Treating Chronic Forearm and Wrist Pain

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Well, I'm looking at what you got ahead of us here and I'm like, oh, this is interesting because There are things that we talk about that get into people's way. And then I think there are things that are more timely, you know, with kind of what's happening right now with fitness trends. Yeah. Like for example, the first thing is the over reliance on wearables and tech. This This was not a thing when we were training clients. Wearables were not a thing. Just emerging, but yeah, not. Towards the end, they were starting to even then Yeah becoming But now wearables and tech things that track your sleep and your heart rate and your steps and all the tracking wearable devices are becoming a big thing and they can totally become a trp. Yeah. I obsession. I like the way you frame this and I like the things that you chose because I feel like this is the theme that they all have in common. They all have Uh validity. Yeah. they all value they they they all could be a tool But I do think that they've become a trap. I think that they every one of these ones that you've listed People have fallen prey to the marketing and advertising around them And now it's the end all, be all, or they're dependent on these things to get their results. And I couldn't agree more. as much and I think out of all of us, I'm the most pro probably tech. I think I use to the tech stuff for tracking the most. and I think I think they it can be a wonderful tool But I do think that a lot of people get hung up on the data that it's giving you and it becomes this driver and almost a stress. Yeah, that's okay. So I'm so glad you said that. So when we say traps, that doesn't mean they're not valuable. It means they can become traps because we either overvalue them or we don't recognize the potential pitfalls So let's with wearables. We're talking about wearables U And I remember the first time I heard somebody say this, It was actually Doug Doug talked about how these sleep tracking devices were causing him to have worse sleep because he was stressing over the data. Yeah wanted to improve his numers. He's getting competitive with it. He kept looking at it, trying to improve it. and it actually something had just put a away to get as sleep to be better After I heard that from Dg, I've now heard several callers call in and talk. Now I remember back when we trained clients, this wasn't a thing. So I didn't have experience with clients wearing these. But I've now heard enough people on the show say, oh, I had to stop tracking my sleep because it actually made my sleep worse. The fact that I was tracking it. The other part is you can start to ignore how you feel rely entirely on what your device says, which is not good. This is not a good thing because How you may feel may differ from what the data says But how you feel, yes, I know it's your perception, but that actually is your reality Not only not to mention that's how you develop a relationship you have with fitness One of the things that we do as trainers that helps our clients achieve long term success is help them to connect the dogs. Yeah. Help them to connect how they feel, how they perceive how they feel to how they're going to change or modify their workouts, to how they're going to change or modify their diet. And if a wearable says one thing, but my client comes to me says, but I feel like this, You know what I'm going to go with? Yeah, I'm going to go with the client what you feel. I know this is kind of one of those things too. And I was optimistic about HRV training and was really like excited and geeking out on it when I was train athletes specifically too because they'd come in and I'm like, hey, what's your score? And we would see trends raarely would it line up with how they actually felt before the workout. And so it was like you know,, it was nice to have kind of see like the progression of that, but at the same time, just how they felt and like if they had a good night of sleep and their stress levels were down and they kind of inherently knew that was that was what we led with. Yeah. I think you said it best with it's really good for trends So and I think if you just take it with a grain of salt and you go like this is just another data point that I'm using with many other data points that are so important and probably how you feel being how you feel and strength results probably the most important The other part of the wearables that I see happen to people a lot is is the over correction with calories. Yeah is super common because they get told Oh, this is what my BMR is. I should be and based off my activity level, this is where my calories should be at in order for me to lose weight. So then they start doing that. And then maybe they have a day that's stressful and get very good sleep or something, or just something going on at work or they just had extra sodium or they just drink some extra water. and all of a sudden their body holds two or three extra pounds of water and the scale goes up And because they're tracking so diligently, they know like man, I was eating nineteen hundred calories and I still went up on the scale. I must need to go lower. So now I'm going to go down to seventeen hundred And so they all said in course correct because they're using this data. They care so much about the scale going down And they they're show man, I'm tracking my calories, my calories are saying this and my scale' a great example. My weight went up. I need to go harder and go down. I don' see that all the time. It's a great example because a scale is actually tech. Now it's not considered tech today, but at one point it was tech. Yeah. And we have a lot of experience with our clients where the scale screwed them up. Yeah. Completely misleading. Yeah, the problem with tech is it doesn't have Perfect information. Perfect information would consider every possible variable, including the subjective experience of the client So the question is, how do you use tech then as a trainer? Well, here's how I would use it. I would look at someone's HRV, I would look at someone's sleep score, and then I'd ask them how they feel. and then I might not even tell them how I'm adjusting the workout because they need to know that how they feel matters, not to me, but to them so they can start connecting the dots Then we get the GLP one scenario This one's wild. GLP. tides. GLP ones are the first ones, Th we have two, threerees, probably fours coming up or something like that. So these GLPs This is the first time we've ever had a medical intervention that is so reliable for weight loss. If you use a GLP, You're probably going to lose a lot of weight period into story But here's the problem The problem is the severe reduction in calories that comes from just not eating This can blind you to what might really be happening One of the main things is muscle loss. and we see this in the data. It's very, very clear. If you go in a GLP and you don't strength train And you don't eat adequate calories and you definitely don't eat enough protein, thirty five, forty percent of the weight loss will come from muscle. And that's not good. That's actually not setting you up for longevity. It's making you weaker, more frail Um, it's causing metabolic adaptation in a direction you don't want Eventually you can plateau and then you're stuck in this position where the low calories you're eating are not even low enough to cause any more weight loss U and it's kind of a smokke screen And the reason why this is a trap is somebody who's always struggled with weight u who goes in a GLP and doesn't do all the other stuff that we're talking about They see the scale going down and they're like, this is great. Yeah I'm moving in the right direct.'s positive. Everything's positive, this is great. I'm losing weight, whatever. I don't care. I've struggling my weight for so long. And it's a trap because they're not looking deeper. It's not justusting the root cause That's right It's like a drug that's masking the real reason why they got to where they're at. whichich means you are now sububject to taking this for the rest of your life. If you don't solve that and of course, what most people are saying is who cares just want to get down there. then I'll figure it out from there This is u God, this has become way bigger than I thought it was as far as a problem. againgain, this weekend I was at a graduation part all the graduations are happening right now, right? And so I was had a big graduation party and Every conversation I had Really? Every The conversation I had was around GLP ones It was insane to me. And I'm not at a this wasn't like my my fitness friends, right? there's no personal trainers here.ing it. There's no personal trainers. there Okay. Zero personal trainers is not my fitness bubble that I'm at in the world. This is like Normal people, nobody's like there's people that are working out that are there. There's a huge party, right? But I mean This is not a fitness gathering and every person wanted to talk to me about GLP once. It was really annoying Like because I did not want to talk about it and they're all so excited about it. And I also didn't want to be this guy at the party that's like shing all over everybody's ideas and like it was like I just was listening and just taking it all in going like, wow, this has gone So and bro Kids Kids parents that are there's because they're hearing so many of the positive things about it that are letting their high school kids take GOP once.. High school kids that don't need to lose one hundred pounds of weight. They just want to lose ten or fifteen pounds before the graduation dress That's what's going on. Yeahs that's how bad this is going. GLPs have tremendous potential value, but they become a trap when people go on them They kill their appetite and they just essentially starve themselves to lose a bunch of weight. That's it. And they don't realize that they're trading one problem for another Obesity is a problem. so is being under muscled So frailty is a real problem. In fact, when it comes to longevity U Frailty is a bigger problem in many cases than obesity and it can cause lots of different issues. And it's a trap because people don't realize what's happening. They just know that they're smaller They are ignoring the signs of the fact that they're fatigued and weak They don't feel as good. But hey, the weight's going down So this must be totally amazing. G GOPs used properly can be phenomenal, but I wonder what percentage of people are using GLPs alongside working with a good fitness coach because that's what you need, by the way What you need when you're in a GLP is a good fitness coach. First off, yes, you need to strength train, but you don't just strrength train Strength training needs to be done appropriately. and when you're a sub calorie diet It's even more important that the strength training is done appropriately. Number two, strategies around diet switch, they change. They used to be, how do I prevent myself from overeating? Now they're how can I eat adequate calories in adequate protein when I have no appetite? and coaches, good coaches know the strategies to work around this. And then number three Can I learn to modify behaviors in a way to where This isn't a permanent thing. I don't have to stay on this for the rest of my life. And so I see this totally becoming for a lot of people becoming a big trap. Yeah, they're leapfrogging a lot of the disciplines that are required with knowing how to navigate through, you know, body composition. It's like it's it's tough because it's almost like, okay, well You know, when's the pill for just like now I don't have to work out. I have to, you know, I can just take this and then I have these fake muscles you go the anti muscle loss. Right. It's likess it's just the same type of mentality. It's like let's remove the work and let's But it doesn't it doesn't play out that way and your body doesn't, you know, react the way people are expecting. Speaking of the pill, the pill version is out too. It's full on marketed the GOP pill. Yeah. ye. it's full for which I can't imagine how many people. I think a majority of Americans will be on JP. You called that. And I you know, admittedly, I've one hundred percent flip flopped my stance on on it And I can say that too while also still saying, it can be amazing for the right person. The right client with like you said, coaching and support. We have a lot of clients. Okay. You know, we service a lot of clients here. And there's a there's a large percentage of them that use GOP ones. So I do want to make that clear that I'm not flip flopping of becoming pro to anti it. It's just that