for your subconscious mind. Most people have never seen this. Thoughts might actually be entirely non local like a radio tuning in the frequency. And our heart and emotional stance determines what the dial of that radio is tuning into. When you change the way you see things, the things you see will change light light itself, consonsciousness cannot perceive itself without dividing itself into mirrors, and we are those mirrors. knownow thyself Sir Rbert Edward Grant has uncovered a secret code hidden in the ancient Egyptian pyramids and Leonardo Da Vinci's greatest masterpieces, revealing a new understanding of our reality. The Eth actually goes through long seasonal cycles. We've been through the winter and the dark side, We've just moved into the age of Aquarius. That's why everything seemed so bizarre. I was facing the same challenges over and over. There was a pattern tied to numerology that was directly tied also to astrology was always good at manifesting. But I never considered the notion that maybe I'm just remembering the path that I already chose. If you start taking off the governor of your own belief system, how much more could you experience Hi I'm V Ale. and I'm Jathan Cohen, and welcome to our brereakdown Are we entering the age of Aquarius? Is something happening on this planet that is opening up endless potential creativity and the possibility for viewing the world in a way that we never have viewed it before guest today is exactly the right person to answer this question. Sir, Robert Edward Grant is our guest today. He's the host of the series codeX on Gia. and he is a polymath, an inventor, an entrepreneur, a mathematician, a philosopher. His knowledge spans every single field that you can think of And he talks about how all of these fields have a common message and a common way that we can understand consciousness, the nature of reality, and our spiritual potential This conversation touches so many different areas that Mam and I actually reflected back and thought There are so many details that we didn't get to cover that we wanted to revisit some of those sections and insert more explanation to help ground the conversation. We're gonna to cover everything from Egypt to Leonardo Da Vinci to geometry to music and the one universal message all fields contain It's a pleasure to welcome in person, Sir Robert Edward Grant to the Breakdown Break it down Thank you, Great to be here with you I have to say, it's very strange because you have jumped off of my computer screen and into our podcast studio. I've been really enjoying Codex and You know, you're in like a bllazer and just the sound of your voice is very soothing. but it's just very exciting to have you here in person so that we can have our personal our own personal time with you. I'm so welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, I'm going through a transformation, as you can see, because actually, I'm still the guy at the Blazer There's no difference. but I think all of us are going through, well, many of us are going through major transition right now And and I think it has a lot to do with spirituality, but it also has a lot to do with where The Eth is in its cycle Say more Well, I think one of the things that you might have seen in Codex as I talk about the procession of equinox And the precession of equinox is a You know, somewh' say between a twenty four thousand and a twenty six thousand year cycle And we just went through the vernal equinox which was on twenty twelve. And as we go through that, then we start to now go into the spring. So it's the notion that the earth actually goes through long seasonal cycles as well So we've been through the winter in the dark side. You've probably seen the whole television series called up Game of Thrones or they kept saying winter is coming. Winter is coming. And they're not referring to that year. It's like a long cycle of winter During this long cycle of winter, we end up in dark ages. We end up in like hibernation mode from a consciousness perspective. And then as we move into spring and summer, we move into the golden age. of where humanity goes. And that this is a backdrop that was described in a sense by Plato when he described the G year And so I think what we're now going into because we're just moved into the age of Aquarius, which is approximately a two thousand to two thousand one hundred sixty year cycle and E changes because that backdrop consciousness in this grand play, this majestic play that we're living out It has a different set change every couple thousand years. So the last two thousand years, we were in the age of Pisces, the Piscean age. And Pisces is two fish swimming opposite directions tied together by a rope And that could represent so many aspects, whether it's male and female, right? Whether it's like the opposite of yin Yang. It's like flipping around, they're going the opposite directions, or you could say it's like science and spirituality Science and spirituality were not always historically entirely separated and What we're now realizing is that it's not really that those two things are totally juxtaposed to each other, just as light and darkness are actually just two sides of the same coin Can you talk a little bit about the Age of Aquarius, right? This is something many of us know from the musical, right? And this is the dawnning of the Age of Aquarius? Actually, that's the song. I don't know if you know this but U, If you go back in time, we can actually do it for fun Go back in time to the week that you were born and then look up on Billboards chart Number one song, The week of yourour birth. It's like another type of astrology I' do it right now. Gad. shouldould do it right now? Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. So wit, what are I supposed to do? So ch your birthday, Billboard charts, just ask, you know, on Google. We was number one I don't know how to doillard Okay. I't just go doing it. Okay. just Okay. numberumber one song The week of your birth. Top song on Billboard one hundred was Fly Robin Fly What B Silver Cvention. I don't even know if I know that song. And she knows every song that's ever wr too. So you know what? I bet you if you listened to it you would know it But if you just look at the lyrics, let's read the lyrics of the lyrics. Okay, hold. All right. I' theyrics Also drive talking. I mean that's a pretty drive talkking was. D drive talking That the best of my love. That J lo. You know what Okay, so the fighting was as well. Think about it.'s really her Okay, everybody was com fighting Yeah That's right. exactly. So here's the thing Just as we have astrology Everything in the universe is all part of this gigantic symphony. And just as you have different frequencies that relate to the different planets, even the songs that showed up are related to those same frequencies And so they basically imbue and embed into your psyche What are the lyrics to fly Robin Fly? I haven't gotten them yet It seems a little hard Fly Robin Fly You voice? We haven't heard you singing before Well, I am a musician So I have knock got. Okay. I've You have them? I've got them Oh wow. I Robin fly. That I Robin Fly Literally the only lyrics to the song. A up to the sky Wait, it's fly versus. Yeah the lyrics of which are the same in every verse, which is the tedium that I am living And the lyrics are only Fly Robin fly up up to the sky I'm assuming the music must fill in all those other blanks. I gott to look up mine just try to cure your out. So look up yours Top song was Donna Sumers's Hot stuff. I mean There you go There you go. There you go. There you go. This is a fun game. Okay, sorry, we a little bit off. Now you're can look up mine. Look up mine. Okay so what's yours? May sixteenth nineteen sixty nine So the number one song is Aquarius, let the sunshine in. Which is the Wow song to a show that we were recently watching. So you feel that you were born into some aquariian. This is the dawn of the Age of Aquarius. Wow. When the moon is in the second house and the sun, you know, they've heard the word. Yeah. When the moonon is in the second house And Jupiter aligns with Mars and peace will rule the planets. and love will guide the stars. This is the dawning of the age Where he is? Yeah, you know it Before we go on, and this is one of the incredible things about Robert is that we started talking about the age of Aquarius. We started talking about What is this era that he is transforming