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I keep seeing tweets about how everyone should be taking erectile dysfunction medication. Is that' true? Low grade, whatever it yeah, like D phoner. Padalophil, which is the generic name for Cialis, was developed first as a prostate health drug And then people took more of it and realized that at higher dosages, it can be diff for rerectile dysfunction. low dose' good for prostate. low dose like two point five to five milligrams per day is very helpful for perfusion of the prostate and also it causes vasodilation in the brain. so thingsings like strokes. I mean, you want blood flow, right? You don't want excessive blood flow, you've got a headache from it. But our chair of male sexual Health and neurology at Stanford, Mike Eisenberg He came on the podcast and he said, pretty much every mail over forty or so should be taking about two point five to five milligrams per day. Does it still get you pretty hard to It definitely will improve I just serious. It will definitely it will definitely notch up like erectile strength, but unlike, you know, some health. people out there, I'm not like using the calipers to measure the strength. You know put ask someone else to measure. and and she tells me that like you know, Not, you know, it's all good. I me. Yeah. Just tell her close her hand close her hand if you can Well, no, I've never actually subjected to the grip test. You know, I don't want to tempt anybody. But in all seriousness, you know this drug that was developed for vasodilation, which is now used for erectile dysfunction, it really was developed first as a prostate health drug. And a lot of sitting, the prostate' weird too, because it doesn't get a lot of blood flow compared to other tissues, doesn't have it speak for yourself.. sameame immune system Yeah. well, what if you see it with the we hear keiggling all day, so, you know, we realizeed, you know, Chris said to pull up to this little piece tape so we didn't catch keigl over the desk. know. Kgeling, keigling. Isn't I kind of feel like it could just be a sigh up to normalize erectile dysfunction medication by dudes that have got erectile dysfunction And by doing that, every man should be taking it that nobody is that on the outside Hmm, It's fair The I take the six the it's like five to six milligrams in the morning You do in the morning everyvery morning. you go. What's a what's a little It's a little minint. Is that half? What's it like a? I don't know. I mean, you can get full one? Is that full one or a half one? O what that . Well, I'm saying it depends on the prescription that you're given, right? So like the six milligram thing is supposed to be for prostate health. But if you were like to get twenty five, fifty, obviously that's like massive blood flow andre you're going to take note And it can drow blood strong gust of Yeah. And it can and it can disrupt, you know, lower blood pressure slightly and things like that. because youain inv vasive dilation, so, you know All the pipes are getting a little bigger. Yeah. So But let's like takepe one right now and see like how the bast. Do you ever get the erection lastins? Yeah I'm a strong mother. Young This is not the podcast I signed up for But But to your point, it probably does feel safer for guys to call up their doctor and go, Hey, I heard this podcast. I heard some, you know, MDPHD from Stanford, not me, but Mike Eisenberg said that I should be getting better perfusion of my prostate and I should take two point five milligams of's doalolfill you know, and and there they just avoid all the statements about Cialis, ED d d d, d. And then you know, they call another doctor and get a duplicate prescription and now they're taking double. You can assume that some of that happens, but it's also cost like pennies. It's generic now the patent is out. Do you know the story about how Viagra was found I only know that it was very quick to market. It's one of these like remarkable discovery to suddenly like it was on the market And that just tells you how badly certain people wanted on market and to use it. The story was that they were trying to do something, I think it was for anina. It was more heart stuff. And they found typically when medical trials is finished and they ask people to give the medication back, people don't have an issue in doing it, and no one wanted to give the medication back like No this. And then they also noticed when the nurses were going in to do the checkups on the people during the trial that the guys were sitting weird They were all like sitting like cross legged to cover themselves up. And from that they said, yeah, there's been this sort of weird side effect to this anginia medication that you've been giving me. I feel like I'm fourteen again. Well that Younger guys are probably going to want to get on the to Dalfield too, but maybe not for the same reasons U reggulate either sensitivity or number of androgen receptors. so your body can respond more and better to whatever circulating testosterone you have. So there are a bunch of things that make it like a useful tool, but a very low low dose. It will make you a little rudy. like a, you know, like it makes you a little bit redialis. Well, just because blood flow it's to everywhere. You know, I'm surem the British world. I'm sure somebody's going be mean like a pink. You know a lot of pro athletes the low dose before games too. Is that for anxiety? I think just they just the increased blood flow is sometimes that anxiety lowers blood pressure a little bit That's why I was saying if you take it later in the day, it can assist kind of like feeleels like you know, like a half Like like a half cock like half a cocktail. C careful using half cock. No pun't like you Nothing is safe in this room, comedians and shit, like, you know, I'm You know I wantan to know your morning routine. M? Yeah, Matt, Andrew spent for a long time like optimizing people's mors. I want to know what your morning routine. Well I heard you were talking about cortisol while So I was waking up and just chugging coffee, being like I'm up in my cortisol and I would have like a panic attack in my office and be like, I don't know, man, I don't know if I'm cut out for this No no, I wake up I woake up early, man, like six thirty Every other day I'll take my kids to school And then I just go to the gym for like an hour. Are they off on the other days? Now my wife does, okay. I thought you' like, they don't go to school every day. I was like I was like, arere you adopting? 'causeuse that sounds like a good ride No, man, we uh but yeah, I'm pretty honestly, I'm more locked in than I've ever been I'm up every day, six thirty and you know, just I work out almost every day. I got fat. I got like fatter than I ever was, so I'm trying to like pay for two years, two and a half years of bad eating. So I'm losing You look good, manen. good. You guys all look good. You you do that and no shame if anyone does it. Anone on the GLP? I'm not, I haven't tried them man. No know. Is that the that's real quiet. I tried No, I tri I tried it. I tried it in in twenty two. Yeah. but I tried it after I had lost the majority of my weight. Okay. And I got down. So I was like, I hit a wallet like. to twelve to thirteen, and I was like o, I want to get to like two hundred. You I took it for like a month, but I didn't eat. Oh yeah. And so I lost the twelve pounds And then I was like, yeah, but I'm like, I'm not eating at all Yeah. So I got off of it and then gained the ten, twelve pounds back And then I kind of just floated there for a while. and the thing that actually jump started Getting down again was doing a fast I did a five day fast. No water No, I had water. Okaykay. But a five days of no food. Okay And I anticipated that I would Like I knew that once I resumed eating that I would gain some of the weight back, but I gain none of it back And then I went into a production And on the production The thing is, if you're in like every scene you you don't want to eat a lot like if you're in every scene, right? So like I would get on set at like I don't know makeup trailer like five thirty six in the morning like, do you want to eat? I'd be like, just a little bit of fruit, a little bit of egg whites Then you shoot for like sixix hours and you break for lunch. So you pick a little bit at lunch And then you have to shoot the rest of the day. So the only like real meal I was like that was full I was having was at the end of the day I was having dinner And in the production, just by working I lost twentyenty five pounds, Dan And then I gained like ten of that back. So I'm still I'm like one hundred ninety right now It's from just like basically manipulating how I was eating and working out overworking yourself. Was that from your show? for the That was from that was from the movie I did last year. Okay. And so and then I then when I came back, I was like, shit, I'm gonna to gain all the weight back again. but I just started working out more, like Four days a week I work out in the mornings and just Dial in food more, like pay attention more. Yeah. ye I have a question about the whole thing with comedians and acting. Yeah. How come theyre they're so good at it? Like it seems like like Theo's got a, I haven't seen Bus Boys yet But I saw the trailer, I'm like feel can act, you know, and then I Obviously, like Jim Cery is comedian all these people like all these comedian actors, comedian actors, comeder, Whitney will show up and things. So Is it an easy jump? And if so, why? I think it's actually like it's really dependent. Some can really do it some can't. And the ones that can really do it have the dramatic capacity to do it, right? Like when you think of like Jim Cy, Robin Williams, those guys were like incredible comedians But they have this darkness and sadness within them, which I think lends itself to dramatic acting. But I don't think that that's across the board because I've seen a lot of comedians that are shit actors And then some some that really impress you, but it's kind of like you just never know. You just never know. It's hard to two. you don't get feedback when you do stand up. when you when you act people go All right, that's fine. Gep going. You ye Yeah. Is that all? is that the best or like what are we doing here? And then you I started being like Oh they don't like, you don't even get feedback and someone will do a scene and the whole like staff will clap and you're just like, fuck there was feedback. I'm not getting it. Yeah. Well the thing is about you could tell about like comomedians who act, especially at first versus like experienced actors, experperienced actors when they yell cut The experienced actor doesn't turn to the director and go, what do you think? They know what they're just like, You fucking come over me if you want to. Like I'm not asking you for approval. They know how they do. They know what they're doing. Andedians they'll go cut and they'll be like What do you think L because' they're waiting because we're feedback Yeah it would be the same just being on the stage and going to the audience and going, didid you like it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. you noticice it, right? And then But like some blow you away with how talented they are as actors. But I think it's like you never know who has it. It's a specific skill set, I think. Is it true that some actors just never leave character I was listening to something about the filming of the Outsiders, the original movie. Right? And someone was saying that like, Tom Cruise like literally just stayed in character like the entire film. All these stories about who does that Yeah like, you know, famously like Daniel D. Lewis Carey did it when he was doing the com with me. Like there's various stories about who does it. I talked to somebody who said They were on a set and onene of the other actors came up in character and was like, you know, like doing his voice. and the director was like, we're not doing this And he was like, o, okay. he was just like, I'm not playing with twenty seventeen, I think it was, I met Pewe Hermann in an art show. and he was in the full get up. Yeah. And u Paul, what's his name? But anyway, real life. I don't even know his real name. Yeah, yeah. yeah. And Paul Herman hurt something like that And and Laird Hamilton was there And Laird's like only Laird, right? He's on Yeah He's just like and I don't think he knew who Pewwe was. Really Herman like worked his way through this enormous wall of mostly women who wanted to get near Laird. And, um And I was like, Hi, it's so nice to meet you. And he was like talking to there's this moment where it was like Laird Hamilton and Pewe Hermanu. P was just fully carered the lipstick to everything. Yeah. I mean, look, I get this was out in the world It was it was like a W Hollywood art show Yeah I get how if you're really in the character and kind of stay that way between you know, setups and shots like it can help, especially if it's like a really involved thing But I mean, I think there's probably there's limits to where you want to take that. I've heard that like the most extensive was like Jim doing Andy Kaufman, like there's a lot of stories about how he was just never breaking from that. But I don't think that that's mostly what people do when you talk about like method acting. Yeah. My method is I drink a ton of Dunkin Donuts coffee and I think about my face the entire time I just like, what is my face doing right now? hour of anxiety from caffine. You drink a lot of. You mentioned it three times. you're like, if I drink a cup of coffee at noon, I'm aft. and then you're like, I wake up in the morning, slam of coffee. all that dude. I know they're like, I drink be b. This's actually a good a problem. No No shit. You know who's a really good actor? This guy. they do ads for Nutoning and these other things I'll see it on Instagram It actually passes I can't stop thinking about the fact that you're obsessing over your face the whole time You think what my face look like right now Do you mean what am I emotoding? Like is? Yeah like does it just look like I'm thinking about my face or does it look like I'm sad? Like I don't even have a broad range of. We've only met in person for a little bit. I' tell you right now, you're pretty dead pen. Am my dead pen?ret dead pan? ye Yeah. To behind this face it iss just a swirl of just emotion and chaos. Am I dead pen for real?'re pretty deaden,? Yeahah, That's funny I don't feel dead Pat. All right. That'sraz. I appreciate that you You're pretty you got pooker face too. I mean, you know No I don't but I don't act I mean, this guy was on reality TV. so Yeah like you were on last season of ties as well. You you did doing the next one? Do you know if you were in that? Yeah same thing. but I again, I get done and I'm like W my face to have been terrible. Yeah yeah. It had have been terrible. then I see it. I'm be like, I didn't realize that was you. and I'm like It dissolved into the role. Yeah because he won' his dead p fucking. I'm completely confused. I'm waiting for someone to be like, you get the fuck out of here now What are you doing here? What are you doing? Get away from here? I think that's a very comedian's perspective. Yeah. I really do syndrome. Yeah, for sure. And he's good and that's why he thinks that way. You know, if he was like, I'm the shit, he probably wouldn't be any good at it. Yeah Has there been any research done on comedians like if If we put Tom and Matt in a lab, do you think there's some scans or tests or biomarkers that you could do on them that would identify what they've done as a career? That's a tough one. The only science that pops to mind. is and Tom and I have talked about this before, but Like there's studies, there's some interesting studies, like the classic studies of memory were all done on this guy HM, this patient who had damage to the hippocampus critical region of the brain for encoding memories and You could walk in, introduce yourself, walk out And then five minutes later you walk in, he would not remember your name. And they tested, you know, he wasn't faking it. They kept at this for decades And if you told him a joke, he'd laugh And if you came back and told him the joke again, he would laugh a little less each time, evenven though he was completely unaware that he'd heard the joke before. So that's kind of interesting, right? There's something kind of unconscious. and then I think it was Utah that said this that Also something weird about comedy, which is Many other things like visual art or music L if you don't like opera and then you listen to a lot of it and you start looking for certain things and you kind of develop a sense of the nuance, you can start to really like it it either lands with you or doesn't. And if you hear something you don't more than once, it just sounds worse. I think that it's the most like art is subjective, obviously. and you know you have involuntary reactions to like, I like this painting, I like this song, right? But like what I was saying is like you could see a painting and not care for it, but maybe somebody comes to you and like explains the history or the technique that was used and then all a sudden you start to appreciate it more. But I think if you go like, that's not funny It doesn't matter who tells you what, you're just like, it's not funny to. You know. So in that sense, I think you have like the most peopleeople have a completely involuntary reaction they find funny or not funny. But it's re pretty hard to deny good music. I think music and beauty are two things that sort of penetrate in that way. Can you, dude. Kany, like just not had a great run over the last five years Yeah brand wise He's got such bangs as that he can sell outif five stadium two nights in a row. like fucking thirty thousand people and stand on top of the world and everyone be like, yeah, he's still Unbelievable. heard this like music's undeniable in a way.'s like this one just a tour or something. He was on top of a glo. He already did that one. That'. I heard' seen his list where he published the peoplee I Hate list. H lists are amazing. I've seen these examples I don't have my ph with me, but occasionally, he'll just tweet like people I hate. It's like a revenge list. But what's wild Someone should find that just I guess on one or two of them. But then some people show up on multiple lists These list arean They're of a different reasonons. are It's kind of nice to be that free though too. Don't you like he says shit and you're like, bro, come on manen. But then you're also like this guy' so free that he doesn't care what he's Y You just can't deny music in that way.. Like if you've got bangers, people are just let. But to extend that to comedy and art People always say, you know, it's all subjective But do think that greatness is objective. You know what I mean Like you can say like, This guy's not funny, that guy's not funny But if you're trying to say that like I don't know Richard Prior George Carlin, Edie Mury if you're like, they're not funny. I think you're ively raong deaf. Yeah, like you just you you can say, I guess you don't find it. but you are actually, I think wrong. L greatness is greatness, right? Like you can't argue with a certain level of great art. I suppose you might not like the genre of someone's music You would have to go, w, look, like they're a fucking savant at whatever they've done. Yeah. you don't need to like hop to say you're not m music. You're not gonna say like, Beethoven's trash, right? It would be a hot take. There's a hot take.ethoven's trash. Yeah. Oh yeah no one s it's not for me. It's just like it's just not for me. Yeah, yeah. It's like That's interesting. people are more personal when it comes to especially YouTubers, podcasters, right? becausecause the distance between whatever the art form is and the person is basically zero. It's like, well, you're just you Right You're just being you, which means that it's not just not for me, it's that person's a bad person. and then it gets wrapped up in like morality and the sense of who they are. The same thing' not true in any way for like a musician It someone who doesn't even perform with their real saage name, maybe they wear a mask on stead, they get dressed up, and then comedians are sort of somewhere in between Right? becausecause it's like it's partly you but partly not Y I'm fashion you by the comedy thing because the different cues. likeike I said, unless they're deaf. Like if they can't actually hear the jokes, I was, you know, being kind of tongue in cheek there. but the but in In reality like some comedans I know this I noticed still, like how they use the whites of their eyes. likeike, you know, they' this kind of thing like they can they can punctuate Oh yeah with with with eye contact and there the Rressions is so much of it. Yeah. Yeah, that's a huge part of it. And and I just I don't really understand physical comedy. I don't really get it. I have to say I wasn't really into the Jim Carerey movies, you know, like that.s just like crazy like you know, all the craziness. but I love the stuff he acted in. Yeah. I get it. You know, And I just saw somebody like at the festival and like as soon as it got like real wacky, I'm like the fuck is going on yeah it throws me off too. Yeah. I mean, they eventually started animating him and it was like it became its own character, right? you know, or cartoon. It's wild. So yeah, there's a lot there. and I think people are so I think some people are just tuned to pick up on certain things and they there's an excitement that puts them at this edge. This is how always feel as a spectator. Yeah. So I don't play music. I know nothing about music except that what I enjoy is one of these areas I just I'm purely a consumer. Same thing with comedy. Yeah. And I feel like comedians do something or a combination of things that bring certain people to like this edge where they're like ready to laugh. They're like, you know, it's like the gun's cocked and loaded, you know, And so they're just like ready And then You just have to let them go. And so some people they're hard to bring out a bit more and they probably respond to a different kind of humor. People Some people love that physical. I've also been I'm like you're in the room sometimes in a club and someone's on stage and they are just murdering And you're like, what's going on? Like like you're just like, I don't even know what is happening right now. You're watching it and you're just like you feel like you're dissociating or something, becausecauseuse you're looking to someone's supposed to understand what's going on. Yeah. You're like, I don't get it. Yeah. you're on next. You're like, this guy sucks see Yeah. Well there's also this interesting memory. like Tim Dylan made me laugh so hard at the comedy store with the I am your mother like before I saw it on online. I' do that whole bit is that we go? Yeah. And now when I see Tim Dylan, I start laughing. L I'm kind of the edge of laughter. and I'm not expecting him to make a joke. It's just somewhere in my unconscious mind. like that's just associated him. That's f And I'm just like, this is gonna to be something taps into something Yeah So it's he just he's really fucking good. Fuck man. Eespecially when he's rant when he's ranting on the show, it's like it's impossible. I've never seen anyone better actually than Tim.'s alone it's one of the hardest things. Becauseuse when podcasting start like started big in comedy. It was probably like er nine, twenty ten is when people started to like and When I would see the guys who could sit alone and do the hour alone and make it interesting and funny I tried it one time and I fuckking die. I feel I felt crazy myself. Yeah. just having a conversation with myself. 