Closing Thoughts and Podcast Outro

You are listening to Miss Apex podcast . We live at one . Welcome to Mr Apex podcast . We've got a long gap between races. Oh no, there's literally another race this Sunday and for F one fans who've been starved and had random five week breaks after the winter break's. like It my stomach has shrunk, like you're on a diet and your stomach has physically shrunk and then you get the offer to go, oh well let's go out and get a burger and then pizza. I'm like, oh, I'm actually I'm pretty good from the dramatic scenes of Monaco, but I'll do it. Oh, I guess I could have a little slice of Barcelona and I'll probably be hungry by the time Sunday comes around . So we are an independent podcast produced in the podcasting shed with the kind support of our patrons and partners, we aim to bring you a race review before your Monday morning commute. We might be wrong, but we're first I'm joined in the shed by Matt two rumbets out of Matt Hey there, I mean like I totally get scheduling because normally you just want to wash the taste of Monaco out of your mou th as rapidly as possible? And just wow, it tasted good this year. Who knew? Well, it kind of look, I'm not pretending it was a good race. I'm not going to do that. All the same problems existed, but there was some drama, controversy. And like, none of it was like, Oh, this really good thing happened, which made it good. Several disastrous things happened, including we've got some more answers about the pit lane stuff, and then a couple of crashes which mixed things up. Like fine, it gave us things to talk about , so I guess that's as much as we could hope for. Yeah. But I mean, you know, that's not everybody's going to be super exciting, but usually it's wow, that qualifying, huh? Yeah, that qualifying. Wow. Yeah. Okay, winsarpcelona, it's next weekend. Yay. Oh no, we're gonna have an identical qualifying format with basically the same things happening except except this time not a massive marketing push from the track to panic about how good qualifying is because nothing happens during the race. That's good. Well, we've also got from Canada to complete our North American preview, Christina Lee Mace. Hello, Christina. Hello, hello. It is actually Sunny now in Vancouver. Oh my first time in like five days . So I'm very happy. I'm very awake. I'm very happy. Vit Indy . Okay , so don't you struggle with these European timings now. So all the UK soccer fans we're not happy. We like to complain about the weather. We're complaining about the timings because some of the matches will be like one, two in the morning. Aren't these European races like six AM for you? Yes, but squeaks McGee the office manager can of all that he is, he wakes me up early anyway. We're up at six anyway. So if I have to get up five minutes before that in order to watch a race, I don't mind. That is fine. I , well, just the ability to adapt and findings are inconvenient. And I wouldn't think of complaining about it. Well, you know, that's because your history hasn't been good enough to give you a sense of entitlement. But that's a subject for a completely another day. So where do we go with this preview? I think honestly there's some news coming out as well. So we've got Pierre Gazley and Alpine who've appealed their pit lane spe eding penalty. We're still going to give that a bit of time to resolve and have some news come out although it's nine o'clock at night now. We've got Leclerc versus Brembo who come out on top. We've got a yeah hurtert comaing in for FP one which will, be fairly significant. I have to say the reaction I got asking for Americans telling me how excited they are for Herter was pretty lukewarm. And then we've got the ongoing battle with the Mercedes drivers up the front, all well. What should have been an ongoing battle with the Mercedes drivers up front? So why don't we start a little bit in more previewy mode before we go to the new stories and just saying George Russell fight back? Is there any way back for what looks like a totally broken George Russell? Christina, are you a fan? You can't ask yourself as a fan of George Russell . I'm quite indifferent to him overall. Like I'm , you know, there's nothing that I particularly like about him that makes me go Oh yes, I'm very excited and I hope he has a fantastic weekend. This is going to be fantastic, great, good for him, but there's also nothing that I particularly dislike about him. So week in, week out, if you see him do well, it's yeah great. He had a fantastic weekend, good for him , but it's not this deeply enthusiastic . Yeah. I'm glad you've picked up on that because like I said it during the Miami review as all the drivers names come up, they're like, yeah, yeah, the odd boot. But then with Russell just awkwardly quiet. So I think he does have more fans in the UK for sure . But you know, Lando Norris well before a championship came along had a stand at Silverstone and I don't think there's a George Russell stand, which is odd. Like wasn't Russell been in the same amount of time as Lando Norris? I think maybe at even won more races at that point, but the Norris fanbase in the UK is big. A lot of people really love Lando Norris. Hamilton obviously huge huge fan base. There's the Hamilton Stra it, which I forgot which one that is. Oh no, is that the one which one is Hamilton Strait? That's the international straight one that runs down to Brooklyn. No, I think it's the Wellington Strait. So I think it's the new start finish straight is the Hamilton Strait the start finish. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which I always thought was called the international pit straight. Anyway, there is no George Russell stand. I think there's unlikely to be a George Russell stand . But I mean then that means for a team makes him just a little less less appealing to Antonelli who has instantly developed this fan base around the world and is flying the flag for Italy. But I just I can't help me out here, live chat. Hello to our patron, live chat. Help me out. What are the glimmers of hope for George Russell starting with Barcelona Matt? What can you do? Well the most important thing he can do is just like finish the race without the team causing him multiple penalties by incompetence . The team incompetence isn't really so much on him . All he can do really is max he has two he has two assignments. Assignment number one, maximize points every race, regardless of where Aunt and Ellie finishes. So you can't let Antelli get in your head. You have to look at what you're capable of and make sure you tick that. Matt, that's a huge one because I don't think he can do that. Okay . The second thing you need to be able to do. Sorry, I no go through my list. Let's do it. Let's do the list, Matt, you go. The second thing he needs to do is examine his driving style a bit. There was a lovely analysis. I don't know how accurate it was in the race , but as he himself has mentioned, there's something in my driving style. He sort of brought it up, but very clearly it's, related to how he was used to activating and using the tires under the Ground Effect era versus how the cars work now where they're looser and have a lot more power on traction . And however it is that he's different from Antonelli, I'll run you through the ray stuff if you want to hear what they said about him. Yeah, sure . Basically he's very his whole thing is set up to maximize corner exit speed . So he turns in, doesn't do a lot of management mid corner and then is early and then is fast carries a lot of speed in and fast out. Sure he used to use the corner like the letter U . Antonelli's a lot more input heavy , but his inputs are very precise and he actually therefore can both load the front tires up better but also not overstress the mid corner because he doesn't just hang there . He's constantly making micro adjustments through the corner and that turns out to be a better fit for the current chassis and regulations. So that's the theory that I read, you know, if you're a real driver and watch them drive and have differences of opinion, let us know. We love to hear from people who are experts in things. I think wherever possible we should try to link to a specific article if we talk about it. I think that's something we probably have a capacity to do . But yeah, I think there's a great point. So the main points you made were driving style, ignore Antonelli and the driving style was around that exit speed . But he was so far off . Like you can you' cant't qualify P six in Barcelona. Once you start qualifying not one two , I think it's over. Like as soon as Piatri started qualifying P five P five P five with Norris on the front row, it was like, oh, there's there's no way back from this. And it was quite ominous at Monaco just how far off he was. But the psychology, Christina is he only was racing Hamilton when Hamilton was there. Like not thinking about the rest of the field or anything like that. I don't think he could just go, oh, you go about your business, give me and I'll just try my best from back here like in no way. And in fact, we had a reckon and I'm going to find it is someone said that Russell is going to become the alonso 's going to turn into Alonso, watch out for him like blocking in the pit lane. I don't know. I don't think George Russell will go to the extent of like what Alonso was doing to Hamilton in two thousand seven. I don't think so either. Like George Russell . The one thing that I do find endearing about him is just how much he likes the rules. He's very, you know, decisive on that. The rules, I'm going to follow them. So you definitely could see him potentially if he decides to go on a villain arc. You could see him getting a little bit exploitative with the rules and how well he knows them. But for the most part , I do think this is going to be very challeng ing for him because yes, he has been concentrated for so much of his career on just the next step, right? Getting out of Williams, beating Hamilton . And now the next step is legitimately no, this is not a next step. This is what you've been working towards. This is the thing. You have a championship potential car and you have the opportunity to go and try and fight for it. It's just such a different space . And you do hope that you know why the Mercedes Power Unit is quite good and this new set of regulations, if they're good this year, maybe they'll be good next year. So