Civilizational Fragility and Emergency Preparedness

Speaking of shiny heads. Yeah Tim, Have you ever been to South Korea? Yes, I have. Okay. wouldould you like to go back? I would, yeah. Well, South Korean President calls for hair loss treatment to be covered by insurance, suggesting that government funded Lux maxing may increase the birth rate H if interesting proposal characterizes hair loss as, quote A matter of survival How do you feel about that, Tim I think that is not the right solution to the problem. They have They have tried a lot in South Korea. so I have spent time there. I would love to go back Music that is often very distressful to people living with it. No got feel I am not distressed because I shavave my head starting with wrestling at like age twelve, so I got used to it. Thankfully. orre you opted in As soon as I saw the option to white knnuckle or shave my head, I decided to shave my head. the I think the stickier part here is actually some systemic issues related to things like rent in South Korea, because they tried a stimulus for something like two billion dollars to Courage prorocreation didn't work. And when you look at some of the issues in South Korea that are not obvious originally, because people point to idiocracy like comps where they're like, well, everybody's waiting later, they're getting more educated, d d d in South Korea, for instance, if you want to build a family, meaning you're going to need a larger apartment There are very straightforward things that are a problem like your safety deposit for or security deposit for the apartment is like twelve months rent And people can't afford it. So they're like I can't can't I can't afford house. I can't much so many months rent for It It is. they're like, I can't afford it. Therefore I cant have kids. Who who can afford year rent if they're renting? And I may be getting the months slightly wrong, but I talked to some coreans and they're like, No, it's like, I want to have a kid and here are the reasons I can't So I don't think fixing hair loss is going to actually solve that type of proble. Tim, we're playing the margins here because we can't get into the housing problem And the margins happen to be the top of the head That's what Mad is mouth. The most interesting explanation I'veard for South Korea is K pop In order to become a K pop star, you have to sign your agreement. Your artist's agreement says that you're not going to be in a relationship. while you're doing it. So they have created the most cultural export and import, I guess or internal stars have no families, no kids. Think about what happens when you do that, like it's just Inversion Easy as fuck, the only way you can become a K pop star is if you've already got kids 's that's my solution Anyway. also these becomes like fucking dumb Role models. now these role models have no kids. Those kids don't need room. we was talking about here? Yeah They can go on the road on the tour bus, right? with Well, there was that guy in Georgia so to try and fix that The country or the state? The country of Georgia in an attempt to try and improve the birth rate there. It's very religious I' a very Roman Catholic And there is a rock star back preacher. guy and he said, I will personally baptize the third child of any family in the country All of these families speed ran children to get to the third, and he''s had a meaningful increase in the birth rate because these families wanted this guy that was basically the most popular person in the entire country to like do the thing on the kid Or you could just do it. certain billionaires like the CE of Telegram has done and say, I will pay for IVF for as many women who would like to have' donoring his way to a hundred plus Well this ye he's a twenty twenty six Genghis Khan Yeahah, he's doing it the nicer way. It's weird that most people don't do that, you know,' programmed to it's like it's like we're programed for the instrumental part of it, like the sex, but like not actually the actual like evolutionary goal is not part of the programming And if it were, it would be insane. You'd have every rich person would beperm donating crazy, it would be like all these scandals it would be You people with thousands of kids, more ideas guys than operations guys, I guess. You know, one of the have you seen the documentary of the guy who had a thousand children? No. So he started off a doct don a doctor or no? No, it's not a doctor It's one of those too. If you could search it Char, it's this big thick like Dutch looking guy and he started off local sperm doning, but I think in the Netherlands, the limit' twenty And he just started going to different jurisdictions, like playing around with it in the Netherlands. Was it not a guy that switched out the sperm own There was a doctor. He was adopted we've He's old shipman of we've got two guys trying to achieve the same thing, but very different routes in cororrect Correct And this guy because there's a lit in the Netherlands of I think of twenty children that you're allowed to do it because they're then concerned of inbreeding. inbreeding that may happen. And this guy ranked it all the way up to one thousand. And then when he got banned from the Netherlands, he started going, I believe to Kenya. just to You really n outb in Kenya if you're a guy from the Netherlands, aren't you? Yeah.ike say when the kids come out, you're really going to know that's notbody y Yeahah yeah. There's mr the Beast of everything. guy's got to win, you know? But like when you have a guy like that, you really want him to be have a really, really good DNA. We wanted to be like high IQ and good disposition. forormula O drivers to be doing this. We need Max Verstaen to be ' you're's a you're having a meaningful effect on the home maginee pool when you do that, especially like three or four generations later when there's one hundred thousand of your descendants in the world and they're pro creating Well what does the future look like if it's the progeny of billionaires plus the hyper religious, right? Like what does that mix look like you look at certain countries and birth rates by kind of subpopulation, say in certain places in the Middle East and stuff. and it's very much the hyper religious, right? So what does that mean in twenty years time? Yeah. I don't know. It's also the really impoverished people who are in an environment where a lot of kids used to die in childbirth, but now they don't anymore, but the adjustment of of uh, fertility goes doesn't take a lag generation, so you have this huge ballooning usually. Yeah So that's also Tban I want to know's on your m man. What have you been? What have you been obsed. I mean, we'll get to pianos, I'm sure, but maybe that's for later after a few toothpicks. I'm very when I'm writing a book, I'm just like in it and immersed in it. So I've been working on a book for three years. It's the story of everything. It goes from the Big Bang to the end of the universe. You know, I've always wanted to say I think you should be just a little more ambitious, you know? Reach for the brass ring You know, it's like secretly kindind of not. As hard as it seems because you don't have to go that in depth on anything. So it's little dips, it's like kind of like a hundred blog posts in one. You're like World War two, that was a bummer, but it worked out. No, no, no. So s. One sentence literally like So world Sorry Sorry, Japan, we'll make it up to you. I was like, what do I do? I have the World Wars, I canntot mention them, but There's certain. I want to focus on things that people are like, I never knew that or like, that's so mind blowing. I'm not going to go I'm not we're not going to go deep enough. Everyone knows the basics of World W Wars, right? So I decideed instead, I'm going to make it like a two page story that's going to be an allegory, which is a brawl at Denny's Be I because I get hooked on YouTube spiral of Brals at Denny's at Serbia Enterertaining. And so then that I came to my mind. I was like hooked on one that week when I was writing this. and I was like, okay, so you've got like, you know, you've got a bunch of attention in the room. and then finally like, you know, Austria, Hungary goes over and just like, you know, slaps Serbia, guy in the face and then and then, you know, a bunch of, you know, then you have Russia and France kind of or like, you know, these big guys who are friends with the Serbia, you know, I just I just did this And I don't know. a lot of the times I'm like, we, I don't know if that's good. I don't know if people will like this. That's what I just did. I guess that's how we're doing the World Wars and then I move on ' I have to move on. I'll agree if Danny. Yeah. because everything I have to think about, how do I get this in there in a way that's still fun and new and different. I don I don't want you to feel like you're reading a textbook or in soscial media. love One sentence historical event recaps. I think that would be a fucking wonderful. like fortune cookie history. Yeah, because Barillool Sorts Dave Portno does the one Bite pizza review. And this is just a historical equivalent. It's like the Elton John diary entry A I think it's bter R no, no. I mean, you talk you talkght me about this. It's a single it's a single grade that or the Hntress Thompson one, which like I guess that wasn't a diary entary that tracked what his daily routine was. woke up at twelveid day, two cigarettes, cocaine, whiskey, cocaine, whiskey MBMA d d d d. But yeah, o here it is. got up. Tid did the house, bought a Rolls Royce, had dinner candle in the wind, had dinner with Ringo Star. That was one day Lorder Rolls Royce wrote Candle in the wind I dinner withing. Wonder if tidying the house was meaningful to him? Was that like soothing therapy or was that just buying time before He could justll walking to the Rolls Royce deal deealership opened will don't know. It's also two dinners in there That's. I think one of those is an ror. I think the middle dinner didn't exist. We all like got love and dinner, we used lunch and dinner interangeily in the UK It's a d supppper or something, right? You can throw that. You can throw tea in the mix as well to me Yeah. te Afters is also not bad. Yeah. Afters is dessert Ctely complepletely getess mixed up. I had to get I also had to get like speaking in one sentence, I had to get from You know, because I'm going I did like Ancient Mesopotamia pretty thoroughly because that's so important. And like, you know, the first empire, which was the Aadians and you have Sargon the Great, the first emperor and did all that And then I'm like, now when it get to like the Bronze Age collapse and that stuff, but there's a thousand years in between. So I decided again, I'm like What do I do? So I just wrote a I'm to do this in one sentence and it would ended up being a paragraph or pretty long. I hadd probablyull it to be a full page, but it's a one run on sentence that goes through twenty two hundred BC to twelve hundred BC. So you got you know, it's like a really speed run it. Well, not usually. sometometimes then I would slow down and you know spend twenty pages on, you know, the Bronze Age collapse or whatever, but But like ye Yeah, I think I think one bed in room You did you did Rome in a single sent. No Rome Rome is later. Separate treatment. Okay. Yeah, Rome I had to say a little bit more about, but H But you know, you can' not going to go through the whole How did you choose this book project? Because so I write blog posts that're about anything, and it's a great formality. J just so people understand what you're talking about because I have more context than some people listening. How long are some of your blog posts? So the short ones are like three thousand words, which is like, I don't know, I don't know ten ten mines Yeah something like that Um And then Early on, I was like, I can't over know two thousand word. And I was like, okay I can't over three thousand four thousand. and And then it just kept going up and then I did one that was like eight thousand. But it got some traffic. And I was like, people I liked it o Okay, and then the next one. And then so I just had a problem where it was like one of these, you know, it's like someone who keeps taking more drugs to get the same high. So I would just start like then getting more thorough and more thorough and by the end, I was writing forty thousand words That would count in thats a book for. It's like fifty thousand words is a. It's like a hundred twenty hundred and fifty page books something like that And but so I had this format where I can write any length blog post. So I'm like, why would I do a book? I have a And then I was like, okay, if I'm doing a book it has to be a topic that I could never do as a blog post. Like what's the ultimate topic that like is so big has to beistory of everything. The answer is everything Yeah as a topic. Now, I'm just going to pat your back a little bit because I know you're not gonna to do it yourself. One of your longer posts, is it fair to say? hesitate even call it a post Man of the hour, right BaceX is on a lot of mindes. I checked today, it's like two point five trillion market cap right now So Elon liked your stuff so much that he gave you exclusive access to what? Yeah, so he read my AI post and was like, Hey, I like how this is circle went. This is twenty fifteen, beginning of twenty fifteen fifteen. So this is really early days with AI and with Elon, really. I mean, a lot of he was very was a huge deal A lot of people I told in my life, they didn't know who he was at that time.. And SpaceX was some people knew about it, some people didn't And uh And basically he said, You know, how how he is. he's very like He likes to trust people and and be hands off in a lot of those cases. So he would say he said wouldould you like to write about Tesla or SpaceX ever? Normally if someone's like, you want to write my company? I would say no. But like Tesla and SpaceX are as fascinating as any blog post could be because they're about such bigger things than a company, right? Also with the access that you could get. So then he basically said, you can talk to me as much as you want and also any engineer you want. And they don't have to be media ready. but and I said I said to him and then on my side, I was like, I'm not like a journalist who's like you can't change anything. I'm like, I'll send you the post at the end. And if there's something like some proprietary thing someone said that's not supposed to be in there, you can take it out. And they really almost took nothing out. It was like It was like the the the cost of like a starlink Starlink was an idea at the time. It was like you know, little things like the bandwidth of a Starlink satellite, things like random numbers, they were like Two or three of those, you can't put that in Um Elon had like criticized someone that later they were like, ye, we don't want that in there. I was like, okay, I'll take that out. Other than that, like they left let it go and it was obviously, I'm like the space network to be in spaceX you know, the factory in in Hawthorne and just looking at the rocket up close. I got to like sit and a drag in and like talk this is twenty fifteen twenty fifteen. So they had never landed a rocket yet. That was the big thing at the time. No one has ever landed a rocket. SpaceX is trying to people think they're crazy And I actually I did one of these because they they started broadcasting their launches and I did They very you know, was like one of the very first ones. They were like, you want tona do one when we're trying to land a rock? And I was like, sure, I was like a guest badcaster on the time when they landed if for the first time. So the seven year old in me was like, This is real. It was like it was very exciting for me And then later I wrote a big, big post about Neuralink, which they launched the company alongside that post. So it was like, and then the scariest thing ever was The whole company now is kind of waiting on me And I' am a procrastinate. with an neurlink. Yeah. And like we're talking about how my posts always bit longer. They thought it was going to be like a six thousand word post. This one was forty. Elon M Bot, I think this Jill, He was so long, bro. And I was like, this is how I am dude is I don't know how to tell you. I can'tot do it. There's so many I can't talk about Nurland without talking about other brain computer interface. I can't talk about those. Th then I talk about evolution. And then I talkking about the brain brain the nervous system. How did it evolve in the first place? You go We end up back in like the am most ancient part of origin of life But that's how I do it. and it was such a complicated story to tell because it was concept of a brain computer interface, but then the reason for, which was like merging with AI and what the hell? So it was long. But he sends out a tweet that was like we'll be launching in a week, you know, Wait but wide post will be ready like in a week and And I was like No, it won't It' scary. So I ended up I ended up like furiously trying to finish in a finish in three weeks. And I was like, talk about like Good external pressure. That's helpful to have like Elon Musk publicly putting pressure on you so That was that But yeah, and it's just great because you get to like by writing that post and you end up fully understand like a whole industry you didn't understand before, right? So it was fun. So amazing. Yeah Yeah, they're blog posts, and then they're But not. Right, but yeah, so that's why book had to be something even bigger than something like that. You the most watched Ted talkalk of all time as well. Oh, who beat you Ken Robinson, Well, he was the first one posted. L back in two thousand six, mine was twenty sixteen, so he's got a decade on me, but I'm like, I think he has like eighty million and I have like seventy eight. And I'm like, okay, come on, man, like just get to first put some much paid behind it. Just put some pid adverising behind it to I don't think that I don't think that all YouTuberi make it ri in Bangladesh. Yeahah You get that. Yeah Yeah You don't want to those watch for. Yeah. you to do learning how you knowcrcinate. Maybe for your Kindle version of your book or all your books, you just have, it's almost like signing up for wifi at the airport. like you have to watch an ad, but in this case, they have to watch your ted T. thirty seconds. J enough Just enough to trigger apl. That's all I need. with the new book Let's say history is kind of like a stock market and everything's priced. I feel like World War two is very much It's like Apple right now, right? Like peopleople talk about World War two. What parts of history from your research do you think is like way more fascinating than people give it credit Oh my god. some I mean Almost everything. I mean, everything once you dig in I mean I was just writing about the Black Hol era. Do you know what that is? Like Uhh It's I'm gonna get like I might like have an existential crisis if I talk about this, but so basically there's the star era goes on for like one hundred trillion years or something like that. So that the last stars will be born around a hundred trillion years from now. and then like twenty trillion years later, the last stars are gone and then we're in the degenerate era and there's just nothing except for a little white drawers and then that ends. And all that's left is black holes And so how long is the black hole err? Because the black holes decay really, really slowly Really slowly, but then some of them are going to be huge. But there'll be a point at some point when the last black hole. It's Hulken radiation, right? Haulkking radiation. Exactly. It's like the tiniest little right around the edge, the emtim met or, you know whatever So I was like, how do I explain how long this is? It's ten to the one hundred six years. Okay. So what does that mean? How do you put that into context? And the way I thought about it is okay, imagine if we make a timeline where