Programming Goblet Squats for Beginners

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And there's a reason so the study you're referring to is where they took athletes who were both trained for endurance and strength And they had them trained for strength in one week and then the following week for endurance and the following So it' alterninating weeks. Yeah, whichich is a very Odd or counter counterintuitive. It is. It's an uncommon way to program a work out. Any idea of the history on the theory behind that? Like whoo came up with that? U until that study. I mean Hindsight is twenty twenty, right? So we know now it's like it's logical. Okay, I can see how that makes sense. to think of that I wouldn't have thought of that. No. I think the reason why that was never because that's it's got cons to it as well. So you're referring to the study that showed that They got better muscle and strength gains and endurance gains trained that way. okay but there's some disadvantages to it. And there's a reason why people often don't train that way and it's because When we look at the studies, when we look at strength and conditioning coaches, when we look at how Training is applied when you're looking for both endurance and strength It's almost always applied to athletes Almost always. It's almost always for sport And I would say one of the big cons of that is when you're training for sport, not a good idea to take a week off from practicing your sport. And oftentimes sport involves lots of endurance So if you were to apply this approach of a strength training week and endurance week, a strength training week, it's like if you played soccer, what does that mean you play soccer every other week? That makes sense because what this doesn't take into account for is the diminished in skill. That's right. Yeah. That's one hundred percent That makes sense. And and we know we're very aware of the powerade off. Oh, yeah, I mean, you think of some of the greats Steph Curry is a shooter. I think I think he does like a thousand shots a day or jing. Yeah. Like that's part of what's made him great is that is the muscle memory of that he's him taking a half qut shot is like one of us walking, right? because he's done We're breathing. Yeah Yeahah. he's done at that high of volume. You take a week off every other week And you're just you're not going to get that nowhere near that kind of volume. Yeah, because what the study looked at was just output. right like like strength and endurance out That makes more sense to. That's right. So let's go to the first one and then we'll get back to this one, which this is more a common approach for both endurance and strength is to do them in the same workout. Okaykay? And typically it's broken up. Typically it's like your conditioning and your skill And then followed up by strength training. is typically what you'll see I think the The pros with this is it allows for like frequent practice of a skill So if I'm working out or training or practicing Five days a week Uh and I'm playing a sport The most important aspect, definitely being strong, definitely having endurance, definitely being conditioned is important But there's nothing more important than your ability to perform the skill of the sport, right? Like you can take it out of shape soccer player who's got excellent skill And then you could take someone with incredible endurance And the out of shaap soccer player is going to just is going to crush them at a soccer g I remember once years ago, I used to manage This is back when racball was real popular. you guys remember that back the gym when every gym had them in every gym. Yeah. So this is the original Hillsdale Cub before they had moved over the twenty four Fitness one And they had racetball courts And there was this one guy in there. I don't know his actual name. I don't know if this is his actual name. I don't know if you guys ever knew Montor was his name. I don't know if you ever saw. Anyway. It was this French dude, old guy And he would play everybody. And he had general fitness, but he wasn't the most fit like he was an older guy. He was probably in his late fifties And he would smoke Every young fit, high energy dude in there because he barely moved He placed the ball wherever his skill was so good. He made everybody else run around Yeah. while he sat almost in the same spot. and we used to I used to watch him and be like, man, no wonder he's not tired. He's like barely having to move Yeah. whileile he's making you run all over the and so just an example of incredible skill. You could apply this to almost any sport. you know, you could have incredible strength power you know, great physical attributes and you're not going throw baseball as far as someone knows how to throw baseball really So I think the value of doing it in the same workout is when you want to get really good particular skill when the skill is important to you, whether it's because you play sports or because you want to do the skill really well, you want to run really well. you want to swim really well, you want to bike really well, or here's the other side of it, you love practicing those things. I could see That this would be a great way You constantly reiterating that like That's right. It's always top of mind. So yeah, if you're able to apply that again, like on a more frequent level, like you're going to maintain the skill, but also kind of build. But you know, then you get into the problem of volume and totaling at once, which, you know, is there a downside. There's so many great examples of what you brought up with that guy. And I remember as a young kid with lots of energy, playaying pick up basketball. Yeah. And there was always the fat out of shape like dad. Yep, you know, goggles. Yeah ye. J couldouldn't even barely get up down the court, but scoring, passing setting screens, blocking, I mean just the fundamentals, like his skill of he probably played his whole life. Also was slimey. he didn't want to get too qu. Yeah. ye. I knew a guy just like that. And And you just it was always a head bad. It was always kind of comical to see, you know this old guy you know, play ball with you and you just in your in your head as a young kid. I'm so much better than this guy. You know what I'm saying? And just owns everybody. Yeah just But just, you know, making all the right passes, you know what I'm saying? Just a goofy looking a little layup, you know what I'm saying? But it's just like just shows someone who who has the skill of playing because he's played for thirty years. of his life, you know, even though he's not the most conditioned and in shape. Totally. This is also and I don't want to ever discredit this because I think one of the most important things we need to consider for longevity. I don't mean injury wise. I mean just consistency. is if you love something, then do that thing Like if you really love playing basketball or running or swimming. And you're like,ook, I'm doing it for fitness, but I also love it. Taking a whole week off from it might not be a good idea. evenven if it's you know, and we'll get to this point. mayaybe it's better for endurance But you love it so much like Keep doing it, Do it all the time. And then the challenge like what you said, Justin is how do we gauge The volume and the intensity. I think it's really important to understand when you're doing everything in the same workout The thing that's most important to you is where you place most of the energy. Everything else is support supporting. You have to have a priority in that. Yes. What you don't do is practice your skill and that's part of your workout, and then go beat yourself uplifting weight. Well, no the example, a great example of this is we talked about our good friend Core Sessinger. Remember when he used to train the you used to work for the Ss. and in fact, I think there was a big article about it or theynt made TV on how they those little little micro workouts, right? play like strength condition coach of here. Yeah, yeah. they would play one or two lifts. Yeah, exactly. They they would play a game and then they would still lift, but the way they were lifting was like these little fifteen minute micro micro workouts at moderate intensity. It was to support It wasn't like they're in there hitting PRs and big back squats right after a game. It was like it was designed to get these little micro That's right workouts. This is also good for someomebody who's learning a new skill. So if you're listening right now and you're like, look, I don't, you know, I'm not necessarily an athlete But I do want to learn how to run. Running is a very is a skill you're better off practicing it often uh than than taking then trying to do it every other week. And so developing a skill, this is also an advantage. Again, I'm going say again, the challenge is managing volume and intensity The mostost of the energy goes towards the scale you're trying to build with this particular scenario And secondary, big secondary is everything else. Now, if your skill is the strength training, well then the secondary will be the skill that you're trying to build. But I don't think this is necessarily the best approach for that. I think This is a really good approach for athletes, people trying to develop a skill or people who just love doing that that part of the work I. justust kind of yeah, the strength training you know, it actually complements it versus like it's more of the priority because I would probably not, you know, choose that as a protocol one hundred percent. The other option is the different days. This is pretty common, right? whereere it's like, you know, this day I run or I do my spore this day I strrength train.. this day I do my spore, this day I strreng train This allows you, in my opinion to better gauge intensity and volume. I think the intention' way better with this because now you could really focus on like that J. Yeah. This is what I'm doing all day and like you can manage yourself energy system wise is a lot more appropriate. Well this is how most college and professional athletes do stuff. Yeah, R So and the strength conditioning coach is communicating to the endurance and skill coaches and it's just like Hey, Monday, Wedesday, Friday, we're in the weight room, Tuesday, Th or the rest of the week we're doing skills training or running through plays and stuff like that. And they're communicating with each other on the volume and intensity of each of the things they're doing and like laying off that. I think that's the most important thing when you're doing different days is recognizing the level of intensity that you're applying to, the opposite things that you're going after. So for example, If Monday, your strength training and then Tuesday, you're going to do your endurance training, you also need to be very mindful of the level of intensity of those days because they're back to back. one hundred percent. We don't wantan to go all out intensity on our weight training and then go all out on our you know skills or endurance training on Tuesday, back to back like that because they're going to hinder each other they'. You gott to make your choice. You got to make your choice, which is more important. had obviously many, many times in my training career as a coach or trainer where I really learned a lot. and I would say T be more clear, I was so super wrong And I learned finally to do it the right way. And one of them was when I finally got clients that were competitive,ronman, half Ironman, Ironman, or triathletes So these were like legit athletes you know, they were in their thirties highigh volume of training Lots, I mean, crazy crazy amounts of volume. Yeah very high performing individuals. It wasn't just like they actually took it seriously. Okaykay? And then they hired me for the strength training component And their performance declined because my approach, I thought I was doing the right approach. theirir performance on their runs and their cycles and their swims would decrease because of how we applied strength training. And you were just doing too much. I probably would have was. And I thought it was like not that much. Right. I had to scale it down to the point where the average person that I trained This wasn't even up close to a race. When it got close to a race, we didn't do anything.. We just did little correctional exercise of mobility. stopped the strength training offff season, it was once a week. once a week. And it was like three lifts. You know what? now that Okaykay. so And this is how I would if I'm a coach who trains by the hour obviously still probably do this. But knowing what you know If it was your kid You would probably do more micro workout. one hundred percent. Right? One lift. Yes So that's the different so that's also the challenge too is like most coaches and trainers work by the hour and they' And so you have an athlete like you're describing right now the structures. We all learned probably the exact same way, doing it the wrong way first, realizing like, oh my God, I barely need to be lifting weights to this person. We all were hired by the hour. And so okay, logically then one day a week, I'm training this person in a full b And it's not even going to be like a crazy intense one hour or it's going to be like a full body and it's going to be kind of moderate intensity. Dude, it was three literally looked like this. It was three lifts. Yeah. long ass rest periods. moderate intensity. too the point where and this is how we got there. I remember one person particular I started with them what I thought was appropriate, which was too much And I'd have them report back to me. How do you feel on your runs and your cycles. just don't feel as good or they'd have to start to develop little nagging pain, even though I was doing things that I thought would with that kind of stuff. So I'd scale it back, scale it back, scale it back. And then finally, I scale it back so much that they would actually say to me like, I don't like are we really doing anything? And I'd say, let me know how you perform with your other training. and then they'd come back to me and say, I'm faster I'm stronger. I'm like, okay, this is the right amount. even though most of our session is me and you