The Future of Live Experiences

Maybe you are quite patisent pilled F in your room? listen I read the twelve Rules for Lifebook. Did you really? I found it helpful. Did you really when I was like twenty two And I'm you an exx Jordan people? I'm so embarrassed I'm so like spiritually like I don't know, something about me and my audience would hate the fact that I really find Jordan Peterson very helpful and made my girlfriend watch it when I was twenty two You're like, look at this guy Kathine Humans' an idiot, isn't Terrible I'm so embarrassed by all of that, but like He was like helpful and informative and I think it was like sel it was self help really that like twelve rules for lifeife book and I needed that I needed someone to go fucking Come on man. G grow up,ayers said the other Do you think that your audience would guess that you were a previous Jordan Peterson stan M someome of them, some of them, I think won't be We're like, we wouldn't be like or like maybe they'd be surprised But I think that's where I like to like I try to be honest about that stuff and I like I would like I would like to hear someone be like, Ohh yeah, I find that helpful. And then I went a bit crazy. You know? so I tried to be like open about that I was like I'm still a dumb idiot guy. This is the problem I write? like like narrative, thoughtful thematic stand up shows But I'm a fucking idiot, like you know what I mean? So This hard You got spiked. I got spiked in Nash listen allegedly, I don't know They were like, we could do a toxicology report on you, but it costs like thousand dollars and I was like Just give me whatever stops me vomiting right now and I'll be okay. but I thought it was like, I thought it was just like a really unjust hangover. I was in Nashville. I did a show, I went for a couple drinks afterwards and a game of pool. And I was like, yeah, I had a couple drinks And then I remember like getting back to the or like My friend gaveing me a lift back to the hotel. and me being like, I am trollied right now. Like when did that happen And then started playing him like Mongolian throat singing on Spotify, which is like that I don't know if that's a symptom of Spiked by Mongolian. Yeah, maybe Mol. Maybe Mongolian spiked me. Em, but then don't remember lots of patches of the evening and I don't remember getting into the hotel room and like going to bed or whatever. And when I woke up, my phone was like in the bathroom, not plugged in and like all my shit was like all over the hotel room And I woke up and I just thought it was like a really You know, when you get a bad hangover but you don't think you deserve it You're like, I didn' I wasn't This is unjust. Exactly. It was like, this is not karmically balanced right now. So got up And then I like vomited. I was like, Godh, that was pretty bad Th is yet also pretty bad And then I was like, come on, you just gott to get your shit together.ike I went I went f jin beaters and I was like, I just gotta tiny my room And I'll be okay. And then I vomited like once every thirty minutes for like the whole more until I checked out and then I checked out of the hotel and had to go to the Tilet in the lobby and throw up there And I was like, this is not This is no hangover I've experienced and I've drank a lot in the past. and So guy this guy in who was like filming the show and stuff He was like still in time and he was like, So I want me to take it like an IV clinic? And I was like, this is the most like Americanans said a all time of like go to some weird like spa where they just hook you in a way of sage at you do a sound bowl And then they were closed So we were like, oh shit So we add to urgent care Wh I don't really know what that is. Like I don't know the American healthcare system is like Weird. It's not the emergency room. But it's like a step It's a off A and But it's also beside a burger restaurant This It's countes fuck countries this is where there should be like a barbershop or like You know But there's a healthcare facility So I walked in And I think because I was just being like Polite to the woman behind the desk I was like, Oh hi, blahahah. She thought you were minimizing how serious it was. She just thought I was like, kind of fine And I like signed in and like just did like persistent vomiting. was like my symptom on the thing. And then so I was sat there and like people kept getting called in before me and then att one point that I was like, oh, I'm getting that feeling where I'm gonna like Throw up again. I was like texting my momum at the time And her actual advice was throw up in the lobbing ' then they'll escalate. They'll see you like. which is like crazy mom advice of like just rob on the floor It's prettyty effective. And I didn't do that, but it mainly because the bathroom was like right beside the reception desk. It's pretty egregious if the bathroom is within sight. Exactly to just go B H So where IP pass. Yeah. So I went into the bathroom and made a bit of a hollow blay out of it to the point where I was like, okay, they can definitely hear. Oh you hamed it up. I didn't ham it up. I just am a loud vomiter Okay It's naturally allowed vice. I'm screaming. Really? The whole time I think I'm quite a shy vomiter. Oh really? Yeah. I li I don't wantanna make a fuss. I you don't wanna make a I'm making up a fuz. I'm kicking up a fuzz if I'm thring up. I'm just I hate it so much. So I sort of walk out, I'd stick my head out the door, like finish vomiting. like nothing. There's nothing inside me, but it's just like, you know the horrible yellow like bile awful stuff. So I stick my head out and go I like I keep vomiting and they werere like They were like, Yeahah, we heurard This like, I'm really sorry they were like someone's coming to see you It' like, okay k. So I went in and they checked my blood pressure and whatever and did the basics And they were like, okay, what's happened? I was like, thisisten had a few drinks last night, but this feels crazy I've thrown up like seven times today And I have nothing left to thr out, but it keeps happening And're like, okay, it feels like you probably had something slipp in your drinks. Uh It's very common in Nashville in like particularly like certain areas of Nashville And I was like, that's a crazy thing def find yourselves ood Bye But like apparently it happens like all the time and they were like wereere you like looking after or And I was like, No, I was farting around. I was just walking around, taking pictures doing, whatever When my drink we just sat there and they were like, ye And they're like were you hang around any like weird people? And I was like, No, I sort of knew people and you know, people I'd worked with. And they were like, okay, that's of weir And I was like, and then I did start playing pool. and then these like real sort of like Rdneck guys challenged. they were like, we'll play you for the table. And I was like, yeah 'Cause I'm not quite good at Boo just absolutely tore these guys a. And they got quite like aggro At one point where my body was like, you you should k it on the pool thing. You beat them so badly that you knew he started a f. I just thinkcause I was like in a fun goofy Like I just done on my show in Nashville. I was happening to I was like laughing when stuff went in and L, you know And then this guy came up and was like, you okay? And I was like, Yeah. And he was like, all right just fucking Like this red neck and I was like, okay, whatever, bl blah blah. So you're not saying you were showboating. Yeah, maybe right. And I don't look, I'm not saying those guys definitely spiike my drink But if I had to If I was a batting man My money's on Jimbo. which was his actual name. shout out to Jimbo and his wife Peta. Jimbo and his like really frightening looking wife actually, she was really she from the moment I was like, yeah, let's play for it. She was like really angry about it. I don't know what was going on. So that's the working theory and I I've eaten like one sandwich and Thpoons of porridge in the last like day and a half. I could collapse at any moment. But they stabed, they injected my ass with like an anti vomiting drug and I was like, this is nice sick This is nice two hundred dollars as well. that didn't fuck me up. I was expecting like American healthcare to get like Re like cost shillows. And two hundred dollars is crazy for like one injection or whatever. but like Certainly I stopped vomiting and I made my flight to Austin, which was delayed by two hours, which I actually think was good I got is this bad? I got assistance through the airport of who I just like typed into the out that I needed a wheelchair You got wheeled through the airport. You're kidding me. I was like, I can't stand not for that oneent. You got wheeled through Nashilleirport. They don't ask what's wrong I think I said like ankle injury Beause I likeed like a month ago, I was getting wheeled to airports because the mangleh They don't ask I know this is so bad, like, but Is it a life hack Well just click the button. You don't need to what did you click it one? I don't think're allowed to ask. I don't think they're allowed to be like all disabilities are visible. that kind of thing. I'm autistic, sunflower lanyyard I don't know It crazy. And I felt like a little bit bad for the person like pushing me through the airport, but I truly think I would have collapsed if like ceued for security and all that shit, which feels valid. I didn't tell them then I was like times we had been poisoned by a ratneck and like Right, you know, because I don't think they would let me on the flight. That's why I said ankle injury inase you were infectious or something. I think bl everywhere. Or like I think insurance, I think if they are if I'd walked inem me like I think I've been drugged. I don't know with what. I can't stop vomiting I think they would have been like you might like die on the flight so like I think like airlines, their insurance That's going to be an inconvenience for us. I think that'll be a lot of paperwork If I died on the flight And Yeah, got wheeled through Gacha It's like It actually sounds like you had a nice time I wouldn't say that n' I was in Nashville Airport crying on the phone to my mom because I kept shaking . I spent too much time practic in pool I've been cursed with my ability to beat a redneck. I'm Icarus of the pool world. You flew too close to the black. That sounds It' crazy. that's what Jimboo said to me. Yeah. So that's crazy. so I know I'm in we're in Austin. It's my first North American tour. I'm in the States for the whole month And the whole thing was like, gu, it's pretty like, you know, in the state it's pretty much by myself for the whole month This is like St stressful, but I'm going to be on top of it And I am now not going to drink for the rest of tomorrow Have you been on top of it up until getting poisoned I had a crazy one and this is going to become a standu routine, but like No The problem with the sana routine at the minute is nobody believes that it happened went to LA first. that was good fun, a terrible city It notorry is any S Sister Rhodes. It's roads with occasional things. like I know that is what I said is, but it's not It's got nothing tying it together. And then went to New York and my girlfriend came met me in New York and we were like, let's do some like T Tble shit. Thirsty things. that's got bagel. let's do whatever. And it was the day after I landed in New York Uh, we were walking around we got a bigo And then we went to the nine eleven Mmorial and we were like, it was just nearby and we were like, that's pretty like, you know, important to see And I this is the bit that people don't believe in audiences. I I shit myself at the nine and eleven Memorial I turned my glfriend and was like, o no And she was like, yeah, it's suicad When I was like If it was I've shiit my full pants. It was like a short, it was like pretty small, but Non grant So this trip so far has actually been defined by your bowels. I don't think food in this country is good for you It's not food. It's not food. It's not really food. I tried to get like a super plain sandwich at the airport in Nashville. and it's like, this bread isn't bread, this turkey isn't turkey None of this is food no It's like something that's something that American people, I think are missing out on advanced country, military technology, AI, all this stuff Sandridge technology just has not crossed over from the UK. When you think about, they don't understand what the meal deal is. it's a gorgeous institution. Dude, you know, I found this out because Newtonicss in the Sainsbury's meal deal now. congratulations. Thank you very much. That's kind of a little bit like being nighted. it's getting an OBE or an MBE or something. It's not quite a nighthood yet. Anyway Average British citizen has seventy meal deals a year. That's that is low. That is in my opinion, that is low. I know, but that's the average. Thats There's going to be something happen. People from home that' never going to to see a meal deal or whatever.. The fact that you can't get I don't even know how to describe the Institution This kindy almost quasi religion that is the meal deal in the UK to Americans. Three pound fifty. used to be three pounds And you get like, so it's a main, aide and a drink. thoseose categories are like slightly Bartlet's got his huel in the main section somehow. so you can get two drinks Well, Bartler would, of course argue that it's not a drink, it's a mele But u You know It does have lead in it. so That's fine. So you need like mostly sandwiches, wraps like sushi if you're a fancy of salads. Yeah, but it's just pasta There's no vegetables in. It's pasta mayonnaise, chicken and bacon and they got the chicken and bacon pasta salad. Yeah, with no salad in no vegetables at all.. It's the sandwiches there's a big difference. The sandwich is the big difference here Yeah. whereere you've got bread that's made from bread and you've got to cut diagonally as well. And I think When it comes to sandwiches increase in the tastiness of a sandwich by cutting it corner to corner. W Instant what? fifteen percent maybe improvement in the taste of the sandwich, I think. But what is the possible rationale for that We' a mechanisically working Is that what you? I completely agree, but I don't understand. I'm going to give you I'm going to give you piece of toast But well buttered warm toast. done nicely. sort of a six out of ten six and a half out of ten toastiness there it is,' just normal pce and you're like. It was nice. It was nice piece of toast. and now I Cut it like that and give it to you. That's a treat That's a real trreat. somebody's looking after you. It's the attention to detail. I think it's more difficult to cut something diagonally than it is to do that. evenven though it's definitely like a machine that does that. Eeman style This is superior sandwich technology. But then Ireland is a step above the UK for sandwiches. Every shop has a de en couounter where they will make you a sandwich MakeQy with hundredage in front the doesn'omise Bagghette like proper bread Chicken fillet roll is like the big thing and in our chicken fillet roll You mean the fillet of a chick Like it's like a chicken like breaded chicken. right Oh, okay like a lot like Gougeons thing. Yeah in a role in like a baguette And then you can get like anything you want on it And it's like every Centra, every spa Like how's a Dally counter where they do cheick and fellllow rolls That's amazing. And they don't have it. Maybe Ireland has superior s. Ireland's top of the Sandridich tree. you think? I would say, yeah I'm sure like Philadelphia would like be annoyed with me, but for that like ch New York might not be too happy either, but The other thing that I miss is srene Oh, that weir, I've never had that. I think we have an equivalent in Belfast, which is called Veda P a maltf. 