into that we are all transforming into. and it became a conversation about music, right? And that's sort of how his brain works. And that's how all of our brains are actually designed to work So we got from the age of Aquarius to this notion of the Earth's rotation, and then it went to music. I'm gonna take us on a little journey through just a little one throughrough the age of Aquarius from an astronomy perspective. And it's important to remember astronomy and astrology are not the same thing, but where is that kind of overlap? The age of Aquarius is an astrological concept, right? But it does have astronomical basis. So it's an astrological era that is linked to the shift of the Earth's axis which is known as the procession of the equinoxes. And this is an actual thing in astonomy, but what astrology has noted is that it's a transition from Pisces to Aquarius, meaning from Pisces being dominant to Aquarius being dominant. And as we know, in astrology, there are different characteristics for all of the zodiac signs. And Jonathan, I'm wondering, can you tell us do you know arians are known for? What someone who's an aquarius is known for? It's a water sign if I Scure it in my It's the word aqua in it And water is known to be fluid, emotional. Okay That's kind of all I know actually. So that's great. The Aquarian themes are rebellion. Oh yeah Innovation Technology, community, and the unconventional. So that is this kind of era that we are moving into. That's what the age of Aquarius is. However, I do want to talk a little bit about what's actually happening because it's linked, as Robert told us to this sort of twenty four to twenty six thousand year cycle. like what the heck is that So We know that the The planet, it evvolves in its own orbit and that's how we know when it's day or when it's night is when the Earth is rotating and it's either like moon, sun, great But the Eth is also rotating around the sun. So it is spinning by itself And this is me following an elliptical pattern that you can't see, but it's in my mind's eye. So it's circling and going around the sun as well. It's like a whirling dervish where it is whirling and then also in relation to other things. What happens is three hundred sixty four in a quarter, three hundred sixty five days, that is a full year But here's the thing that's fun and special The Earth doesn't actually rotate like a perfect spinning top It rotates like a wobbling spinning top Like a drunk whirling L a drunk whirling dervish. So what happens is Sometimes the top of the Earth's axis, like when you think of the North Pole, sometimes that points to Polaris, which is a star. sometometimes it points to Vega. and you might be thinking, what That's a big difference. It's a huge difference. And each Full wobble that it takes. is between twenty four and twenty six thousand years. It's actually twenty five thousand seven hundred and seventy two years. Just a blink of an eye. Correct. So if you're wondering why Robert referenced, like, well, you know, between twenty four and twenty six thousand, that's what it is. That's the wobble of the Earth. It's not a perfect rotation. And that does indicate a different position of stars. If I'm extrapolating Yes. The point of the pole depending on the star that it's most connected to is going to feed the earth with a different energetic resonance which is going to create a different mood mentality and opportunity here on this planet. Great. So in astrology, if you break down this twenty roughly twenty six thousand year cycle of procession is what it's called. If you break it down into the twelve zodiac signs, you get different qualities as it were, and the one that we are entering into and again, this was a song in the sixties is the age of Aquarius. This is a little bit of my problem is that They've been singing about it since the sixties. It's been taking a minute to get to it most astrologers hold that the age of Pisces, that's the one before the age of Aquarius, began roughly around the year two hundred. just for Fun Look up what the world looked like in two hundred. That was the age of Pisces. At some point, we should be entering the age of Aquarius. Was it in the nineteen sixties? I don't know. If you're looking at a twenty six thousand year span The sixties wasn't very long ago. So it could have been then, it could be tomorrow, it could be next year. We're not sure. But that's the age of Aquarius. The other thing that I wanted to mention and this is from a really cool NASA link that we can include is that All of these kinds of cycles were actually determined about a century ago by a Serbian incredible scientist. He was an astronomer, He was a climatologist. He kind of did everything. And his last name was Malenkovich. And so they're called the Malenkovich cycles when you look into these things And he's one of the first who looked at the changes in eccentricity of the wobble of the Earth. So I just wanted to mention that. Another thing that's important to point out in terms of what Robert's talking about is When the collective consciousness begins to shift, and this is something Lee Harris talked about with us, Daryl Anka, when he, know talked about Bashar, This is sort of this conversation about what does it look like When existing systems fight back to an elevation of vibration, right? or a collective consciousness beginning to shift, it can look like political turmoil, institutional breakdown, the rise of authoritarian leadership, which is why a lot of people see what's going on in the world as a possible hint that the age of Aquarius is upon us. We may see increased polarization ideological extremes. So entering the age of Aquarius, you know is just one piece of sort of a larger puzzle that so many of our guests have talked about. And obviously I saw it in Robert just when he walked in because he looks so different. And as he said, he's undergoing a transformation Now that we've covered the dawnning of the Age of Aquarius, and also what a cool musical game to play. We're so curious to hear what songs were billboard number ones when you all were born. We wanted to find out from Robert kind of how he got here. He's a very interesting background and he's going to talk about it. Let's hear a little bit more about how that transformation needed to occur When did you first have an indication that you could be in touch with these kinds of things When I was a big fararmer CEO Sounds kind of funny, right? Yeah A lot of people think that astrology is just mumbo jumbo without understanding And they also think that mythology is mumbo jumbo What if I told you that those things whether they're astrological in their nature or mythological in nature, they're simply archetypal and go into Junin psychology and then you start realizing that all of these things have deeper symbolic meanings. So I had always felt like, you know, well, geez, we often say that there's no truth to astrology. and so from a You know, reductionistic scientist perspective, we can't even apply any kind of logic behind the thinking of it, but millions and billions of people follow it. every day in some way, shape or form and There must be something to it if that many people are actually following it ight And same thing with mythology You know, maybe the mythos that we're seeing and we're hearing the stories about are actually the things that we're living in our life and we just haven't done yet. because we're cycling through time in a hero's journey And that hero's journey is something that we don't really realize because we come in here into this world, we're born into a world of separation. We're born into a world where we think, okay I'm in this material world and everything is separate from me. And so I start building up my persona more and more, not through what I decide I'm going to be, but rather what I decide what I'm not going to be Because those things that bring me shame and blame and guilt and pain are the things I say, I'm not that. And then instead of me recognizing that I maybe am those things as well, I start blaming other people for being those things And that's narcissistic self projection. And then we just continue on until we become absolute narcissist by the time we're in our midlife And we have a hero bias. and we believe that we have to be existing so that you know we can only define ourselves by where the villain begins So where the villain begins is where the hero ends and vice versa I just read