'causeuse like, where'd you go? Bill? didn't know really well her notes out. Yeah, if you at least type out some thoughts, it can help, but it just go pretend conversation with yourself Yeah, which is I talk to myself a lot, but if you're trying to like sell it's tough because it doesn' usually doesn't make sense. Yeah. You're just talking about what your face is doing. You do it alone a lot?'ve done it. I've done it a couple of times. It feels good. When you do it, it goes well, you feel really good, but when you lose the thread you're like But you got to have like some place to go to stay. Alex Jones Alex Jones, the the O for doing what Just being able to solo fucking like he was the original Yapper Yeah, rightight? He could do three hours a day.ude That's why. It's not like the Rush Limbaugh kind of thing. Yeah of built off that. That's true. Yeah. I feel like Alex Joness got built off Rush Limbu but with brush like them poked up. Yeah likeush. Yeah. And then and then a bunch of very costly to him false statements of a couple about school school school. Oneific misinformation He wasn't he fed himself as. that was fuck was. I don't want to get involved in the lawsuit. I don't know what happened. No I him did but, you know, I'm going with the original news story on. They got him The fuck the onion now own info. Yeah, they own infoo in I don't know Is there a more onion thing to do? L I know The first whoood deal they did was an impression of Alex Jones drinking the Blood of Christ and it was red wine. And he's like, it's available at the Info Wars store. Like if they'd released their own red wine under that brand, like Info Wars, red wine, Blood of Christ wine. Does't he ow like a billion dollars It's like a hundred It's like a hundred real. Jared, askk Chad. I thought it like a hundred hundreds of millions of dollars. lease a billion But everything around him, even though he's apparently a comedian and a bunch of other things woven in there too gets real real, real fucking quick because someone got shot and killed on his team here in Austin. Yeah right. He's talking about you know, school shooting murders, this kind of thing. like there's something he likes to. I don't think he wanted that thing to happen to a staffer, obviously. But stuff just runs really into reality very fast with him. He goes there and it comes back to him. Yeah. like Not good boundaries Yeah it'll happen. No, no, no. what's the what was the what is Alex Jones is You the fine. What's he being suit for? Yeah What' He I mean he got absolutely embarrassed for the Newton thing. San settlement Sany the settlement One point five billion five billion. holy shit One point five billion. 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It was kind of like Navy Sal Hell week but for reality TV because you don't get to leave ike locked in this villa, no phone, no internet. But to his aunch with a bunch of hot women. it' yeah, sounds li. Let me call ups of my friends are team guys. How was? How many hot women?ilar This similar to your situation, right? Right. Just Now you get a lot of sympathy. Yeah. Do you find yourself in those situ in a reality show? there is like a bit of p like there's cameras So' everywhere literally everywhere. So do you find yourself kind of like putting on, you know what I mean? To a deree, it's really weird because they work super hard to try and hide the cameras. So let's say that we were talking, there'd be like a plant in the middle and the plant would have one of those little CCTV things that they could just spin around so that you're not like aware You're never really thinking about it. and the huge big almost like sports TV bazooka things and they're over the far side, right? So this would be a bigger room.. And they'd be shit over the far side and they'd be zoomed in. and then the villa producer would come over because they want to poke the storyl. They can't take three weeks for you to ask this girl if you can kiss her. It's like it needs to happen fucking today. Yeah. So they'll come over and they'll go, Matt, how do you feel about Chris asking Andrew out and And he said, Well, you know, I thought we were friends and It really turns like I' not and I felt bit betrayed by him. He go, what I think you should do Why do you ask him to go and chat over by the fire pit And you go over to the five p and there's a fucking army of different photographer, photographer, people all around that, but they're all outside the bounds and you're not allowed to talk to them You can't talk to them And this is a fucking madest thing You never knew what time it was And they feed you booe too, right? Isasn't there their booe? They put a limit on after my season strategically. Right. But Even the camera guys and the drivers, if you ever needed to go off site to go and do a date or something, they all changed the time on the car radio. They changed the time on their watches and took their watches off. It was set You never knew what time you went to bed or what time you woke up. I think it's so they could control our sleep and wake pattern Whoa. It was really kind of weird. It's very cultish. Yeah. But I think it was just so that they could lock you into whatever. The first night we were there, everyone was super excited. We stayed up until what must have been two in the morning, three in the morning and then someone got up and there's half as many beds as there are people. So you're always sleeping with a girl each night. Oh B then I know Hell week. Hell week. Yeah, it's fucking butt school. Thanks sure man. And do you say butt school or but school?. And then we woke up the next morning and they came over the Tanoi and they were like, Hello Islanders been asleep for three and a half hours, Can everyone please get back to bed Because no one knew that we'd only been asleep for a little bit of time, one person's up and' were like, why, I guess got to get must' have been awake for a while, Whatever the fuck So that weird. It was wild. You inject some science, but because you said they're telling you how long you were asleep and you don't know how long you were actually asleep, there's some really cool data that show within limits If you see a great sleep score, cognitively and physically, you perform better the next day, even if your sleep wasn't that great. Really. And the reverse is also true If you see a lousy sleep score. and you actually slept great, your cognitive and physical performance takes a dive. Are you saying that the best wearable, like the best thing that whoop could do would just be to always lie to you and tell you that you are feeling great? ly uses within limits So if you sleep three hours, right? and it says, Ohh, you had a spectacular night's sleep, you're not going to compensate for that lack of sleep, right? So it's when it's when you're down or up about an hour or two of sleep So the real solution to this, sorry to make it so serious. Let's go back to Love Island., no Buds or buds, or whichever one it happens to be. Booty school The best thing to do would be to check your sleep score against your subjective. likeike you write down, you wake up in the morning, like feel like I slept great And then at the end of the week, you compare your score to what how you actually felt. So maybe checking in like every four or five days as opposed to o, got a ninety. I'm going ruin today. Yeah More importantly, if you get a lousy sleep score You don't necessarily want to let that You know, bring that worm in your brain to it brings me. There's like a real effect on real cognitive and real physical performance. It wasn't some like like corny in lab test. I mean this stuff can make a big difference, especially if you're operating at the level that you guys are and you're getting out there and you're like, o, you know, I need to get this just right. So anyway, sorry to inject that, but they did it to you, you know, So did you love on Love Island? I was only there for twenty days. I don't think that's a long. I'veallen in love many times in twenty states I think I read about that One day. I think I read about that. That was something entirely different. That wasn't love happens Now I fall in love twenty times a day with There you go. sweet. Are you threatened by the retard maxing movement? Have you heard about that? That's a great question, dude. That'. That's a good question. Right. Yes. Let me answer that the way I think you intended it. Yes, I am personally offended wit wake up andre you the retard? I'm retard maxing today. Is that what you think? What is the retard maxing? All. All right. It's awesome No, I actually what is this? Heard of look maxing. Yeah. look maxing, then there's a guy who does what's called retard maxing, which is was popularized by of all people, Mark Andreeson, who's easily one of the smartest people I've ever, ever met. know Mark real well. He's a big fan of retard maxing. Retard maxing is this guy on the internet who was What you want to explain? No, I'm living you that So you know with all this stuff about get up in the morning and you know, do this and do that and you don't be return. You you have a problem or all the kind of stuff covers, you know, like about emerging dynamics of male, female relationships and self perception and philosophy. and he interviews like you know real thinkers and they have British accents and that kind of thing. This guy sits in his backyard, is basically a farm and he has this thing that he calls retard maxing, which is where you basically just don't think about shit at all. You just do what needs to be done. If something bothers you ignnore it. Wait, is this the the the CEO that is like, I don't sell for So Mark Andrewen came on the David C. Yeah, so Mark Andrewen started Netscape. Right. And now he has A sixteen Z, which is one of the, you know, biggest investment firms Bay arerea and all over the world, frankly. and he came on the David Center podcast, which used which is a guy who also does the founder's podcast. David S Senter a podcast incidentally put out by SycCom. We loved the foundnder podcasterence So we brought Senra over and he brought Mark Andreason on. and Mark Andreason said, he used the words, These are not my words. He said Great men of history did not sit around thinking about their thoughts and introspecting, you know, like introspection is not what we need to be doing. We need more action less introspection. Yeah. actuallyctually Dana White kind of doubled down recently clip saying he's not he is not a fan of people men talking about their emotional challenges publicly You know that it's like, get up, go to war, make money for your family. sort of the old school Yeah kind of stoicism thing. So the the market reason thing moobilized a big discussion online on X in particular. One sort of angle of attack that he opened was, o here's a billionaire who doesn't like introspection. you know and I know Mark very well. He's not a sociopath. He's a very, very kind person. I know his family. He's an incredible human being at many levels. I'm going gonna catch a lot of shit for saying that That's the truth. if you actually know him. All right And now he's retred Now he then made a tri for retard Max and he was like, Hey, there's this guy on the internet who basically doesn't say shit at all. He just says just handle your business, do what you need to do and stop thinking about things so much. Don't ruminate so much. He said he was a big fan of this retard max. and he also building off looks max And then that caught some momentum. And so now the big thing is introspection. like should we introspection, should we think about and reflect on who we are and what's challenging us? And Dana was basically saying, hey, listen, a lot, I think the point Dana was trying to make was that men's mental health while Right? Suicide rates are way up. We all acknowledge that. He made a very good point, which is oftentimes getting into action and doing things as opposed to being online and thinking about your problems and rumination is a very dangerous place to be. Yeah. I think So he said, get up and work and provide for your family. but When he and Mark said these things, it came across as a little bit dismissive of the idea that emotions are relevant and I do think, you know, they have a point in the sense that I think we need to balance out some of what we've been hearing a lot of over the last few years.ure, which is that we need to think about every aspect of self, every aspect, you know, like, o, too much therapy is not Not good. Yeah. if you spend your time just like thinking and not doing. because it feels like that's kind of the note behind the note, right? is like if you just sit and introspect and think and you just sit and like, I feel this way and you never actually take action, then you're just literally not doing anything. But I think there's kind of levels to like I think it's good to to be introspective to a degree. cheheck in with yourself. Yeah, you know, express how you feel, but don't just sit there and say this is how I feel and then don't do anything. Yeah. I mean, there's a there's a kind of a larger perhaps deeper discussion around like to what And Mark Inrery s has said this as well. like People whove tended to accomplish a lot of great things ofentimes have some pretty rough edges. Yeah. I grew up in the town where Steve Jobs was around. He used to come in and get roller bllade wheels at the skateboard shop where I worked and K kind of a rough edged guy. He didn't wear shoes and you, when he wanted what he wanted he wanted it. then he was know for yelling at people. He drive ninety five miles but like you, this guy Yeah, likes to drive fast, you know, he got you know, And so there was this s there was this time up until phones with cameras Thank you, Steve Jobs There was this time up until phones with cameras where peopleople were kind of celebrated for being big personalities with some rough edges. great things that they did Now It's There's a movement largely from the left of like, hey, you know, everything needs to be rather tempered rightight? You can't be a big personality unless you're perfect in every dimension. And if you look, I mean, historically, you look at any public figure now, like you're going to find, as you said, there's that darken light. those and Mark's whole thing is those things go hand in hand G CEO's oftentimes have some strong disagreeableness. They rate highly on disagreeabeness. They're conscientious but they also are high friction people. but some of these like, you know Mark and you're like, this is a good but some really high achievers historically even now men, let's say, that are really high achievers. that get a lot of things done and have acc compvers a lot are also many people's accounts like terrible people, you know? Some of I guess the question is how close are those people to the actual person, you know that are saying that? Yeah, I mean, I think right now there's a lot of hatred of billionaires. Sure. And look, I was born and raised in Silicon Valley. Go big is like a thing. Like you my friends had gotten skateboarding in the barrier, like they weren'tinking about becoming billionaires, but Embarader Alause in the early nineties. Th those guys like started big company. went big. Rob Dirdk, he's from you know, Midwest, but then came out shows and then he's like ridiculous and, I have no beef with him What Going big is a theme inck, right? Yeah And everyone uses these platforms and everyone hates these people. I don't know. I'm I know some of these people, I'm not like super close with them. Yeah, I like Mark, I trust Mark. I like the other Mark, I trust that Mark too. I know, you know, various folks who run these big companies. Do I think they're perfect? No, no, of course. But I could listen, if I were talking about Nobel Prize winners past and present The men and the women, very complicated people.ure. Like you want to do a deep dive on the complications of science funding? L look up Jonas Sulk and who he married and getting money and then the work that he was able to do by virtue of his marital relations and things. I'm not saying he used his wife to make money funding M there's many examples of this in science You know, money fuels science. You can do more science with it. gotta love some. So there's a lot of interesting and it's not sorted. it's just sort of's They're still humans. Yeah, you know. so anyway. But if you've got constant CCTV because there's a phone camera within Two yards of view everywhere on the planet Th those rough edges look a bit. more harsh when they're scrutinized, is that what you're saying? I mean, I have this whole opinion, this is purely opinion now about what cameras have done to sort of what we need in order to really make strong assumption about somebody So like in the past, you could just say, hey, this person, like, I don't like them based on one thing they said. and you're entitled to do that. But I think two things have happened in the last couple of years that have completely transformed like what our expectation is about how rumor matches up with reality, att least for me, One would be This is an unfortunate bad incident, right? would be the you know, there was all this speculation about Diddy and these diddy parties, right? And everyone expected like at some point there's going to be a video Guess what? There was never actually a video aired, right? But there was a video of him beating up this woman That sort of raised the threshold for what people need to see in order to be like, okay, that actually happened. okay? The other one was this coldplay concert thing Like that coplay concert where the couple got caught cheating or whatever, like whatever the context of their backdrop or the relationship was totally uninteresting to me. But You could not have created, this was like opera, right? They're at a concert. They're cheating. The guy goes, Ohh, look at these two lovers, right? The guy is not just sayang like a st from one of you Yeah And like a from. There's this moment where they're in the like, o, that's us thenen there's this moment where they're like, o Yeah sp. So it went from kind of Delight sh in an instute shame. And then so we got to witness the whole arc. Now I wasn't interested in that, but the whole world jumped on that because it's like the human drama playing out in real time. So now when somebody goes, Oh, I heard that this woman had a kid with this guy. I don't even know their names that you guys probably do. You know, and she named her kid after this guy and like, o It has this kind of low level like, whatever, what happened between Justin Baldoni and Blake Lvy and this and it's sort of like Yeah,ere's the video Show me the video where this people don't people and so the press can go back and forth and back and forth and people kind of pick their camps. But I think real things being captured on real video has set the stand like not standard low standard high threshold. Yeah. And so I think that's changed. So now if somebody goes, oh yeah, these guys are, you know, sociopaths. you go Show me the data for sociopathic. People actually now need to see data. It's not sufficient that somebody write some little thing about one little thing. They need to see the video. the video is what actually shifts people's minds. So if people are saying, hey, this billionaire founder, this billionaire founder, this billionaire, Th these guys are terrible people. Right, right, right. How are they terrible people? Yeah, show me them being terrible people. Well I don't want to see it But I just don't see evidence of it. So I think it's just turning to chatter. and I think it's just gonna turn to fog and then I think it's gonna just go