maybe this year is a chance for him to just rubber in almost and get used to this kind of fight. Ooh, but I doubt it. You saying like when you're like when you're losing a set of tennis, like instead of using all your energy to fight back from for knill down, you go, I'm gonna lose this set. What I really need to do is save my legs a little bit , learn a bit about my opponent. So you're talking about throwing in the towel for doing twenty six . I don't know if I'd call it so much throwing the towel, but he's always used to continuously having this next step towards the next thing. So is it just a better mentality for him to stick with that and go, okay, this is the next step towards me being successful versus straight up thinking of I'm fighting for a championship. Like that specific shift in how he's approaching the problem. Would that be more beneficial to him? Yeah, how what can he do? Quit what can he do give up for now ? A small thing on that sorry, I just if he goes on a vill ain arc, that is going to go down so poorly. It's going to go down poorly with F one fans. It's going to go down poorly with the Mercedes team as well. So I don't think that is really an option. Matt, sorry. Yeah, I think I think a bit of this is being oversold , a lot of it not through his own fault . I think he is trying to figure out how to adapt to the car to get as much out of it as Kimmy is getting out of it. But a lot of people like I will just take qualifying for Monaco. He barely made Q three and yet each session he made significant improvements. He's not he's not one to just sit there and go, oh, I don't know what's going on. His plan may not work. He might not have identified the right things, but he's not going to just sit around and give up and with his team, he's definitely shown they have the ability to progress his lap times in the car. Look, if he qualifies second and finishes second , there will be reliability for Antonelli across a season this long at some point. There will be someone who hits him and breaks his axle and George will win that too . I don't know not as out of everyone's like oh George is going to finish tenth now game over but I don't think that's really true. I think it's I think it's much more up in the air because we're just so early in the season. I don't think Antonelli can be harmed. I think there's something there's I think he's impervious to conventional weapons. Yeah, I think there's just like an air. I think if you went at him with a spear, somehow the spear would go through a portal and then it would reappear, but it's pointing at you and like he is just rolling twenties, man, he's just rolling twenties. Do you think this is a conventional Etsy Witch or like the premium version of that? Like a specialty shop that someone found in like a slightly static shop actually but you only know if you know, but you have to go in person. You can't get this kind of curse online. Is that what you think in the case? Look like a next day delivery curse. No, this is no, this one cooked. Yeah, I just whole moon cycle's cooked in Artisanal Artisanal curse . There you go. Yeah, it's just looked like the best for Antonelli. I feel like I'm getting carried away because like I like him and I think I'm very quickly becoming a fan of Antonelli. So there's like some quick fan bias going in and a lot of people are feeling that. But I just I just feel like he's untouchable. Like I just like nothing can nothing will ever go wrong for Kimiantinelli ever. So he's doomed. I think when Russell said, yeah, the god the gods don't want me to be in this but yeah, yeah. The gods sometimes the way it is. The coast guard don't want him to win this either. Hogwarts doesn't want him to all the forces , they're just against it. Yeah. I don't think you can do anything. Unless we see like a turnaround like right now did anyone see my tweet, my ex post that I did where I said effectively I'm a mid driver, but I was just trying to get some information because I always think about these driving style things and yeah, this season I've actually noticed more differences in the driving style. There's actually a few more different lines and how aggressive people are on the wheel. If you watch Piestri, Piestri drifts out of every corner right now. Like just, you know, he nails that loud penal super early, cranks the steering over and he's like, yeah, no, don't have we got to the point where we can accelerate close enough, I'll handle the rest. And so he's like, where is that's you know, my driver style, I have a very like what you were describing actually with George Russell. I have a very kind of smooth driver style. I brake early I like to get the work I like to get the work done early. I don't want to be busy rotating at ape the x like our current champion Danny Henney does . You know, I looked at his traces and I look at his onboards and I'm like, yeah, we're at the same speed. We're doing the same things. But then at the apex suddenly his car is rotating and mine isn't. And you go, okay, well I can't copy it anymore. So I was asking like, when we have understeery cars or circuits that suit understeer, I'm much closer to the top guys . So Okyama, I'm absolutely mint and I look like I'm great and then you go to other circuits and I'm second off. So I said why do I do better with an understery vehicle? Like if we've all got a spec understeer vehicle or go cart, I'm much I'm much better. So yes, that is why the mistakepex carting events always have SODI carts and not anything that Kyle likes because I want to do all the work early. And yeah, I got some really interesting answers. So they basically described my driving style as everything you described George Russells as and basically I'm Alex Brundle actually got into what he just went you're breaking too late you're dumb dumb no too early too early. He said breaking too early he didn't say dumb dumb. I have given him a very very gener,ous offer, which I'll repeat here. So Alex Bonda, I'm giving you the opportunity to give up your free time and your expertise for free and in exchange you get to waste your expertise and time on a on a middle aged mid SIM driver who is unlikely to improve. So that offer is open to him. I've given that very generous offer. But yeah, if you put that into the F one world and you go , right , if he's not if he's breaking earlier trying to get everything done and you've got Antonelli screaming into the corner fully with the weight on the correct front left tyre some,how doing it smooth enough to not overheat the tyres, really getting rotated and then and then he's probably getting away in the same kind of pace or more than Russell with all his early prep. You know, you're doing that early prep and you're spending so much time in the early part of the corner. Antonelli's through and gone. If you're an F one team, you're probably more likely to develop towards Antonelli's driving style than the Russell driving style would. That's my feeling, Matt, because we've seen so many teams before like prefer the oversteery driver or the VI driver over the understery driver and a lot of the comments were the reason you've got that driving style is because you're not very good and it's pretty harsh. They're like good drivers have a more on the nose over steering style and can handle a rear end. You're scared of the rear end stepping out and that's why you drive like that. And I was like, oh stop seeing my soul . Yeah , I think it's not dissimilar in that the cars tend to be both lively and somewhat unpredictable . So on a low grip surface, you choose Antonelli when I saw him when it silverstone back in the F two, it was in pouring rain and he was so far ahead of everyone. And this is something that marks out Hamilton verstappen schumacher had this reputation . We've seen the drivers who can just excel in wet conditions. Not everybody can . And that means that Kimi doesn't need to have a particularly great confidence going into the corner because he handles any instability by being able to react instantly to it with very precise inputs, whereas George needs to feel that front bite in order to maximize and do what he needs in the rest of the corner . So as you struggle to get the fronts up to temperature, which again, with his smooth driving style and a low grip circuit, you're going to struggle to get the fronts in, whereas Kimmy just will turn the wheel and deal with whatever happens because he's fine doing that. I mean, he might eventually outgrow it. Most people do once they hit a wall enough times. You know, so so we see , but yeah, the if you can rotate the car by using the instability in the rear, you can make a much faster corner of it. So on circuits that favor understeer or the setup to protect the tires understeer, it limits the advantage those drivers have over other drivers. But for your very, very high downforce aerodynamic regulations we've come from, George's stley is actually pretty brilliant. He did very well against Hamilton. He did very well against pretty much everybody with that style. So it's not like it's an amateur or useless style. Oh is a bit more adapt able, especially in this current regulation set. Yeah, no one's saying he's a bad driver that can't drive. We need to easy if people take stuff out of context because they just think about their own lives and not . The margins, again, you're talking tense, hundreds of percent. It was Tom bought three thousand that said about Russell becoming this generation's alonso. I think that is pretty that's pretty far off the mark. Yeah, that's interesting. I don't know if the characteristics of Barcelona maybe has a few more earlier apexes so you know maybe not as reliant on big heavy Ving braking because you haven't got the chicken's there anymore? Yeah, I don't know. Usually we ask Christina if she's done a bullet if we're talking about circuit characteristics. I forgot she does the brilliant bullet thing. So go and follow Christina's TikTok and yeah just TikTok. I think. You can follow her on Instagram as well. But the bullet is mainly on TikTok and she spells her own name wrong. So you have to be careful. There's no H. So it's CRIS Tina, right? I don't know. It sounds like it was a typo at the hospital and just no one picked up on it. But it's Christina Lee Mace on TikTok. We'll of course link to that. And we'll gratefully ask, could you do us a mini bullet so we understand the Barcelona Grumpy . Absolutely, we can do that. Did I