a quote yesterday that showed every dragon births A slayer And I think from a philosophical perspective, we start to realize that There's something more to this archetypal knowledge So I started noticing patterns in my own life, And seeing that I was facing the same challenges over and over and over again in the corporate world in my personal relationships and my friendships and everything And as I started realizing those patterns, I started noticing that there was a pattern tied to numerology, that was directly tied also to astrology, that was tied to some hidden geometric form And music is just the geometry we experience with our ears I lo how you talked about music and one of the Codex episodes, I can't remember which and it may come up, you know in a few places but this notion that That's sort of your brain's way of showing we can use both sides in this beautiful way, but that they're kind of mirror images of each other That's right. So we are living in a world of mirrors and we live at that boundary of the mirror. And that boundary is defining a conscious persona and a subconscious collective or collective unconscious. That's exactly where I believe we're living. And so instead in that context, then When you finally transcend beyond this notion that we live in a material world But actually we live in a mentalism world Because you don't experience the world as it actually is, We all experience the Earth and our experience here is as we are, not as it is. We can't separate our conditioning bias. And so we could say then in that context that maybe all of academia is some sort of hallucination. too believe that their version of objectivity is actually objective when there's no such thing as objective experience. There's only subjective experience. I've never once had an objective experience Not in science, not anywhere becausecause I can't separate And this is what happens with big pharma, you know, clinical trials They get so ensconced in believing this is what it has to be that you can create the outcomes This is like the Hawthorne effect. If you go and and weight yourself every day, the chances you'll be able to lose weight because you're micro changing, making Titrations to your own belief system that you're going lose weight because your expectation, if I'm standitting on a scale every day, I better be losing weight Or if you're fearing too much that you're going to gain weight every time you step on the scale, you'll actually gain weight too So this idea that We live in a material universe, I think is an entirely wrong supposition And I think that the Eidence is very, very much pointing to that that you can't separate your experience from your own conditioning bias When you started to have that realization as an executive, Was there a moment that you were like My journey is now over here. What was that transition No, it was funny because My career was kind of very unusual I always was like kind of I don't know. When I was born in Texas, my mother tells me the story that, you know, one kid a year in the hospital I was born in And they were not wealthy at all. They were quite poor And one kid a year is given I have a silver spoon And so I was the kid that got the silver spoon. So it shows up in the newspaper and everything. like a child born with a silver spoon, even though I was like not born with a silver spoon at all. And so I get the silver spoon and on my fiftieth birthday, my parents came and gave me the plaque with the silver spoon and everything in it in this beautiful like box and all And it happened to be exactly around the same time as well that we went to the moon. Rortedly And this was the Apollo eleven mission, right? The Apollo eleven mission. And so So it's kind of interesting because As we start to form our persona, we start to separate out even gender. So that becomes the thing that we're not. And then as we get through life and we start realizing, what got me here won't get me there And I was in a work situation that I always just had like this incredible love Every time I would fall in a pile of shhit I would end up somehow coming up better off than before I fell in the pile of shit And I could never understand it. It was like this weird thing. People would say I was like born with like a You know, I could always pull a rabbit out of my backside Always And I would take massive risks, always huge risks and then somehow It wouldn't always go exactly as I wanted, but it would always turn out for the better So no matter what the circumstance was, I was always Blessed Right? So It's like every veryer very difficult circumstance I experienced, I finally realized looking back on it that it was the best thing that ever happened to me Now was that just my attitude then create the outcomes that led to that I don't really know But what I can tell you is that I was constantly lucky. And I was also facing the same challenges over and over and over again. I couldn't understand why. And in about twenty sixteen, I had one of the companies, I was a president of Allergan Medical, which was a big pharma company U Now are going m Botox. Juerm, Lap band, Latse. Those are all my products. I launch those made them like household names and have thousands of employees And I was kind of a high flyer in my thirties And then and then I became forty, I became CEO of Baushin Lam surgical which is like another big giant corporation. and And then I left that And I wanted to learn the secret sauce of private equity And then after doing that for a few years, I realized, oh, the secret is there's no sauce's just dead And if you know how to play the debt and I became Ia a master at the financial side of things. I figured that out, but I was always an operating leader. and I love doing it. That's what I did. I would do like big turnarounds and I always had like this lucky somehow I don't know, you know, the rabbit's foot or something. I always had someort sort of that would just kind of carry around with me that always made me lucky. And And then finally, I faced a huge crisis in twenty sixteen And I thought I was out of rabbits. Like now moreere rabbits to pull. I had my own company.. No, I had my own company. I had founded it in twenty twelve. and then it got to unicorn status. It was over a billion dollars evaluation within two years of me founding the company And and then next thing I know like the one of the VCs that backed it decided to get kind of greedy because the way it works with VC worldld is that If everything goes exactly as the CEO plans The VC will make two times their money if Everything doesn't go as a CEO plans and they hit a bump in the road. And it could just be exogenous market related And then the VC makes three to five times their money And then if things really go bad with the outer market And the VC could make ten times their money. And so this is why they're called vulture capital very often because they just thenen take the equity of the founder and cram them down. Let's call it a cram down Right. And so they do a next round valuation and they have all kinds of antid dilution protections. And so as a result, the money that they put in at a billion dollar valuation, if they could push the valuation down to two hundred million do, it gets rehypothhecated to the new valuation. So if you put fifty million do in at a billion dollars, you have less than five percent of the company likeike four percent or something like that And if you could get the companies next round and you can block them from getting any other investment from other parties and make their life difficult then you could push them down to a two hundred million dollars valuation Right? Because they have no other way to get money in the company And if they're burning a lot of capital, then you've got them dead to rights. And so then the VC comes back to them and says, oK, I'm going to do this a two hundred million dollars valuation now. So my fifty million is now twenty five percent of the company This is the game So I went through one of these I don't know anyone who survived this type of thing. As a CEO, luckily I did I was able the very last second I had to raise fifty five million dollars in one day or I was going to lose all the control And one day And somehow, I pulled a rabbit out and raised fifty five million dollars in a day. Is that from one person It was forty million from one group and it was it had to be one of the current investors. Wow It was forty million from one group