away. Well, yeah, I think a lot of it differs though. Depends who it is. There's different billionaires doing different stuff. So but I agree. If someone just has a billion bucks, I wouldn't hate them just because it's like you shouldn't have that much you're busy and you're doing well. I think it's very easy to get upset with other people because it's a lot easier than like getting up and doing something. Like retard maxing is hard dis That's one hundred percent true. Also good news, I think the couple, the guy who did squeeze boobs, the Coldplay concert, I think he's back with his wife now.ait squeeze boobs. G guy that's what I thought that Alf Fank. No he did over the shirt second base on the jumpper cr. That's what he was caught doing. He was hugging from behind and he was honking but he was her boss. He Yeah and he was And she was HR, which nobody touches HR Wild. That's crazy. And she was married punk on HR.. She was the HR lady. He was the boss. It's like the most forbidden s She did this whole thing, like New York Times ran this thing about how hard it was for her afterwards. They tried to do this kind of re. She'som Yeah, she's a promional speaker about gettinget a tisque. Yeah. it's like that doesn't define me basically. Yeah. So I have more than that The real question is what are the rules for HR at that company you can never get hired. You can never be able once you're done. Yeah, you can. That's ye. Yeah. ye. Only fans. That turn become myself. I do think you like email yourself That about the fact that I You know, we're just wa like, have you got any evidence? put it in your arena for with comedy. if I watch comedy like in the Tonight showow in the nineteen fifties It's very ho hum, right for now. Yeah. But you know, some of the stuff that was on game shows in the seventies was kind of edgy, right? You know, hed like kiss the guy's wife, you know, And then now We' there's just so much that's been out there. Yes that your threshold just like eating very, very flavorful food with a bunch of crap thrown in it. Like it raises your threshold for what you consider sweet or salty. So there's just sort of like emotional recalibration that needs to happen, but we're still on this I don't like that word ascension because it comes from that like sion thing Shit theyre All the words are taken, right? That's true. All theds That's true. Yeah all the fun ones. But in any case, sorry, you' I would say I was just saying that like I also just think it's super lame. to like that everybody just goes, I hate So and so because they're basically successful Like that's a that's a big thing in society now is that, you know, the eat the rich, hate that like punish them' like Sure, I understand sometimes when they go, this is like a legacy thing where like this person just inherited. but like when people start a company and do well and then you just hate them because they did well. it's really It's interesting the taglines eat the rich or tax the rich, not punish them, not people supposed to be. It's the first step, right, whichich is we don't like those people.. So we do like these people and we think that they should be helped. Also everyone uses these products. I mean worse. I mean, like, you know, If you really, truly hate somebody so much that you're willing to, you know defect from their product line, but everyone uses them. So obviously they don't hate them that much. Have you seen what you even put a bumper sticker on your Tesla, says anti Elon? I bought this b dri you drive a runner, but I've heard the says that drivers themselves are awesome. They're everyone. The Robot taxis.'s just so funny to buy a car and be like, by the way, I don't like the. I don't drive the car Or just sell it, sell it fuck face. Like you hate it so much. Just sell it. What do you drive is? This guy's like are you a car fanatic? No havious seenready. No, really. What's your What's rciate his car? It's all porsches for you, hu? I like porsches, yeah It's fun. I still love my I honestly love my GT four the most. It's my favorite one. It's not even like the craziest car that I have, but it's's some I think when you get into cars, you're always like, oh, level up and the next crazy thing. And then you find that like, oh, that's the what you actually are looking for is the fun of driving. Sometimes the fun isn't in the craziest thing out there or the fastest thing, It's something that the feel, the experience of driving is the thrill. And for me, it's still that car. Yeah It like relationships. Yeah, exactly. Yeah the thrill. H you guys seen the wine. I didn't hear that. Did you know your gut controls your energy, your recovery, how well you absorb everything that you eat and the one nutrient that keeps it all running properly is fiber? Well, it turns out that ninety five percent of Americans don't get enough of it, which is why I'm such a huge fan of Mermens' fibber plus. Most fibber supplements are one trick pony, one type of fiber solving One part of the problem. Fiber pllus is a three in one formula built to tackle digestion, gut barrier strength, and blood sugar stability all at once. I use this every single day. It is kind of hard to get enough fiber just through food alone. 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And then It Basically it's like you're still in a relationship with them like you never broke up. That seems like a healthy thing to do. Oh I could just sorry, you're saying to indulge in this Oh, I thought you meant to put it out to the internet. Oh, you could date my att to attack the internet. my This was my experience. You can see how this went. would I would just fight. Yeah Yeah. Hey, look, I know that you how I might have been in the wrong here, but you can interact with me M me or Mel Yeah Oh, I wonder if you could just feed it all in, like who was right Well this is this was on what is this openp AI. I played around with open AIs we in Redit? We're really down in the gutter. Create your own chat button plugged in scripts of text messages. And basically like she's saying it's a way of coping to mitigate some damage done to other people or even my ex because I direct any desire of reaching back out or having to rebound to chatting with the AI. I don't have a sex drive except for wanting my ex to touch me again So that's the other issue. This has been satisfying my emotional needs. She does go a little bit further down. She's like, I have been training it to be a little bit more like him. and like this just feels like Like you're trapped in purgatory with this rel this could really be a disaster. It could be a fucking nightmare. Yeah. But the other thing is like Is this a little you do you own your own likeness over text message? Is this a little bit like, I don't know. I guess you can relay thectent. There are definite laws about what I mean, she can put certain things out there perhaps but I don't think it's he's not making it public, right? It's just like it's privly But I feel like this is ultimate like she says, She says I love being your little spoon. little spoon. X. And then toes X. That's my favorite cunling position too. I love being able wrap my ar There's not. There's no way that's healthfy. I get the part where kind of like that. This is gonna to help me from reaching out when I shouldn't. But I love it's It's for sure it' not gonna to happen.ait, wa, wa, w, wa, wait H hold on a second. We're in the data now. Me. I always love being your little spoon. Okay, I could imagine woman saying that. I'm assuming that's a woman. And then him acts, assuming it's a him. That's my favorite cuddling position too. I love being Christie, do you really write this? I didn't write this. How did you blame me? It just because of the re' still bit better about the re little bit little bit. That's an ex girlfriend building almost like a nuclear weapon text against you to be like, I figured a lot of things out with you. Now I figured out how I can fix you. Read what this version of you does and do this Yeah Yeah Oh That's terrible. It's train data Wait, do you ever think about, you know how you're talking about cameras everywhere? Do you think that with the amount of cameras out today, that's why we don't have serial killers really anymore. L you know what I mean? Beause like now they just do mass shootings Yeah Yeah. Yeah. They get get's like very economical the show We it all b at once. Yeah. Forensics, but also cameras everywhere. We ring doorbells. We just we got one not long ago and you don't it's crystal clear audio So I'll get like a fight with my wife, walk outside be like fuck this and I'm shit I'm right on camera. I mean like, ye, you're fucked up. I' to build that into the scrip. watch out. Yeah, I need to grow up fuck you when you feed the ring doorbell the camera into your XAI Yeah. No, they're everywhere. they're on like every street.'s I think there's more cameras in America In China, if you include private, ring doorbells and all this stuff.' like I watch these crime things all the time and it's like somebody commits a crime and they're always just like either ring or like at a, you know, like when you go through a toll and it's like somebody gets like, they always get so much quicker with technology. So you don't have like all the, you know, we Gring up, you had like all these crazy killered BTK and Bundy and all these guys. And like I feel like you don't there's never those stories anymore. Like those where they get caught so quick. That's what I'm sayingcause communication as well. So I was watching a worst ex ever on Netflix. and there was that Wade Wilson, the deeadpool killer, this dude that was in a relationship with four or five women at once, Tpe Um he do not recommend. What The k kill one of them, and then just went on a spree like killed one got a woman from off the street that was walking to after dropping a kids off at school, asked her for something locked her in the carart strangled her to death. Jesus, then left her in a field and then was like just ready to go and do it again and again and again. But like you just go on a run and then you get caught and then it's done. Right Yeah Like R to do ten years, twenty years, you can't find somebody, you know? Like Yeah, you could be able to move and like your family couldn't find Yeah. You could just go to another state But it sounds like you thought of it. No you just be able to do that. The fuel station, the p fuel station. that I was before I gotarried, I tried that where I was doing online dating. so you're like, we're just dating. It's cual. It's Something weird about online dating thenen I was dating like four or five women And I remember being like, just be honest, man, I would like tell them the deal and they'd be like, fuck you, get out here and I'd be like, bow, fuck, I'm never telling you this I'll keep this myself for now. Do you mean tell them the deal? What do you mean?ike you're going online dates and it's just like, very fluid and you're like, we're not like boyfriend, girlfriend. We're just on dates. and you know it's like, they can't really tell you not to date other people And then I'd be I remember like but then you come up with this like web of like relationships that's like not really that deep, but it's like like By the minute it gets deeper and deeper and as soon as you're like, hey, here's I'm actually dating other people. They're like Fuc and you're like,, I don't even know you like this. What like should be back? How long would you like be into it before you would A month? a month, a month, maybe I don't know. You've gone out several times. Yeah, I start feeling myself, I'm like, here's deal, babe. And then I'm like getet out of my house and I'm like, all right, I tried the Dan Bel arian approach they failed. It doesn't work. Yeah to be honest. watchatch this This is some type of gas station And The awning or some type of structure completely collapses shhoddy construction work. It's not quite infrastructure, but look who springs into action A black man loitering outside the gas station This is big come up Hustles over to get himself tucked under to pretend he was caught in the wreckage for a settlement. That's pretty doars That'sin. I mean that's two cartons of newports and a thousand. I'll be out of here. I'm not mad at that guy dude So that's the American dream. It's harious too. It is the American dream right there. I was thinking about this the other day. Falling is like a billion dollar industry J'ust falling If you fall, there's billions of dollars you get paid out every year in America for Gravity this is the biggest life ha Why is no one arbitraging gravity? That's my favorite thing I'veard all day. Do you know the comedian Russell Peters? Yeah. So he's like a very famous Indian Canadian comedian And his brother, Clayton is his manager and he told me he was at the CBS lot in LA for a meeting It had rained and he slipped and fell. and he said P peopleople at CBS were like Oh What do you want to do? And he was like, what? And he's like like like he'd hit someone's child with his c. Yeah No they were like, we like the idea we don't know how to make this up to. He's like, I fucking fell. like I slipped and I fell. And they're like, so What should like we we'll hire like the orthopedic surgeon. We'll, you know, we'll get like we do you want to like call your lawyer? He's like, I'm Canadian. We don't do that So he's like, I fell and I have a bruise now and I'll be okay. But like the people on the lot were like, Are you going to sue us for falling? Terrified. Yeah. terrified. Well, this is the merge of this plus cameras. When you get into an Uber now, there's like cameras going out, cameras going in. like you can bet every conversation you have is, you know, recorded That's the advantage of a WayMo The advantage of a wayaym. They're recording every definitely recorded everywhere who's it going to Who's it going to Indian data center? China. Dude, there's a guy. I got in this isn't great, but I got in a awaymo with my wife and kids and we let the kids sit on her lap because we weren't like going far at all. and they called us right away and we were like, Yo, what's up with those kids And I was like, what do you mean? And they're like, how old are they? I was like, nine, My daughter was like, I'm six. I' like, shut up. guy the guy laugh Oh, that was even your kids. The dude laughed and it was just like, just, you know, you get in the front, put your seatballs on, here we good. We were like just in our neighborhood going to like a pond. Have you ever touched anything in a wayo? So I've been in the front seat and myself. The windscreen Sorry. The windscreen was dirty, and I was like, I'm gonna to help I'm going to help. So I'm I'm going to press the thing because it was on my side you know the windscreen wiper thing like that Immediately the car starts flashing, says like, do not touch any of the controls. We're pulling over. pulled the car over to the side of the road and then School teacher comes on and says, what are you doing? Like, why are you touching the fucking windscreen stalk? Windscreen thing was dirty and I thought I was I was ex startited to get panicked. I was like, I feel like I'm in trouble. feel like I'm being told off by a teacher in school. And they said, okay, we've put a mark on your account And if this happens again, then your account will be removed from the wayayo.nteresting thing was it was my housemate's account and who was sat behind me. So I like got him a strike on fucking Waymo by trying to clean the but yeah, they do not want you touching. Don't touch Yeah. I took one in San Francisco It was wild because I got in and I was like, this is really odd and then it was going up through the You know, through Pacific heights and I forgot there was no driver. Like, you know, obviously there's no driver you're in the back seat, but it's It's just wild. like it drives so well Can they go and motorwways y? No, I think it's all backroads. I don't know. Is that ye Yeahah? I think that's the just highwed. Yeah. Yeah, whatever. the fast big ones Yeah. Yeah they'll be on soon, but I think it's just backroads now I do the same thing, forget those's a driver. I'll get out and they thanks. Yeah, it's weird. What's that tell us about drivers? I don't know Usually they kind of yap. I usually get yeap you talk to yeah, big time I love it honestly. You love the chat conversation. I'm one of the only people I love chatting the with the driver. What are you asking Whatever. I usually let them kind of do the thing. you know, let them it's combo or I might start, if I'm like kind of bored in the back I'll be like, It's a own it busy It's They'll to start going. They love to talk. Man, I got in one in an Uber and the guy was like, whereere are you from? And I go, Austin. He goes I was just in Dallas He's like The CIA fucking kill JFK. And I was like, what? No. And he's like, I did the whole tour. I can set you up. I don't want to go in the fucking tour. And he just starts going off. He was like, it was a twelve man job. I'm telling you. like I was like, okay, far. I have friends Jones.. I mean, it it was definitely a lister. This is crazy. have otherwise completely rational friends who do not believe that the Challenger explosion was real. That's like their new thing. Yes, the number of conspiracies that actually hook now with other Whise basasically reasonable people is staggered. Have you ever looked at any? and I mean any post? from NASA on Instagram and gone to the comments? No. you do this? Any fucking image they're like You know, like they'll be like, there's people on the space station right now. Look at this and everyone's like, fake AI. You guys are trying to fucking ruin like you're tricking us. this is bullshit. who's buying the shit? Like thousands of compies is anything they. The word on the street is that NASA was F founded by like a Satanist. That's what someone said. that was like this is what I'm. Yeah That's I'm saying. that could be true though. That could be true. Let's say found like you're a logical science based person. Yeah. I believe love Mal. This is nice. Yeah, but that's Mother's Day. Do sort by newest elements. Here we go.'re propaganda nice. Yeah. Yeah, fighting Earth is I mean, that is that could be a flat eararth.'t All right, h on. Yeah. I mean, there I could see I could see them getting kind of crushed, especially at this if it was the moon, they'd be getting attacked. Oh they have mo an Ial That's stuff. They have moon stuff for sure, man Jesus Christ, brief us go back up to that. That's actually pretty supportive. I'm If This is amazing. I don't think people were We're wondering if the recent mission was fake. I think it' about it's about the classic missions. And there are some basic questions I wish NASA would just answer directly. Yeah. Like Rogan's always bring up some very reasonable questions like how come the phone call was so clear and like from just explain. how was it that the phone call was made from from the White House from, you know Um Cape Canaabveral, like just explain the engineering behind it. Yeah. you know, you have to do it in detail. You feel like bushit Itells like booksit go Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. dude it's it's my favorite Hollywoods actors at the top. kind of fun. Unbelievable.'s it's everything. Most people have no idea where their testosterone levels sit But what if I told you there was a solution, somethingomething that identifies low tea faster than a high school bully, and it won't cost you all your lunch money. That's where function comes in. Gives you access to over one hundred sixty lab tests, including a deep dive into your full hormone paddle. Every result is reviewed by clinicians. Anything out of range is flagged. clear explanations with a personalised protocol with actionable next steps So if something's off, you know exactly what to do about it. Whether you just need to go to the gym more or play Ced louder in your car. fununctional will tell you exactly where your testone, and everything else stands. Normally, this level of testing would usually cost thousands, but with fununction, it's three hundred sixty five dollars a year. That's one dollar a day to stop guessing with your health and start knowing. And right now you can get twenty five dollars off, bringing it down to do three hundred and forty bucks. So get the exact same blood panels that I do and save twenty five dollars by going to the link in the description below or heading to function health d. com slash modern wisdom using the code modern wisdom check out. Do you feel like any of the let's say big ones of the top ten are legitimate to are interesting to get a category in Yeah. what do mean What So many Well? I mean, there's like the Pizzaate thing, there's the addrrena is a huge one.. The mooon landing thing seems pretty easy for NASA to resolve if they actually care enough to resolve it, right you know I don't doubt that the photos were you know, there was some exposure adjustments perhaps done to those photos, but that's not what people are claiming, right? Right? People are claiming this was f fabricated. was a set. So it should be pretty straightforward, right? I mean, here's I'm always agnostic about it because it's like, yeah, it could totally be real, one hundred percent. But if we were politically pressured to beat Russia, they could totally do a set and be like, yeah, we did it You know, I feel like the day that Elon claims that the moon landing was fake, true. I might get on that that hypothesis because he knows a lot about this whole spaceetam and He's not afraid to say whatever. Yeah. and Yeah, no one can can get you long. He's not spending his times let's put this way. He's not spending his time going on it to go back there. He's got a