every centimeter is billion years. So so far, this is how long we've gone Big bang today, right? And it' thirteen centimeters Now I was like, so how long would this timeline have to be to get all the way to the end of the black hole era And I said, okay, well, let's just actually get I I always want to like actually do the calculation. So I was like, let's imagine this is a ribbon with a half a millimeter thickness and it's one centimeter. wide and then every centimeter of it is of length is a billion years. So how long would it have to be? T turnurns out, you'd have to if you could Okay, if you imagine you packed this room ribbon so it's just like this block hard rock of ribbon, just packed as much as you possibly could in. you know, and every centimeter was a billion years. o? Would that be enough time No, you'd have to pack the entire observable universe. brim with ribbon and that would get you nowhere close. You'd have to have packson. The final number I came to is one point four billion observable universes with this this ribbon to have by the end of the last universe, y get to the end of the ribon, that's the end of the black hole era. So there's shit like that I just I'm going to put a wrinkle into it because after that you still have quantum fluctuations. Oh yeah. Oh no, the dark aer that goes on, that goes on for even longer. So the the five stages of the five agages of the universe, sorry, book from nineteen ninety six goes through this. they had to come up with their own numbering conention to be to name it. They didn't use ribbon Ys it' much more inventive. was way more nerding. The dark era which just comes after the observable universe, sorry,bs after the Black hole era is way more upsetting because now Imagine you wrote a book that contains the history of the universe, right? And every page is an equal amount of time. You could pack, and it's like something like sixteen of these, or a trillion times a trillion, times a trillion, times a trillion, observable universes, but sixteen trillions. Um brim with pages and the fromrom the big bang to the end of the black hole era, that whole thing with the ribbon I just talked about is not even the first proton in the first atom of the first letter of the first word of the first page of the first book I get upset about this. This is the kind of thing that when I think about, then I'm like in bed and I literally can't sleep and I'm tossing and turning. And the next day my wife is like, whyy are you so tired? And I'm like s too like embarrassing to explain, but like I'm having an existential crisis about how long the universe is going here. but that amount of time will And that is weird. Like no one should want to turn a life. There's an interesting theory about super advanced alien civilizations shutting down because toward the end of that era, you end up with an unbelievably cold universe, one that's significantly colder than ours now. Now, it's not much, but on the margins, this makes a big difference because almost all energy usage blows off heat And if you were doing simulations, ancestor simulations, future simulations, if you had if you'd gone into the metaverse and decided to make this your new place It's way more efficient to do this the later that we go. So I'm gonna guess that you came across this too. It's one of the explanations for the Fermi paradox, which is the paradox that asks, why have we not seen aliens when there should be lots of them out there. We should see something. There should be some that are far more advanced than us so that they should really be noticeable out there building Dyson speres and stuff. There's many explanations. One of them is They're all hibernating they've all figured this out and they're going on this thing that will feel like a second to them, but they're just going to go past a few, I don't know, whatever it is a hundred a few hundred billion years. And we're just in this era where it doesn't make sense for an advanced species to be conscious. so they just are all hibernated. It's like waiting for the ventilation guy to come and fit the AC before installing a new computer toile That's why it's it''s too hot it's to make apartment too too hot.it let's go playick Bable for a while. He'll be in a bit and then once once he's tell us hybern, it'll be like a blink. Okay, we're here now let's keep going. But to us we're just like, it's empty. No one's here. Yeah Fuckking while It's really cool, dude. I got obsessed with that and supervoid the bet supervoid Now that if you want an another yes, another crisis. Yeah. It's like a so you should have a relatively uniform universe, right? A cosmic microwave background, but you don't you have little fluctuations. This even within little fluctuations, it should still broadly be pretty uniform But it's There's these huge things called supervoids that are like Millions of light. some of them are the biggest ones are a billion light years across. The weta's one might be a billion light year, a few billion light years across. And it's almost entirely bereft of material Billions and billions of Los It's insane It's so fucking. There are some theories that even we are in somewhat of a void potentially, like that we're in a very uncrowded part of the observable universe, perhaps. It's unclear And of course, by the way, this everything we're talking about, the voids, we see everything. that's all within the observable universe, which might be like a grain of sand compared to the Earth size full universe. L this is just what we can see. And like that's also freaks me out. Before we continue, most people in their thirties are still training hard. Their protein is dialed in. They sleep better than they did in their twenties discipline is not the issue, but recovery feels someomewhat different. Strength gains take a little longer, The margin for error starts to shrink. And that is why I'm such a huge fan of timeline. You see Mitochondria are the energy producers inside of your muscle cells. As they weaken with age, your ability to generate power and recover effectively changes, even if your habits stay strong. Mitopure from Teline contains the only clinically validated form of ryylinA used in human trials. 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Mbe Chared, you can get it on the screen on YouTube but because as you give me that kind of conversation there, I start zooming out of myself and I realize, o, I am essentially nothing And the power of ten it starts with people Ck And it just zooms out by the power of ten. I think every three seconds So it goes from them in the park like zoom in on their face to above to above to above and you realize how quickly it goes all the way out to the earth just essentially being nothing And then what's the most fascinating part of this video is He then't zoom in So then zooms in all the way. Yeah, it's that top one there This is the nearest I found to doing any psychedelic drugs without having toingest anything. This is a staple of American schools. We watch this. This was in Z sererious? Oh I never saw this. This is how you ended up like how you ended because this is No this just made a huge impression on me ten times n s It's Nice that basically this is making those picnickers the center of the universe. Yeah, that's pretty fun.cks. This must have been difficult to do without much computer technology. I know, I'm impressed. Dude, fire up the autism engine. This is fucking great Lake sure It's actually a beautiful meditation technique to sit there and do this and then start realizing how many other people out there have their own thoughtaults. Yeah. This is something that I don't know if you guys recognize this name. So Ed Cook, who was a memory etitive memory champion. he's from your motherland He's a Brit. and then he trained, I think it was Joan Eller in a book called Moon Walking with Einstein. So he took a layperson, in this case journalist and trained him up to be memory champion in the U.S. where they have to memorize a shhuffle deck of cards for time and things like this. There are various events kind of like a mental decathlon. As a meditative tool, he does this zooming in,. And there's also a really this is like the Bit roll call here, but I think Oliver Berkman is also one of your countrymen wrote a great book called four thousand Weeks, which is tremendous. And one of the chapters is called Cosmic Inignificance Therapy and it's some version of this. But that is partially why I wanted to ask you, like to what extent do you find it Helful to think about this stuff where perhaps it puts problems in perspective versus Overwhelming in its magnification of your insignificance. There's a great cartoon. I think it's by Asha Poullman and it's a guy saying, not only are your problems insignificant, you're insignificant in the grand scheme of the universe. So it's like this guy who's dealing with like nihilm and then it's like the reframers you also don't matter in the whole universe as well. Yeah. you can have that ens to people. Yeah, so I'm curious for you to personally Um, I I I think it does make me feel kind of cozy in a way. Like I think it makes me feel better because it makes me feel just like to be conscious here for a second as opposed to thinking, like this is the baseline. and oh my God, I'm gonna like die and that's going I'm like it's so cool that I that for a moment in this universe My consciousness formed. so improbable, right? Yeah. And like this tiny little also so again, we just talked about time is really scary. Space is really right crazy And like you said, then goes down to the small. like it gets even smaller than it does big And that's cool. I'm like you know Feynman has this great quote, like, you know, I, a universe of atoms, an atom in the universe. And it's like both of those, right? And it's like Um It does just make me feel like very lucky to be here. And then that then then it feels like I'm playing with House money a little bit. and then like, suddenly debt't I'm like whatever, man. it's like this is so cool. L And just like, I don't know, one, you know, I'm tickled by these thoughts. I find it like endlessly. I get the dopamine hits I get from them. So To me, it just it's usually a positive. I don't like reading about like the rise and fall of empires. You know, There's other parts of the book and I'm like, that's not a nice thought because a lot of these empires are a bit close to home. At their peak, they were really sure or even on the way up, or even on the early way down, they were just they were this is it. We finally are here in the modern times and we figured it out. And like those empires of the past, they made mistakes that we won't make Every single one they had a catastrophic fall Yeah. Well, I was joking with Chris when we did an episode recently that as I think we spoke about this as well, that as every empire falls Nobody announces that the empire has fallen. So it's obviously up for debate, but Rome Most mainstream historians will say that Rome fail in about four, seven, six AD. and And it's almost because it's quite poetic because you have Romulus saw the rise of the Roman Empire, he was the first Roman emmperor, and then young Romulus was disposed and that was the end of the Roman Empire The next day there was no big announcement that the Roman Empire had fallen So much so you obviously have the split of the Roman empire. I think in the seven hundreds AD, Charlemagne is announced as the official Roman emperor So three hundred years later, it was still going on, Voltaire said Empire that call calls itself holy, R an empire is neither holy nor Roman, nor an empire. He said that in seventeen hundred eighty So the actual when it came to everybody deciding the Roman Empire had fallen, it was officially announced, I think by Francis II It was the mid seventeen hundreds. So I joke that the most powerful empire today. When it falls, there'll be people that still think It's obviously people in three thousand will be like, well, of course the US Empire collapsed in nineteen ninety four AD. And we'll be like, hu? what? It's like a punch drrunk boxer that can't admit that he's failing. Yeah. But dude, your career's over. It time you go. Me and Chris can confirm that there was no moment that itertainly of times that the BBC announced the British Empire had fallen. And it's like, when did it happen? It happened, but when did it happen? Yeah. Speaking of stuff that you learned in school, have you seen the retetro codex? haveave you seen this Re, really cool website. So it's a website that teaches you things that you learned in school that are now disproven. Let see we can go in and look at what year you graduated high school and it'll tell you you learned in school and have now been disprovedven. Jared, Can you pull this up for me? So I put this in as two thousands, which would be for me and George Lightning never strikes the same place twice. Lightning has struck several places multiple times. Empire State Building is struck approximately twenty five times a year. Wearing red near a bull will cause it to charge. Blls may not be able to distinguish the color red from other colors. What triggers the bull is movement and physical provocation, not color. The red cape is to conceal bloodstains Goldfish have a three second memory. Goldfish retained memories for weeks,ths and possibly years. George Washington had wooden teeth. He did wear dentures, but they were made of other materials such as tin, gold and lead, human teeth from enslaved indivuals, It's a bitnarly need to wait twenty to thirty minutes after you eat to swim or you'll get stomach cramps and drown. There's no clinical evidence for that. There's another one goo a bit further down. I if you roll your eyes social and folk wisdom checked on the top left. I was like, I don't recall getting down If you pee in the pool, everyone will know because it'll turn green? Hot water washing hands is not it Good back cold water. Yeah, right there. Interesting. I'm learning a few things. Water temperature has not been found to impact the antibacterial efficacy of hand washing. I didn't even know that After a person dies, their hair or fingernails can keep growing. Who thinks Earth is the only planet with water? I don't know about that. But in the two thousands M might you have thought that because Pluto being a planet would have been true when we went to high school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, true brown sugar is healthier than white sugar. Yeah, I just it's nice to and then obviously all of this stuff with the food pyramid. that's got turned literally upside down So some of these will end up being overturned too, but yeah U Oh, for sure. I think when I was thinking about, you know, the way kids are educated, I think that schools do something that I think in some cases like st at least they traditionally that that is maybe the right thing to do, which is you teach the wrong story. The simple wrong story first, just to like the concepts and then later you start to build the newu ones and you realize that the but that's in kind of like like Thanksgiving. I think it's I think it's I learned early on that Thanksgiving was this like wonderful thing and the pilgrims came and the Indians at the time, the Indians were like and everyone was happy and they had this nice feast and U or, you know, just like Columbus discovered the newew world, but like no, he didn't, but like and just like keep it um basic stories seep in. and then later, you can be like, actually, like this is like an allegory kind of for that that represents like a much larger, more complicated, much nastier story often. And I think sometimes right now what they're doing is they're, you know, out of kind of I don't know, you know kind of political reasons or whatever. They' they're teaching kind of very, very like, you know, kind of a hardcore story to really young kids right away that they're front loading the gnari version. Yeah. Exactly, and maybe going too far even in that direction when Like I think I I mean, this is the whole other can of wors, but I think that maybe I want to put put the disguise up likeike I know, I think that um I do think American children should be taught first all these great things about America. They should learn that they're in this great country that has complicated, hass not been perfect, but they've done a lot of great things And it's this wonderful thing and patriotism and be really proud. And then later Later then you can learn a lot more nuance. Or it's the same reason that I think you shouldn't be teaching your kid, you know that like you think your dad's a good person, but you know he cheated when in his twenties?ike you know that he did you know, he got fired. Like you don't do that. You start with the dad's great. O course And then later in life when the kids an adult, you start, I don't this is partisan controversial anymore. You start to then say, you know, dad, you know, dad can say to you, you know, yeah, I'm not perfect. I did this and this but You don't need to front load. smart kids and like it's a very different kind of person to teach. Well, also because I mean, I remember talking to V veryy close friend of mine,'s got a bunch of kids, a wonderful guy, very successful in what he does And I asked him what his parenting advice would be. And his first rule was need to teach your kids to be optimists because action flows from optimism and agency flows from optimism. R. And so what you're describing It sort of creates a picture that you don't want to aspire to engage with and seems antithetical to that. They're like you know, second, third, fourth graders just climate change. Climate change your future iss destroyed. Like why? Who thinks this is a good idea? Right? littleittle little kids? Well, and then the older generationations is like, oh my god, these younger generation are so apathetic. I'm like, yeah,'re getting waterboard Eistential threat all day Yeah would too. I guess it makes sense that the younger you are, the more neuroplastic you are, right? And even like statements like that are quite reflexive. So if if you go on if I go on the news tomorrow and say It's it's going to be a sunny day. I have no impact on whether it's going to be a sunny day But a reflexive system is if I go on the news tomorrow and say, there's going to be a bank run I have an impact on whether there's going to be a bank run. And if you go in thinking America's a terrible country that's going to be quite a reflexive thing for your entire youth. I mean, it's quite funny listening to not that you were complaining to But an American talk about the lack of patriotism in their contry It's two Brits next to the te. Yeah, it's kind of like Chris talking to me about like how he's frustrated with the size of his forearms right now. You know what I mean? Like I'm like, o, okay, I understand, but Yeah, I think it's interesting for America to be going through that when you're still by far the tallest midjit in the room.ight Ttally And by the way, there's so much British history to be proud of. Oh, don't get me stished. This negative land. Don't get me sted him I declare I said this to Chris previously, like we are the most insecure In terms of internal reputation versus external. So if you travel anywhere else in the world, apart from a few places They often like love the UK. But internally they often criticize themselves the most. I'll never forget a friend of mine Uh, came u, his sister came home one day And she said You know what? because Britain is the racist country on earth Anden he paused for a second. and he just said to war You couldn't answer that line about capitalism, it's the worst system apart from all of the other ones It's just a crazy distortion lens and it's so self defeating and it's like this crazy Butcher just got this great line He he says Unlearning is a hundred times harder than learning And if you're laying down those myelin sheets and some kid who's Five years old, six, seven, I don't know when you start to understand what climate is and what power structures look like. Yeah, you're probably best starting off with generalized optimism and getting into specific pessimism or specific scrutiny as opposed to generaliz school, maybe, you know, maybe a little mical elementary school is just' just yeah. 