and it was fifteen millionars from me and my backers, right And so kind of It was like, whoa, that was a close one Because I was going to lose it all. if I didn't raise fifty five million do, I thought that's nearly, I mean, it's absolutely impossible to do that So when I did finally then I kind of was like completely freaked out because I I felt like I won, but I lost the war. I won the battle, but I lost the war because the carnage that came as a result of that, I mean, you can't believe what these VCs will do. They'll go to the people that are loyalist to you and they'll basically say, if you back us in this plan, then we'll give you like zero value stock options. and so you'll be able to make a billion dollars off of this type of thing. Look, we're all gonna do this. If we can cram down the company, we all get a better deal. And we just didn't want the CEO. So all they're really doing is just stealing the CEO's equity And so what it did is it caused me to go, why in the heck did I have because I had about a thousand employees at that time I had probably seven hundred of them had worked for me before at different companies have been absolutely loyalists and everything. but as soon as They were faced with, you know not having their own income guaranteed Th then all of a sudden, their ethics fliip to Oh, this is unethical. And whatever is expedient for them and beneficial to them becomes their moral imperative. So it just told me there's no such thing as ethics. It's complete bullshit It's only what will benefit you. And we lie to ourselves and everybody else and say, o, whatever it is that will benefit me financially or socially or reputationally is the moral imperative withithout a doubt That's what we do Look at politics for details So how did this lead to a shift for you I started realizing that everything that I thought was a fact my entire outer world on. Believing that the outer world was separate from me, and I was like trying to be the hero in this world as a you know narcissist does. And narcissism is something I believe every one of us goes through. It is not something. E people that claim to be You know, um peopleople that are empaths Some of the most narcissistic people I've ever met are the people that claim to be empaths. And they about how it influences them and impacts them. Yeah, absolutely. They're like, minarch this, minarch that. you know, and then everyone's got to be toting or all around them and make them you know it's like They're just covert narcissists They just don't realize it So there's oververt narcissists and there's covert narcissists, but there's still narcissists And and it's just like this, you know, it's like If you if and I started noticing this that the people that called out other people for being arrogant were the most arrogant people And so it's like, if you spot it, that means you got it. So I started seeing the hypocrisy in everything. I started noticing, well well, why is it that policemen choose to be cops Why is it They choose to be cops, Is it maybe that They're trying to repress the notion that they're actually wanting to be criminals I'm not saying this for everybody. But are criminals. I've seen the documentaries. Well that's why our media often is reflective of that. You know how many stories is the cop right on the edge? He gets flpped over. It's always right, right. And lawyers, you could say the same thing and judges and all these different professions are people that choose to be doctors. is like, what is the real intention? Oh I want to be Doogie Hauser or no You want to be recognized for being smart And you want to get paid a lot of money for doing that too. So there's this side of it that is I'm doing this for the patients. And so we always want to put on the white coat like the big pharma company does Right. And so they can go and sell the idea Okay, I'm going to launch a drug like provenge that cost one hundred thousand dollars per treatment for you know, prostate cancer. And I can justify that because I'm helping people So was that what was it like for you to step out of that? What did your life look like Well, that was a massive shift. So what happened was I still retained control of the company and I still remained as vice chairman of the company and I had, you know ninety percent of the voting rights in the company I left as CEO So I stepped out because I was like, wait, this is Why am I experiencing this kind of betrayal? So I ask myself the bigger, deeper question. It's like, why did I choose this? For the first time in my life, it wasn't, why did something happen to me? Because that's what the narcissist does. The narcissist is constantly deflecting And constantly it's like when Adam is in the Garden of Eden He eats the apple And God shows up was Adam, Wh whereere were you? I was hiding? Why were you hiding? Oh, because I'm naked Wh told you were naked Uh Did you eat the fruit of free and alg goodil U yeah, the woman that you gave me and commanded I should remain with her. She's the one that bitch, she gave me the fruit of the tree. Of knowodge are good and evil and I did eat. Eve, what did you do? The serpent begiled me and I did eat. So the first time it says in the Bible that Adam felt ashamed The first translation of that as shameness, right? That shame feeling was blamed instantly And that's the deflection that we all do. And that's how we build up for the first half of our life Right? The name of God is supposed to be I am that I am The first half of our life as we go through this narcissistic arc, it's, I am not that, I'm not And then when we finally realize, wait It's not it's just like the scene in the Matrix where Neo is sitting on the park bench and And the oracle says, you want a candy in and And he says, if we already know if I'm going to take a candy or not, so why even asking And she says, lookook If I didn't already know this, then I wouldn't be much of an oracle She says, but that's not the important question important question is not what you will choose, it's why you already chose what you chose And to me, that's where I started realizing Okay We're living this life, this outer world is more of a you inverse as a mirror reflection of what's inside of us that it is a universe This is another great place to jump in because one of the things that I really appreciate about Robert's perspective, he sees all parts of himself. He sees the part of himself that was the successful CEO. and I mean, these are huge companies that he's talking about. And as you know, like this is no small thing to succeed in that business. What kind of personality wouldould you say you have to have to succeed in that world I mean, it's sad and scary to say that most Personality types who succeed at the highest level of corporate America are semi ruthless Unemotional, very pragmatic and you can want to take care of people, but as he says, the incentive structure of these organizations is such that you got to take care of your own. and as soon as you're at risk, it's kind of battle on all fronts. Well, and what he talks about is, you know, we hear this word narcissism and it's such like a buzzword for us, right? And it's on social media and he's a narcissist and she's a narcissist What he talks about is that everyone has to go through that sort of phase and the world that he came from, that business world It's a real kind of shadow side. And as he's going to talk about, you know, when we think about Young in psychology and Young was obviously a student of Freud, right and extrapolated and did a lot of different things than Freud did. One of the main things that Yungieian psychology gave us is parts work, shadow work What are the darkest parts of ourselves? And what's the opposite? darkest parts of oursel and how can we find it and be that person? So I'm so excited that Robert can speak to kind of literally both sides of it and also give us a bit of a guideline into what shadow integration looks like and how the things that he saw about himself became the impetus for transforming into something truly magnificent So what was the message that you were able to glean about yourself that my life's journey and I started noticing the pattern that I had experienced over and over and over again with increasing intensity was to experience betrayal Now why did I choose to experience betrayal because I really came here to learn unconditional love So what's the opposite of unconditional love trail. Come to this place