I thought and I remember arguing with you when we first talked about this, it would be a net positive. even with I knew some of this was coming, right? There's no this is not like a surprise. What's a surprise is the percentage of it. It's like I thought, you know what? off course there's going to be a bunch of peopleople abuse everything, right?f course there's always going to be the abusers and people that shouldn't take it that are going to do it and knew that But I still thought because obesity is such a large percentage of our population, that it would still be a net positive for us. I don't know. No, the problem with that is when it's an interesting problem. When you look at the data, people who are overight, people who are fit and overweight. Now we're not talking about severe obesity likeike just tons and tons of of pounds overweight. but Typical Oweight, okay? When someone's fit and overweight, if they're strong and overweight, They have better longevity than somebody who is weak and underweight Okay. So this is what's happening. What's happening is people are losing lots of weight and becoming frail. Yeah. I have a friend of mine who has a family member who went on a GLP to lose weight. And he came back and we're talking about this. and he's like I could see the boniness in his shoulders Yeah. I can see what's happening and I'm trying to communicate to him. Like I know you're losing a lot of weight, too, but I think half of it. his muscle. And the guy responded and said, Yeahah, I do feel weak I do feel like I don't have any strength. Yeah. But again, it becomes a trap because We like to see the scale move down. That's almost what I wish they required coaching and, you know, proper nutrition planning with it, you know, in combination. But yeah, for just people to have access without that type of what we're seeing are better. We're seeing better lipid numbers. We're seeing better, you know, like blood measurements, but we're also seeing a sarcopenia We're starting to see osteopenia. So bone weakening, muscle weakening. and we haven't been on them long enough to start to see The falls, the brakes, the immobility type of stuff, but that's Then you have people who are chasing longevity fads and ignoring the basics. This is the the Brian Johnson effect That's what I'm calling that. Yeah, totally. It's totally turning. I saw actually this' why I saw this on your list. I thought Oh, this is cool. I wanted to talk about this anyways because I'd seen a few people pop up in my feed that are taking some pretty strong stances U because I don't know, I I feel like we were celebrating a lot of the things that he was doing for so long And one of the things the person was asking is like, man, I would love to see like they talk all about his blood markers and his sleep score and he's getting all these crazy things. It's like I'd like to hear about like his mental health, his relationships with his, you know, family and friends and what he does on his free time like it's like This thing is consumed totally your life, all chasing this idea of adding twenty more years potentially to your life. And I know I made the kind of joke the other day tongue in cheek about you know, getting didn get hit by a bus at seventy five and it's just like What was that all for? You know what I'm saying? Like So you have to ask yourself, like you spend that much of your life dedicated to try and chase this longevity thing of living forever when you potentially may not live any longer. he's the extreme. But I think the trap that a lot of people will fall into because Brian Johnson does everything He does everything every, everything, which is dysfunctional Let's honest. it's kind of orthorexic right. Yeahah. But I think the average person falls into the trap into this trap because they Don't focus on the basics and they focus on the longevity fAad part. believing that the FAad is going to give them the biggest bang for the bucks. So a good example. here I'll give you a simple stupid analogy It'd be like someone going to the grocery store, and buying u super organic. you know, locally sourced candy But they're not getting the chicken to rice potatoes and vegetables, right? They're just like they're eating food that is not healthy, but they're getting making sure that it's like super organic, super clean. It's got the all these, you know, different things that I've read that are supposed to be good, but it's candy. It's still candy. It's still potato chips You're not eating you're not focusing on the basics. So this can happen with things like, and these things are real value, right? Like Red Le, sauna, all these things have like real value. All the compounds you could take that U work on your mitochondrial. That's I was going to say that's a better example for me is the all the peptides that are out for mitochondrial health for increasing teelomeers for doing all these things, right. And then you're you're you're driving through taco Bell. then you're and you're doing you're drin u til two morning blood transfusions when he just needs to work out. Yeah, there's we're doing these and this was this is a conversation I had with Slen Johnson when she interviewed me when I was in Florida A lot of it was around all these like longevity pept tides and all these things I think about it. I'm just like, listen They are amazing. They're all it's all great stuff Red lightight therapy. amazing. Th these are amazing. But it's like the amount of people that are are putting that in front of Basically hitting their protein intake consistently or getting good night's rest. It's just like and those things like the analogy I gave her is like, listen, you could take all these crazy peptides, do all the light, red light thererap but you can do all the stuff with that and If I can get a client to improve their sleep by twenty percent, it trumps all that stuff. Yeah. don they don't have to that perfect. Just improve it by twenty percent one thing will move the needle then more than all of all of those things. So you have to attack it that way. It's like Now granted, if you're the person who's checking all the boxes then yeah, why not cool, add that stuff, but it's like we're we're so focused on these these Im in a text thread with family members. I won't out who this person was, but they sent a picture of a product. It was like a mushroom drink product. So it had all the like medicinal, you know, mushrooms that have all the health benefits and stuff hey, should I corticeps corticeps and all you know, all these les made right now. And it was a good product, right? I saw theingredients. I saw the doses look like a good product. likeike, Hey, what do you think of this? I know this guy. I know him because I'm related to him So he sends it a like bro Pting a spoiler on a nineteen ninety one civic. Yeah. Like let's let's let's let's do let's do stuff that's going to move the needlebone. Let's go. That's the exercise right before drinking this mushroom drink. Yeah because it's not going to make that big difference. Tally. Then we have the, you know, chasing aesthetics over everything So rather than focusing on the things that cause the aesthetics, the end result or the side effects, we're focused on the side effects. So the snatch waste, the, you know, I want to look this particular way. I want to and they're chasing that through diet and exercise and ignoring performance, ignoring energy, ignoring strength, ignoring stamina ignoring how they feel in pursuit of a look and this is backwards. this is a backwards formula The truth is if you focus on improving your fitness and your health The aesthetics always, always follow. You always look better When you improve your health and you become stronger and you improve your stamina, it always follows. What doesn't always follow is when I chase the aesthetics that I get everything else. I don't always get the health. I don't always get the performance and oftentimes I get nothing. I get neither because I'm chasing the wrong thing. We've talked about this. Well. I mean, I think this is the entire fitness space. Yeah. I think that this is it's and I think this is why it's this kind of perpetual cycle is because the people that are communicating the message largely are still cursed by this. You know, driven by our insecurities. stillill the cell. Yeah. Yeah. driven by our insecurities of whether we were the overweight kid or the skinny kid that didn't have muscle, but we're driven by the way we look U And we were so obsessed with that that we got to a place where we now have the aesthetics. We look awesome And then now we communicate health and fitness through that lens to the masses And so we're just breinging vual side effect. Yeah. So we are now just breeding this whole generation of people coming up thinking that this is the pursuit of health and fit. someomeone who's really fit and someone who is really healthy. So someone's really fit and healthy They probably look pretty darn good Okay Somebody who chases the look oftentimes sacrifices health. sacrifices their fitness and the aesthetics don't follow. In fact the aesthetics tend to drop because they become less healthy They lose their performance in pursuit of this look and they get none of it. So it's a tot complete trap. It reminds me of other things we tend to look at and we know this, by the way. we know that there's more value in whats creating the side effect than the effect itself. So for example I don't think it's a mystery that a man who has high net worth is more attractive to a woman But if you took two men with the same net worth and you actually told the women what they did, this guy got it because he's a trust fund baby This guy over here built his business and created it, who do you think becomes far more valuable? We know. becausecause it's really not the money that is valuable. It's really the's the character that character' built through.. I got I got the segue here a little bit. I got the most interesting strangest like compliment or conversation starter I was out with my kids hanging out and this dude Also in his mid forties. probably your bl? No, no. Is it always coming from a deep?'s first of all, I mean, that's how it always makes. That's always. I mean How many we could probably all in this room count on one hand. how many times a woman com remember that Yeah ye. ye Yeah One time old Girl said ahead nice s exactly. I'll never forget it. Yeahes, and I actually started working out. No out I'm out at the park where my kids were hanging out and there's another guy and he's got his kids there and he's in his forties and he's like, Hey, man, and I thought like he's o, he must listen to the show, you know Hey dud he goes Where' you get your your joggers I'm like, oh, these are vorers. Yeah, Th these are vier joggers. She's like,'s the name?m like Sunday joggers? He's like, he's like, those look so good, dude. He's like theyer like outlines youpt telling me how good. He kept telling how good they look, you know, And I got a little uncomfortable. I was like, to hold your package. He's like, I've been looking not that far. Yeah I've been looking for j He's like, I've been looking for joggers that do that that really he's like, do what what are you talking about What' Hug my glutes But he literally's like, give me the name, G me the brand and I'm like, well,', you know, we're sponsored by them. They're not like baggy. This like form fits you. Yeah I gave you more a discount code and everything. So that was pretty funny, but I mean I've never had a man like it's amazing how much they have They have taken over the space. I don't know when the last time Doug checked to upate, I'd be curious to see where the comp com I see everywh else Everywhere everywhere. in fact I would say nine times out of ten if I see a dude wearing joggers or athleesure wear. I think this is almost always The Sunday joggers are is that one of their top stllars it has to be I think so. I think it's definitely what I imagine Yeah. It's still my my core shorts, I think. It's still my favorite. I like the seaside one, That's the other one, right? That's the sweats. Yeah. I like them, but they're so hot.'re warm. They're really cozy magical. And now that's warming up, I'll I wearem all the time. You know, Sunday joggers was is just funny because I have probably ten pairs of those were my original favorite. And then I the metajoggers I moved, that's what I wear now more reallyally? Yeah. they're just a little like I see, they're a little thinner. Yeah Yeah, so they're a stretch. They're both I'd say they're both as breathable though and comfortable. What I like about these is I feel a little more dressed up than I feel in those. Those I feel a little more athletic, workout and