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That's one dollar a day to stop guessing with your health and start knowing. And right now you can get twenty five dollars off, bringing it down to do three hundred and forty bucks. So get the exact same blood panels that I do and save twenty five dollars by going to the link in the description below or heading to functionhealth d. com slash modern wisdom using the code modern wisdom A check out You mentioned before autism, adult autism diagnosis? Yeah twenty nine F Yeah. What's changed since that happened anything? I don't know. A lot of people who get the diagnosis are like, and everything suddenly made sense and I could manage my life and I could you know get over these obstacles that I'd always struggled with. But I think it's like for me, it felt like an extremely gradual process where like There was It starts with like jokes, like your friends just call you autistic, basically. and then I sort of socially bumped into a lot of people like in a negative way, just got some things wrong to the but then Like I would have an interaction with somebody. that I thought was like positive And then I would get like a big message the next day saying how much I'd like insulted them. I stepped over some social fauxas that you didn't see. like I was just like, what a nice chat And then the next day they're like, you make me feel like shit every time we talk. and those are just the people who are like Were prepared reach out. Exactly. So I must be doing this all the fucuckking time. I'm saying there's a wake of destruction. Wake of autistic destruction. I mean, there may well be and I just have comple completely oblivious. bllissfully unaware. Completely no idea. It's definitely not blissful. It's unaware. I think this is a misconception about autism that it's like blissful lack of awareness of floating through life socially It's that I am constantly so worried that I've upset people, but I have no way to tell. If that's the case whatsoever. So you're just like swinging punches with a blindfold on like apologizing when you didn't need to apologize and like you're missing the mark on both sides. I'm fucking it I'm fucking it in both directions. I'm apologizing when I had no need to apologize. I'm patting myself on the back when I've ruined somebody's day and not I sort of that made me reach out to a medical professional and go There something There's something going on here alsoso I was like a very strange child. I was very anxious I like H had loads of panic attacks when I was like nine, ten, eleven years old Um Ran away from school and like tried to run home and was like just couldn't to be had to do lessons in like a different room to everybody else, just do worksheets by myself, hadad to go in through a different entry to primary school, like different door because I just couldn't deal with like the crowds of people and all this stuff. and I punched my primary school principal h because I was trying to run away and she and she was trying to stop me running away. How old were you Nine What point does a punch become a punch Like a what age? Yeah. It's like yeah, it's like a puppy likeip like biting your ankle or whatever. It's like, oh that's c up until the point. Yeah. and then it's actually salt. I would say like probably the cutoff is like or eleven. Yeah, you just nipped in. Yeah. justust before. You're like inverse Russell brand. But then like full Can we dig into that? Can we pick that apart? I inverse Russell Brand? Yeah, because Russell flew very close to the sun but on the legal side And you turn on true true U Okay,es. You know what I mean? So there was an age cutoff that was about to happen and you got in just before it Yes And there was an aggeent cutoff that was about to happen and Russell got in just after it. Okay. Inverse Russell Brand. So I was like barely legal B It's a bly legal punch. Yeah. That was amazing what you were. So there's all that and it sort of added up to me reaching out to doctor just like my local GP and at London And they werere like, yeah, this sounds worth investigating. Let's do like a phone call And I had a phone call with like the specialist on the NHS And they're like, great, we'll add you to the list the waiting list for the assessment And I was like, okay, how long does that normally take and they were like, Four years And I was like, okay. And then I sort of had a bit about it in my last tour show And as I was going around and touring I discovered along with my audience that I had a lot of autistic people attending my shows and a lot of autism practitioners attending my shows So I got five offers across the tour of people to do the assessment for free privately. because they were just at the show and they were like, o, that's my job. and I can just You know, rather than it costing like two grand to do it I'll just do it for you. So I did the one that was closest to London went through the whole process. you have like four or five different appointments, you have to fill out forms. My girlfriend and my mom had to fill out forms. character reference. Yeah, just like from your perspective, what does this look like from your perspective, what does this look like? and then from like my own perspective, what does that look like Um And it came back and they were like, You're like a little bit raised in lots of these things, like the traits. But then like incredibly high on masking. So basically pretending you don't have autism U which basically sort of explains why these aren't has raised his The managed to mask the test. I mean, basically and apparently this is like it's a similar reason why like women, it's much harder to diagnose autism because they're much more concerned with like dynamics where they're much more adept at masking and they're told to mask a bit more or expected to mask a bit more societally. So I think I have like girl autism. which is like quQuite exciting I also think it's like a comedian thing where mask professionally. Like the job is say something youve said a million times as if it's the first time you said it. But that's also like being autistic in the world. is like somebody ased me this question, I know what I'm going to say because I'm not conversing intuitively, I'm doing a little script that I'm following that I've learned is how people like to be interacted with So I've like That's what stand upp is. So I think I'm like just a Touring masker Which is quite I think that's why the most But a global massacre as well across the rest of your life Yeah, I think so. And then that's a weird feeling to sort of like what does it mean to unmask likeike, I don't want to be rude to people. I think some people get diagnosed and then decide that they can just like Three wheel an asssle. Be a decade And I don't want to do that But I do hope that like maybe the diagnosis and me being like public about the diagnosis means that if I do Fuck up socially then people like be as upset. notot for my b. I got this autism card here you're not allowed to be mean to me. But not even for me. I'm just like Please don't take any of this personally I tryve. I won't have meant that likeike, you know, because I I hate upsetting people like a smiley's favorite thing. It is an interesting point at what point are you culpable for your actions? You have to be. Like that guy that had toourettes Was it the Bas? Yeah, fuck everybody that was madeed in Fuck every single person that was me to him about that I like I was so angry about that whole scenario. I didn't think I was a particularly well versed person on Tourettes But apparently no one in America has ever on even the most based, like what tertsary research? L any awareness of what it is whatsoever And we've known about it in the UK. I don't ever remember a time of not knowing about tourettes. even when I was a kid, I think Reggie Yates did a documentary called Super Touretes. Is that is that? That's an actual medical term. suuper totte. And what's that? So their ticks, like their physical ticks are so intense that they like fall down And it's And obviously like devastating and debilitating for them. But like I think they should have come up with a different name It sounds desirable. Super Tret. It sounds like what you get if you upgrade, if you press the upgrade button when you're adding to the cart. Tret. Yeah, it is. it is, it's the value meal It's a happy meal equivalent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And do you want to drink with that? supise Super Yeah su su superpiseed threats. Yeah. And then so all these Hollywood actors coming out and being like, I think he meant that. Why was that word in his? brain and I'm like, because it's the worst thing you could say in that moment and That's that's the condition. Wasn't that same guy while on the documentary when his dog was about to cross the road was said to his dog like cross the road. Nope And then his fight not even his interactions with his favorite animal.. Like he's there's no I mean, Lewis Capaldi, like the pressure of his second album I don't know whether you gave him torette, but it's sort of caused it to emerge. Yeah, I think you like it can rot to do stress and stuff. like being at the Bas As a guy who's like a school caretaker, like Janitor? I hated everybody going all these poor actors on stage. just like, who would you rather be? Hollywood elite millionaire on stage having a not nice word. Yeah, a not nice word shouted at you or Like working class guy who's just gonna to go back to like mopping floors When he leaves the bfters who has like struggled with a debilitating neurological condition for his whole life. And now on the biggest stage he's ever had has displayed it to the entire world And also in a room of people at the BAFTas, they're all supposed to be members of the accademy and they're also supposed to have watched all the films So they should all have seen the film about the guy who shouts inappropriate things And they were all like, what is going on? Do your job, watch the thing for the award you're going to And if you don't understand something, I just he was getting death threats online And at no point did anyone from like the Jamie Fox side of things. who'd like call them racist and all that stuff, come out and go Oh, like it should have been ed out because that's a very embarassing moment for those guys on stage. But like This guys The guy is like got a disability. So I fucking I've been angry about that though since it happened basically Pretty mean to see Unfold Uh Wed isn't it sort of social decorums so saying the right things, behaving in the right way in the right spaces is so highly sought after and that kind of deeviation from that behavior We're okay with disabilities for people for like young kids that need help in very obvious ways. but this one that's socially difficult to deal with. Autism is another one. or people that have got OCD and maybe unable to operate in the world in a way that's convenient for everybody else. It's like We't I don't have to like not those ones. The difficult conversations of where accessibility meets inclusivity meets like He should be like, there's people coming and saying he shouldn't have been at the awards thing. And I'm like What are we doing here? Like you're supposed to be the kind of progressive welcoming. You see youre telling me that if was a person in a wheelchair and there was no rM. But they shouldn't have been there. them. Army crawl your way onto the stage. If a person in a wheelchaair won an award and every went it's two months five. Yeah, yeah yeah. ye. Just someone just launch them exactly shop put them. haveave you got any shop pututs that' done this even? shhop put that person up there. And what's interesting was Listen to you tell your story about what childhood was like for you and some of those scripts certainly for