to experience limitation for source creator. That's what I believe What's the one thing that God cannot experience in his or her omnipiscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence It's the one thing that it cannot experience without us and it also cannot experience the ability to see itself. without some form of mirror and we are those mirrors. And I can't see itself without the aid of a mirror A light can't light itself, a fire can't burn itself, a knife can't cut itself. Likewise, consciousness cannot perceive itself without dividing itself into mirrors, and we are those mirrors We each have a job in that process Our job is to be the most unique mirror we can be and stop trying to be somebody else and realize that you are everything else That's when the arc of narcissism ends because you realize Wait. I'm doing this for myself. The universe didn't happen to me. It's happening for and through me And I chose this And why did I choose it? Well because I wanted to learn unconditional love. And the only way to learn unconditional love and to absolutely experience unconditional love, is to fully accept It's opposite Because until I've learned how to fully accept trail that it exists I haven't yet learned unconditional love So what have the past ten years kind of shown you on this journey? It's shown me the most beautiful thing that that like The most viable asset to the entire universe is our individuality. Every single one of us. And so we go through different stages. We think that our job is to be a hero. And we have this in the matrix, right, we have this bias to believe that we should be a hero And with that her on us means we have to identify villains And so That means that like let's say, for example, We don't realize that everything we judge is actually what we'll attract would A attract everything you judge until you no longer judge what you're attracted So let's say you pick your thing. It could be deforestation. So you want to stop deforestation because that's your hero mission So who's the villain? The villain are the big deforestation companies So you're going to stand in front of the bulldozer and stop it and do the selfie and show everybody that you're being a hero to stop The villain of deforestation Didn't I just say that you attract everything you judge until you no longer judge what you attract So what then happens? If that's true. then you end up liivving in a world that's literally surrounded by deforestation You're creating it And you don't even realize it I think one of the things that would be helpful, you, for us to kind of give people a grounding when you sort of approach any sort of problem, you're approaching it from a variety of angles. Can you talk about being a polymath and sort of what that means and also historically, what are some examples we can look to So polymathy is just You know, having many learnings and math The original word mathematics did not mean the study of quantity or the science of quantity does today. It was Aristotle who decided to narrow the definition of the word mathematics to that terminology He was more like a botanist who would like to make classifications. And so he wanted to narrow it down, but the original name mathematics was all learning Mathematics is like a language of learning And it's the Penning all things have. There's nothing. You could name anything in the world. And I'll tell you how it's mathematical and you just maybe didn't perceive it as such Everything is, it is the source code And So the polymaths often started off as mathematicians and geometers becausecause there's something with geometry I like to think of it as a QR code for your subconscious mind You look at this geometric form, it's kind of like, you know putting your phone with a camera on top of a QR code. It takes you to a different URL address And what's happening when you look at geometry is your subconscious mind is going to a different URL address to a different website that's called Aquarian OS Think of it like this, it starts to then download to you at a subconscious level. You're not even aware of it. a whole new ennvironment and a whole new outer world that subtly changes as you change As you change, the world around you starts to change So each polymath was realizing this path of the hero's journey, which is the Joseph Campbell story, you know more than ten thousand stories throughout human history told over campfires and everything people would come together and they would talk about, you know the same archetypal story that we see every day on television and in film and in books And so what I started realizing was that Wow, what we think the outer world is is not actually what the outer world is Maybe it's just a backdrop for us to experience this separation to go through our own hero's journey and that each one of us has a hero's journey that we're basically living out And this is very much what, you know, Carl Jung would say or Maslow would also say And then to be able to learn how to transcend those lower level desires and take it up to the higher point you know, from the lower body up into the higher points of the body in the crown That would then lead you to a transcendence where you would no longer perceive the world as dualistic And when you realize that, and you start realizing that everything I thought was a fact is actually just a facet of a larger prism of truth. prism I wasn't aware of because I didn't understand that there was even a larger prism perceive And that's the stage where you go from narcissism. Narcissism is the belief that only your perspective is real and that everyone else is delusional A r There is a transcendence above that. So you can go to the stage of and this is the first door we have to go to. is you have to realize that there is no objective truth. There's only a subjective truth because we all experience it subjectively So Does that mean that There's no discernment. No, it does not. And are there different pathways to get you places without having to have as much suffering Yes And the best way I can describe that is a mathematical way. So One of the things I've spent a lot of time working on is because I work in cryptography as well is on factorization So prime factorization. So you probably know that the foundation of all Encryption today is based on factorization with the exception of the quantum protocols And so like if I said to you, Your bank account right now is the number thirty five And the private keys are five and seven Now They can publish thirty five And that would be if you just took that number and made it much, much, much, much larger. actually exactly how encryption works. And the reason why this works is if I said, well, okay, what are the two factors of thirty five You haveven it memorized You say five and seven, That's easy But if I said, okay, let's make your public key encryption, You know, twelve thousand one hundred and ninety three, one are the two factors of that. And it's going to take you longer. through trial and error to find out that it's eighty nine and one hundred and thirty seven And then you keep expanding that number. And each time you expand ites t times ten times harder. You get a number with six hundred digits, the amount of time computationally would take for you to find the two factors of that number. And there's only one needle in the haystack that creates a perfect square only , you know, answer to that is going to take three hundred trillion years to fund. R Unless there's a geometric method that uses resonance to find it, right, which is one of the things that I have worked on and thenen you realize, okay So there's infinite ways to get to the number four I could multiply An infinite number of numbers to get to the number four. But there's only one way to get there through a perfect square. in the real plane And that's two times two evenven though everyone can have a different pathway to their truth. There's one most resonant truth There's one that is has the highest resonance. It doesn't mean that it's the only truth It just means it has the highest residence and the the least amount of impediment to the path of getting there and it's the fastest as well. So this is where I started realizing, okay The transcendence of perspective And usually the distance between the two factors is what defines How long it takes to find that number So it's kind of like, how long does it take for two countries that have very, very different