sitting down and me stretching you in between these long repe. Yeah. I had cyclists like this. sameame thing and it's like, yeah one day a week. like and even the strength train itself kept shrinking. amount of volume. It was like because you had to keep that feedback going. You had to keep communicating. that's how it affecting. Now you could flip this. You could be someone who says, I am way more interested in the strength and muscle. I like endurance. I want it. Right. But I'm way more interested. You just flip the script in. Yeah. So then what it looks like is three days a week of strength training, two days a week of strength training, one day a week have this high intensity kind of or challenging endurance type of training. So you just flip the script. And by the way, people tend to over overdo that, right? So what they typically do is they're they this is I think the most common mistake that we why we hear people. And also we also get this rap of like we're anti running is that we'll get a caller who really wants to body comp wants to build That's number that's their number one thing, but they also love to run And so they're always asking us like, you know, how many miles and how often and it's just like, listen run once once a week or You know, do a one mile one mile run after a workout like a very small short bout or one one like long run and that's it a week pllenty for you to kind of keep your endurance up and be okay, but focus on that. But they always want to do two, three days of these like hour long runs in with a three day a week type of muscle building routine and it's just counterproductive. Well you're gonna both are going to be hindered. You're not going to be a great runner and on top of that you're not gonna to build musc like you want to build a muscle. But one of the benefits of this kind of training is I can focus entirely in the workout on perfecting what I'm doing So I don't have any exhaustion from previous workout. I can focus on my technique with my strength training because it's just strain straining that day. So there's some benefit to it. It's also beneficial if you have a coach because you're going to have a coach who's good at one or the other. Rarely do you find a coach who's good at all of it. So you may have a running coach. Well, that's the day that I run. And then I got my person that does the strength training Well, that's when I'm meeting with them. And then we have the alternate weeks. and this is the this is the least commonly used What this is good for So alternate weeks literally looks like this. This week I'm strength training, N not doing anything else And then the follow week, I'm doing my endurance training and I'm not doing anything else. And I just continue to alternate Now what this is really good at is developing the physical attributes.. Strength and endurance, muscle and stamina. minimize muscle loss that comes from the endurance training. Gradually progressing both. That's very gradually. That's right. This is not for people who don't have the skill of running to do it. This is not for people who need to learn how to strength train This is for people like I want to be strong and I want to have endurance. I like doing both. What's the best way to apply this? I I like them both. I say this is also not for the competitive athletes. No, definitely This this is something that this is somebody who maybe a weaken warrior. mayaybe somebody who likes to do sport or stay in shape for sport U But you're not trying to progress. You're not trying to get to the collegiate level and then the professional level that you don't want to back to your skills point. skkills are so important. when you're trying to get Ied I think of like Justin for something like this. Like Justin's, he's already got the skills of a lot of different things. He does strength train Uncle Rico? No. Wh you throw this over main. You played college. You didn' just stop at high school But you know, Justin genuinely values all of them. Yes.es. Like whereas I endurance for me, it's like I do it reluctantly. Justin likes it. He also likes strength training. So he enjoys it so much. He wants both. I could see someone like Justin. It's interesting. Yeah, it totally would fit more my proam. I tend to go in spurts of endurance. So I'll do like, you know two to three months where I'm just focused on that and I'll come back to strength training as the main priority, but and two, this is another one that we didn't list, but like I've I to convince some of my clients that we're athletes or we're cyclists or we're, you know to have like two months devoted to just strength training as like an off season, like we're building the body back up. We'll get back to the endurure train. But again to, the loss of skill, we're going to have to make that up. And so it is a trade offff. You know what that brings up an interesting point to add to this discussion is what Justin is saying I don't know if I would I might do it the way Justin does it based off what because here's the thinging. he doesn't He can sacrifice not really lifting weights to Bill Muscle for a month One of the benefits that we all have is that we've been building muscle for a very long time It's very similar to what I experienced when I intentionally lost all that weight and then it's like you can get muscle back so quick. And and he has so much he has such a good base for strength that even if he decreases strength by twenty percent because he's been training endurance for a whole month, who cares? It makes more sense for somebody who's probably still on the rise of building both. I can see somebody who just loves them both and just wants to just do it for the rest of her life. I think this's a great way to manage intensity. manage volume Uh not have to not be so tricky about when I do each type of deal Yeah. I can totally get into the strength training mindset, but then hey, I miss my endurance stuff. Oh, no problem. That's next week. And I feel like this is a really good long term approach for someone who kind of wants all the attributes. They like the endurance, they like the strength. They want to minimize your attention a hybrid type individual to to feel like they're constantly in shape, but also still strong. So we've had and what's cool about this is we've had a couple callers Yeah that we've talk have called in who fell in this category. These are people that like them both. They've been working out for a while. Like look, I like both. How do I do this? I say hey experiment with this and come back to us. We've had people come back ninety days later and say it's the weirdest thing I both got stronger and got faster Yeah with my endurance. There's something to it for sure. whichich is really, really interesting. know. Anyway,aking speaking to you, Justin, I got to ask you because You're not a huge supplement taker. Yeah. But you've been taking the transcriptions of methyl and blue pretty consistently. Yeah. I I want to know your experience. I tend to go like one thing is like a focus or maybe two at the most, but like Um, With the methylen blue, I've been Very consistent with that over the last I would say, like two months So far and I found my dose and so it's like that's the other part of it for me is to really like figure out, okay, how this is affecting me How many so it's two So from ten m. Yeah, it's basically half of the cube. Oh shit, I was doing a full one. So more guys all the way do Yeah Maybe I don't know that much. I don't knowough it's interesting because I definitely know it affects people like completely different. like I had Courtney using it and she barely notices any effects and she's done like the full dust and still not much. For me, I feel it like dramatically.'s something too like my caffeine levels I can kind of taper down a bit and then I'm like pretty consistently energetic all day when I'm taking it. Yeah, Jessica's had a good experience with it. So she'lls sometimes get a like an energy crash. In the afternoon, And the problem with that is like if it's three o'clock four o'clock even, you get an energy crash. Like you can't have a lot of people just if they have caffeine at that time Yeah, it'll affect your sleep. And so she's like, what do I, you know, what do I do? So I've been giving her one or two of the little squares of the methyl in blue and you could take it at three and sleep It's not, you don't want to it right before bed, but you could definitely take it in the afternon. Yeah and not have this negative. I remember when we was was the guy's name, the owner, the founder? Oh gosh. Scott Scott Thank you. Thankk you. When Scott was on, such a great guy his stack that he he he had me taking was methyl and Blue in the daytime and then taking the to the calm and then the sleep beforeed before bed And I forgot why he said that he said methyle blue in in the morning will actually help sleep later too. Yeah, that's what he said. That was like my sleep stack. So my sleep stack included the methylene blue and it was to and I couldn't remember why why that played into that because typically it's more like mental clarity and like. Yeah, it's a bit of an upper. Right. It's not like a it's not like a pre bed but he's I forgot what he said was going on. I don't remember. he' explaining on a neurological level what was happening early on in the day to take it and then later on Well, you know what I felt the most was like I think it was because I was doing a lot more cononstant like, manual labor and stuff around the house and I'm like, you very a lot more kind of activity overall throughout the day, a lot more steps. like and then I was like when I would take the methylm boo, it was a lot more of a boost than when I wasn't, I would I would bonk heart, you know, when I wasn't Oh it b it boost upamine And so it gives you a little bit of that drive. You know, since you brought up prescriptions, I should share too because had so I'd been sharing a lot on my My Instagram stories, my sleep scores Part of why I was sharing that was that I had that's what I had done was I took Scott stack for me and was improving my sleep. And so when you saw me shharing all those great scores, that was me experimenting with that. So saw I saw great results from that. So my sleep has been really, really good and that stuff is is amazing. All right I just got to talk about something real sad It's very, very sad for my people the elect EV Ferrari Oh b. Can you pull up a picture of it? I just want Justin to look at this the ugliest thing The Ferrari, like Listen Basphemy My family, my cousins I mean, Italy is in a state of this like despair, okay First we didn't make it to the World Cups. Again, the stock dropped big time. Okay. That's it right They've always been known for beautiful cars, dude. That's like Like what are you doing? Yeah hred hired iPod guy. They hired the iPod gu It would be like the inside. It would be like an yes, this is an Apple engineer, I think. This would be like like like a famous Italian chehef making hot dog. Like what are you doing? Why would you do that? Yeah, Chef Boyrior D. Look at this car, bro. That's a Ferrari right there. You know what that looks like? an iPhone on wheels. Yeah. Look at the interior. The interior is the it's horrible. Dude, it's so ugly. It is not Ferrari. That's horrible. In fact, I think it's like a painted prius yrid Yeah, is It was designed by former Apple chief designer, Sir Johnny Ivy I Doug put put Oh he's famous. Look lookook up the interior. I want I want Justin look at the interior E everythingthing about it so my brother in law is just like, he goes he goes first we don't make it to the World Cup again, which is devastating. Yeah. He's like, and then we make this car. like what is happening to last row? It lookooks terrible. No man. No, it's like it's you okay, that one right on the right, you look at the interior. Look at that bro. That's Ferari orrible What is going on? It's horrible? Doesn' even look like a Ferrari? Yeah, not horrible. It literally looks like Apple made a car they start serving pineapple and the pizzas over there.. I mean, I've been telling you guys, I've been telling you guys last the last couple years. So obviously I follow all this stuff.'t As farari have Stared they public? Yeah yeah. st Yeah've been they've been they've been on a downward spiral for the last two two, three years now. It's been ever since they introduced all these hybrid futuristic looking cars. This is not their first one. So they had they had already released car before this that was that was all electric and then all their Oh by the way, the ugly car just saw six hundred thousand dollars. justust and throw that up. Oh six hundred thousand dollars Yeah And you don't and you have to own other Ferraris to buy it. Yeah, you know it'll it'll tank. it'll tank. all the every all the cars that have been released by Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, all the ones that see, they've been on a downward down trend for a while now I mean, a decent buy because they'll they'll turn around. It'll turn around. They already listened to so when the SF ninety came out, they had so they first started doing this about two years ago. mayaybe three now actually. Um all the steering wheel, they got rid of they got rid of the actual like push button start and well first it got rid of the key, then it became a push. and now it's just a digital screen that you touch with your finger. T it on. And nobody wants that. And then same thing with all like your like You're driving a car. You want buttons. Yeah, you want knock analog. You want analog tou L like nobody wants like I remember when I remember when Range Rover did this years back It was my biggest knock on that transition when they went through this There was there was nothing that pisses me off more when I'm trying to drive and change the AC with a digital button Yeah because you got to look at it. Yeah. you got to look at it and then you miss and you know, you're driving over a bump and you miss a little bit. It's like you want to grab a knob and just turn a knob. You don't want to have to look and so a lot of these cars made that mistake and even more so on a high performance c. It's one thing for Range Rover to do. It's a whole another