me reflecting on my childhood, one of my most common recurring and uncomfortable dreams is me doing something to another person that I thought was just a bit of fun or I thought was a normal interaction. Yeah to then find out that I've crossed some invisible line that I didn't know existed. Yeah. and to then immediately feel horrendous about it. Yeah. The last one of these I had was about twowo weeks ago or so And it was Jasmine, who does the guest book to got you here. We were walking down the street and I had a like a gateroid bottle like that that had water in. And I thought we were just playing about and I sort of splashed some water at her And that turned out to be this huge fau pas that I'd done and immediately I felt terrible. and then I woke up and was I was all I was all anxious and I just woke up and that was it. And that that is a consistent Yeah theme, not only in my life, but also in the dreams that I've had for Like a like that is the if you were to pick the center of the bull's eye of my awkwardness in reality. It's me doing a thing and someone being mad at me without me realizing that I'd done it and then finding out Impantly because occasionally you do something in your life whether it's in worker relationships where you go Look, this might upset this person But I'm going in with my eyes open and I like still think this is the right thing to do, even though it's going to be like uncomfortable or upset them and And that's one thing but then like being so blindsided by it What do you think like, are you Are you interested in the past? Like do you think you might have autism? Like I don't want to be of these people to wear your culture is my costume? No, but like and God, there's enough autistic people that go around diagnosing everyone else. Yeah' true I like what would you? I have no idea. I have absolutely no idea. There's certainly some trait. I mean again, apologizing anything, everything is just some form of a spectrum, right? And at some point you breach the threshold for it to be said and now you are depressed and now you are anxious and now you are asperg and now d h, but I've always made this joke, which is maybe a self protection thing I don't know the difference between being an only child and being autistic You're just an unsocialized boy. Bingo But then you introduced to other dogs when you were young may be that ramps up your predisposition. a little bit because there's All of the memes around well, people that have got autism can'told eye contact, people that have got autism are unable to operate socially. They need to do stimming, they need to da. And then you realize actually there's infiniteity number of ways that it can show up. But then also people's desire to have some form of mental pathology so that they can have a thing. I think autism is It is sort of the sexy new If you're going to have a mental malady, It's one of the ones that people kind of typically Okay it's like, I'm just aut like, you know, it's a word that gets thrown around an awful lot Yeah, and that's difficult. I think it there's a great book There's two great books by comedians about adult autism diagnosis. There's Fern Brady, a strong female character And there's Pier in alli, why can't I just enjoy things? And the real sort of like shot chaseer like Fern just like M. And Pierre is like, and here's why I think But it's really, really interesting. and then VI talks about a couple things in that u where what I where he says like the The terminology, like of the word like autism will probably become defunct Reasonably soon because It's a really big umbrella term likeike a really big umbrella term. and a helpful thing was the Aspergers category, but you're not supposed to say that anymore becausecause he was a Nazi who was an Aspergam Wh's the guy discovered it. Yeah, invented it or I don't know what the word is, but discovered or like categorized it as a thing. he was like a Nazi, so it's not named after him anymore. So the appropriate term now is like autism level one, which is what I have, which is Aspergers's O Asperger's was. Okay. And then autism level two. And the three levels So you're actually a Nazi in this regard. I am a Nazi.'s I think that's what it means. Yes. But the in this regard, and loads regard. Yeah The And then level two and then level three. and it's basically like how much help do you need to exist in like normal neurotypical life. So like level one is like, you don't need any outside assistance until go through your life you in a wheelchair. Like you can cope with the world and then level two is like you might need someomehow. like or like, you know, care or whatever. And then the three is like, you can't exist in the world. You basically full time care, all that stuff. And like, you know, like To have me and then somebody who's nonverbal and hits himself in the head And like cuts their arms by like scratching so repeatedly, like It's sort of crazy that we've got the same diagnosis. And I get that like look There's people with cancer and then there's people with cancer, you know, it's like Stage one stage two, stage, three, stage four. It's a similar thing I guess the autism doesn't develop Hopefully, hopefully U in that direction But I do think it feels strange. What I like about it versus, so I got diagnosed with AD HastD as well I I really want to punch. Yeah. I think it was like, I won't get one for years or packagage still. Yeah. They I don't like care about that one really as much Ply because I think it might be overdiagnosed or I would worry that it's overdiagnosed because there's medication for it So what's nice about autism is there's no like big form of money that you can follow to go Well, they would be motivated to diagnose lots of people with autism because then they could sell these drugs or whatever Where's itDHC They are motivated to diagnose lots of people with AHD because there is medication for it. So that's why I think the autism one feeds a little bit. You you've been spending a good bit of time in America The big the big pharma conspiracies are already running rampant. Yeah, well the thing is like the NHS is like An amazing thing that is like being a bedfucked over But the big fararmmer still gets their sort of claws in because they're just selling it to the NHS rather than You know, you're sort of whether the money comes direct from you or comes from you through your taxes through the NHS and back out. There's still money sort of at the end of it. So I would worry about that a little bit with the ADHD diagnosis and I haven't tried the medication for ADHD What is it Fad That's good Yeah, it's like that fun. Yeah It's like riddling. but apparently like if you have ADHSD you It doesn't's like just you can do your taxes. That's a real That's a real u It's like litus test. That feels like I should how you should do it. Yeah. You should say, okay, take this. And then just see if this person starts bouncing off the walls or if they do sit down and read. I also read an interesting thing and I don't know if this is like even nearly scientifically true, but there's a massive comorbidity with autism and a thing called Eller Dan loss syndrome which is like hyper moobility and like the soft tissue in your bones and joints. and I am like quite hyperobile, like my wristp pops are And like things dislocate on me all the time. and I someone that plays a bit sport. Wonderful, terrible nightmare. but So yeah that But then some people have said, Well what if They are they're not like happening at the same time by chance or whatever, it's just the same thing as in like the soft tissue in your bones and joints. It's also affectingve you've got bone autism. No, but it's affecting the soft tissue in your brain. 'causeuse there's different types of tissues in your brain and the conective stuff between. You've got brain Ellas Dandruff connect. and I've got hypermobile brains. although hypermobile doesn't feel like a good word for how autistic people's brains work. They're not exactly flexible Yeah. what happened with this Irish Times article thing? Oh, that was interesting I feel a little bit bad about that. I had spoken to the lady who wrote the article that I had spoken to her before she wrote the article. so to fill people in like I There was a write up about A few different things in the Irish timimes, like me, Sally Rooney, the Cup, just the big three. And there and withithin it, there was sort of like a couple paragraphs of like a review of my show that they'd come and seen And I'd like spoken to her on the phone about it and she'd written like really interesting articles about like Ireland has an incredibly high GDP and is a very wealthy country, but the public service is like O dog shit Public transport's really bad There's no National Health S service. There's like this, that and the other like Whereas we had the whole point of this like letting all these corporations come into Dublin and have their offices there is that you do make some money off them and then that goes into like life Benefit from that north of the border And no, B. No, but like the whole parta Yeah. And I think she's really interesting and I think she's really clever U When she wrote about my show, she said that like It was unapologetically local And like if you don't get the references, that's your problem And she like coded another review that gave me two stars at the fringe of someone who clearly just like didn't get the show at all, whichich is one of my favorite reviews, actually the two star one. It really made me laugh quite a lot And But I just like she'd phrased it in a way that I was like, oh, that's a bit annoying. Like this is quite a big, like newspaper And if I were someone that didn't know who Victoria Manded only was And I read that I would think that it's just like it's a bit of a stereotype of Northern Irish comedians that we just do the know, it's funny, because it's local thing,'ve gone And also it's inaccessible, which means if I was maybe thinking that I was going to buy a ticket like, why I don't speak Belfast Yeah. So it's just like Whereas in the show like, That was the point I made when I did like a post about it on Instagram being like I you know, wrote this show in London, triiled it all around England did at the Edinir Range, did it in New York,'ve not done it in America. In the articles, she said, like I refuse to explain myself, but I like truly don't. I do loads of expositioning likepl and that's like the fun of the show is like going, Hey, this place I'm from is a bit fucked up Here's why, here's this, here's thatad, hereere's this weird quirk about it opening it out to the is like the sort of half of the point of the show that I've written And I was just like a little bit annoyed. So I just was like, o, you know, just post thing on Instagram And this has happened a couple of times recently and this is like I think this don't know if this is an autism thing, but like Maybe where I just think I'm like, having a little bit of fun or like just informing people of something. like my run of shows in Belfast One of the nights, like twenty people arrived thirty minutes late And I like asked the audience, I was like, ohd like Is it unclear on the website What time this starts and they were like, yeah, kind of so in the interval I just went on my on Instagram and did like a black square white text and was like, Oh, twenty people just arrived half and hay for my show And for the rest of this week, Doorser this time shows this time exxcept the Mat Nes Doorser this time, Sher this time. thanks And it's gotten like more views than most of my stand upp clips. I think because people think I'm being like Tatty really fucking rude or whatever. But it was just like, here are the facts of the situation and here's how I can help And then I think with the Irish T times I was like just trying to do a little I didn't like the way this person phred themselves about my show And then, uh It like just blew up in like a kind of mad way where it has like forty thousand likes or something And then some people going, I think you've misread the article. but I agree she was trying to compliment me in the article But I just I don't think it came across in a way that was like, nice if I tryed to do a little post about it. And then she reached out and was like, oh, I think you've kind of taken me out of context And I was like, you and me both, sister, like, you know We're kind of This is a funny phone callong. She was like You're gonna apologize now I was like, are you like We've both pissed each other each other off fucking standing armies. We're both probably in the wrong a little bit. ye ye and didn't phrase ourselves perfectly and I maybe shouldn't have put her like in the screenshot, I kept her name and like the article, but it was also like Your name' in the newspaper beside one of the article. is like it's not like It's hard to find out who wrote the article, but then The problem with the internet is it's full of cs, isn't it? So like people seent her like horrible messages O Instagram and stuff And I was like I like I don't know how much responsibility I need to take for my audience, but like I'm sorry that that happened. That wasn't my intention And like, you know, we're like friendly en off now and just have a sort of agree to disagree thing on that in it I think she didn't raise herself well. she thinks I didn't raise myself well. Im like I don't know, like It's very easy as a comedian to do this whole like Fuck everybody, I don't fucking care. 