backgrounds come to resolution on a topic And the truth will always just as sake Shakespeare says, right? The truth shall be found in the center But the problem is if you don't know the distance between these two numbers thenen how do you find the distance How do you find the center point with no distance It seems also that a lot of what this kind of thinking is doing is taking the literal and expanding it out, not just to the conceptual, but kind of to a spiritual level. Y, right. Can you talk a little bit about mean guided geometry in particular I'm interested in and sort of what it means to have sort of a spiritual relationship with not only numbers but shapes I think it's interesting in this conversation that there's levels of reflection that are happening when you talk about God being using us as reflections of consciousness, Each system that you're talking about has its own reflection in it Yes. and you know that actually takes you back to This is why, you know, you probably heard the old Socrates statement that's probably much older than Socrates as well, which is know thyself. to simimple words that are the most difficult thing we will ever do. And I don't think it's something that ends because You know, you' omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent Consciousness, the universe is expanding at the speed of light, just as consciousness is expanding at the speed of light. It's like, wait a minute Does that mean that God continues to learn Yeah, I believe that And that why why exist unless you can actually learn all of your aspects. I mean, even Shadow consciousness is the hardest thing that we all do. right? We learn to integrate our shadow from a union perspective And Anima and Annimas and process of learning yourself and being revealed that aspect of yourself that you thought was not you and that you had deflected all along. It's a very humbling process and a very introspective and spiritual one So what what then urs for us is we have to start realizing that Wait a minute. I'm The master of my fate, I'm the captain of my soul Right. It's like one of my favorite my one of my favorite poems is by William Ernest Henley. he says Out of the night that covers me black as the pit from poull to ble poull. I thank whatever Gods may be for my unconquerable soul In the fell clutch of circumstance I have not winced nor cried aloud. Under the bloodings of chance, my head is bloodied yet unbowed Beyond this place of wrath and tears looms but the horror of the shade, and yet, The menace of the years finds and sh'all find me unafraid. It matters not how straight the gate, how charged with punishments the scroll I am the master of my fate. I am the captain of my soul When we're in our most narcissistic state in a way The fulcrum of that battle Of Being the belief that wait, the world is happening to me. I have to fight and be the hero and win and vanquish the villain without realizing that you are the villain E one of us is and I I do not fear at all people that have darkness because all of us have darkness, I'm only afraid of people that believe they have none. So this is the realization of what the awakening truly is It's realizing the aspects of the self that you have put away in your journey up until the ordeal And then it starts to accumulate back into you and that's when you're coming back to the at oneent That's your attonement And then you return with the Eixir. The Elixir is just memory of who you were all along I need to stop here because there's so much dense intense information that Robert just talked about and this notion of us needing to to have mirrors, to have opposite sides. this notion that God is learning. I mean, it's such a mystical concept and I love how he's combining it with acticality, right? A light can't light itself A knife can't cut itself. The way we talk about it, it's like you can't see light if you don't have dark, right? You need kind of those sides. But he takes it to the spiritual level of God creating all these different facets because the only thing God cannot do by God'sself is perceive God'sselff. Does that make sense Yes and There's something core in all of his research and the way that he ties ideas together, which is that Every part of our existence is a set of reflective patterns So when he's talking about sacred geometry and finding that sacred geometry and thinking about how the earth rotates and thinking about of the solar system were connected to It's all these reflective patterns as we are a reflective pattern for the existence of God to know itself Nature is a reflective pattern of our science and our medicine. And so he just goes deeper and deeper and deeper. It's a series of Russian nesting dolls where you just open the next layer and the next layer and the next layer and you see that it's actually all the same. Well, so like what I thought of was fractals, you know, I thought of fractal patterns which occur in nature and also psychedelic stickers that you wantna put on your computer and your water bottle. But this notion that Everything is repeating in some way. and it's kind of like the more you zoom out, the less different we are, right? I mean, like I know that's like what you tell a five year old, right or a ten year old that notion that there's so many repeating patterns and that we're so focused on divisiveness. We're so focused on borders and territory and identity and immigration and all these super important things. But like from this you know thirty thousand foot or thirty thousand light year you know away view That's all It's all similar, and that's what sort of our human experience is. And whether you believe in God or something mystical or kind of some other kind of observer, that's the only thing that an observer cannot do by itself is observe itself. and that's sort of what we're here for. Robert's going to get into more about some of this complexity and all this beautiful intricacy. And we're also going to get into a conversation about brain as an antenna. and not hard drive storage, which as a neuroscientist, I love so much because my entire twelve years of study were about, what does it do? Where is it? Can I dissect it? Did I dissect it wrong? The answer was always yes. But like what's the location of the function of the thing? And what he's going to talk about is brain and thoughts, those are not easy to encapsulate in the way that anatomical structures are. and there's a reason for that and a larger purpose. So let's get back into the conversation You know, this notion that we don't invent anything We're simply re remembering. That's right. Yeah, can you talk a little bit about that? Oh, one hundred percent, you know, it it's It's funny because in the term of polymathy The way I think of it is like it's many learnings, right? and many learnings You start recognizing, wait, if I take applied mathematics, applied mathematics becomes geometry Applied geometry becomes physics. And applied physics becomes chemistry And applied chemistry is biology And applied biology is psychology, and applied psychology is sociology, and applied sociology is philosophy And applied philosophy is mathematics Yet we teach them all as totally separate, distinct discipline areas within the sciences and We look at it. And we say, oh, you know, a psychologist doesn't know anything about science That's not true in the ancient sense. In the ancient sense to know yourself, You had to go on this path turn on the brain You got the picture of the brain right over here. And the brain is more like an antenna than it is a You know, it's antenna and a radio receiver than it is a hard drive storage unit. We don't even know where thoughts reside We think that they're happening inside You know, the synaptic junction inside of our brain when this is, you know, having the light bulb go off, but actually There's no evidence of that. the thoughts might actually be entirely non local. And that's just like a radio tuning in to that frequency. And that's what I believe. I believe that we have brains that are radio receivers and that our heart and emotional stance and emotional position and state determines what you know, the dial of that radio is basically tuning into Let's talk about that notion of the radio receiver, because we've heard it a few times and we've explored that with some past guests, some physicists who are trying to build a system of consciousness and an explanation of how it all works. one piece of evidence