more comfy. I worked out this morning this one. Yeah. And so this I feel like I can kind of style up a little bit more, but both are fired Awesome for sure. I gott toa tell you about work. so I don't know if this's gonna to happen or not, but this might be exciting. So I was hanging out, I was with my daughter yesterday And Lacrosse is over, school's done And she I did a work I trained her in the garage. and she hadn't lifted in a little while because during Lacrosse, she couldn't lift that much of her practicing so much And they took a little break trained her and she's commenting on how she feels weak. You know how it is when you get back to working out, you don't feel stable So we're talking, I'm like, And so then An idea came to me And I'm like, this would be such a great and we'll see, I'm not going to push her, but this would be such a great bonding experience but also What I've found is that I have so much more influence with my daughter when I'm training her. It just opens up conversation I think she submits to my authority because she knows I know fitness, which opens up other doors of advice, I guess. Yeah. So it's just a really good like commun time to bond. Yeah. So I'm like, I wonder if she would be down to work out with me in the morning I know. you're thinking early mornings in the mornings on summer, right? No school weekend. Yeah, yeah. It's a big ass. But I know my Yeah. I know my daughter, she's kind of got a similar personality to me. It's like she gets that kind of like Yeah. she wants oess with it she'll do. she's like she's kind of a killer, right? So I go in her room, she's chilling and I'm like, Hey, I'm like, So how Jack you want to get this summer? She goes She looks at me. She goes, Re Jack. I said All right I said If you want to get real Jack, I said, I said, I don't ever do this. I said nobody I don't do this with anybody. I said, but I'll let you work out with me in the morning, but you got to meet me at the gym about six forty five. And do the thing. she's like, Allright, I'll do it. Really? Yeah We'll see though. we'll see. We'll see I'd be really. It's summime,ushing you have to wake up. Yeah. That's not that's like' crazy because I told her, I'm like, it's early. She's like I'll just go home go back to sleep. I'm like, Okaykay, that'sair. Yeah, that's fair. That's f. it' be. Yeah. I get a problem with that workedout. Is that is next year into high school She's a junior next year A j A junior? Yeah You don't know that? No sixteen, bro. Yeah Oh my go. same grade as eighth grade. God, bro I feel like it's been long since I' been with your daughter then dude I've been around her in a long time. Not since she's had her license then. Yeah. I think she' be a junior in high schoolor. Oh my Godd. And then yours are what grades right now? Yeahes, so the same. junior and then eighth grade will be next year for Everet. Oh, Everet's going Ohh, I thought he was going in high school, then He's not one more, onene more, yeah So he'll be they'll be in high school for one year together. Senior and freshman. It'll be interesting. Yeah. Do you think they'll talk to each other? I mean, kind of they already have interactions somewhat on campus, but like It's funny because like some of Everet's friends like they this one kid knows Ethan and doesn't like him. He's like, Oh, that's your brother. like Oh we're getting all this intel, you know, L it's funny because I think he had some Weird interaction with them and doesn't like them and But yeah, it's he's He still looks up to him a lot. like Evet looks up to Ethan a lot. and so it'll be interesting to see him having to drive to school and all that. And then like you know, the crossover of friends doesn't really mesh, but he does have like one or two friends at like Now both you guys were in school with your siblings too, right H school I was for My sister, I believe was a freshman I was a senior. And yours is two years. So my sister and I were two grades apart also. Yeah. Now my poor sister act like I didn't know him though. Y my sister and I. Well my sister and I did not talk in. I would say hi to my sister. We' hang out together, but I would say hi to her and stuff like that But my poor sister, if you talk to her now, She thought my sister was beautiful, very, very pretty girl in high school, especially And she thought She's like, no boys were are interested in her, but it's because I made sure to be tal to her. You' scaing them off. All of them. ' Nobody dared talkouch to my sister so over prrotected. My sister was like we hung out with different clickqus for sure. So my sister was my sister was like the anti C cheerleader jock grou Skaters stoners, like and talk shit about the jococks and and the cheerleaders. And I was thicken to all that, you know, so that was the group that I hung out. Even though I hung out with everybody and I had stoner friends, skay friends, she was particularly part of the group that was super energ. I was kind of in every group, but like mainly jocks but my brother was like super nerd. and so I'd hang out with a lot of nerds as a result just to try to like, you know, relate somewhat is my brother You trying to improve your DEI score Yeah with the nerve that's s just that just I liked a lot of the same thing. that just didn't hang out in those conventions. Do you know what kids are doing right now? Like crazy when our staff is doing even? Hackkey sack. likeike crazy It's everywhere. Yeah, yeah. I saw some kids the other day wearing big ass pants. I'll do that with my kids. I' like I'm looking at them It was outside a church I just saw Hackkey sack. like back. you guys kid right back? hay I'm actually kind of curious to see how happy Yeah. I used to be pretty good at it. I don't know how good I be. See I'm so s we did. I would have loved if I knew how to hack with jump in. This was like how this takes me back to like jump, not having any money as a kid, right? Like we started make your own hackyack? No. Listen to this. We started with ice. Oh you I. Yeah, yeah. So in eighth grade and in my freshman year in high school, we would at lunchtime go get like a cup of, you know, wed go get a drink And then you'd had the ice cubes in there and a guys you'd start to circle, kick it out, and then we we'd hack ice around until we make her way I feel so m. funny. Yeah eventually's like guys, we had a rock. Yeah pretended. I mean eventually somebody some kid shows up and they had a hacky sack, but that was like the go to move was we'd hacky sack ice unt until someone had a hacky sack. That's funn. I'm totally haacky sack. How much they cost? N much. three bucks. But I mean ice was remember those big blocks you could get like seven hundred eleven U we would take those and we go ice blocking on golf cart or golf courses. What is that? You know what that is? No. We used to do that too. Yeah ye Yeah, we'd s on it and put like, you know, like an old t shirt or something over the top of it but you could like slide on top of it, you sit on it or you'd like No way L on it. Yeah. F first time I was arrested was doing that Yeah back first I don't know you first of all, you were arrested. let's let little more about that. Well, o I shouldn't I wasn't booked. You say I was handcuffed. got arst You got arrested? I got handcuffed thrown the back of a cop car and then they just. Yeah scare a bunch of high school kids. 'ause we would do that. We go trespassing. Yeah be we'd be on the golf course and and that was a thing to do. You go out there and now we were also drinking too, which we weren't supposed to be doing bring a case of beer out there. I forget whole How are you Sophomore, junior. No I didn't really start drinking until junior. So junior junor senior high school. Yeah, yeah, junior senior high school. So you' out there drinking beers and sl We had a So one of our close friends had a house on the golf course and his parents used to travel and gone all time. So his house was the house We all met at. That's where we'd show up with the case of beer and the blocks of ice And then he was it was not that far of a hike to what hole, I remember what hole was Hole five or something like that that had the good steep hill Yeah that youd go to. And then we would just youd plop the case of beers down and you just take turns on racing the ice blocks the ice down. And it was a blast. You know what's so funny about that as a dad now as a middle aged dad. If you saw some sixteen year old kids doing that drinking and sliding down ice,' be like Well, you know why? I to kick those? Becauseuse you pay the HOAs on the house kids say that's like your lawn. say When you when you have a house on the golf course, that's like your lawn and you pay top dollar for HOA keep not I get off my lawn, kid. I'm in this weird conundrum now though, because like, you know, I don't want the kids on devices and I don't want them the house And they're exploring and they're going doing stuff with their friends. And so now I'm like, I'm actually giving them ideas that are like, you know kind of suspect a little bit. Like I' like, okay, so here's this one spot where you can get underneath the fence for this quarry and you guys can sandboard down all a sudden What are you doing tell them that? I'm like We do all the time Justin and I think that's my buddy Mike and I talk about this a lot too because he's got his kid is like early years of high school right now too. and H kid he knows that his kids were like addicted to tech. And he goes and I couldn't get my kid to come out in the cars with me. He couldn't get him to do anything. And he finally is into like those electric, you know dirt bikes that are cool. And he's like, he's got a little crew and they mob around all over and Th those things are supposed to be on the street. they get busted. They've beenusted by the car And so he's like, you know, he's torn on this like cracking down on his kid and really being hard on him for doing that. He doesn't want to ground him at the same time too. He's not supposed to do certain things on that But he's like, man, I'd so rather him get in trouble. even with the cops who are like busting him for driving on the road when he's not supposed to then him being cooked of the house and just being on tag. And I agree. I to him They're like at the point now where they want to sleep out in the forest and this and that and like Courty he's like, freak I'm like, yes. them do that. Like they need to do they need to explore like they need to have like these like adventures. It's true. Dude you guys I this is not connected what you guys saying but youre reminding me of Do you guys hear about the Lostcotess mom that got Yeah No p it up She just got like b. Was it forty years or something? all was that that was partying with all the lacottles party. It's been going on for a minute. Yeah, she they just came down on her. Like she' been in court and I think she got a big jail She got a big jail sentence. Yeah. She did. I saw when that case first came up. And so she got It in our nebor. It's right in our backyard. And I guess she was hosting parties with kids, highigh school kids. She would let them drink. and let them do things that were a bit prov provocative. I guess a few girls felt like they were sexually harassed or that's why she got in trouble. was that part right? Well, also you're serving kids alcohol were underage. One of the parents knew. Yeah, but see, I'm torn on that, right? 'cause I had, I don't know if you guys had a hat. Like one of my buddies, Kinney, his parents We're cool like that. We that they they were home. I think it was the sex stuff. w That's hard That's why I think too because no, that's the part that really got in. That's why I think so and that that's obviously not that's way not appropriate. But I'm also I thought his parents were so cool like that. we never fucked up and got in trouble doing stupid because we were so appreciative that they allowed us to come to the house and do that. They would take all of our keys You couldn't drive anywhere and stuff. you also gott to understand, like if if someone lets their kids stay at your house Yeah and the parent doesn't know that they're letting them drink. Yeah even if they don't get a car accident anything, it doesn't matter. You you get big trouble son. Well so I have a buddy and I can I' be pissed. Ion't sell them out, but they a lot of times are the house that allows to do that. But they also talk to all the parents before they do that.' different.' like Hey, your son' sitting hi There's an agreement, yes if I sent my kid to a house and I didn't know that their were parents were Oh my Godd, I'd be Oh, I know. I'd. Did you find out what her prison sentence was like? Oh, yeah, thirty five years. Yeah. thirty. ten months. had have been sexual stuff. There was Oh definitely. that had She was like getting them super drunk and then they're having them per Right. She was encouraging them She was. She was I think I remember reading the article like she would get them drunk and then she would you we should kiss him What is it with this wave of women that are doing this? All these female teachers that are doing stuff for kids and all these like used I don't gu. I don't think it's a wave. I think it's just people are now talking. I think back in the dayays in the open. Yeah.. like it was underground. I think a lot more back in the day. I just don't think it would be common. 