thing for a You know, a sports car like a, you know, Ferrari And it's six hundred thousand dollars. Let me ask you this, Adam because I don't typically like ask your investment advice, especially not on cars. For cars, you seem to be on point Do you think that this car potentally go up in value because it's the ugliest Ferari. No definitely not.t You don't think it could happen to what it's doing what is doing bad. What it's doing and this is what I this is why I was pushing Doug so hard a while back and to get it you you want to know what he would have made on the ones I've been begging him to buy for two years now. Yeah he would have made about one hundred fifty two hundred grand on Wow. And I knew this was all coming down the pipe. And so what it's doing is everybody who is still a lover of or an enthusiast of Ferrari or Lam or any of these is all the older ones. which are no longer made are rising or skyrocketing in value. Everyone's going back to the car Nobody wants all this all this futuristic shit in their sports car. This is why a manual a manual version of any model is worth fifty to one hundred thousand more than just so two the same Ferraris. Yeah but one with stick sh. One with a stick ship is fifty grand to one hundred grand more just for being It's funny, anyy car personally know. that's like they want to a manual like transmission, like they're looking for like old features. none of this news. So what it is and I've had the opportunity to drive a lot of older stuff, newer stuff is you lose the feeling of the experience. Yeah the excitement ofs It's gotten so and there there's a point and I believe there's middle ground there. Like I I'm a big fan of like, I do like that we like traction control Yeah, ye, yeah. you get you get four hundred horsepower and a muscle car. It's dangerous. Oh, very, very. It it's, you know, you can have a six hundred seven hundred horsepower modern car, not dangerous. Right. You get a muscle car, three hundred horsepower Yeah. And you don't know what you're That's exactly That's exactly right. So there's there's certain things that I think was like modern and what's cool is like some some like the old little older Ferraris, right? You can you can I can control that, right? So I can on mine I can control fifteen degree play. it gives me. I can control fifty degree play. older older ones all off. Nothing. You what I'm saying, right? And and the newer ones is just it's like the steering is all, you don't feel like you're connected to the road. You know, it's so responsive, you know, and it's so good. that you also don't feel the road. And so it loses some of its feel and viibility. And so what it's doing So what this is doing is it so it'll sell for six hundred. And by the way, the only way they'll sell this is talking to like one of my buddies who's a dealer at Ferrari. And he's like, imagine how I have to pitch this thing. I said, you only have one pitch, which is what they already do which is, hey, listen, I know this is a piece of shit and it's going this is not a pch. It's a piece of shit and it's going to lose you three hundred thousand dollars as soon as I sell it to you. If you buy this, I guarantee I'll get you the one of five hundred specialle that comes out. So buy this to get the other one. That's exact what they already do. That's the game. is that when you're in with a dealership with that, you have to buy seven eight It's so hard to get. Yes, because there's only five hundred made of the specialle and everybody in the world wants one because that's the best sales pitch I' ever heard in my life. That's the only s. That's the only one. because anything else is full of shit andbody anybody who's an enthusiast knows like that's's going to happen. And that's how they will still sell them. They they will still sell them because they'll use it as. It's not just ugly for a Ferrari, it's ugly. Yeah. ye. A Tesla looks better than that. It does Yeah. And it's way cheaper. It does. And that's six hundred thousand dollars crazy. I think they done. I think what happened I'm so sad for. Well, I think what happened is because we're We're communicating this in real time, But these decisions were made two, three years ago when everybody told you that every car is going to be electic gonna to be electric. Yeah. All the laws were coming out saying that like all these brands had to be all electric by certain year. I mean, so there was a lot of companies that made these commitments come out with a coal powered car, Justin. just go the other direction. Every everyone you still see those guys that have converted their diesels to those diesel stacks out the back they turn it out on the crowd? d That's dude. That's so douchy What's the other extremes. How do they do that? What's coming out of that? Is it just it just mixes partartticulates? Yeah L here let me just get. I don't know how they don't get pulled over right away for You see When you see them, they're just, I mean, this is like a black cloud of smoke.ree I don't know. I look like it's running. I feel like the two are that way. super It's like the two extremes. d. Super wild though, what's happening and watching all that I' just it's funny to me to see my family and all the like people who are like, you know, like ' Ferrari is Well, you also have a lot of car enthusiasts in your family. I do. And Ferrari isressed are a lot of your family. Everybody Everybody's embarrassed. It's embarrassed is the right word. So Italian culture has so much pride in certain things. Sure. Like food Fash Well, Ferrari has to be one of the most cars. Yeah. Ferrari is it's Italy, dude. It would be it would be like a bald eagle for America. You know what I mean? Yeah It's like if bald eagles turned into pigeon or suddenly turned into a pigeon. America's gonna be crying. You know what I mean? What happened to I k we got changed it to a different bird. Yeah like, Oh, we're gonna move away from this bald eagle thing.'re be a pigeon. Majestic. Yeah Trash eating pidge. It's going to be the blue j. We're gonna be the.yway. All right, I'm going to change direction. So there's lots of articles that are floating around right now going viral on the use of GLP U, you know, like you know, Tzepotide of course some agglutide, the new one that just, they just came out with the phhase three trial Reditrue Tide which is like it's even better than the other ones in terms of like weight loss. And there's all this like speculation that's coming out. So I'll read to you guys, Bill Mar. This is my whole interview with Shen Johnson. Was all she wanted to talk to? Okay. so Bill Maar had somebody on his show that talked that where they talked about this and there's some I'm gonna to pull it up. There's some interesting things about what people are thinking that these GLPs are potentially causing. So and I would love Try trying to find my notes, hereere they are I would love your guys's speculation on this because this is there's I'll just I'll just read to you what this what this says here So this is on Bill Mar and he said that or this person that was on the show said, that CEOs are worried We're concerned about employees on Ozempic becausecause they don't they they're seeing that they're losing their motivation. They don't want to work as hard. No shit. Okay, hold on You guys already know the answer. under nourished. There's other people that are like and there's people speculating, it takes away your desire for pleasure. Yeah. So now and people are reporting. less desire for sex for sex. less desire to do things that they normally enjoyed. And they're blaming the GLP because we also see what GLP use is a lowered with it seems to have a positive impact. on habitual impulsive behaviors like smoking and drinking. I mean, they're all hedonistic, dopamine driven right responses that. Now what they're trying to connect is they're saying, okay, if it's reducing your desire for cigarettes and alcohol or heatonistic foods then maybe the fear is you're just not going to like things as much period, and you'll be more depressed or whatever. And so they're trying to connect the two. And so I think and I'll say this now, I could be wrong, but I don't think I am I don't think that's the connection Here's what's happening, everybody P people are underreading like crazy. That's it Your low calorie. I mean, just going through that process where you're like in a deficit for a long time. time You will not body building. You'll have noery, you'll be depressed and you won't want to have lose your to be I wish that maybe somebody who's like savvy can go through and make a compilation of all the conversations you guys had with me during that whole experient Yeah because I remember sharing this with you going like There's times when I would come home And I had to make a decision like Do I go get my little fifteen minute workout in orr do I help my wife and kid around the house for the next choose? How to choose Because I was so just I had no energy empathy. desire to get up and do anything. You're underfed. Yeah and it's and you're malnutrition, you're underfed. And so yeah, you lose a lot of the desire to do anything and you had to have that. Now, granted I I went through it trying to go through it the way I thought everybody else would. you know, if I were to go do it now, which I've considered this too, I've considered running it back again with my trainer brain. like Now what happens when I make myself eat protein even when I don't want to. I take a lower just the right dose of it to curb some of the appetite. likeike watch me get shredded, watch me be fine, watch all those things. like to put it's like nobody's like very few people are There's a lot of discipline you' thrown in there. In my strong opinion, because there's another study. There was a study that was published in the Lancelt of psychiatry, which found that people on GLP one GOP one had lower risks of depression, anxiety and substance use disorders and other psychiatric outcomes Over ninety five thousand people actually better They besides weight loss and stuff like that, better sleep, better mobility So they felt better. But why is it that some people are reporting or employeers are reporting or they're saying, hey, I have less desire to do everything in life. They're undernourish. They're under caloried. I'm gonna tell you this right now, donon't give anybody a GLP. putut them on nine hundred calories a day.. And at some point, probably within a month' all those same things back. They're gonna motivated to work. I really feel like having sex. Don't want to get up and help my wife around the house. D Depressed. Yes. Like, yeah. Yeah Yeah, you're under ereatating like crazy. Oh shit. Because the truth is these GOPs if If they do anything in combination with notot eating too little. And know what' like to seero probablyably improves a. You know what I'd like to see. Yeah. Okay? Because I think part of what's happening right now too is we're lumping in a huge percentage of people that have no business even taking it. Yes,es. And don't have one hundred pounds of energy stored in fact. lose fifteen pounds? Yes. Yeah. I lose fifteen pounds and I'm taking this, which you know what I'm saying? And they're taking it And so I actually think it's hurting and making those people have more negative effects than the obese person who already feels lethargic who already feels tired, who've already feels depressed, who already feels unmotivated. and now they're bringing this weight off and they're actually feeling the opposite. They're actually feeling Wow, I feel more energetic. I can do more because they've been living in that place for so long. versus the, you know, average person's like, oh, I need a shred. I want to lose a little fifteen pounds. Let me take Ozipp. crashes their appetite to nine hundred and now they're feeling the opposite. And this is a perfect example of how we skew or distort success. Why are people staying on these things if they feel so terrible. I'll tell you why, they see the scale going down The scale going down is how they're judging. how successful they are. Meanwhile Lbido's gone, low motivation, low energy, but they're like, Hey, I'm losing weight. Yeah. Let's keep going. I've seen this, I've seen this in gyms before GLPs. I've seen this so many times with people. where they're just, I'm looking at them and we're talking. I'm like, you feel I'm thinking my head like you feel terrible, but you're telling me you're successful because you keep losing weight on the scale. But I know you're losing muscle and I know you're under ereatating And that's why you'reving all these issues. and you're blaming other things. Look, I'll make another I'll use another example There Bodybuilders who are on enough hormones to make you feel libido no matter what We'll have no libido pre contest.' me. You you experienced that. Oh ye, the last Wh becausecause you're starving. Yeah, the last the last ten to fourteen days of every show. You know, I'd lose my sex drive completely and taking you know, stosteroids testosterone. Yeah. yeah. But it just but it had more to do with that. It was just I've been I'm depleted and that your body has no desire to do those things. It's trying to survive. That's right. The last thing he's doing is extracurricular activities. trying to do that. That sounds like work and you're like, I can hardly do anything.. The other part I want to address is that because you see these criticisms and I get the criticisms they're true but way they're positioning them Not one hundred percent accurate. They're like, what happens when you get off the GLP., well Well Same thing happens when you get off your statantin or you get off any of other medication. Like everything goes back Yeah to the way it was before. So now there are ways to set yourself up and I believe very strongly, we've seen this with our clients here with our coaches and trainers of setting yourself up for a higher degree of success coming off Yeah. but it is not I went on it ate less and then just went off of it because then it'll go back. I'm glad you said that because I do want to point that out because it does sound like if you've listened to the show long enough, like maybe we're We're going one direction and then then