that is curious and sparks a lot of interest is this idea of different ideas, especially in ancient times, popping up in different traditions all over the world And there' very little way that those societies could have communicated with each other, but there are links across all these different cultures point to is unclear, but there are these similarities and some people are looking at those to say What does it mean now? Where are we now? you know, Because at the beginning of the episode, you talk a lot about like The evolution of Earth and a lot of people are looking around being like, how do I know myself How do I ground myself into what's happening right now so that I can have a narrative of This is all part of a process that I am a part of and that I feel connected to and that it makes sense. You know, how would you approach that big idea First of all, the language of the universe is math and geometry. It absolutely is. And what you might not realize is that every aspect of your life is determined by that mathematics and geometry. But we're not taught mathematics in that sense. Again, we narrowed it to the study of quantity or the science of quantity when actually that's not what it is at all. It's everything, it's resonance. So all music is based on right triangle relationships that are called musical intervals that are based on Pythagorean style triples in many cases, right? O a three hundred fourty five triangle is giving birth to pretty much the entire musical scale through its own transforms A five, twelve, thirteen triangle. these are Pythagorean triples That is actually the foundational basis from a physics perspective. I'm finding is actually the thing that connects the entire universe together There's not one area or branch of science that is not impacted by it I don't know a single one And I can prove that to anyone And so we keep looking for this mythical shape that's going to be the shape that is the universe. it's actually just right triangles Right Tangles is the one shape that can project up even into higher dimensions. And that's what we didn't realize. And that's why I wrote a paper in December regarding it's called the Grant prorojection Theorem. you can find it on my website, but this idea that Geometry is the foundation connects all of science and all of art It's not just science, it's art, it's dance. It's literally everything and and consciousness as well That is, I think where things are definitely going. And even the scientific in the physics world recognizes this. There's a lot more traction around geometry. as the underlying connection between everything than there ever has been before So I think that's really what it is. It's And seeing that geometry in philosophy, seeing that geometry in politics, seeing that geometry that there is a trruth resonance related to a geometric Notion of ratio. Then think about it, our entire experience is based on this. If I have a length of this much, what does that even mean? I don't know what that is, right I have to ascribe some value of that versus another In order to ascribe any meaning to this, I have to know what this is And then that makes the right triangle And then you've got implied, the hypotenuse is already implied. if you just connect the base of this line, the horizontal axis to the vertical axis, you're going write triangle and you already know the third side You don't need them, it's already compressed And then that can compress decompress into all higher dimensions That's what the theorem is that I was just talking about. So I think what's happening is people are starting to realize that There's a geometry of spaceet timee. There's a geometry of time space. There's a geometry of consciousness and that that connection is what we've been concealing, whether consciously or unconsciously from ourselves so that it can be found. Nothing's ever hidden so that it can never be found. Can you give us examples of where we see that, let's say in Absolutely. Well, you can find this on Gaia Um on my TV show on Guya, which is called Code X, and you've seen maybe the first and second season And and a lot of it is really centered around finding these encryptions that have been left through time bu ancient polymaths and Renaissance period polymaths who once you finally go to the stage of polymathy, what you're really doing is you're turning on the antenna through balance to get to Absolute left and right brain hemisynchronization becausecause what they realize is that the enlightenment is when you're able to balance your thinking so that You can live up to this axiom, which is when the heart thinks And the mind feels, that's when the river of wisdom flows So that means that you start realizing, wait a minute, music is the is the geometry we're experiencing with our ears. and that means geometry is the music we're experiencing You know, with our eyes And the abstraction of both of those is just arithmetic in mathematics And And then I could ascribe that too, then that means that the geometry is determining also the periodic elements. It is and that that geometry then extends to DNA, which is the foundational basis of biology, and it's a geometric structure of dodecahedrra stacked on top of each other. And then there's also icosahedron with every doecaahedron, which means that there's more DNA strands than what we think about When you start realizing this, you start realizing Wait, this is a universe of awareness. Things start comeing into your awareness when they come into your awareness So when you change the way you see things, the thing you see will change And that's exactly what we're all going through right now. That's why everything seems so like bizarre because we're all waking up to the fact that we've been the creators all along. We just forgot And now we're just remembering. It's as if we're living in a movie that's playing backwards and we've just been taught our whole lives that backwards is forwards It's already been preset We're gonna to hit another pause here because we've been using this word polymath to describe not only Sir Robert, but so many other famous and incredible minds in history. Jonathan, do you have any association to the word polymath? Like it's used colloquially, like, oh, they can do anything. They're a polymath I actuallyually hadn't heard of it until A couple years ago when someone used it, I think it was Scott Barry Kaffman used it and I was like, Oh, what is that? And then I started looking into it and then I was like I don't like it. It means too many things So a polymath is also called a polyhistor. I've never heard it called a polyhistor. It's someone who has knowledge that spans a variety of subjects These people are known to draw on very complex bodies of knowledge in order to look at specific problems. So even if the problem is very, very small, what are the larger patterns and where can we see it in other arenas? So this is what Sir Robert kind of specializes in. and in particular, this sort of integration between the right and left hemispheres, right as we kind of speak about it casually You know, when you think of the Renaissance, you think of humanism, you know, that we are limitless in our capacity for development, the notion of a Rennaissance man, right? Like this was like something to be a Rennaissance person, as I call it. someomeone who is intellectual, social, you know, active, artistic, spiritual Thats someone who can kind of speak to all things. That's typically what a polymath refers to. and that sort of is the framework that Robert is using for all of the things that we're talking about. Yeah, the thing about polymath is that like all disciplines are actually versions of the same thing, looking at it from a different angle. So mathematics, geometry, I don't know any other psychology, philosophy, the ideas is that like what are the big things? And so one of the most famous polymaths, if not the most famous. And also, you know what? I remember learning about polymaths when I learned about like Benjamin Franklin I was like, I know he was like part of the forgive me, this is not my specialties. He's like, oh, he's part of the founding of like this constitution, blah, blah but also The light bulb, but I remember being invention. No, but I remember being as a kid, I remember being like, how could he do both those things? Becauseuse when I was a kid, you picked one thing, you were miserable at it, and then you died. Like that was your life. No, differentere