'cause I know percentage wise it's typically Like man or the Predator in that case. Yeah. But I keep seeing reports of like female teachers and like moms. I what do you guys doing strange. I think nobody sa. I think with with phones It's so much easier to get caught up. W proof that stuff like that is happening and sharing and talking and all that stuff like that is now documented versus word of mouth of like, hey, you know, Miss. Johnson had a party lou. like that's how it would be in the past where now it's like Texes and photos and videos and well it's thinking back though it's like I knew at least two or three dudes that like had, you know, relations with a teacher. No way. Oh yeah. Yeah. And C to Chis, dude Kate one of the best nes This guy one of the best nick nes were Karateers. up I could throw in a Chr nobody knows. I't know who Karate Christ. No becausecause I had a karate crris that went to my school was the kid at recess was like practicing karate, but You know what I'm saying? Yeah Like you know, older guy show shadow box My brother knew him, that's all I'm gonna say Yeah, he's the guy that would like go buy like nunchucks and all this and he was like really into weapons.. So I nickname him a Cry to Chris And you find out later, you know, like him and this like science teacher and I'm like, w But he he was like that kid that kind of matured a little early had like a beard in sixth grade and like You know So I think, you know, that whatever It was but yeah, it happened. So that's the thing. It's like it was sort of like not talked about. but I think now well, I had a funbody when I weose it up. We were sixteen sixteen and seventeen when I got him a job at the dery and Oh he was sleeping with the boss's wife. Oh my She was thirty and he was sixteen. That's horrible. And that was That's horrible. you know God, that's horrible. Well was Imagine the husband, yeah, finding out, oh God,'s like there's like levels to. I don't even know if he ever did or not, to be honest. I know they divorced. I mean, if they knew who you are and they listen to this episode. W, b. it's whole. what I'm saying had lo divorce, remarried and stuff like that. I wouldn't put that stuff out there. That was a long time ago. It was thirty years ago, My husand called me after this. She' bet you cry craz Yeah That's my buddy. he worked this out. was in his mood. like but youre that kid celebrated just like my b my buddy was. he's not that's not like, oh my God, she did it's still No. Yeah you guys likeike he was like he had he had he used to keep the letters that she used to write him. Oh my God. and bring him to school.s to making me so uncomfortable It's wild. You know why, you know what's crazy about this? because I know and I definitely think there's a difference between a girl and a boy in that situation. I do think there's a difference. I think so too. But it's very damaging still for boys. Well there's a huge difference because a six my buddy, o, even though he's only sixty seventeen wasas squatting three hundred pounds could bench press two hundred twenty five. If he wanted to throw her off, Yeah absolutely could But even that's a huge difference. a thirty year old man with that young of a girl there is a difference. We know this instinctively. We know this. it's still damaging. It's still damaging. likeat likeike you have a sixteen year old son. Yeah. And So here's the problem. The problem is as grown manen, we can't put ourselves into the mind of a sixteen year old because we think of ourselves now But imagine if like' sixteen year old, you found out. One of your friend one of his friend's moms was hooking up with your kid. You'd be furious. ye. You'd be furious because she's a grown ass adult. likeike what are you doing to my kid? Yeah. And it does cause it still causes damage. It's stillillegal. So God. Yeah, yeah. God Yeah the sports events will be. It different So so uncomfortable. I wanted to I wanted to finish the GLP one talk. I didn't want to you knew you're on your fitness talk, but meant to tell you something else that was a part of this. like Tking to everybody. You know the other thing that I found out that's like happening like crazy? and I don't know why. Of course I should have thought of this. I talk a lot about how similar The peptide space is to the how was the chemistry So many parallels. Yeah. One of the other crazy parallels that I remember was clubs because of all the taxes and all things like that. like The prices that we had to run cannabis for were so high that it also drove the black market. Sure, rightight And so The black market and peptides is reaching the average person now like. Is it grreay market or black market? Well So what they're doing it's gray. Well, is it research chemical it' I think it's black because you're buying from a gray and then you're reselling like not legitimately, which make you black market. because I so what's happening are these average people that are not Like legitit big companies, pharma regulations. Yeah, peopleople hustling that have got lots of friends that are asking emulgy ones. They have got connections and they're buying in bulk off the gray market. from China Yes, from China. And they're getting these GLP ones for, say, one hundred and something dollars a vial, turning around selling them for do or five hundred dollars a vial ' Moneros was like a thousand dollars for so And people are buying it up like crazy. And so these people are making you know, thousands of dollars on the side hustl into their friends, GLP ones And that know how hard it is to buy bulk research peptide from China. Not hard Not hard. Yeah. people I was people I was taled to more wasn't what are they doing? They're just buying it and're parsing it out and No, I think they're getting it ready to go in the bottles and everything like that. They just have to they just have to send it right over to the people. What's crazy about that is you're injecting. I mean, I understand taking a pill off the gray market. are injecting yourself with something No bothoth are scary. sketchy. Both sketchy. both still. Both are sketchy. That's wild. Yeah, it is. And so that's so that's that's growing. Oh, big time. It can beurn. And that was that was some of those conversations were that were like There was a third there was a third party, I can't remember. I got to find the link that did that tested a bunch of research chemical companies that sold peptides. ninety two percent of them came back. It was our guy is legit ninety two percent came back is legit. Oh Now they showed this as a success. Yeah, but I'm like eight percent still came back as something else. Like that's kind of crazy. Be you know, FDA regulates a one hundred percent. Yeah one hundred percent But it's still better than I thought it would be. Now I would imagine Phil went did the same thing and he said like more than half came up. That's what he said. Yeah. I'd like to see that. He went Yeah, I mean you can access it. told He said, I'll show it to you. So he's got he's got a bunch and he went through a lot of the like most reputable gray ones too. It's not like he just did. I mean, these are like random Joe Smows that are just getting from China. We're not talking about like people that have like become brands online and actually probably have a legal team and some things in place. Like we're talking about friends that are just like hustling it. Like this is black market. This is buying from gray market. in bulk Turning around selling to your family and friends for a four x multiplier and hust want it All day long. Yes, That's good Margin.ch. Yeah, crazy raays. That's crazy. Yeah. I got a study on resistance training I want to talk. It's a more recent study And I like this one because they compared resistance training to aerobic exercise and then they compared it to no exercise. So here's what they did. They took three hundred and four adults, okay, between twenty to seventy four who followed a low calorie diet, saw these people ate in a calor deficit And some of them did resistance training Some of them did aerobics exercise and some of them didn't know exercise. but they were all in a cer deficit Here's what they found This was a long study, by the way. this was done for let me see. They checked it at five months So it's a long study. Yeah. Resistance training produced the greatest reduction in fat mass Similar weight loss In other words, the people who did aerobic training and the people who did resistance training Similar weight loss on the scale, but resistance training lost more body fat and gained a little bit of muscle Rzaerobics training lost muscle with body fat So now we have another study comparing head to head strength trained to cardi cardia for fat loss. And we've said this before that bunnies. Both are valuable. So I'm not gonna say they're not valuable. bothoth are valuable. If you want stand and endurance, aerobics exercise is phenomenal. Sure. If want If you have to just pick one and your goal is fat loss. The right tool though. Resistance trains the best. That's why for what? Superior. For fat loss, it's terrible. That's why I stand by what we've said for since day one is like cardio is terrible fat loss Its great for cardiovascular health and endurance and stamina and like and so it has its benefits, but it's like it's the wrong tool. If you want fat loss. You want to get shredded. You want to look good. That's your goal, which by the way, is like the goal of like ninety percent of the people that listen and that buy programs or that get a personal trainer is I want to look better. If that's the case, it's a terrible tool. And so it's wild how much how that's still the the button that I like it It's a large stuff. It's just these weird trainers areers. Our trainers are just a trainer, not our trainers, but train me No ones that are ye. I was in it's like so hard for me to work out and watch this happen because I just you I'm in the gym and I'm working out and you know twenty person class comes in And it is a massive They are doing these Side shuffles to the next station which is walking lunges to the next station, which is farmer Cries to the next station, which is Burpees, which is the next station, which is lap pullown with it and it's just a nonstop twenty minute nonstop bus and twenty people through all it I'm going like circuit of madness. Oh my God, like these if these people only knew They could have spent ten minutes doing two really good exercises like squats and trraditional strength training. Yeah. better results Or if that's all you want to get, you could have not signed up for the class and just done jumping jacks the whole time. Yeah And got you'll get the same results J just hard hard to watch. I know. hard, hard to watch and see all these people in there going like, man, they would just benefit doing a doing two good compound lifts with rest periods, spend half the time in the gym and get triple the results from what they're doing. I know. Yeah. All I want to talk about we had somebody write in and talk about one of the benefits they got from improving their liver enzymes. I didn't realize, well, I did realize but when they talked about it I looked it up. You know what? onene of the number one signs that your liver is a little overloaded is? skin changes Itchy skin, acne, dark patches on your skin. So I recommended, of course, dose, or they used dose, I should say.. got their liver enzymes better and saw improvements in their skin. But know I knew this about liver enzymes. when they're elevated, you can get itchy skin. But realize contribute to things like acne and dark patches. I just recommended a dose to two of my friends this weekend. so I can't wait to hear I have two friends. I'd consider healthy. One guy looks like lean and I would have never guessed he had high cholesterol. And then another one had them with the cholesterol version. Yes. Both of them both healthy guys. bothoth healthy, active guys, but one of them I know genetic runs in their family high cholesterol Both is parent on both sides And so he's like, man, I just