changing our mind about something like that. And I definitely have open openly said that I've definitely changed my opinion on wh what I think it's going to be a net positive. I think's going be aet negative now. ' too many people are doing it, But we've seen huge success with it with our coaches. Yes. With our coaches that have we have a lot of people that are on GLP ones that are getting coached by our trainers, but our trainers are taking them through reverse diets and they're teaching them how to do or they're asking their doctors to reduce doses if it's crashing the appetite too much And so I think with proper And then we're also teaching people to journal like why were you, you know, when you would normally go eat that thing, what were you going through? What was happened? likeike so There's where there's more work to be done than just take this GLP one and lose the weight. It's like, You are using food, if you work for somebody who is carrying five thousand hundred plus pounds overweight for a long period of time You were using food to medicate. o? And so you have to ask yourself, what was I medicating? And also when you medicate with something, it's ' it works to an extent, even though the side effects may be terrible How do I replace this? That's right. Beuse you can't just take something off. I mean, you can, but your odds of success with that are very, very low.. What do I replace this with That can help me for better, right. type to deal. You know, talking about medication and no energy so that dude. My my house got hit with the Nora virus literally O Wednesday night. So we left we all left here Wednesday Wednesday and Wednesday night. It was Max first? Yeah, Max first. He he had his last day of school on Wednesday So I'm assuming picked it up from school. Yeah No signs until literally the middle of the night. He was we were up in Reno and we're staying up with my sister And he was he was sleeping with my sister and Katrina and I were in another room And he comes walking into our room at like two in the morning or something like that. and he comes right to my side Daddy, I got bad news. And I'm like, What's wrong, buddy He's like, I threw up And I'm like, Are you okay? Yeah, I'm okay? I said Did you make it to the toilet? Not all of it. I'm like, Oh, great, so we get up to go clean up the mess and do our thing And then Katrina takes him to the other room just to check keep stay by him. and then I wake up in the morning And she's been up all night. She's like He was just vomiting? Vomiting, diarrhea, just all of. just came on like full on. Poor kid, real. Yeah, it was really it was so bad that so he couldn't hold fluid down. C couldn't hold anything. That's terrible. I mean, we couldn't we couldn't even we were trying a tablespoon. water to him And he was just I mean, you give him a little bit and then within fifteen, thirty minutes, he was thrown up again and so he couldn't So we had to take him to urgent care. Uurgent care was like Now was it because you saw dehydration symptoms in it? Well because two days had gone by and the kid or a day and a half had gone by, and he couldnt even hold a tablespoon of water down. Yeah. you know. And so we're like, this is really bad. Food's expected, but like not even be able to hold water. No no, that's that's dangerous. Yeah notot being able to hold water down and vomiting and dying that much. you know, so we're like we took him to urgent care and urgent care was like, I think you need to take him to the hospital. I think he's going to get worse And so Katrina and I were like, man, I don't want to take them off because Taking a kid who is six years old which is they're going to do is they're going to hydrate and they're going to put an IV in them. Yeah That can be traumatic as shit. Yeah the whole thing. Yeah. And and he's going Daddy I't to go hpit. I don't want to the hospit And I'm like, well, we got to drink water, dude. You gott to be able to drink water. You have to And so I'm like coaching him through it. and you see him just doing everything he can just to get it. And we would start to get some tablespoons of water in every like fifteen, twenty minutes. That's what it was And then I'm like Ting Katrina, I'm like, we're all way up here in Reno. I'm like, and and this is this is not looking good and like we're probably going to get sick in this if it's Nora virus like they the urgent care said where it's super contagious I'm like, it's going hit all of us. and then we're going to be stuck up here, away from family, away from our doctors. I'm like, we gott to get on the road and get back home. And she's like, there's no way I'm taking him like this. Like we can't even hold water for An hour. How are we going to drive four hours? And I'm like, well as soon as he gives us a window like that, we just got to go. I said And we had two cars. I'm like, well I'll always leave one car. We'll all go together. You lay in the back with him. So we were kind of go back on that. Then my sister starts going She start and I'm like Honey This is coming our way And like, what are we going to do when it's all of us and we're stuck up here And so we get on the road and you know, for sure, not what she wanted to do. Did he make it the whole way without So he did. Oh wow. He was so fatigued and drained at this point. Katrina is scared to death in the back seat because he's like he has like so little energy, he's he's passing out. And she's trying to every fifteen minutes give him a tablespoon of water because that's all we can give him. He can't drink. He drinks, he's throwing up right away. So it's like table you know, teaspoon of water, teaspoon of water And, you know, he'd fall asleep because he's just so exhausted. You're talking about so low calorie and depletion, right? And I'm like watch look in the reiar mirror as she's holding back there po guy would be out You know, And then like fifteen minutes would go by and she wants and she'd be like, Matt and shed try to get to him to talk to him and he was so out of it that he wasn't responsive So she'd be like shaking him Yeah, she's freaking me out. shouldhould we go to the hospital? I'm like honey, let' just get home. He hasn't thrown up. We're okay. We get there That night, same thing, you know, he's like so kind of out of it and seeing him that out of it. And my son doesn't cry. like he's I've told the story before. like we've always been so consistent with throwing up that He'll throw up and like talk to you. Yeah that doesn't upset him. Yeah. And so this is the first time I've seen the negative effect of that because we're so scared, but we also know he's just so chill They're like, God, is he not telling us how bad he is and he's really, really like on the edge right now And that's what Katrina's wrestling with like He's not crying, you know, he's not saying he hurts or anything's bothering him. He's just kind of out of it, you know, like because he's so fatigued So we get that night. I convince her to, you know, hang in there. Let's just, let's just make it through the night And if he's still this bad tomorrow, I say, we'll go to the hospital, but I really don't want to take him to the hospital and get an IV because I just feel like that'll be more traumatic for him then onene o'clock in the morning, she comes in the room. J just out of control vomiting. So now I got both of them. just out of control vomiting and diarrhea and the whole thing and just messed up. And I'm like, boy, we're it's only a matter of time. I mean I don't get sick, dude. I didn't get sick. I have wild No idea. I God dude Mical The only When did her symptoms get So she got it so when did he get better when she get better? So she Wednesday night it hit Uh, Thursday was the scary day. Friday morning was so Thursday night was when she want to go to the hospital. Friday morning was when I saw life come back into him. He wasn't good. still dingend. But but he was going the other direction. And so it was like positive. likeike we can hold sips of water down That was Friday morning. She's by Friday morning, she's I don't even see her. She's in the restaurant, I'm taking care of Max And and just checking on her when I like, can I get you anything? She's like, I can't hold she couldn't hold water down. She was she was going downhill fast And so that was on when I say Friday. So Saturday, she was really bad. I think that's when I text you guys. My house is disas like where it's all bad. Max is starting to Drink water a lot We're snacking on little foods. pooor guy looks like a sketon. know I'm say? He's lost so much weight at this point Katrina's full in it though. Like she's not, she can't hold water down. She but she's forcing it. She's forcing the pediollyte, She's forcing it stuff, but then right back in the bathroom Um Sunday Uh she's able to hold some water down Can't eat food yet Monday, I call a nurse to come and bring an IV to her And that was like life changing. Oh yeah, Ivy's life changing. It's re dehydrated. You know, do you see it within fifteen minutes. It's crazy when because I've now like we've done, we've talked on the show a lot about the benefits of NAD, glutathione and things like that And you know, when we've taken it, when we're healthy It's not something I really feel. But when you're sick I've now done it twice now coming off of like being from a flu and then when I was recovering from the cratum boy and getting an IV of L hydration, glutathion, NID.. So is that what they gave her? They gave her electrolyized? Yeah, they gave her they basically gave her I forget what they call that stack or whatever. Oh There's a name for it. There is.. Not the Meyer cocktail. I don't know I've ordered it for Yeah family member Yeah, it's like an IV hydration, something stack And it has B vitamins all that in it. It was the drip wasn't even finished and you could just like I could see the life come back in her. And she's like I'm hungry And she was like ready to eat and she ate her first meal and was able to hold it down. It's like She's okay now? Yeah.s she's like today was the first day she woke up. She was still on the men yesterday and then today she's like she's thank God, perfect timing, right? So he's back. He's one hundred percent by he would, I wouldn' say one hundred percent, but he's Yesterday, I was like swimming with him and we were we were doing stuff. He's low energy. A Norovirus is the worst. That's so it's Katrina and I have been together for sixteen years Obviously, we had that crazy Mexico scare where she went septic and almost died. That was the only time I'd ever seen her. So this is the second worst. This is the closest and she said that. She's like, I ask her. I'm like, How do you feel I've never seen this bad? She goes, this reminds me of Mexico. And I'm like, damn, I'm like, reallyally? Like I almost lost you in Mexico. But I have not she doesn't get sick that bad. She rarely get sick. and then even when she does get sick, it's like so mild. The last time that happened to us, ' there's a lot of stomach bugs, but norovirus is violent. Now you can throw up and you know, whatever and you throw up like a few times. Noravirus feels like two poison. Yes But like it lasts like two days Yeah. It's brutal. And the last time we had it Aurelius was an infant time, Which scared me because he's an infant. so I'm like if he gets this, that'll kill a baby Jessica got it I got it and I just remember like holding my son trying to put him to sleep, but having terrible stomach cramps and no energy and being like, And he was hard to put to sleep. So I'm like, just please go sep dude, I can'told you much longer, bro. please go to sleep. It was a brutal three. I mean that's the best way to explain it is exactly that. So our first initial thought was that he caught food poisoning. Yeah. I was like, because we were like, he's not been around's violent. Yeah. it's just like that. Yeah It' just like food pois. And just like what you said, food poisoning normally is H and heavy for twenty four hours. and then done. And then you're kind of like on the mand after that. Norav virus is a good forty eight hours. And so when we saw that it had carried over twenty four, that's what made us go to urgent care because we were like He's this is not You know, Nuro viruses are what shut down cruise ships. Yeah. ye. If that happens on a cruise ship, they're like quarantine. Shut everything now because that'll it spreads like Oh yeah. I mean, that the l n I don't think'sirborne right Pry dish. Is it not airborne? Like I think it's only through contaminated Surfaces So it's Yeah, but it lives on the surface for like seventy two hours. You gotta bleach things. Yes That's the only thing' k it. Yeah. you're probably bleaching the hell out of here. I mean so we don't understand the appeal of freaking cruise ships. can become airborne, but it's not a typical airborne, okay. Yeah, dude, I'm like I was like lysol and bleach. Lysol and bleach. I was I washed my hands. Every time I was near them or touching anything that they touched, I was I was washing my hands. I swear by this. okay? And I looked up and I went down the rabbit hole of like how and for everything all the studies that I found, There's a lot of great research around sauna use and the cold punch for imunity immune system And I've told you guys before in this podcast, there's been stints When I'm really consistent with that and there's stints when I'm not. And when I'm really consistent, I've had several times now where I'm always the first to get sick. We get in a room when you like I'm sick. It's getting guaranteed. the only time I've been able to survive those types of situations is one of. And I have not missed a sauna and cold plunge day in the like the last forty five days. Since I got that since the plunge sauna came I've been religiously every day Do that and P is just so I love it. so nice and convenient. And I'm telling you right now, I'm the only one who's been doing that And it's that's the only thing I can It is wild I would I definitely think it had an impact. It is wild though house. sometometimes you can be in a house. Like my mom was like this. We would all get sick. My mom would to get sick.'s time. So that'sormally Katrina. Yeah. Oh she's the one that She's like we could all