waffle enough for you to find the file ? You absolutely did. I mean , I actually do know most of these things just off the top of my head, which I think is honestly fancy. Quite impressive. So this weekend we are looking at a track that has a length of four point six five seven kilometers. So the Grand Prix is gonna be run to sixty six laps. There are fourteen turns and four straight mode zones. Big thing this weekend is Pearelli have elected to go one step softer with their tires. So the C two s through to see fours and this will likely be a two stop race almost guaranteed, not just because we've moved softer in the tires, but also because this is quite an abrasive track. So it's a lot of hard work on the tyres. Temperatures will be hot. So managing thermal degree, also high on the priority list for the drivers, and there's a number of high speed turns . Turn three, thirteen and fourteen, all of which are right handers so that front left tire will be getting a lot of work put through it. So keep an ear out for that on the radios and an eye on them when we're talking about, you know, looking on the broadcast. Go and follow Christina for the full versions of that. Every single race, I'm one of the first things I look up before a race weekend. Obviously I didn't this week because I've forgotten but yeah, so from an energy point of view we're at eight and a half. So not a full full region circuit is a bit energy poor. There's not a lot of large b evrakingents obv,iously turn one and then again into the Hairpen turn ten. I think you mentioned there's really only two slow speed turns on the whole course, but interestingly they are the opposite direction of the high speed turns. They're both right handers , and that makes setup for this track particularly challenging to the point where they might run some seriously asymmetric setups. Other issue obviously is with your left tire front getting hammered or your left rear depending upon Mercedes Fred Vesti actually said that the rears were the problem for Mercedes. So that'll be interesting to watch. Prelli said it was a front axle so might depend on your team and how they run things . But the problem is you're making all these left hand turns and then you smash the brakes and got to get the front end for a very slow right hand or that right hand front tire is going to be ice cold . This is also going to be something teams are going to really have to work on to try and activate for their drivers so that they can get into those. You lose a lot of laptop if you can't get the front end on those slow turns. Yeah, well sorry I was distracted by your fan or something like that. Giant Lori that's not supposed to be on my street. Outside on my street . Yeah, look, it's I think it's a really it's a great track for like flow and just to see if you look on the onboard is one corner going into another. But yeah, as Christina says it really the turn three, I think, is the main one that the engineers will be doing tyre savings. So you do get a lot of tyre saving on this track and so you'll hear them a lot of times you're going to go save through three lift through three, which is a shame because three turn three is like such a great world famous corner, really. It should have the same reputation, but the PR on Au Rouge is just wild . But turn three at Barcelona is like one of the top corners in any motor sport, I think. Oh, and don't even get me started on the corkscrew. It's just a chicken with a hill. Come on. It's like one of the worst types of corner. Yeah, it turns three. Is this a good time for me to brag again that I got to go in a two seater car down the corkscrew? What was that spectacular? Isn't it like three story drop pretty much? Oh my goodness, it's like sixteen point four Alex Pelos of a drop. Oh my god, are you really ? All right. That is math I actually did last year. Oh no . Well, I mean, is Alex Pellow fairly standard? Because here we use spanners as a unit of measurement. Oh, is it about three spanners? But was that good? Was that a thrill ? It was really fun. It was it's a little intimidating to go in two seater for me because I'm short. So I actually can't see a lot of what's coming at me or what I'm going past. It's just ooh, we're going fast . So yeah, very fun though. You're front to back. You're front to back, aren't you? I'm in the back. Yeah, you see her. I've always wanted to Well, the value of that is that you're not because you're just looking at a column. Yep, you're just being tossed around and you're going yeah, this is fun. I have no clue where we are, but this is fun . All right, well that is a good brag. But anyway, turn three and Varcelona, it's it's great because you know in a lot of series it's you're on the l imit of whether you really can go flat. It's one of those is it flat, is it not for an extended period of time? I think it's been capable of going flat for a long time, but you will get weird things there. Even though you can technically go flat, things can go wrong. And if things do go wrong, you've got a lot of force on the outside of the car. And you actually get cars ending up crashing on the inside. Alonzo crashed on the inside of turn three because yeah, just like you've got forces going and then suddenly something just like goes. So I think this is a challenging circuit and at least two stop means that there's room for there's room for some strategy. I didn't realize they were going a step softer , which I think that's the first time have we seen like selection go kind of aggressively less conservative this year. So it will be interesting to see how they rip up and burn up because we haven't necessarily seen which drivers are tearing up tyres. I suspect it's still going to be the usual suspects. So is Piestri's drifting style? Maybe that's just street circuit specific. Is that going to hurt him with the tyres? You know, Russell seems to be lighting both Russell and Antonellia lighting up the rear is, so whether that kind of now has there many big traction zones? There's not that many as there at Barcelona. I don't think it's a big stop and then your first gear trying to get away.. Two There's two slow corners where they'll definitely probably be starting off in first gear. There are some medium speed corners too. So turn ten . ten and three I think, . three Not. Turn one. Yeah, so turn three to go. I have a map. Why am I even? Why am I guessing when I can just exit out of turn to turn one is the right hand or down the hill and then turn two is like the left kink before you set out for turn three, but you think I think you're pretty much your break for turn one and then you're accelerating all the way through turn two. So it's almost like turn two isn't isn't really a turn because you're flat out just setting up into turn three. Turn five and turn ten. Yeah, just slow in there. So at the top of the hill got turn four, then it's that right handle and then it's actually a really interesting corner of turn five to the left , the track just falls away . So it's sort of not dissimilar to like the coater where basically your braking pressure if it's around the breaking point as well, I think. So they hit that breaking point and then suddenly you know the car is a lot light er. So you know, opportunities to come it's a bit of a bit of an error generator there laptop and then to tell you what while we're talking about the track, I really love turn nine, the kink up the hill before you go down the straight to turn ten because it's just a blind kink with gravel to the left. And that must be terrifying in an F one car. I just love how many gravel traps there are at this track. Yeah. Well, I like it You like gravel traps? I have mixed feelings about them. I appreciate the safety feature that they are. Do I wish that they took less time to clean up? Absolutely. Do I think there was a faster way to get cars out of gravel traps? Absolutely . And more importantly, I wish there was the rule that said if you're trapped in a gravel trap you can still get back out but what someone can tow truck tow rope call the AA call green flag? Yeah. Hello Green, F lag. I'm in where we broken down. Well, it's in, it's in Barcelona just outside Barcelona actually . I'll describe it exactly. Do turn nine mean anything to you. But because the drivers do tend to kind of drift out there, they pull gravel back onto the track there . I just I think it's a waste. If you see a driver caught in gravel and they're out of the race, I just think, oh that's such a lane way to go out of the race. It is a shame, especially when you have other series where you see , oh no, if the car still is in running order and they just need a little bit of a push to get out , they can still run. It's just one of the things Formula One puts their foot down about. Yeah, because NASCAR went a different way. Didn't they? They flip flop between the two of whether they could get assistance or get repairs and stuff like that. I mean, the old days you'd just stack marshals under the car till the car was out and that was fine. They're expendable. We can just get a new we can get new marshals for sure . Yes, that was a joke Oh my god marshals are the heroes of the formula et cetera etc. They should get paid. Yeah no I'm not I'm not I have to say I'm not a fan of gravel traps and my little brain went straight to L ance Stroll in Brazil and I just I think about that so often where he went off not at all in the gravel trap and was like, right, get going and then just chose to drive straight into a I've never seen anything like that. Never seen and I don't think we'll ever see that again. We'll never see a driver completely free of tarmac and then just choose to steer into the gravel at no speed. Just baffling baffling. We still need footage of the pit wall, the exact footage of the moment on the pit wall. When that happened ? It's like, oh dude, okay, not a fan of gravel . All right, let's get into it a little bit of F one news then. Let's see, where should we start? I think the Leclerc Brembo thing is really, really interesting. Christina, you're sort of an expert really on the brand marketing side of things , but not really , you know, like Matt is like a quote unquote tech expert, tyre expert, you know, you play one on a podcast. Challenging weekend really for Brembo that just caught so many strays and this is Ferrari they have, a deal to supply the brakes, but they also supply stuff to other teams and hydraulic systems and