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I heading to drinklmNT. com slash modern wisdom. That's drinklmNT. com Slash. of wisom Well, think about now the UK, it looks like, I don't know if this is actually going to happen. The UK is proposing A social media ban for under the sixteen is the same as Australia's had I haven't seen much of the fallout of this. steered clear of X for the last couple of days I really struggle to see how this is a bad thing. To steal on the other side, before you even get onto the sixteen year old, it's also a You have to use identification now to use social media For anybody over the age? was that a bad idea Its an interesting discussion Everybody's c Okay with it Everyone's got a concern about digital safety. I understand that. But why have you abstained for the last few days for MX? It wasn't loser I was like what was the catalyzing ofvent? It wasn't a choice. It was literally just busy. Yeah. Touching grass.' trying to tkmake. I was't really trying to. I was looking at photos of grass on X actually. It was better. You too busy doomclling on TikTok was the actual? F fewer bugs. Yeah. Australia thing. you're right. What You're such a fuckingn. Cry on on What? Can you? No. Don't interrupt. don't interrupt Winstonch stop interrupting my interruption. Winston Churchill once said to Randolph Churchilly's son at dinner, the best thing ever, which is like, can you stop interrupting my interruption Go on. you go, you go for it. I just don't understand what the counter argument is. I don't understand what it's such anchoring bias because we develop the technology before we put the guardrails around it And I think if you were to invent it today, having known the impact of social media, if it had been worked inside of a faraday cage lab for a long time to look at what the impacts are, it would be like releasing cigarettes into the world, knowing the impact of them. something I imagine that kids were able to smoke. seventy years ago or something. I don't know whether there was ever an age restriction on smoking. I imagine the same would be for alcohol and you start to pick this up over time. The UK has introduced that. a lagging law for vapes now. So I think anybody born after twenty ten will never be able to smoke age just keeps tracking up So it's if you were born, what two thousand six earlier, you're allowed to and it's never going to check you're never going to be able smoke. That's just their attempted You didn't learn to do it in the first instance, therefore we're going you're never going to need to do it in the future. But yeah, I mean, I'm in support of this. I'm interested to hear what Criticisms, push backack against it are, but I don't see any reason why it's a bad idea to put under sixteen put a banner. The smart ones that want to start a business and really need to learn the internet are going to be able to get around it. so they can still be entrepreneurial and the ones that don't. I don't think they're going to miss out on much. What do you guys think in terms of age verification and is there an identification is there an issue stoppingids under sixteen from going on social media? Would you be in support of it? I would be in support of curtailing or forbidding it for sure. one hundred percent. one hundred percent. Yeah, I mean, spending time with Jonathan Hight and so on. I just think the evidence is So compelling I would, I would for sure. I wonder how much of an impact he's had. He has Jonathan H He has a guy. He's had an impact with his small team on a with state by state legislation changes They've been very effective for for a small crack team of researchers and people were mean my last book was about political polarization and wokeness and all of this. He was, you know the chapters ranged from kind of like evolutionary psychology to you know political history to kind of modern current stuff. different kind of gurus for each chapter that were different thinkers that I would like, you know, be be sourcing from and he's the only one who was who who is one of those people in every chapter. Yeah. he's kind of a, you know, I don't agree with everything he says. he's a he's a giant and this is before any of the ever met him in per? Yeahah. He's an actual giant No. No he's very tall. Oh, he is. Yeah. I don't know don' remember that him. he's tall compared to us's that's. Yeah. But he yeah, for people you mentioned anxious generation. Yeah H happppinessy R rightous last name Yeah H A I D T. And happppiness hypothesis is one of my favorite books of all time. He's also just tootdling of the Americauch such a sweet sincere guy. Yeah also I think if you're going to talk about stuff like that, the potential for you to be wr coded, if you want to be effective, you need to signal a lot of placids, peaceful, empathetic, understanding both sides the energy, because if you even begin to lean right and center It immediately looks like so out of touch. My friend and I argue about this because I have a friend who's very conservative And he's very smart. He changes my mind about things sometimes, sometometimes he's over the top, but he that he the people he can't stand the most are kind of Jonathan Hite, Coleman Hughes, these people who agree with who are who are, you know, I argue to him. theseese people are fighting the causes you care about, but they're doing it way more effectively than you would because they're actually reaching center left people. And if you start immediately being like, you know, super tribal and super right coded you you'll never reach any of them. and he just sees them as such he calls the media kiss ups. you know, these people just they still want to be, you know, they they they need to they always need to make sure that that the polite society approves of them. And I totally disagree with him because I think that John Hyde has done unbelievable impact against those kind of over the top left causes that he really doesn't like more effective Yeah. I don't Yeah, and I don't even view it. It's not a partisan issue, right? I mean, I would just because Jonathan's so terrible at asking for money, I would say as someone who plays with scientific funding and stuff like that. if people are looking for ways to kind of bend the arc of history and undo some of the wrongs bills of social media and so on. I think funding. Some of what Jonathan is up to with very small sums of money has a hugely disproportionate impact. Just coming back to what has he done with his small team I just wanted to throw that out. The riffle effects of being able to genuinely, you know push the needle with changing policy with kids and social media is One of the biggest impacts you could make, I think, on the planet right now for you w't even know the effects of it, but thirty years from now, I mean, yeah, ye. Sim, what have you brought from home? You've got a bag? It's. Yeah, I brought just dumb this conversation down a little bit. I brought a bunch of show andnt tell items. I got adult show and tell. I like it. Fire up the autism engine Let's see'll I'll start with I have a little engine that's y. I'll start with this. So this is called Bte And the subtitle is pretty simple. No, it's one hundred and twenty four bits, but it's bitses and little pieces of what look like candy. Mouthwash bits And this was recommended to me by Dr. Tommy Wood. He's a neuroscientist, also a beast of an athlete, but a very credible scientist, very well published And he and I were having a conversation about Derent approaches for neuroprotection hopefully mitigating the risk of neurodegenerative disease, and oral health is a really big one And yes, you can brush your teeth, yes, you can use like a water pick or something like that. But Xylitol is really, really as an intervention So you could choose outv all gum, you could do this, that and the other thing. but I found Ultimately, everything I read so compelling that I started using these, which he recommended and these are really simple. Well, you're going to need water if you chew on it. So you basically for travel, but also at home, rather than having mouthwash, you take one of these, I'll show what they look like I mean, it literally just looks like a little piece of candy or like an aspirin. And we have water here. Well, I'm gonna to spit it out. You can't swallow it. So or you probably shouldn't swallow it. So you just you chew on it, take like a couple tablespoons water in your mouth, sish it around for thirty, sixty seconds, then spit it out and that's it. and you just do that. better than normal mouth wasash because of the xyltol content along with a couple of other things. So for sort of antibacterial effects, and I know people, I'm not going to mention this person by name, but MDPHD who had cavities started using xyletol twice a day and went back to the doctor or the dentist rather no cavities. It it's like, it's pretty interesting. That's end of one, of course. I don't know what's there in the literature with respect to that. But found it interesting enough and it's so lightweight as an intervention that I was like, okay, I will start doing that. And anything that you can kind of just like ha on your desk and just like pop one in and, you know, while you're you'll do a lot more. And yeah, I mean, my compliance with this Also with the amount of travel that I do is tastes good really Yeah, yeah, yeah. just tastes like kind of like candy. A friend of mine wanted me to get into organ meat and I'm like, I'm not gonna grind organ meat into my smoothie. I'm sorry. He does this. That sounds great. And then he got me these pills atedver. Itestral supplement. Yes. It's something like that. And it's's like five or six and whatever, a day. And I just because it's on my desk and I just see it there. I pop it in And I do it every day now now I have work. So I understand when people are designing their workspace that you're supposed to keep it relatively undistracted. L if you're going to be in creative flow mode, maybe you do want some newspaper cuttings and like some cool art on the wall, but for the most part trying to lock in and not get distracted. so right, having a an environment that pushes you toward behaviors that you want to do Sean Purry has a basketball on his desk and he thinks better when he's tosing him. I played ball sports as a kid. It's the same. My best idea is almost always come and I've got a tennis ball in my hands or some sort of and I'm just able to throw I don't know what's going on. Maybe it just distracts the front of my brain a little bit. The other one is that om lamp that me and you' have got. So this is a lamp around about this big and there's a little stone on the top of it. and the stone is an FDA quality HRV sensor Pick it up, hold it in your hand and the light goes up and down and the sounds and it's using an algorithm to maximize your heart rate variability. So it's resonance breathing. that you can do in three minute chunks The best thing is you can turn off all of the settings on it and it vibrates. it's like haptic, vibrates in your hand pick it up and hold it And you can watch a movie. I went and checked 'cause I talked about it on my newsletter this week. I've done one hundred and sixty hours of resonance breathing in six months Just this year I've done one hundred and sixty hours because I just grab it next to I've got one in my office, one, one here one there Grab it and I just breathe in time with this vibrating thing. So if you're watching something with just like subconscious, and you're just tracking it up and down and it's adjusting based on what your heart rate is doing. It's linked in with the WiFi. So it's link it once, never think about it again. The algorithm is cutting edge. and all you do is you just grab this stone and hold it and breathe with it and it vibrates. and there's one on my desk. So if I'm about to sit on a call where I need to be quiet for ages, I'll just grab it and have it. I mean, I don't hold it too close but you know what I mean Yeah, I have hundreds of fidget toys like of all different kinds and I get like I put I have a certain like dish on my desk that these are the ones that arere in the rotation right now. and I have all the whole archive,. but where did you get your fidget toys? Oh my go. for Instagram ads iss deadly for me. It's figured me out. Specs, there's Spaks d. com I think is just that they have amazing like soft silicone covered magnets and like stretchy things. and I have silly putty and I've got mechanical toys and you know it's an important thing for me. That's why If I don't have those, I'll bite my nails. That's why these toothpick things or an equivalent, but the Ntonic neutropicks are just a bit of an oral fixation. working away, writing something, Y business partner, Josh. because he's a real caffeine fiend, like ex Yitei fighter now Brazilian Ji Jitsu dude like kind of hardcore guy just started stacking them on a morning and got onto a call. I think it was with you and he had six in his mouth because he'd never taken any of the old ones out. He just kept adding them in. So he looked like a camel that was chewing on a bit of straw and he had all of these things poking out the front of his mouth Yeah. I find that you've ever you know, I don't know if you're like me, but if I'm if I'm sitting my desk and a friend calls me and we're talking. and then I get really like animated He say something, I'm like, yes, I want to make this point hundred percent I'm up I'm walking, pacing, right? And even if I'm driving and I get home and I'm in a good phone call, I'll just keep looping around because it's something about the movement Um And then so I think, well, why am I sitting at my desk when I'm writing? Like it's probably something about my mind really lights up. L it wants to physically move. It's all tied together. So like, you know, I'll just do a standing desk with one of those rockers or a treadmill. You know, they have these like little rockers and it's just kind of like, I don't know, it just keeps you moving. but I don't know. I just feel like yeah, I'm physically engag. Have you ever played with dictation, any AI dictation or anything as a way of brainstorming while walking? I've been doing that recently. I've done it for brainstorming like outlines of posts, talking through it. yeah. But even better for me, if there's someone on the other end, especially someone I like respect. So this is my assistant, Alicia, who has been working with me for ten years She knows exactly what I'm working on, and she's like, you know, really tapped in obviously. So I will just sometimes say, I'm stuck. We will do a call and she will basically say nothing, but her being there she will give feedback at the end sometimes, but that's not. She knows the game is he's going to talk to me now and he's gonna crack his own thing by the end of this con this conversation. So you don't record them or you do? I usually what I'll do is and while I'm talking to her I'll say line and I'm like, yes and I'll write it down. And' like where the he was that I was thinking alone? I think I wasn't talking to someone. So what my weirdest new habit that I've done is I've tried to essentially give up all thought by the brain So. Let me explain. Let me explain So lots of nitrous. Yeah Most people or my former self existed in the kind of simmering sex. so the middle kind of ambient rumination, rumination, rumination And the big trend at the minute is the whole retard maxing to stop thinking, which I think iss a bit ridiculous I think what you actually want is a barbell. So you want sometometimes you do the retard maxing mode And then sometimes you're doing the Einstein maxing mode, but that bit in the middle disappears. So for me, I stopped thinking my brain. I only what I mean by thinking by the way is if it's like a Tim's got denim jeans on, that's a thought that's okay. But as soon as I get into a Well, I've got this thing tomorrow You could do thing tomorrow,'splaying thing tomorrow,'s doing the thing about tomorow. I didn't think If I catch that going more than two or three loops, it's okay I can either think with my hands. so write it down Raphaldo Emerson described as When you would write Rather than thinking your head, you go from being drunk to sobering up Even the working memory that we have in our head is what like seven plus or minus two, I'm probably at the five mark. So you That's one of the reasons why you look, you almost advised once by a cognitive behavioral therapist who said you would never do even a moderate equation in your head. Yet we will do the most complex life decisions just there for years, ruminating, ruminating, ruminating. And it's an example of where the ten thousand hour rule actually doesn't work. If anything, you get worse and worse and worse. So either think with my hands Or as you mentioned then think with your mouth or think gr your feet So as you're walking. So as soon as I get in one of those loops, I'm like it has to be No brain, hands Mouth, feet I like that The story you just told resonated because when I was totally stuck on my first book for months, could not figure out how to crack. This really important section and I hired a woman who worked as a ghostwriter, but I wasn't going to use her that way to interview me on a phone call. I effectively just ended up talking and cracked it by the end of the conversation and I was like, oh I just need to get out of And like what is it? So you're like self referential. There's a part of your brain that is capable of this thing. And for some reason, when you weren't talking, you're thinking, it's just not, you're not accessing it. Like it's strange, but it's wild. Yeah Well, I assume if I had to think about from a neuroscience perspective, you're probably using more of your default mode network, as you're ruminating As you're moving your lips, as you're moving your hands, you're activating a different part of the brain. And through that activity, it's almost like you're just releasing the taps You must know from like Kelly Sart's stuff and just way that the human body and brain works, whyy is it that we want to locomot as soon as we start thinking about something deeply or we have that conversation? Becauseuse it's the same for me. If I get on a good call, even if I now have a habit that if somebody just rings and I've got nothing to do, I'll get up and go for a walk because horay, it's good to get stepps in. But there's other times where you start to get really animated and you just find yourself walking.ike What is it about the act of walking that makes thinking easier I'm not sure. I don't know. I mean, Kelly Starret, people should look up becoming the suble celebrity. He's very famous PT, performance coachound really knows what if you've ever used like a lacrosseball to loosen up or like distraction with a band or something like that, he popularized a lot of that stuff. The couch stretch named by Kelly, etcetera So he's worth looking up. I don't know. There are people who do really well sitting still U My fidget fix is like Japanese slash East Asian like pen spinning. That's a whole thing U people can find like a twenty year old YouTube video of me showing like the basicsics of this, but I'll just sit there doing different types of spinning with a pen My move, pacing also huge pacer. For me, I think it could be I'm just speculating here, but occupying a part of your mind that is, for instance, like the monkey mind, right? I think this is part of the reason why flow states often include some Kin aesthetic whether it's mus, playing violin or something like that, surfing, whatever it might be I think that there is an occupying of certain cognitive faculties or looping mechanisms that is aided with physical movement, but that's just it's like when my fifteen month old is annoying me and I'm trying to do something, I'll just like hand her something to occupy her, and then she's like, it's like a little like there's like a fifteen month old in my head that's like, a And I'm like give something and then it's fiddle the fidget spinner. and fiddle the fidget spinner. Did you know yourour gut controls your energy, your recovery, how well you absorb everything that you eat and the one nutrient that keeps it all running properly is fiber? Well, it turns out that ninety five percent of Americans don't get enough of it, which is why I'm such a huge fan of Mements is fiber pllus. 