got the shitty jean pour, what like that. But a good eater, you know H he's a wine drinker, not crazy, but like, you know, healthy, fit active U and then the other one doesn't run in his family and he's lean And I was super surprised that he had that also. So both of them give a couple recommendations on the diet U as far as like what back off a little bit of the red meat. Well we're, how many weeks in are we into your experiment, Doug? I think I'm about ten days to fourteen days in. And you're gonna do thirty days or six days? I think it's twenty four doses. Okay. I'm doing three bottles and I think eight doses per day. you did your blood test, you do it again and we get the improvement I'll follow my two buddies too to see if they got it. I still have about almost a bottle and a half. So I must be about halfway through this. Oh good. Yeah. And then you could do the blood test, and we'll see the difference Yeah, I'm gonna do it as soon as I get through the protocol here. That's awesome. Don't let me forget, I'll follow up with my guy because I literally two people I recommended with this weekend. and so I'm curious if they bought it already. And I want to know if that makes a difference just doing that with some diet changes. All right, I got some investment stuff, Adam that I think you would def find pretty. Okay. let's Be you know, we talk about off air, we're not an investment podcast, but off air, we like talk about stuff like this. Yeah. We don't act like we know what we're doing Yeah. Beuse normally we don't. let's be honest. I'm not going to give it ad. say things. I remember when we were more open, sorry to cut you off, it just reminds me of like when we were talking a little bit more about that, like how many people were asking me for like stock picks listen do not listen to me about stock picks. I just be telling you right now This is have no idea Yeah like you what' doing. So if five years ago You bought the average house in San Jose. So this area very expensive.. You know the real estate market here is always high appreciation. doing everything Yeah. So five years ago you bought the average house here or you took that money and bought an index fund In the stock market. Just an index fund. Yeah. what's the difference? About twenty two percent on the index fund on the housing market, probably twelve to fifteen Correct with the house, one hundred percent increase on the index. hundred You would double your money. Oh, you definitely chose the date. that was perfect. So you would have doubled your money if you just bought Now why this infuriates me, which other people who probably invest also is because I try to pick stock And all of them perform worse than if I just buy a freaking. So you know what I did today? I literally did this today. And I did in my son's portfolio because I still could be better at that. And then I'm gonna follow mine after I talked to my tax guy with some stuff Uh, I sold off all all my bullshit Sold everything off your bed. I sold all my all the all of my son's yes, all of them. Sold them all off literally today. So I'll check the account. I think it'll be I'll be it'll be available for me to move tomorrow And then I've already it's all going straight in. Nos Yeahah, but I mean, no, this is my son's doing this in I figurered I'd start with his first and then'm going I'm going to move all of it into an index fund and I'm just gonna auto. not going to look anymore. I'm not gonna to pick anymore. I'm just gonna leave it for this exact conversation. What's your? I was just wondering if they specified which index, was a single index? QQ was wanted do whichich is a little tech he. They all they all, though, I've looked at all of them. They're all right around the same. You know, if you think the economy is going to grow, then index funds are pretty much a good, you know, a good a good deal. The argument for against them. I get it because what you just did to, by the way, so the I know I picked the last Y. Well you also we also you probably picked buying at the lowest five years ago whatever date you chose twenty twenty one would have been. Yeah, yeah. So whatever it was when it was at a peak low if you bought and then you wrote it to write now, which is one of the highs It has that. But if you bought say, u sayay maybe two years before that when it was at the top right before it crashed, it wouldn't have one hundred percent retain. So it does so a lot of those things can be skewed a little bit like to make We should look up like twenty years ago, thirty years ago Yeah's a difference. Yeah. because that timing is everything. Ting is huge. L So part of what like I'm a little nervous about doing this and I'm just like, whatever, this is a long place for my son. That's why I'm starting with it Am I buying the index towards the top right now? and then we're going to go on So two, three years three Yeah. And then I'm like Like in two thousand eight, I think the S and P five hundred went down forty percent. I mean, no exactly. no matter what. And so right. if you bought right before that, if you went all in like I'm doing right now, But right after that, you did really good Yeah, then you look at then you look brilliant and get one hundred percent returns like that' fif thing You know why I knew those stats before you setem, even though I was wrong on the stock one It's supposed to be twenty percent is like what the with the last couple year. I think or last year it was Um Graham Stefan is a kid that I watch. He's not a kid anymore, I've been watching him for years that talks investment. he he started his real estate first and he has a bunch of real estate properties. Last year, he sold Ory he's in the middle still of selling all of his real estate portfolio and going all into index funds. And he's his is one all of his real estates in California. And he's trying to do some A toU stuff. He's got Rnt control is. So he's got all these things. and he goes between all those headaches, And he bought early so he's made good equity. He's like even with all the equity that I've made and cash flow on rental income, he goes the amount of headaches that I dealt with And the percentage that I've actually made, he goes that same money index because he's done both. He goes, just destroyed it. He goes, whyy am I putting up with all those headaches? my family? When I could can park it in there Now I have a different opinion and why I fought for us so much on the real estate side is like I like having tangible assets for this, Eespecially all this with family. tootally and kids. likeike if shit got really bad You can't your kid can't go live in your Google stock. No, You know what I'm saying? But your kid could go live in one of our properties. Yeah they kick someone out.. That might be hard. Well, that the states that we're in.. So you know what I'm saying? So like there is that part is like I value having the tangible the say here. But you're you're right. I mean, the the index fund is just done But like an idiot, I've treated it like gambling. I know. That was my My logic was two years ago I said, okay, enough of the sports gambling. I've been doing so much I do with Stocks and I've been doing stocks and said, I'm pretty sure I'm better at sports thinking events. I betterurns. I think I got better returns My gambling on sports than I did on stocks. So another learning lesson I you got insider information Which by the way, Trump does that all the time. He'll give you insider. You guys should buy IBM the families what are you doing bro? By the way, do you guys see the alien. gov website? What now? I think did you see what they have up on there? Let me see if it's still there We'll see if it's still there. Doug, look it up and then there's a video We'll confirm if it's real because I saw this I saw this on X a couple days ago Post postedember that had like a video No't watch That's it. Okay That's say it. I want you I want Adam to see it. Let see I because I think you might have seen it I may have seen. Yeah I'm trying. This is the this is the government alien. Like they own alien Dot Gv. so No, there's nothing coming up there Yeah, definitely. ye Yeah, no problem. Cstructing the narrative as we speak. Yeah Yeah, dude, because they're going to be releasing more More stuff. Sure. way more. so the disclosure movie with Steven Spielberg, I guess is coming out soon. I'm gonna watch that, which yeah is interesting. Why are they linking that up to the disclosures? They're trying to say something like. I don't know if he's like revealing something within that movie maybe So here it is, let's see. It almost came up, Doug. It came up for a second. and then oh, you got on the other TV. There we go The walk This is on the alien. govot Yeah, For sixty years, the US government has kept a closely guarded secret. There's a video, right?? Yeah They're trying to say like there's always been hybrids No no No, dude. There's supposed to be a video on there Why does that look so analog? They do, no, scroll up, sccroll up. Okay, so you gott to read this. For sixty years, they've kept a secret. Aliens have been walking among us, living in our neighborhoods and interacting with us in our daily lives They've shopped in the same stores, canan you scroll down Al attended the same classes as our children and live seemingly normal human existence. With one exception, they do not belong here Millions arrived under the cover of darkness and emedded themselves directly Millions countountless presidents, congressmen and senior officials knew exactly what was happening instead of protecting American citizens They chose to coverred up and even accelerate the invasion until one man finally had the courage to tell the truth Donald J. Trump. Sut hold up, hold up, scroll down There's supposed to be a video, Doug. if you scroll down. Okay Let me see if I can riculous. Tell me this How much did money did this cost? T me not set the state. You remember I called this on the podcast, it's not gonna to show. can I'll give you I'll give you that finger. Yeah. So you read all that? Yeah. And it looks like it's like a person' silhouette and then They an alien spaceship picks it up and then puts it over a wall Yeah and drops it off. We're talking about aliens Like illegal aliens. L is. 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I was a college athlete and I retired from competing a little over a year ago After I finished, I began pursuing heavy lifting In in about six months, I increased all my numbers substantially on all my big lifts I was honestly, I was moving more weight than I had ever done before R Yeah, I was doing really good until last August, I got really sick. put me out for a few weeks Once I started getting better, M most of my main symptoms ultimately resolved. I began experiencing a lot of numbness and tingling and All of my limbs, but about ninety percent of it was concentrated in my left arm. So this was really strong for about A few days. and then after that it was just kind of on and off for a few weeks The numbness eventually resolved. I began trying to train again. Almost instantly, I noticed a Dcrease in strength and pushing motions in tricep exercises specifically. It was like I lost over a hundred pounds on my bene, you know, like within those was three weeks and my left side just couldn't do like just wasn't able to do anything I was really super busy with school and work around this time, so I didn't really think too hard about it. I just figured I was out of shape, hadn't been doing it for a while. so I just kind of I brush it off So for a couple months, I just kept lifting didn't really seem to be making any progress, especially left arm wasn't really able to make any progress there And then eventually I noticed there was definitely a size difference between the two arms So I just kind of started hammering away the left arm because I didn't realize there was a true issue. And so I figured I just need a change in programming. I actually ran maps strong because I was like, I just need something new. I want to do push it a little bit, but didn't really get any gains in the pushing. So February started noticing Tingling was returning in the arm, finally had enough after that. and so I went to the doctor doctor referred me to a neurologist, saw PC, a chiropractor PT and chiropractor couldn't figure it out finally went to the neurologist. he got an EMG So revealed I have a pinch in my elbow and neck. and so the options I was given there were to just wait it out and do some PT, see what happens I could do an MRI for more info or see a see a surgeon for a possible nerve release in the elbow, so I chose to just Weaighted out and CPTs that seemed like the most affordable option, honestly And so the new