stuff. But yeah, they were very clearly hurting from Leclerc's outbursts. Definitely, but it's it's one of those things where you're going , okay, Brembo is relatively speaking , it's a brand you're only going to know about if you're in the know , right? And so it's I think it's one of those brands that's honestly less dependent on public perception than a lot of others would be. So as much as it is, you know, frustrating as a brand to hear someone who should be talking you up, who's absolutely adored by fanbases going, Oh my gosh, it's the brakes, this is absolutely horrible . I think, you know, the type of fan who gets really involved with the drivers and who's really excited about them and what they have to say , I do think that there is that certain , I'm hoping at least that there's that certain level of discernment of identifying oh, he was frustrated and I shouldn't make my brake purchasing decisions based off of a frustrated driver who just crashed out of his first race. People do, I think. I think I think people do, but look, if the Leclerc fans are so funny. Leclerc fans are really funny. Nothing against Leclerc or the Leclerc f ace or anything. I'm definitely not like this is the first driver that's a Hamilton teammate where I just haven't decided just to hate him almost for the sake of it because Leclerc is great. Like PRYS is fantastic, insanely glamorous him and his partner Alex, Alex, something? Alexandra? Alexandra, but she's like a successful content creator anyway. And they're just two of the most like stupidly glamorous good looking people on the planet , like incredibly useful for a blast. I've no hate to it. But the Leclerc fanbase broke so quickly to conspiracy theory too . He's being sabotaged, the team is favoring L ouis it took like two races . All right, honestly, the absolute breaking strength of a chocolate kit cat to have two bad races and suddenly go to the team is favoring Lewis Hamilton. Well , the team may be favoring Lewis Hamilton, but as far as brakes go, he ran brimbos last year and they were fine. The brakes that Lewis has favored throughout his career, and I say brakes, but what I mean really are brake pads are the carbone industry . They have just a different profile in terms of how they work into the corner . The brimbo are work across a wider temperature range, they're progressive and they're very predictable . The carbon industries have a higher peak grip when they are hot and Lewis has when he went to Mercedes when he and now when he's come to Ferrari he spent all last year saying can you p,lease put these bra ke pads on my car? I the feel they give him because of how they work is what he needs to have a little bit of that magic. And that's one of the things that was missing last season for him. He eventually bullied them into it and they did it and oh well there's there's there's Sir Lewis. Yeah, we kind of recognize that guy as the slightly older version of the guy that was untouchable . Yeah, great and Leclerc meantime, has been really struggling with the brakes, but fundamentally , what has changed the regulations, the way the engine braking works, the way the power gets delivered, the amount of downforce you have to use against these brakes. And I think what he's seeing is that if he can learn to use the brakes in the same way that Lewis does, his missing laptime will return to him quite rapidly . So when he says brakes, it's I understand why Brumbo reacted the way they did , but it's not saying these brake pads, the braking problems were not the fault of Brimbo . It's what Ferrari chose to do with that car , how they set it up, and the way these regulations work simply mean that for some drivers , the carbone industries will give them better lap time. And that's that's just, I mean, that's just the choice you make. You know, do I want a car that gets great mileage or do I want a don car't that will go zero to sixty three seconds 'cause you're not gonna get the same things out of each car. That said , I think the Leclerc fans might be right . I think they might be right. Because they didn't say they were wrong. I just said with the rabbit. It is what it is. Right. Okay , so they are wrong . They might be right for the wrong reasons, right? Correct . So the absolute mad wobble that they're going on is that it's like come on like you had two bad results. We're good. And they're obviously the pit lane thing where they served Hamilton's penalty and it's like well they should have kept the clerk out. Well, yeah, but what if the safety card? Like Monica's really good at clearing wreckage. Like they could have just got that sorted real quick. Something else could have happened that meant the pit lane is closed. Why would you need to take that opportunity? And also they just like Lewis Hamilton Berders said to get over it. He's not he's on more money. He's the number one drop. No, no, that kind of made sense. Like let's get it done this lap. Let's clear that penalty. We don't have to think of anything again and it's back to status quo where we are. Yeah, but the pit lane thing I,'m sudlyden having memories of Carlos Sin stop inventing. This is a very classic for tactic, right? Yeah, I mean, they just they have they have baked in assumptions about what's good when for them at Monaco, yeah, it's better for us to double stack you than it is to sing you around another lap. Historical, is it still accurate? Who knows? I don't know, not my job necessarily , but it's not oh, this is an easy way to h obble Leclerc strategy that they were looking at when they did it. I think this is just Ferrari Ferrari gang. I think Leclerc is actually in a bad position and so yeah I called it when Hamilton signed. I'm like, this is bad news for the clerk because Hamilton is a very powerful man. He's a very powerful person within within Formula One. And so at McLaren probably didn't have the power to that was Ron Dennis McLaren, wasn't it? And you know, Ron Dennis was McLaren, you know, everything needs to be polished and any dirt has to form in an orderly line, so he doesn't really have the authority there. Mercedes, I think would have taken a lot of the credit for his success there at Mercedes. So they had that slogan they had when Hamilton left. They're like, every dream needs a team is like, you've done really well, but remember it was us that did it. Do you remember that? Every dick needs a team. You know, that dream you had . So they'll take a bit of a credit for that and maybe you all have had less power there. And I think if you look at the Rosburg, the Rosberg situation, you know, I do believe that they were fairly equal towards Rosberg and Hamilton. But if you if you then go into a team as the seven world champion, you are treated as a senior adult . And this is very much why you know, if you get promoted from corporal to sergeant, you will be moved to another regiment. So you turn up as a sergeant and everyone knows that. You know, if I turned up at my regiment by suddenly had three stripes on, I know what I know exactly what the lads would do. They go, We've seen you in so many compromising positions. We've seen your incompetence in that we're not respecting that, but you go in fresh and so I honestly think Leclerc should have left Ferrari because Leclerc yeah, not because Ferrari is bad , but from a career point of view, it's he is now a senior driver in Formula One. Like he's a veteran driver. He's rated as one of the top talents, but you know, Bernato used to like look like he was talking to him like he was talking to a little baby. He was the junior driver there and to some extent he will always be seen as baby baby Charles . I just had a weird flashback to Ricardo and Verstappen, but it's like opposites because Verstappen was younger, but very clearly the guy . And you know, from a driving point of view, I don't know that Hamilton is necessarily the guy now over Leclerc , but in every other metric, he absolutely is. He's more popular. He's so much more well known. And like you said , like it or not, that means he swings a very big in the garage. Time man, I really didn't I thought we were going to have to get the beat machine out. Yeah, he does. He does. And here's the thing he's been saying in the interviews, all the interviews this week, he's been saying oh, Fred's been great. All the things I've asked for, he's just done them now. And he said, I told them, why aren't we innovating? We're Ferrari, we should be innovating. Where's the innovations? And they've gone okay, cool. And they brought a bunch of stuff in. And the clerk said, Yeah, this is mad. I've never seen Ferrari like this. They're just like doing loads of stuff. It's so busy. Charles, what do you mean? What do you mean? You've been there what eight years . And that's never happened. And now it's happening. So you know why that's happening, right? Because that guy there paying four hundred million is swinging his, what do you call it? Bat around Matt. Swinging his big old bat around and And they're listening. Do you think those changes are equally beneficial to Hamilton and Leclerc? Like obviously the changes Hamilton he's saying make this into the Hamilton car that I want and he's listening and it doesn't look like Leclerc wields that kind of power because he's baby Chow. He's baby Chow. They all know he's baby Chow. He's not senior seven time world champion . Oh, dude, you have just sent me down the rabbit hole here. You've sent me what many years do you have left to get Hamilton the championship? How many more years does Clark have at Ferrari to win all the other championships that will come after that one? Yeah, no, suddenly that makes a lot of this is like, look, we understand. We know you're in your prime. However, we just need you to quietly take a back seat while we get Luis one more thing here. And then it's then the field is yours. We swing. We're going to make so much money, Child. Just think of all the money we're going to make. Taylor. Once he wins the one, the next five are going to be yours, man. Yeah, Taylor says, where do you expect Le Clerk to go alpine? It's like no, that's not the point. Like there will have been negotiations over there. I'm not saying he should have gone last season specifically. I'm just saying there were points when it was leclerc and signs where you probably go it's going a very Ferrari way. The strategy is terrible. The tech is we're not developing the best car. It's not changing. I can't get