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Yeah,Qion As you was talking earlier about the treadmills and all the fidget spinning devices and the Instagram ads and you're buying stuff I had like a I was thinking in my head of If you was born Ten years ago Did you say if you was born? sorry, if you were born, it's again, British English coming in It's not British. I liked it.. British English talk so much more cool than If you was born around about ten years ago, listening, mate Would you have been like diagnosed of ADHD Yeah, this is like the age old question in my mind is do I have any my classic example of it or not? And like I guess I don't know. Um I wonder if I were born, yes, in that age, whether I would have been like medicated because I was a class clown. but I did well in school. And it was ever hard for me to like, I always assume think of like real ADHD as like you're sitting during a test and you're just like, you can't focus on the test. You need extra time. That was once I had adrenaline like, oh, shit, I was like, I could focus really well So I don't know I don't know I don't what You you get calmer with stimulants? Are there certain stimulants where you end up like actually calming down and focusing, or do you get agitated with stimulants? For me, what it is like there's like a perfectionism that is if once I I can't transition, I'm awful at transitioning. I will procrastinate from starting work for hours. And once I get have to start once I'm in it, now I'll get going and then someone will interrupt me like and I'll miss dinner because I just want to keep working. So it's like it's this weird like I'm very a lot of inertia for whatever I'm doing. And that to me is a huge thing is just like There's no adult around making me start work and I grew up that is a crutch always. I had to go to class. I had to finish this. I had to. And now there's no one. so I will just self defeat for hours and waste the good part of the day. And then finally, so that's why I would again another thing I'd do with my But Alicia is A is your s. Yes. I will shhare my screen with her at like ten AM And she got got to be working on. You got to be very careful with that depending on how your day goes. Yeah You have spaces go to a safe space and and she is we're working on her own thing. I don't know when she's looking at my screen and when she's not. She's probably not usually, but she might be And so I'm not going to prorastinate in front of someone that's moreorifying. a digital panopticon. Yeah, it's great. There are services that allow do this they'll pair you with someone else and you work at the and you work at the same time. I can't recall. It has to be someone that really knows like if I'm on a certain research page They might not know is he procrastinating?'s not she'll be like, that's not relevant. what are you doing? You know like you're going too far. Will she actually police you She usually she's very like Tim no porn her until two PM. Yeah. she will say something about it that nightight. Ionic f. It's just World War two. I tell you what, I've got two things. Number one We've discussed this earlier. I'm always trying to Um, create new vocabulary for myself. I feel it activates a certain part of the brain. Do you remember my favorite word that I invented five, six years ago that you love fly dripping? Yeah, fly dripping. So I was once stood at a toilet. and you know men do this where they piss around the seat and And I was like What's the word for that?ait hs around the seat.. You know when somebody urinates on the toilet seat I usually try to avoid this. exactly, ye Yeah, toilets isn't it a public toilet you may see it, rightes So I kind of came up with the term fly dripping for that. And what's useful about beginning to create your own language is, I mean, I' have to talk about the benefits of languagage as I'm using language Interesting, this is the first word that you develop. That's the first word that I develop. Or terms as a whole. So one of the things that worked with the high agency piece that I did, or even just having that language meant that I had a name for sessentially an idea that people already knew or that I already knew, but it compressed like five thousand words into two words. I was like, hold on I don't have a term for that Well it's quite metet, I don't have term for And then Scott Alexander had this term called an idea handle. So with an idea handle, you can kind of pick up ideas by like coining terms. So the two ones I've been trying to coin last week the following. So number one, tashes law So like the artist, Keser. Keser's law is whenever you're creating art tryry not to use any modern references because it may come back to bite you in the arse. So the artist is Kha. love the wayormally known. This may not be the best podcast in the world but we have the highest range. We've gone from bllack holes you. Soay what you what about the quality of you can't knock the range. Amber Kesa, her number one song was startarted with wake up in the morning feeling like P Diddy Hm. That's tough now. So what she did like, what do you do? If you're h's areck on her own song. Yeahes so what she did was wake up in the morning feeling like me So now when did she do that? So quite recently in terms of the rebrand around the whole P Ddy scapades, now she's come out and done wake up in the morning P Didd which is a little bit. but she the story. But ultimately, if you put a P dididdy bottleneck in there, whereere is a comma in that seventence? Wake up in the morning, Ca, Kes' Piddy? Kes's law. So whenever you're creating things, you've got to avoid modern things Another law I've tried to create recently I was watching, I don't know if you guys have seen the new Michael Jackson documentary on Netflix and there's a scene in there. It's only like so much Nland I can hand. Yes yeah. forgot himim. Sorry to bring it up. you can walk out if you need to. There's a scene in there that's explained some stuff that we've discussed Okay. imagine you have an axis like here. so you have Um essentially being awful person or crimes that you might be able to commit. And I'm not even going discuss Michael's ones just yet. and then you have talent. As you go talent can essentially get out of the axis and MJsK people like, he's too funny, it's fine.y. Well, MJA, and there's something about music that Like for example, no offense to you Chris I think you're a lovely podcaster. Okay If you started nonscing, right? If you became like a I'm not talented enough to get away with Nobody's like nobody is like going that whole hosy pod. You know what I mean? Like people but music. so this is the crazy thing. So Michael is in the defense for this pedophilia charge And there's the the guy who did a documentary on him And they're showing the documentary. So it's where Michael's kind of got his hand around a child and they're like talking about the child's talking about how he didn't want to go into Michael's bed, but Michael at asked him to come into his bed. ' playing the whole documentary as proof of potentially his crimes. But within the documentary It plays some of his music So what's interesting you have both the defense The judge, the jury Even the defense said when they played Billy Jean Yeah I saw himself doing that. He saw the judge notod in his head I wass like, wow MJ's Lw, you could be the defense could hear your music and still bop their head. You still get you're giving them like actual like pleasurable dopamine hits and that makes that dis endearing. Yes. There's we talk about this a lot of people that are in the pop culture, thinkers, speakers, artists, whatever How who is it that's got the largest bank account that they could withdraw from before they go into Bill Cosby social was probably number one. and and he if if you would ask me before all the Bill Cosby Scandal came out I would have been like Bill Cosby's the number one like like least likely to be canceled person. And it turns out what he did was so bad. That is well. If you're gonna, you know, like actually like Rofy dozens and dozens of like young women that you're promising like career breaks to, that is so bad that like even Bill Cosby, that you can't even, you know, correct. But you didn't have a masama Masama Musa. Yeah. I think that's true Bill Cosby had released a banger. I think music weirdly it's almost comedy before music seems to destroy the human brain more than comedy.. So for example, if you really dislike a comedian or they've done something awful, you can almost not find them funny. whichich is why I use the example Th then if Chris was in court, again, I'm planting these rumorss, but if Chris was in court for doing something horrific, and they pulled up his four K set with Matthew McConughy doesn't do anything But there's something about music. Someone really funny, I think it j same but not to the level. Not to the level. Now another example would be And this doesn't work for the whole population, but Political tribalism is like this just powerful drug that just makes brains crazy. And so if you're political tribe, you're really tri, if you're a really politically tribal person and the person that you are that is, you know, part of your team, you'll forgive anything. And you can see this with a lot of famous politicians today. You can like s I think that the people of that tribe or you can see with like, you know, other kinds of tribalism like There are Many people who ref Justie Simleette is innocent. He was and there's every bit of evidence, but like because it get taps into a really tribal thing, the people that see him as like on our side and the people criticizing him are the bad guys. L there's nothing that could make them turn on him Could I workshop a new word with you guys right now? Shoot. All right. I've been struggling with this because I like doing the same thing. I like these The invention of words, right? And so like I'll give two examples of ones that I'm proud of rightly or wrongly. One is a word tell adultery. Tell adultery is when you and your partner have watched a show together and then someone separately watches more episodes without you Oh, that's good. Televisionagry. Tell exactly what it feels like. Yeah, tell adulterry. You're like, how could you, right? Yeah And then the newer one, which is like,, it's not quite as good, but I like it. There's something there is hallucinatives, like the first generations to assume that LLM responses are fact to do no cross checking. Hllucinatives, right It's like,h, it's not bad. I mean, it's not as good as tellell adultery. Tell adultery is going stick in the lexicon. That one I put up this like probably ten years ago on Twitter. So my but it was Twitter. so we'll see. I st I had fly dripping. I st Fly dripping's not bad. The a niche issue. Oh the one I want I'll tell you some McDonald's in Nor Start enn's if you fight Startich Startich. The one that I've been trying to figure out is and this maybe I'm the only one, I don't think I am where everyone is so overwhelmed with notifications and bullshit on their phones that At least most of my friends have do not disturb me So they'll be like, Sherman, call me and then you call them and it go straight voemail and And they're like, no problem, I'll call straight back. They call you back and it go straight to voicemail. So it's this like do not disturb death loop. but I have not been able to come up with like a piththy word for this. I always joked that if I could have a job It would essentially be this. So if I could have any job in the world that I would do for free comoming up with these words. the one I so this type of thing or it would be You probably don't get it as much in America, but in the UK you have the proper British red tops, so it'll be And they do horrific things like what's Rd topop? Red Top will be like the newspap proper like scummy newspapers.. But they'll have something like Wayne Rooney's shged a prostitute that's a grandma and they're running the story tomorrow and they need some to write the headline. It it like Nork Nar N York The ability to I actually hate the articles, but the ability for just somebody to give me a story and then just say we need We need a horribleon. Yeah, yeah, w this head on. ye. Yeah Yeah, I'm thinking about like disturb blp Like do not loop or uh, Disturb aede, which makes me think about like the human center. Like Aura Boros, like playing something into that could be funine. Something like with a boomerang. We could throw that one out to the audience too. last one's in the comments below for when you ring someone and it's do not disturb and. I will say like as a blogger, do not disturb all the way down. Like explaining things and coming up with like terms and stuff like that. and it's like most of the terms don't stick and the the like posts are ideas of mine that have gone most viral or just stuck around the most or almost always like where I nailed the term. and it really is like it is uch an important thing because if you can really I mean, look, look at cancel culture It was this concept Pople said, you know where people are al there's too much political correctness or like, you know,' it's a little bit you know, it's like it feels like there's wch hunts. It wasn't quite getting it. And then this one term iteration. labeled it. Yeah. and exposes it. now you're acting kind of like that. And it just it did a number on it. It was really like it was it was a powerful, it changed the culture war, this term. I mean, so you can examples like that are just so and people who can do that really well. Oh, canan I throw out one more related to that Tier like a racketeer, someone who labels others for profit or gain of some type, but big a. That's great. Very nice. That's great.. So what are some of the blog posts that have really nailed the terminology. Like You you mentioned the TedD Tal that's gone really viral. And I think part of what was successful there was procrastination is something that so many people experience and was just, again, putting labels to things like I called that when you are crastinating. I said, you know, I described you're in the dark playground And it's a specific thing where you're're you're ding around social media you're texting when you're looking up one of your blog posts You you're texting with your friends and you're doing whatever and it is you're in the playground. You're having fun, right? It's leisure time, but it's not fun at all. this is just dread and guilt and stress and anxiety that you're here and you know you should start working and you feel this It's not fun. That's why it's the dark playground. But now I get messages from, you know, mothers that are saying, my son, my nine year old son said, Oh, momom, I'm in the dark playground. I need to get out And it's like, okay, know, that was a successful term. And it's like, yes, you know It's interesting. ye. The leverage What about the leverage that exists? What about the tail end? Yeah, is that am I uniquely affected by that? I don know that one and's this you guys know this blog post? Yes, I think so. Yeah. You should describe it because this was sent to me by friend Matt Molenwag and like it's I still think about it costant. You remember the guy that sent it to you? Oh yeah, yeah. You want to have if yeah So this was this is why I like blogging because I want to take lots of swings at the bat swings swings of the bat because then you might hit a home run once in a while and you don't know which ones, but if you're just doing, that's why books is like one giant swing over three years. I't like that. And this is an example of one where I was procrastinating during the SpaceX post. I was writing the SpaceX post and I was like You know what I should really do is write another blog post. Yeah. classic. Classic thing, I was like, I have an idea I'm do instead of doing this like big giant mountain, I'm just gonna like, o, I'm just gonna to do this little idea that I've had for a long time. But then I thought about it in bed in the morning and I was like, oh, okay, I know how I want to do it. And then I just got up and did it in a couple hours and it made one of those that really made a big impact. and The idea is that So one of the things I like to do is just like use visuals or whatever to look at how much time we have. I like to zoom out. and I don't want to just unconsciously go through life and then be like, o wow, like look how much time pass. I never, I want to be like How let's just look at it. How many weeks are there left if I lived to ninety like let's just Let's just see this for what it is. and so I'm not like cught, you know, I'm not blindsided by it later And so I would think about, okay,' you know, even just watching the World Cup, I'm like, maybe have twelve World Cups left depending on like longevity research. And that's if I'm lucky, you know, And how many Christmas, how many? Exactly. So I do this kind of thing. But then I kind of had a disturbing thought, which was, not all of the important things in life are evenly distributed. World Cups are Christmas are. I grew up spending three hundred and fifty days a year with my parents or whatever, know, when I got older I went to camp, maybe three thirty, over three hundred days a year with my parents Um and my sisters And Um And then you graduate and, you know, you move either go to college or whatever you're doing, you know if you move out of the city, especially You might see your parents, I don't know, ten days a year twenty days a year, I don't know. If they live in your city, maybe you see them eighty days a year or whatever But either way, the number is much smaller. And so then I you know, I was like, well if you actually add up the total number. if I just say I'm seeing them fifteen days a year right now. So that's I need twenty years now to capture one year of parent time when I was a kid Wow, if you look at the whole number, I'm ninety five percent of the way through with my in person relationship with my parents. And this was I had this thought when you graduated high. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly when you graduate. So now I'm even older, right? And so And this is if you're lucky, if your parents live long lives. and It was super depressing and also one of those things where I'm like, I need some thoughts I have that are ideas that are depressing and don't serve any positive purpose. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to just share my misery and spread it This I was like, no, this is important. We need to look at this. We need to look at this. for two reasons. One, if you are living in California and your parents are in New York or whatever, and you are seeing them ten days a year and that's just a reality. Or again, with a friend, there's some friends I saw all the time in high school that I'll see once every five years now. onnce every five years sometimes. These are close friends Um I might see that friend ten more times, period. I might see my parents only I don't know, two hundred more times, one hundred and fifty hundred more times And so if that's the reality Be like staring it in the face and being aware of it will at least make you treat those times you are together as what they are, which is precious Or also, you can maybe make a big change. I've had people tell me they move back home to where their parents are because of this post. because if you go from liivving in California til you move back home and you see them now sixty days a year, you actually just brought that percentage down. Oh, instead of being ninety four percent done, I'm only eighty one percent done. Like, that's you can change the equation So it's this actually really empowering thing, or at least, you know, I'm not living in the same city as my parents, but I've become so adamant about like we need to all see each other every eight weeks, likeike somehere. it needs beit We visit my sisters there, then we visit home then we have Thanksgiving, then you should all come here for this So it's like it's helped motivate me too. I mean, and again, it's not pleasant, but having the delusion that we have endless time together is not helpful. It encourages a bias for action. Yeah. One of the worst things to do is to identify something Uncomfortable It feels like you can't change or fix. That is where people really, really don't like, you know, this is how bad social media is for you. And people push back against that a lot because I feel I feel like it's out of my control. I kind of agree with the problem, but you haven't yet given me or the solution feels a little bit more out of reach than the. I mean I just start I personally start taking my whole family on a family trip every like year to two years I did that up until my parents were physically incapable of doing it. But like that post was a real catalyst. conversations that I had with Matt and other people about it, and I was like Like, look, I'm not going to move back home. I don't have any desire to live in the middle of nowhere, but At least we can block out like two to three weeks of concentrated time where we're sharing these adventures together with the anticipation of the trip leading up to it Its a big piece of it, We have the memories and is that from you? That from you is one of my favorite ideas. Look at this just mutually filating each other One of my favorite things for you is that most you promised it in the text to me, so is true. like Bonnie Blue R You're right, you're insight. It range. It is the most the highest range, highest range just on the planet Um Y your idea that the holiday that you go on, you should book them as far out in advance as possible because so much of the enjoyment is done in anticipation. So there was this great study done a while ago. I did my master's dissertation on the effectiveness of anti alcohol advertising on students at Newcastle University. I wanted to see what sort of interventions we could do to try and reduce Drinking was a problem, not not drinking, which is now the new problem. U but the u The thing I realize is doing a little bit of reading a bit of research around this was A study was done looking at when people enjoy nights out the most. And this included people that were drinking. so you'd think, how many drinks deep is it? Is it when you arrive at the nightclub? Is it when the music? the mainline DJ comes on, the headline DJ and everyone's there and they're having a great time. No It was in the flat in the apartment. As you were getting ready for the night out. like the middle of the bullseye of dopamine and human satisfaction is things are about to get a little bit better than Friday three PM at work is the happier moment than midday Saturday. Correct.. And by the way, the inverse of that is, if something shitty that I'm going to dread is on my plate, I want to know about it as late as possible I had six months to think about that I have a TedD talkal hanging over that's gonna add this horrifying thing over the horizon. I wish someone had just told me a month before you have to. If you want to speak at your wedding, tell me freaking ten days before. Do not give me six months from I'm like after that wedding, I had to come up with a really good speech. Oh, that's so good. you're front loading the paint. Exactly, as well as front. So you want to know about things where ahead and you want to know about the gang banger you're in advance. But tell me about the tax return one week before It depends on the details. which side in the game bang you want to be true. You the most depressing version of your kind of tail end thing, it's this old proverb in China And its essentially goes along the lines of like The saddest feeling in the world is to grow the desire takeake care of your parents, only to realize they're no longer there proverb in Chinese culture my Jesus Christ Jared You you ever considered that you might have a drinking problem I don't consider a lotck Chris. Well, you drank an entire case of athletic bwincoa last night non alcoholic That's not a problem. Sorry, man, I just kept chugg and wait for the regret to creep in. never happened See, most people, like Jared, don't want to change what they drink. They just don't want the next day to be a complete write offff. And that is why I'm such a huge fan of Athletic brewing coat. 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It's in romanticizing a life. G is always greener A person always finds an untraveled path alluring and mysterious, that's why the issue isn't making the right choice. It's choosing and deciding which regret you'll live with. And that was that Douglas Murray line. In life, we must choose our regrets. and you go okay In advance of a big decision, you might want to think, which decision do I want to live with? but the better question is which regret could I not bear living with? Yeah, that's the one. It's a little like if you're you someone who you can't be too perfectionist about finding your life partner, it's like, which Flawed person and flawed relationship are you going to choose? And each one is going to have different set of flaws And I think both of these cases internalizing that is very helpful because it can make you realize that if I have regrets, it doesn't mean something horribly wrong happened. this if marriage is imperfect, it doesn't mean I did something wrong. like and so it can help you accept whichich is half the battle. I mean, it's like regret is only really painful when you feel like I wish I could I made a huge mistake. As opposed to like this is pos is a call that I made. Yeah. So thinking about pendulum swinging in one direction or the other, going from we were worried about binge drinking in twenty ten when I wrote my dissertation. And now in twenty twenty six, we're worried about sobriety culture coming and taking away the way that people are able to communicate and spend time and socialize An equivalent for this, I think, and I've messaged Scott Galloway about this too, as a famously unmarried man in his thirties. the conversation of You don't need to think that deeply about your life partner to now a lot of the biggest reels that Scott's done and Warren Buffet, the single most important decision that you're going to make in your life is your life partner. This is a piece of advice that distributes unevenly to people. It makes people who are already prone to overthinking feel even more pressure. Meanwhile, the people that were just blasse making decisions on vibes are just coasting through it. and it's applying even more pressure. I think this is It's a noble insight, which is, hey, this is an important decision. And if you choose if you choose wrong, It can make your life hell the Don't choose wrong turns into I must Perfect. I must become a perfectionist in choosing right. And it creates paralysis of analysis. This is David Epstein's new book Inside the Bx Fucking money, by the way. Really, really good. Yeah, really Yeah, that what's the basic promise I have an old one to recommend too. Constraints breed creativity Oh yeah,. I mean he is really great at bringing stories together. but he has this what was it called The Magic Company? What was that It was all of the engineers from Apple U and it was the first ever Goldman Sachs IDa IPO So they didn't even have a product, but they just had such an amazing team that they IPO just with ideas And they were able to do. they had unlimited budget. they'd IPO before they had a product. And he gives this example of a story where they were going to create basically the iPhone before the iPhone And one of the engineers said, I'm going to run it from nineteen oh four Let's say it's going be hundred yearsos, something like that, let's say And another engineering team came in and said, well why do it from then? Why not do it from further back because people might be using apps for historical recording and souff they said, okay, I'll do it from yourzer. and we'll get up to two thousand four whenever it is And another team came in and said, Well, that's stupid. Why't you all the way back to the beginning of time so that we've got a full calendar that people can And it ended up what could have been four lines of code turned into this huge un wieldy project. This is general magic. If you've done Geral magic if that was it There's a great documentary on this and it's also like If I can interject for a second, it's like a Yodaorsky's Dune. I don't know if you guys have ever seen this documentary. it's about this ill fated attempt to make a Dune movie, which was just I guess it was made by this crazy man named Yodaorsky. and goes through all these disasters and it didn't work out, but the team ended up being Geiger who designed the alien and so on the talent density of that failed project was so high. It's hard to believe. This is true with general magic too, right? You had like very, very young Tony Fidel who went on to create the iPod and the iPhone You've got person went on to create Android U It's it's kind of nuts. And despite that or in say in spite of having this incredible talent density. it's if you don't have constraints, well, you a lot of brilliant people with a lot of ideas that could actually be a fatal recipe. R R. Yeah. C constraints This is other we say coming up with the term is really important. Well it's also just like, don know just getting a certain like uh concept that can help anchor your rationality. So like, One of the things I've always thought about with relationships for perfection because I'm like this And And one of the times when I was able to kind of like finally you know, pull the pin. Yeah, is because I think I grew up a little bit and was in enough relationships and I was like, again, the fact that like they're all flawed, every single one. So But you also don't wantan to be like, well, they're all flawed. So this relationship is fine and it's actually really bad. right? So it's more like what are there if there's thirty things you would love to have in a partner? Um You're one hundred percent going to be missing a bunch of those in every part. What are your deal breakers? Like actually think about two or three or four donon't get too much with these that are like, this is critical to me. Like I will not marry someone who does not, you know, whatever. I say on both sides of the fence because they can be things that you must not have Yes and things that you must have. Eactly. And And I think it's a mistake. being perfectionist is enough to sacrifice on those deal breakers And I think it's been way too much for perfectionist to be like,, you know, it's like she's not, you know, she doesn't love to jam music with me. And I did that with my previous girlfriend and that's a's like you can't have a ton of those or you're never gonna ever no one's ever going to be enough. One of the biggest issues in relationships that people don't talk about enough are time lag issues.. Like if you don't go to bed and wake up within maybe an hour of your partner, I think that there's a lot that you're missing like just literally you're missing out on a lot of time together. but I think it causes an awful lot of friction between you and your partner because like you're going to be woken up when they get into bed. they're going to be woken up when you get out of bed, sleep's really important, There's health effects, going to begin to resent them. if they come in at different times. Maybe some people are lazay fair enough or a deep enough slee that it doesn't really matter. But I think aligning the sleep rhythm is probably one of the sort of unseen that should be a In order to get into the conversation that's probably across the board, a piece of advice that most people should sh. complete deevil's advocate just because I' have historically had very str shap relationship Yeah Yeah, I mean, in some very good relationships, including my current relationship, but It's a few hours, I would say er often, it's like one to two hour gaps. She'll get up before I do. Uh I think it can work if you are okay with going to bed at different times. Also as soon as you have a puppy or a child, like You're on the same schedule Be or someones doing do in the morning that the person's going to sleep. So actually it might actually be adaptive. Yeah. if you've got someone that goes to bed at three in the morning typically and you're like, okay, well, you're obviously going to do the night shift up until three. And then if your misses is usually getting up at five, it's like all right, we'll just run that back a little bit earlier and then I usually up a little later and I'll usually like close down the house and like clean up the kitchen a little bit and like turn off all the lights and the dog out. And then like she'll be more likely to wake up and do morning stuff. Before we move on from terms, we are still struggling to fucking name this podcast series. It's currently Rabbit Hole, which is the working title, but we're still struggling. Was it? uh Fuck me good dudees, good vibe, rabbit hole's pretty good. Fuck me. autis fire up the autism engine was another one, obviously, but Yeah, it's this rabbit hole describe what we've done today. We've just gone down twenty twenty rabbit holes and me you, underground burr to a different rabbit hole and then come back. It's funny, the power of a name though, right? You know, here's a little here's a little test for you. Here we go Have you ever heard of a book called Women, Love and Relationships No, no, because nobody fuckinged it this book released, I think it was in the eighties or the nineties. sold nothing. came along, changed the title Sheazzed it a little bit to Mena from Mars Women are from Venos and it was the best selling book of the nineties. And just it was basically the same book, differentiffnt title Well, it's like was the last time you had Patagonian toothfish. Not recently, right Chelany Bass Yeah we're talking questestion. Given that we've got we've got two authors and one fledgling author at the table. What is a book that you think is amazing but failed because of its name. Oh, greatreat question So my kind of go to for this is a little bit niche but it's mate by Tucker Max and Jeffrey Miller to become the man womomen want, to evolutionary psychology inspired Dating book for men. Is that a bad title? or is it too generic? I just think it should have done because models by Mark Manson also, I reckon had he have given it a little bit more magic. because it's still great and it's still relatively well, but could have been significantly better for what it was. Mate by Tucker Max and Jeffy Miller is one of the best, if not the best book for guys to understand, understand how women think, understand what their fears are. It's very sort of both sides of the spectrum in terms of being understanding about women, being pro men without being too apologetic. and it fucking rips I think they even renamed it once. I'm not sure why, but it's that's just one that comes to mind. like fuck, that book was so good. didn't take off and I feel like there was a big unlock in the name. I think with a book, it helps I think with like certain things like a company or Even like a blog, maybe, it's like like XKCD. I think if I were advising my friend before that started, I would have been like, no one's doing random letters. likeain know what that is. Yeah everyone will be like, you you should read that blog. It has the four letters, and they' be like, what obviously in massive success. You want to explain what it is for people? EXCD is Randall Monroe's, He's this, you know, brilliant comic. He's a, you know, he does he does a three comic Monday, Wednesday, Friday. He also put out books like comic sts Yeah, it's a comic strip. But it's like nerdy and science and he's just it's amazing And It has a been around forever. Yeah, cult following. Yeahah. It's been doing it forever and u And he probably gets more reads than, like, anything in like the, you know, the comics of the newspapers these I mean he's probably bigger than, um, But so I think, although maybe the fact that not everyone's heard of him, maybe it would be even bigger. I mean, that's true. I don't know. I think I say people say, what's your blogs name? wait, but why? and they go what? And I'm like just I'm sorry. And it's I just was looking on I was looking on G daddy and I was like, I need a domain that has a dot com and I had my hundredth idea. And I was like, okay, that's one. And I had like a small list of ones that actually had dot coms. And I was like, sure I think like names in certain situations are overrated. I think with books, probably not. I think books maybe is something that it's But I think you know, I think company names, I think if a lot of really dumb company names. I think it depends a lot on the nature of the company. I'm literally having this conversation with one startup right now, like whether to keep or change. And in their case, I don't think it matters because they're B to B and selling in a very like long sales cycle to sophisticated buyers as opposed to product that is B to C, where it's like a consumer facing product where you want people to be able to easily say, hey, have you tried X? And if they can't remember X you're kind of dead in the water I do a bookie sample There are a lot of books that didn't do particularly well, but I don't think it was Solely due to the title. This one, I think might be title related probably sold half the copies that this book is sold in total at this point because I've talked about it And I have a bookshelf in my guest bedroom with just this book for people to yank. but awareness Anthony Dello, Anthony D Mello. Yeah. And it's got, you know, the subtitles is the perils and opportunities of reality. That's the better subtitle. they change the subtitle to conversations with the masters, which makes no sense to me because it's a conversation with one guy transcribed conversations. but that book If I had to pick one book to read on an annual basis, that would probably be the one. I mean, I have some other close runner ups, but that one for sure, it's so short. Why? what's the kind of Reflections from the b. I would say this to the I mean, it is honing your ability to observe your own Thinking and your own state. And without that metaability, I think you're You're striving to develop other faculties is severely if not wholly hand become Right? You have to be able to sort of observe To the extent that you can, without enhancement, there are certain drugs and so on that help with this or practices, like different types of meditation, but without any augmentation. It's very hard to look at your operating system,? What are the biases? What are the weight? It's almost as if you werere an AI model,? Like what has been built into the confirmation bias and the narratives over time that you inherited from parents or whoever it might be that have not actually been stress tested that you didn't arrive at through any type of firsthand experience or maybe there was one outlying experience that was tremendously painful. and therefore you lived from that point forward for fifteen years with this filter on reality, which actually isn't defensible, but it's sitting in the background governing how you make decisions and it's it's incredibly colloquial. It's lectures that were transcribed and cleaned up And it's unforgiving in its delivery' very harsh so some people don't like it. It's very in your face in some ways, but U I've had So many people, friends of mine, including people who are very, very accomplished Either get either get more