peopleT who I'm seeing thinks that I have a it's disc related. And so It's just been so many months now. I'm not really sure what to do exactly. I feel like it some days it's improving. I feel like maybe I have a little bit of contractability back, but I'm not really sure what to do with my trining right now. I'm worried that I'm going to make it worse. PT doesn't want me to do anything crazy like that to increase axial load right now, so I'm not doing heavy squats, overhead work or anything like that right now not really sure what my next move should be regards to training and in general because I do have a pretty major strength and balance and pushing between the left and the right right now and I can't seem to Be necess really not sure what to do about it. Okay. All right, let's back up for a second, Aidan. So what was it that you had when you got really sick A actually a mono. Okay. And the numbness you had after these shortly after the mono symptoms started to subside? Yeah, it was really strong. It was like I started feeling good and then all of a sudden it hit. I almost went back to the doctor because thought it might have been something more serious related to it, but it kind of went away. correlation with Mo? Yeah. So and then when you had the numbness, I know a lot of it was concentrated on the left side, but you felt kind of all over Yeah, I initially I did feel it u a good amount in my left leg, my right arm, but like I said, about ninety percent of it was just in this arm. Okay. And what sport did you play when you were in college I a swimmer? Okay. so so there's two possibilities here possibility one is that the nerve impingement is the issue Possibility two is that the nerve impingement would have been there had they imaged you before you felt any symptoms because you're an athlete It's actually not that uncommon. Same thing with disc issues And what you're actually experiencing is an autoimmune response from the mono infection. U and so now I'm not a doctor. Yeah. and I'm not a doctor, but I'm I'm going to lean more in that direction because the symptoms occurred. Right after mono infection. And they did occur bilaterally. Yeah. So although now it seems to be isolated to the left side, you kind of felt it all over initially So that's the that's the direction that I would look And what I would look so what can happen sometimes is if the viral load stays relatively high So Mano iss an interesting, u infection And you can get all kinds of weird effffects from it The most common ones are the ones we know about like fatigue and General Malise But you can't have kind of lingering issues with the virus that causes you know with that virus And so I would look at reducing viral load or looking at looking at that in a in that direction. So you might want to meet with a viologist bring this up to them. because here's the thing with imaging Eespecially with athletes If I put an athlete in an MRI or a scan I'm almost always going to see something here And sometimes it causes symptoms and a lot of times it doesn't. Yeah, like you said Uh so, so that's that's that's where I would look The other direction I would look would be at peptides that help modulate the immune system So this would be things like thymus and alpha. PC one fifty seven and maybe even Thymus and beta As far as training is concerned Definitely train at a moderate intensity at most. Yeah moderate intensity like symmetry, right? Yeah. because I think it's smart to train unilaterally. like Adam just said symmetry, we'll send you that program. I think that's smart I don't think you should get after it because if I'm right, getting after it's going to make this worse If they're right and it is in fact just the impingement It's also going to make it work keep it moder. So whichever way you look at it, I would go moderate intensity. I would train unilaterally G see a urlologist and then look into peptides. We'll send you a link to the people that we work with at nphormones. com because you're going to see all kinds of places you can get peptides A lot of them are what are called gray market. It's actually black market. It' you know, or you can go through actual medical professionals And you're injecting yourself with like stuff that's made in FDA regulated phharmacy which is where I would highly recommend. that you do The other things you could do include sauna Red light therapy a supplement with vitamin D. G good sleep and get sunlight. These are all things that can help with reducing immune response and helping with viral load Right, Okaykay. Yeah, we actually have a juve, so I'll actually I'll get on that. Yes. So and you can you can use it on the whole body. So now here's here's a crazy thing with with the with mono and some of the lingering symptoms, they can last a while. for some people So yeah, so but most people it resolves most people resolves within months Some people get the weird like fatigue symptoms For a year. Yeah, a year. Now you had it for a few weeks I actually know someone who had it for a year. They were exhausted for a year. so it can be weird. Yeah, no, that's what the neurologist also thought it could possibly be viral related as well Um I don' know it's just crazy to think it's been like eight months now and it still could be causing me issues. Yeah, It's not super crazy, dude. Look up mono look up long like lingering mono online And you'll see' a lot of people who have who've had that before Like I said, so it's not super crazy. The good news is, you know, ninety nine point nine percent of time It'll resolve, but I definitely go to MP hormones Talk with them and then say, look, I' like I need I need I want to look at peptides to reduce inflammation and to help my immune system becausecause I think I may I may be having kind of some autoimmune issues related to a mono infection eight months ago. And then they'll be able to recommend the right ones. Okaykay? Yeahah, no, I can definitely do that. Yeah And then I'd like to hear back from you, dude, because I don't like ending calls like this with mystery. Yeah. I want to see what happens. So can we have you on in like a couple months again? Yeah, no, for sure. Cool And I'm going tond I'm going to send symetry foollow that program for now Yeah and just moderate intensitying mododerate intensity, bro. justust go to the gym just to feel good. You don't like. Yeah, don't go crazy. It's gonna I know it's frustrating because you you're an athlete and so you probably don't know what the hell it feels like to work out at moderate intensity. But just just chill for a second. But we'll get to the bottom of this. buildu better recruitment patterns. so really just be intentional with your mechanics and you know, Yep Yeah and hit after that and hit the saun at post workout after every workout Also, I do feel like it altered my recruitment pattern a little bit. Like every time I go to hit anything like chest press wise, it feels like my dell just wants to completely take over. Yeah. so let's address that. So if you have any kind of immune issue or you know, related to the virus that's affecting your nervous system, that's what it's gonna to feel like So just so you know like you may have in fact had this kind of impingement issue for a long time But because now things are inflamed, it's concentrated in those areas. Does that make sense? It it's like you' susceptibleough This is This is my theory, But I think it's weird that this all happened when you had Mono. I think that that's a strange coincence.. Yeah. that's why I'm That's why I for sure. That's why I would look in that direction. Yeah, not for sure All right, dude All right ye Yeah. now I'll do that stuff Yeah. Thankks guys. days dude man. It was been awesome. Thank you. for gotght it Yeah, that's to me, it's like the big clues are it happened when I had Mono. Yeah and I felt it all over. And then it got concentrated to this other area. I think it's a valid theory, dude. Likes especially I've known people with Mono and it has taken about a year for them to f year, dude. Crazy dude. it probably doesn't help too when you have these bouts where alsodden you start to feel good and then you push it, which you know is what he's done, right? Yeahike he starts to feel a little good and then he probably hits it hard and then it comes back and bothers him again. And so I'm sure that exacterates. I told you guys about my cousin He was he had all these weird symptoms of pain He thought it was from Ju Jitsu, couldn't figure it out, going to PT. and he got worse He's like, I can't sleep This is wild. what's going on? I can't I can't believe did I actually hurt myself this bad? And it was like in random places, areas he was susceptible, but still it was like all over. Yeah And we were talking and he was telling me about his daughters were real sick and then after that and I'm like, wait a minute, did you start feeling stuff right around after the And so I'm like, what kind of illness did they have And I'm like dude, was that virus. that's a childhood disease You didn't get it when were kid And this what looks like an adult. we looked it up sure enough. Yeah. That's what it was. And it took months. took months, and it went away. Yeah Our next caller is Jamie from Oklahoma. Hi, Jamie. How you doing Jamie?i. Oh my gosh, I'm so nervous. So's Justin. This is so exciting. Don't worry. I have to tell you that I found you originally on Facebook and I was getting these like thirty second to a minute, you know videos. And I noticed y'all were sitting in front of microphones and I thought, I wonder if they're actually recording a podcast. Lo and behold, I found hours and hours and years and years that I can lots of lot that I can binge listen to now. so I'm so excited. Thank you so much. so much for taking my call. Yeah, you got it. How can I help you So I'll just read my email. I made a little bit of some updates in it too. but hi Mindpunk team. My name is Jamie and I'm a forty two year old wife, mom and longtime fitness enthusiast I recently found your podcast and I'm completely obsessed and listen voraciously whenever I get a chance Some backstory, I'm just shy of five eleven and I'm about one hundred and thirty one pounds. I've been a group fitness instructor for fourteen years I teach a class just once per week and it's a dance strength class. I used to be an avid runner averaging about forty miles per week. which I know is too much, but I was using running as a way to purge calories I struggled for about ten years with anorexia and over exercise I even was diagnosed with osteopenia a few years ago. but have come back out of that by focusing on my diet and a good calcium supplement. A running injury plus the osteopenia diagnosis finally woke me up that what I was doing wasn't healthy. I currently eat about ninetine hundred calories a day and I know I probably need more than that to properly fuel my body, but I'm scared of weight gain on the scale. I consistently eat one hundred fifty to two hundred grams of protein per day and I have for about eighteen months I started really focusing on strength training about six months ago My goal is to build muscle and look sculpted and toned I'm currently strength training about five days per week with two of those days being about fifteen minutes and the other three about forty five minute sessions I use the elliptical machine three days a week and I teach my strength dance class once per week. I consistently get at least ten to twelve thousand or more steps per day on average I would really like to grow my glutes, but I've been struggling with inner thigh pain that never goes away Even when I take more days off my leg workouts, it's like my inner thighs never recover I know this pain's holding me back from progressing in my lifts as I feel the pain doing squats, deadlifts, and even hip thrusts. I've seen some strength gains, but I am thinking you're going to tell me I'm not eating enough to keep growing muscle, which is why I've stalled out in progressing further. Should I switch to using dumbbells or a kettlebell for my squats since this would be a lighter weight? I would love your thoughts about this pain that's holding me back and what I should do diet training wise to really grow significant muscles and some advice on one of your programs that I should try as well Okay Let's start by saying you're doing a good job, you're moving in the right direction what you came from where you're at and where you're going is obviously in the right direction But I think your intuition is spot on. We're going to tell you not only do you need to feed more, you also need to reduce what we're probably doing too. So a combination of the two of them Okay And I'm more than likely this this if you have the