the changes I want. I feel like not empowered. There will have been an opportunity to talk to Mercedes, to talk to Redbull, to talk to McLaren at those points. Do not tell me that Leclerc did not have at least some negotiating power with those teams. But that's why I say, you know, he's finding himself in that position. Ferrari are doing very unferri things because of Hamilton. These changes are bound to and there was a bit of shade from Hamilton going, well, you know, I said we should change the things and he didn't want to, and well now how'd you like these specific apples? My brakes work and your brakes don't. If we're talking about where he could go, he might be able to go to Aston next year. Boom . No . Don't do that. Christina, please tell him not to make the club go to Aston I'm afraid that he just could not pull actually no, he might look good in that green. He might look good in that green. I think that's he'd look good in a hessy Come on. Do you not follow his Instagram? Come on, what are you talking about? Be real . I actually have my filter set to only show posts with the dog . So how do you do that ? I didn't. It was just a funny thing to say. Oh , okay, okay, that is, that is, that was funny and surprising. And you are on a panel with two middle aged men. We can't possibly know if that's a joke or something like that. You literally would have believed that if you had not told us yet. You should utilize that power more. You could get us to believe anything. Maybe she already has. Christine's giving social much social media advice . I've actually slipped in like loads of absolute howlers in there. Oh my god, is this the mean girl's the calorie drink that was actually the weight lifters protein? It's a long con. She spent three years in our company just and that's the payoff. It's not a big enough payoff. Let's move away a logo on the mat last on es. I brought that up because Alonso has said out loud, this is very lately, almost certainly his last ever bar celona Grand Prix . And why is that? Because this is the last year we're going to have Barcelona every year on the calendar, but he said he's not decided if he's racing next year or not and won't till after the summer break. And that was news to me . So I thought it was a good segue or segui as we like to say in the music I think you were mute for a second or something. Are you okay? Christina? Yeah. What was that sound? That was a genuine sound you were making. All right Mild short circuiting, we're good, we're good. Yeah, no, Alonso, that's it. I think it was fair to say hang on for this season's regs. It hasn't gone well. No other team is signing a for ty five year old . It's not going to get backed by next season . So what really what is there to stay for? Yeah, no, I mean, and he's got a kid now. That's not going to help. That does change your view on how much and how often you want to be away and how many sacrifices you want to make to be as good as you think you ought to be at any given moment. Yeah, so to me, yeah, yeah, definitely your last Spanish Grand Prix. Maybe it should have been a couple of years ago. like he's old He's really old. Go and be. I think I said it here. I think I did say it here. It's almost beneath him to be a race car driver now at forty five . It's like if you are really, really good at flying jets or a like great pilot , then by the time you get to forty five, you should be like in charge of airplanes. You know, you should be the airplane in chargearer or training those pilots and imparting that knowledge. It's almost like, We' doingre? A forty five, it's like why are you still on the shop floor in a way? I mean, they do force airline pilots to actually retire at a certain hard age because that's when vision and reaction time starts declining. It's not even an option. Formula One doesn't have that even though it employs the very similar skill set. Yeah, that's a good point. Like at some point, it is like it is dangerous. If we just said right, let's put seventy year old drivers in the Formula One cars and let's just see. I think that would get vetoed. I don't think that would get on the other hand you have eighty something year old Maria Andreti scaring the out of people in the two seater in IndieCar. So I don't know. There may be some exceptions to that rule, but they're very rare Americans, you two are American. Oh , Christina getting upset. Sorry is Canada not in North America North American. Yeah. North American. The North is very, very important to us . Thank you. In that case, stop saying Europeans at us then. Like that's no, we don't want to get lumped in. We don't want to get lumped in with the French , dear lord. So yeah but Hurta was the next thing I want to talk about. So he's going to roll out NFP one for Cadillac. I think not still not lighting F two on fire. And so I asked the people to email me. I think I got one American who said I'm very excited for Cottonhur, or that it would move the needle for them with Fandom . Are we excited to see the FP one debut I mean , of course we are. Go on Matt, why? Because it is a thing, because they have made a thing of it. Yes, you want to see her former Indy Car champion in a Formula One car. You want to see what he does. And now granted he's in a cadillac and they won't let him really do much of anything, which is normally what they do with Rookie drivers in Formula One, they'll be like here go run some fix speed aerodynamic tests down the straight and have the hardest tires and please, you know , we're going to give you a delta three seconds beyond what we think the car is capable of for reason one we don't want you to crash and reason two we don't want you to brake it because it's Cadillac and still, you know, who knows how exactly reliable the thing is , but it's exciting because this has been such a long argument and thought experiment that you could take someone from another top level single cedar series and put them in every one just to see how they do . And this will be the first time we've seen someone of that caliber in this car, even in a practice where we know things are going to be super duper controlled, it'd be very interesting to see what he does with that car and how he looks. He's not had the formula and finishing school that all the other drivers are going to be there have. Normally , I would be really kind of FP one. He's not going to get the best toys. Probably not going to have like all the upgrades bottled and he's in, I don't know whose car is in who's in for? He is in for P Pereerezz , okay. So he's, you know, they'll be wary of , you know, a newer driver coming in, I guess. They might say go and do the aero rake runs. It's not like it's not go out and do performance runs, right? So you shouldn't judge it on those times. However , because of how mean Americans have been about the Brits when it was slightly hot and we were uncomfortable because I'm relishing now in Matt being incredibly uncomfortable in his Brooklyn apartment like you are sweating profusely. You are there is a health risk here that I've willfully ignored because of how mean America was about our heat wave. So I'm fine for that, for that alone, I will be judging Herter very harshly on whatever laptime he has compared to Bottas. , that's that 's entirely your call . But I think for most people, it's just and almost as much as how he does . His comments afterwards are what I'm really looking forward to. I don't believe he's driven a current generation formula one car, but he's definitely one of the drivers who is Antonelli like in the way that he goes into corners . In fact, he's noted to have some of the quickest hands in endy car . So what does that mean? No, I mean in terms of being able to save the car very few people would be able to so he's got he's got the ability to very rapidly adjust to small instability in the corner to a degree that most people cannot help with. You know, the goose mem geoo,se the meme where the goo se is chasing someone for information. What's he saving it from? What's he saving the car from? Why does the car need saving, Matt? It's not a valley . It's not valley, is it? I mean, sometimes in indie car it kind of is, but fundamental thing that he's good at is the same thing that Antonelli is good at, which is I don't need the car to be predictable or stable on entry . I can just cope with it. Inputs , you are getting mocked for the quick hands comment. That's like quick draw like how American do you want to be? Like I mean, I mean, I don't know you can mock me, but I'm simply relating what I know about him and his reputation in Indie Car so this is gonna be like doo doo dud . That there's Colten Hurder. He's got the quickest hands in Formula One. On the count of three, we're steering into the Apex, go . And then that 's wheel squigs and one person drops. Right, let's finish. Last topic is a dangerous topic because we are waiting a result that's going to come through basically on Friday. So we got to be Srochdinger p'its lane controversy. Christina and Gazley both has his penalty restored and not . But yeah, where are we with that and why did everybody get penalties last week? My oh my, it's a little bit of a can of worms. Essentially, pit lane speed is monitored by timing loops . And they've measured ahead of time the distance between the two loops and they do all their calculations of speed based on that time sorry, distance over time gives you speed. So great, fantastic. But if the distance that they assume that is between the two loops is different than the actual distance traveled by the driver, you're going to get an incorrect speed . So that's the crux of the problem. And you have Alpine coming in presenting new information, FOM specifically acknowledging, hey, yeah, that distance not always accurate. So yes. I'm maddening. It will be inaccurate Can you repeat that for me? The FIA said what? Not the FIA. No, FOM. So Formula One management and that's very important thing. Yeah , absolutely sorted is who is in charge of what? FOM, Formula One management, the event organizers and promoters were in charge of setting up the timing loops providing that data to the stewards. The stewards just make decisions based on the data that they're given sure and the rules and regulations in front of them. They then provide those penalties to the teams and say, hey, this is what it is. So we know that FOM have acknowledged, yeah, we've actually checked this and it looks like not as