done or feel like they have removed like gauze from their eyes or pain from their life Or all of the above after reading this book. It's like one hundred and fifty. It's called awwareness. Awareness. Yeah It's a Red cover by Anthony DMello. He was a Jesuit priest, also a psychotherapist. And he's pulling from a lot of different traditions, but it's very pithy. You would, I mean, I think all of you guys would like it, but I was thinking of you, George because of the naming, right? His sort of idea handles that you then carry forward the stories that he tells. I mean, I've read it like twenty times. so of course, I've had some reps, but even after one reading, the stories that stick with people are so compelling and funny. It's a funny book It's really sticky. I think that winzip file of I say that one word. unlocks this entire you know, we I still have an obsession with language. I've always loved language since I was a kid And one of the problems if you do one thousand one hundred podcast episodes where you're kind of obsessed with languagage is you can sometimes get nerdy on it and you can start aphorism maxing, maxing maxing And but for me, it's really important if I've got A single sentence that explains a huge concept. One of the best ones I came up with last year was an idea advice hyper responders So Advice doesn't lend evenly. people who have a predisposition toward it tend to take it on board a lot while the people that didn't already pay attention to it just cast past unchanged I'm like, fuck, like that explains so much of why certain people have their traits exaggerated while the people that the advice is actually for. like the prescription to work harder. seems to be absorbed much more by people who are already working too hard than people who don't work hard enough. and that now explains it opens up this entire world for me and it was a term that I needed for myself and that you if for a super successful author who' got like ton of readers and distribute all of this stuff out. likeike you can move the entire sort of cognitive ography of everybody that comes into contact with it and then People who don't even know the book or don't even know where it comes from. Yeah. that spreads even big mean the reader. mean being one of them catches on too and starts to change the world. For the advice hyperresponder Was there any examples of some maybe bad advice that you hype responded to and then some good advice that you have ignored or still ignore to this day. I think the one about working harder is a good example of that as a person who's clivity predisposition was always to lean into, I'm not doing enough, I should be working more. I need to be more diligent. I already pay way too much attention to stuff. And it sounded to me like type A advice for type B people I just took that advice on for me as a type A person and it made it worsened my imbalances as opposed to correcting them It's the thing that's interesting about that the type A advice for type B people or type A people have type B problems and type B people have type A problems. The reason that's particularly interesting is that On average, maybe more people do need David Goggin screaming in their face to go harder than Eckart Hollay whispering in their ear that they're already enough. pererhaps that across the whole world. It would be better for more people to pay more attention and work harder. But for a certain cohort of people, mostly people that listen to podcasts like this one, they actually need to hear the opposite message. day maxing, not worthday maxing And whichich ties same accing. Yeah. that ties into awareness. I mean, that's why I think like the most important possible skill you can develop is self awareness And just being able to see, I go too far here. I'm not going to listen to that advice. And if you see that about yourself, you're not going to fall into that trap as much One of the problems with that prescription though, is that people who are already self aware will take more self awareness on. Yeah. And then too much self awareness is not great. It Is restricting. Yeah. yeah, too self conscious in everything you do. and can go. Yeah. yeah, yeah. That's tr. Yeah. you also probablym of self awareness is yeah, when you think too much about yourself, One of the exercises I was trying to write about the other day for the book This interesting little forward experiment for you two gentlemen whichich is imagine we have gentlemen, hold on now. De my hand. Imagine we have a room here, okay And there's ten people inside the room but one of them is secretly miserable, but they're keeping it together. Everybody else is moderately happy. Now think of everybody in your life that you know Who do you think you could send in that room and have the best probability of figuring it out figuring out which one and who would be the worst? Obviously don't answer the worst one publicly, but who if you think of those two people in your head, who would be the best Esther Ferrell. Why? What is it about them? I don't know. I just feel like she is so unbelievably perceptive of and I mean, I know this I mean her talks and stuff, but I know her personally and I just feel like She just like sees what I'm actually trying to say or what I'm actually feeling like really, really real, which is part of why I think she's so magnetic in her. Also an amazing podcast. couples work Oh yeah Which I mean, and that's who's better at doing a podcast with couples. Couples therapy is usually this person who barely knows you two can within a few minutes start to see stuff that you don't see with each other 's like that's incredible power. Yeah. There're also, I mean, I would think of, for instance, my friend, Kevin Rose, super close friend, serial entrepreneur, amazing investor, great guy EQ off the charts off the charts. So he would walk in and observe the room and I think with Millions of years of evolution tilting in his favor. I don't think it's necessarily something he could verbalize, but he would pick it out It's an interesting idea of is it a trainable skill? What's also interesting is that you could kind of replace secretly miserable person with psychopath on man having an affair, and you'd probably pick loosely the same people to be able to go in to do that ears that It's closely related to theory of mind, which seems to come online at four years old. So a three year old almost has no theory of mind. they can't understand that him has thoughts or thinks differently to me. and it happens at four years old. I think that's when lying starts as well. Yes. So this ability to be able to Think, oh, think how Tim thinks and then sometimes think how Tim's. You don't want to I'm thinking. I know. It's funny watching up close, like there's stages before that. First is like, I am the only person And everyone else is like a is like a fear for my purp my everyone's a figment by my imagination. And then they're starting to see like, oh, like other people are They here and they're real, like they actually have their own consciousness, but they're all here for me. They're all here. And then there starts to be yourre like a kid and everyone smiles you in the grocery store and it's o, everyone's doing their own thing. They're not here for me, but everyone likes me. Everyone's good. everyveryone loves me. you know, And then you start to realize like, oh, I'm just a random person and I'm not kid anymore and people aren't all smile. first essential cris. Yeah five There's a lot of theories I forget who and originally, but it's, you know, this this oceanic feeling that you have when you think Everyone is there for you and that everyone loves you and everyone knows you. is some people get cannot let that go and the desire, the deep desire some people have for fame is forever chasing Oceanic Yeah The oceanic feeling is this feeling this like this, you know, that you're in this ocean of like love and. And then later you feel this very cold loneliness and fame is like, if I could be famous and everyone knows me again. everyone loves me. I'm admired, you know, And it's just and I think a lot of people have a real like thirteen to fifteen year olds have like this A lot of them people go through, I think I went through this at that age, like you want fame more than anything in the world because it's the ultimate like being popular in school, but like it's like them, you know, and then most people grow out of that, but I think some people don't M Yeah too your question about trainability, I think I think it is trainable, but different people have better raw materials or some people, right? It's like vertical jump Muscle massks, like sure, you can improve on those metrics a lot with really thoughtful training. and I think that's true But some people just get it. and I think it goes beyond human to human interactions too,? Like I'm very Very, very interested in dog training and mammal training writ large actually goes beyond mammal training. That's like a whole because I think that interspecies communication however primitive it might be is fascinating in and of itself. I think that I mean, dogs in particular, like the relationship between dogs and humans is kind of crazy. Like if you start to look past the familiarity of seeing dogs everywh're like ye Yeahah dogs. And you're like, wait a second Think about how unusual it is that we have effectively co evolved over time. There's an animal that lives in my house. Yeah. It's an animal lives in your house. Actually this is like a companion sash guuardian. I grew up with four cats. Look cats are great, but cats are animals that live in your house. Dogs are sort of in a separate category if they're trained and I think a certain A differenterent type of awareness and consciousness comes online for dogs. Visa V training as you develop kind of labels for different things U so for all of those reasons, but it extends to equine training. and how that could be apply like animal interactions to people with autism or PTSD. like you see some wild stuff and this doesn't end up being limited to T. horses, for instance, in the case of the therapy, you I've seen instances I volunteered at a Wolf sanctuary in Colorado for a period of time, which is a long story Wolves that have either been injured by ranchers were raised in captivity, which is a terrible idea. Please people don't get like wolf dogs or anything like that. It's really it's really, really awful on a lot of levels There are these ambassador wolves that they have I think it's just called mission Wolf in Colorado. P people want to look at it and possibly support it These civilians can come in and visit and like donate money if they want. and the ambassador wolves will go straight up to people who are seemingly having the most pain in the room. It's weird. No It's weird. Yeah. O the people who are most withdrawn, like autistic and Autistic kids and things like that. And it just raises a lot of really fascinating questions. I've seen videos of dogs that are there to stop seizures. If people are about to fall and have seizures. Maybe people that got epilepsy epilepsy and these dogs giving us some pheromone. They can use them for autoimmune disorders. before someone has theap It's able to see there and it jumps up and because when they're shaking, the dog sort of lies on them like a weighted blanket or make sure that they're not gonna to fall over. There was a woman that was taking I don't know why there's a video, maybe was a ring dobell camer, like an internal doorbell camera or something. And she's taking food out of the oven dog jumps up and pulls her back. So you know, when you' sort of crouching down, she's already halfway down grabs her in the back of the collar and pulls her to the ground and lies on her and she's fine and she's thinking What is this dog doing? Is it okay? Is this something that's going to go on? And then seizure that she has a seizure after the dog's been left. So insane. So this raises yeah, I mean, if we want to get into like crazy town territory, let's go. let's go, Tim Well, I'll do let me let me do non crazy town and then we'll segue to crazy town. So the non crazy town is the reason I bring up the dogs is that You will I've noticed that the same people who have the highest EQ around humans often have the highest EQ around animals. Right, So they intuitively know how to interact with animals or be guarded around the right type of animals. sayay a dog that's really quiet may actually be really afraid and could be aggressive they can read that type of body language, even though it's a different species Whereas some people have no awareness, right? They'll walk up to a dog that is clearly uncomfortable and they'll come top down to like put their hand on the dog's head. It's like, oh my God, you're just asking for trouble. orr they're not paying any attention to their kids. Like why does so many little girls have dog bites on their faces? Because little boys are kind of assholes. they like to like poke dogs and stuff, but little girls like to hug dogs around the face and the neck Dogs don't like that right And parents aren't paying attention. So it's not actually necessarily the dog's fault. It's the parent's fault. So I think that EQ is not limited to human to human and that just relates to the theory of mind Stone maybe maybe theory mind can be expanded to Dogs are like a pattern recognition machines on four legs. I want person something. And that's part of why I think like I noticed with my dog, like, She can if I'm about to leave, but I haven't even started getting ready yet. She can tell somethingomet's different the way he's, you know. But but you know, I'm interested in dog training. I'm not a good dog trainer. My dog is not very well trained. but I traraining a mammal will make you realize Um important skill, which is You are a mammal And your brain, if you treat your brain like a dog Um, and Things can happen. You just become a behaviorist. because you know, this idea that well, I'm a person, it's like, no, you have you might be a person with like, you know, this higher consciousness. in your head is a mammal brain. And it' different. T you about how to train yourself fores.ward. Seinfeld talks about this in training his mind like a dumb little puppy. Yeah If I shouldn't say dumb little puppy. It's just like a blank slate puppy It doesn't know what to do it. It's prim brain We're all like this consciousness is stuck inside of ancient primate. I mean that's what it is. And so it's like, If you realize that and you're like, like you said, you want to have positive, you want to have things on your desk that encourage. I mean, that's What is that? That's because your's a dumb primate that is going to be the person sitting at the desk. How else have you applied this behaviorist dog training lens to yourself I mean, just just reward. ye, no I mean, really It's so I should say like if we're talking about like BFkinner and Skinner boxes, like we're getting You can get into territory where you you don't you basically assume And I'm simplifying here that something does not exist if you can't observe it externally,? But this is how you get into like, oh, animals don't feel pain. Oh, blah blah, which by the way, we assumed about infants for a very long time. Not that long ago that people were operating on infants without anesthesia, right? crazy U I mean, there there I'm careful with the skinner stuff. But when you get into like classical conditioning, operating conditioning, there's an amazing book called Don't Shoot the Dog which has derble title Maybe this is a good example of a book that failed. Don't shoot the Dg, but it's written by this woman Karen Prior, who worked in training marine mammals,, doollphins and so on. And a lot, I think she and her colleague also worked with the military, like training cats. like the military' trained cockroaches to like turn light switches on and off. I mean, this is this is not science fiction. This is real st. a crazy town. So it's like how you do that? right? Oh, I'm not I'mpping. Oh yeah. But this is well documented. that's not fiction sideidebar, the mosquito sized or the fly sized drones out of China, right D don't of you guys have seen these videos, holy shit, Terrifying. Yeah, anyway. Yeah, Won Y'el Stehvenson way need him to make some predictions. but U myself completely off the rail. Don't shoot the dog. Mqu. Don't shoot the dog. Karen Prior, when you're training, say a marine mammal, right? Okay Dolphin doesn't do what you wanted to do. You can't hit it with a rolled up newspaper. You can't chastise the dolphin just swims away from you, right? You end up focusing on positive reinforcement,? providing rewards for the behavior that you're trying to shape. And behavioral shaping is also just an interesting concept I could explain in a second. And she started using different auditory cues and that converted into clicker training for dogs. So to teach a dog what to do or not do hang on sorry Training of dolphins is where the clicker for dogs comes from. Yes. from aquatic mammals. No fucking way Yeah because they would use clicking at dogs because we clicked at dolphins. They used I think they used whistles. But it's the same idea. because you're trying to ate to this dog and this applies to humans too. is the right behavior, what is the wrong behavior? But for instance, like the dog shits in the house, you come home two hours later and then you punish the dog. It's so temporarily dislocated. the dog has no idea Right? It's it's not effective. It's just going to make the dog less likely to offer behaviors because it doesn't know when it's gonna to get punished, all right U And I look, I understand approaches to e collers and I think they have their place and so on. but This is just to say that when you start digging into this and you start thinking about behavioral shaping. So I'll give an example of behavioral shaping, a simple example and Look, I'm not a professional dog trainer but I find it really interesting. So for instance, if you're trying to get a dog to Sit is really easy. But if you have a treat, right? So you're using a lure, And you start with a motion that's, let's say the dog's right here. It's standing and you do this, you push it back behind its head. It sits down to get its mouth closer to the tree Right? And then over time lose the treat because now It has figured out how this dance works, and then you get to a point where you're using like the international sign language for sit And then you then you start to pair that with sit and then this, and then you can actually remove the manual signal altogether and just use the verbable cue.? But if you're trying to get like a dog to turn around and do a spin, which is more of like a vanity trick than a safety thing or a functional thing as soon as it turns slightly It might, it's not to get it on the first go round click you give it a treat. And so you're basically encouraging it to continue that behavior. And you can shape really complex behaviors over time as long as you're not trying to boil the ocean at once. So how does that pertain to humans, all of it pertains to humans. whether you're trying to train yourself, whether you know, as you're building a family you're thinking about You know, I're not to freight train your kid, although you kind of do I guess with the crib in a sense. But I think a lot of this applies. and people get upset and they're like, oh my God, I can't believe you're comparing a baby to a dog. And I'm like, guys, evolutionarily speaking, that different. I mean, there are some important differences. It's like, yeah, we've got more you know, white matter and so on So breastfeed a dog Yeah, ye. Yeah, I've been fostering a dog for the last six months who was gonna to get euthanized. She was on she was on the street. And so it's been so I've been very much in the thick of it with a dog that was effectively a wild animal off the streets A really adorable dog lookooks to be haven't done the genetic testing, but like an Anatolian shhepherd mix. So very tawny colored with a black