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It's been kind of fascinating to see and I was thinking about what would be the difference if it had happened in the UK H. I don't know from I've been in the US for four years now, but obviously still listen to a lot of you, listen to a lot of Finn, listen to the screen root boys, you know, listening to Yeah, I've said to you before, this is it's my way to back into a little bit of British culture it sort of reminds me that Jaffer Cakes and the in betweenetweeners and, you know, like Wayne Linaker still exists. L it's very important for me to have my cultural waym. three pillars of the UK. Correct Jaffer Cakes, in betweenetweeners and Wayne Liner. That's true. But I was thinking because you guys sort of roast recently maybe not, you know, not Netflix and Kevin Hart or whatever, And then what's happening with whatever we want to call it, like British comedy now U It seems like new what I'm seeing is a new sort of half generation that's stepping through, which have been mostly borne out by the internet. although everyone's done a million years of standard. I'm aware that everyone's driven to like woking and shit house like p to experi. Exactly. like done all of those things. L they've done that for a long time, and now they've just burst on the internet but from Getting public awareness, people are just starting to break through. And that's really cool. And it feels like there's this next sort of wave that's on its way, which is real exciting. to see the number of different factions and maybe this is just because America's such a big country and so many people hate each other. it's very contentious Uh, but It's like An earthquake occurs, this big thing happens And then there's all of these aftershocks that go on afterward. So then Chelsea Handler' is going to go on Don Lemmon's podcast and she's going to talk about this and then Shane's going to talk to Matt and they're going to say this thing and then Tony, I don't know whether he's piped up yet, but he's going and everyone's waiting. It's almost, you know what it is? It's almost like Someone's had a boxing fight and then you're wait for the post fight press conference. Yeah. And you're waiting to hear, Well, you know, I just wasn't on form this evening. The training camp is great, but tonight I just wasn't the b or he missed weait. I can't believe we've had to pay the purse like then we need to run them back at I I haven't seen that level of Cattiness. in the UK. I don't know whether it's not big enough for the factions to go, whether I'm just not paying enough attention, whether there's not a large enough pie for everybody to be worried about that. You all need to keep in friends because the likelihood of you bumping into someone is probably higher than it is in the U.S. like I'm saying There's this enforcement mechanism of I just don't want to have to face I don't have to bump into you and feel like you've got this unsaid stuff like you and this journalist lady maybe. but maybe there's more decorum, more politeness I don't know. I just I was thinking about it because a few clips popped up of your guys's roast from a little while ago and then Kevin Hart one and I was comparing the two and I thought it was kind of interesting about how yeah, the difference in the post fight press conference. Well, I think like The roast thing is such a big like it's been in American culture for a long time. Like the Don Reckles stuff. It's much older in this country than it is In the UK, culturally Whereas 'ause like we've met like, You could very easily. I don't know if you would do, but like you could do like a roast of Jimmy Cr like in the UK on Netflix, but like, you know whether that would cut through in the UK or what that was. and You know, that was the have a word podcast didid that roast that we did in the UK. And I think like it didn't It's sort of people who have been on their podcast and we all have our own followings and like And it was also just on their Patreon and clips were just going out as like clips. but like I don't know, the Rast thing' fun. I think it's become like reaction has become such a big part of culture, maybe particularly in America. whereere it's like, this person reacts to this thing. It's half a YouTube is videos that have gone derivative and then people just watching those videos Did it start with two girls one cup Maybe It might have. That was patient zero of reaction. Patient double zero. because like There's more videos of people watching toardls one cup then obviously the one video that is two Gs oneup You know what I mean? Like there's all these people being like,s And I think like I don't know I thought a lot of that road stuff was like Like They're all funny jok. I saw all the like lots of the jokes. the comedy store, the wayake of because everybody was like practicing there Jokes, I was at that crazy night at the comedy store where Pell showed up and then brought on Gillis and then brought on Louucy K and then brought on Chris Rock and then brought on Uh, can you ask Kanye West was in the comedy star. So it was the day after I landed in LA. I went to the I didn't have anything to do it on the Sunday night, like the day before the Netflix is a Joke Festival started And I was like, I'll just go watch like the open Mic at the comedy store. I like to do that when I arrive in a place I've never been before, like see some like really bad stand up comedy I picked a great night. Well, because the problem with the comedy store was the open mic becomes the proper show. And I just as like a confidence boost wanted to be like, let's fucking watch some shit people To be fair, they were shit and was sort of enjoying it and I'd been there for like Maybe an R when the proper show started and then they started bringing on people. But the problem is I arrived and was like tried to do like I don't want to be like again, I think didn't know what the social norm was, but walked up the doorm was like, Ohh hi, I'm comedian in time to the Netflix festival and I was justoping to watch the show And they were like, yes, twenty dollars And I was like Okay, that's like fine, whatever. Kevin funny. I was like, I don't think Okay, that's fine Gave him twenty dollars And then they're like, okay, put your phone in this little bag, blah blah blah. Then they walk me through and sit me in the front row and I'm like, this is silly that I'm here, but like 'cause I'm not a great laugher I like a comedy show. I don't know like, I'm okay, but like Not the worst, but I sort of just sit there and like quietly enjoy and analyze it because I'm soort like in the weeds of what it is. And but I'm sat at the front in the corner And like nearly every comedian on like the main show referenceced the fact that I wasn't laughing Like this guy fucking hits it Not knowing that Yeah, I was loving it and I was having a good time. Polly Shore called me gay for his whole set And it was like quite fun. Call me gay atty. it was like fun. And then U Yeah, and then I noticed the security going around and taking people's Apple watches, even though they'd already got everybody's phones and like putting those in pockets and I was like, oh, somebody Somebody famous is about to walk on. And that's when they brought Chappelle on And then he brought on all those people. So I saw a lot of those roasts and it's so funny, the one that's gotten like Gelison trouble on the internet or whatever, or the one that Chelsea Handers k kicking up a fuss about. Like that's the one When Gillis was on, I was like, oh, I'm not bad audience member L I just have a high bar. Yeah I was just folded nowalf laughing, it's unbelievable. Yeah. And Yeah, the Jokeobite Kevin Hart is so short They're gonna to have to lynch from a Bononsi tree. That's the one I was like recounting to people is the best one I'd heard that I was really excited to see on Netflix. And that's the one that everybody's like, I can't believe you f. You don't make jokes about lynching. Chelse Anders said lyching's worse than rape Yeah I mean, I don't know why we're doing a league table. Yeah. I think there's not a competition. I think they're both bad It's not a competition. I think they're both really bad. It's just it's interesting to see this fallout to think How these people are on stage to trying to achieve the same thing to have a good time supposedly to have a good time. I think that's that's a misunderstanding people have about roasts is some people think it's like a competition and like someomebody wants to win and somebody might like even very American. Yeah, but even rose battles, I'm like This is a double actx. You're like that's how you should view it and that's a dance partners to fight. It's an ensemble show and you're trying to perform for other people. You're not trying to just be mean. You're trying to say really funny things about your friends and colleagues famous people and stuff. and I think like Yeah, I don't know. likeike I try not to get caught up in this like Everybody's too offended nowadays Everybody just has too much of an opinion nowadays. It's like I didn't like it. fucking. And an infinite number of opportunities to talk about it. Yeah and broadcast it. Yeah, ye yeah. Everyone has their own little platform and an incentive to say things. And it's hard to fuck in not. likeike, you know, I'm on a podcast right now. there's a big podcast And I could give my fucking take on the roast of Kevin Hart and it could be a clip and it could do well and whatever. but like I liked it. It was a bit long Some people didn't do great, but they're actresses, not comedians. So what the fuck you are? There we are. But it's another peppet That's a nice. You know, like this the most lukewarm take that we canost like So many people going, o you should do a post about this, you should do a cat to camera video about this. No, I've written the show that I've spent loads of time on and that's what I'm You know? There is this there is definitely a sense that comedians alike U ammunition bullets in the chamber of one particular perspective or another, that this thing has happened and we need someone to comment on it. And we know that if we try and get someone who's too serious, it's going to come across as kind of stodgy and it doesn't really work on the internet. But we've got this guy and we think that this guy mostly agrees with us. So if we can make him aware of this thing we can kind pointoint him like a rifle and then you can pull the trigger andll he'll do something and that'll take down. I've been kind of obsessed with this this idea that I heard this week of a cringe cancellation. So you can cancel somebody because they did something illegal, you can cancel somebody because they said something reprehensible or whatever it is. But there's a much more pernicious type of cancellation, which is I think what people are attempting to use comedians for. whichich is I want you to make this person's brand equity so toxic to be associated with. Yeah wow, that they become cringe cancellled. Yeah Yeah. I think that's probably Pful as an idea. I wonder who who would I Who what's an example of someone who you think has been like, canceled.omebody made a joke about them that was so funny. Shety and Barlet got close to it when you and Mike did that clip That's the canonical example Wizards of Nothing? That was the one. That's true. That's one of my favorite that went interstellar, but that's what that's the kind of thing that I'm talking about, which is n if if if And this maybe not even it's done in advance. We're going to try and say this thing to make it so uncool or whatever But for the most part, like a lot of criticisms around Russell Brown, this is a two pronged assault, right? The real cancellation, but also the cringe cancellation. Yeah which comes in because a lot of the time, if someone's H virtue That's chipped away at that opens up the opportunity for oh, maybe the momentum slowing, which means that we can also get in there and do and do the cringe thing too. But it's not always prefabricated. I'm not saying that every single time but that these things can happen by accident or they can be someone can try to construct them. But either way, if you make it basically uncool. embarrassing to like listen to someone. Yeah. that is You know what remember the R notght number from COVID, like for every person that gets infected, however many more people. So for instance, the Psychology of money by Morgan Houseel, my friend for every person that buys the book another one point two people buy the book. Okay Be they like it so much and it's so widely applicable and managing your money is such an important thing that the total addressable market is like eight billion people. Yeah. So they So every month, I think I'm still right on this, everyvery month since it launched Three years ago, it sold more copies. Yeah, that's just fucking insane. Well that's that's like books Word of mouth is like the only way to sell books. Yes. Like there's can you can't put up a billboard a book, like nobody fucking tell. I don't care. But if you say, dude do you need to read this or better, I bought it for you So there it is Yeah literally. Um if you can do the opposite of that, if you can make the R not number less that for every person that sees this thing Fer people want to be associated. You know what I mean? It's this sort of negative I listen to Jay Sherry's podcast so you don't have to Well I think Brian Callan, good friend. Fireing the kid. that has been on the receiving end of this. That is a real difficult spiral to come up because how do you reverse engineer someone that's having a that is saying This is not something that you should listen to and because I'm saying that you shouldn't listen to it. fewer people want to listen to it which means that It's very human and then if you try to push back against that, It's just more cringe, more cringe, more cringe. It's a horrible sort of spiral to get yourself into. But it's like I think it's a worry of like, social isolation, isn't it of like it's cringe to be into that. It's like, o better not. Yes. What like guem Bll by a joke about roller skating. You you know what he said like rouler skitting was massive until that one homophobic joke in the nineties and then everybody put the roulerskids in the bin which is what's the hardest thing about roller skating Telling your dad you're g Okay, so yeah, it's like a roller skating cancellation. That's exactly what I mean. Yeah That's precisely what I mean. But it can happen for anything, right? It can happen for bands, it can happen for TV stations, it can happen for whate. Overexposure is a big thing. I think for like actors as well. be just sick of saying somebody? Who would be an example of that. I think Nick Cage was probably not far off it at one point, but then actually went through it so far. he kind of did the full horseshoe that full circled and came back out the other side of the the cringe thing. The rock actually fringe canceed without being properly The rock is actually the canonical example of this And then it seems to me like he's trying to do another He's trying to do a rebrand with being edgy, swearing more, less family friendly Uh and the Kevin Hart Rast Yeah because that was that felt like Oh cats out of the bag with saying R Tard The rock's at it. You know what I mean? Like the rock is the overt in window That's that is exactly what my friend George said. Precisely. He like holy fucking shit, the rocks there That is yeah, he's as Hollywood as Overton Windowy as you can get. Yeah I don't know if that's good thing The rock is the rock is the center of culture Yeah, that doesn't fade grant That doesn't feel like All of the generally accepted opinions are represented in enormous sort of Freak Like he is a freak, you know what I mean Presses and bottles on set and stuff apparently. I didn't hear about that. Yeah. That's interesting. 