sick. Katrina to be taking care of this, kissing on my son. and and which is why She she attempted to take care of him that way. She's kissing on him mom' say. I'm like, honey, if he's got the neurobirus. And I'm like, so I was all nervous But that's normally her. She can normally take care of all of us and not get sick. It's been so frustrating for sixteen years. I've seen like that. So to see her go down, I was scared shit less. I' my fucking got her. It's getting me. rarely you know rarely. You know rarely ever get sick? Doug. Doug. And he does, it's like twenty four hours. I think I've seen Doug sick twice, maybe, like legit sick twice. and it's like a day and Doug shows up And he's said, he's here at work. He I'm a little under the weather. I'm like, Doug, if you're a little under the weather, we're all gonna die. You know? I think you had your worst one, not that long ago Yeah, so I did' have COVID one time. Yeah that was weak for you. Yeah. And then I thought you know, one time I out of that. Yeah I think it wasn't even a virus. I think it was because I had this humidifier in my room and maybe there was some type of mold or something that gotten in there. And I woke up in the morning and I was just weak. And then, um But I didn't throw away the humidifier and like a while later I used it again and I got the same symptoms. So I just threw the thing away. You know better. Doug is, you know, Doug is Chuck Norris. Since Chuck Norris died? Doug's Chuckuck Norris. Probably The new memes are gonna to be d dude. those memes whereere he's taking care of us when we're old. That's what's gonna happen. Yeah I'm sorry to tell you, bro. Those were so good. Yeah, dude. You know, a couple of weeks ago, I went up and interviewed my mom and my uncle Oh together. Well your mom you got your mom's gen. You actually interviewed them? I interviewed that. recorded it. I have a forty five minute recorder of them Great idea, dude. My mom's ninety three. My uncle's ninety five. They're gonna both go up a year this year. they haven't had their birthdays yet. and uh They're like kids. They're like kids. so I'm hoping I have those genetics. You know what? fully independent, full mobility. They both drive. You know what? My mom's gardening all the time. And my uncle, you know what his hobby is? What? Slitting wood Wow, and ninety five. He'll drive his truck around the neighborhood, find a down tree. He'll take his chainsaw out. he'll cut it up, he'll bring it home. And he'll put it in this little wood chipper he has I'm yeah, wood splitter. splitter he has And he'll stack it up for the winner. That's his hobby. Sounds awesome.'s cool. You know, you've inspired me. I want to do something that's such a good idea that you did that. L how I'm thinking right now was thin about Katrina and I because we're sixteen years deep now Like how cool would be like every decade that we do an interview of like Our relationship, the things that we love, what are we doing right now?'s our what's our son? What's how old our son and what what's he doing right now? Just to have like every decade. You know what that's great for is your kids and your grandids? That' what mean how cool is that? I mean, I think it would be cool even for us like Yeah twenty years from now to look back like oh, remember when we were o, that's right. I remember around that time that was happening That would be And then like you said, when Max is thirty, forty years old, he can listen to his parents. I think that's great. Every decade, talk about him as a child, talk about their marriage. like you know a good idea. Yeah There's like a viral video that was like these graduating seniors that I think it was when they're in elementary school. Well that's what inspired me to do Max. Yeah And mention all those like questions that they then they played them the video once they graduated. Yes. Yeahah. That's what inspired me. So we're coming up on Max's second one for first grade now and I have I have a list of questions I ask him I'm gonna ask him every single first day of school. Yeah. And then I'm going to compile it all together.. So I'm doing that for him and that inspired me to do that superper was Yeah, it was pretty. So so bad that. Jessica has she has a Bible that she writes notes in the sides with. Yeah. She's gonna to leave that to my daughter And I think that's so wonderful You imagine that reading it and being like, wow, this is what my mom was saying during this time. I got my kids like PRs like on videos, so that's pretty good. That's aw. sometimes much. Did you record their PR's? Yeah Yeah, well over the weekend, well we had a completely different experience. actually I think you all had a better better.. Yeah, yeah But we were able to go to the gym. It was like a world gym back in the day. It was like total body. I know exactly which gym it is. Yeah.. Yeah. P does it, right? Yeah, we were there because They normally notice that I go to the gym and then they'll kind of like, hang out and like sleep in and you know, go to the pool whatever, but like they get bored and it's like This time we went, I was trying to like really Motivate them to to hang out and like let's do things you want to do. And so we're trying to do all these things like with them in mind. And I was like, I'm going to the gym. you guys come with me you want. And like Ethan has just been on this kick because he just has been learning all this weight training at school And I was like, I want to see it. I want to see what she can do. And he's like, yeah, let's go. And I was like, Yeahah, E you come along too. I didn't know if he was too young, it was like the cff was like twelve, Iess. So he was able to come with us, but Dude, it was like And I tried to be go with their curiosity. likeike where do you want to we want to learn about this machine. let's do this machine. like We started out with Bench because I knew like Ethan was familiar with that. and then didid you flex real quick? Did you show him what time? I had to at least throw, you know, three or four plates on there, but old three. Yeah That's all. Yeahah But yeah, I mean, eventually, but yeah, so you know, I was spotting him and he had really good form and so it was it's ever I had to kind of like constantly cue and it was it was just fun, dude. I was trying not to be like super trainer brain over the whole thing just like pit kind of like a machine or an area and then let's like discuss like how this works and like what's your body under position you need to be in Yeah, it was rad dude. We had a great time. And so to the point where I didn't want to like you know, have them get too sore or fatiged or anything. so we kind of stopp you know, after like forty five minutes an hour And then, you know, they wanted to come back the next day. We ended up coming back, you know, another day after that and to do just like more legs and core focus. So we kind of split it up. But yeah, D it was Rad and Everet He did like two hundred twenty five Trapar deeadlift. Ever did? Yeah, and he's just like how much does he weigh? Yeah, he's probably it was like one hundred twenty. Oh my God. Yeah, he's like one hundred twenty pounds We That's hell is strong. It's like, bro. Yeah. So potentials there. I was like, okay, well, what's great is like at least just spark something and now they like they're, okay, we want to do this more because I feel good, dad. Like that was the takeaway after we left was like, o, I feel so much better. I'm like, yeah, this is sitting around and doing nothing and you know Like I have energy and you want to like be engaged and we had better conversations. So it was rad. I can't wait to be able to do this. Wells such a cool example too because we get a lot of we get a lot of callers and people that message us about, you know, how how to introduce strength training to their kids like they need to like force it or it needs to be like, oh, you know, every day, bring them in and do this. to be a particular program. You know, it's like you're such a good example that is it's so much your part of your lifestyle and you've never made them come down and like you need to come lip with me or you're at that age now it's like They'll come to you And if they see if they see dad, that's a part of his lifestyle and he char. Not only that, but the most important thing you do with a kid is you have them develop a good relationship with it and enjoy it. Right.'s much more important you't force it down their throat and make it thing that Be you want to stick. Yeah. And that's why it's so powerful. they come to you and they ask you and they want to be a part of it and then you share with them and then it doesn't turn into this big ordeal And you know what? That's going to look different for every kid. Some kids might show interest at five years old. You know Other kids might not show interest until they get into the middle of high school. Like it's going to be different for every kid. And I think the most important thing as a parent or a father is you be consistent you be that. like you you make this part of your lifestyle and you focus on that and don't worry, like kids see what you do more than they listen to what you say totally. And so it'll happen. And I think that I think sometimes parents are like so concerned that they need to build something for these kids? It's just like know, be the this crazy structure and it's really it's like, it was a hangout. We We literally were just hanging out and just like having fun and trying things. And then it's like, it sparks more interest. And then it's like, okay, let's build on that the next time. Yeah. I don't do I don't Max is now at an age too where we don't we used to when he was really young We brought him in the garage and he'd be doing Plato, while Katrina and I worked out. Hes just he's been around it and he's I don't really talk about it, bring it up or invite him to come with me. It's like at one point He knows that mom and dad, that's a part of their life so much. he'll have interest in it. And then I'm all be excited to introduce it to him. Yeah. And until then it's not really a thing to worry about, right? So I wanted to touch on there was something viral going around about heavy metals in protein powder I did see that. I saw both Huel and Legion on that on that post. So here's a deal that it's really important to understand with what's going on. So first off Heavy metals are always in the soil. Lead is always in the soil. alwaysways Here's the problem And by the way, it's measured in parts per billion. so or millions of a gram So like if you get like a typical meal of potatoes and vegetables will have about five micrograms. of lead. Most adults naturally consume twenty to eighty micrograms per day through everyday foods and water. So it's just they're found everywhere. It's found in the soil You know where the problem came from? fam Are you guys familiar with California's proroposition sixty five You've seen it before It's on everything It's on the one of thes in coffee shops, it's like, o, it's on every bottle of wine. It's on everything and And it's like why J It's like, why is this on everything? Like what's going on? The problem was that regulators took the lowest level ever associated with harm in humans and then divided it by a thousand creating what they call a safety buffer. In other words, this is the lowest amount that's ever caused problems. Now let's reduce it down by a ton Yeah. And then that's our new safety limit In other words, the safe harbor level is zero point five micrograms per billion or whatever per day, which is a thousand times lower than the level shown to cause harm. So you'll see this Everywhere And this is where the problem came from So like Hule, is well within What would be considered Yeah, anywhere near what the FDA or anyone else would consider too much lead. It's the prop sixty five. That's just insane You can get You almost anything's gonna it's going to have. Well, I remember when you interviewed Dr. Bush U years ago. Yeah. rememember that interview? think so. He's the one that talked about even all of our organic foods have it in it and it's because it's in the rain and the rain like so even if you have like So even if you have like this perfect soil, this perfect all these perfect conditions, you're still going to get it from the rain that's coming down that's been in this old soil and it's like, It's almost impossible to completely have even true, true organic So I remember him talking about that years ago. Yeah, they're well, well they're very, very low in any of these things. It's just they create a lot of confusion. So people were using it as a percentage of Prop sixty five, in which case you could do almost anything.. B plants and plant products are always going to have higher amounts because they're directly from the soil and animal products. Yeah. It's like a piece of ste is going to have less of these things than like a potato or a piece of bcoli or broccoli or something like that. Yeah. So it's all good. Everybody's good. You can look it up yourself and see how they test it. I think something that I'd like to share with the audience just so they know kind of where we're at where were stand. This happened years ago when an article came out about I think, orrganify And I think you immediately when Sal gets stuff like this, you know, I reach out to the to the right away. compompany R away to the company. what I' like let me see the third party testing. Let me see what's going on. Right. But then when I look deeper, I'm like, oh this is what they did. Yeah. And so same thing happened with Huel. So I saw the message, the text message that came across to Katrina from Sal ' Katrina manages all the partners like, Hey, what is this? We have to get to the bottom this immediately because we'll drop a partnership immediately if it's something that we can't stand behind or something that we don't believe in or a problem. And so Um and that's in all of our contracts. So we have the right to do that. We will do that if if something like that were ever to come. But just so just so that we know Yeah Prop sixty five is a their limit is a thousand times lower than what we've ever seen to cause any harm in humans. Yeah. So if something comes up u two times