muzzle Uh, the one that I met no, that's your different dog. differentiff dog. ye The rear feet are slightly externally rotated, so could be some great pyrenees in there But much smaller, the Anatonian shhepherds can get huge. They're found in Turkey, they're found in the as region, they can get up to like one hundred and fifty pounds, two hundred pounds att least one hundred and fifty. They're huge She's a lot smaller. She's about sixty pounds. so I would guess that she's a mix with something else, possibly German Shepherd or Belgian shepherd, something like that U But man, when you're starting with something that is really feral It's different. Well And what's the original dog trainer The actual dog trainer is the dog's brain offering dopamine treats when you give food, it's not the food, it's the dopamine brain gives that makes the dog want. so this is what fore humans were there to train dogs, animals across the animal kingdom for millions of years have been trained by their genes to act a certain way using dopamine treats. And then and so it's just and then so all we're doing is leveraging this system that's already in place in the dog's brain and we're saying, oh, can we can get the brain to do a dopamine hit and tie that Th then the dog can tie that hit to this behavior instead of the thing it's programmed to be tied to, which is get food. Yeah. So a big part of it is figuring out, right? Because humans have been selectively breeding dogs into all these weird shapes for millennia. Yeah What does this dog respond to? Yeah, becauseuse some dogs are really food driven. But then your brain is also giving you dopamine treats. Sure. And this is what social media platforms do is they are geared towards flooding your brain with dopamine ets when you give it attention and therefore add dollars. Well we also think of ourselves as like the Masters of the universe, but it's like, to what extent did we domesticate certain plants and to what extent did they domesticate us propagation, right? I mean, it's like it's a fun question Oh, he said more on the tumble down the's just. Yeah, I mean, it's just like if you look at like wheat, corn soy, etcetera. I mean, they've been very effective at propagating themselves as a species. And I don't want to attribute anthropomorphizing the the the wheat necessarily, but just from an evolutionary imp just from a an evolutionary and propagation imperative to Did they end up being so ubiquitous I I just think it's a fun question to poke around. Well when I was studying like history and you're looking at oh, we domesticated not just plants, we domesticated, the horse, we domesticated, the dog Um, and now The modern cow, the modern, you know, house dog, they couldn't survive in the wild because ' been domesticated. So now they rely on this artificial structure. And then I You know, you read more about humans and oh shit, what a civilization. We domesticated ourselves. Yeah. We cannot survive As if you bring us back to fifty thousand BC, pluck any, I mean, maybe you're like one of these people that might Most of people I know we would die. We don't we're not our natural habitat, we cannot live in it, just like the Maltese cannot live out in the natural wolf habitat. We can't live there because we domesticated ourselves. and this is one of these weird things where we now live within this structure that we only can live in, just like a house It's like a dog can only live in a human house, a dog pet. We can only live in this civilizational house. None of us know how to few of us know how to hunt and truly gather and the Would that not be different slightly that we have like Genetically anatomically in terms of our features and our functions, humans are not too dissimilar to what would have been around fifty thousand years ago, but dogs would be very different to what was around previously. If we had been born back then,es, culture would have been. We haven't gone to the full extent that yes, that is that I mean, I'm sure there are some little changes, but yes, like maybe we're less aggressive than we would need to be back then or something like that, but you're right We haven't domesticated our biology. When we are now raised in this world, we have We totally domesticated ourselves psychologically and intellectually and just in the skills we have. And it just it kind of You know, it just explains It explains a lot. and then you see interesting clashes back in you know when first civilizations were developing where you have these wild people, essentially. Um Clashing with domesticated people. And that doesn't always go, you know, sometimes the weapons got good enough eventually that the domesticated people couldn't be fucked with. but for a long time, these you know U Steepe Hordes, Mongols andthers, you know, whatever they are the Hunans and many, many others would come down with no technology at all, but they were essentially wild people. Again, they had were horseback arch Yes. They had horses. They were pretty good. They had horses, but like on the wild to domesticated scale, they weren't very far. And When they would clash, it wasn't just that they were really great with their weapons. they had this level of kind of wild brutality and, you know, you know and kind of a lack of a civilizational notion of empathy for human lives or whatever are worth something. I mean, the Mongols thought of humans as cattle as another, you know, whatever killing them was not moral wrong, and that was this huge advantage. So it's just interesting to like when you You know, this is what's scary's very scary when you think about civilizational collapse, talk about AI apocalypse, things like this. I mean, what's scary is Um the power goes out That means the internet goes out. I mean, you'd see a lot of very domesticated people in a total chaotic situation and it would be yeah. People lose their shit really quickly. I was in San Francisco and I was volunteering for something called NERT, which is the Northern California emergency response team and it's a volunteer coalition of people who are distributed throughout in this case, San Francisco. and it's done in collaboration with police and fire department train volunteers to respond in the case of A highighly destructive earthquake or natural disaster of some type. and I remember in the very beginning, they effectively said, Okaykay the broader Sanrancisco area has population of X, whatever it was, one point two million people. Guess how many fire engines we have? And they defined like what a fire engine was and so on. they're like, So what happens if we have a conflagration, which I think is a square block on fire? of x magnitude. And they're like, you should expect to be without water and electricity in these following areas for this period of time, like seven to ten days. And I remember that was liivving in Glenn Park in San Francisco And PG and E had a rolling blackout. And I was like, okay Pers out And for like the first few hours, people were like wandering outside as was a Saturday and they werere like, Hey, you your power out? Yeahah wow, nice to see you, Bob. You know, everybody was very civil. And then it's like Five or six emms And then people start to realize, oh All of my food in my freezer is going to thaw at some point And I think the water may have also been off And around like ten hours post, there's one guy in the neighborhood who had a little Honda generator because he was a burner. He went to Burning Man and he was like keeping his stuff frozen And one or two people wandered over and they're like, Hey, Joe, could I borrow that after you're done with it Clearly he's not going to be done with it because he's using it And I think it was at like hour fifteen or eighteen There was an entire throng of people who are these like hyper liberal Pace You know, live long and prosper, live and let live types, who are getting openly hostile about who would get to use his generator nextX. This is less than twenty four hours So the the basic courtesies of. modern life fall away very quickly. There's a whole wild person in every human that is completely contained in a normal situation. Iw I'm in the coffee shop and I see all these people on standing in line and I just like suddenly have a split screen to like those people like stabbing each other for food. and then I' was like, I come back here and I'm like It's a little like it's, you know, we're it's all fine when it's fine. and you know, I don't know. So let me say a couple of things real quick. So This is going sound strange, notot to like defend you know, Genghiskan and the stepp hordes, but Steelman pillaging for a second N not. not pillaging. There's a book I won' recommend it to be by one of the I mean a name everybody would know. There's a book called Genghis Kan on the Making of the Modern World. It isark from like modern postal systems to infrastructure, to religious freedom They did kill and rape a lot of people Um, That book is worth reading, especially the first half of it. justust to get a full grasp of the historic implications, the Second, just to give an OG podcast shout out, Wrath of the Cons by Dan Carl. my God Dan Carlin episode. I mean, honestly still maybe the best, no offense, No offense. Best podcast of all time, Dan Carl, hardcore history, Wrath of the Cons. It's like a five part series. Each one is four to five hours long. Oh you will not be bored. You will rip through it. They are, I mean, this is a whole other topic, but like history podcasts are one of my favorites and he is the gohost Yeah Yeah I heard that he used to do them in a single take and if he messed up, he'd just restarted go Oh God. it wouldn't surprise me. He's a perfectionist. I mean, that's why they took I haven't seen I'm not sure. But part of the reason I also love Dan as an example is that Wherever you are, whenever you are, you run into Whatever industry these Th Th things that are taken to be true because they get repeated a lot, right? You have to post X times per week. You have to do this. You have to do that. No one's gonna listen to a podcast that's longer than sixty minutes. And Dan was like, I'm gonna do one six hour podcast or five hour podcast once every six months And he was top of the charts forever for years upon years. Not many people are doing A plus work and when you are none of those rules applly. Yes. yeah, the rules just didn't apply. Every tageline that we found for this is there will always be room for better always be re. It doesn't matter what the industry is, you know, you know it just it's something really great. There's just not very much of it. Itesn't matter how many podcasters there are very few people are doing A plus. F feelels like that's accelerating now that you because you have LLMs churning more shit out and you can have more video models churning more shit out It feels that whereher there's less quality today Or is it just feels maybe there's less quality relative to the amount of quantity. So it's also en everyone want to average back to the mean, right? It regresses the aggregate of content that's being proded. Pe peopleople get discouraged and think, oh there's so much content like, what's the point? It's like, no, if you can do something great, it will just rise above this end the world will see it. Speaking of novel content, the Japan and USA I'll go crossover because of the Translate mode happened is resulted in some pretty spectacular outcomes. None more so than Kenky Kids account. Have you seen this guy Okay, so L describes in his bio on X as a company employee living in Yokohama's Kanai area, originally from Yokahhama, born in nineteen eighty five, cururrently forty one years old, single A forty one years with no girlfriend history, non appealing to the opposite sex, an attractive, amateur virgin, like sex services, hobbies of watching soccer, overseas travel, planning to retire early from the company at age fifty, has given up on marriage and is currently seeking a comfortable single life. What's interesting about this guy He's been tweet about hell of a bio, How did he end up hicing so many characters? I think you were able to compress things down in Japanese. Yeah. P pressing for a dog as well. He's been tweeting about visiting different hand job parlors in Japan and he's using the revenue paid out from X to fund his future trips. He's essentially unlocked an infinite hand job glitch in reality Chelseaord. It's also just no one in the Western world talks like this. It's just a very specific like ese So theres a quote tweet, go to the quote tweet, Jared. It's where he says todayoday, both my regular hand job spot and the married woman place are running discount events and I'm torn about which one to go to. That's quote tweeted by an American saying, Americans be like, I can't even get some chopped fid from a dating app to go on a two hundred fifty dollarars date with me while the Japan bros are like Damn, the hand job parlor and the milk joint are both on sale tonight. I don't know which one to pick. And he is using the ex revenue in order to fund his hand job. L's like the most honest man in the world. It's unbelievable. You set a calendar reminder for Black Friday. Kanky kids, dude Unbelievable. Yeahah, the crosssover from American people finally being able to see Japanese content on X has resulted I mean, I did love the, I don't know if you've seen these split videos of like Japanese cleaning the stadium after a game and X fans. You brought this up. Yes. even what's interesting when the Japanese team played at Weembley against England They clean the changing rooms afterwards. The players even did. completely different cultural difference. What's interesting though, is you have these languages merge online. I'm assuming you're going have podcasts language merge. Do you actually lose less Cultural differences as much. One of the reasons why Japan is so unique is because they did that at Sukuku, right? where whilst the rest of the world was all mixing ideas If you've left Japan, If you tried to enter Japan killed. it's so unique in So A like the Galapagos of culture. Yes. And I wonder with It's a great way to put it. Yeah. With the internet now, do you actually have because I can feel it already that English culture iss becoming a bit more American. Or even like this internet culture, it's not even American now it feels like it's post American. It's becoming more. It's just global. It's just the online culture. The internet is like the anti Japanese Isolationist culture effect. Yes. show the doark web And then what's unfortunate is then what's nice is when you have all these independent cultures and each one does something really well and you can kind of when it all starts to blend, you really lose the variety is where like variety is the in both evolution and cultural evolution is the engine of creativity and growth. you know, and it's like instead of having, you know, a bunch of different brains in a room brainstorming, you just have kind of like one thinker and it's a shame wrote a blog post a few years ago about where did emmos and goths go? And the question was that subcultures need time to wassify And if you've got this sort of global permaculture thing that's always moving and any bit that moves in one side of the membrane, affects another bit over here. it's like everybody being on a bouncy castle at the same time. and somebody that jumps up and down over there impacts everybody else. So you don't have time to silo off to create this sort of weird niche trends, music, tastes, language. Now you see subcultures on the internet with language, but very quickly like look at looks maxing. All of that immediately now has become common vernacular because one part of the bountcy castle is now affected. I'm just pulling from words you're throw out. You want a podcast name, idea Bounty Castle gang b. Bouncy Castle Gang bang. I'm actually not v. It's a vocative. It's very visual. Isither that a fire up the autism engine. It's one of those two. It is visual. Yeah. Why have you mentioned golfs? and emos that. was the last time you thought I got an email. And I always ask Chris this question, ask you two guys this. which is when the fascinating thing about something fading away is that you don't notice it fading away because by definition it's fading away Is there anything that's currently fading away or has faded away that you think We would have forgotten about it until you mentioned it A good example is the voicemail. the voicemail if you watch, I was watching Breaking Bad and the There's about five minutes every episode of like a voicemail scene where the voicemail will be playing across the house and it's just disappeared. It doesn't exist. But noody really discussed it because by definition, if something's fading away There's stuff that's fitting in into like mullets M' her back and all' her very, very That's why mustaches came back You're actually only able to grab. I don't know if I could make a well, I can't do like the flat top mullet, which would be my sort of like aspiration 'use it's just not gonna work. So I could do like a power donoughut Rat tail P Doughut. How power Dut Power Dut Rat tail also not a bad podcast n the street. Yeah, Not a bad grinder name as well. P don. Power donoughut rattail. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about, right? Like Professor X. that sounds like a wonderful couple that could be born out of grrind. The power Donut and rattail. Yeah would get together very well. say what else you brought from home? You b got this bag. I brought lot of stuff.' I'm going thr out some fun stuff. You're talking about like humans, modern humans in the wild, dead domesticated dogs in the wild dead One exception, if you take domesticated pigs and release them into wild, they rapidly undergo physical and behavioral transformations. Within just a few months, they develop thicker, bristly hair, longer snouts and tusks. Like they literally revert back into savage animals within months. Is anyone st crazy happening to them? cool They call it phenotypic reversion And have you brought one? this' is a a ferl pt Wild boar. I brought a whole stack of things. This is exciting. Oh wow. And then so we can talk about these drugs. You brought drugs? I brought drugs. So this this one is I'm still like jury' out, but Data are pretty interesting. So this is avmacol. I know exactly what this you know what this is. So some people have heard of something called sulforaphane And I'm going to pull this up so I don't misquote here. Let's see if I can find a bear with me here I love when my autistic news feeed and Tem's autistic news feeed come together, they merge together Yeah. So All right Just say it, just go get inticate you are What's that? Car. It needs more frosty beverages. No no just yeah, o. So this stuff, so sulphur fan and people might have heard about like broccoli sprouts werere kind of making the rounds a couple of years ago. And I think Rhonda Patrick should be giving credit for bringing this to light for a lot of folks And this does not contain sulfuraphane itself, but a precursor and an enzyme. So your body then produces sulfuraphane. And I'll explain why I'm bringing this up because I've been taking this for probably Nine months and predominantly because There is some possibility that it could help with mitigating the risk of neurodegeneration So that's again, whether it's the Zyletol or this stuff, having multiple family members with Alzheimer's, I'm paying a lot of attention to prevention. You lived on your Genetic testing as, right? Oh yeah, yeah, cool. Yeah what's interesting is quite a few people in my family and I know this isn't the only risk factor, but they're AOE threety three, which should be the lowest risk of Alzheimer's to be protected and yet. So there's other dysfunction And in this case, you know, Sulfurfan reliably activates NRF two related pathways in humans. All right. So it's Promising but not proven slowing aging, preventing cancer, preventing dementia, extending lifespan. treating chron disease. It's basically detoxification. But the reason I brought it is that My supplement regimen has been very consistent for at least two or three years and I do Pstant blood tests and so on. justust did a blood draw this morning actually And In the last maybe six months, I've been getting be coincidence, but more compliments and questions about my skin than ever before. And I was like, what is going on? Is this just coincidence or is something going on And so I looked at the two things that I've added to say of curiosity, nothing knew otherwise. I was like, okay, di's the same There is the Amacol and then there's Ualithine. And timeline. Timeline. And turnurns out that it is plausible that this stuff with skin tone, Rond's thing was that was for microplastics, right? A Yeah, well, yeah, I mean,s there's a bunch that does, but yes, like did you see I brought this up last time, but I didn't get a chance to actually say it. I had it ready for the last time. So the microplastics numbers were wrong Gloves were a sauce So the University of Michigan researchers just amended a assumption about microplastic signs, latex and nitrile gloves worn by the scientists doing the measuring shed sterate particles that look chemically identical to polyethylene. Plyetylene Of sanded infrared and ramen instruments. tell them apart, the gloves were counting as plastic. So you know that every American consumes a credit card sized amount of microplastics every year. when you pick up little petri dish because it's human blood and feces and tissue samples and stuff They're picking it up. But the way that it bends, the reason that gloves are able to bend is that tiny teeny, teeny, teeny, tiny bits break off. That's why it's malleable. They switched from that to some other type of glove and it just went through the floor. I likeked that. I was happy to see that. All the microplastic research looks like it could be wrong. That's not to say that we're not consuming it. We probably are, but the numbers, I think are a hundred current doesn't sound that ied a credit card once a year. How that gonna be? I'd front looad it. I'd get it all done january first, just. Get the AMX in. it. So just to be clear, not a doctor don't play one on the internet. This stuff, right the A MacCall, biologically plausible, reasonably safe, interesting human data, but not yet a slammed onk clinical intervention. but still interesteresting because it activates your own detoxification pathways as opposed to being an external antioxidant that they consumes. the sort of hormetic stress response could be really interesting and have broader benefits. So that's why You do have cred with these kind of things because you're like annoyingly healthy looking. You're like the healthiest looking person. Thank you. You seem very like Rbust and unsickly all the time of. Thank you. Yeahah, I'll be fifty. I'll take your advice. be fifty before you know it, which is crazy. the key is to go Bald early. so your photos look remarkably similar. I think as you get older, Bald is an asset. You end up like it's hard to aid you. no, exactly.'s what I'm saying people. Oh here's the giveaway. Yeah. If you're trying to do like the dead squirrel com overver or whatever, white knuckling Dead givew away U Sh I talk about these things real quick? Yeah. So I have when I was a kid I collected I mean, comic books. That was kind of my first business was buying and selling comic books wanted to be a comp a penciler forever, was an illustrator throughout school, paid A lot of my bills in college is an illustrator. so I love graphic novels and What I found as I'm being domesticated, not domesticated, but trained through LLMs and everything else to have shorter and shorter attention span. effectively, right? I'm trying to offset that. but another insight that I've had for me personally. I am and we talked about the Aantasia, I guess it was and hyper visualization. I'm so visual that often as I read or even if I meditate, we could talk about how meditation factors into this. conjing these images constantly, which can be very distracting. Cjuring images just visualization in my head or scenes or whatever. like there's constantly and as I'm here, there's like another movie playing in my mind. It's like watching like two screens with different movies. all the tends to be like a past event or a future event or is it completely couldould be that It could be just random bits and bobs So I've taken to going back to graphic novels because once you are reading a story with visual accompaniment It occupies that part of my brain. And I just love graphic novels. So I thought I would share after reading like dozens and dozens over the last couple of years, some of my favorites This is something is killing the children, real uplifting This is going be made into a very expensive series by Netflix. but Bic premise. artwork is amazing, story is really fun. And the basic premise is monsters are real. O children can see them and there are these cabals of monster hunters. It's like it's a beautifully simple premise and this looks very light. Yeah, it's it's it's great. If you're into the sci fi stuff is Lazarus U which is kind of a post apocalyptic Um these cartel like families run giant swaths of the United States in the world, and it's about their kind of geopolitical battles and how technology factors into it. U if you want something more fantasy Uh and this this gets into some deep psychological terrain and inner turmoil, but it also throws in lots of fantasy tropes. So it's kind of like Fantasy plus a bit of Steampunk monstrous, which just based on the cover, I was like, I'm not going to like this at all. full disclosure. I liked the first maybe like two hundred pages the most of what I read. But the testimonials and stuff are insane. So this is another one that is beautiful. I tend to be very biased towards the stuff with Really gorgeous penciling. A dayay Tripper, this is from Brazil and is does not have any sci fi, any fantasy. It's sort of a reflection on mortality. It's about this young man who has a star author is a father whose shadow he's constantly living in, who, as his job writes obituaries at a local newspaper, but it gets much more interesting for you. So how long like does that take you to read compared to like a book? How many page book is that? You'll rip through this, which is part of the reason why I'd say like if you're gonna get like this is two hundred fifty pages I read this in three hours. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. You get through it very quickly. It's also an expensive habit. If you're using hardcop, right? I mean this is gonna to be twenty five bucks. As someone who takes forever to do the simplest stick drawing. and granted, these people are far more talented artists I mean, I mean, today maybe they're using AI, but like when I look at this, I'm like no these are all it so just this one picture. Yeah, Yeah. The artwork in all of these is tremendous Amazing how haveave you ever read a comic book Not in a while this though was a child Yeah Yeah. they' never basically never Yeah Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's I think I could get into it. There there are some iconic Calvin Hobbs used to Calvin Hobbs was amazing. to be an actual like Calvin Hobbs was amazing. Look, I mean, Sanman, there's some' like genre busting. Yeah Graphic novels. This one is from France, Ama, which I'm currently reading, Really deeply philosophical. veryer psychedelic. This one also gets pretty trippy, as you would guess by the name What I'd suggest, th this is impossible to get is a hard copy. It's very, very challenging. Just get the Kindle get the Kindle versions and Kindle or I should say Amazon acquired a company that allows you to read these graphic novels panel by panel and it has this like zooming in zooming out function that is beautifully designed. That's why they put the new fullcal Kindle together, I think to try and encourage people to get beautiful. And actually I'll actually just vode well for all of my Yeah. graph the graphic novels are not easy to read on mobile, but on, say laptop or iPad or something. What I want is and I don't know if we would apply to this, but for my books and for a lot of others I have a lot of visuals is I want audi I want audible To be like you're listening and then it's like ding, you look and the screen just has the current drawing, the current image and it's so easy. And then you put you see, you put it back in your pocket and it's like, ding or the graph. Yeah. Yeah, right? And why? supplementing materials of aail is you yourre attach It sus a game ch for. Yeah, that's right. It's cachment PF. It sucks. I've got into Dungeon crawl aal Have you read this book? It's a fun one. Fuck me. It's a fun one. It's I mean, so R Red Rising is the most addictive fiction series that I've found pretty much ever and they're about to release Pi is about to release book eight, I think soon and I got told, you know, when you get a book suggestion from two or three different people who don't know each other, ye I just Yeah, obviously need to do that. I've triangulated they've triangulated me as a And even the second recommendation, I'm like, okay. ye, usually this. Dungeon Crawlerar. So it's a lit RPG, literary RPG. So you're basically reading Imagine somebody played a video game and you read a description of what happened kindind of what it's like It is fucking unbelievable. And this guy is on book eight on nine now and he released the first one in twenty twenty When are the what and I remember the number of reviews was insane. It' fucking wild. Dungeon Colla cal for me is up there with Red Rise. veryery different. It's very edgy reallyally lighthearted and fun. it's there's a lot of inner monologue, there's interplay. You can tell that the story is going to get huge and unwieldy. There's progress. What's interesting is because he's leveling up. He's playing the game or he is the game And as he goes along, he levels up skills and he's got to make a choice between which class he wants to be or this one. And do I want to make this particular sacrifice in terms of my strength and my dexterity or my intelligence? or what should we upgrade this pet that we've got as and what armor should I put on? And you'd think, oh, that sounds so dry and boring, but it is it's got me ght me. We were watched into the same thing that makes those games addictive to play, probably, right? Without feeling watching someone upgrade. Yeah whilst getting to re. eighty two thousand reviews on Amazon, four point seven reads Good reads Good reads is four hundred twenty seven thousand It's insane. It's Since twenty twenty. It's pretty fun. I only got through book one and I' enjoyed it Um So I didn't make it. I don't know how you stopped at book one. Yeah. He was about to chse his class. How did you stop P one? I know. What have you been reading recently? anythingything good? I for a long time, I've been alternating between like 'cause for my writing, I'm constantly reading. nonfiction history or science, you know, whatever things like that. Im for right now, I wasm just reading a book called U somethingomething with time by Uh Carla Rvelli the order of The orrder of time. Yeah. I. Oh my God. I doud. The audio I would listen to him read anything. So Benedict Cumberbatch is so good and he's reading it. And that's a book where talk about like people who listen to books on like two X or whatever. I want to do that in like.o point four X because I have to constantly pause and just like think about what he just said try to. And then I go back, I'm going through this short four hour book over like so slow, but that's for work. That's like for my book. Um I usually alternate between like history podcasts. And sci fi. those are my right now So I read the first book in the expandse series, which I liked, I didn't love, I liked, so I didn't keep going. And then I read my wife like an Instagram post of her favorite of the books she read in the year with the favorite to the least favorite stacked I usually don't cross over that much, but I was like, that top one It's their top books so I read it and it was so good. It was called Fraction of the Ho by Steve Tolz. He's this Australian author, takes place in Australia. and it is so funny and it's such an adventure and it's this just fantastic fiction book Um and It's not that well known. and it was just such a joy and was that's I would never have just picked that up on my own, but I loved that Um, and then Um And then I more recently, obviously I read the whole three body problem trilogy which is str By the way, an example of one of those times when I couldn't do that either. know Oh really? Oh, no here it go. I the bailed out Let me tell you, me, this is very important. So there's three there's three books. The first book is only a sixth of the length of the whole thing. The second and third book are much longer. The first book is a B B plus 's's it's the appetizer to the whole thing The second book, the first third of it is slow. So it is it's really if you don't loseose people there, you're gonna lose people there When you get two hundred pages into the second book I know that sounds bad. this is fourteen hundred. sev five just ws. This is hundred fourteen hundred pages the series and you're only five hundred total pages in now. The next nine hundred pages is the greatest thing I've ever read. It's the biggest adventure and it's not like the first part's bad. It's just a little slow and it's It just takes you on this ride. You've never been So if you haven't gotten It is it's so th five I'm halfway through the first book and I'm notidding. it's taking me ten att tems. Just just just I need to grind it out. You have My thought process with things like this, and particularly as I'm writing now, good news. this takes an hour. Yeah. Great. I like high octane. and maybe it's just like my standard as a writer that I try and apply to something else, but I'm like, why did you have to wait ' two and a half pages. Wh, if you watch Breaking Bad, the first scene of Breaking Bad, some trousers land in an air RV driving, Walter White's got a mask on with three people passed out looking dead in the back And he's got a gun in his pocket that comes out in the first five minutes. That's what I want. I dont listen, that's ideal That's ideal H In this case, first of all, it's like when once you get to the end, you also like the beginning has more meaning to you. I totally agree. but this has managed to be so popular despite by the things I'm saying Yeahah yeah. And this is by the way, an example of an author who actually, I think didn't do a great job with the title, which was not three body problem. The title is Rembrance of Earth's past. That's the title of the full series. and no one knows that because basically readers were like We're gonna pretend you didn't say that. we're gonna come up with a little bit like Game of Thron. They didn't name Game of Thrones a song of Fire and Ice, which is the actual title. they were like Game of Thres the first book, that's going be the title of the whole thing because it's, I like when it's certain, you know the fans kind of decide for you that we're not going. It's interesting when something succeeds And then the real like nuanance conversation is how much of it it succeeded despite var this. Because often you could look at Steve Jobs and go The answer is turtlenecks and carrot juice I mean, those are either either completely irrelevant or in despite of and it tends to be like one power law. might could correlation that cars in. And that's a real constant IQ test. Yes. So you're saying three body problem could be your vote for a book that succeeded in spite of a bad real title. And and a slow first five hundred pages of the fourteen hundred I mean I've heard I've read Dune but I've heard that Dune goes real. So my problem is I just stuck with the first one Yeah, I read the The firstirst Dune. It was good. A threeree body probleblem to me, it's just like, I read six Ian Banks books from the Culture series and they were really good It just it'll never What makes it so good The three body problem? Yeah I mean, I think I think Dune is, I think you is the sisterpiece, right? But I think Herber was a genius The writing is not great. It's very like kind of just like literal not. It's not funny. to be translatedny well too. I had to be translated. characters are super like boring people, like plain, you know, there's no character development This is a three by run. Yes. the plot you're selling me well. No the plot, the plot is the best plot ever read in my life for anything. It is the most gripping Rich plot and the concepts in the plot are so mind bending and delicious. and everything that I've ever thought was cool. You know how like Instellar, which I don't think was actually that great a movie, but they had some killer concepts. likeike you go to this planet and time is different and you come back and your seven year old daughter or whatever is twenty five and it's like, whoa, right has so much of things like that. like the coolest thing I've ever heard like he now weaves it into the plot And and and again, it's really one big game theory. I don't want to blow for anyone, but like in the first, you know twenty percent of the very first book, the plot is launched. and it' one it's not a bunch of things. thing happens in the early part of the first book And then the rest of the book is basically playing out game theory. what would happen? How could this play out? And it's four thousandteen hundred pages of this is one story that's happening, this one thing that happens. and then what goes on from there? So I just think anyone who likes sci fi or like space or like just It is you got to get through. So the first book The first book in the series is the three body It's called threeree body problem. Then there's the Dark Forest and then Death's End. And again, once the Dark Forest is one of my favorite books of all time, and the Death End is also one of these are like two of my favorite absolute books And again, people also it's like, oh, the first book is sold, but that's only a sixth of the whole series. So that's what I would say. Well, I mean, seeven Ees by Neil Stehvenson, the moon explodes in the first line My first line of the book The mooon explodes I love it. It was something like it was just after midday on a Sunday when the moon exploded. That's the first line of the book. Wow, it's pretty good. Bys I appreciate you. you're all fucking awesome. Tim, You you're going traveling for a bit, so I'm going to see you for a while. Yeah, shame. What have you got going now? Where should people go to keep up to date with the shit that you've got happening ust go to Tim. blog. justust put up a blog post talking about how nonfiction is imploding thanks to L good. Do you want to see real sales numbers on disruption? That's there. Yeah, Tim d. blog S sign up for the newsletter Tim dotlogg slash Friday,'s got two million subscriers to funds f Um, so until my book is out, that can't no one can buy that. So that's fall of twenty seven, so for who knows Woide. com is my homeland on the internet and all my posts are up and they're usually pretty evergreen, so that's still f, I think. Likewise, I would say newsletter is the thing to do because I don't post that often and I only send an email out when I post something, so it's not annoying and I always encourage people to get on board there H agency. com forward slash books findind out about Oblomov who I spoke last time, my four hundred page Russian novel where a man spends the first fifty pages worrying about how he's going to get out of bed Now that's having just criticized the man five hundred paid. Read it. Read it and see like what watch problem of sit there the most exiting time in bed. All. My beauties, I appreciate you. I'll see again soon. Thank you. Thanks go Boys. Yes. they out in Aazon. Yeah a fan a ship Yeah, I gl Yeah. boom G job, everyone. The amount of treats was such a I had so much fun. These are incredible. Thank you. so much fun