'use he's working hard, Chris That's what I mean That's what I need. I need one of those down here to show just how hard I'm working. Little catheter. That'd be cool That'd be cool. Yeah. I I don't know, it's very surprising to think. How far back would you need to go? for that roast to not be allowed on the internet. Three years, four years maybe That' in the Netflix post, allowed on the internet? No, sorry. allow allowed on the Netlix I on the published Yeah. And shows how much I've seen it online. But then it's just cycles, isn't it? Isn't it just pendulum swinging anduff like that. You know, if you look at the Daon Rickles, Roasts mhm I mean, you want to see racist jokes the Dn reckless. I mean You couldn't have put that out in twenty Yeah, people went a bit mad. But when was at what point would that have been allowed This year, one year ago, two years ago, three years ago, because it wouldn't have been six years. It's pretty recent. It's probably one or two, really? Yeah. And I try not to like I don't know, pay much Heed So that stuff, like what is allowed, what isn't allowed Is that because you're purposey not trying to be an edgelord? Yeah, well, I'm purposelyy trying not to come across as an Eedgelord. I'm not saying things because they're edgy. Aside from the fact that you have to say things to create tension in the room to be a stand up comedian and like, you know, if you're in a topic that people aren't comfortable with, then you can get a nice laugh at the end of it. But It's not just for the sake of being Edie. Well that's something everyone's talking about at the moment, which is How often the joke's funny and how often is it just a forbidden sentence? Yeah I mean,mer ha' been like around America for a few weeks like like there is something a little bit embarrassing about some of American comedy where it's like If you have a joke that doesn't work If you just stick a slur at the end. peopleeople will clap because they think you're like fighting this good fight. like It's the right wing equivalent of we don't like that orange guy It's all just clatter and it's all really, really boring and pondering and sort of Nonsense. Like a big thing with my show that I'm touring at the minute is like, I don't think anybody should be comfortable the whole time but for different reasons. Like I think some people who might lean more towards the right or be more there for the edgi or dark stuff They'll be uncomfortable because I'm like reasonably vulnerable in the middle of the show and sincere at points and Talk about difficult things personally But then The The people who like that vulnerable narrative thematic stuff will be uncomfortable with some of the jokes that I make later on and it's just like Yeah, you want to stretch your audience, You don't want to like give them what they want. And I think a lot of American comedians are begin to getting big rounds of applause for being saying naughty words. It's like, you know when you werere like twelve and you found out what a female dog is called? And all your mates are like, o my go, You can say batch like you can call it a batch because it's a batch That feels like what a lot of American comedies at the minute, where it's like whs nice naught I don't know what? what's happening with the vulnerability side, but there's definitely a perform there's a performative evellement of both. There's a performative element of pushing beyond what is allowed. This is the window I'm going to push on that side. But then you also create the incentive to perform in the other direction, which is to just have endless amounts of vulnerability like I heard this recently speed rununning relatability. Someone trying to like hurry their way through. Just trauma dumping on. in a desperate attempt to be like, I'm a real person. Let me show you how much of a real person I am. Yeah And that also performative And that also has the potential to be cringe. But When authenticity is incentivized because people people seem to like that seem to resonate with that What you end up with is a world of people trying to work out how to reverse engineer authenticity that genuinely looks authentic but doesn't have to be authentic Like it doesn't have to be sincere. it just needs to appear authentic. It just needs to align with whatever your brand is and whatever your stick is. Russell Brown. Oh yeah. whatever sort of Whatever people want to hear from you. Like I think that's a big thing with a lot of comedy audiences. They want to know what angle you're coming from from the start You know, particularly in America, I think It's like nobody in America is Americ Everybody, I'm Italian or I'm Irish, or this or I'm not. It's like and then all their jokes are filtered through that lens where I sort of am slightly averse to that. All it's I guys tell you what I think it's nothing to do with me being Irish. None of these things that define me entirely. 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The Temon Mower is Pete Weber who you might have seen on the internet shing who do you think you are I am and I knew when I was like working towards the show that it was going to be a show about identity and how people perceive me and how I perceive myself And I just thought that was like a funny M title for that show. But as I was writing the show and performing the show I realized that like Loads of people hadn't seen the clip which is crazy to me, because in my mind it goes viral like once a month. Crazy level and Like most people I performed on the tour hadn't seen the video at all. So I had to like write an explanation of the video at the start of the show, which was a fucking nightmare. but like actually very fun and like exxciting like a fun bed and a fun thing to explain and And then as I was working on the show, I was like, Oh, this is like I think he's me Like in the show. Like I didn't sit thone being like, I'm gonna to write a show where I sort of In the subtext of the show, I am this professional bowler who is like kind of my hero because of this clip likeike it just sort of became evident to me as I was talking about my experiences of that last couple of years of like coming across very arrogant to other people, pissing people off without realizing I was pissing them off and then trying to refind a bit of that swagger, having like put myself in a bit of a box and avoided that for a while. And like Do that sort of like wrestling thing and Pete Weber's a big wresting fan of like the heel turn. of being like, fucky, there's like a fun thing to play with. of like steering into this gate of being like I am arrogant And therefore like You know, Pete Web's the bad boy of bowling, which is like a very funny thing T be like it's a crazy thing to be the bad boy of But so stand up comedy, like it's a very embarrassing sort of weird art form kind of and it's like So yeah, I just came out of it Naturally and I was really annoyed because he lives in Nashville, but he was away when I was doing my show there. And I was supposed to do that show about him in Nashville And I really wanted to for him. and I don't know if he's watched it. If I was on Instagram And I did magine him being like, oh hey this special came out on YouTube and he was like, yeah man, I'm going gonna watch it this week. Then he hasn't replied since, but I don't know if he just really didn't like it What was the u putting yourself in a box thing like regressing back and then coming back out. and trust. So the story from that show is like I clip of my podcast got screen recorded and setent around own lots of comedian what sub groups , where I was saying talking aboutving having an unexpected good run at Addamber Friends Festiv And I was like, all people keep telling me I'm the guy this year. Like it's my year to be the guy. I'm the fucking guy And I was saying that I was finding that really stressful. I was having lots of panic attacks. L the how am I going to live? These weren't people who' seen the show, they just heard the buzz or whatever And I was like, How do I live up to whatever this is? T of the Lewis Capaldi effect. Yeah, just like God I can't, I mean, on a much smaller scale, but like that kind of thing And then who I was being made fun of, but like they cut off the podcast clip out of context where it's just me going P peopleople keep telling me, I'm the fucking guy this year. and that got sent around and then People come up to me during the festival and be like, Oh, it's the fucking guy. and I'd be like, Oh, it's happening again Be I didn't find out I didn't find out about the Whatspp groups until the month after So I had this month of my life that I was like, this is the best month of my career so far. so exciting, reallyally proud of what I achieved And I had a really fun time with lots of different comedians. Like it was difficult to points, but I had a really fun time. And then a month later, all of that was like, o fuck, like everybody was making fun. The veil got lifted behind my back. It's like my throwing water on Yasmine dream. Yeah, it's that I thought we were all having fun I thought this was a good time. Yeah. And everybody just thought I was like a wanker. which is like truly, like if I'd been sent that clip of another comedian, I would have like ripped into them And just like because it's like funn And I get how it came across. but I think for fear of that happening again, there was like maybe a year and a half Two years where I like tried to put a lid on like bit of the self promotion, a bit of the like Bravado. Yeah, that stuff, which I think is like part of My like has always been part of my approach to comedy, but from doing that show and touring that show like builduing that part of myself back up and being slightly less ashamed of like Yeah, I'm like ambitious. I want to like a like do lots of cool stuff and I think I can be really good at stand up comedy and like The reason I do stand up comedy is I think I can I think I can be one of the best in the world at it And I didn't have that when I was like a musician or whatever. But I felt like withan of Comedy I was like, I'm not saying definitely and it's all subjective, but I was like, I think I can be one of the best in the world at this so I've kind of been working on getting my Mojo back in that sense and you kind of have to because I tell you what's hard to do. without any bravado. is promote a stand up comedyour on Instagram Authentically. Yeah, to be like, Hey, come see the show. It's like it's fine It's not it to work And there's los of comedians go on line and go o fuc hit doing this self promo stuff. And I'm like Yeah That's the job. I'm sorry. You're sort of in marketing, but you're also going to be sad if you onlyn play to a halfieill theatre So like you Yeah, I mean, that's something else that really resonates with me Uh, I think certainly from childhood, mayaybe this is working class, you know I from Stockton. Right, Stock non te. Get home. It's I I've tried to put across just how Horrendous the places. It's a beautiful theatre. And then everything else. correct. is off. Yeah. you've played in Stockhol. I've done the arc in Stockholam I went to go and see what's that fucking World War I, play about a horse Warhorse? Warorse. J stupid My dre all over the world. It's like my dream. I all over the world World War O play about a horse. Soorry that was so mean of me, but that That was close. What's that bkeer about the jungle Oh Anyway, I went to go and see that in ar in the ark in art Um, for a good while, I don't know whether it's just a British thing. Northeast of the UK, whether it is You need an amount of charm to be able to carry off bravado or ego or like confidence. There's definitely the tall pupy thing if don't get too big for your boots. I mean, fuck me how many times I know Ireland's got that like notions is what we call it. He's got notions Has any have notions that you're somebody U If you're accused of having notions, that would be a bad thing. I think I would be accused of having notions. Too keen I don't know your place Yeah yeah yeah. It's topopy. it's the exact same thing right, I like that. Well, I don't like it, but you know what I mean? Yeah And what I learned as being an