different target Yeah. And I would think that he would raace his voice. but I don't know Elon. He's not one of the people I was referring to earlier. I've never met him. We've been in the same same physical space or with other people at a gathering, but I've never actually spoken to him There's definitely something that happens with conspiracies if you're sat around the table, especially with people that spend a good bit of time thinking about conspiracy theories, which I don't I love listening to people talk about them.. And there's kind of like this race to the bottom of the iceberg where people go, o, what, you think that Epstein killed himself? Well, really what happened? Oh, you think that Epstein didn't kill himself? Well, actually he transcended to a third fifth dimension and Oh, it's like this weird one upmanship. game of who's got the most intntense deep fortune Rabbit hole. Yeah. He didn't the gunun because he didn't kill himself. I mean, come on. It was a suicide note There was a suicide note that was written like his roommate. his roommate did. His roommate's like an ex cop Who's I doing I think doing four life sentenence. Oh, the cellmate that was the murder. Yeah, like I'm gonna mur for that guy Yeah Yeah, the guards were There's somebody going up the stairs like Also he was a narcissist. Everyone agrees on that. they don't tend to kill themselves. There's something just, I mean, who knows Mbe maybe he was serious. I saw that note the other day online and maybe he wasnt like, o, this is no fun I'm out. but like does not seem consistent with everything else. There's things that lend itself to, I mean, he also basically changed his will u what two or three days before Where he know that? Yeah, he passed everything to his brother, which You could interpret as somebody getting ready to check out. the hyoid bone that snapped If you talk to certain forensic pathologists, they say it's more consistent with a homicide. than a suicide, the way the force with which it was broken, right? So that lends itself to murder, not suicide, Yeah, it just kind of depends on. I retard maxim conspiracy theories so I go maybe I don't know. Yeah. literally I don't know. That way everyone it's you're just perfectly in the middle. I genuinely But what do you do? Okay I have no I genuinely if I anostic. Yeah, I have no idea. Like it's it's plausible that it was all a giant government cover upp. Also, I don't know. L I have no idea. People I know they've worked Literally's like in the government doing You know, like spooky shit, like online spooky shit and that kind of thing. will tell you that the government is pretty inefficient, even at the highest levels that it would be very hard do clandestine things within the most effective organizations, they're sub organizations. So if somebody wanted to run countercurrent to like everyone around them and be the, you know, That's tough You could get a small collection of people, then it's hard to keep a secret, right As we know, human beings. I don't know. The Epstein thing was wild. I have to say that that blew a hole in the internet for a while. Oh ye. You had people from the right who were on that list and in the emails on the left. What was so interesting to me Is that kind of like the video theory that I had earlier, you know, which is just a thought and a theory really Files were interesting even though they were incomplete because They were real time correspondence. It wasn't like, I heard someone say this and then they said that. It wasn't a deposition, right? These were the real emails at the time. could have fed it into a chat butott and had a conversation. Yeah. Have you seen this thing? there's this email where they turned all the conversations Yeah. And then they have another one, which is a plot where you can put anyone's name in and it shows the number of conversations they had with them over time like it's it's wild. Yeah. Yeah. and you know, he sat at the Nexus of a lot of different people organizations and it transcended again, right left. it transcended academia. I mean, he was connected And what's wild is the people who were approaching him and wanting his time Many of them had tons of money Tons of public accolades were private accolades.ike they didn't, like I don't understand how it is that people just continue to seek him out. It was wild. Yeah.ild Really interesting. It was crazy that somebody was that connected to so many different facets of people in life. And they overlooked the fact that he had already been convicted of Yeah, that was the wild one where it was just kind of like if you didn't know that whatever, but like when people are like, yeah, this is a public record and you're like, Yeah, it's like m. So' like not a conspiracy theory And you can look this out. There's a guy, I know because he was kind of peripheral to the science community. I never met him. He was actually kind of a lousy failed scientist named Al Sele. This great, big fat guy who sa you visual illusions, right And but he his data were always kind of eh. Anyway, he ended up marrying Gillaine Maxwell's sister. He was in charge with a small group of other people of basasically Bry Epsteine sex offender status after he, you know, was convicted for the first time one that helped to get all of the headlines out. Yeah like name it would be on the whatever sports or whatever. And so it kept putting this stuff out. Yeah, yeah. What happened to him? He was found dead at the bottom of a cliff in like twenty fifteen or something. French government won't comment on cause of death. Like there are a lot of dead people around this. There's another conspiracy that there was interest like I was like, oh, I didn't know what happened. I felt like that you know, when you go like you pick up on stories but you don't really follow it, which was the The attempt the butler assassination attempt. You know, of abute? No, no Trump. Oh, where You're like, oh, this guy, you know, was a shooter and then it just kind of mean the recent thing The not the first one. the first one, the one where he was camp three now golf C. There's there's remember. The one in Pencil down. Yeah. That's what I'mking about. The outdoor one.'s what I'm talking about. ear. the ear. that's I'm talking about. Okay. that one Have we ever seen a photo of that guy Well the thing is they the investigation was just likeike shut down. Like they just go, this what happened and then there's no further investigation.ine is yes. And so with we just I mean, it's what is like I handle the punishment.. Why don't we have more this story. Like it's just kind of fucking modern day assassination attempt at with a rifle at an out of a former president who's campaigning Do we even know the name of that the person who supp remember That's kind of wild, right? That's crazy. That is crazy. It fully evaporated. Yeah It's called the memory hole. And then I don't know if this is true. They said that as he was being helped up The flag was being lowered for the photo. I don't buy. I mean, I don't buy that Look it up. But if we were if we were to I'm. I' If we were to Gle's good. If were to Google, what is the first and last name or put into AI. now we don't Google, we put into AI chat GPT, right? Yeah. If you were to put into chat GPT, what is the first and last name of the person who U attempted to assassinate President Trump but grazed his ear with a bullet instead. Does anything come up? Are you guys like afraid to do this? No It definitely comes up sure. His name comes up. Yeah. I any hory on the guy who is are we too afraid to shut down. we do that. I would like tobody We're just like, that's what happened Well m Peter. was It was such a quick news cycle that every even the public forgot about it. And this is what people say about the Iran thing that the Epstein files were getting too spicy. so we're going to invade Iran. R. And if you do the Google trend data lookingooking at search volume for Epstein and then search volume for Iran. They did fucking crossover Matthew Crooks. All right so So Thomasatthew, what do we know about Thomas Matthew Crooks Yeah fucking sweetike is he, likeike where did you go to high school? What's his, you know, what was he do Well, can you? Was that investigation shut down was the further because there really is no if any of you guys disappear in the next forty eight hours, I know I' completely a Oh wow, okay cononcluded Okay. He acted alone. no evidence of co consonspirators' broader plot Ricial said they never establish a clear motive. I think the motive is nothing else. The motive was to kill the president. Yeah. U So the FBI criminal case was Is there a photo if you just said image of this? Thomas Matthew Croos because somebody went to school with them, somebody knows him. Someone's Chadi Peting ' she's her exx. I mean, come on Yeah, it's funny because they last assassination attempt. I remember being like boring. It was just It wasn't even fun. Weird. So they just kind of let it just want one. likeike Yeah, it it seems strange Thomasroke Rard Max Yeah Definitely not look maxing Now I think' don's not that's not the young version of the of the Looks Maxing guy. Jesus. Fuck. was He was twenty years old so young to do like, wow man Taken too soon face caved in too soon. Also, how do you know where the like exactly where the president is gonna be? That whole thing was so fucking weird man That's you know you have like The secret Svice snipers ever and the guy's just like, I'll climb up on that roof. Yeah, at this thing. And people are like, there's a guy up. You can see people going like, there's a guy up there right now. There's a lot ofa. Well, he didn't have as much secret Service then, right? 'causeuse he was running and there was you know, seecret Service was working for a different administration, but I don't know what they're. They all blamed it on girl secret service. That was a wor I know. They're like, Is that a fucking girl? That's what happened. Everyone was like, oh obviously. I had an next door neighbor. I don't want to mention who was on camera. He lived next door and so the seecret Service were parked out in front as long as One of his close relatives was present. And so I would talk to those guys and gals. They're like really nice people. and I asked them, I'm like You know, how do you deal with your political affiliation versus who you pretend? they just like, it's a job, just like military we talk about it. Like we just we take orders Um, they had a good post. This was a, you know, in Southern California so they liked that post. And they'd rotate in, rotate out and You know, some of them will be a little open about but it was interesting. Secret Service was started as an attempt as a A unit within the government against counterfeit. Yeah, counterfit. That's how start what?. That's they started. counterfitill, secret Service. They still visit you today if you have counterfeitills. Yeah, they handle counterfeit. Did George Floyd get popped? Was he not using counterfeit money? No, at a local level, it's like you got to be counterfeing a lot. at a local level, they can just turn you out. But if you have, if you're like actually producing like you the guy that Gege Floyd bought from Yeahers If you're doing it on a scale that's causing like even like a, you know, a larger economic d to the economy. They use it a lot of in drug like drug sales. It's like you use counterfit bills.'s like, you can't tell the cops, like somebody gave him counterfeits Wow, originally created in eighteen sixty five to fight counterfit currency notot to protect the president. Yeah. I know a guy who did counterfeit bills in high school Is any good They were terrible. Yeah. What does that mean Well, I mean, his his versions of like he was trying to make twenties at the house. Yeah. and like can cray on You know what you know you can bleach. you can bach he got secret is it though. Yeah, I gott to be careful with this because I don't I don't want to reactivate any old web searches. I don't have anything to do with this, but I went to high school with a couple of really smart kids who had some really smart parents who got really smart about making fake ID's. And there's a big business for that in college because a lot of kids go off to college.ike I was seventeen when I first went up right And so turned eighteen my first year, say, you're not buying alcohol. You got get someone to buy it for you And so they were selling fake ID's out of their dorm. It was in the early nineties And they did time, like real time And these were, you know, not hardened criminal kids before going in. turns out that, you know, someone and this is wild. They had this going for a long time. It was great money for them. And someone got pulled over and accidentally handed over a fake ID Ran it, you know, ran it through the system that laddered up and eventually it was an FBI sting and this kid U and his like cohort they did really on the poll like you did. I remember So like the fake ID thing is no joke Yeah because it's counterfeiting. Yeah. I got pulled over at sixteen And I had a fake, like a good fake for the time and that moment where I was like reaching into the wallet And I know that's my fake. and and my reel was here. I had to reach behind and give the and like that moment, you're like Is that super legal illegal super illegal to hand over I think it's f hundred. Yeah. If if it's like whatever it is, you're falsifying documents, yeah, you' get getting a lot of trouble. also have people go buy alcohol and then get in a car accident, there's all this liability. And this's like that the parents who like buy their kids booze they're like, Well, I don't want them You know I'd rather have them drinking at home and they'll give, you know like booste to their kids and their friends. And then a kid drives home and gets into an accident. like parents have done it real time. Yeah. Actually there's we're really going down the trench, but you know, there are a number of instances that are have more yoga matates. good's that? Have more yoga matates go. I keep you fuckkingad. Yeah Yeah Yeah my filter just goes. My GabA level drops at five PM. and people who know me like after five PM, they'll say whatever . They record podcast early in the day I'm on two hours back. I'm still California time. I'm notull Texan. You. You guys dont have to teach me You the Texan thing? There's a whole thing man. Re really? Tike Yeah comination. Yeah. Yeah Yeah. We're gonna go to. Is it more about dropping the California stuff or you add in the Texan stuff? I think you gott to add some Texas. Yeah. Okay yeah. I mean whereere you?ere you California? That was LA. in nineteen years, ye. Okay, so you can teach him the transition. Oh, man, yeah I got Iucking nine millimeter rain to of you and get out of here Yeah. still Cry go ahead I mean, I don't mind guns but I'm not into guns They've got they do kind of scare me. I I like I used to just have my brother's gun for a while and I would like look at it and be like, ary I would be like high in my head increase the probability somebody get shot significantly. Yeah, exactly. I would just be stoned and I like would just be there was like a gun on my tape. and I was like, fuck, that's crazy. I like never touched it. It's a device for killing people. Yeah O thing. Exactly.' scary. No, I believe in the right to bear arms. ere we you were saying about the parents who feed the kids alcohol and get Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of stuff now about Carents doing stuff to, you know, give their kids access to something and then a kid doing something really stupid parents doing real time. Yeah. You know, it's It's a whole different landscape now in terms of Uh like when I was growing up, like every kid in high school, like, you'd end up like drinking on a weekend or a little bit here or there. and back then it was the motherss against drunk driving I think was drunk driving thing. now that apparently there there's a lot less death due to drunk driving because of Uber Kids don't drink as much either That's good. Yeah, it's great. I'm not a big fan of alcohol. Well, yeah, it's also crazy if you're like you gott to think about it if if you like I like drank in high school, college, but if someone had a camera on me at eighteen when I was drunk That's like you can just ruin your whole life. what you say? Any Yeah what you say anything. Yeah. So it's like if you're a kid now, you're like I got to kind of keep it a little tight But then like the THC stuff is way up, right? That's where read the consumption of Yeah. Eedibles are like especially the beverages that have them. someome people can do it. like my whole thing is like people think I'm like anti cannabis or anti alcool. likeike you can have a couple of drinks a week and be fine if you do bunch of things correct. We're talking about That's right. with Kids and with adults. the cannabis thing is tricky becausecause some people can do it and they they're all right other people who have a predisposition of psychosis, like they can end up with some permanent psychosis. People are predispositioned to bipolar. I mean, it's a real thing And it got very political for a while. Like I got attacked for saying this. when being pro cannabis was associated with one political party. Then when the pendulum, you it's interesting that The Trump administration was, I am totally apolitical. like I'll just come out, like I'm a double hater. I don don't like anything that I see. That's a great, I grew up a punk rocker, like buck 'em all. like honestly like' activated version you with conspiracy theories. Yeah. Yeah. double h. I don't about. I'm a double hater. I don't I'm aouble hataterer because I see certain things I like in certain people and what they're doing. and then I see something and I go, you got to be kidding me. And I see that on both sides. So it's very hard for me to reconcile that right? And it's not like music. I can't just be like, all right, well, not for me. Kanye, you know, amazing musician, you know you know, but these other things are a little bit like, I don't know, you know, maybe look into that. But There's the You know, but the cannabis thing has gone from it was a very left associated thing. Yeah to now the Trump administration has been making some serious efforts to, you know legalize Psychedelics like Ibagain, which is not a recreational psychedelic Aed You know, a lot of liberty around substances And then then the left was sort of the news leaning news will kind of print against cannabis, then they'll go back and forth, which just tells me one thing, right? Because the right side does this too, which is that they have no heart, they have no stance. R, R? It's all just algorithmic ping pong. Bow with wind. Yeah. so the reality is some people should use cannabis if they want to, no problem. But I hear from lots in particular moms of guys are in their twenties who including some people who are doing very well in life and now their kids are like in full blown psychotic episodes that won't reverse Jesus. And it's very hard to know who that's going to be Right? But certainly there are people who can use cannabis no problem. Well even if it's not, o, it's caused some long term psychosis problem for me, it's not exactly a performance enhancer. Right Like this happened, I think, in it the seventeen hundreds or the sixteen hundreds when coffee houses first started in yeahiv In Britain. Yeah. And because people used to go and drink ale all day, they're just fucking And wasted. You can't get anything done when you're wasted? Yeah. And then coffee comes along and people like what's all of this fucking productivity I got in front of me? And it's kind of the same. You go, well Cannabis No no one's died from overdosing on THC apart from know getting into a car, you fall down some stairs. There's no road rage from ca Well maybe there's road rage from caffeine, but no one's coming home and like beating up their spouse because they drank too much coffee I could be the first. Dude I gotta show you this video. It seem pretty mel. me No, I have enough, if I have enough my wife'sat. Have you ever seen this video of one you're definitely drinking coffee. Drink driving ban I get drink driving intntroduced in the US. Just no drinks at all. Yeah, so watch thatort bro get out of here' this. Oh yeah driving. restrict drinking and driving here is viewed by some as downright undemocratic. It's kind of getting common this when a fellowa camet up put in a hard day's work, put in eleven, twelve hours a day, and then get your truck and at least runang one or two beers. They're making it laws where you can't drink when you want to. Baby in the k Bab in the when you're driving Are soon going to become this country? Oh yeah Unrail y fucking best I will say if you had worked outside all day for eleven hours, you can drink one beer That's fair One cold beer anywhere. You could get that past here now. Yeah You could. O ice cold beer, O one road dog. But you know excuse me, so that looks like an aian beer you. in the eighties, we would be in in a station wagon in the very back, no seatbelt, just all my single siblings and yeah, like five of us. And then like a semi would come up to here Yeah. And like our parents were never like, this is dangerous. That was just like normal my steatb and When we were little, they would go, everyone another seatbelts on and we'd all go we' laugh becauseuse they were like, I'm not wearing a fucking seatb belt. Of course. Everyone, my whole family held it down likeike wearing a seatbelt was like weak. It's like what are you scared? What are you scared? Wh are you wearing a seat belt? Y Yeah is What you What do you Now I wear How you? forty thirty eight ty year forty seven I know. Full of shit. You're forty seven? We think it was fifty five,? Yeah, it's forty seven, man.. Again, I'm the senior in the house. He That's fucked. I don't know why Im Uh, you look great fucking p. When I shave I look forty. I'm just getting you back ' that one fucking family gathering you sold me out. What happen? No God No, no, yes, no. Tom. Nope, Yes,ope No I'llalk out I'm like legit. I'll wk out of here C. I'll walk out of here I've pretty open today. I like to think That's true.retty loose, little open you're my first matete. your. It's actually my seventh matete. seeventh. That's why you're so spicy right now. A man. A. Oh that's fair. Okay. Jared You ever considered that you might have a drinking problem I don't consider a lot, Chris Well, you drank an entire case of athletic burino last night but they're non alcoholic That's not a problem Sorry, man. 