story. Okay. But I remember thinking, how could he do all those things? And then when I started learning about Thomas Jefferson. People think of that about you. How do you do all those things But Th these are people who were, you know, excelling and having patents and and like all these amazing things. This was the way a lot of people used to be, right? onene of the most famous and what we're going to let Sir Robert get into because this really is one of his specialties and one of the amazing aspects of CodeX. Leonardo Da Vinci What do you know about Leonardo da Vinci? It could be anything I the dude Okay, the Vitruvian man. Vitruvian man. but also like the Mona Lisa. Yeah. Sistine Chapel. Pretty good. Yep, he' pretty good. He wrote backwards. Did you know this Just for fun. He wrote in he wrote in mirror I mean, like the Kodex episode about this is amazing He for some reason, they say it was like he was writing secretly. I'm like, just hold up a mirror and then you can see it could freehand write in mirror And he likes to. It's a weird skill for a first date He was an inventor. So he wasn't just an artist. I mean, like one of the greatest artists arguably of this planet He was an inventor and he imagined things that didn't yet exist. He had fantastic drawings. He was also, you a classic, a classically trained, beautiful master artist. But his inventions, his science, his geometry, his math, it was on par with his artistic talent So H about Da Vinci's connection with Egypt never occurred to me that Leonard Da Vinci ever went to Egypt Guess what? Robert's gonna fill us in about this. And if you want more about this, one hundred percent, you have to watch these episodes on Codex. Leonard Da Vinci's connection not only to Egypt, but to the proportions of the pyramids. The secrets that were hidden in the geometry of the pyramids can be translated into the art of Da Vinci's time and possibly Truths that go back even thousands of years possibly tens of thousands of years before the Egyptians. Cannot wait for you to hear this part of our conversation with Robert So what does that look like when we, you know, some of the you know, incredible episodes that that I enjoyed, you know, was looking at Leonardo Da Vinci and a lot of his art, which like I'm putting it in quotations because we appreciate it on an aesthetic level. but you do this analysis that shows, you know, that underneath the art There is very very specific. Yeahah, there's a geometry and it relates in many cases to angles of the pyramids, like just things that I like did Da Vinci know that? Is this something that's just universal and it's sort of in the ether? or was that information that he was getting that he was communicating I think u He absolutely knew a very large percentage of it Um, what came out of this, I looked at the Vitruvian man. It's the most famous probably illustration on planet Eth, right guy arms out standing in a square in a circle and and I It felt like there was something encrypted in it because First of all You have to go back to the story of and again It can't be just the more reductionist you are in just one area, the more insular and the more nears sighted you become And it actually attrophies your brain So you don't get smarter the more you study in one area This is like a big, big a You get more specific. You get more specific, but you don't get smarter And you don't get better at analyzing and understanding patterns So because the patterns that you could start noticing are the ones that cross all of these disciplines And so those are the people that actually are moving into higher awareness, not hyper reductionists that go into hypers specialization. Our entire The entire educational system is upside down It rewards hypper specialization, which makes society more stupid and more insular and more Um Volatile and and more confrontational because then they become so recalcitrant in their own way of seeing the world that they can't see it another way And so you've basically pushed your brain into looking at one facet and calling that the fact for the world When actually it's just a facet everyveryone's truth is subjective. You know, I feel like I need to say one more thing about this It's been pointed out to me this notion of God in this sort of shape on the Sistine Chapel, you know, creating Adam and how it looks like a brain. And in the conversation that we had with him It's not that that he's trying to point out like God placed, you know, a brain on the Sistine Chapel, you know, ceiling so that we could have a. That's not what it's about. It's about that Leonardo da Vinci's intention. in his art was not just to be an artist I think that's sort of the message for all of us. You don't have to be one thing. You don't have to choose one way to look at the world. And even Da Vinci in his artistic wisdom said, this relates and this is meaningful when I think about the brain, when I think about the prefrontal cortex, right? I don't know how much he knew about the prefrontal cortex, I'm sure I could look it up somewhere, but this notion that everything touches everything This led us to a conversation about, you guessed it AI. What does a polymath think about AI? How does someone with this vast amount of information communicate what a machine that has the ability to gather even more quuantly vast amounts of information. How does he see it? And the way he describes it and we'll let him explain it is that it's the difference between a librarian and a researcher. We're going let him explain the rest and how Architect AI is his attempt to reconcile the worlds of the polymaths and AI, as we know it So I think our entire educational system is completely upside down and completely wrong in the way that it's done Waldorf Schools is probably the best example of how it could be repaired. If you're thinking about where to send your kids to school. I would send them to Waldorf schoolchools O I would home teach because this is the education system that kids get in universities today is really, really substandard because they're not being taught how to think They're being taught some root memorization thing of some narrative. It's not actually how to think to derive your own answers or even to spot the patterns. Yeah. I mean It's like we're taught in a way, you know, I was asked to make a comparison between like AI that really thinks versus AI that is just findinding a reference somewhere So it's a difference between a librarian and a true researcher Right? A true researcher has to apply his or her thinking to figure out answers to big, big problems. A lot of what LLMs are, which is large language models and AI is literally just a giant librarian. that can go and search But it can't use that searched wisdom or knowledge to apply it to any concept of wisdom in the context of its thinking So it can't come up with hypotheses. It can't come up with like higher order thought in the same ways. Now you can try to work around that by coming up with you know, what we call knowledge graphs in AI, or you can try to come up with it through something called symbolic reasoning graphs as well that you can apply to it at a higher level of cognition. As a standard LLM, You're basically dealing with a librarian They haven't necessarily read the book, but they know where to find the book. The difference is how do we educate people to the point where they can think with these references rather than be able to find those references We're gonna hit pause here on our conversation with Sir Robert Edward Grant. There is so much more in part two that you do not want to miss Was Leonardo da Vinci Pythagoras reincarnated Is the infrersasonic range actually the place where information resides in the Aosic field Robert's also going to talk about how hating other people actually isn't what we should be worried about. It's us hating ourselves that actually needs the most love and attention. He's going to talk about the legacy that he plans to leave and we're going to get really personal in part two. So make sure to tune in to part two of our conversation. also You'll learn about the significance of the number one hundred and thirty seven in a way that you never thought you would. From our breakdown to the one we hope you never have. We'll see you next time It's my Bologics breakdown. She's going to break it down for you. She's got a neuroscience PhD or two onon fiction. And now she's going to break down. it's a breakdown.