incredibly unpopular kid in school highly under socialized who played cricket So like, you know, just in case I was going to make it worse on myself. Yeah. to play cricket at a moderately high level, and wear whites all the time Hh What I learned was if you really aggressively downplay what it is that you've got going on, if you don't talk about your ambitions, if you don't sound like you're too big for your boots, I think I reverse engineered that a lot of people find you more likeable in that way, that they don't see you as a threat Quite the same thing as humility It's like it's kind of like performative humility in a way it's makenness, isn't it?ct. Yeah. That's a good way to put it. Yeah. Well, they're going to inherit the earth, according to the Bible. Joordhan Peters would degree? Yeah. and But it's it's not genuine meekness, it's more of fear of judgment Why you' I'm not going to want say too much. I want to do you know what changed this for me? The movie Coach Carter I' think I've ever seen that Brother. Whaty is the point in talking to you? You have to watched Coach's card or haven't, what's it about? Basketball So Sam L. Jackson is a basketball coach. Okay in a sort of impoverished neighborhood, Richmond, the Richmond oilers and there's this recurring thing where he asks a player Timo Cruz What's your deepest fear And he like refuses to answer and then he like just but it keeps coming on. What's your deepest fear? What's your deepest fear And then with Timo Cws I think like a family member of his gets like shot But he's like turned his back on the team because he didn't want to go to class. He didn't want to do all the strict like classic sports movie stuff. Like you have to have this GPA, you have to turn up, you have to blah blahah Be respectful wear a tie, all that stuff He'd like stormed out but then he had like really horrible family stuff And then he got back into the team and B blah, blah, blah, blah, Really dramatic moment in the film He stands up and says ourur deepest fear is not that we are inadequate It's that we are powerful beyond measure. It is u It is not our darkness, but our light that scares us the most. And it's this poem that already exists. I can't remember who it's by, but he does the whole poem and like I think at some point in my life, I was like You know, if you shine your light it emboldens other people to shine theirs as well. And I think Yeah, it's so easy to be like all puppy thing and when do you think you got over that? because it's like you're probably a very good example of that of like F feeling like I'm going interview people Like there's a level of like, who the fuck are you and why would we? Well, yeah, for sure. I think To be honest, I think I'm still playing it. I'm still certainly still down playing whenever I get asked about what's going on. Like I did this big interview with like high lifeife magazinees. She's the British Airways thing. I did something in the Times recently I did a bunch ofthers. And if you read through it, it sounds like it sounds like a comedian it sounds like a very, very bad comedian trying to do self deprecating. like every single line is trying to be self deprecating. Because well, you know, I Be being from the Northeast of the UK, I didn't have particular big dreams anyway so it's nice that I've surpassed them. Some shit like that like at every single step of the way than like You have goals biggest the eighth biggest podcaster in the world. Yeah, right? Like I just that's something that I can And also you're not done. You you think you're annoyed that you're in You want to be seventh or second, fif or fourth or, Maybe maybe. But That's okay. like it's okay. it's certainly still there It's certainly still there and I think it gets to a point where it actually starts to seeep inside of your own ambition a little bit and you go, I'm believing my own reverse hype. Yeah in a way. Yeah's nothing. Yeah, I'll just I'll sort of keep it where it is. I don't want to make waves get too big for my boots, have notions, you know, be a keo, et ceta. And like trying to work through that, I think is a really interesting challenge. to be honest, I still think it's there Like I'm doing the thing. in spite of it, not because of it Yeah, I'm gonna I like in a way It's a good thing to keep an eye on Not to have a runaway ego. Yeah. And I think that's the sort of what the ego, the super ego, the like all of those things balancing each other out and like You got to keep a little bit of it in check, but you just got to know what it is and when it's useful, when is Ego useful and When are you bragging versus being like grateful for what you've managed to achieve. Do you know what I think it might be? I think it might be a deep down belief that I'm so unlikable that I need to compensate for that unlikeability by m doing by adding in additional grades to the personality which includes not ever. Well I know that for the most part there is a You need to have like surplus liability to be able to have an ego. So if I don't ever display an ego, that means that the liability that I think is probably lower can be lower, which means that I'm not going to push over and accidentally cause some sort of an issue. I think that I think that's probably a big part of it on uh Yeah, it's interesting, one of the things that I certainly talk about my L life show is doing the thing in spite of not thinking that you should be able to like doing it anyway and being able to turn up and do the Apollo or sit down with Matthew McConaughe or, you know, whatever, whatever the fuck. Um or turn down Donald Trump on the podcast like to say no to opportunities too L the do turn R onlyn podcastter that did last year No two years ago the right part of the monosphere. Yes. We did it. Yes. I was fucking I'm so we've met twice and I'm so proud of you That that rocks. And I know you're like like makek about like that I mean, it shouldn't be a high bar to surress to not like interview a guy that's sort of bringing in fascism, but like Nice one, man. I think fucking cool. It was It was definitely a rarity to the media team reached out to me after the election That sp made my day. I'm sorry. This is so grip. Do it reallyut on this Put the hat on I'm going to put this on inst. Yeah, to mean. The media team reached out to me and they were like, you know, that I think of all of the people that got offered it, the only one that said no was you. You are aware of that. And I was like I guess I don't know. I didn't have what am I going I'm not gonna to get anything out if that conversation was my Yeah. I would be far more interested in speaking to him now And I think it's far less, um, u influential and potentially it's not like world changing or canantankaris or whatever. And there's less pressure. I was like, I don't I don't I feel like I am going to be able to do the job that is necessary regardless of what you think about Trum The guy is a generational communicator. And in the space of fifty five minutes, I'm not going to be able to I sat down with Bonie Sanders. And he was like a slippery eel And I'm like, wow, this is it's like rolling with a Brazilian jiu Jitsu black. something more times than you can even imagine. He's been in Congress longer than I've been al line. Yeah,'s. So I'm like this is an unfair fight. Yeah. But anyway, sayay yes to things, saying no to things, having the dreams, doing this. All of that, all of that. But definitely as a good role model for, hey, you cannot believe in yourself and still make it Yeah. likeike, isn't that an incredible fucking like motivational you know, you've got to see it before you achieve it or whatever. It's like hey, what about if you achieve it and you still don't see it Yeah because that is also a path and far more people I think have got At least in the UK been held back by a lack of comp idence than a lack of competence. It's like, Hey, you're way better than you think you are And there's a guy out there who's half as good as you with twice your confidence making ten times the progress. Yeah ye because they're just putting themselves in the right situations and going into the rooms and all the rest of the things Uh But yeah you can kind of You can just do things. You can you can just do things and apparently that is kindind of the same as believing in yourself. But I think you sort of have to believe in your like inherent, like good stuff about you, but like that you will keep yourself in check You know, in like a way where it's like, likeike knowing they down like, no, I'm like a I'm not a bad guy, I'm not a complete narcissist or whatever, so I can step a little bit out into the world and like even if I push with like everything I have to be as out there and confident as possible because you've got all these worries, like you're really that it's so unlikely that you're going to overhot Re overshoot Yeah Yeah. Yeah, isn't that interesting Yeah, it's so funny to think about, The fear that you have of being that thing. meananing that you're almost certainly never going to be that thing. that lineing about like, if you're worried that you're psyopath,'re probably not a psychopath. Yeah. I worry about that with the autism stuff Very simple like think you' manifested your own autism. No pychy sy Sociopath versus autism There's like There's like one thing that's not the same What's the thing? I can't remember what it is but it's you're perilously close to being a sociopath. Yeah people probably do reckon anyone's ever thought that before? Yeah, I think lots of people who aren't diagnosed with autism before they get diagnosed with autism, they're like This I'm really worried that I'm like an incorrectly d match. I'm a bad person. Yeah. notot that I don't I don't care about other people or I don't care about whatever like I don't know. that authenticity thing is really difficult though as well. Like I think it's very easy for that to just make you do nothing It's like, what do you want to do? What are lines with like who you are deep down inside? It's like I thought off if I just want to sit in and like read my book you know, like But like what I think I have like quite bad anxiety maybe to do with the autism stuff. So I've never been able to trust the gut thing You know when people are go like, I just trust your gut I'm like, I am terrified of everything I ever do I'm terrified to leave the house every day. I can't My God is not trustworthy It's a very stressy little gut, but you just have to fuck in If you're trying to go from Joey Chestnut to Joey Swoll, the RP Strength app is the best place to start. I've been in the gym for two decades and it wasn't until this last year that I had some of the best training sessions of my life and RP was a massive part of that. Actual scientists built this thing around the obsession to beat up their high school bullies and provide the most science backed effective path to maximizing muscle gain It tells you your exercises, how many sets, reps, the weights, everything. So all you have to do is show up and left, the RP strength app could wipe your ass for you. probablyro would and it adjusts automatically every week based on how you're actually progressing. 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Like I was hanging out with my uncle and he travels loads for work. likeike he's all over the world doing this like big corporate thing. and I who was like We were just like, I have unborn chat of like, how's this person in the family? How's that person in the family, blah blah blah blah And then I was like, are you still like enjoying the travel stuff? And he was like, No, not really And I was like, o okay, like What's your And I sort of stopped myself from going Okay, well But how does it make you feel? likeike what do you How can you fix that? What's this? What's happen?ike I really wantan to like interrogate people's like And it's not to be like, I think they're wrong or they're doing the wrong thing and I want to pick it apart It's like I just want to like them to talk me through their thought process And just so I find that so interesting like the reasons people do things. Also because there's often no reason. Like they haven't actually conceptualized that there are other options and they might like want to do something else. Mentum is a Yeah fucking hell of a restrictor on that. this is what I've always done. or this is what I do or whatever. It's the next logical step Let's keep going. Yeah Yeah, there's a cool idea of sliding versus deciding And it's like from couples counseling stuff that you move on to the next step of the relationship hanging out in an evening and then it's aitationship. and then it's a relationship. and then you know you come over a bit and then you got a toothbrush and you got a draw and we're kind of living together and now there's a golden retetriever and we should get married and now there's a kid and you wake up with a couple of kids in and a golden retetriever in a house and you go, At no point did I feel like I decided to get into this? And it happens with a lot of things in life. peopleeople slide through a career. Well, you know, I didn't know what to do at university so I did business did business studies. And then, you know, I got a job at I got a job at KPMG. KPMG iss great. And then you know, I just like you stay here and thenot a promotion. Yeah They think it's the same of comedy Like the next logical thing for me to do is like Tir tor Write another show, turn it around, get another tour on sale. Every year, yearah, ever yeah. Yeah I want to try and do like, no stand up in twenty twenty seven What you're gonna do instead? just like write scripts, maybe write a book, like just Lve You know, I've got the podcast that keeps the lights on. M B build out a bit more but like, Be go of a year of like not doing it and then really want to go back to it you know. Well also In order for art