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Yeah, I know Chocko was moody with me the first time that I did an episode with him and someone tweeted about it a couple of weeks after and was like, Hey, you seemed like a little bit off. And He was like yeah, I didn' get lift in at four in the morning It's likeud you should fucking cry. I have to say, you know, there are a number of people on the internet that I don't know and I don't know if how they present as actually who they are. L How Jocko shows up online is exactly No, that's not true. That We spent what four days four days with him three days with him, December On the way back, the final plane ride that we had home There was a little bit of a little bit more looseness. It was like, well yeah buts, but he's just an agro dude He's got a lot of energy. anyyway. So my question is this whole thing about obsession with the nineties, like these posts are like Well this is what it was like then and no one's got phones. And I have to say, even though you know I was born in seventy five and loved the nineties, grateful that I was a teen in the nineties to say the whole thing irritates me a lot that is I never want to be a part of that generation of people that' talking about how great they good old. And these poor kids, like we're like fifteen and sixteen, your kids are younger than that. right? I don't know how young your kids are. You don't even know who your kids are. I'm speaking should for yourself. They're still on Love Island.ight. You abandoned on the bed, turned your life into Love Island. Listen, they contacted me No, no, I'm kiding Yeah. So these kids now, they have to hear about like, o, how great it was, then, it's got to be annoying issue. Of course. It's got to be annoying issue. We should just cut it out. It be the truth, right? It could also be the truth. Like we're going to revert to that. I understand right. So speaking as a Brit who's moved I moved four years ago, right to America. when I think about golden era America And you know when I think about this most when I'm driving down the highway And I see some huge industrial estates, a massive fucking factory that probably makes like pipes or something. there is American flag and a Texan flag that would cover a small house. J just for the sake of it.. And I'm like Like, that's fucking sick. And then that immediately makes me think about Limp Biscuit and WWF and like the Stone coold stunner and like Transformers move. I'm aware that we were bleeding into the thousand but like ninety shit, like cool fucking Technically, you're aillennial, right? Is that right?echnically I mean, you can just you can it can be that like, hey, the nineties was an awes fuckking decade and still just be the person who's like, you don't get it. You guys are doing everything wrong. So there were things that genuinely suck that genuinely suck You didn't have access to things. like all the health stuff now. like you had to work so hard to find like Creatine, it was like You know, you could find cocaine more easily than you could find You used to coe cocaine with creatine,. did would cut cocaine with creatine. Really? It's a cut, yeah. No. swear to again Yeah' be. Oh, that's if you're buing cocaine. if' sell. got I got it. If I bought creatine it wasn' cut cocaine was No, no. wow, that would be a deal That'd be like word exact These games. But you know, like if you want information, you had to like wire somebody money and then do a phone call and then do all it was It was tough. Like it was like I things took more work and it took You know, and things people don't realize it's like, okay, maybe housing costs were lower. But things were also very stratified back then. you know, it was like lifestyles a little rich and famous. There was there was a big gap then too There was just a lot of cool stuff happening at the kind of lower end where you felt like things were really ced. The wholeie indndie music, indndie movies, etcetera. You could do cool shit for not a lot of money and people were building and consuming cool stuff for not a lot of money. Yeah. But I don't believe that it was you know, like It was it was great for what it was, but like now' now. likeike I feel bad for these teens are like, oh my God, what am I supposed to do like ditch my phone twenty four? They're not go like like entertainment because entertainment, what comes out decade to decade, likeike the seventies. was great, music and film. The eighties was trash movies. L most shit movies compared to Rostbusters. Well, you can find good but like if you compare decade to decade, nineties, much better decade for entertainment. So some of that is like, you know, you can find the thing that you are like, I miss that, right? I missed like the what was being put up, music and entertainment, I think for the nineties was like, pretty incredible. Like great a great to rewatch right which bity of life isn't in the same way. And then you I mean you can asso you can be like the nineties and what you're really thinking is like I loved The like I was listening to the vibe of the decade, but it doesn't mean that like everything was f. means that in In twenty years time, people will look back at twenty twenty six And go, dude fucking gold era. Yeahes. Somebody was No. Somebody Asolutely. absolutely becausecause it's happened in every generation before. Yeah. I mean, we'll be, you know Hopefully not seeeniial, but we'll be you'll be marri old. Or dead. Yeah. I mean, dead. I do miss though like, yeah, you'll be a little less. know. I'll be in my seventies. You'll be like an eight ID cigarette. I will. was walking around with fake IDs forty seven. Yeah forty seven I do miss like I remember before smartphones when like if I had like nothing to do, my brain would just go into like I would just daydream and now I'm like, if I stop doing anything, I'm like, pop it right away.'m like there's a I need to look at. It kind of bothers me a little bit. but easy to numb out and get pulled into drama online. That's like the two. I think of it like I literally have to have this visual. actually drew this picture for myself because that's how I like consolidate things I want to do and not do is like I think I get up in the morning and there's like this narrow path And on either side it's just like who Downton No productivity, nothing useful in life And one side is drama, other people's drama.. And the other side is just numbing out. Yeah. And you got to w on the path. You got toa walk this really narrow path. And then it's interesting because the algorithms are very, very good And so you go, all right, well, I've been get it. it's like get on for a second. and it'll be like fight video on X. That's just insane. And they you're like, I don't wantan to see this. You go and it'll be like, cute video. And it'll find your button.. It'll find it It's like a borderline girlfriend, man. She'll figure it out And your's the next thing you know, it's like three hours later and you're like, what happened? It's a cycle You get on the cycle. Do you notice, by the way? becauseuse I think it's especially for people like going to hotels, right? We stay in hundreds of hotels It happ it started like a few years ago where I realized one day I was like, oh I've been in, you know, two hundred hotels this year and I never turned on the TV once. Never. And it used to be, right? You'd get in the hotel and boom. like you'd see what's going on ofden I was like man like a year went by and I'm like I've been in so many and I've never tri 'use you would just pick up your phone and you're just it's just like an ornament now. It's just sits there. If I do never goes on. If I stay in hotels for a weekend and don't look at porn, I feel like I'm a saint I leave I'm like They should literally just like Can you pay for it? likeike they're's just on your phone. I'm saying. Beuse it's like you have you're just isolated in this bunker. you get off stage, you're like, I'm wired. Yeah. you're like, I need to go to bed. I know exactly how I can fall asleep right now. Yeah. And you go like, no, I'm not gonna I'll do it like four percent of the time and I'm just like, man, they're going to canonize me after It's impossible. It sounds like you're open about this with your wife. Otherwise she just knows about it now. I've talked her about it and now I'm off it. I'm off I'm off the pon. But I always ask for her help. How was that? How was the transition off the pon? Dude's way better becausea, you know now I'm I swar to God, once once you're forty, it's like ies you can have like infite boners, You be watching born, even knows now like I need to be ready If I'm fapped out Yeah and the wife got canan I get the big call from I'm like, So now I'm just always, I stay ready at all times. I'm like just let me five bunch No I'm just just that's itud. I'm just kidding I know. I'm gonna try that as well. But not one of the is that one of the life hacks that comedians know that the health experts haven't cottten on too that if you've just done a high stimulation activity that just a before bed is Jun That's that's that's universal now. It's gott to be universal now. I haven't heard that on the Cuban lab podcast. Fat before sleep, is it called a fat nap. Never heard of a fabnap I've never heard. We've been doing this for generations.ide. I mean My daddy was a fapnapper and his daddy before. Well the thing is like every comic, probably every performer, like music or otherwise, but certainly for comedian, like the adrenaline spike you're getting off stage Usually like somebody different people get into something. like there's the guys that go just drink their faces off or do drugs or like eating or go out all night or jerk off like somebody You have this this rush after and it's like, The night's over Like you just like go back. No girlriends or wives on tour. I mean, girlfriend or wife on tour. No really Freudy and slipping your way through this podcast. I have girlfriend. wasressing I said I'ming Yeah, I'm addressing theud. But I'm not live I'm also not live show guy. When I finish a podcast, like a solo episode of my podcast, I want to collapse, man. Can you explain what's happening neurologically, biochemically when the being on stage, high stimulus, a lot of focus, a lot of adrenaline, positive feedback, and then What is that? What's going on? I mean, in a word, arousal, R right? I mean, the catacolpine Nor epinephrine and epinephrine. The catacolomum is this little kit of of chemicals that are made in our brain and body, right? differentiffere ones, different plays, et cetera. We dont have to get into that. but tail is what's released under you know, high arousal situations. Some are scary situations, some are exciting, but when you're a performer and you get that feedback, then yeah, you got a lot of dopeamine Nor epinephrine, epinephrine. So you're alert Y focus broadly speaking, right? The science crowd is getting a little pissed to me for this, but broadly speaking, the dopamine thing is going to want you having like more of whatever you're experiencing, right higher higher threshold, higher threshold, okay? Epinephrine which is adrenaline It makes your body alert And norepinephrine released in the brain and, you know, and this is again, generalizations increases focus for the thing that you're, you know, that you're pursuing, right? So you get off stage and those things are cranked to level eleven. I mean, you could do some long exXle breathing, you could do a sauna but obviously you're out on tour. you want to bring it down a notch and then you got to get in the bus or the plane the next day and go. And so Yeah, and you know, it can be hard to mean man. Look evolution you know hard wired circuits so that the desire to, you know, ride this roller coaster up to this peak and then crash down again, you know, and make sex You know, ideally with somebody else You know, but if apparently c alone, you know, you're trying to find a way to do hable Right. So, you know that's it's that brings you into a so called lower lower arousal parasympathetic state, right? Yeah. And as dopamine goes up, testosterone goes up in women and men And then after orrgasm. Dpamine goes down and a hormone, which is basically a hormone prolactin goes up, and that sets the refractory period during which time you need a higher stimulus thing to get you aroused Coolge effect. Yeah, the coolidge effect. likeike in roooosters, this whole thing if you trade out the hens, then they can continue to copy it over and over again. This to some extent is true in humans. but You know, there they're also I so joked about the toadalfil and that was it was indeed a joke, but there there's some interesting things like if you want to play this game, you can, although I'm not sure I want to encourage your porn habit. No, no. I'm not a porn guy but you were saying like try to turn Like the refractory period, the refractory period can be shortened. Yeah, right by blunting the prolactin response, that can be done with taking something like five p which is a It's related to vitamin B six and it blunts prolactin somewhat. You know, there are drugs, which I don't recommend people take, but these prescription drugs like Kabber Goolen and things like that, which inhibit prolactin. And you know, there are m other communities like like in the like in the gay community, like there's a big use of some of these drugs to have cort kind of marathon sex type. think they'll use stimulants, like meth, right I have a friend who's a former meth addict. He happens to be gay and I was like, well, I don't understand. I've never done meth. but I'm like, what's the deal withh? And he's like, o, the idea is you know, marathon sex, right? And then when people get sober for meth, hopefully. they lose their sex drive for a long time. theseese systems need to be recalibrated. We're talking about extremes with drugs, right? One reason why I'm not one of that is like, all porn is bad, but one reason why I personally am just not a fan of porn is I think You can dial in pretty much a higher and higher threshold thing without really having to do the work of going out and finding a relationship. And I think a lot of younger guys who aren't married, who don't have a relationship, they don't know how to use it kind of judiciously, right Yeah right. And there's no and it never says no to them either. So a lot of issues with porn in the younger younger crowd. So I mean, that's like for as comedians, I feel like your twenties into your thirties is probably the the time of the most consumption. It is like you're alone horn Like you're alone. you're loser. you're a loser. You're You're also in a strange place. L you're you know what I mean? You have this like this isn't my environment. Right? And you and then you throw in the the performing and getting bumped up from that and just being like looking for wanting to fuck you? No. Yeahah, that We' comedians Hello. boys you do the personryal M? Don't give me that Are you kidding me? didn't hear he said. said I love bring up on Andrew's foot down. you call the boys and fire up the meth ppe, man. Yeah, fuck ye. So you're saying if you take the stuff that suppresses prolactin that you can the refractory reffractory period is shortened. Yeah. I want the refractory. That's wantrele you're trying to optimize I' trying to I'm looking for some peace and ease. you know. I want to pass it out. I want to Yeah. so I mean, I don't know. I mean, I think we're it seems like an age old method. I'm guessing, you know, of crankking a calming down. Hey listen, better better, better that better that than taking like a bbituate, rightight? True You know, we talked about the eighties, right? in the seventies and eighties, if you look back, I just just complete this b ri book finly Thank you. It's like seven hundred pages. I apologize in advance. But it's like an encyclopedia to be able to look up like if you want more focus, what stimulants ould you consider? what are you willing to? fullyally took the fucking rails off with this? It was like not just stuff that's white market available. I was like have lawyers read it for whatever concerns you have. I'm like put the disclaimers you need, but I didn't cover peptides and hormones because that's stuff I'm still exploring, but everything I know to be true put in there. I just like, I left it All on the map. That's pretty cool.'s I just all in there and even the introduction, like I get brrutally honest And I No, not bad nes. like there's some people that I wanted to credit and things like that that I've been kind of quiet about. and I just it's all there. Wait, can I ask you because we're talking about like as guys that like we go on the road, we perform and we're like, shit, you know, getting to sleep is a thing. Yeah. What's the most like non prescription drug like best way Is there something to consume a maybe consum or do to do or maybe both. I may boke if you behaviors first, like's just say that I'm not saying this to like protect myself. Like I've been around long enough attacked enough for every little thing that like, you know, I don't tap dance anymore. I would say Okay, you get back to your room. It would be Give yourself a hot shower dude That it was hot the hot shower, right paradoxically is going to lower your core body temperature You need your body temperatures to start dropping and to get to sleep. Okay, which is we can talk about why that happens. but you heat up the outside of your body, then there's this compensatory drop.'s like You have a thermostat in your brain it goes, oh, outside my body' heating up. So then core body temperature starts to drop when you get out to off then I would it seems silly, but when you Dliberately exhale, you slow your heart rate down. You want your heart rate pretty low before bed. but you don't have to have it like really low. It's just in the morning, you want your heart rating and your cortisas all spiking and get into the day, caffeine, exercise and all that stuff. L at your phone if you need to get your sunlight, do all that stuff. in the last hour of your day, whenever that happens to fall long deliberate exhales. Normally we don' normally we passively exhale, but when you deliberately exhale, you slow your heart rate down. It activates a descending branch of your vagus nerve, which goes to your heart. It activates something called respiratory sinus, arhythmia, sounds bad arrhythmia, but it's actually good. It's like the breraak on your heart rate. It's the basis of heart rate variability So just some like Binging that down. If you wanted to take something, You know Nowadays there's so many different sleep supplements, but you know something with magnesium, saffron, some apigenin, which is chamomile extract And that would be the supplement version. You know, okay. So like it sounds like a plug, but like the AGZ supplement kind of combines all those things. That's what I'll drink like half a packet of that are and I get in trouble for this nowadays, but I'm kind of having fun these days because I don't really care anym. So now you just get the real me. I mean, it was always the real me minus the stuff I was like afraid to say. But there's a peptide called pinenelon which is spectacularly good at increasing REM sleep. Okay. I would not take it every night. You got to make sure you're getting real pinelon. I recommend you work with an MD who gets it from a compounding pharmacy, not buying it off the, you know, they say Chinese peptides, but they're from all over the world. unfair to the Chinese byy. Yeah yeah, you know They make it sound like they make other. They make other stuff too. They make other stuff too. And for all we know' great Chinese peptides. I recommend getting your peptides from a reliable source, but pinealon takaking like three nights a week, you'll notice that your RM sleep is spectacularly good Okay If you aren't getting enough deep sleep, which is at the beginning of the night, it is wise to notot have eaten for about two hours before you go to sleep. D I get like twenty minutes a I give so much RM, but I get like thirty minutes of deep sleep. This is interesting. So there's always a trade off. So if you take something to increase the amount of slow wave deep sleep that you get, let's say, and I'm not recommending this because these growth hormones secretedgs, so increase growth hormone, but things like testamarellin serarllin, you'll get a bigger growth hormone surge and you'll get more deep sleep, but you'll get less REM Cannabis smokers get almost no REM almost no RM and then when they come off cannabis, their dreams are why Yeah. So that's a well known kind of rebound effect Pylon would be a more advanced trick and on and on and on. but You know, and then some people like I'm not a Xanax guy, right? But at some level, you know If you are doing all the right behaviors. you're drinking caffeine too close to say you're doing the shower, long exhale