ability to outsource this where somebody else is kind of guiding you through it, would highly recommend that just because we've got a lot of experience with helping people through this process And this is not like an X is and n's or just a formula in numbers. Y The psychology of it is the most difficult part. It's like You're probably a very disciplined person. I'm sure you're intelligent. You understand the health and fitness. you've been in it for a long time. You already knew what we're probably going to say to you. It's more of letting go and letting somebody else kind of guide you through that. That would be my advice Jamie, I just want to thank you for calling in because that's really tough and just talking a little bit about your past U So if it's okay, do you mind if I ask you some direct questions That's just fine. Okay. you're a mom I'm a mom, yes, of two kids. Two kids. Okay, so I want you to pretend like you're as I'm talking to you, like you're talking to your own child. Be that's's going to help with this. Okaykay Because of your background with anorexia, over training over dieting This process is going to be simple in terms of its prescription, but it's going to be really hard It's gonna to be so so hard When the scale and how you look or even control, these are the big factors that tend to play a role in all of this When those are elevated too high U like it's something that you're worshiping. A lot of sacrifices are made to that false God And the sacrifices look like health They look like family, they look like sanity They look like a lot of things that you're sacrificing on the altar of the scale and maybe the mirror and those types of things in control Okay U And I'm sure that's resonating with you It's really hard. It's really hard to break free from it. You probably do a really good job of taking care of everybody else but you can't do that very well if you're not. Taking care of yourself I know the wake up call was osteo porosis But I'm sure if you look back, Now that you're kind of seeing things a little differently probably a lot of signs that led up to that that maybe weren't as jarring that you may have ignored So we're ad bit of a crossroads Totally fixable. Totally fixable But you're looking at about six months to a year of it's going to be really hard You can't weigh yourself. because I know what that'll do to you You can't focus on the mirror It's not about control. So what Adam said, the reason why what Adam said is so valuable is because part of this process is going to be letting go of the control. It's really hard Sper hard. It's super anxiety inducing. It really sucks to let somebody else tell you what to do and then you just do it But it's within about six months to a year What it's going to look like is this. at first, you're going to be like, cool, I'm going to do this Th thenen it's going to be like this is scary, then it's gonna be like I don't want do this anymore I don't want to do this anymore. Okay, but I'm going to keep trying. And then it's going to be like Wait a minute, I feel More energy Oh my God, I'm feeling more clarity This is starting to change how my relationship is with these things And then it's going be like this is different And I like this. And I don't think I ever want to go back. That's the typical process with a lot of bumps in the road along the way Okay. So I think your coach would be super valuable for you. And here's what they're going to tell you to do, okay You're going to drastically reduce your activity Walking is fine Probably no cardio, strength training is going to look like half of what you're currently doing. and yes, your calories are going to have to go up All those things are going to have to happen And depending on your comfort level and honesty. that might be a little stepping problem. You got toa be super honest with your coach. likeike super honest. Like you gott to donon't just go along with what they say because they're telling you if you know you're not going to do it. So if they say to you, we got to bump your calories, four hundred calories and cut your cardio and you're making that face inside. And you're like, Yeah, I know you're saying that, but there's no way in hell, I'm gonna to do that. You tell your coach, Okaykay, I can do one of those that I can't do both or whatever. And then if you mess up because you're messing up may look like this and may look like I know they said I to eat twenty thousand three hundred calories, but today I'm going to bring it down to nineteen hundred because I'm feeling a little puffy or you know, I know they said no elliptical, but I'm going to get on there just because I feel good You're going to want to not tell your coach But you should tell them And our coaches are trained very well at working through these things. And so you're just going to get a lot of grace and maybe some comeub step step back and then moving forward. But it's going to be a tough process, but you're at the right place. you're calling in, you're actually saying the right things. step.. So I have a lot of hope for what this is going to look like for you moving forward. The the end of this, you're going feel so much different. J. So much better So much better. Energy, strength, ass, all those things. It's all coming your way, Jamie. Let do one thing. It's all coming your way. I got you gott to trust us though. I think the pain in your inner thighs has less to do with muscle recruitment patterns and correctal exercise and more to do with over training and under ereatatinging. one hundred percent. Okay. Y, yeah. ye. All that stuff's gonna to get better. Yeahep to recover I have been increasing my calories about fifty every week just because I'm so scared of like the huge jump. Is that something I should keep doing? There's two Yes. So here's what a coach will coach you through because there's two things we need to consider with that What's optimal And what is going to work for Jamie? Yeah So optimal, Id bump you five hundred calories today Is that going to freak you out so much that you just don't want to call me back? Maybe. So then we're going to back off because the goal is to get you there is optimal is what's going to work you should adhere to it. This is what this is what I meant too by. this is not just simply like an ex's nose or a numbers thing. This is this is going to be a process. It's going to be a coach Sing one thing one week and you have a great week. Th can have some tough weeks And so I don't know if you've been listening to current episodes or not where I've shared my journey with Karine, right? So I don't know if you've heard those But little bit Yes. You're talking about an experienced, brilliant trainer and coach and because this is a past history and I'm trying to take her up in Calories. This is a lot of our conversations and's and you know, she'll be the first one to tell you. It's not easy. And even having all the answers and she knows what to do, yet still leans on me all the time. And there's a lot of times where I have to let I to back off a little bit. I push her And then I could tell she's having some issues struggling, frustrated, some of that. Then I give her a diet break. We break for a week or two, Then I get back at it again. And so there's a lot of that talk back and forth. And it's not it's not whether she knows what to do or not. it's just simply having someone to kind of guide her through that process. And just so you know, J'll be similar. What you're experiencing and your challenges are so common in the fitness industry very common. Its actually it's actually more common than not So so in you wor in the fitness industry is like, yeah, of course. like almost every trainer I talked to at one point had this kind of struggle. So Buts it's solvable, totally a solvable Okay I also recently had a DExA scan done and they put me at twenty point nine percent body fat. Is that something that I can stay at, do you think? Does it need to go higher? Yeah, no, you gott to get out of that mentality right now. Yeah, it doesn't matter right. There's two things that don't matter right now. The scale and your body fat percentage. Yeah. I don't care I do not care So and I would tell you this is a coach. You're probably going to gain some body fat. That's what we want. Initially, Yeahah. You're probably going to get And so I know if that's scary, I want you to make peace with it. that that's probably going to go. But honestly, I wouldn't even let you Dex this scan I don't care I just want to see strong' getting. That's what I'm going to pay attention. That was one of the bigg mistakes I did with Carin. As I let her Dexas sc and our body fat percentage went up and it spun us out and put us in I'm like that bad coach on my part I was so excited because I saw our strength going up so much that I selfishly wanted to see the Dexas scan. And what happened was our body fat percentage went up and that spun her out. and I should have known better not to do that. Jamie, you have two kids, you said Yes, and I homchool. Okay, wonderful. Boy girl, girl, two girls b B boy and a girl. seventeen and thirteen. Okay who's the girl teen my thirteen year old. So when you get when this gets tough, Jamie I want you to think, how would I talk to my daughter? And I know that sounds silly, but it's gonna snap you out of it, I promise because I know you love your daughter I know you're a great mom. I can tell so you just okay, what would I say to my daughter right now? I got to take my own advice because we're way better with our kids and as trainers, way better with our clients with ourselves. Also let that be your motivation to stick through this, right? is that you don't want her to have to struggle with something Yeah, one hundred percent, right? So let that be your driving force to stick it through and go through it when it gets tough because it'll be tough It is. it's definitely tough. Okay. But we'll help you through this. Totally. Yep. So it's what the prescriptions going to look like is way less exercise moreore calories but we'll have somebody step walk walk with you through this process. And you're looking at conservatively six months realistically close to a year of this kind of work Okay, Thank you guys so much. Yeah got it. I'll have somebody call you. Is that okay, Jamie Yes, that's just fine.. Thank you for calling in. Ecited for you Thank you. Bye. pooor lady. Yeah,'s tough man You know, like you said though,, you know, and encouraging is where she's at, she's open enough to come on a podcast here where tons of people are going to see her and put herself out there, which means she's She's out a lot of people in the fitness space are suffering from this and not talking about it. Not only not talking about it, they don't even want to acknowledge it. No,ah, no, they're leaning into it. And you know what's even worse about this, Adam? You know this being in the extreme space of bodybuilding In the fitness space, you're surrounded by other people that are like this. Yeah. And so it seems like this oh ye, that's what we do. Well, and normal double down on it. And when you're, you know, shredded body fersage on Instagram, you're being celebrated for it And so don't know. It's so funny that happened to me last night. Last night I was at I was serving at the church. This guy comes up to me and he's in his sixties He h. You are so healthy and fit. I need to be more like you and I'm like no, no, no I'm obsess. It's extreme. No, no, it's great. It's good that you're displ. He has no idea. He just looks at me and thinks I'm like, no, dude you understand? Well, that's the problem. That's what I mean, right? Like if you're in denial about it, right, you obviously openly talk about it. But if you were in denial about it and you're getting told Oh you look so amazed. I wish I was like you're so hey Yes Yeah, ye Discipline. Yeah. That's so crazy Hopefully we help her. Yeah Caller is Caleb from Pennsylania. Caleb what's happening? How're doing Caleb.'s up man? This is cool. How are you guys doing? Hey? How can we help you Well, I'm just gonna read like everybody else does from their phone I didn't include much background in my email, but I did want to talk about my metabolism and reverse diet journey since listening to you guys because I think it'll be helpful to a lot of listeners. In early COVID, I lost about eighty pounds doing all the wrong things Fasting, cardio, no lifting, no protein Um I found it guys like four years ago Having lost a ton of muscle and my maintenance once I started tracking was fif thousandteen hundred calories. later found through bloodwork that I tanked my thyroid. star myself during that weight loss Um I think a lot of listeners hear your callers, u and how you can recommend