higher than that standard, which is still No, nine, you know, nine hundred times lower than whatever the human standard was. you could together a chart and say They had two hundred percent of what Prop sixty five would say as a mountain. And it was aluminum, right? Is that what it was?al. I don't remember which ones they were, but again, it's like how much were I saw Saladino you're like I saw Saladino talking on a podcast the other day about How many micrograms of like aluminum that we get every single time we drink out of a like a soda can? That's right. I don't know how much that is and what that ratess on that list as far as like how close does that come to the? Obviously it's under FDA because there's no way everyone to be able to have those soda cans. So we're obviously ingesting it in a lot of things every single day. It's probably the accumulation of it that where it gets really dangerous is, you know, if you're doing all these things No, but's third party te can look it up. You go to the website. and they have a great product. They have a great meal replacement product that people love and it's non dairy vegan. so a lot of people can digest it well and it tastes good. I got it when I was driving, this is actually when I was driving with Katrina homeome and, uh Mike Matthews sent it to me because I think Legion was on the list too. And he's like, you see this bullshit right way. And then I said, you got to break it down for me because I'm driving. I said and I said, I think Sal already got it too And so he had sent me basically a lot of the stuff that you had said. and he goes, it's just it's and I so supposedly the person who put the article out to is like some competitor some other company that's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so it ultioted no, totally. But by the way, you're like if you look at like wh proteins always gonna have less off these things, even if even if it's super low in everything because it's not plant bas plant bas is typically to have more of these things that' right or more of the minerals right there in the soil It's right there in the soil Rr the., that's interesting Element is the best electrolyte powder you'll find anywhere. 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You know straight probablybably Not necessarily for the physiological reasons, although those also would play a role here in me saying Proably not a good idea But a lot of it's for the psychological reasons and the behavior reasons that tend to crop up during a three month intentional deficit I think it's important to give yourself, you know, people call them diet breaks. I don't necessarily like to to use that term because it implies that you're gonna to have a cheap meal or go off in the other direction I think it's important though to have schcheduled intentional periods of time where you're breaking the deficit up with what we would call eating at maintenance or at a small surplus, where you increase your calories. And there's a few reasons for this. One It gives you a mental break. Okaykay? I've been intentionally inating a deficit now for Six weeks It would be great to have a week where I'm eating more food, okay The other is the energy that you get from it, the athletic performance, strength gains, whatever, you know type of gains you tend to see from that It also helps with the metabolic adaptation in my experience I don't have a ton of data to support that. There's some that suggests it, but in my experience When I've given people brakes like this, I tend to see less of the ation where their metabolism, for lack of better term slows down. So I don't like like straightforward All the way through intentional deficits for that law. I wish we had some good research to support what you're saying because this has been my experience. In fact, I found it so interesting how common in the bodybuilding space it was to put these competitors on these three month deficits where they were cutting for three months straight, doing cardio like crazy. And I can't tell you how, you know what what I notice out is It seemed to work Okay For someone doing it for the first time. But boy, once they got to their second or third show of doing this again and it's like stop working. Yeah. and it's like the only thing that makes sense to me is that the body just kind of figures it out, gets more resilient. and realizes like, o, this again You're not going to feed me and you're going to make me do alless cardio like I'm going to really hold on a reserve. It just and again, I don't have anything prove that's's happening. I've just seen it so many times and I've experienced it with clients And this is what led me to like the small diet breaks or reverse diets, whatever you want to call them, but these shorter bouts of going on these cuts, then giving them a maintenance or a surplus for a week, then going on a cut, then a maintenance and it just toggling back and forth, I just seem to have way but and that's not just that's not including the psychological but. I can see the difference. likeike dude, we just didn't seem to stall the same way I would stall with clients that I just put on these deficits for long periods of time And so I don't know exactly what's happening from a physiological point. I do know what's happening from a psychological. It was very obvious how many clients and the feedback they would be like, Ohh, it's so nice to just I'll just add that in any other scenario that we can think of where you're applying a stress on the body typically reacts better when you give the body a little break at you know, periodic times. Like when it comes to workouts, like you could train intensely But at some point it's smart to have like deload weeks. You actually get better per planed interruption or recovery. Yeah. That's right. So to me like a deficit is a stress on the body. It is, right? because you're you're taking in Less energy than you're burning. Your body has having to tap into its own energy stores, body fat, hopefully. And you gott to think that's exacerbated when you're also pushing it in the gym too Yeah.'s not just a calorie because the calorie deficit is a stress. And then what are people doing when they're in that? They're also increasing activity lifting in a gym. And so it's not just that stress. it's you're kind of stressing the body from all different angles And and the message you're sending it is, hey, I'm going to keep pushing this body. I'm also going to feed it less than what it needs You know, hoping to use these reserves, the fat But at some point the body's like, okay, we're going to really slow down because I don't know long we can do this for. It's also mentally fatiguing. Yeah to be being a deficit For that long. you know, it sucks. Your performance suffers a lot. Yeah. It just just mentally, you're just like, oh my God, I'm eating this many calories.. Wouldn't it be nice that if after three weeks you could have like five days or four days? of bumping your calories four hundred or five hundred, mayaybe setting yourself up maintenance or maybe a little bit in what you might think is a surplus Giving you that mental break. Becauseuse's what's the challenge with cutting The challenge isn't that you got to lose weight. That is a challenge. It's not the big challenge. The big challenge is consistency and maintaining it afterwards. That's the big issue because everybody gains it back. So I think the way that we need to view Losing weight is less about what's the most effective way to lose weight and more about what's the most effective way to keep it off. Keep it off. becauseuse that's the big problem. I will add one more bit of nuance to this. I also think context matters too because somebody in a very mild cut for three months, different scenario. Yeah. So like let's say I have somebody who's just eating under maintenance. In fact, we're kind of tr targeting maintenance or a little less. Totally different. Totally different. In fact, and this tends to be kind of what we call the Goldilock zone where somebody' just having this beautiful exchange of sometimes they build a little bit of muscles, sometimes they lose because they're hovering very close to maintenance. to a deficit sometimes. They' really trying never being a surplus too much But they're really trying to hover around maintenance most of the time and it's sometimes difficult. offtentimes would accomplish that with clients without even tracking it. R. Have them hit their protein targets, hit only you're hungry, wholele food the protein. and it of fall there. It kind of naturally falls in this place. That's sustainable for three months. sustainable forever It's more sustainable for for lifestyle. Right. And what's happening there so people understand is there's probably periods of time when they're in a little bit of a maintenance or surplus And there's other periods of time that they're in a deficit. and there's just more of those times they're in a deficit, which causes it to be a nice cut and then to lose body fat. And so That's different, but aggressive cut, five hundred plus calorie deficits for sure or more every day for three months. That's long. Yeah Next question is from Better Mang What's the best way to program goblet squats? and what are they most effective for Loading is limited, but I hear experts talking about their value all the time, so I'm curious I typically like because the loading is limited. So with the Glf of squad, if you're not familiar, you're holding a dumbbell in your hands in front of you. You're putting your elbows underneath. and you're doing squats. And typically, I like to do them with heels elevated. So I'll have someone stand on a slight ramp or have their heels and get on depth Yeah. Yeah, and like ten on ten pound plates Yes, loading is limited, right? You get real strong. You can only hold so much in your arms. So I typically save this as the second or third exercise in the leg workout Heels elevated real full range of motion. like you're going all the way down, sitting down coming up and it's great for quads. I can really emphasize quads with the Gulbus sad with my clients and even myself. like I'll get a crazy, but it's typically after I do the heavy loaded back swat type of stuff. That' be yeah, from a functional. it's great for targeting the quads, but I mean I kind of would even probably value more of a Zarchcher squad as opposed to that, you know just because of the loading is so limited and you can load quite substantially more. And I like the centric type of loading where we can keep that load close to the body and you know, you can manage that and control that a lot more effectively. But again, like it's I think it's lower on the stack. when you look at the overall like what's gonna to move the needle the most is probably not one. So interesteresting, I don't know who picked this question I did. Okay so it's cool you picked this up because I had actually just got hit on social media a lot by a lot of the experts talking about it. Oh, really? Yeah, and I'll give you the the takeaways that and I agree with them, and I think you guys will too One, uh Glble squats were a lot of times the first squat that I taught So people that couldn't barbell back squat. Yeah loading is' an issue with the beginner. That's right. Soound dumbells it's a natural youd load in real life. It also promotes good posture. That's right. So somebody who has never really squatted before's easier to do than a gobble squat is an excellent beginner place to start. It also can encourage really good depth. and good core strength. So you have to You have to activate the core, keep your chest up high, good posture, which is good mechanics for learning how to squat properly We're not worried about loading. This person's never really squatted anything. so holding a fifty pound dumbbell is good load. Penty is plenty of load for this person. And so it does it does also when you when you hold it, it kind of naturally pushes kind of the knees out, which is your nbows are in the middle. That's right because Y your elow in the middle. So knees cving out is a very are cving in is a very countering that front weight that's pulling you forward so therefore you can gain more dat. That's right. hips.. So it's it's a great beginner squat and soice Yeahakes. So this was the argument that a lot of the experts that we're talking about that I came across and I agree like U I would argue that I gobblet squatted with more people than I backloaded squatting. Backloaded squat squatting took longer for me. That's right clients to do. That's. skill takes a while to sometometimes months. That's My my average client was middle aged to advanced age female client who had never really lifted weights. And so I did not take that client to a Barbeel back squat in our first month of training. We gobblet squatted for a while and gobblet squatting got them in a really good position. So that's where you're getting a lot of the what makes it so amazing. Now if you've been if you can barbell back squat to Justin's point, this is like, this is where and this is why I think you guys took that angle is like It doesn't come close to a barbell or even a front No for me I would people' goals Yeah. Yeahre trying to. It doesn't in the ranking of Barbell back squat, Barbell front squat, maybe even the it does lunges. Yeah, it just doesn't it doesn't it't hit that. But decondition client who's never squatted before Awesome Well I' tell you when I've gobled squad, it was at the end of my leg workout. when I'm already fatigued. So I'm looking for a pump. So I pump the quads that way. Y. So I love at the end of my workout, I've already done heavy Barbeel back squad, maybe lungees or Bulgarians. and I want to just get a massive pump on my quads, elevate my heels Grab an eighty pound dumbbell and pump them out ARamp style or high rep and just blow my quads Next question is from Gabriel nine nine two three one nine. If each one of you guys could pick one peptide and the rest disappear What would it be and why? Yeah, so let's talk about our experience. Okay. and You know, maybe maybe because I've taken the most bit. I feel like there's one of us way more qualified to see that. Yeah. So I mean, I've used I''ve used every single one, I can get my