breathing, maybe the The supplements either stack together, you take them independently, and figure out what you want and what works for you O you decide to do pine Nalon every once in a while You know, I think you're doing pretty much everything you can do. Yeah Yeah. And at that point You know, hopefully eightight sleep will make a portable version because you know, it's a great thing to cool your bed and all it really does help The problem is there isn't really a good portable version of it. So I keep hoping they'll do that and keep it dark You know, I'm asked Youreug Ily with I dark every. Yeah. And then you're pretty much there You know, What do you think about Tzodone? Trazodone supposedly keeps the architecture of sleep bright, but I mean, these serotonin agonists, I mean the problem with tweaking and sererotonin is you didn't end up with other effects, right? It I think it was originally Design is antidepressant, right? High doses. Yeah Yeah, so u I mean not my go to. there's a prescription drug called Quivivic. which is in a class of drug called the Doras, which works on the Hypocretineorereis like ca. Yeah, it's very expensive, but that seems to improve Rem sleep. Q Q. Very expensive like thirty dollars a pillar. f. I I took a Balssomera last year and it felt like someone had hit me in the back of the head. I don't know what that is. so I want to be careful. same. it's the same category Dorors Yeah. fuck me. It was like someone had come in and just hit me with a hammer. I stopped taking melatonin. because you said it shrinks your balls. I mean, melatonin scare me off. But ag to work on these little Siberian dwarf hamsters and they're seasonal breeders If you give them melatonin, like they're ballstring to the size of a grain or rice. tiny, tiny bit of fast acting melatonin every once in a while. Like when I say tiny amount, I mean like three hundred micrograms. Normally people are taking like one to ten milligrams.. And here's the thing. I say this. And then some people who are alleged sleep scientists S, they are sleep scientists. but they are like, oh, no, ten milligrams is the dose that was used in these studies. L I've run a lot of studies When you're going for an effect, you oftentimes will be like, control group, five milligrams, ten milligrams, right? becausecause some graduate students's life is on the line. There's very few dose response curves of these things done under the same condition So Tiny tiny, tiny amount of melatonin if you're if you're going to do that. Gcha. So it's not and that's not a problem for occasional use. But a lot of people are giving too of it to their kids. Yeah. And then when kids are in the melatonin helps keep puberty at bay And then there's a switch in the patterns of melatonin secretion that it's not the only thing but it correlates with puberty. So by the way, your kids probably are gonna start having hormones, in which case, you're f. ' your kids are already like on your face. Wild. Yeah They're wild. How so I mean, they're just They're amazing kids but they have just, you know, my oldest is like very competitive. How old He's ten. But I mean, he's's like I'm ten. I'making over No for real He's a fourth now. Fourth grader. He's You know, he does cross country, does jiu jitsu, he was in the state finals for cross country. But he you see this thing like with when you realize with kids, you're like, oh, this is just like who you are. You know what I mean? Like you So like this kid, he like he always is like wants to compete at everything at everything. It doesn't matter if it's like We're reading something. I'm gonna read this faster than Michael Jordan. It's he just wants to come to Michael Jordan. He's also super I happen Yeah., I know. Yeah it doesn't happen to me. Jesus Christ. Be the little guy The little guy is like has a comediian's personality, hundred percent He's a complainer. Like comedians complain, thingsings aggravate You hanging around comics, they're not indifferent to things. They have So he's always just like, what's this fucking table doing man? And you're like, what? He's like, it takes up the whole room. I keep running into it. L it's a smaller shit, you know? like I'm like he show up. Yeah, and he curses like that. I'm like, yo. Like you can't be talking. He's like, you fucking say shit all the time. Okay. L he's fired up. And then they're boys. and so they just like they love to break shit, you know? like everything nice that I just have. I just go, I'm just gonna to take this somewhere else. take this to the office because they just break things, you know, and they're just They're just fired up to do that. And so yeah, no, we're still right before puberty. You know that like the ten year old is close, like he's getting on the line. Yeah. They do The funny thing is I like you know Obviously like you tease your kids so like When I have people over for dinner I know it bothers them I'll like, Do you have a girlfriend? And which they both that thing where they're like they don't like girls. Yeah. So like the ten year old go, kind of question is that He goes, I go, what he goes,'s kind of question ten N'm not gonna to date a girl for years. It's a crazy question, man And I'm like, okay And I'll turn to the seven, you're like, do you have a girlfriend? He'll go, fuck you And I'm like, yeo, he goes, fuck you man I a fucking girlfriend and like, Okay. What doess your wife think about all this I mean, she laughs, I don't think she doesn't try to provoke them as much as I do because I think it's think. Who is more like who or is that a thing? Oh, one hundred percent. I mean, the ten year old is her twin. Okay. And the seven year old is like my duplicate. I mean, he's just exactly the same. We react to this like we'll be watching something and like, you know like a The van will like hit a guy on the side of the road. And you know, like in a movie or something, and the seven year old will be like And then she'll be like He's you, you know, he's you. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, Jesus Christ. That's what I was laughing at. Yeah, it's crazy. They're exactly like that. Do you find it easier to discipline one that's more like you L easier to understand or is it throwing your sort of patterns back at yourself? Do you get more triggered by the one that's more like you? Oh, one hundred percent. And also like because I mean I if I start getting loud, he just hes he was like we were throwing the ball and he threw the ball poorly, you know, like to I go, dude, throw it to me. He goes, you got knees, Bnd down, pick it up Okay? And I'm like, Jesus Christ. And then and I'm like I'm like, yeah, I can, you know? like, but the ten year old And he's been like this since he was like five, which is so spooky to me that like if I if he does something, like, you know, He knocked paint over and I go, comeome the fuck on, man. like what the Do He'll be like I'm a kid and you can just be self aware. And I'm like' becoming self aware. And then you're like, I'm a piece of shit. L like immediately you're like, I cannot believe because he's right. He's outfuxed you. Yeah. o, one hundred percent. Do they have phone you have smartphones? No. No they don't have phones. They don't phones. Yeah. And we're not planning on doing that anytime soon. Yeah. ye. no. Personality differences are crazy.' crazy. you're like you go that's all kids. Three and six. Three and six. Yeah, and you're like, all right,'s this is where kids will be like, You have another one. you're like, what happened to you? What is this? And it's just completely It's funny M minine are the opposite. My my oldest is like me. They both they share characteristics. My oldest is like pretty introverted and like low key and the other oness just like her mom or she' like we had a little like, It was like they called it a daddy daughter dinner. we go out, they played music And I'm like, all right, you know, I got to this is my moment. I dance with my kids and my youngest is like, bro I' dcing my friends, get away from me. And she just all night, she's three years old dananceced with her friends. they just Just like life of the party. my oldest was kind of like I'm gonna chill out. This is a little much it was really funny. But yeah, they're polar opposite. It's so weird. Do you watch your swearing around them like Tom watches his they'll get on me for it. They'll go like, that's a bad word, Dad. And then now the youngest one will throw them back at me a little bit. T let h know what Tom say like sounds like they'll pick up some choice. I say hate If we say hate, they're like that's a bad word. I'm like, whereere did you get this from She's like I think it was like their early school. My youngest curses more than like the older one Yeah will curse less. Same. That's how my youngest The younger one will curse more. The youngest my wife told the two kids like, get your asses upstairs and the youngest was like, adults, get your asses upstairs. She's three. And we're like, whoa. I was kind of impressed. I was like actually pretty good.ometim There's a big difference between swearing and swearing at someone Yeah, Yeah for sure. If buind money on something, you're allowed to say dud.. My fundamentally dead. I dropped a thing and one of my kids was like, I like dropped it and I was like She was like, you can say shit dead Thanks, man.. It really does feel like your kids are parenting you more than you're parenting them. they probably. Kids are smarter now. I swear I think kids are way smarter than B back and you were like, I was retard maxing from bothir. I was one hundred percent. I didn't talk to people at all. My kids are like, hi, how are you? How they'll like congratulate people when they have a baby. My three year old are, congrratulate This is a random God She go you. We never told her to do this. She' go and be like, cononggratulations. Thanks. That's good. She doesn't say I'm sorry. fuck. It's wild, dude. It's so Oh man. The fact that they become self aware and they know I'm a kid. It's like, o, no, no, no, no, no. no, you're not supposed to be able to watch the rules of the game. You're supposed to in the Matrix Yeah, exactly. N're supposed be observing them hyperw aware. Yeah. I try to really catch myself on that like This is what I supp was if I'm going back and forth like do this right now and they're like, no, I'll I'll want to be like just do what I say and then they'll come up with a reason. I'll be like that's actually a fair point. You're good, go ahead. That's It's crazy. like the emotional intelligence thing also is always like so The ten year old We were in a setting which someone was like, who do you love the most? And he was like, My mom. And I was like, Yeahah And then later on, he came back and he goes, Hey, I just wanted you to know. that when I said I love mom the most, he goes, I love you just as much. I just spend more time with her. So I feel like that's when I was like, I was like, No, it's okay man. He was like, I just didn't want you to feel like I didn't love you as much. And I was like, it's cool. You're ten. That's like the o fuck me. Yeah, it's Rad. Yeah. I'm an only child, so I was essentially Autistic. I had like autism until age like twenty when I went to university. I'd been in university for two years. And I was like, o okay, I've like integrated with society in this way. I don't know any only children that are normally adapted. not. You just don't have the same amount of social exposure. When you guys can you know, I was going to say you guys compte with yourselves. you know, but, you know, the u nobody you can you know, but um It's true like they kids who grow up alone know how to like integrate with adults in the family and then they go to their room and they do their thing. I suppose nowadays they have iPads and comfortable in solitude and stuff but yeah fuck. I do I remember when I went to Uni, I was eighteen and I didn't know that you were supposed to knock on someone's bedroom door before you went in because I never had to knock on anyone's bedroom door mom and dad always went to bed after me or whatever. and there was like I was never going to fucking like There's no reason to do it. no brothers or sisters. So I was like, I to learn shit. Js not that Yeah, they don't burst into your fucking housemates the union halls of residence. That makes sense, though. You just didn't have it's never been pned. meanwhile, you're ten year old's like giving you counseling advice. He's bringing your emotions back into land after maybe making you feel uncomfortable. I know. it's so unexpected And you're like, who taught you this You know, likeike he wasn't taught and he just a kid's getting smarter? Is that a thing? I don't know. I mean, I know that language learning data show that, you know Kids can literally say words they've never heard before that are accurate to the meaning of the word. They'll construct sentences in novel ways they haven't heard, you know, I mean there's some fundamental units of language in the brain that, you know, different langu different you know all over the world you know kind of hijack the same machinery to construct language. So there's a template for it, right? Maybe if they're getting more there's a guess here. it's conjecture pure conjecture that they're able to access lots of more movies and television shows and your kids aren't online, but you know, they're hearing many more different dialects and things from different people that they're able to come up with novel combinations that we weren't able to access. she had like the car, like the door like un locked thing, the key, or whatever I can't even talk, but she was like I was like, here, I'll show you how to do it. she go at three year olds. She was like, I'm an exper I was like, Wh the fuck you your expert from It was bizarre. And she actually did know how to unlock it properly and I was like, all right, man done. You could just have my money. But this is right Because this is a generation is gonna take care of everybody. I think so, man I'm an expert. She'll be for in a couple of weeks. but she was like, I'm an expert And I was like, that's right. Where' you hear that from It's I swear they' smarter. Yeah. I really think so. The language s thing is spooky. like they start constructing sentences with vocabulary and correctly, you know, like you hear it all the time and you go like He hear that atone. show or something like where you get to? I mean I don't know if these data ever held up. You might have covered this on your podcast in terms of like sibling order and only children, and et cetera. But wasn't it the case that only children in terms of just successful life outcomes, you know, by the sort of like standard metrics that they tend to do better on average. I think so, but that I don't know whher's on average but you'reertainly going to get more outliers. It's just weirder inputs Right? You're going to get more variability in what happens and for some of those it's going to end up with extreme success. and for others it's just going to end up with like fucking trying to shot the president or whate Oh, yeah, it's a fine. There used to be these theies like, you know, you date someone who's an only child and like they need a lot more attention or something. But then you could also say, well, no, but they grew up being able to spend more time alone. So like I don't think any of this stuff really holds Yeah. I know, I ask in seriousness, not just because you're an only child, but because you cover some of this fun you The guy that's done a thousand one hundred podcast episodes needs some attention No Maybe. No, the guy might be true one thousand one podcast episodes and a significant fraction of centered around human dynamics and biology and psychology. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah yeah. I'm actually a fan of your podcast. Thank. Yeah. That's why I make that. We're all fans of each other. I gott to show you this. I learned this thing about this twenty one year old college student in Austin who has made forty three thousand dollars rununning an AI only fans account. Dude, I I just heard I had this meeting where they were talking about how So he's doing like, oh no. Wow. Wait, so that's the dude and that's the that's the guy. And she's the AI version Y selling? Y. So u Okay what is it's a twenty two year old. This is like her avatar, right? So he's using Caed code and fllux and eleven labs. And basically she can chat twenty four hours a day with all of her subscribers. and her top fans paid nearly two thousand dollars in messages, average revenue per fan thirty four dollars And she doesn't sleep, there's nothing to film. no one's typing, Claude Code writes every message, Flux generates every photo and eleven Labs generates her voice. What's the added context is it Only Fans requires verification that includes individuals ID addresses in numerous forms. There is no camera, no girls and no O only fans except for a lop, farming Twitter revenue with a made up story. It's a good story. It's a good. Well, there's there's something that is happening with with because you know with AI is u what what Hollywood is embracing right now is like sets, right? L so in other words They'll bring in the actors for real right now and they'll say like, okay, you guys are acting. We'll put a table in the room But this is going to be in, you know, whatever. It's outdoors, like the tableles in Siberia. So the set is AI, right. What some apparently only fans, performers have been approached is for a payout where they already have a following Like the only fans person has a following. A company goes, we'll pay you X amount of dollars to have your your only fans account for like six months And then the what they're doing is putting the only fans person into an AI situation, having them do wilder things than they actually do, generating a whole crazy amount of revenue. And now That only fans performer is like, yeah, but I didn't do this stuff. You know, so they're like and then you're obliged when you get your account back. Yeah like, Hey, but do you remember what you're doing with your fe for the last six months? Yeah, you were drinking. And now you're just like posing again So they're exploiting the hell out of them with I mean, that's a level of self exploitation to actual exploitation. Yeah, exactly,ight Wow razy But I mean, you can obviously like that was that's nuts too. the video still exists regardless of whether or not the guysy set up the system to thing. L that dude is making that work by master gol over the top of him wearing a pants. Do you think we're close to the point where like you can go on vacation and then just have AI, you know, this this pipeline generate a podcast and no one will know. So like Nebook LM kind of does this already. I've had a couple of conversations with different platforms that are thinking about doing it too that makes me a bit uncomfortable The fucking thing that I'm going through at the moment, which is wild is eleven Labs that go to British voice. So eleven Labs is like the big AI text to speech compomany. Matthew Mconughy is an investor and it's made tons of money. It's absolutely fucking ripped They go to AI British Voiceices me That makes sense. onene thousand percent being trained on me. Well that makes it awesome until people use it as voiceovers for products that I don't endorse. That's when you sue, my friend. Dude, we emailed them. We emailed eleven last. That's not su. A year ago and said, hey, like this is fucking Chris. Like you use Chris's voice. And they said, oh, we've done a Rochman Heisman test And it's come back atzo point three similarity and it needs to be above zero point six five in order to I'm like, dude doesn't eleven. Can you eleven labs poached you or these other people poached? No eleven labs used their archer must have trained this voice on on you Like pull up the essay, the video essay, the M one for. I got someone I'm going to connect you to. I got a friend who's like perhaps the world's best scientists on the neuroscience of speech and language And you're gonna to be able to say, yeah, that's fucking Chris's voice G give him some money. Yeah, because what I't know what criteria they're using your own. I don't know what criteria they're using. Yes, you do. Y name face and likeness and that's your likeness. I don't know what criteria they're using, but there's a way where you look at the envelope of the frequency and you the reason it sounds like you is because they're capturing some overall essence. Now it's true with certain music, like certain songs, right? If you change a couple of chords, then you escape the copyright So this iss essentially what they're doing, right? 