people jump a couple hundred calories a week every couple of weeks and get discouraged like I did Um, because I had to take it so slow I did complete one hundred eighty. I hit my protein goals, used only your maps programs, chained sleep habits. and even still, it took me over eighteen months of being absolutely dialed. to get my maintenance from fifteen hundred up to two thousand Many times I had to backtrack and stay to level for months However, in twenty twenty fiveives Everything changed Using the scale to maintain my weight My reverse diet saw me go from two thousand all the way to three thousand eight hundred calories. I was constantly hitting PRs in literally every lift of your programs. and I straight up traded nineteen pounds of fat for Lee Mas with no change on the scare. No So this is what you guys call the Goldilock zone, I think. Yeah Yeah, That's sick U Fast forwarded now and the reason why I wrote in I'm regressing. wrist and forearm are the causes. I've been doing physical therapy for significant forearm pain It's worth in things like hammer curls U pull ups Um, and even limiting and with like pressure down on them with like dumbbell presses just getting the weight down on and in the forearm here And then as for wrists, my grip I've found like my deadlift hasn't changed much in the last six months or so I can do three hundred and thirty five for a few reps, but grip is the failure point, not anything else. I could definitely go higher. So I've never used straps or belts and I haven't wanted to do that based on list in you guys So wanted to see your thoughts on programming or you know, where do I go from here Um, I'm going to guess, you know, sounds like I had a lot of newbie gains in the beginning. so You know, do my tendons and stuff need to catch up, but want to see your thoughts on that? Tnis Hello. Yeah, bro. great firstirst off, let me just let me just reflect a little bit on what you experienceced. I'm so glad youold in. Yeah, yeah, great. Great example. So very visual from people. And this can be a bit mysterious. So somebody can lose a ton of weight, eighty pounds a lot of weight U and they can, you know, do it in the ways you said, like starving yourself, you know, trying to burn tons of calories or cardia or whatever And it can place you in this position where now you're resting metabolic rates really low and so you're like, can't get a reverse out of it And sometimes it takes a while. So I've had a few clients like you where it's like, Ohh my God, we got it's gonna take us a year or it took me a year. with some of these people. I'm not quite sure why. I heard some theories. One of them is that your body Maybe it's your central nervous system kind of has a memory of that starvation period and just doesn't want to reverse gears with the metabolic rate until it feels and this is like non scientific safe. Y, whichich is kind of what happened. Like you had to do it for a while, do it for a while and then boom Your body's like, we're good Now we can start burning more calories, which is what you experienced. And so that can happen to some people. So I'm glad you called in because now we have an example of what that kind of looks like, but it definitely works Now to the forearm pain, can you point to where it hurts Yeah, so it's up in here. So hammer curls when that comes up Okay So tennis el well, at least I've gone to some doctors. they didn't think it was tennis ellbo Um, but yeah, it's right up in here Okay. So here and you're doing a physical physical theraist physical therapist Yeah. And they're having me do well wrist stuff too like, you know, the hammer stuff and, you know. So I had I've had experience with this personally and a couple of the clients. So I got this and I got it when I was doing a lot of Brazian Jiu Jitsu And it was like it was mysterious. C couldouldn't figure out what was going on. I'd do the mobility stuff. I'd take a break, get a little better, come back and start hurting me again. And it wasn't until I had really painful deep tissue massage on my forearms. Like literally the lady spent an hour on just my forearms. U and within a few weeks it got rid of it completely So I don't know if you've had any experience with that, but you want to look for a sports massage therapist, correctional massage therapist. and have them do that where like you literally put your forearms on on something And they dig in and really work on those areas to bring that down. because I think what's happening, your CNS is just remaining a little activated in your forearms which is causing this chronic protective So the correctional exercise stuff is good U, But if it's not you're not able to dampen the CMS signal, it's going to kind of linger. And so that's where I would look right out the gates is somebody who who like I need to go to somebody release so you can go through those movements and correct that pattern. This would be also a good time to move away from a lot of bilateral stuff for a while and actually get into things like symmetry. I think would be a good alternative for lifting right now. I don't know how long have you been training kind of bilaterally for a long time or have you have you I've been listen you guys I've done symmetry three or four times. Okay. Oh good. Act my favorite program. Oh good.ice. Oh good, good. Okay, good. Yeah thatorth During my physical therapy, it was only my left forearm During the process, my right is now having it. So like I created the issue over here too. Yeah. So clearly, you know I don't think it's a structural thing. No No I don't. I don't either. So static stretching will give you temporary relief So the top of the forearm would be arm extended with your hand flexed behind your body and really hold that stretch for a long time.ip. And yeah, rifle flips with a stick is another one. you could look that up. And you would do that kind of before and in between sets. uh, keep your intense your intensity moderate for now Find somebody who understands really deep tissue massage and they're going to work on forearms and maybe trap neck area because sometimes there's a connection. firlling sort of mobility practice for you to kind of get that arm and reaching out is really gonna to help to unlock that. Yeah. But like if I was with you right now, what I would have you do is I put you in deep stretch And then I'd work the hell out of your brachiial radialis muscle U And then I'd say, okay, do you feel better? And if you see relief within a few minutes, like, oh, kind of pain dissipate a little bit. like, okay, this is what we need to do. Let's move through it Yeah, and I've been taking it easy. and if I do nothing for a couple of weeks, it's I don't feel it at all. Yeah. The second start lifting against right back. What What do you with some Indian clubs, dud Yo, yeah. That might be okay. So he's a thing like he needs to like get them to chill before he does anything loaded wise, right? That's why like a Prime Pro. like I don't know if you have access to that or not, but like some of those wrist cars and shoulder mobility just movements and and rotational movement, but like holding and static poses of it will really help to kind of like Gain back that mobility and strength in that range of motion. I mean orrder of operation would look like what Sal saying deep tissue first, what Justin saying with Prime Pro, the wrist cars and shoulder stuff. And then the third thing would be like Indian clubs. Like that's how I would order If you were my client, deep tissue, release all that, comment down like Sal saying, then go to what' Justin saying, which is go to your wrist cars, shoulder shoulder stuff do all the mobility from Prime proro. We'll send that to if you don't have it. And then the third thing is get a hold of like an Indian club and that would be the way I kind of prime before I get into any sort of working out at all. Honestly, four weeks, like four sessions with the person who's working on this U If I'm right, you should see some pretty substantial benefits from doing that. It took me literally three weeks. There was a chronic issue for me for years. I've had two. Three weeks gone for me. And then I've had other clients that I point in this direction it was the same thing A I still do doing any programs during this? or A am I literally doing not? No no, you can. I would go moderate intensity though. You keep run. So you know what makes you painful? You know what makes you hurt? Just go easy on that kind of stuff. Yeah. You still train your like legs, lunges, movements like that same. Goly tryim ahead of time before your workouts is the main thing. Well think I prime. I don't think I have primero.'ll se it you.'llnd it to. Yeah. you got to. I'll give it to you. Yep. Thankk you. You gotta do. Yeah What about so my wrists I feel like I connect weak wrist. It's all conect It's it's again. It's all connected That's that stream. Yeah, yeah, That's the prime process that Just is talking about That's probably the main issue. So the muscles that stabilize the wrist, the meat of the muscles are up here at the top of the forum. So when these are tight and there's issues there' very common that you start feeling issues in the wrist Yep. awwesome. Yeah. You got to do.. So yeah find somebody do that. I'm serious like three, four weeks of that U And if you see like some good relief, like we're in the right direction Awesome. I didn't expect it to go this way. I feel like a lot of people say like I know exactly what they're gonna say. I did not even think about like deep dising massage and stuff for that. I mean, when you have somebody this, it can be mysterious too, right? I think we're all speaking from experience. I mean I think we've all suffered from this and this is and we're all given our personal like things that we've done. So just explain it so you can kind of get to like the science behind it. So body it senses some kind of instability, which is going to happen with somebody who gains strength very rapidly. It's not uncommon. okay? is a weakness in the wrist. So it starts to sense some instability. could be in the wrist, could be in the shoulder area. Then what it does the central nervous system tightens up the muscles create some stability there because it' sens is and instability But then because the CMS is kind of firing a little bit all the time, which is that tightness Then you start to get inflammation. So what massage does, like if you have a tight, you probably felt this before in your neck. you're like, oh, my neck hand tight. And then somebody press on it for a while or your wife presses on it and then suddenly like, oh, that released It sends a signal back to the CNS that says relax. That's all that pressure does And so it'll get the CNS to kind of calm down a little bit. Yeah, I was doing grastening after workouts for quite a while. Okay. And it felt good in the moment, but yeah, didn't really the wrong. getet somebody that's going to get in there with the rabow. The mobility and the strengthening afterward is going to help you to to get past it. That's why the order is what I told you is get the get Yeah, get the deep tissue work done to it, then do the stuff that Justin saying in Prime Pro and then do like Indian clubs and then train. Like those are kind of like the formula for you to get back to Awesome. Yeah No I really appreciate it. I am living proof of what you guys preach every day on the podcast. Yeah, you' lear great story. It could be a long time, but man, it's It's been nuts the last year. That's amazing. Yeah great to stick with it. Yeah great having you call in. you're gonna help somebody else who's probably struggle with the same thing. So it's awesome dude Thank you, awesome. Thank you guys. You got him mana' I just did this yesterday.ight We were at my son's soccer practice and my dad shows up, my parents are watching. And my dad's like, Ohh, s, my neck's been so tight. It's been tight for like four weeks. I don't know what's going on Soro, I went back there, push it. First of all, it felt like wood. So I'm like, oh, this is tight pressing on it And within, I don't know, five minutes of me pressing on it, my dad's like Son of a bitch. He's like, it feels so much better. Hes like, what did you do? And so I'm trying to explain to him like, you know what's happening. like I'm like' I'm just pressing on telling CNS to calm down I said, I think there's some instability in your shoulder. and I was kind of explaining that to him. And so I mean, that's what happens. Now when you combine it with correctional exercise, that's when it gets that's what When you get past the issue. Yeah. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instram. It's mindpump me. 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