hand. But you only get one. All the rest have to disappe. I'll talk about some of the ones that made the biggest impact. me Yeah, but you got give me and I will pick one. I will pick one. But the ones that made the biggest impact where I'm like Whoa, I could tell taking something I feel like you're gonna steal Justin eyes if you Yes or right. well through the list of. That give me your w to make cakes for, and then we'll give our one and then you can come back around and tell. othertherwise, you're gonna steal our thunder. Yeah. look'll I'll pick one that you guys haven't taken I know. Okay sureure. Okay. They all gonna toappear. and that's the one you're keeping. Well, I'm gonna put in a category of like You want to gain size. Okay you want muscle size, part of it is because it makes you hungry. Part of it is because it makes your muscle you hold water. Bututamor. Oh I'veaken that. Oh ye have. Oh yeah, for gain. That made me I will put on seven pounds pounds le really good. That was a radical muscle building. Wow. But all the rest the For muscle building. Iact. okay. For muscle building. Muscle building. For like energy, Matt C blows me away. Yeah. I did Mat C. and I was like, Ohh my Godd, I feel just is impact. I know this he's still gonna still as thunder. He can't help himself. They're good. It's good It's good. conitive cognitive You don't need sell all of them. Youll one hundred percent in on dihexa. so that would be mine. So your's is Dihexa. You noticed that one a little. Wow. So interesteresting you guys went directions. Like not even close. like all the other you CMaxs like, you know, somewhat But even any new tropic I've ever taken, any kind of like vitamin or brain vibe, anything anybody's ever promoted has not even touched it. L Dieaxa has been One of those things it's like, whoa, that's wild because When you notice it, does it take a day or two or It takes about a day or two. Yeahah. And then if I'm ' It's weird 'cause I like try and save it, you know. Like I it's like that limitless pill for you drop it when I have the most impact. you know. So before recording I'll make sure and like do a day before and then start the sequence of that and then I'll kind of taper off the rest of the week U But yeah like I I could and I've messed with like higher amounts and then it's it's too much. I'll get like a headache and so, you know, there's just this like sweet spot. but yeah, it's like I'll start noticing that I could recall something. and then I just, oh yeah, this. and then it's like more fluid in conversation with anybody. I'll just think of a reference and say, boom I never have access to that and it's so frustrating. And so now it's like, wow One thing that's actually helped at least someomewhat. It's not like there's potential for me like like huge potential to be able to remember things. like I still have a really hard time. Man I am so fascinated that you both went that direction. I would totally not Well I'm saving the other one. Well, I know I have more, but that's just the one that impact me Well Yeahah know, if I had to like pick one, it has to be one over another for me. That's it. It has to either be a GLP one or it has to be PPC. It has to be one of those two. PPC's because common one. Just because and less of my person self because I could give two shits about GLP one. I just know the impact of it. Like if I only get one peeptide and the rest of it disappeared, I think of that peeptide is GLP one would have helped so many of my clients that I had. Oh my God. I use that as a tool with Yeah, you kidding me lifeife changing for that. And the other one is injuries is just, I mean, BBC cuts the injury time recovery time in half. Yeah. Like literally fifty percent And so when I think of the things that I dealt with as a trainer with clients obesity diet issues for sure top. And then second would be nagging pain and hury. I just I just started one I've never done before with our partners at Mphormones. com and they recommended five amino one MQ. It's in capsule form And it brings down an enzyme that degrades NAD. So you actually get NAD through a different pathway and it definitely elevates NED. So you can take NED to try get more AD or you can just get your body to break down less of it and have more of it And five Aino one MQ is pretty effective at it. So they recommended it to me. I'm like, sure, I've never tried it before I know. I can tell. Yeah. No, I can tell. It's the most I can tell of all the energy producing Yes like Amazzi did that for me as well. I like, but it's different. fiveive Aino one MQ is a capsule, and I'll do like a hundred milligrams O one hundred fif milligrams you could do a little fifteen milligrams. And for sure I could tell. sleep deprived, I could tell when I'm like feel good. I can with NAD just in general, I'm kind of meh about it unless you're like sleep deprived really bad, right? So like I need it. Like I flew from Florida type of deal, right? I'm all jet lagged coming off a serious flu or sickness like that or like when I recovered from the cradum thing. M, holy cow. Yeah. like I felt a huge difference. Other times I'm like do I feel better? I don't know. It's hard to tell. But if you're depleted or you you're down, holy smokes you feel better. Now I'm going to report back on so our again, our partners at MpP hormones have something called the Co stack. K LO W. Let skin one. It's BPC. It's TB five hundred KPV. And I can't remember lookC. So and all of them are synergistic. All of them help with repair. All of them and people like it for skin, but it's great for skin, hair nails, it's great for ligaments, it's great for injuries, inflammation. It's good for gut health But people love it for skin My wife's been on it for I'll report back. She's only been on it for like five days. so know that's we're giving that to her. She did look forty three years younger than you post you just that? He, you know why I did that? respond. You know I did that? You know I did that. So I did that because we were at a wedding. And thought it was your daughter. No, no, no not again.. By the way, that doesn't offend me at all. was talking about was about your wifee peopleople were like, o Oh, sorry, I'm sorry sorry. I was like look like I was like those people were talking about Katrina behind my back. instead of saying like, of course I would date some young b. But we were talking we were talking We were with this couple and then one of them, I don't remember she said something about you know birthday. I remember what it was? And they're like, what? I thought you were like I thought you were like thirty. And she's like, no becauseuse my wife's thirty nine.. No no, we didn And She never believes anybody. So I'm like, watchatch. I'm going to ask People on Instagram are age difference. The average person on there said fifteen year age difference.. There's an eight years age difference, everybody. Well, it doesn't help that you look seven. That was the angle I feel. When I said forty three hours ago, that angle was like, well, he looks like seventy five here. She looks like she's All right. back to the pepttide thing. I will very carefully talk about some of the not so you know, like some of the gray market, I've trade gray market peptides as well. So I will say that there's one called FLG R I can't remember the rest of it. It's like a weird name. It's a long acting form of phalostatin I don't recommend you go get it, You can make you do your own decisions or whatever But that stuff works for sure. But it's not something you would get from an FDA regulated compound pharmacy. This is if you wantan to be stupid. I. I went on a rant with Shalen Johnson on all of it. I just kind of like I poo hooed a lot of it. There'sertain certain things like BPC, I said, and a GLP one for the right person But I think for a majority of people, and I think you're an exception to the rule too, because I mean, I haven't seen you miss a meal in fucking eleven years. Uh, you know, like the average person who can't who can't keep their diet in check for freaking three weeks And you can't exercise more than sixty days in a row. It's like taking all these different random peptes. My brother my brother's that guy. He sent an ad for a mushroom like drink. He's like, shouldhould I take this? Like, bro, you're putting a spoiler on a ninety five. Exactly. Yeah. That's exactly. go work out. That's exactly how I communicatein.'s like E everybody's asking about, Oh, what's the best for this? It's like, dude, go eat right for a month Yeah Go trained because so, you know, to my point about you, like to me it's fair. Like And so anybody who doesn't know like Sal doesn't miss a workout, doesn't miss a meal and has done that for the eleven years I've been around him. And so yeah, makes sense that you would you would toy around with all these other next layers of stuff for the rest of us get your shit together everywhere else and then it makes sense to do that. Next question is from Joe Pack. Favorite moment when playing sports for Adam and Justin. It'd be nice to have Sal take the back seat for a question. You picked this? Yeah. I did. I wanted to You just wanted a break. I'm tired. It's time for my meal. No, I want I'm actually curious I read this. I'm like I don't think I've ever heard you guys personal stories or what playing sports. Like No, it's playing sports. Oh wow. Yeah, like what's your I don't think I know from you guys I know from Justin when you did the reunion game. Oh yeah. but I don't know if that's your favorite moment Yeah that was like, yeah, way later on. It was like recreating my favorite moments, you know with my buddies. And it really was football was probably the most impactful sport because It was just so much training and everything leading up into these and you only get a certain amount of games so they mean more, you know, and it's like The overall for me to play with like a big team and like dominate other teams was like such a good feeling. I think the most impactful was actually when we lost though which is ironic, but it's We played we we had a season where we were just undefeated And we're just dominating almost everybody. What this high school or called? High schoolool? Okay. Yeah, I'm gonna to go back to Uncle Rico. Are you a senior here or junior? Don'try. have more I have a way more pathetic story. This is senior year And so I mean, there's a lot of story. I'll try and condense this so it's not so ridiculous, but We had a pretty traumatic like it's a junior year one of our players he was part of a car crash and died in this like accident and and it was all drunk driving related and all this stuff. And so we actually like decided collectively like nobody's going drink because like we were all just like so dialed in training in like We were all at each other's houses. We had we shared dinners with each other and it was like this like Total synergy you'd never get and I didn't realize you I never got it again, you know, in sport U so it was just like one of those kind of magical seasons and we just kind of came out of the gates just fighting everybody and just destroying people. And it was like all the speculation of like where we could go. We got a lot of press. like the whole community was just like following us around all over the state of California like playing these games. and we were just trying to we were trying to call out like the biggest schools and play and we ended up like making it all the way to the end. We played in this championship game for Division one And it was against Palma and Palma was just as talented. We were literally like the perfect match with them and we didn't know how good they were because we were just destroying everybody and like we finally kind of met our match. And so we're out there and we're fighting and we They had a completely different type of offense. like they ran like the fly sweep and they ran a lot of like this misdirection stuff. And so I wasn't able to play in my normal position. I was like outside landbacker and I used to just, you know, take quarterbacks out and like just that was my job and I was like basically a lignemment at that point. and so it was like I was playing different position. everybody was kind of switched around and so it was kind of disoriented, but we played really well We were down, we were back up, we were down. The game kind of went back and forth, like crazy. We got to the point where we were down, I think it was like two touchdowns And we threw this bomb to to our receiver Orion and he he just broke away and like score and we're like going crazy. we go kick offff. kick off like an onside kick, we recover. Oh God. We go down, we get back. we score We'read. Oh. We're ahead by like, you know, two points or something And so they get the ball back. We kick it off as far deep as we can. They get to like the ten yard line or so H Again, this is like where we all have this like you regret kind of like with the coaching and this and that and the other like what we could have done better Like it was the whole pre event defense and so we're kind of backing off and we're like we don't want to let them uh, you know, easily throw the bomb because they're going to go for the end zone because they have to score U And so I think it was like four points. So it was like it wasn't like they could kick a fuel goal to time. So Um and so they're going down the field and they're just chipping away. Boom. get it out of bounds. you know, the same time. it's like You get down to the point they were at the fifty yard line, I believe. and so the quarterback, I'm running in likeike a hundred percent effort tackle the quarterback because At this point I was like, cooach, just let me go. Like he was like everybody's backing off. I'm like I'm blitzing. I'm going. And so I just went, hit the quarterback. He throws like just a prayer in the end zone. O our quarterback grabs it in the end zone, the air catches it The receiver rips it out of his hands, mid air lands touchdown score, they win the game done. And we're just left there like what just happened? We just like literally came back and we were fighting and our crowds going crazy and we're just having this momentum and we're going to win this is the championship and then just