accurate as it should have been. The FIA Stuarts, it's also unclear if they knew ahead of the weekend if this was a quirk or not, unclear if race control knew about it or not . We have quotes saying that the teams did in fact know that they should adjust their racing lines to account for this. So it's a little bit of a mess of inaccurate data as well as who knew that this was inaccurate ? Well, I wouldn't pretend to be a journalist, but in the conversations I've had with people who might know things , I have been told that one it was very clearly stated in the driver's briefing that you need ed to drive the center of the pit lane and not cut the corner and that the stewards were aware the potential issues with how the timing loops have been laid. And just to be clear about it , they have transponders in the car . And when you hit the timing loops, which are pressure activated, that's how they know the car is at a precise place at an exact time . The problem with a curve is the timing loops present at an angle. If you don't hit them at ninety degrees , you get an accurate reading . And that's fundamentally where this issue lies right now. What? If you don't hit the timing loop at ninety degrees, you get an inaccurate reading. Because you've made a different distance between your activation of the timing loop and your activation of the next timing loop. You shortened it so you can be going the correct speed, but if you shorten the distance, then you look like you're going too fast. And this is exactly what Christina said. I just got a little more detail from someone who knew a bit more about how it' alls put together. My engineering soul is crying like it is bleeding WD forty is bleeding out of my engineering soul right now . I'm also told that the teams do not know where the timing loop will be race towards. They don't know they don't get told, they don't know where it's going to be. This is what I've been informed. It's a poor way to measure speed. So many people came up. It's the only way to measure speed because speed is distance over time. Therefore, you have to have a distance and time, how long it takes you to get there. And it's so many people just belligerently insisting to me that's the only way you can measure speed. And as somebody who's an ex radar engineer with a doppler effect swing around my head. It's like, well, firstly, no, that isn't the only way to measure speed. Secondly, when we say speed , we very clearly mean the speed we have worked out. So once once you do your clever thing our wheel rotation being the distance over a certain amount, once you once you've figured out what speed the computer has figured out what speed the car is doing, we then no longer be speed equals distance over time. We mean the indicated telemetry stored thing on your little speedo, that is what we mean by speed. And then you can detect on the trace you have all the telemetry and the telemet ry is as I've been told and I understand it all done by one company. It's it's a spec thing, the telemetry systems, right? It's perfect it would be perfectly fine to use that to determine whether because now you have speed versus time as your trace, as your telemetry trace for what speed you were going at any point. So in the pit lane, if your telemetry goes over sixty miles an hour at any point in the Monica, you've been speeding. It's completely unnecessary to invent a timing loop which is pressure activated, which by the way, there's a lot of variances in how much pressure would be put on something . And Matt's pointing out or Christine pointing out that if you hit it wrong or an angle, it would have a different reading. The timing loop was on a curve. The timing loop was on a curve. And even on and even on that curve , it wasn't the correct distance. This is awful and I've heard people go, all motorsport uses these systems. Well then that's dumb. It's twenty twenty six . There's so many other ways to measure the speed someone is going or police a limit right Matt, sorry, I'm out that's fine and I'm not timing loop on an angle was the problem. Because it was on a curve, it opened the possibility with regards to telemetry, you'd be right , but you do need to know the circumference of the tires and that changes actually quite a bit during the race. And I just had this mental image of, well, your honor, yes, my outside tires might have been speeding. However, my inside tires were under the limit on the curve. So therefore, I was not surprised that perfectly you can absolutely compensate for that as a team. That's right. That's the same with the weight limits as well. You know, Russell got the squad was just sort of having fun with it, but they have always used timing loops because it is a physical measurement of precisely where the car is at exactly a time. The transponders lack the accuracy for the level of detail they want to measure or speed . And that's why we have this system. It just curves present a problem. And remember we were at NASCAR and they explained how they used curved entries to gain time for that very reason. You could you could take a line and get away with it because of how they measured the speed in the NACAR pit lane. Everything has its weaknesses. The surprise is that they handed all the penalties or they didn't reconfigure the lane or the markings to make it more accurate. Are you telling me that now everyone's like, Oh yeah, what would you do? That's not how engineer ing works. You identify an issue or a requirement and then you set about going , what are the what are the options? What are what are the actual problems we're trying to solve? So we're trying this is what we're trying to solve. We're trying to make sure that a car doesn't exceed a certain limit. And that limit is because we determine that the risk the safety risk versus safety. What goes wrong? If we do it at one hundred and something goes wrong, it's more dangerous for it sixty then that reduces the risk. So we right now need to police that because it's important. It's safe, right? We need to police that. So we need to know how far if any car goes over sixty, right? And this just like you telling me there's not multiple ways to do that. You can spot check it. You can have a guy with a speedgun. You could tell me now you couldn't have an overhead camera , a video that and then your computer will now know exactly where every car was at every certain point and if it was moving at faster than sixty miles an hour, no, you're going to bury a pressure sensor at random points throughout the pit lane on curves and then you have a team come in who doesn't even get that distance right. I'm I'm mad. I'm mad. Give Gazley his podium now . Normally they're not on curves and I think the curve mainly exist ed because they added the extra garage. So if you ask me what really went wrong? Cadillac America America . Yes, we did go wrong. This is true. But we've also gone right. So hey, you know, say you win some, you lose some. No, I think what happened was that this was done historically . And then they realized on Friday that they had an issue with where they placed the sensor and they decided the easiest way to fix it was just tell the drivers to not cut the corner, which I mean, I don't know, have you ever met a race car driver? That was never going to be as successful. That's like DOT saying, oh, I know how to keep trucks off here. I'll put up a sign saying no truck s. Well no, that doesn't work at all. You have to actually pull them over and ticket them a lot and then eventually they get the idea. And that's what happened here. A lot of people got tickets and they got angry about it. And now you've got a whole big mess and what's going to happen if they decide that he didn't deserve that penalty? What happens to the other penalty then? Overall, my big frustration isn't even that they picked, you know, now we have a big mess to deal with, and it very much could have been avoidable. If you identify a problem or what could potentially be a very consequential problem before the race , why aren't you doing extra layers? Why aren't you doing additional checks on the speed . Why aren't you reviewing all of these penalties, especially even midway through the race? I would heard midway through the race they went, oh, this is an abnormally high number of speed in the pit lane incidents, we're going to investigate this after the race . That is an option that they have. And quite frankly, it does frustrate me that there wasn't some sort of chain of command that went and thought, oh, this is strange . Maybe we should put a pause on giving out these penalties as much as it frustrates all of us to go and see that message of we will investigate this after the race . Sometimes the fact that they have that freedom and flexibility it's good and they should take it . Yeah, but look, we're not arguing about power units now are we? So I said could be worse now. Yep, yeah, it's like first one the first one was Lewis, wasn't it? The first one was Lewis Hamilton. Yeah. And they pulled that trigger so fast that that then set the tone of oh well we've got to ping the other one and then now the other and you actually see at no point did they go this feels related to those issues we were talking about specifically in the driver. Yeah, you're right. Absolutely. It was yeah, this there's something we're going on. Remove the no one served the penalty at whatever point. Okay, we've got four five drivers now. No one served that penalty. Take them away. They're under investigation. So they may well get five second penalties at the end of at the end of the race, but it will only be at the end of the race and that would have been so much easier to pick apart because let's talk as if Gazley now gets that penalty overturned, which is the most interesting version. So even if it turns out nothing happens, we can still talk about what we would do in that situation. It's a horrible, horrible mess now to unpick it. Like Christina, what do we do? What would we do? Where does he finish ? Well my assumption would be that each team would have to decide if they want to challenge their own individual penalty because if they go and look at their data and they're like, oh yeah, our driver didn't in fact speed. There's no point in us hashing this up , then I don't think they put their driver forward to say, hey, this should be reevaluated. But you would have to go through and look at each and every driver and double check