to imitate life, you have to live life. Yeah. See comedians where all their stuff's about like airplanes and dinners and backstages or green rooms. Yeah. So like gotta get out in the world a little bit a little bit. Where did the nameet yourself at the nine hundred eleven Memorial? That's true. That was part of tour. That's great The name got to parenting? Yes. People think it was like a jab like parenting podcast. It truly wasn't. It was Mike and I had done like a couple trial versions of the podcast we were like, okay, we're idiots. like we are just talking absolute shite the whole time and it's all silly And I was like, right, so we could call it My inventory was very stupid podcast And that would be like an accurate description But surely the naming protocols should also match the vibe of the podcast where we just name it the stupidest thing that we can think of And we landed on my inventory's guide to parenting Do you think many people Listen, hoping to find some parenting advice. We get a few messages I've put it in the children and Family section of Spotify You could like in people's recommended pnds if they like O new pants? They like They get recommended on s on Spoter f. I started listening to the Manosphere version, thinking that it would educate me about what to worry about for my eight year old son And I was horrified at what I heard Yeah Yeah, so we just thought it was the stupidest name ever And the joke answer is we' trying to attract an audience of young mums What trouble have you guys gotten into? Has there been anything coming out with that of like the naming thing. No, no, no, no, of the show is generally the podcast. Yeah No, I think like look every so often we get a little message where someone goes, Ohh, I didn't like that bit, I didn't like this bit and we have like, I think we have all sorts of people listening to the podcast and I think a lot of people think it's like guys listening to the podcast, but it's like Girls with fringes I think there's something about like Guys talking shit in like a Playful silly fun way is a way where I think women generally, like socially are like very good communicators and talk about their feelings. Is is that like kind of like stand up bit of You know, I went for a beer with my friend. We spend three hours together. I come back home, and my partner goes. How is his mom How this work going Is he seeing anyone? And you're like, why would I know Any of that stuff. And she's like, you spent three hours together. How did you not talk about that stuff and they can connect emotionally and really like learn about each other and sort of love each other in that way. But I think man whileile we're shit at that first one and I'm trying to get better at it. We're good at just abstract fucking around chat and like silly fun chat. And I think like For some men, listening to our podcast would be like Well I can kind of just like chat to my friends and fuck around with them and that's what this is. And that's nice when you're maybe like, in a new city and you like don't have that set upp yet But I think A lot of the women the listen to the podcast are like They don't get those conversations from like their group of girl mates. and some this is all generalizations and all that stuff. You know there's some women that are like have those conversations and have those chats or whatever. But I think like We're providing a service that like isn't as readily available to women in a way, which is quite's like I wasn't expecting it. We weren't targeting a demographic at all, but it was like exciting. Do you know the basement yard? you familiar? I do. Yeah, they're so funny. So Joe Santegado was there last week or something. and They did Madison Square Garden sold that out. ninety percent women Unbelievable isn't it I think it's probably a similar thing. It's the exact same thing. It's the exact same thing. And the sound when they walked out on stage, the screams were so loud that everyone's Apple watches went off, warning people that they were in an unsafe noise environment. like some fucking Harry Styles concert. Unbelievable And I think like that's probably a shame. like Like why women feel like they can't be stupid or silly or fun in that way, you know, they're like I guess they've been told they're supposed to be pumted up and like responsible, maybe, and man have more freedom to I think it. I definitely think when it comes to comedy podcasts, it's hard Most of them guy centric about guysy stuff and then begin to push into an amount of edginess Delects. for a lot of that female audience, right?, especially one of the more linear paths to pods. success or online content creator success is to start to skew right if you're going to do that sort of stuff. I think which again deselects for a lot of the women. and it's always going to get into some kind you orbit Mosphere, Manosphere, adjacentcy stuff, which I'm aware that you brought it up earlier on. I do need to clear my name. You're not in the monosphere. I'm not even fucking They hate me They hate me. Yeah, but I don't know You're closer than I am But I know That's really hard That's not large. I'm a little bit. With your female autis? I'm a low t female aut sort of with a little earring. I get called gay on the internet every day of my whole life. I don't know, it's funny likeike it's funny. Like you maybe You sit in a very interesting place, I think? Like you're not in the manisphere But I think to some people they would say you're like And I don't think you're guilty of any of that shit either. like the really problematic stuff But for some reason, like Maybe because you're like jacked like, is it just that you're like in really good shape and maybe talk about it Or like because there's a VN diagram of like talking about health and fitness and mindset and like those things, which does exist in a more problematic Male media landscape But I think you managed to sort of I don't know. And on kindind views, you like the narrowest end of the wedge? Correct. W the accusation I got after M and Bartlet went viral at the start of the year was that I'm the gateway drug to the manosphere that I'm the little pebble at the top of the avale. Well, yeah, you start off listening to Chris Williamson but before you know, you've pipelined your way into Nick Fuentz and Andrew Tates. Yeah. Dpite the fact that the day after the Louis Thux documentary came out I managed to unite feminists and the manosphere in agreement that the worst part of the Louis Thureux documentary was him coming on my podcast. That was what they were tweeting about the next day. It wasn't about the documentary, it was about me. Wh's like a full half AI Louis coming on? Yeah, Louis coming on my podcast got me every single mostost of the people who were in the documentary weren't tweeting about the documentary. They were tweeting about me platforming Louis Th W that that was that was unacceptable. but only a couple of months before When I'd been on Bartlet massage I got called the Lux Maxet, which actually think is kind of a compliment Uh All of the newspaper articles about that were right wing manness for misogynist. But then when I went and did Tucker Carlson's podcast, only a couple of months before that, I was accused of being riddled with blue pilled thinking and infected with feminist lies quote yesterday, literally yesterday on Twitter, the big reply that happened to like something I put up that was like some CS Lewis quote that I thought was really cool and cute and it like talks it's both sides of the fence about The Homemaker is the ultimate career and all other careers are just built to support that one. I was like, oh wow, this is really interesting because it's like both it's supportive, it's progressive, it's old, whatever the fuck. And someone was like more feminist bullshit. In fact I answered that fucking question Yesterday When you're going to admit that all that you do is spew the exact feminist lies that you that are creating the problems in the world, I'm like, I'm getting ideologically spit roasted because it's a difficult thing ' we I've had like TV producers come to mine and Mike stand up shows and be like you ever worry that your audience or the type of audience that might being in the manosphere or might like have some of those inell tendencies or might drift towards that Andro taate type of thing. And I'm like, that's really the opposite of a worry for me. 'causeuse if I 'cause if me and Mike can get a hold of them before Tant does thenen they're not going to become these sort of fucked up like misogynist, violent like abusive partners with these women because we make fun of those guys and We're softer and we're more open and like I think a nice thing that I tryed to emulate on our podcast, again, not super actively, but like Is you know Mortimer and White Host goone fishing and how like lovely they are to each other as like older men and theyre like to I love the way they say to' names Like how you going? How you doing Bob This is lovely Like there's someacy. Yeah, meal intimacy with like in a in a friendship that I think is represented on that. And these like TV people were like, oh, we're just not, you know, that's a bit of a worry for us. And I'm like someomeone has to talk to these people Someone has to talk to young m else you're abandoning that to all of the influences that you have the biggest concerns about. And it's hard to talk about like like young men feeling Abandonedough without feeling like you're heading towards that manosphere thing, but like I think that's why I find that benefit from the Jordan Peters and stuff. It was someone talking to me in a way that I could understand and how I can take up a positive space in the world. It wasn't patronizing. wasn't pushing you in a direction that you felt was unethical. And it wasn't telling me I was like a shit for being like a man You know? Yeah, I look, I u you're right. I think it is it is definitely an interesting whatever middle of the Venn diagram of talking about personal development, health and fitness and you know sex differences and challenges between the sexes and birth rates and stuff like that. because I think they're important issues, but it's The internet is really quick to patterent match And especially if you present yeah, maybe could like fucking hell, like, you know, someone could look a little bit fruity and you're like, mightbe maybe he might swing both ways. And then this is for might you know, he could be manosphere. But then also again, insufficiently masculine for the manosphere because the gay accusations come thick and fast Um But like them coming thick and first? Sorry H One of the things there's this great great article that I saw the other day about grind sllop So this is and I think This is something that I've been feeling for a while that one thousand Ui episode, one thousand one hundred or something It's like a lot, right? And much of that is me as a young man going I don't know what to do I don't know how to how to operate in the world. I'm confused about emotions and I sometimes I sometimes have self doubt and I I just sleep. I think I should sleep. I should probably sleep more and I should probably work out what I need to eat. and I'm going to find whoever I can get a hold of to understand that and understand myself and understand the world around me, especially is whatever late adolescent ons set Like whatever the opposite of precocious development is, I'm like in my twenties starting to understand me. Anna But there is There is a degree at least when I have the conversations where I'm like A lot of the eighty twenty of the development side of stuff. how to sleep well, what a productivity strategy looks like. This is how you should eat. This is how you should train. Th are you need friends in your life and all of these things. Like I think a lot of that has already been covered, if not by me then by other people One of the reasons that I've got this studio and we've got this big table and we're doing these episodes with lots of people is I get the sense in the age of AI that just raw information dumping is probably not more of what people need. It's probably not more of what I need. I certainly want to learn about things and there'll be progress to make, but given that Lots of that territory' already been covered by me and by other people And I think people are feeling more alone. and I know that I even I as somebody that's constantly around people have that sense too I' like, I want to listen. I just want to listen to Matt Shan I just want to like have a hang and like are I tuning to you guys. I tuning to like Jacob and Jake and just listen to them talk bullshit. I just want to listen to them talk bullshit. And that's something that I'm Dively sort of nudging the show in that direction and I'm going to lose big chunk of the audience from doing that to because once a week once every couple of weeks, it's me and my friends sat around talking about whatever the fuck has happened. Yeah And having that degree of male intimacy and just having a hang in not like it doesn't feel like homework. and when you've left, you go, did I learn anything I had a nice time Yeah. had a nice time. Yeah. And that's it's just like an interesting pivot and that's kind of where I'm feeling at the moment that the grind slop like work until your eyes bleed thing. I don't efinitely been through that era, but I don't think that more of that is necessarily needed. So anyway, I don't even know I'm saying. There's a lot of funny parodies of the sort of grind slop is was his nameam Doug Baldwin with the tiny little sunglasses He was sat in that seat yesterday. Y Pissed. all call the police. That's me on the floor. So funny. Some of the bits that we did yesterday are fucking unbelievable. He is so funny. You know him and Timmy Nobaks partners in a lot of things. Oh, great. Okaykay, cool. Yeah.ool