's I mean there's ways to address this with them where I'm not saying get legally aggressive. It cost you a lot of money. It costs a lot of time. but you own your voice. J like I can't take a picture of you and just like like tweak something just a little bit and then make a video and have you sell something, you know, I tried that. I got call mail Yeah, but you do you know, Look at this, look at this video essay. It's been over twelve years since the disappearance of fllight MH three seven. this There' massive searches. moreore than two hundred million dollars spent And on march eighth, twenty twenty six, Ocean Infinity officially What did it pay? This is cool search. Their CEO, Oliver Plunkett, essentially admitted what no one in the official investigation wanted to say Maybe the plane simply isn't where we've been looking One man wasn't surprised. What Yeah This is. It's me, Jeff. Is this not supposed to be you? No, it's not me. This is Archer from eleven Labs People think this is Okay People think that this is my secret second channel where I do video ing Yeah ye. Yeah, but if it was, you would be saying this right now. It's not my secret se aviation files. Like this video's good. I watched it. Yeah. I really enjoyed it That's w up. When there's people doing like shilligit ompany ad The fucking we raises FSH a little bit by You should be doing more voiceover work, though, V voiceover is great. Thank you.. It's a shame. I mean should be you could be planet Earth for sure. Infinitely scalable with that. I want to hear you on the Simpsons. Dude. It's very well that one's strange, but then there's another one what people are using it for is ads. So they're putting my voice as the voice overver ads and originally it Like VO with subtitles. this if it's getting in ads, it is worth doing some like at least legal kind of I mean thereentation here. There are a couple of people I can put you in contact with who are absolutely world class at suing the pants out of these companies. This is the advantage. Ging friends with you. Get real money and bankrupting the shit out of them. Now, I don't wan to bankrupt eleven labs. In fact I think they're It's impossible. I think we actually have a relationshipucking eleven labs. Look at this at this, Look at this one. This is fucking insane. watchatch this What if I told you I've found the perfect tool for stay focused Meet the reusable T doist. It's the perfect addition for your setup when you need extt focus or simply want your priorities always inside. He why don't they just change on it? you're the first comment Yeah Do Chris well know that you've stolen his voice and tagged my manager. Yeah fking So But thats over an AI guy that isn't me. and that feels even more fucking pernicious. Yeah yeah. Yeah yeah, I mean, I'm getting. Yeah when there's a voice No, I hear you. likeike we years ago there was this Jawserizer add I remember that was with me talking. it was all I, right? So and people You know, I get enough crap anyway when people were like, o, the jaws are soiz you. I'm like, I'm not so This was all A. You do have a big neck Thats I train my You gott to train your neck guys. Yeah has, train your neck. Do I ear a neck it? No I have a four way neck machine or where I do I like a plate with wrapped in a towel and, you know, that kind of thing. It's your upper spine Its important. I don't have the best posture your Bra I' the wor.' that messing your sle Noice J't Alice Jones said you make D and Alice Jones said you make stabilizes the whole shoulder girl. a lot of guys shoulder shoulder issues. What do you mean you don't own a thick thick neck? You don't want to You have like a fucking like Popp into his thumb for a neck. You don't want You don't want a neck so big that it restricts your breathing. Yeah, well, you know. Alex Jones says if your neck is big enough, you produce DMT in your sleep, which is why he's in connection with interradimensional entities, and that's where he gets a lot of information. So I was just checkkingence behind That might be related to the fact that he owes nearly a billion dollars by's not true. And the last person I want to get into the nextix with is Alex Jones. I don't know him I've seen some things here or there. hisis employees get shot walking up to their house seems like a dude to avoid for the most part. But anyway loveo and light, as they say. So not tulous. Fair enough. I don't know. So the level of neck thickness you can get to where you just stop producing drugs DMT and sleep that'sa he claims his neck so thick he produces DM. that cannot which is real's just it's so funny. It's so funny though. That is funny. You just brag about a thing. you're like, okay, yeah,. He's like random node connector. like in terms ofs just like you the There's this thing in psychosis called clang associations where people are psychotics start to associate the sound of a word, like the phonetics of it with the meaning. So they'll be like, I was out for a walk, talk We should talk, you know, and then they kind of go down these, you know, the brain is broken in some sense. And so they're following these nodes that are not of reality at some level or they're pseudo random or hyper random. And so Kang associations often show up in like the health and wellness thing where these are hard to think about where someone will say, yeah, you know, whereere people do it visually. They'll be like, oh yeah you know, walnuts are really high in this particular fatty acid, It's good for your brain. and it looks like a brain. And that's why it's good for your brain and you go That's a visual claing associated.. That's psychotic. It's like pumerology. No, it's true that the fatty acid and walnuts like might have some brain benefits. It's not like this But it's not it's not in the shape of a brain because of that. So humans love to do these things. There's something called paridelia, which is like people look at clouds and they think, Ohh my God, it looks like a puppy dog or something But some people take that into the world ight? And they can be great artists but they always meet crazy they take that into the world? Well, some people will take that into the world and they'll, you know, they'll see something and they'll go, oh, you know that That window is like a matrix that matches something I had saw before and there's like a this is like a portal to that other thing. and you can't really argue with their logic because they can usually do the simple math of it, but it doesn't it doesn't square with like a functional life. And if you go down and if you hop on their thing, like you're a. Like you're not getting anything done that day, right? Even in psychedelic journeys Like this is what's interesting, I think about some of the real psychedelics, like psilocybin and LSD. There is this weird thing about them, which is It's not Re psychosis There seems to be some some real structure about the unconscious mind revealed in under those drugs. And you know, that's why people always use the guy who developed polymer is chain reaction, which you can use to amplify DNA, which is used for everything from, you know forensics to you know genealogy, all sorts of things, you know, know evaluating embryos, you know, seeing if kids are going to be healthy, all that stuff Supposedly that guy came to the logic of that. on an LSD trip Now he also did a lot of really hardcore science. He knew his math, like he really understood, but there does seem to be some like real court structure of the way that that the world is built and the way that the mind is built that can be revealed you know, with proper support in in psychedelics. peopleeople were just walking around like making these, you know Klang associations. you find them at a low you see a lot, you hear a lot of this in L.A like within the health and wellness thing and people would be like they sort of associate the shape of things with how good they are for you or they'll'll some verbal like a little like they'll think is real. It's a bunch of horssehit. It's like it's not quite psychosis, Mine's kind of like veering. Have you experimented And so Alex Jones, I'm not calling him psychotic. No. like, let's take two things. DMT and neck size and you go like Like it sounds so awesful. Listen, I would be the first person open to it. I would be totally open to it if there was any kind of like high time. Yeah, we've dissected a lot of human bodies over the years, like the medical and science community. like so if there's a basis for it, like I would be totally interested. I think the chakas are really interesting as like conversgent centers for, you know, for nerves and vessels that might have some real basis. So I don't think it's totally cuckoo. but he seems to be really good at like merging themes to create interesting stories. And here we are talking about it. Yeah. haveave you ever seen the website for spurious correlations? No, but that's what this sounds.king unbelievable. So this is basically two things onto a graph. That seems like they're correlated but can't be. I swear the number of films that Nicholas Cage was in and the number of people that die by eating cheese per year is the same. Okay Right. L at. Annual US household spending on alcoholic beverages correlates with the number of septic tank services and sewer pipe cleaners in New Hampshire. this. Exactly. go down, go down. The popularity of the call mee Mbe meme and the kerosene use in Panama s like almost one to one. Wh. Right. L Ggle Google searches for that is Sus and a stock price for this fucking random company The question is were these pulled together at random or did they or did they, you know, they certain were common curve This guy, this Tyleren Tyler Weigen guy. like he literally tries to find things that are just correlated. And this website is filled. There's thousands of them How nerdy Thomas YouTube titles are and the number of movies that Mil La Counis appeared in. Damn yeah. It's fucinly backax sking girross This is so good. so good. ticket sales for the Houston If you showed this to somebody that was psychotic, they would be fucing fling' be Well this is all the sort of stuff in thesepiracy theories. Google search is f. Why do I have green poop and solar power generated in Bulgaria Motor vehicle Johny D. Yeah. number of movies Johny Dppears. There's another P to the Caribbean coming out or Caribbean. Johnny D? I believe so.. I I might have heard that from a very reputableource. Yeahes Johny friends Johnny? I never met him It's going to be a fat check for Johny De You, I think his comeback people are eagerly awing wildack Yeah. I mean, what you reckon he got paid I think he has For the movie for for the new pirates. Yeah. It's going to be 's going to be a a sizable guarantee and he's going to have a massive piece of the backac end because it's not Makeable You can't do it without. Yeah.. So the piece of the back end is going to be what's mean what's piece of the back end? L points He's going to have a percentage probably from maybe if he has the best deal, it's going to be like dollar one gross percentage which is like the moment somebody buys a ticket, he gets a piece of that. and that could be a billion dollar box office thing. So she could be getting I mean, if it's as big as we would anticipate, nine figures for doing a movie.'s like the Jordan That's like come right. Yeah's what come back I wonder if he'll compensate for what he lost got from the trial and then gets from this, whether or not, you know, if you looked financially' Well emotionally. he's also famously a loose spender, you know? So Oh, you never read that article? No. It was fucking amazing, dude. Mind your spending habits? Yeah, yeah, it was a rolling stone article that it was like a twenty page thing about like how he spends and it was I mean, it's just like fascinating because he was He was Bent like he's obviously can at the time, you know, generate crazy income, but he would spend wild. So like if he liked a car he would be like I like this car and I have eight houses. so I want one of each of these cars I had the eight houses. He was spending like thirty or forty grand a month on wine, like every month. It was It was just multiples of everything. And just heard about the wine in the trial. Yeah a meegap pint. Yeah. then I don't know, there was a thing with the business manager. He was like, they're like, you're behind on taxes and payments to us, but then he would like do a movie so then revenue would come in and then, you know, but it was it was Floyd Mayweather. It was it was M Weeathering. It was money It was crazy. It was it was a crazy. All of Depp's reported six hundred fifty million dollars fortune is gone according to Rllingike Tyson levels of accrual and Yeah. fucking serious. There was something nice about that O getting to spend all six hundred fifty million bucks? What's interesting is hang on, hang on, Depp reportedly spent seventy five million dollars on more than a dozen residences, three million dollars to shoot the ashes of his friend Hunter S. Thompson into the ey from Canon. That's pretty gangy. seeven thousand dollars to buy his daughter a couch from the set keeping up the Kardashian. Okay,'s I don't know. That's fucking insane Yeah holy wow. I love it. I mean, it's a it's love it. It's a fun He's living life. Yeah. Also he's been famous since such a young age. It's amazing. he's He's as sane as he is, you know, and I don't know him, and I'm assuming he's sane. But you know, earlier we were talking about ort of like differentiffere it is in an LIQ imagine Ging up where you see yourself on a screen and on the internet, like You know, I didn't see myself on a screen until like forty five years old. Y brains mostly developed, right for better or worse. But like as a kid. ye. L and then you're making money for it and then you're just out there That's wild. No. And he was like that as like nineteen tot. Yeah claim that's kind of what killed Elvis. He was like one of the first people ever to have his image projected pretty much all across the world television. It got to be a m. Elvis they claim that like he was one of the first people to have like a massively popular visual like a doppel gagger, basically. and you have to like watch yourself and billions of people are watching you. they said that kind of just like ranging. Yeah When I saw that movie, I forget what the movie was called about his manager and the whole thing I swear, you know, if there wasn't a better case for Circadian health than that film because, you know, it's like the darkness of the hotel and he's in there all day and like he went, wacko. If you want to make someone, there's this thing called ICU psychosis where people come into the intensive care unit And they're being woken up in the middle of the night and they've got lights on, you know, there's like hospital life, right and they start to become genuinely psychotic They go home the psychosis lifts This is a well known phenomen, because their circadian rhythm is so out of whack. Yeah. If you have enough fractured sleep like that for enough time, like you will lose your mind. What What's the longest someone's ever stayed awake? Do you know? Oh, I forget. someone's like some radio DJ did this in the seventies or something as like a fundraiser course It was like And when maybe we looked this up, but I think it beays or seventies. I mean, eventually you die Right becausecause there's so much inflment. Now we know would be kind of catastrophic levels of inflammation. I mean, during sleep, the whole reset of the body is like tamping down inflammation, coordinating the different organs of your body, like getting them back in check. like, o you're your, you know, your liver and your and your stomach they're working on different timeesales, but they need to be like kind of nudged into place like an orchestra. Oh know. So yeah, things really fall apart here. Randy Gardner, here we go Um eleven days and twenty five The record was set by Randy Gardner, seventeen year old high school student in California as part of a science fair experiment Researchers monitored him throughout and it was eleven days, twenty five minutes, which is two hundred and sixty four hours. Interestingly, after finally sleeping, he recovered surprisingly well with no obvious long term damageord all the time. Well he was young. It definite helps when you're young. Yeah. Uh what's the longest that you guys have ever stayed awake I mean, several days. Really? Yeah, several days. Yeah. I can't Any stimulants besides caffeine No, no. Is it a safe space? Yeah, No, no. Was it at a mh party Now I just I was there was also travel involved. Yeah, you know, and yeah, stayed up and No you see a real just real pushing through Yeah a push through a few times. I had this thing in college where I just started being like One day a week. I'll just stay up all night and work at night. I was going to deliver it fucking sign me cookies. Ill I'll stay up twenty four hours, go to school, then work the other twelve If I say up all night, one night a week, I'll be fine. It just shattered me in like a week and a half and I was like, all right, even three hours It really theseese days I'm so much more sensitive too Yeah. As you get older, you need the regularity. You also get the experience of how much better it feels when you actually Oh my God. Yeah. So why you're less tolerant to fucking with you sleep when you forty five than when you were twenty five. Just global levels of inflammation As you get older, just inflammation increases You know, sort of the amplitude of inflammation on the circadian cycle likeike if it looks like this, when you're you know, young, it starts to look like this. and then you sleep deprivation. I make many this, but like as a sort of like top contour plot, you'd be like, it's really amplified. Th then you're like inflammation. Kind of like cortis all, right. You meanted how this big cort is all peak in the morning and that subsides. That's super healthy That's the healthy pattern, but If you start staying away it starts getting jagged line, you know, and Well how long you stayed awake? A day and a half probably is the most? I've struggled sleep on planes and when I was always like go to Bali and stuff like that bed like overnight and then you arrive there and you're all excited.'re like,, it's the middle of the afterno, fuck it. I'm going gonna drink. I'll go have a party meet friends, do stuff. Probably about day and a half, I guess. Yeah likeike. M maybe maybe Yeah. There's no way I've done forty eight hours. There's no way. Yeah, I can do it one night because you wouldn't ever do forty eight unless you change time zones a lot. Right. You would only ever do thirty six. whatever the fucking next one is. Doing on a plane is tough. I mean, like when you talk to the guys that do buds anduff they they will tell you like they get the opportunity at one point to take like a thirty minute nap S some of them just opt out because it's harder than if you just keep moving. I don't know if that's true. Have you seen a backyard ultras? You you seen this? Oh yeah So this is standing L standing r. So Nick guy doesn't does BPN here. that guy Chad. former CEO guy long red beard. Chad right Did he win? I think he does these last man standing. Okay seeing these? No you know this is He's a legit bad ass. That guy he'll run your ass to death.ically full point O miles. E hour you have to complete, I think it's four miles And there's a loop and by the time that the bell rings for the beginning of the next hour You have to have completed the loop and if not you're out And they just go, until Everyone quits So just how y how far like a sorry yeah, there it is four point one seven miles. or six point seven k till you drop. What's the winner? How many does the winner do? Dude the guy as many as did that bare one. It was like two days. Yeah. He was running for two days. It was's worn't it like hundred some like some crazy amount of mile likeike I think it was two hundred two hundred miles. Yeah, more than more than two hundred. But these guys just fucking They just keep going and then they're grabbing short bits of sleep and And obviously it's a trade off, youre tired. Yeah Yeah a ra. You have like a can take on that. If you completed it in let's say thirty minutes, you have thirty minutes to spend how you want, Right? But then you've just done four miles in thirty minutes, which is more tiring than four miles in forty five minutes. Yes. I think most people it seems like Let' do like forty five minutes ish of movement and then fifteen minutes of recovery and then go again. It seems like The recent backackyard ultra Phil Gore ran one hundred and fourteen laps of the backackyard ultra format, four hundred and seventy five miles home in nearly five straight days And he went to four ninety seven. He ne did five hundred miles Crazy I don't know Yeah, that's some forest sc gumpt shit right. I would do one and then eat and then stop. know. That's a good walk out. Yeah, that'd be nice. Yeah I've never run a marathon. I'm sord attempted, but not really. Are you You think you knowre not built for a marathonude I ran cross country in high school. I was a lot lighter. would half the size. I was probably a one hundred pounds lighter. No, no, no, no, I was about seventy five pounds lighter. Yeah.. Do you do any running? You do some running now. Thanks How old are We already did this I'm saying I'm going to domeric today I do a long slow run which is now far. like in, you know, maybe do like six miles. so you. So I mean I used to do I used to go further like eight or ten when I was lighter, right? I wouldll do a long run. Th then midweek, I do a thirty minute run at a faster clip. And then one day a week, I either get on the airdine bike and you know do some sprint intervals or I'll do some running sprint inter intervals and but you're and I live three days a week, but you're actually like thinking about doing a marathon. Yeah, you know, every once a while, someone be like, Hey, there's a half a marathon in like outside of Aspen, which is beautiful and you can like crest into the town and we could, you know, and I'm like, that sounds kind of cool. thirteen miles seems, you know, like doable. Like Mark Bell He's a big dude. Yeah. I mean, Mark Bell iss denser than dark Matter. Yeah. you know, I'm not talking about your brain, Mark. he's a smart guy. But he has like the highest muscle density ever. It's insane when he moves. like Everything twitches like one of those Belgiian blue buols Yeah. Yeah. And so he's running marathons. Yeah. he's constantly what's crazy is he used to be like highly competitive power lifter and it was like three hundred and twenty pounds and then now hes just shrunk all the way down, but he's still like muscle is I think we raise bench breress a thousand pounds. I'm