their telemetry, double check their speed, their entry, and the lines that they took throughout the pit lane and go, was this the right penalty to do or not? And then you have most of the penalties, I think are fair,ly straightforward where you would just remove that five seconds and go this is the best course correction that we have except with George Russell because his penalty got bumped up because he insproperly served it, which leads to the big ethical quest ion of, well, he wouldn't have got that penalty if he didn't need to serve a penalty, but he and his team still made the mistake of not properly serving a penalty . Yeah , yeah. But what do you do with that? And it happened at like the worst time as well. So yeah, like it couldn't have happened at a worst time to serve a penalty is what when you were all and there's why you did say I'm gonna back up some portion of the pack. Why? I just have to do something . I've got to I can't just take it. I've got to do something. Yeah, and it'd be really, really unlucky for Russell. I think my thing would be like this is a mess . They in my opinion, like all those penalties are invalid . Like it's just it feels very obvious like if they got the actual distance wrong, that's fine. Even if they got the distance right, still feels there's a mitigating circumstance if they can look at the telemetry and go at no point did our speed versus time trace go above fifty nine point nine or whatever. If they can show that, that's pretty good evidence that I wasn't speeding, there's a known issue and now we know it was the wrong distance, get rid of that penalty. I would say the moral the ethical thing you're saying there is you cannot invent any scenarios. So you can give someone the five seconds back. So you decided to take five seconds of Gasly , right? And he didn't serve the Oh, he didn't serve the penalty. So he didn't serve either of his penalties. So his math is simple. His math is straightforward. But does he get a penalty? What the other circumstances are? Does he get a penalty for not serving the penalty? No because five second penalties only you have to serve if you're going into the pit lane to do a pit stop. If not, it's just happening . He didn't have another stop. So he was able to five seconds. Yeah. So you can then just go okay,, well we'll not do that penalty. So we haven't added five seconds onto you. Well done, you are now in P three where you finished. What I don't think you can do is invent scenarios and go, wow, well Russell, he would have then I think been in fourth place and I think we could he could have defended against Hagar. Actually no we're going to say Hajar probably would have overtaken him anyway. So fifth Joey you can't then invent sonar that's just you know you can say sorry you, can apologize . You can't give back a served penalty amount of time, but you can give back a time penalty was incorrectly applied. I think that's that that would be the gist of it, yeah. Yeah, what a mess. That's so bad, man. Pinnacle of Motorsport. And again, like Bruce like no offense. I like you, Bruce. I like you. I kill you last. Sorry, film reference. I'm saying well, Australian supercars use the same method. It's like honestly, I don't like that argument. It's like, yeah, a lot of motorsports are doing a system that is vulnerable to these kinds of things then. It doesn't just 'cause they're all using them, it doesn't mean that that is the best way to do it. Again, you know, my engineering approach, I think is the, best one ever in the world . So if you want to employ me, all I initially need is a room full of subject matter experts and I will come at it from a requirements basis and we'll come up with in the end suggestions and options for a solution. But what they did there, it is obviously poor. And not everything has to be perfect, but you can apply common sense and go very clearly something went wrong here. If everybody's penalty gets removed, do we have a adjusted Monaco Grand Prix? Like who's on the podium? If we just straight up take away the time penalties Unclear Right. So bad, gone, please help me. It's really bad. Help me. Oh is that just all you're going to say? Is that your whole answer? me pull up the timing sheet now and do a whole bunch of mental math Or put it into a like an AI bot or whatever. But yeah, sorry, the easy thing is Gazley finished third in the race so that's where he would be. He was mad Others not so much. He was mad. He was crazy mad. He said it's my worst ever day on this planet in, no m,otorsport or something like that. He was talking about it being stolen from him. Yeah. Well, the team also didn't tell him about any of this till he was celebrating his podium. Heartbreaking for that. So that's such poor communication. He was like, yeah, be free. Let's go. He's imagining he's tasting the champagne. Like he's he's called his mum from the car. Mum, you never believe this mum. P three . And like, oh, Mrs. Gasly is just like she's devastated now . She's she's kicked the pet cat at home and now we have to take the pet cat. Is that what you want, the FIA? Is that what you want? No, now Gazie's cat has been kicked by his his mother in this scenario who is very reactionary. Yeah, that was that was heartbreaking. That's on the team. That is the team's fault to not explain . Did they not get on the radio at any point? Because I know you're P three right now, but there is there are penalties hanging over your head. Like chill. We will protest this . We will yeah, yeah teams now go let's just not serve penalties because if there's other penalties like that, let's just not serve it because we can just go and appeal it later. The worst case scenario is that the penalty remains the same . So why serve any penalty? If they overturn this, teams will just go off just don't serve it. It's fine. We'll be okay . We'll just figure out later. It's fun. Well, you were joking about that, but this is why they went from some penalties being five seconds to ten seconds because drivers could outdrive the penalties. What if you've already had a pit stop, making you stop again is a much more savage penalty than adding five seconds to your finish time and you know that's that 's why we have that convention. Yeah, that's why the convention exists. So if you've already had your mandatory stop, then you're good to go. They'll just add the time at the end and that's that is punishment for whatever particular sin you committed. And I think I think the team like chasing if there's a track where you can overtake as well, but it's risky to overtake. I think a team can validly say it is sportingly acceptable that we knew that car had a five second penalty. Therefore, we told our driver just stay within five seconds, don't send it up the inside and risk a crash. That is perfectly valid sporting tactic. The radio. Yeah. So they take away that penalty and the team behind goes, well, hang on a minute. You because of your decision, you basically told us that we that car was not legitimately ahead of us. That's what you told us. Therefore, there was absolutely no reason to risk our suspension going and chasing him. Normally you'd be right, but then the argument would just be well, Monaco, dude. Yeah, no, yeah, yeah. That's why no overtake's gonna happen. He's gonna go anyway. Yeah. Let's see, people say has Spain got a straight pit lane please , please . Because I don't think I want to talk about this again. Can we straighten it out real quick? It is such a one off to have a curve like that with a timing loop in it. I if you or I'll put it to you this way think about it when has this ever happened before? Yeah , never , never. So obviously the pit lane at Monaco is the out lier and their solution for it wasn't fully compliant with what they needed it to be. Fair enough, they'll sort it out, acknowledge move on, that's fine. It's never been a problem anywhere else. I've never seen anyone even bother to challenge his feeding penalties. It's also never been a problem at Monaco where Hamilton said, Yeah, we always cut that corner. We always do. Because you had one last garage, so the pen entrance where they put the timing loops is different. That's why and question again America's fault. But my quest is if it was so clear, like in the driver's brief or whatever, but five teams got that wrong, like that, come on they must have whispered it. Like at the end of although I don't click the corner because you 're like, I don't know . Different people say different things. I'm not the one to say what actually happened at a place that I wasn't , but I do know that I have heard yes they were told and that's been reported. Some media have said the drivers were told about it. But you know, I mean , they put up those big styrofoam things that they first turned at Manza. Oh, you got to go around them, and then everyone's like, Oh, sorry , I was going too fast. I just couldn't make the first one. So I had to drive straight through all of them and destroy them. Was that Vettel just white? I don't remember what Vettel white . And then you're like, well, yeah, actually I can see where he was. It would have been a stretch to get there.. And that's fine So they're just going to say like, look, whatever my entry to the pit lane, blah, blah, blah. I just couldn't make the corner the way I wanted to. I had to cut it to get there, but there was room to cut it. And they're just going to say it was for their own safety. And how are you going to argue against that other than to be like, but you always argue that yeah , it's a mess. Chat just wants us to know before we go who's gonna win the Barcelona Grand Prix? I 've got I've got an answer. I've got some bugs. I've got a guess. Yeah, you've got odds. Don't hold in trouble twisting in knocks talking about gambling last time. So I'm just not gonna try anymore. I tried responsible thing with caveats, but just not doing anymore. I gamble if please don't unless and for so many people messaging me going I put my rent on Hamilton to win because you told me to I didn't, I didn't know I'm using the odds as a useful research tool . What we got, what we got there, Matt, what we got wise. Odswise, you're not gonna be surprised, Antonelli won the one . If you put a hundred pounds on Antonelli , you will just get your hundred pounds back and the bookie will applaud and go well done. You'll get no I think you get two hundred but no actual monetary return because he's obviously definitely