Gone. Every gone But it was like one of those kind of t shirt games where it's like's like everybody remembers it, everybody knows who's part of it,s who fucked up, you know, we're like looking at the film, you know, like it's just to this day. It's like if I go to like one of these bars like where I grew up, it's like they' still you'll hear people talking about it Noh swear it to God. Swear to God You'll see pictures and so people Yeahah, it was to go. I could show you, dude. I embarring, but it's but because it was such like a local like event. likeike everybody was all bought in. So so so you guys lost because you blisszed? So it's all your fault? No. No, this is not. I told was second two was it was like great like Ohh he fumbled the ball it you lost. Oh No, I mean, I made a lot of plays in that game and like I got, you know, tackles, but it was like I'm excited just hearing it right now. That's just so memorable because it was like the hardest fought game I've ever been in And we still didn't win. you know, yeah, still a good story though. But yeah I was like just to be a part of that was like Magical. Wow. You know it's funny that you me, Katrina, we all have similar stuff in. I didn't play the only winning team that I played for that we went to a championship was in eighth grade And the coolest story that I have was the game before the championship game. I scored three goals coming back from being down to put us over and win. now soccer Yeah soccer and the eighth grade. So that's like the best like well tell a story. man you made it boring just now. Well three goals. I mean, anything cool happen? I mean, we were down. we were down two goals. I scored the three goals in a row to win. So that was like a was it So for me, that's like was a highlight in sports for me But I played for a lot of losing teams. So when we were like in high school, like I got we got our asses kicked. I rode the bench a lot of the time. So like I didn't have a lot of really cool stories that I got to experience. In fact, I think that's what built a lot of character in me is like having to work so hard and losing. And so being like going through it sucked being an adult later on. like Katrina and I talk about this the whole time, Katrina, like even her whole experience, you know, she would D one and played on a team that lost every game And she came from a high school that went undefeated.. So she she used to tell me that So in D one she come home. She like cried every day after playing because I come from being this dominant high school team to going to a D one school, my dream and then losing every single game. She goes it broke my she goes I cried every single game afterwards like that. You know, my best like sports experiences is so uncle Rico and sad to say was as playing reccball in my twenties. Because in my twenties My best friend who I went to high school with and played basketball with, moved in with me and we played reccball together in our twenties and the one of the funnest times ever had and we went to we won some like reccball tournaments, which I don't count that get a medal But exactly super l that. I was like super lame. you know, it's more bragging rights. But playing ball with somebody and Justin's probably experienced this, playing ball with someone you've played ball with most of your life U was so fun because It's you have this other sense with him. like I don't like I knew where he was on the court. And so getting to play as like young adults in these like reccball leagues with a guy that I've been playing basketball with for ten plus years. Awesome. There's all kinds of great plays and moments that happen within the games that I can still like recall you know, like these like no look passes and things like no way how you saw him there But man, I never I played for a lot of bad losing teams and rode the bench when I was in high school. My freshman year, I was a I was a star player because I played for a division four high school. It was a small school. And so I dominated. It was a leading score, Led in Steelals. didn't we didn't have any we didn't go to the championship ring like that, but I had a great season And then the next year I get transferred to a bigger school where I end up I know nobody. I'm behind who becomes my best friend my point card is I'm playing point card behind another guy. So I rode the pine and didn't play a lot And so went from being this great star player to being a bench rider and so like I don't have like really good ort sties of a cool moment or I have more, I just let them homeold back. No. I wantanna hear another one. Yeah, you probably have way better. Well else they site me up, dude. Yeah your autograph. Especially like it's funny, like the recack stuff was was was huge because it was like like you said, like you grew up and you all played on the sameame teams like most of the guys that were like my best friends, we played like every sport. So it wasn't just like, you know, football was like baseball was So you was rugby. It was yeah, we played like all these things together like my same kind of crew and we played like a a three on three tourn. rememember those like Yeah three and three like basketball tournament? And this is where the one U or what was called? Yeah And one. And one. Yeah. Yeah. And so we're in San Jose and we're playing and you know, we're we're like three Dorky white guys, you know, and like there's just like, there's Anyway, we were getting dominated by like a lot of players there that were just dunkking Yeah just like throwing whatever up and they're just making everything and we're I bring that up because you look at us and we stood out we're like, you know, playing like wooden basketball where you're like throwing up bank shots and we're doing like bounce passes to each other We're all fundamental fundamental basketball And so it was like we're kind of laughing about it, but because they were just like, you know, talking so much trash to us and like, you know, trying to like kick us off the court and like So we lost our first game, which was like one of those things it was like they just were just Totally like um messing with us the whole time. The crowd was just like making fun of us, you know, And and so and we rallied back because you get like one loss and then you kind of get in the loser bracket, you make your way back up And so we end up winning and then we won again and then we won again and we're just like d fundamental basketball. We're coming back. and we made it all the way to the end. So we win like, you know, the consolation prize and like the loser bracket. But it was like we played the same team that beat us Yeah in the beginning and we smashed them the second time. So anyway it was like One of those things it was fun because it was there was I really enjoy when people like they throw all this venom at you before they even know what you're capable of And I've experienced that so many times. My favorite part about sport is like like they underestimate. You putut up or shut up. Yeah. And And then there's other football games where people like my favorite thing was when people would throw stuff at us and we're just waiting to get on the field and like just the venom and vitriol and like you guys suck fucking You and like they're just like, you know Really territorialm to kul my had. Yes. I was like, yeah more. you know, we would feed up We were like one of the only teams that like fed off of that ennergy. And we came out and just I remember I had like the best game I've ever had in football where I was like I had like four sacks. I had like two interceptions We just like we came back and it was one of those where we we get around the bus and we're just like singing because everybody was just throwing stuff at us. hated us And we're flipping them off and Well, I can't tell the rest of the part. That's tell you guys off bestest part to get Justin going you know, you start talking about these stories. There's stories that Justin and I experienced together that a long time ago we shared on the podcast when we played the forty nineers and that was crazy We shut the gym down and Justin was a personal trainer and I was running the Santa Tereresa Cub And that was crazy, right? got a bunch of a bunch of two hundred and eighty pound d. Yeah. S Soan Lyman That was Isaac Sapawaga was playing for them. Manny Peterson was playing for them. I covered Isaac. Yeah and and to see these NFL players who you could tell by the way, they dribble the ball and play that they weren't like basketball players at all But the athleticism was just insane and we just got destroyed. And we were all like ex basketball players. And so that was really fascinating to do that. Well somebody you talk about people Tking shit before and stuff like that, like some of my favorite memories were with Katrina. where we would go down and play this is, you know, we go play pickotball And we go down to like twenty four hour fitness on a Saturday where and all the gamers are playing in there and we have the girl on our team. And so everybody does, you know, this is like I mean, on Saturday down at like twenty four is like when all the college players are down there stuff like that. And so You know, they'd see Katrina and they like automatically theyd pair up the worst guy that they have on the girl. And then it would be the best like within like three, four points after she stole the ball twice or block disaster. They' have to switch the dude on a different guy on her because she was just school and some guy and soome. Yeah, Th those were like great memories. to marry her. Yeah. Yeah, know. So we have like I have like all these like Uncle Rico stories like that that were great, but I never got to play on a good a good competition. I got one story, but it's not about me because I didn't play last of sport. I did Judo Ju Jitsu but nothing Yeah, You you' have a cool to get to a purple bll, you had a good win. Yeah. a good w. had I' got a couple stories, but one that stands out to me is with my dad So my dad, when I was a kid, I was twelve, I was doing Judo. We did it over San Jose Buddhist Judo club. So the oldest Judo clubs in America. It's in Japantown downtown San Jose And I was twelve, my cousin was twelve. My brother was there. He was a little guy. He did it And my dad, he did Judo as a kid in Sicily and he stopped forever because he wass working sport his family, finds a Judo school, signs us up. and so he signs himself up. So then we se up for a big tournament And it was one of the bigger tournaments around here and my dad says, I'm going to compete too. So the kids typically go first. So we do our thing Then the adults go And my dad at the time He probably weighed one hundred and eighty five pounds. Not a huge guy, not a small guy, not a hu guy five nine or whatever And I don't know I don't remember exactly how this happened, but they put him in like a pool with much with much bigger guys And so my dad's first match, he throws the guy wins. The second guy he went against was this dude. As a kid, I don't I would love to see this guy now as an adult, but as a kid, he was very scary. He was he looked jacked. So as a kid, I don't know how jacked he is, but to a twelve year old Yeah. my cousin and I were like Oh no. Your dad's going against that guy.. So he was definitely bigger than my dad. Dreadlocks, like big dude, he had this Camo Gon before warming up, which is funny because you're not supposed to wear that for Judo, but he had this and he took that ge off and he was a ggeous jack In his first match, he hurt the guy. like really bad. The guy hit the ground, super bad, whatever. So I go up to my des It's like a bloodsport movie.' remind me of that. Well Judo, Judo is it's it's karotated kid. It's like it's like wrestling. like and in Judo, you win by throwing someone. So it's not like point fighting like You're blasting somebody. It's very explosive, very contact. So we go up to my dad. my cousin and I and my uncle go up to my dad. So my uncle's full grown man. to convinince my dad to not do the match. because I'm like, because I mean my cousin and I were like I almost was ready to cry. I'm like, My dad's gonna to get hurt. What are we gonna do? I tell my uncle uncless like, it's probably a good idea because he has a job. He's got support me. So we go to my dad and we try to convince him, like, Hey, don't do it I'm like begging him. I' like,a, please't this. He's he's gonna hurt you please don't do this My dad's like, he's just a man. Heays just a man. I'm a man, he's a man. If he beats me, it's okay. it's not a big deal. Yeah, but you're gonna to get hur. He's like, it's gonna to be okay. I'm going to be okay. So we're all on the sidelines watching my dad go up there. and I'm like terrified. I'm like really scared. My uncle's scared. My mom at the time, she can't watch. She couldn't watch our matches either to be fair. shen't watch anybody's matches So my dad goes against this guy My dad throws him but it's not full throw so you don't get a full point. you have to keep going on the ground. My dad holds him down in a pin. so you can pin someone in Judo. You have to hold him for thirty seconds though. And he holds this guy And he's got he does a side, what's called a side pin And he's got his chin on the guy's chest, or head and arm in one side in between the legs other side. And look like it looked like my dad took this guy and drilled him to the floor. He wasn't moving. There was no movement. He was just on the ground. Like, I don't know how my dad's very strong.'s got good technique. But this dude was just pinned and he starts yelling But but he a't anywhere. My dad is holding him. And then they throw they throw a bean bag to the floor and you win. And that was like the most hero moment of my life. to see my dad win this. Epecially at that age twelve years old, likeike at that moment like Oh, he was kidding me Super mad. Oh ye, dude. I looked at my dad and I was like He's like I told you, I told you it would be okay. I was scared. We were all scared that great story.uch a greatuch a great moment. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram, it's Mindpump Media. Thank you for listening to Mindpalmer. 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