not kidding. Is that possible? I don't think the bench bench squat thousand did way. Can we look at Mark Bell's best bench? I mean he was genuinely fat too. Yeah, but huge very maybe was seven hundred pounds. I don't know. in any case, it's nuts. He was also doing the snake diet recently. He was real fuck is that? Do you know about this? Yeah. When you just do What is sugar all day long, low protein So there's this weird thing, right? And there are all these crazy theories. I want to just disclaimer. I don't necessarily believe the mechanism. Sure. But there's this idea that when you are low protein and high sugar, you generate this fibroblast growth factor, one of these FGFs that then converts into a bunch of energy. and this is why like kids have tons the theory is this is why kids have tons of energy. And so he was doing this diet of just like fruit and candy and low protein carbs all day and then like a chicken breast at night, and he claimed he got Sper shredad on this had tons of energy. I tried it for half a morning and I'm like, I don want my eggs. I want my bra injury. I'm not doing. He Was he not carnival for a while? Sorry, eight hundred fifty four pounds. I apologize I misspoke. notot a thousand pounds, but not that far. But he's a two thousand two thousand pound total and he's h a thousand pound squat, which is fucking' is a thousand pounds. That makes sense.ob noobbody's b expressing thousand h hang on hang on hang Was he not the fucking carnival guy for a long time. Yeah. And he and his brother were now the sugar maxing guy Basically But he also he got shredded on both diets. Yeah, hekes to experiment with like he lokves to experiment Yeah Yeah he would like great guy. That's great. He and Nim are like a really important corner of the health and fitness world in my opinion. because I do genuinely believe that Nesema is natural. L he's just has like Wild genetics at trends really, really hard and Andondy's black Does that have anything to do with it? He definitely has the builds of a guy that could not be white and natural Like do you know anyone that's white and natural that's built like that Yeah, I mean Nasema iss not white I agree with you on that. Correct. I'm not trying to be politically correct I don't know. I don't know. It hadn't occurred to me that it was that it was related to. I think that's an enhancer when you get to that level of performance. All We have to get Mem on here. I'm not trying to dance I don't know He's he's fucking amazing. But Mark is always doing these experiments. likeike he's into like the David Weck rope flow and he like takes it to the extreme. He does it like every day T about it nonstop. Then he does the snake diet, which is a sugar thing. And extreme competitive kettleball. I love it because he's willing to do this stuff and he's checked off the boxes of like he's really good at the stuff that he his big neck as well, bet he's got little very crazy he's also not selling you a damn thing. Yeah. you know. And so he's just like, you know, we need guys like him You know, And he's very open about his steroid use. He has been for a long time. Hang on, I thought you said he was natural Oh no Niseema. Right, Right, right, right, right. Mart Bell is definitely Mart Bell hasn't been natural since it was whatever Yeah fourourth grade. What's the truth about the marshmallow test? Be I keep on seeing this being debunked and rebunked and then you tweeted about it. Yeah, so this was done at Stanford, right? Everyone's heard about it. put kids in front of a marshmallow. If they can wait, they get a second marshmallow, the kids that could wait Um the original data said that correlate with better life outcomes, better SAT scores, better schools, better income, you know, kids who couldn't wait more incarcerations and. that was the idea. Yeah. Th thoseose data propagated widely and those conclusions propagated widely, I should be not the data. The conclusions propagated widely. Then there was the criticism. Who did the original study? Was it wr? So was that being I think was that beinging nursery school at Stanford or somewhere in Escendido Village, same place that the drawing, incentive, extrinsic motivation stuff was done. In any case Then there was the critique of that which said Well, whether or not these kids weaighted or not depended on how much they trusted the experimenter, which is also true. If the experimenter was someone that they knew and trusted, then they went, well, they probably will bring the second martial Yeahah. But here's what they So I just had a guest on my podcast, which is a guy from Ohio state. He studies self control motivation and he knows this literature better than anybody. And he studies it in his own lab, Dr. Kantaro Fujita Fujita He told me it's the correct pronunciation, excuse me, Japanese. listeners. So Turns out The way the experiment was done is Every kid got a marshmallow in front of them. timer was set for fifteen minutes. Every kid ate the marshmallow Nobody talks about this. No kid waited for the second marshmallow They were able to see how long they were able to wait before they got the second marshmallow. So some kids were like, and the videos are really cute because sometimes the kids would like they have these tags where they're like They're like looking at her, they'd be like, you know they're like like d. every kid at no kid made it fifteen minutes, which is interesting. We never hear that If you look at the data that way, it turns out that even if you factor in the critique You look at the repetition of that study, it turns out that this self controled, delayed gratification thing does seem to hold up over time. You can but you can build it out. you can develop. How old were these kids? I forget maybe were they like five, six I don't know. can we look at go to your kids at fucking N not eating a marshmallow that's in front of them for fifteen. One could definitely do it. The competitive one one hundred percent. Yeah. one hundred percent. Right. He is incredible. Like self discipline and restraint. to him some of the kid wait two days he's waiting three. Oh, dude. Yeah for real. And the other one would be like, o, just immediately. Right. And he'd be like, it's just gone. I don't know where it went. I did I did with my oldest kid. I actually did the marshallow. You're kidd. But I was like, don't eat that ' I was like, if you eat that, you're fucked, just please eat that marshmallow. She was like, all right. you kind of scared the sh her some point no ide to be a lot panges on how long it takes to eat this mfow. You have no idea what's at stake. I mean, I feel like now more than ever childild or adult, so much of life is basically what you decide not to do Like just don't stay on social media too long. Like go there and use it but don't stay on t too long Watch too much porn in your case. You know, common problem. You I feel like you got it in a good place. ber got fininally, finally after years. It was a problem Yeah, it was for me it was like, um It was never like a massive problem, but it just Like there's like an intuitive feeling afterwards where I wouldd just be like It's not what I want to be doing. And then it's like just come on man, you can do this. And then finally, I'm like, all right, I don't want this anymore It just feels bad. It's like the people making them There's no way you're telling me the majority or even close to the majority of the women making porn are having like a nice life. You're like I think you're feeding off like a really sinister thing And for you was it was guilt and shame around how Other people are exploited for your pleasure, ultimately. In squishy forty real boners after the fact. Yeah. that it all congealed and I was like, there you go. That cleure. Butes that was want to hear something really embarrass. want to hear something want to hear something really embarrassing. So I'm not an actor. I've never been in any kind of thing like that. I tried to play when I was a kid, I end up doing crew like like the curtain and stuff like that But recently someone wrote to me and they were like, Hey, you're an episod A one and two of season two of beef And we signed the release form for that. Yeah, so you're in it too? No, because it's we fucking signed the release form for this, right? Right?. But so I go to it cool and they give me the timestamp and I go to it. I thought I got punked Because in both cases, it's a dude jerking off to porn then cleaning up his computer and his hands. And then he goes out for a run listening to my podcast. Oh nice. So this is about dopamine. So this is how this guy gets over the guilt of masturbation. listen to my voice. So I was like, you know, I was all excited. I was gonna like send it to my mom. I was send to my sister. and I say this thing and I was like All right, and then I asked my team momm like, did we approve this? And they're like, yeah, we approved it. I'm like, yeah, you approved it. Yeah. But anyway, was interesting. One of the clip One of the clips from our episode. Awesome. So Rob I think. Your manager, Rob and us were like, yeah, sure, we'll sign it off and you don't know about it.ice. And this is why you have male friends. Eactly Way to go.. Yeah did. This kind of you finish and you're like, this isn't what I need to be doing. Eespecially once you have kids, then you're like, dude, I really can do this in my house. If you get busted by a kid, it's over. You don't really want. And it happened. And you don't want them knowing you did this. So it's great that you're talking about this on the internet. Hey, man. I never even thought about this. fact that all of your fear as a kid was being walked in on by your muma and dad, but all of your fear is a p parent is being walked in on by your kids a thousand. Oh my go. interesting The trauma gets so much deeper. Way worse Yeah, it'd be horrible So that was the one I was like, That's a good. No more. You're gonna make a great parent. Yeah. So yeah you will make a great parent. I can't wait to be a d. You make a great parent. What about, okay? the other thing that I've kept on thinking about I've never asked you Snscream. Mm Is it killing us or not? It's not killing us. Is it bad for shouldhould we I mean bed D in layers again, right? C couple of things to know S Yeah. I won't do those. rabb holes fucking. this is like Alexhit You need sunlight Not just for vitamin D. You want sunlight on your skin as much as possible in terms of days of your life that you can get it. That doesn't mean as much sunlight as possible. Why? UV light, right? short wavelength light. can damage the DNA in your skin cells. Yes, it can cause problems You need a lot of it. So in order for that to happen. Here's the interesting thing. the UV index is low when the sun is low in the sky, veryery easy to remember. So early day and later day, UV index is low How do you know it's low? We can look on an app, you can Google it or whatever, chat GPT it. If you can look at the sun and it's not painful to look at Typically, that's because the sun is lower in the sky. There's something called ray scattering and a lot of the UV gets filtered out Okay. Aain some sunlight In your eyes, as everyone's heard me say a million times before, but also on your skin in the early part of the day. and if you can in the later part of the day, great. In the middle of the day, the UV index is very high So if you have pale skin that can burn easily, you want to be careful how much exposure you get at that time. sunscreen. Okay, excuse me. Shielding from the sun can be accomplished by physical barrier. Yeah, rightight But there's stuff in the sun that's not sure what wavelength light, which is the reds and the ultraviolet and the ne you know, near infrared stuff, excuse me Also wavelengths of light. this is my area so we don't you know, keep it and fuck it. You know, We make mistakes sometimes. I've made mistakes before God forbid, I wouldn't just speak All right There are longer wavelengths of light in the sun. so The yellows, the oranges, the reds, the near infrared and the infrared, which you can't see, that's the heat from the sun And that stuff is really important for the mitochondria of your cells. and it actually can go through your body. This was demonstrated by my friend Glenn Jeffrey from University College, London. Even if you have a t shirt, that's the good stuff. Think of this like the high quality protein of sunlight. So you want that long wavelength light present in LEDs Okay It's present in some incandescent bulbs. It's present in candlelight and firelight. It's present in sunlight. So you want that stuff. So you don't w want to completely shield yourself from the sun, but if you're wearing a light t shirt like that or like that or like that, some of that's going to get through and into your body. But if you know, if it's appropriate for where you're at, you take off your shirt and get more of your skin, that's great to do as long as you don't burn Sunscreen typically blocks the UV, okay? And there's sunscreen and sun bllock and it gets kind of nuanced, but if you are worried about the endocrine disruptors, or you're worried about the coral reefs, right and the disruption to the oceans that are caused by sunscreens. if you're swimming in the ocean, It's very simple. just use a minineral based sunscreen, mineral only. so zinc oxide only. Now a lot of people in particular, women don't like it because it doesn't tend to rub in as well, but there's some versions that do and That works just fine But this idea that you need to completely shield from the sun all the time, except for people who have like genetic abnormalities that require that, it's complete bullshit. What about the endocrine disruptors? That true? Well, those are mostly in the chemical based sunscreens, right? That's what everyone's using. Th hugeay ones, the benzene based ones, those are very problematic. Could you use them once in a while and it's not a problem? Sure, but if your kids are at the pool all day and you're game. I mean, kids sk young skin is also much more absorbent than older skin. So the simple takeaway is, try not to get burned. Get some sunlight on your skin as much as you can each day. doesn't mean you have to get completely naked. You know you can you know, thin clothing can do it, but that longer wavelength light is the red light best red light therapy in the world. And then ultimately it's the balance between the longer wavelengths and the shorter wavelengths And that gets into a discussion about like O LED lights bad Well, they're not really bad, but they're really blue shifted And they're really short wavelength shifted. And it's not just about disrupting your circadian rhythm. If you're going to be indoors a lot, you want to try and get more of that long wavelength light. You could get it from red light therapy. you could get it from using incandescent bulbs. and you can best thing would be get sunlight. on you. and That whole thing around LEDs may be causing problems for mitochondria, which is what the short wavelength light can do, independent of the effects on sleep was considered kind of crazy quack science until Glen Jeffrey's lab started looking at this And Nature magazine, which is a legitimate scientific publication. They've been around more than, you know one hundred and something years. serious science only, although there' some you some horship papers are published there, but usually gets corrected over time They They published a review recently which said, yeah like yeah, you can see what you want is that balanced spectrum of long wavelength, medium wavelength and short wvelength light, but not getting burned. And the best source of that is this thing that we call the Sun And if you really want to enhance the effect, you get outside where there's a lot of greenery because some of that infrared light actually reflects off the greenery. So this whole thing of spending time outside and in nature. great. And even on overcast days, some of that comes through Forgive the long kind of thing. And yes, I said, UV on the long w. It's a short wavelength light and, you know you want to you want to hear a cool sun fact? I just I just researched the sun the other day I did. I had Shane left. So I had to do a podcast like, I'll just do oututer space. and I just talked about outer space. the So the hydrogen fusion, whatever that happens in the suun's core, that release that releases gamma rays, which if they went through, they'll just like literally sever your DNA, they'll kill you bounce around in the sun's core, that original light that's, you know, originated in that reaction bounces around the core for like seventeen thousand to one hundred thousand years in the corps. thenen it gets to the surface and shoots out in like eight seconds. no one knows like what's going on in there, But if it didn't do it, we would just die. You just get drowned in gamma rays and just be dead. If you ever wanted to It's amazing. If you ever want to just trip out, you just look at wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation and sources and damage. L x rays are damaging. We know this, right. You don't want too many of them. Microwaves, right? you move heat things up from the inside basically. and it's really cool just kind of think about this. And then people go, oh, like you know is Bluetooth bad? I actually use corded headphones because I lose the stupid air roods Microwaves. Do you stand in front the microwave when it's going down? Yeah. Iing. We're completely relying on the shield. Yeah. the littleal see through piece of Yeah Yeah. We have a lot of trust. The other thing that we completely trust. I always trip out on this stuff is like when the elevator door is closing. Yeah. and it's gonna go up or down and that door is like huge and people go to let somebody on. Think about it if it didn't stop. I know. And youre just like ripped in happalf. But we trust it. We trust it. Yeah. We just trust it I always get kind of like I always had a kind of a like spooked out the microwave going Like, you know what I mean? Like even like I just always s off to the side' scared out to one side. If you ever seen people that have You' got fears of escalators trying to get on? Oh yeah The videos of that. Yeah. Yeah. And they're like just terrified of the fact that it and it's moving it, you know Some people get really scared. two wants three miles not. No even one that's going up Like a travelator, you know, at the airport And like holding on to the s. sometometimes it's an entire family. It's an entire family and's queue of people behind them like to fucking escalate. I was at the airport and there was like a mom and she was there and her she had like a little kid that was like three or four. and the mom got on with all of her luggage and it was this big, you know, tall, steep escalator. and she started going down. She turned around, her kid was like, yeah, right, I'm not going down And I looked at her and I was like, put this kid on here. she was just like, Yeahah, she didn't speak English.t just give it up. Just grab the kid It was like, come on, man, get on there, just send him down to his mom Yeah, it was she was like, Oh no, how am I to get back up there? When she need to run up and she had to going into big suitases. she couldn't shen't been an American gllad Yeah. Yeah.es My my travel days are like rocking days. I got thisag I carry with all my supplements, you know, like weighed down and then if there's a big staircase, I swear I'm the only person ever take the staircase. You feel powerful on it. I just like getting the work and. I don't like it arriving in, you know, sweaty But, you know, it's, you know there's someays shower. That is the workload equivalent of you not fapping over a weekend when you were in a hotel, you're like, I did the hard thing Iike did the hard version of this. I'll do the sts too. I'll grab my suitcase and be like pussies goad the sts. It's Re hard. Yeah, but then you're in your room jagging off ten minutes later. I' got places to be. Yeah. my teeth. I'm just kiding. I'm not giving you hard job. No, dude. I appreciate your vulnerability and your openness about this, you know. Thank you Yeah man. you knowys I appreciate you all. Thank you join me.om your thing. Oh, that's a fal wor Your thing came out your thing came out yesterday. Yeah Yes. bad thoughtoughts season two was on Netflix? Yes,' on Netflix. It was Is there a lot of poop in this one dude? No there's no poop. Oh, thank goodness. Do you have a problem with the poop? I'm not so comfortable with the poop. It was It was a bold choice. It was the first episode of the season to G with poop. You know, we learned, we changed. There's a whole bunch of different stories. They're all super fucked up again. But yeah, Scarars Brooks, Chobubin was one too. No we're done with him. And p. We have new targets and new fucked up stories, but yeah, it was a blast to make. and yeah I'm super excited about it. It's streaming on Netfix. please out Out now. now. Mt are you on tour Yeah, I I have my actually this weekend I don't know when this is coming out, but I'll be in Toronto, Friday and the fifteenth and then sixteent, I'll be in Chicago. know. And then you've got a book that comes out. Book prrotocols, user manual for the human brain and body and it's out for pre sale. It comes out in September finally. And yeah, you know, I always say Nothing cures insomnia, you know, this book will do it. So I'm gonna go rub one out right now Yeah. St on. Thanks for hosting. toee you every..ee you next time I get asked all the time for book suggestions. People want to get into reading fiction or nonfiction or real life stories And that's why I made a list of one hundred of the most interesting and impactful books that I've ever