Yeah I think he's the funniest guy. They make me. He was here yesterday. That's so funny. Yeah, it was great. So But yeah, exactly, exactly that And u I have a little hope for AI a little white though like that it'll P put a premium on like live experiences And music gigs, people buy tickets for them and stand upp gigs, people buy tickets for them because you can't trust anything that's on your phone anymore Yeah 'causeuse it's like what like Even watching the Winter Olympics, I was like, is this I don't think the I don't think Trump competed. Like, you know what Yeahah likeike There's just something about it where you go like it makes me the phone is slightly giving me the eck at the minute because it's like I can't quite trust it And I just go, It already was. no one was already that much of a fan of it And no, but it's just like even the silly fun videos likeike, you know Like like this propaganda C Vos, But like cat videos were like what the internet was sort of built on And c you don't know if it's a cat or if it's just some AI thing So it's I think being in the real world might come back in fashion? I think so too. I mean, nightclubes aren't, nightclubs are dying in death Right, whichich was my old industry for a long time I think it's an One nightclub a week closing down in the UK at the moment. There's not that many to be able to go through. I'm aware in the US, it' be a fucking rounding error on the number of nightclubes. You can't get away with that many and most of them were already a bit shit.ike, you know what it is It's when flares closes down. That's when you know that there's a real issue. Okay That's their patient zero for like they're the overton window for nightlife. They've weathered a lot of storms. They do they have, indeed. Yeahah with their light up dance floor And spepeaking of that, what's the most Belfast way that anyone's ever threatened you threatened me. I mean, there's like fun, like there's a thing that's happened twice now on the tour And this doesn't feel like a threat, but it does a little bit There's a bit in the show where I ask if anyone's from where I'm from. And I talk about and the joke is about the naming conventions of like some people don't say Northern Ireland because they don't agree with the fact that it exists Some people say the North of Ireland because they think Ireland should be one whole big thing and that's like a big iv where Catholics were called the North of Ireland, Protestans were called it Northern Ireland. That's ty thing. So I have jokes about that. And in those jokes I go, all notice I haven't named where I'm from because in the first tunk of the show, I don't name where I'm from I say Balfast, but I don't name Northern Iland there's a place And I say, Oh have you noticed that I haven't named it And it happened inewcastle upon T time and happened in Philadelphia I know It was last night in Nashville happened in Nashville, Newcastle where somebody shouted out The word trench which is the street my dad grew up on in West Belfast. which doesn't on the face of its gream threat, but it's a bit like Hm That's intense How did they know that Their family knows my family and in a show that's maybe a little bit contentious about Northern Ireland stuff It's just a bit like Okay, noted. loaded. wasas the threat scarier in Newcastle or Nashville I was in Newcastle, that felt a bit more connected to the whole thing. U but it feels like I was reading London Falling, Patrick Graden Kafe's new book. you know Patr Graden Kfe? He wrote Say Nothing U should readat say nothing I think you' read that I hand. U no. shhut the fuck up. A And in it, he was talking about when he was like interviewing gangsters people were like around this murder that the book's about. And they would always mention like his kids' names and his like dog's names. It's just a little flex. We know where you're from. We know who you are. I know exactly Where youre from in New York? French. fucking hell. Dad I was thinking it was gonna be some fun jovial little like strange and in fact, it's actually a private investigator. guy who knows something deep and dark about. But whereere's Belfast' so small? Like, I'm not from Wheresbel That's where my dad is.ight but like It's a small not hard. everoney. Paddy Gallowway, good friend of mine. He There's something about the entirety of Ireland That seems diplomatic enough to say, the entirety of The island of Ireland. The island of Ireland diplomatic Okay. Well so people are trying to spit all new names for the concept of the British Isles because that claims overship of Ireland by Britain. Okay. So you can't call them the British Islandles. I think somebody said what if we called it the East Caribbean Uh, Zati Paty every single person I know that's from the island of Ireland has a story where there's some sort of family drama feud thing that goes all the way back, despite the fact that England is just as old and Scotland is just as old I don't hear, I don't know anyone that's in the in England that's got that same kind of heritage my family and their family and this thing and the farm next door. It just, I don't know, there seems to be way more ossification. Do you think it's just rurality of like like agricultural communities probably do Like they're more embedded in their communities and they rely on each other in their communities. You feel less cosmopolitan you're moving and groving around. Yeah. And that's like a sad thing about living in a city. but I try to like be connected in a city. It's like a nice thing to try and build a community living in North London like What's the community of Northnderonight? Jewish. The there's a lady who lives in my block of flats Wh's this old Italian lady And she feeds the foxes So you'll just see you' in the bushes every day. throwing check in T foxes and if she sees one of the foxes has like mange U She'll phone a Fox charity, get medicine delivered her in the chair. She's a fox lady G give to the fox. She looks after the foxes. And it means there's a real fox problem which is increasing our block of flats because They're very well looked after by this little Italian lady And u And but every so often she needs help standing a ws up. So she comes up and knocks on the door Andullally integrated. So it's like n I try to build that stuff and like I think it's really important and like I'm not even doing nearly enough of it. as I should, but like I think it's a really important part of life that's like Not easily fixable because it's really scary to just like say hello to somebody like on the street or your neighbor or whatever. But like it is It's nice to be needed. It's nice that person's got something that they need you for. Yeah because the worst thing would be everybody else is a Solo prererenur, digital nomad, D genen just WhatsApp in their way through their day and you go, none of us need Any of us? Yeah all Yeah. That's not fun. What what do you think is something that Italian families do that British people would consider psychological warfare. psychological warfare. I mean, it's maybe so have you heard like, so Santa has become global, but it wasn't always global like Santa Claus? Okay. L, you know, there was like a weird German one called like the Is it the Kampus or something? who like eights kids if they're in all day, likeike that's instead of like a lump of coal, likeike you just get eaten by a sort of weird goblin Rverse Santa Claus. Yeah. But I think you do get nice stuff if you're good or maybe you just avoid being eaten Our version is I think of Labifana. and I think I fucked this up, but this is what I was told where when the wise men were looking to find Jesus, they were knocking on all the doors. in Bethleem because like they look for under a star But like that's not a good It's hardly Google Maps, you know what I mean? They they had the vag area that they were supposed to be in, but couldn't find them. So they were knking doors was going, Oh, we're looking for the Son of God who's to be born. orr like, who's just been bor And u We're trying to find him And basically this old lady who's like sort of an old witch type character just tells them to fuck off. But then when they leave, she feels bad and she's like, God if that is like if that is the son of God, like that's a pretty terrible thing that I've done not to help these guys. sort of bestow gifts upon him So what she does. to cover a basis, she was like, I need to give a gift to the newlyborn son of God But she obviously didn't know where it was. Soould she give gifts to all the children? in the whole area in the hope that One of those would be the newly born Son of God. So N Ba fast growing up We would go like a community hall with a bunch of castle and samwages and all this stuff and like have a fun day. and then we would all sit down. and l an old lady dressed as a witch would come in and give us all presents It's not fucking mad. Is that was that traumatic? as a nervous, slightly panicky? child. No, I think I was scared by weird things. Labifana, the witch was absolutely fine. Andm it's the, uh Whats is and I remember I went to Disney World when I was a child. terrified of the little mermaid B into tears. of the mermaid herself or Ursa L know the mermaid herself, like the lady, like the actress or whatever The struggling actress who's playing the Little Merment at Disney Wor eight hours a day. Yeah, sweat and like a wig And I think I was just like really freak out the should't have le You're overwhelmed by the fish lady. Yeah, it was just all a bit much for me Yeah I remember I went I went there as well. and what was that What was the elevator? You're gonna to do the same thing? I'm terrified of saying the sentence with the name of the thing in it. the elevator that went up and down and that was the ride Do you remember this? of terror. I' gl that it wasn't the toowerer that was terrified You'ine. I remember I went on that and someone's thing came loose as they fell And there was all of this Hub There was a big, I mean, that's, you know you said if you die in a plane, there's going to be paperwork. I think there was a lot of paperwork. Well I haven't really done roller coasters since was it Alton Tars where somebody lost their leg? On Nemesis. Didn't that happen toight. Can you chat yourPT How many people injured on Nemesis Alton toowers. The Smiler, Yes, sixteen people. The smmiler. That seems tough name. That seems ironic. Tough name crrashed the engured sixteen. F What was just say, what was the one where someone lost their leg Like I think it was all and Tres, but I truly haven't been on a roller coaster since and I don't know It's just like obviously you know that's a possibility, but you sort of think I'll be all right, justs check all this FTL news things o'sinking the smileer A traveling phone fare yeah Fuck me Lg amputations two people They must have got crazy money. five million. It doesn't really matter. you've lost a leg How much feel like My leg. Yeah tough conndundum isn't it? I really like my leg Both of them equally If you had to lose one, which r would you lose That's Oh, that's weird becauseuse you know the way you like you have your kicking foot But then you like you jump off the other one Oh no, which do I prefer? kicking or dumping I don't think I would be doing much jumping as like a one legged guy. So how much kicking would you be doing Loads, I think You're mostly kicking crutch bang. I think, yeah, I think I would keep my right leg and trained for the Paralmpics as a one legged football guy I think I'd keep my right leg as well. I think that's the important one. I don't know I've been thinking about A left handed by any chance? No, because that sometimes happens right with I think autistic people have got really swpped the As in your right footed and left handed? No that there's a disproportionate number of people who are autistic that arere also left handed Wow, I think Let's Google this one. I'm worried about whatever it is, water usage or whatever it is that you're concerned about Uh, And my left hand is essentially for show It doesn't do anything. Well, I had a luck because when I was a precussionist. Right A lot of the focus of that sort of training just bringing the other hand to the quality of the get theres to stop being so fucking useless and do nearly what you do do. is like basically the whole thing. H Wow What's? What the fuck is that word? Echocho echolish Echal Echalia. Ecalalia That's when you sort of repeat words. It's sort of like audiological stems or repeat words or noises to some of the repeat words or noises Yeah And then Yeah, yeah and they just sort of like get stuck in a loop. I get that sometimes My girlfriend, I go, Hey What was the last time that that happened? I just got like if I like the way a word sounds, either that I've said or somebody else has said or like in a song, I'll just be like in the go in the go, in the go in the go in the go in the go in go and the And she goes that, Voro Angeloni, ladies and gentlemen. Thankk you so much for having me. This is this is This was really good fun. You were about to say actually. No Yes you were? No, Yes you was. I was gonna say this was ly. Why should people go to check out everything you do? Theoria Ans only on Instagram. I'm a touring standup comedy. I don't know when this comes out, but I've got two specials on YouTube And that's probably the best place. I always think like it's crazy after a podcast to be like, buuy a ticket to see me Watch my shows on YouTube. seeee if you like that and end Buy a ticket if you foundan it. you. Appreciate you man. All right. until next time, everyone. Bly, dude A of fun. suuper fun. When I first started doing personal growth, I really wanted to read the best books, the most impactful ones, the most entertaining ones, the ones that were the easiest to read and the most dense and interesting