going to win. I actually I had to look it up because I'd never seen one to one odds before, but apparently if you put a pound down you get two pounds. Yeah, so that's how you get your pound back plus an extra. So that's how we do it in the UK. So if it's yeah, if it's four to one , then the one is your pound and you always get your pound back anyway if you win. And then the four is the wager from the bookie. So one to one is like, yeah, look, this is and anything even is like this is a pretty good bet this is a very likely thing to happen. So Antonille is like one to one, which is which is low. I don't think I've ever seen negative odds, like less less than evens on a F one winner. I don't actually think I've seen that before. So here, oh, Americans call it two ,. Right. Okay so I don't think I've seen less than two then in American terms of a winner. So this seems like just a sure thing. As nailed on as you're gonna get I am going to sell my all the vehicles we have and put it on an Antonelli win and then I can buy twice as many vehicles as I had before. It can't fight. Why could go wrong? This is a hack. Do you agree, Christina, Antonelli? Oh my goodness , I mean theoretically should I agree that yeah, he's just gonna win again? Why not? Maybe but maybe he's haunted by last year where his car ended up in the gravel and on fire. So maybe he gets maybe he gets a little bad luck there. Who knows? I can't remember that. I think I've cleansed engine failure. No, I think anything bad that's ever happened to Antonelli, there's it's not canon anymore. It's not gonna we're gonna reckon it so that nothing it bad ever happened to him ever. So I think for the plot it would be much more fun if one of the Ferrari's win. So I'm gonna go with that. Nice, which one which one say the right one say the right one the right.. They the' rightre ones They're ones in the game. Gone's the right one. Sixteen to one on Louis Hamilton. It's just the power thing, isn't it? It's not a massively power heavy track, but it's going to be a deficit for sure. That rundown to turn turn because remember it's a high speed onto the straight now. So that's going to be Mercedes territory. Yeah. However, you're right . The Ferrari has been good in turns. There are a couple of very slow speed turns and if they manage the tires better things to consider also we're coming to Barcelona much later . It's a lot hotter . The deg is high because the pavement is abrasive. Turn three is just a monster and Mercedes is talking about unlike Perelli, like we got to protect our rears. Yes, yeah, yeah. It could be that go all the way back to thirteen and fourteen with Lewis and Rosber and just punching the rear tires . Yeah , who knows? Maybe they have a bit of a struggle with traction because of the combination of temperature and layout of the track track or always not a bad choice. They they accelerate quickly. They're vulnerable at the end of the straight into turn one, but then you've got a lot of medium high speed corners where they've been reasonably good . You could make the argument at sixteen to one like why wouldn't you? I don't love Hamilton's tire management the last since he's been at Ferrari. So you know, that's something we've always been like, yeah, but wait till this stint develops. You know, others will fall away but he won't. Whereas that's not been the case? Like there was one sprint racing when yeah I just burned through my tyres I was try not to do that in the race and I've never heard him say anything like that or watched you know or watch his tyres go and if this is a very hybr is track. So I'm going to go away from Ferrari at the moment. I think if there's a surprise maybe the McLarens would there because they're just like downforced merchants and downforced kings they love they love sticking it to the ground using the wind and st uff and they're due. They're due. That weird things keep happening to McLaren and it's like their season just hasn't got started, but like if they put a weekend together, I reckon that this could be the one they surprise her. Yeah, hi, Christina, you look like you want to jump in there. McLaren No, I was just agreeing. Oh my. I'm disagreeing. Okay, good I'm going to disagree . I do like McLaren. This might be a good track for them, but I say'd if the engine actually works at the start of the race, you might be looking at a max sneaky win with Red Bull strategy and the best internal combustion engine on the grid. He couldn't even get his car off the line. Bros washed. No. Yeah, well, the problem was the electrics, right? Verstappen is lurking. He's like a lurking threat in the shadows. Like a win at any point wouldn't surprise me. I like that. But have you noticed who was not finished a race due to reliability? Why ? Russell, technically number one driver, Norris, technically number one driver, verstappen, technically number one driver . These are all people who've not finished a race due to their engines not working properly in a race . I don't know. I mean, just occasionally you think maybe I could draw an inference from that if I really wanted to. And if you really want to, you can follow Matt at Matt PT fifty five on all social media . I have things to say. I have to thank Richard, our listener for coming out and hanging out with me last night. Thinking he was loads of fun. So please get in touch if you're in New York and want to do that. I've enjoyed every single listener I've spent time with. You've all been very interesting people. Fine. Let me know. Got tired of me before I got tired of you. Yes. Let me know if you're in Culturister then I'll try to add to that. Nobody comes to Coach to by accident. Like you have to deliberately go there. It's out of the way. And I am playing with the Scot band up in Sogrates this Saturday. So if you want tickets to that, there will be a link in the show if you go and I know some listeners are already going, come say hi to me after the show. That's very cool. And Christina's home address is in the show notes in Vancouver , so you can go and go and hang out with her there. No, don't don't leave her alone. She's busy watching hockey and making TikToks about the race, which is where people should find you. And it's right. I'm alright. Christina Lee Mace everywhere now. You've got all that sorted. Okay. Absolutely. We've got like a Christ Steven situation with hyph ens or anything. It's just Oh gosh, no. That would be disgusting. Sorry, I even suggested it. Christina Lee Mace everywhere, go and follow her on TikTok and on Instagram. And while you're following people, like , I'm literally the main one. Like I'm the only one that's not replacable. All the rest of these I've got replacements ready. I have plans for if any of these rebel or fall off a cliff. Like to me, I'm the main one. Span is ready on everything. Don't be afraid. Christine, I'm obviously the main one. It's crazy. Come on. I can get another Canadian. I can just get Magnus on. It'll be fine. At Spanish not . I mean, I love Magnus. He's fantastic, but my goodness , he'll be on scene. Fit into the picture frame. I'm sorry. Oh, if you fit into Christina's picture frame, that just would not happen. Magnus is coming. There's not a plan to replace you hidden in the vault ? A secret coup? You think we don't have a file for that? Do you think there have been secret meetings about that? No . Oh, there. Oh no, there's a paranoia. Christine. I never hear the end of it. No, I'm not emotionally secure enough to get banter like this and I will be worrying about this now for the next couple of weeks until you tell me you know you don't want to for nothing down and bring it out. So there is there is a file. Now there is a file. I look this is the end the show's finished . Follow me out spanners ready, blah, blah, blah, work kind of fun at the end of the show. What show ever if they're listening at this point, it's their fault there is a file because I am so untrusting of the concept of commercial flight or that a human can soar like a bird in a metal cage . I just don't trust it. It's ridiculous. So every time I get on a flight , I'm like, this is the end. Like there's no way I can soar miraculously through the sky in this chair from where I am now to some far aw placeay that I was never designed to go to. So I assume death awaits me in every trip. So I do have a file. I have a file. It has a specific plan to my kids what to do about all my projects and shows and everything in the event of my inevitable fiery death. It's one sentence that says finish them please. Kill them. Brand them. Do not let trumpets anywhere near the stream. It's over for him . Wait, then is there a contingency plan that's different if you don't meet a fiery doom if you just meet a boring one? No it's the same yes the same file I just had to chat. So it's one file that both my kids have access to because I don't think my wife would just be like, Ah , finally, that's time to move on. What a sweet escape. But yeah, no the kids yeah, they do they have access to that file. They've never looked at it, they've never read it. But yeah, yeah, it's not just fiery if fiery death put Matt in charge, if normal, boring death , let's go no, that would that wouldn't make any sense. I actually like that though. It's I think that's kind of more fun that way, don't you think? It's like a lottery forward conspiracy theories in a lot more ways that are fun and sustainable for the show. Spanters went like cup puts, what if we like we could turn the show into a murder mystery? The new home god crime podcast, true crime podcast. That's what it's going to be. The new host will be selected yeah, in line with the method of death. You've all been randomly allocated with a dice roll, a method of my death that will result in you being the host. Did someone did someone find it? And yes, yes, Bruce all the passwords as well. Is it all that yeah? Wipe as I'm going, Son, the plane's going down. Wipe my browser history and tell all the Dutch people that forgive them bye. That's the end end. We should the show properly now, shouldn't we? Work hard , be kind and have fun. This was Miss Apex podcast with me, the very alive host . Now they did I tell them that there's a chance at overtaking the the chest? Now all they know is they're just one kill away one kill away from a one in twelve chance of being the host of what a fool I my . What did you have against banners nothing? I just wanted to see who got what when